is plastic surgery 'feminist'? (spoiler - no, it isn't)

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time stamps:
00:00 - intro
03:20 - how the climate around plastic surgery has changed
08:04 - beauty standards - patriarchy, racism & capitalism
17:48 - is plastic surgery feminist?
videos mentioned:
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Khadija Mbowe - Race-baiting, queer-baiting, colorism, featurism, and performative diversity - • Race-baiting, queer-ba...
Madisyn Brown - tik tok's obsession with beauty confirmation (inverted filter, long face, etc) - • tik tok's obsession wi...
Madisyn Brown - the truth about beauty standards, plastic surgery, and IG face - • the truth about beauty...
Salem Tovar - The Beauty Community: Racism and Toxicity | An analysis - • The Beauty Community: ...
Tara Mooknee - the weird side of beauty instagram - • the weird side of beau...
sources:
Is Teenage Plastic Surgery a Feminist Act? - www.harpersbazaar.com/culture...
How White Supremacy and Capitalism Influence Beauty Standards - www.teenvogue.com/story/stand...
An Enquiry Into Internalised Male Gaze: Whose Camera Is It Anyway? - feminisminindia.com/2020/10/1...
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Save 33% on your first Native Deodorant Pack - normally $36, you’ll get it for $24! Click here bit.ly/nativejordantheresa and use my code JORDANTHERESA #AD time stamps: 00:00 - intro 03:20 - how the climate around plastic surgery has changed 08:04 - beauty standards - patriarchy, racism & capitalism 17:48 - is plastic surgery feminist? i hope you all enjoy this video!

[@nazare334]

skadamoosh skadamoosh do the skadamoosh

[@suncoastsolarpunk3222]

Lol I think being a huge fan of Dr Miami / other surgery Drs in high school really contributed to my ED and dysmorphia 😥

[@ennealv]

guys, this is all wrong! feminism is a political movement and showing the standard body does not contribute to women's rights and still delivers exactly what patriarchy wants: women exposed to a male gaze. I don't believe that any exposure / sexualization of the female body is feminism. it may have to do with self-esteem, it may be a personal milestone, it may be acceptance, but feminism is collective. it is to defend the legalization of abortion, it is to fight to have more women in politics, in corporate leadership, in the courts, in decisive positions in the media. it's pushing for laws that protect us, it's fighting for rape and sexual harassment to stop harassing women, etc. Why do successful women show their bodies and successful men don't? Because they don't have to.

[@cosmiccrush22]

10:49 thank you for recommending other women of colour on your platform, just women in general, I appreciated that as I'm sure they will too.

[@jaylahneal2364]

P.

[@CryFry]

Women shouldn’t be shamed if they get Plastic Surgery, but acting like it’s some kind of feminist movement is just sick

[@olenabogdanov]

I can kind of see your point. It's like guys who spend 5 days a week in the gym to appeal to women. Sure they look great, but at the end of the day, it's not all that matters, everyone knows that it's not all that matters. Sure, plastic surgery can make someone look appealing - but at the end of the day, it should never be the thing that is so praised and glorified and reacted so intensely to. There's a lot more to a woman than her body and face, and that expectation of seeing, hearing, and demanding excellence from the mind and soul first and foremost - for both men and women - should be the standard.

[@iwatchtoomuchyoutube]

@@olenabogdanov I mean, going to the gym is healthy though. Nothing about plastic surgery is "healthy" (for the average, able bodied person). The gym can be bad to extreme excess, but compared with people slicing into themselves or poking their bodies I'd say it's a positive alternative and there's nothing wrong with wanting to look good for the opposite sex, or go just to feel good. I get where your coming from but the gym can help as a form of "mindfulness" or "self-care" for the average person which can benefit them as a whole, whereas if you get surgery you're risking a laundry list of side effects, including addiction to pain pills and death.

[@aesyamazeli8804]

@@iwatchtoomuchyoutube gyms are full of PED so as long as you don't get sucked in that it's ok

[@summer-xt1gg]

@@iwatchtoomuchyoutube many studies show that going to the gym isn’t healthy. It is associated with unhealthy body image, disordered eating, poor mental health, etc. Exercise is healthy; dry scooping pre workout and hyper-focusing on muscules and calories isn’t.

[@monbub]

It shouldn't be encouraged. It's not a good decision. Plus, you'll never get your face back after you change it permanently. It makes me so upset.

[@2nnawrap]

so much of the ‘feminism’ of today boils down to: “i’m a woman and i’m making a choice, therefore that choice must be feminist.”

[@darlalathan6143]

I like it! It sounds easier than giving up cosmetics, men, and media for an abstract political ideal. Of course, protesting sexism is more direct!

[@anitajones8706]

For liberal feminism, it is. Come to radical feminism and you’ll see that we’ve have been saying this for years, libfems are just now catching up

[@evasalazar325]

Depends on what the woman's intentions are by making the choice I guess, maybe lo personal es lo político? It's up to each one of us and that's valid too :)

[@yifei8439]

this

[@user-sw4ym8qn4l]

amen

[@MrsPervy]

you dont have to "like" your nose. this whole "bodypositivity" thing can be a bit draining sometimes. how about bodyneutrality? you can just acknowledge your nose as what it is, not a beauty accesoir but a functional body part that does its job and keeps you alive for the most part

[@iambeezus7886]

This!

[@chasebarber10]

Right like we shouldn't pressure ourselves to 100% love every part of our body. The goal is to end that self hatred and accept yourself for who you are whether something is pretty or not to you on you.

[@j7055]

Exactly! A nice nose/body in general is a body that’s attached to a nice person. That’s it.

[@hitonyyy3943]

this!! we need to stop putting so much value on beauty. if youre ugly to some, who cares. move the focus from being obsessed with your looks to being obsessed with your amazing qualities

[@twistedmind3323]

Yes! Plus I think in a funny way, when you allow yourself to feel blah or neutral with your body, you can relax and enjoy it for what it is instead of feeling pressure to make it something it isn't.

[@CatfishMili]

I’ve been thinking how women are “free to choose” what they do with their bodies when they’re ENHANCING them to fit standards/expectations (plastic surgery, skimpy clothing) but not for choices that give them freedom/power (abortion, birth control)

[@aisling8308]

This is such an important point!

[@biancasadventure]

Yes

[@kaleidoscopickait]

Oh my god you are so right and it’s terrifying

[@slamzam]

True

[@hellobecky84]

that's a word, yes!

[@lauraxx8014]

the beauty industry is best summed up by: we’re going to create a problem and sell you the solution

[@michelleannor6944]

Because society sees women's main attribute as her looks, not her personality, achievements, or intelligence.

[@Glaiket]

That’s capitalism overall

[@bubeudeh]

^

[@dani-888]

YUP

[@futuristiccat5636]

Capitalism.

[@ashb7525]

I hate how much the word “empowerment” has been completely bastardised in a lot of choice fem discourse. Empowerment means to give someone power, not something that makes you feel good. I think this perspective also lacks analysis of WHY it makes us feel good in the first place. Why do we feel better the more we conform? Ultimately, conforming = prettier = treated nicer.

[@pretty948]

Exactly I hate that abiding by the rules of patriarchy has come to be considered feminist 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@hifellowhumans8393]

@@pretty948 my sentiments exactly

[@sandrae2398]

period!!!!!!! people never want to analyze how we are raised and socialized etc or even consider why we feel the way we do and like you said WHY something like this makes us feel good

[@mmmmyeah1849]

@@pretty948 patriarchy is definitely a cunning system which develops rapidly and can confuse even most aligning feminist

[@ashb7525]

@not relevant whats an example of this? since the whole point of plastic surgery is to make you fit these standards.

[@khaleesi_cosima]

If the women who “chose” to get plastic surgery had never suffered the constant bombardment of beauty standards, would they ever had “chosen” to get plastic surgery at all? Is it really a choice if the reason you do it is because society makes you feel like your natural self is inadequate, therefore making you unworthy of respect?

[@weedgoblinz]

Yeesss 👏🏻 Same thing with shaving

[@solveig964]

I mean I chose to get plastic surgery because my large breasts were lowering my quality of life That had absolutely nothing to do with beauty standards

[@rachelhansen2417]

There are some procedures for the nose that heighten quality of life by making breathing much easier, such as in individuals who have a deviated septum.

[@pamelab.f.1659]

Not all the women who chose to get plastic feels unworthy You may recognize a part of your face or body doesnt fit without feel you're unworthy, or even ugly, and if you can chage that, so change that...And not every woman who chose to get a plastic surgery want to fit in a Beauty standard...One example is a woman who has a disproportionally Big or small nose to her face...she may not want a Barbie nose, just a nose that fits better her face, and it's okay...It's okay to wanna look better, it's okay to wanna feel better with your body image, reminding You're worthy, with or without a "perfect" body

[@weedgoblinz]

@@pamelab.f.1659 But like even then.. She'd want to change her nose to 'be more attractive' and also insecurities and beauty standards are often deeply rooted, so some people won't even notice that they are affected by them

[@aisling8308]

If plastic surgery was truly feminist and empowering, women would also be getting ""ugly"" proceedures, rather than just trying to better fit into the beauty standards set by the male gaze.

[@abigailh7715]

💯 Period!

[@CorrinaMusic]

fuck yes.

[@bichen-up-ur]

I think one procedure that is quite feminists is breast reduction surgery. Some people are just born with bigger boobs and they've experienced the cons of it. Or they just plain hate having boobs. I've seen a tiktok video of a girl getting it using the sound "she ain't like her titiess fuck it get her new boobs". The comments from the men under that video...they think everything is about them.

[@h.f6364]

@@bichen-up-ur brs isnt feminist, nor is any plastic surgery. if someone wants to have plastic surgery then thats their choice (obv they should want it for themselves, and not for beauty standards), but not everything women choose to do is feminist or feminism

[@monbub]

so true bestie

[@Mariana-jb4pn]

We aren’t born with a beauty standard in our heads, we aren’t born thinking we’re ugly or that certain features are ugly, so if you are getting surgery to feel “prettier” it’s probably going to be the definition of pretty according to the standard.

[@riankagill]

!!!!!!!!!!! and a standard that constantly changes

[@water594]

True but not all feelings are implanted from without, they can also grow from within over time. Aka you're not born thinking them but they appear naturally. Tho I agree an "ugly" vs "pretty" dynamic is pretty much purely beauty standards.

[@freethegays]

@@water594 But "appear naturally" is influence from society.

[@water594]

@@freethegays Well yes... ish. There may not be a clear line where internal and external influences can be differentiated and perhaps internal influences must be lensed through the ability to enact them that society provides but likewise societal influences are warped by how they are internalised by the individual and their personality. We are not empty glasses but trees, we may be swept by the wind but our growth can be our own none the less.

[@sapphic.flower]

@@water594 I think it's worth acknowledging that even though all of us have our own concept of what makes us look ugly or attractive, there is a societal standard that has been conditioned into us before we could even grasp it (ie, barbie dolls, the actresses in your favourite shows being conventionally attractive and the non conventionally attractive characters are made fun of, subliminal marketing, etc). I don't think we as individuals are soley responsible for how we percieve beauty when marketing and media are the ones that have been defining it.

[@chanelghostin6060]

the majority of plastic surgeons r male whereas the majority of plastic surgery customers r female so i don’t understand how males profiting off of women’s insecurities would ever be considered “feminist”. let women have a choice and don’t bash the ones that get plastic surgery but it’s not a feminist thing to normalize altering ur body to appeal to men cause most women get plastic surgery to appeal to the male gaze 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@riankagill]

i legit only noticed this yesterday !! it gave me the same energy as cis men being gynaecologists

[@kristinab9965]

This is such an important point!

[@TheBeadlesForever]

I agree with this so much! but also ¿ I have literally never seen someone claim that plastic surgery is feminist, has someone said this recently or something? I keep seeing people on tiktok be like “stop saying plastic surgery is feminist!!” But literally have not seen one person claim that it was lol

[@raquelnavarrete776]

@@TheBeadlesForever ive seen people that have gotten work done or people who work in sex work and alter they’re bodies for their work say that these surgeries are form of feminism

[@TheBeadlesForever]

@@raquelnavarrete776 wow I have literally never ever seen someone claim that

[@gracieforster7274]

Something else I’d like to add is that all of this is wrapped up in the idea that women are only worth something if we’re attractive and appealing to men. I’m sick of hearing things like ‘everyone is beautiful! don’t get plastic surgery you’re already pretty!’. Why should my worth be based on my appearance? What about my hobbies, interests, skills, relationships? Removing this idea of attractiveness = worth will be the hardest thing that women will have to do if we want to escape the patriarchy and capitalism

[@domtekos7761]

I think it needs to truly come from the individual to realise this thing and then to do their best to try and teach the younger generation that path is a trap and not the right way by focusing more on the mind and a person for their skills and passions and not merely their body and reducing it down to fragments and parts. Sadly a lot of this cycle is upheld my women no matter where it originates from and I think women need to accept their share of responsibility of this face and own it before it changes.

[@arcane1282]

Okay you’re 100% right. I love this comment and subscribed to you. I totally agree, instead of trying to make all bodies accepted or all types of features accepted, why aren’t women accepted as human beings first? With rights to an education, healthcare, career, jobs, intelligence, personality, etc...)

[@gracieforster7274]

@@arcane1282 thank you - and exactly. The depth of the issue is huge, where almost all ‘body positivity’ revolves around the idea that women should still be attractive in some way, if they want to be deemed worthy. And the thing is, it’s not the type of perceived worth that men experience - it’s an exclusive type of worth for women, where it only relates to how well we serve others and how we sacrifice our time and efforts, where men can be unattractive, unsuccessful, untalented, misogynistic, racist and stupid, and still be seen as worthy human beings whereas women are not - unless they serve as useful to others (mainly men and their wants and desires). It’s more than dehumanisation, it’s terrifying

[@Rickuo]

You will never escape patriarchy and capitalism because the internationalist corporatist banker elite controlls the same politicians, university professors and acivists who espouse these ideas you have been coerced into. It's called "controlled opposition". And in the West there is no such thing as patriarchy, since men choose in favor of ending it decades ago.

[@ham-sley1308]

YES BICH YES SAY IT LOUDER I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARSSSS!!!

[@Collorious]

I cannot recall where I read this quote, but it stuck with me: “We live in a society that pressures women to be beautiful but criticizes women for putting effort into it.” We’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t.

[@emilyanne9513]

We’re supposed to all be naturally beautiful (as defined by male standards) and do nothing to achieve that standard. It’s impossible and utterly unattainable. So many men complain about us wearing makeup as being “fake” or “deceptive” - yet those same men will reject us as not attractive enough without it. We are supposed to have perfect boobs but if we get surgery for it, that doesn’t count, and we are the ones judged as shallow, not those who have the power to set our societal value. As you say, damned if we do, damned if we don’t.

[@Ivanabelle]

"I think we need to differentiate between empowering all women vs. empowering yourself" omd 1000x yes

[@cyagami90]

@@jellyrolls1475 no ones trying to take it away shes merely stating it isnt inherently feminist to shatter your face for looks based on beauty standards. If its good for you thats amazing but im not gonna sit here and call it feminist bc the reality is that its not empowering or helpful for all women. Sorry but its not. I will never judge women who want work done but adhering to the beauty standard only keeps it in place and that isnt feminist especially for women of colour.

[@cyagami90]

@@jellyrolls1475 especially because the current beauty standard is black and asian features on white women but arent celebrated on the races they were stolen from. Thats white feminism sure but not intersectional feminism.

[@user-is9iv9pk5c]

@@jellyrolls1475 like it was said in the video, any woman has a right to do anything she wants to do with her body and it’s terrible that the society often judges women for getting it done. and it doesn’t make you any less of a feminist if you do it *but* saying that getting surgery done is feminist is wrong

[@annabellechapman795]

@@jellyrolls1475 this video: plastic surgery isn’t feminist nor does it empower women as a whole and that’s okay you: so you want to take away women’s bodily autonomy?

[@thatsdisco]

she hit the nail on the head there

[@reabetswebotlholo3057]

"the kardashians line their pockets with young women's insecurities" EXACTLY, TELL EM JORDAN !!!! 🗣🗣

[@michelleannor6944]

But why do females look up to them? All they are there for is their looks. Men look up to people who achieve things eg sports stars, rappers, scientists etc.

[@warm_lettuce473]

@@michelleannor6944 Firstly, not all women (or those of the female gender) look up to the Kardashians most including me carry a strong dislike for what they promote. People who actually follow them are either bored or insecure most just don't care.

[@warm_lettuce473]

@@michelleannor6944 And tons of females look up to achievers and people that matter don't generalize.

[@michelleannor6944]

@@warm_lettuce473 More men look up to achievers than women look up to achievers. More young women look up to Kardashians than to female scientists, multi national CEOs, sports stars etc. Hence why Kim is worth $1b from being a professional bimbo * business woman * but there's no male equivalent of Kim. How many women watch female sports stars? Kim Kardashian is the most famous business woman. Says it all really.

[@warm_lettuce473]

@@michelleannor6944 you have a point, but remember out of all who follow kim there are those of us who don't. There are women who exist who actually want to move the world forward.

[@elenaheinisch2461]

internalized male gaze is so interesting from a lesbian perspective. like, when I dress up and wear make up I do it for a change of pace (cuz i rarely wear make up) and maybe so my gf will call me hot, but then instantly as soon as I leave the house I am BOMBARDED with male attention and it makes me wanna rip my hair off. but then, if I'm in a club and guys chat up to me and want my number it's flattering, though weird? and with lesbian representation nowadays, I feel like there isn't a single lesbian/WLW character on screen that isn't hardcore catering to the male gaze.

[@hoshikuzutime]

no bc i don’t like men AND I STILL HAVE INTERNALIZED MALE GAZE!!! i hate it here so much

[@viridityforever]

I think in fear street Sam and Deenas relationship is quite good for a lesbian relationship as it shows how Sam is judged by her mum for dating a girl n when she moves n dates a guy even tho she doesn’t like him it shows how she did it to make herself appear ‘straight’ to please her mum but in the end she’s w Deena :)

[@starchannel123]

Humans want to feel accepted and the most difficult people to convince is men because they have higher critiques

[@k-aw-teksleepysageuni8181]

So you're lesbian girlfriend has a "male gaze"? *gasp*.... Can we just admit that bodies are beautiful? If someone wants to enhance, reduce, or change a feature that is their choice? (But it should be an informed and healthy one , as in, peace of mind, no pressure.) Women can be horny too? Women can also have sexual desires/fantasies and thus potential preferences in body shape/size? It's not all "the male gaze."'s fault... 👁 Is a lot of our perception of beauty influenced by what we see daily in this capitalist society? Definitely. Are most of those "influences" coming from the 'majority population' in North America, and Europe (historically christian denomination-white people) AND mostly men (who dominate businesses corporate/marketing world)? Absolutely. So essentially, we need to rip the system, or get new people in charge and that's exactly what's been happening over the last 2 decades. (and we need more of.) As of now, people of color now make up around 50%+ of advertising.(At least in Canada, which is still 70%+ white) So for Gen Z who's grown up with it, the signals are there. It's time....But it's all been tainted by the way the corporations do it as pure PR stunting, just like companies and pride month. The rich, white CEO's hire a few extra africans/asian americans, and solution solved. They think they solved all of the wests issues... racism, poverty, body issues..... There's a lot of false idol/ideals...

[@k-aw-teksleepysageuni8181]

@@starchannel123 Kinda hypocritical to say "Humans want to feel accepted..." then immediately take a jab at half of them...."the most difficult people to convince is men because they have higher critiques." What does having a high critique have to do with convincing people anything? People SHOULD be encouraged to critique ideas and philosophize about outcomes, and alternatives. It's called critical thinking. Also...Have you ever tried to talk your gf out of a fancy food craving? Or even been paying attention to this channel? Women can have high critiques too. It's a good thing....

[@entertain7us148]

not every single choice a woman makes is automatically empowering or feminist. even the choices that make her feel good. feminism isn't about individual women feeling happy, it's about collective liberation. getting plastic surgery to make yourself happy is 100% ok, and shouldn't be judged or shamed. just don't pretend like it's feminist, because that buys into the corporate co-opting of liberationist movements that completely cheapen what those movements actually stand for.

[@thatsdisco]

this this this!

[@JustA.witch.]

🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@maza1234]

Yes !

[@justinaacuriouswanderer1496]

Okay so 🎆💜PART 1 OF MY COMMENT: thank you, thank you, thank you for sharing this. My experience was that my breasts hurt whenever I started running (they're normal), so I started doing research on the origin of human female breasts because human females, unlike all other 5000 mammals, carry permanently enlarged breasts (meaning breasts with excess fat) that no other female mammal has to carry. I wondered why. And if that's changeable. Okay so let's start to what my research showed. From the Psychology Today Article, "Why Women Spend So Much Effort on Their Appearance": "The greater importance of physical appearance for women's mate value is confirmed by the fact that their bodies have been more extensively ➡remodeled⬅ by sexual selection than is true of men. Sexually selected feminine traits include narrow waists, permanently enlarged breasts, shorter faces, smaller hands and feet, and conspicuous subcutaneous fat stores. Men are sexually selected for height, muscularity, and beardedness." . . So, women weren't created weak by some deity who decided to relegate and curse them. Women BECAME physically weaker based on how they were sexually selected (by their selectors, namely, ancient males) across centuries and eons. This means that the way we look like is malleable and not permanent or an end-all-be-all arrangement (evolutionarily) and that we can be free to genetically and physically build our own fit and capable body. . . But till now, it's as if our bodies were merely an experiment of sexual selection. A project that they shape, reshape, mutate, correct, and mutilate according to their whims and caprices. But I refuse to be a project. I refuse to live and spend thousands and suffer silently for unnatural (and MONETIZED) beauty. For whom should I suffer so much? For whom should I lose my humanity? I refuse to stay blind to this very insidious and long-drawn-out form of violence. I refuse to bow to the god of monetized beauty. I refuse to stand by as my sisters suffer. And I refuse to be ashamed of my strength and dignity. I refuse to be a coward. . . As of 2011- breast augmentation remains 2nd most practiced surgical cosmetic procedure worldwide sitting at 18.9% of all cosmetic surgical procedures. (currently the first) Hegemonic gendered expectations of femininity in neoliberal-capitalist patriarchal society constitute a symbolic violence that entices women to undergo breast implantation. Breast implantation itself constitutes the visible violent BY-PRODUCT of this SYMBOLIC violence, affecting women’s physical and mental/emotional well-being. This violence is both undertaken and further exacerbated by the medico-legal complex. . . We (cis and trans women) are STILL being confined in a prison. A falsely beautified one, but a prison nonetheless. Maybe worse and way more insidious than the one that historically preceded it. . . The Policing Gaze (of society):  First: The male gaze of patriarchal/androcentric culture → Internalization of socially constructed ideal feminine body → Policing of the self and others.  Leading to second: Technologies of the self to attempt to approximate ideal feminine body → Alienation.  Leading to third: Reinforcement of subordination. Let's start with a little bit of history (on how our bodies became the way they are): Out of all 5000 mammals, human females are the only mammals that carry permanently enlarged breasts (made up of fat and based on how women were sexually selected across centuries). According to the Independent Magazine UK, Lewis Wolpert: Over the course of evolution, breasts became permanently enlarged to resemble the double ovoid region of the distended buttocks. (to remind males of the buttocks, and to probably remind females that they are nothing but sexual objects. It sounds as if we're a walking pair of buttocks?). . Naturally large breasts are BOUND to sag. It's inevitable. That's why they're still unsatisfactory to the male gaze. They need to be surgically or mechanically lifted to resemble buttocks. (keep in mind that breasts are made up of fat). Couple that with anorexic arms. Having completely anorexic/underfed arms with overfed breasts is physiologically impossible. It is impossible to be anorexic and obese simultaneously. Whether you're a man or a woman. (not to mention how dehumanizing it is for someone to feel like they have to have starved, weak arms and also carry a huge weight on their chests to give someone else pleasure. Because the size of one's arms is a symbol of their agency. Keep in mind that Christian slaves were forced to permanently carry huge chain crosses of 11 pounds (5 kg) on their shoulders. Keep this in mind till the end.) . . According to Insider and the Guardian ( www.theguardian.com/.../may/14/breast-size-evolution ), if ancestral males had not shown a preference for the mutation producing permanently enlarged breasts, modern women's chests would resemble the flat thoraxes of the other apes and only enlarge when they're pregnant. (Oh, did you read that? Yup, it's a mutation.) Today, plastic surgery is used by some women, particularly those working in the sex industry, to enhance breast size and exploit ancient male programming. . . From the point of view of another mammal, having permanently enlarged breasts is like being half-pregnant your entire life. . . Even though they appear full, a woman's breasts are made up of fat. The milk glands proliferate from the nipples internally and don't require any fat or weight carried to exist. Breasts with less fat produce just as much milk compared to their heavy counterparts. In fact, breast fat (or the excess of it) impedes the gene that initiates lactogenesis (lactation) according to the International Consortium of Milk Genomics. Yet, that's what we're encouraged to do. And in turn, such lower rates of milk production discourage many women from breastfeeding and compel them to rely on Capitalistic industrialized formulas, but actually refraining from breastfeeding amplifies the risk of breast cancer for the mother (while also hurting the child). This means that when it comes to breasts, quality matters more than quantity. . . On a different note, there's also a conflict of interest here between the man (who wants breast fat or silicon, even if the breasts lost their self-sufficient function) and the child (who needs milk). . But again, you don't breastfeed with your breast fat, but only with your milk glands. We're encouraged to obsess over breast fat, instead of seeking healthy milk glands and aerolae and understanding whether our breasts are actually healthy. . . Disturbingly, breast fat reduction reduced breast cancer risk by a staggering 95% according to Business Insider, which means that excessive breast fat was the culprit. This is further verified by breast cancer rates. In 2020, about 2.3 million women were diagnosed with breast cancer worldwide. Every 14 seconds, somewhere in the world, a woman is diagnosed with breast cancer. In the US alone, in 2020, 325,010 women were diagnosed with breast cancer as opposed to only 2,620 men even though men and women have the SAME exact breast tissue. Men only have a smaller layer of breast fat. Couple that with the fact breast fat reduction reduces breast cancer risk by 95%, what do you conclude? . . Breast fat was the culprit because men have breasts too and staggeringly lower breast cancer rates under the same environmental conditions, but their breasts have less fat weighing them. Sadly, breast fat cells cause long-term inflammation and long-term inflammation causes cancer. (Not only will you have to remove your whole breasts/milk glands when breast cancer progresses, but also your OVARIES/trans HRT). Even the hormone, leptin, produced by breast fat cells can induce breast cancer according to NCBI / NIH. And yet the surgery women are encouraged to undertake is NOT breast fat reduction, but that of silicon/saline implants and fat transfer breast augmentation. .

[@justinaacuriouswanderer1496]

PART 2 OF MY COMMENT: On an alarming note, we didn't mention how more breast fat makes it harder to run or avoid predators. It can be completely incapacitating. (read about the Handicap Principle regarding human breasts and the large tails of male peacocks). Scientists at the University of Portsmouth found that the time taken to complete the marathon by runners can actually increase by between 4.6 to as much as 8.6 minutes for each higher cup size. This means that a woman who wears a 32DD sports bra could take more than 18 minutes longer to complete a marathon than someone who wore a sports bra in size 32A, despite having similar training and fitness levels. It got as bad as 35 MINUTES longer than someone with less breast fat. (then we wonder why there's a huge gender gap in sport performance 😅.) Breast fat could be (statistically) the reason a woman loses her olympic potential, but again, for what or whom? I can personally verify that breasts do hurt so much when you try to run at faster paces (gravity and the nerves in the breasts). If they're not held up extremely tightly. That painful experience was one of the reasons I started doing extensive research. One of the reasons there's a gender gap in performance in sports is because women aren't encouraged to have stronger pectorals, given that it is impossible to have abs with breast fat simultaneously. Because when you exercise for muscles, you naturally lose breast fat. Same goes for men. Women are no different in this regard. I firmly believe, though, that women are worthy of muscles. That they shouldn't be shamed for aspiring for a fit body based on their genitals (or identities). I look at YT pictures of women with muscles before the creation of steroids and wonder why society shames women for being physically fit and deems strength as "manly" (even before steroids!). . . Why is this the case? Because salesmen, at the start of the 20th century (early 1900's), turned beauty into a currency through unnatural advertisements. A criminal history (read the "Beauty Myth" for more historical snippets). The beauty industry heaps up to $725 BILLION annually and a projected $937.1 billion by 2030 off of women's (and some men's) advertisment-induced self-doubt and self-hatred. That's why. Not only are disabilingly large breasts encouraged for salesmen's depraved sexual sadism, but also for their wallets. . . Why do we encourage those ideals? Why are we so passive? Because we were programmed from a young age to never question any of the standards we're given. It is easier to permanently mold the mind of a child to grow up internalizing unnatural beauty standards as normal. Like 97% of women (who say they have at least one negative thought about their body image every single day), I too was dissatisfied with my body, but I never asked myself what the original cause of this prevalent self-hatred was. I never questioned why I even follow those standards. Or where they actually came from. . . As we established, bigger breasts are made of fat cells, and according to Medical Daily, the body stores toxic chemicals in its fat cells. This means big breasts could be storing dangerous compounds such as mercury or chemicals found in pesticides and paints. To make matters worse, the more these chemicals are stored in the breast tissue, the more likely they are to be transferred into a woman’s breast milk and passed along to her newborn children. Not to mention that women (or men) with more breast fat suffer longer colds. This happens due to the excessive leptin hormone produced by the higher number of fat cells in larger breasts that weakens the body's immune system and makes it harder to fight off infections. (journal of Archives of Sexual Behaviour.) Not to mention that according to Healthline, breastfeeding is almost impossible for big-breasted women: "....However, having big boobs made breast-feeding extra difficult for me. In order for my daughter to get enough suction on my nipple, her face would get lost pushing against my breast tissue. The only way I could stop her from suffocating was to use my other hand to hold my breast upward against my body. Breast-feeding became a very uncomfortable experience between swollen nipples, engorged boobs, and feeding positions that made my body ache. One milk-filled breast weighed more than 8 pounds! That’s 16 pounds of boob that I’m carrying upright with my back. That was more than double the birth weight of my newborn daughter." Breasts can weigh up to 7 to 12 kilograms-the equivalent of carrying around two small turkeys or two newborn babies. Some breasts could weigh up to 56 pounds (25 kilograms). The larger the breasts, the more they move and the greater the discomfort. In one study, 56 percent of women suffered from breast pain when simply jogging. . But who or what are we carrying and encouraged to carry all this weight for?💔 Who are we celebrating this unnatural and unnecessary pain for?💔 And for whom do we hate fit bodies that nature blesses us with? . . . Now, here are the symptoms of breast implants (that are deliberately downplayed and concealed in "beauty" clinics): Direct symptoms of breast implants: • Implant leakage or ruptures • Deflations • Scar tissue Associated (long-term) symptoms of implants: • Back and shoulder pain • ALCL cancer (a type of immunity system cancer where lymphoma cells start uncontrollably surrounding the foreign body, that is, the silicon lump) • Near inability of breastfeeding (amplifying the risk of breast cancer) • Near impossibility of detecting breast cancer (Again, not only will you have to remove your whole breasts/milk glands when breast cancer progresses, but also your OVARIES) • memory loss • Harder time concentrating/brain fog • dry mouth and dry eyes • Joint pain • Chronic (breast) infections • Headaches • Chronic fatigue • Dizziness • Hair loss • Loss of sex drive • Chest pain • Autoimmune problems • Loss of nipple sensation (See: www.insider.com/breast-implant-side-effects-women... See: www.healthline.com/.../why-big-boobs-are-the-worst see: headtopics.com/.../i-m-terrified-my-saggy-boobs... See: www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Mother-twos-breast... , note that in the last link, the implants literally fell out of her chest hideously just like in this animation.). All of this information means that large breasts are only satisfactory for the one observing them, but very painful for the one that has to carry them. . Disturbingly, many women convince themselves that they're not doing this (painful surgery) for anyone, but "only for themselves." This seriously demonstrates that those women consent to harm that is simultaneously coerced AND voluntary. Here's the process: Findings: ‘Choosing’ Breast Implants:  First: Patriarchy + Neoliberal-Capitalism → Particular and limited construction of the female body.  Leading to second: Reification (Objectification) of the female body whereby the body is modified to attain conformity.  Leading to third: Decision - consenting to harm, simultaneously coerced and voluntary. . The Impact of Symbolic/media-based Violence and Breast Implantation on Women: * Uninformed Consent * Skewed Representations of Risk The symbolic and ‘hard’ violence enacted against women through breast implantation in neo-liberal capitalist patriarchal society can only be mitigated once it is named as such; violence against women. . . Anna Nicole Smith, a figure as notoriously beautiful as Marilyn Monroe, who used to live in extreme poverty before seeking monetized beauty as prostitution was her only way to feed her child, had a tragic story. Her breast implants caused her back pain that she had to take prescribed drugs to numb it down. Drugs that eventually killed her. And her unborn child. She wanted to remove the implants because of the pain, but the producers threatened they would stop filming her if she removed them and end her entire career. It's as if she was no longer human and only her implants were walking and talking. . That's how much the producers and viewers detached her own humanity from her.

[@watsonmelon6575]

I saw an ad for razors and it was like "we believe you should do what you want with your body hair" and I'm just thinking that that's the opposite of what they're telling us

[@Betty-lx5nn]

SAAAME, the other day I saw an ad like that and it was so ironic

[@cecerats]

I SAW THE SAME ONE hate it sm

[@Alecexo]

Not really. It’s offering the option to shave. I mean some girls like shaving what are they gonna do if there’s no razors.

[@babi____]

Hi girlie💜 we are a feminist brand and we are your friends! 😍 doesn't matter if you buy our pink razors you always will be a boss babe🤑 that's why the cost of the pink razor is higher than the blue one, I mean you have an empowered job for something, don't you? Anyways have fun😊😊 and please remove that disgusting hair of yours xoxo

[@c4talystcathars1s]

@@babi____ No Barbara 😩 I promise I’ll shave 😥 please don’t gaslight, gatekeep girlboss me 😳

[@ylvabrandt6767]

I'm so glad someone's finally talking about this rapidly growing and problematic trend! I've literally thought about it for so long! :/

[@Rainlichen]

Same.

[@fawneyeslambheart]

your really really pretty omgoodness! is that your real hair in your profile picture?

[@Rainlichen]

Thank you! It was about 5 years ago, wasn’t sure if you were referring to the profile pic of the icey blonde above, she also has a nice hair color, the one you basically need to start with to apply this tone of pink to. Pink always seems to fade the fastest but it’s fun.

[@fawneyeslambheart]

@@Rainlichen ah ive had pink too! it faded wayy to fast :( im going back to blonde again this summer though! hopefully a similar shade to you!

[@ylvabrandt6767]

@@fawneyeslambheart Hii! Idk if you ment me or not, but if you did, no it's unfortunately not my natural hair color 😅🥺

[@veemartian]

beauty standards aren't just in the media, they also exist in family members who criticise the way you look, your peers who discuss people's looks, bullies who shame you for certain features... etc.

[@LiLa-yb4om]

Yeah this is a very important point, that you made. I can recall several situations when I was young where strangers would comment on my physique for example the fact that my feet were rather big for small and skinny child like me or that I had a lot of blonde hair on my body which gave me the impression that I need to shave my legs very early in my live.b In other situations my sister's friends were older than me would comment on my lack of breast development in puberty and calling me names like "BMW" which is a car producer, which teenagers translated to "Brett mit Warzen" , which was used to describe a very flat women, literally meaning ( wooden planks with warts). Electrical recall situations where people commented on my body and the funny thing is I wouldn't even consider me ugly or something. There are a lot of really ignorant dumb people out there!

[@arcane1282]

FUCK THEM ALL, LOVE YOURSELF BABE!!!!

[@emmabunch-benson4795]

Preach

[@krowkat5491]

Sometimes its not even direct. Its seeing who gets "picked" and that they all have a feature that you dont.

[@starlitbun]

So true. Literally when I was 11 my cousin told me my thighs were too fat!

[@5coldplayhurtsfan]

The part about male beauty standards being created by men reminded of a tumblr post that compared 2 magazine covers of Hugh Jackman, one on a men's magazine that had him shirtless and absolutely ripped and the other on a women's magazine where he just looked like a dad lmao

[@lovecallen]

I think so often about this post it's unhealthy

[@ham-sley1308]

Im a girl and i like both of them types of guys lol

[@hareemqureshi822]

I saw a similar one w tom hiddleston

[@blizzard_the_seal9863]

(stares at the Straight Guy Manly Men) why do you want all the guys to be super muscular, which you think is the most attractive way to be? is it because YOU find it attractive? why do you want all the men around you to be hot, if not because you’re attracted to men?

[@FxdGearQueer]

I'll have the one with the dad bod any day.

[@carriespromdress6912]

just because it makes u feel good, doesn't mean it's empowering

[@lydmch2770]

Facts

[@lyna7038]

I totally agree

[@zlis4536]

factsss

[@5dfeminine]

!!!! This

[@dnicole1391]

Yes, it’s literally internalized male gaze

[@MartinaAlonsoP]

About the beauty ideals, I can't help but think in the music industry... There's tons of "ugly" and average looking men being successful and they're always reminded by their amazing musical skills... Then think about women in music industry... They are always pretty to really beautiful and their physical appearance is always in the conversation.

[@kelpie.ag.]

This is so true! As someone getting into the music industry I've had an internal conversation with myself on whether or not I'm ever going to blow up simply because I'm not the average beauty standard. I can say with certainty most men do not have those same thoughts.

[@dsembers8865]

And they all seem to have the same bodyshape (or get it done), especially female rappers, whereas men look completely different, from short to tall, from small to big, etc.. No one would ever discredit Jay Z's musical talent, because he is not typically 'good looking'. On the other side i see a lot of people ( mostly men tbh imo) discrediting good looking female artist's (like Jorja Smith) musical talent and say that they're only successful, because of their good looks. Not even good looking women are treated fairly.

[@ceciliatoledo837]

YES! for example, lizzo is a fucking incredible vocalist, but people talk much more about her body than about her songs! even activists demand her to be a voice about body positivity just bc she is fat... like, what if she just wanted to sing? many man just go there and perform and that’s it, why lizzo owns anything to us?

[@kani9284]

@@ceciliatoledo837 so true! Why didn't they ask DJ Khaled to be a spokesperson for "body positivity, or some other fat male musician? His size wasn't even mentioned much, but as as soon as a big woman (Adele in the past, Lizzo....) turns up onto the scene, her body is commented on all the fucking time despite them being incredibly talented songwriters and vocalists! It's like their musical talent is not the focus anymore.

[@kani9284]

So well said

[@constanzaflv]

In my case, I had a breast reduction because i’m a small woman, with a small back, and kinda skinny too (height: 152 cm - weight: 46 kg). They were too big for me, I was being sexualized by men at a young age and then the back pains started, I didn’t feel comfortable wearing certain types of clothes and my back hurt so much, so I got the surgery and my life changed. So, I agree that in most cases plastic surgery isn’t a feminist act, but it can be. Society told me that men love women with huge boobs and that I would be very popular with boys! So I felt, and still feel, that feminism helped me to take my decision. But I get the point of this video, just wanted to leave my personal experience to any girl here in the comments that might find this helpful! Sorry if I made any grammar mistakes! English is not my first language :)

[@LeBatteur]

I would posit that it isn’t necessarily “plastic surgery” to get a breast reduction for back pain, since you’re addressing a very real health issue. But I agree that not all “cosmetic” surgeries are created equal.

[@amemelia]

Like the other person said, your want of breast reduction was a medical reason (back pain), I also have large ones but no back pain but if I did id probably reduce them since it's not necessarily about the aesthetic of the breast but mainly the physical pain they caused (I get also reducing them for proportions but that still rolls into medical reason. If I remember correctly where I live has free healthcare and reason reduction can actually be free as it isn't always seen as cosmetic but medical and for general health

[@peepeepoopoo8775]

health aside, its really sad if a woman feels the need to change herself in order to not get harassed or sexualized. idk if thats certainly feminism.

[@solveig964]

@@LeBatteur It's absolutely plastic surgery Plastic surgery doesn't have to be for cosmetic purposes only

[@facelessdrone]

Thats not plastic surgery... since it reduces physical pain in your life. It is no longer even considered cosmetic

[@lauram9850]

I've always had almond "fox" eyes and as a child other kids actually used to call me several asian slurs for it... I don't even have asian decendants at least to my knowledge. Seeing it being a "trend" is quite disturbing

[@ruthlessog9098]

Mhm like ew, many are fetishizing fox eyes, I would call it Asian eyes due to the fact many races have those eyes

[@domtekos7761]

It's not just Asians that can have these features with the extreme positive canthal tilt or even an epicanthic fold at times. Many white Irish have this genetic features, for an example. It isn't only found in one race but is an evolutionary adaption of the eye to prevent dirt and foreign objects getting into the eyes. Whilst seen more commonly in Asians today In the past people migrated through the world who had this feature and you can see the genetic legacy in many races. You will also see many Russians with such eyes due to how close they are to the migration paths in the past.

[@ruthlessog9098]

@@domtekos7761 no that is false, it doesn’t not prevent anything from getting in the eye.

[@ruthlessog9098]

@@domtekos7761 false, there’s a whole African tribe that have the same eyes shape, some African tribes even have it slanted upwards.. they never migrated in or mated with Asians..

[@ruthlessog9098]

@@domtekos7761 cuz if they did, then all of them would have had a caramel skin tone..

[@TaraMooknee]

Firstly *HIIII!* Secondly: this is genuinely so eye-opening. And this has also made me realise that I'm a SUCKER for empowerment marketing. I literally just bought a razor from a company that uses the whole "it's your choice boss queen" spiel loooool

[@nataliedantas2415]

tara! hi! make a video about it! :) also, as a brazilian woman, I feel very uncomfortable with the stereotype of women from my country :( could you look into it and make a video about latin fetishization?

[@evBeef]

nooooo Tara you're bette r than thaat!!!!!!!!!!

[@kst8688]

Ay It’s Tara lol.... love ur videos :) obviously you probs don’t have the time but I wonder if u would ever make a video about marketing and how it impacts women’s lives and self worth, I have quite severe body dysmorphia and more and more I contributed it to marketing and distorted images of women in the media... again love you and your videos, say hi to the cow from me :)

[@Daisy-er5jj]

moooooo

[@cathl4953]

Personally, i hate anything with "girlboss talk" on it. Even if there is a sale on "Smooth Queen Venus razors" i am like "nope" (which for some reason they tend to be the ones with the least blades on them 😤). From T-Shirts to pads, to nail polish, to TEA. We don't need a constant reminder that we are women.

[@MadisynBrown]

yupp!!! not everything has to be a grand feminist statement. woman can just do things without it being political or empowering for all women. didn’t know there was a term for it (pink washing) so i’m glad you mentioned it. great video !!

[@anvitas1527]

AHHH MADISYNNNNN ur vids are so awesome on these issues too

[@shironekomimi1362]

It is actually called purplewashing, not pinkwashing!

[@noyemisarkisian7842]

Lovely to see you here!! Love yor vids aswell

[@sanskritibarman4928]

Thank you so much l, I don't view sex work and plastic surgery as smthg bad if it's solely based on your choice. But just bcoz one is considered a part of a particular section doesn't mean that one needs to introduce a political idea irrelevant to that particular group/community to justify your choice. Sex work and plastic surgery by choice is a matter of privilege than an issue of feminism.

[@frankie9772]

I enjoy watching social commentary videos like yours and this lady’s.

[@ShivCreates]

It’s crazy how many girl influencers I hear talk about getting stuff done/considering it, while I NEVER hear boys even mention it 🤯

[@Eris_Norregard]

I spend ungodly amounts of time on KZbin and the only men I EVER hear talking about plastic surgeries are FTM transgender men when they talk about their top surgeries (removing the breasts to create a flat chest). Oh, and one guy who was describing his skin grafts after he got severe burns in a car crash. That's it.

[@louise6268]

Man, the thing that annoys me about nose jobs is that everyone who has it used to have a nose like mine. It gets kinda insulting to see a bunch on people around me go through something as invasive as a nose job to look less like me. There's even one youtuber I used to like who got a nose job, and now I cannot look at any of her videos, it's too triggering to me to think about how much pain she went through to get rid of a physical trait we used to share We forget that when we have plastic surgeries, whether we want it or not, we will influence people who identified with us.

[@mr.icecream7880]

So sad:/

[@jenniferwest3085]

This is such an excellent point. Plus another thing that people love pointing out is that as long as women are straightforward about having plastic surgery, that it's fine because they're not pushing their look as "natural". But it's still such a problem because that plastic surgery look is now seen as the standard. And so many women will never be able to afford it and will forever feel flawed because of it. It's almost scary how much tons of surgery is not only now seen as normal, but praised as a better way to look than our natural selves.

[@janepetty3978]

@Ashley L You can still call yourself a feminist and not align with those ideologies. In fact, the people you're referring to aren't even actually feminists. They're performative activists. You can also be a feminist and not a liberal. I'm definitely not a liberal but I am a feminist. It's all really about how you present yourself and I can safely say we do not claim performative activists in feminism. Though if you really just don't feel comfortable identifying with that term because of It's common misconceptions in society I won't tell you otherwise. Just dropping a word of advice.

[@jewels1743]

exactly! i was following someone on tiktok who talked a lot about colorism, feminism, and beauty standards. She had a really pretty nose bump but a while later i saw she got plastic surgery to have the “perfect” nose. She even made a video about how ugly her old nose was and how her new nose allowed her to be beautiful and confident. If it really makes you feel that much better about yourself go ahead i guess. It’s just so strange that people can act like they’re anti colorism anti misogyny icons and then turn around and reinforce the idea that you need a certain feature or a certain style of nose to feel confident and loved.

[@miicaabriil]

Nobody has to share your ideology. There are people who objectively see their ugly nose or that it does not match the rest of their face and decide to change it because they have the economic and psychological capabilities. I think this is about something that you don't like in the first place and since others have the ability to do it, it makes you mad in a way. But none of these figures owes you anything and does not have to take responsibility for what others may think. They as individuals do what they want. At the end of the day they are going to live with themselves for the rest of their lives and what better than living it in its best version. It is my honest opinion since we always have the other in sight instead of ourselves. If you really don't like it, change it and if you feel comfortable with it, live with it but without disempowering others decisions

[@peachtea5115]

i feel like even some women view other women through that "beauty standard" lens that even as a lesbian I've always been worried that my hairy body would be seen as "disgusting" by other women.. it's seriously mindfucking

[@Giraffe27]

I told a few of my girlfriends that I haven’t shaved my legs in months. From their reaction you would have thought I told them I stopped brushing my teeth lol.

[@kaylalaufeyson8828]

@@Giraffe27 lmao really? I don't think I've ever shaved my legs.

[@kaylalaufeyson8828]

@UCLENmQfyHoUzMKo_IViI6DA omgosh😭I have a lot of baby hair that comes down on my jaw basically side burns and on the back of my neck, i also have a lottt of leg hair but I've never cared to shave any of it, I personally find "hairy" girls attractive!

[@chickenfoot2423]

@@kaylalaufeyson8828 I’m so glad I saw this! I also find girls who dont shave very attractive, but I’ve always been worried that that feeling wouldn’t be reciprocated, and I’d be viewed through a typically male lens.

[@micnik3573]

@@Giraffe27 Lmao in lockdown for over a year I didnt either.

[@roxanaa4864]

I saw a video on tiktok about a woman who was implying her boobs were small etc. however, she was not making a problem out of it, it was just noticeable. then the top comment was written by a cosmetic surgerist (male) saying "I can change that" and it got about 20k likes. it emitted a weird feeling in me, joke or not.

[@micnik3573]

What tiktok? Thats for sure preying on her and all the other women who saw that comment for his business.

[@leongeds1397]

It seems like many plastic surgeons get new clients by basically insulting them... it's so freaking weird, but a perfect example of "insecurities make money".

[@mysaria7641]

ewwwww what the actual f**k. I want the human race to stop existing.

[@vainpiers]

I say my boobs are small (I like them small) and people are always like "no don't say that, your boobs are great" like why did you assume it's a bad thing?

[@zlis4536]

@@mysaria7641 it's not a human race problem tho, it's a men problem

[@merchantarthurn]

"I think we need to differentiate between empowering all women and empowering yourself" well said, and so applicable across the board.

[@lilyk527]

for everyone saying "men have it just as bad," according to the ASPS male cosmetic surgeons outnumber women by 5:1, and women make up ~92% of recipients of surgery (and that's not even including non surgical procedures).

[@kristinastavri3273]

I actually did my dissertation on a similar topic and I found an article saying that beauty standards are just a new way of oppressing women instead of previously them not having rights and stuff. Since women complying to beauty standards is kinda inherently in order to please men a lot of the time it forces us into a lower power role in a way.

[@Naomi-rf1bl]

I think ur spot on The hard part is that all women unintentionally do it to ourselves and other

[@natalikronwald6177]

Beauty standards always existed, it’s not a modern thing. Still they are structurally oppressing mostly women, but also a considerable (and growing ) amount of non-binary ppl and dudes. I think in 200 years from now we will live in an post-instagramian eugenic dystopia, similar to what life is like in Korean upper middle class already.

[@anotherdeadgirl.mp3]

i thought about this before.. it's really sad.

[@anastasia6455]

@@natalikronwald6177 could you expland a little bit more on what you mean by post-instagramian eugenic dystopia and its relation to what korean upper middle class society is like? that sounds very interesting lol

[@timingmile7030]

Yes, as white women got their rights in their early 20th century to work and vote, men needed a new way to keep women opressed. The beauty standard became significantly harder to achieve in a hundred years than it did in previous generations. Some women now feel like they have to take 1-2hrs a day to become beautiful by doing their makeup and hair while men are not held to the same standard. Those 1-2hrs of time spent on getting ready stop women from doing other things that could help them with finances, resting or anything else worth doing instead of adhering to a made up standard of what men find beautiful

[@heywhat6676]

My opinion basically is, while it is important to give people freedom to do what they want with their body, it is just as important to question why they might want to do so in the first place. This is relevant especially to plastic surgery, as many people just use it to cover up their insecurities and match modern rigid beauty standards under claims of they're 'doing it for themselves'. Plastic surgery can really raise someone's confidence, but if conforming to the standard is what gave them confidence, I can't help but doubt their choice was really for themselves. Cosmetic surgery industry eats up the growing dissatisfaction of people (especially women) with their own looks and ends up often perpetuating the dissatisfaction. Plastic surgery in general is murky business, the industry, the reasons people get it, and how it affects other people too Thats all, thanks for reading

[@ylvabrandt6767]

💯💯💯

[@Char10tt3_]

could you apply this to women who wear hijabs/are super religious? genuine question. cos obvs Muslim women choose to wear headscarves/fundamentalist Christian women choose to stay home and be a “trad wife” etc but, those choices are surely informed by patriarchal religions??

[@zentsui4263]

@@Char10tt3_ this is a question ive also always personally had, but i feel like this comment section is not were you will find any one willing to really discuss the many nuances....lIKE THERE are ALOT lol

[@starylize]

these are my opinions as well. you said this in such a concise way! 💯💯💯 edit: typos

[@starylize]

@@Char10tt3_ you weren’t asking me directly, but i think it can be. with certain sects of christianity, women are pushed to be traditional stay at home moms and i do think them taking on that roles stems from their religion encouraging that. outside of religion, if someone wanted to be a stay at home mom i think it feels less forced because the overarching society isn’t forcing that upon woman as much as they used to. when christianity is involved i feel like there’s more social pressure to act a certain way than there would be with a woman who’s not religious. i don’t know enough about islam to comment on that specific example. it is possible that some christian women do want to be stay at home mothers and be traditional, but it’s hard to deny that parts of them might also be conforming to what their religion wants and expects from them. this isn’t a complete black and white topic but regarding plastic surgery, i agree with the original comment.

[@msjkramey]

Honestly, a lot of my insecurities come from women. We police ourselves so hard that men don't really have to anymore. I used to wear make up exclusively for myself as an alternative teen that loved make up and was a semi-professional face painter/make up artist. Then, I went to college, my style changed, and I just didn't have the time or money for it. I started only wearing make up for first dates, interviews/professional events, and parties. The only time I really wear make up or even shave now is when I go see family because I'd rather be spared the lecture about how the reason my mental health is shit is that I don't make myself "pretty" often enough and that is almost always coming from my mother. That's the other thing that irks me is that she gets the correlation completely backwards. She thinks that putting on a cute outfit and doing my hair is what improves my mental health instead of what it actually is: I put effort into my appearance when I'm already feeling good and have the time/energy to express myself and experiment with different looks, but often I can be in a good place and still be perfectly happy in yoga pants and a ponytail. It's all probably internalized misogyny at the end of the day, but women gatekeeping other women's feminity pisses me off so much. I can be butch and be happy and I can be femme and be happy, so fuck off

[@FileCode1459]

so true!! my experience isnt to the same degree but it's kinda similar: when i got to a certain age it was time to start waxing bc my body hair was growing, and it was so much torture, but i did it every once in a month bc i felt like i had to, even though i didn't actually care about it, i only did it bc my mom wanted me to. as i grew older i started to have more agency and evetually gave up completly on waxing, and even though my mom respects my independence for most of the time, she still wants me to get rid of my body hair for christmas/new years, bc it's "ugly" (in my country it's usually hot at that time of year so i can't really cover it with pants). she's also the only one who wants me to at least put some lipstick on in special ocasions. thankfully she's way more chill about it, but it's interesting how she's the one pressuring me into standards that i don't feel the need to fit in at all

[@apocalypseready6256]

The part about men adhering to men’s constructed beauty standards is so true! If you look at celebrities and artists that girls/women actually enjoy, you’ll find it’s usually the _opposite_ of “masculine” types. Harry Styles, Tom Holland, Timothee Chalamet, Thomas Brodie Sangster, literally any male K-Pop idol… This isn’t even a new phenomenon. Look back twenty years, and you’ll find Steve Morrissey, Prince, Elton John, David Bowie. Hell, look back fifty years - the point is, as long as female-gaze based media has been allowed to exist, our preferences have been clearly established as a pattern. We don’t want macho, tough men, we’ve always preferred sensitive, somewhat androgynous men who’re in touch with their emotions and feelings. The only reason the “soft boy” phenomenon has occurred recently is because more media aimed at female audiences is making a breakthrough - but it’s always existed, just in the recesses of womanhood. I’ve been curious about if girls genuinely age out of these preferences, or if our fantasy of finding a guy who could actually cater to our preferences is shattered, and we eventually conform to societal standards for male partners (which is, evidently, what men think women want). If you look at any story written by a male ensemble, aimed at other men, you find a very different story. Gun-toting, muscular, objectifying figures, or even highschool jocks, dominate the screen. I don’t know any girl my age who’s attracted to these kinds of guys, hence the lack of female interest in male-based cinema. Sure, some women undeniably love toned and muscular men - but there’s a huge audience (I’d say at least a few million, if stans have anything to say about it) who clearly have different romantic priorities that they can only satisfy with fictional men. And therein lies the problem - when men can’t pick up girls, it’s usually because they don’t know what women actually want, they know what men _think_ women want. Or, they’re just sexist. And then they turn to other men for help, and perpetuate the cycle all over again. Our society hasn’t taught men to even turn to women when they’re trying to appeal to us, which forces us to adjust our standards accordingly. But I doubt that’s going to happen with this next generation. And with the rise in unabashed female fanbases, who don’t allow boys/society to scare them away from their interests, I’m curious to see how male beauty standards may shift in the future. We’ve never had a voice to even express what we want from men, which is why they’re so clueless about women whereas we have mastered the art of catering to their preferences. And it’s honestly a good thing; “masculinity” is such constricting and limiting confines, that few men actually benefit from. Widening the scope of what’s considered attractive can benefit men and women, and destroy the gender barrier between expressing emotions. The only thing which will suffer is the patriarchal and powerful.

[@iakanep]

Amazing comment

[@idkreally9164]

Wholeheartedly agree, it's something I've been thinking about!

[@kani9284]

Agree. The whole "gigachad" thing that incels came up with is so blatantly catered towards what men think women actually want. No woman I know would even go near a "Chad", let alone a "Gigachad".

[@dawntreader1247]

The Beatles are also key examples: girls screamed and fainted for them. The OG massive fan base

[@bdp8102]

this is so true, except I would add that the "androgynous male" or "soft boy" is not necessarily the only alternative (to the hyper macho man) that "we" find attractive. Personally, I'm very partial to the nerd type and I'm sure there are as many interesting male aesthetics as there are men basically. It's just that 1) nobody really listens to what women think 2) oftentimes we, men and women, tend to not admit we like aestethics that are not "trendy", for fear of sounding weird. I'm a little bit older but when I was younger this was most certainly the case for me and my peers: years and years spent pretending that I gave a single f*ck about the jocks when all I ever really wanted was a young Noam Chomsky all to me :D :D :D

[@manouna3075]

23:30 yes, women aren't allowed to age and it's very obvious even in movies/shows. Did you never notice how often, in what is considered an "old couple", the woman is played by a 30-something actress and is with a 50-60 looking man? A lot of actresses in their late 30s/40s have revealed that when casting for wife roles, they were told they were too old to play the role of the wife of a 50 year old man, or even a man their age. They always have to be the fresh trophy.

[@kani9284]

so infuriating! And it's not even realistic, because most couples are about the same age. I'm 40 and I wouldn't look at a 60 year old.

[@manouna3075]

@@kani9284 Oh they know that! They just always think a 50 year old woman should look like they're 30.

[@lurategh]

This age discrepancy is something that has always angered me. Men are allowed to age but women can’t. In the instances in Hollywood where you do see women around the same age or older than the men, that’s the exception, not the rule. I’m always strangely satisfied when the women are older than the men, whether it’s romance, action, whatever. And whenever it’s a cast of mostly men with the token woman, the men will likely be noticeably older and at least some will be allowed to be average or even below average-looking while the lone woman must always be in her 20s or early 30s at the most and gorgeous. I enjoy the show Criminal Minds and thought they’ve always done a good job with their female characters ever since the show’s inception, including having the main cast usually be split pretty evenly between women and men. The show recently ended after 15 seasons and the women have been allowed to age. I also thought it was nice how at least every time an actress had to be replaced for whatever reason, it was usually by another actress similar in age, not significantly younger. Except I heard that apparently around its 6th or 7th season, not one but two of the main actresses were let go partly or fully due to having “grown too old.” ??? They were in their freaking mid 30s and early 40s at that point, and some of the men on the show were already older than that! Luckily after angry fans petitioned, they were brought back on the show.

[@conradkorbol]

Yeah. It that’s cuz women like older men. Women want older men and men want younger women. Typically. I don’t. I prefer older women, but most men prefer younger women. Women want older men so older men with younger women is basically what most people desire. Obviously since women prefer men their age or older, then older women will prefer if men were age appropriate or older. But like don’t act like it’s not obvious why.

[@kani9284]

@@lurategh It's the same in real life. My boyfriend is 10 years younger than me and the only people who find that weird are men. Women rarely even bring up the topic but it's always men who feel the need to comment on it. It's like they think it's only them who can date younger partners. Idk, weird.

[@emilymann377]

the "internalized male gaze" idea really resonates with me because I constantly find myself being cognizant of how I look to an outside viewer & what this hypothetical person (man?) might think, including the way I dress, how I sit/stand, my voice, etc.

[@sandrinelaberge8136]

Yeah i get it. You are tho 100% right to do so. I dont know for you but i just dont want to be harassed and I dont trust anyone lol. So of course I will think from an outsider perspective. Its going to take time so women feel safe in public spaces.

[@zoejane7129]

Yes! I do this too, even down to color matching my pajamas at night, holding up a mirror to make sure my hair pins are perfectly straight in the back or even putting concealer on a spot when I know I’m going to be home all day. I know that I go out of my way to look perfectly attractive, but I don’t really stop myself from doing it? It truly is sad, I can remember doing these things since I was 7-8, trying to look “attractive” and prim.

[@yiasminathefangirl]

i’m like this too, ugh the struggle is real

[@mpGreen03]

Same! And this happens to me all the time, while I am at home too, it feels like I am being literally haunted by something in my mind, I am trying to make it go away bit by bit. But I have a lot of insecurities etc which gets in the way.

[@ax.8508]

@Pingo oh my. I have been dealing w this since forever. I thought i was the only one. It feels like being in a play 24/7, always performing for that non-existing eye that although you can tell it’s not real you can’t help but obey and keep acting.

[@blackpinkrise4527]

There is literally no way to be 100% feminist all the time while living in a patriarcal society! Always remember that please.

[@lillianamer5310]

the problem is, in my opinion, we seem to confuse “feminist” with “okay”. so many women are attempting to show that it’s okay, so they label it as “feminist” and “empowering”. it’s not, period. but it’s also perfectly okay to get surgery, because of how harsh the beauty standards are nowadays. we can’t blame these women for getting these surgeries until we completely abolish these standards. we also can’t expect each and every woman to actively fight these standards.

[@tamia4682]

People need to stop trying make everything a woman does “feminism”. They did the same thing with “WAP”, it’s a song not a feminist anthem. If a women wants to express her sexuality let her, but it’s not feminism, it’s them doing what they want. Anyway, who would even say plastic surgery is feminism if most plastic surgery is to enhance or make your features look similar to a man’s desires. It could be feminism if you’re trying to make your life better with it (like breast reductions).

[@berenicethegirl]

@semi lmao

[@becca1147]

But, if you're saying that surgery like breast reduction are feminist because they make the woman feel better you cannot really say that plastic surgery is not feminist, since a lot of women feel more confidence/ better about themselves afterwards which also... make the woman feel better obviously

[@nikkixo1882]

@@becca1147 except why do women feel better after plastic surgery to make themselves look good? it’s because that they now look more desirable to men, which is what we’ve subconsciously been trained to care about.

[@becca1147]

So you think it's better to hate one of your features and live with less confidence and self love than to choose to change it and feel better about yourself? Just so that you don't cater to beauty standards? Sometimes it isn't about higher values, but just about a woman and her own way to become happy.

[@RevertedRashidah]

@@nikkixo1882 it’s not just about men though. It’s the societal standard that helps you get work.

[@aprilmazae4811]

i think the thing u said about "what about putting on makeup/dressing how you want because you enjoy it" is a really good point. the conclusion i've come to is that you can't ever figure it out. i do like dressing feminine, but i really can't tell how much of it is because it's encouraged by patriarchy. and that's depressing as fuck

[@mariedit9935]

Same for me

[@worstusernameintheworld9871]

it used to be the same thing for me, but as I got older and realized I'll get slut shamed either way, I still ended up liking makeup because I'm fond of art and enjoy doing it on many things lmao (my face included, i don't wear it for any other reason anymore but to show that i can make makeup look cool, maybe it could be the same reason for some other girls/guys out there? :> )

[@jessicadepaula539]

It's important to look at your own actions and choices critically. But try not to get toooooo wrapped up in whether you like to wear makeup or appear feminine bc of the male gaze or bc of your own preference. I think everybody is different and our experiences affect the way the male gaze affect us on an individual level. For me, I grew up during the 2000s and was brought up by the adults around me, as well as the media, that Paris Hilton was the worst woman in the world, that the "dumb blonde" trope was all too real and should be my worst nightmare, that I should want to be masculine but not, like, too masculine if you know what I mean. My mom used to let me play with Bratz dolls, but she would call them slutty and trashy. I think my family had good intentions and were also victims of the cruel way society treated women at that time, but it didn't make it any less damaging to me. Because of this, I fell for the "I'm not like other girls, girls who wear makeup look like clowns, I hate Megan Fox for no apparent reason" line of thinking SO HARD. I was taught to hate women who were too feminine, basically. It took me a while to unlearn these behaviors (lots of work though listening to others' experiences and reading feminist literature) now I love makeup and skirts and cute hair accessories! For me, I'm pushing back against an insanely harmful culture that still exists and that caused me to be so confused for so long. I don't think I'm free of the male gaze entirely, but I have reached a point where I'm pretty confident that my smokey eyes and winged eyeliner are a statement I'm making for myself and a form of self-expression, not for other people.

[@charlief2085]

@@jessicadepaula539 Yesss this is pretty much the same for me! I tried so so hard to be more masculine when I was younger. I openly hated on any sort of feminist ideas and mocked a family member who was very feminist. I only used to wear jeans and t shirts and no makeup. But after a lot of learning (and growing up) I now only wear skirts and dresses because I love them. I love putting on colourful makeup. I also get on well with that family member I previously mocked and we talk in depth about feminism together. I think from a young age it’s easy to soak up a lot of misogyny and carry it with you into everything you do. I don’t think me dressing up now has much to do with the male gaze (although it might who knows).

[@mochees]

@@fawnedover right. You are no longer consciously doing it to please men or the patriarchy, but the fact that you had the idea or the reason you enjoy it is most probably because you've internalized patriarchal ideals

[@slowlydissolving]

I hated my nose for sooo long and ever since I heard the word nose job I wanted one. But like a year ago or so my mind started changing and now I actually like my nose, I think it fits my face etc. And this just showed me that I never should alter my body with painful and risky surgery when in the end my mind (and beauty standards) can change so easily

[@saradavies3731]

I like watching a razor advert that uses a “your body, your choice” slogan and then think “ah that’s cool, I choose not to buy your razors”

[@piagebot2943]

I literally got an ad for leg wax thats like “you know what I like about my legs? That they’re strong...” like bro lemme keep my hairy legs its just gonna grow back anyway

[@Angel-sp9ct]

I swear I got that same ad

[@taylorl4317]

i got that ad on this video!! wtf

[@nikkijones9713]

You know what I like about my legs? That they're hairy af. 😂👍🏼

[@alexander8257]

I got that ad on this video too!

[@isabella-ky4yq]

I'm so sick of wanting to feel beautiful in every sense of it. And I'm so close to leaving all social media because I cannot take it anymore. I wish I had the language and education to express what I feel beyond a deep and distressing anger

[@dia.96]

You could take a break I stopped using Instagram and Twitter and have no regrets it was just making me sad. Maybe you could take a break for a day and see how it goes I downloaded an app blocker to help me block apps before bed and it's been amazing for sleeping schedule

[@milagros.h8513]

I stoped using Facebook about 3 years ago because It was making me feel sad (a lot of people there talk about killing themself and such...). And it was great, at first one want to use it again but over time that feeling stop. So, try to leave social media, maybe It´ll be great! :)

[@isabella-ky4yq]

@@dia.96 I've decided to do that! I manage a social media accounts for work so I can't leave entirely at this point but reducing my own time with a timer is helping a lot!

[@Orooj]

Yea I left social media for a month and I drastically noticed how I started to change the way I looked at myself. I stopped comparing myself to others.

[@beanski.7250]

i have my instagram notifications turned off, so i just scroll a few minutes a day to see cute animals and maybe a cool house renovation or two. it helps a lot. if you aren't ready to completely remove yourself from it. i also deleted the facebook app off my phone, so i go on via the browser if/when i want to check something. it's done WONDERS for my mental health and wellbeing. i've started to dress and behave how i want and makes me feel comfortable. meaning, if i want to wear baggy linen shorts, i'm going to. why do i have to wear what is "in" on instagram when a) i'm not a teen, and b) my body isn't the same as what all those women advertising. my new self motto this spring/summer has been I JUST WANT TO BE COMFORTABLE. let me wear my big undies that aren't sexy, and my 2 sizes too big shirts, and let me be. best of luck to you! =)

[@xXNekou]

(Possibly) controversial thought: you want to get a surgery because you feel you will be prettier after. Counter-thought would be (body positivity!): "you just need to accept your features and believe they are pretty the way they are now". And although that counter-thought is nice and can definitely work in some cases, it still relies heavily on the "prettiness". Like "you're pretty, you just don't see/know it!". It's nice but realistically there are people and there are certain features that are just NOT pretty. And that's ok. Why do we all have to be "pretty" no matter what? It's just less-harsh version of "women have to be hot/attractive". No, we don't. It's ok to just be ugly, have ugly features. The world doesn't spin around prettiness, being pretty is just one among a thousand things that you can be. Why do we put sooooooo much emphasis and importance on being pretty alone? And having only pretty features? Just chill. Ugliness exists and that's ok. And your nose exists to allow you to smell things, not to look pretty.

[@hxhx1456]

Well said! I'd also add that they do it to fell prettier, but according to who? There are ps trends, and they will change, so I don't believe that getting ps is a choise with internal roots. Okay, they do it to feel better, but two years from now if the opposite features become attractive, they will change themselves again, and say it's for themselves again. This is of course very generalized and not true for a lot of cases. (Sorry for bad english)

[@wkt2506]

I totally agree that emphasis on looks is not something everyone want to aspire to and that should be more socially acceptable. But You don't seem to understand that "prettiness" is not a number you can count, its not a fact. Our current ideals of prettiness wherever we live, are the outcome of our thinking about prettiness, all the messages we've been given since we were born - as explained about the car advert. And those thoughts can change, they might be different in different countries, different social groups online, and they will change over time. Prettiness is not a factual quality, its a thought we all choose to believe in. What it means can evolve if we choose as well.

[@angelvee5093]

The internalized male gaze theory makes me think of how I was raised thinking God was always watching. God in the form of a heterosexual cisgender white man that has written a book with sexist and homophobic rules. As a little girl, that was the image I had in my head whenever I went to shower or even just sitting in class. Today as an adult I have no doubt that there’s no such man watching, at least not in the form of a God, but it’s true that it is so internalized I still find myself trying to adhere to the rules.

[@Alibannany]

I had the same experience as a kid always thinking God was watching... spooky

[@starchannel123]

Albana it's basically what they tell kids about santa clause

[@sofiarestaino6537]

Not everything women do it's feminist. We need to acknowledge this. Objectifying yourself isn't feminist, plastic surgery isn't feminist, sex work isn't feminist. And that's okay, you can still be a feminist and not doing all feminist things.

[@zorosgf8231]

Yeah, exactly. This is why I like saying that I support feminism, instead of saying I'm a feminist. There's some things I do that would not be considered feminist, but I still support feminism and what it stands for.

[@madisonj5136]

Why is it such a hard concept

[@crystalsnow9069]

@@zorosgf8231 you can still be a feminist, it doesn‘t make you agree with everything don‘t worry

[@mizjulio]

I feel like sex work isn't feminist or empowering (I mean it's labor) but it is feminist to support sex workers and their rights

[@kani9284]

@@mizjulio absolutely. I support sex workers, but sex work inherently is deeply misogynistic. There is no way that overcoming your disgust and sleeping with unattractive, repulsive men is in any way healthy, let alone empowering. Plus. so many women who work in that field do not do it voluntarily.

[@cg8977]

I think wearing graphic liner or colourful, fun makeup is more of a self-expressing tool than a full 'mask' mimicking features you wish you had. The kind of makeup old or regular people would frown upon because it 'isn't pretty', as it does not succumb to the male gaze and what is considered attractive on a woman.

[@yoshita4140]

100% this

[@stilloctober]

Exactly! Thanks for saying this. When I do my makeup I always say what would I like it to look like? I’ve never thought how would the men like it. Like why the fuck can’t women just be allowed to be pretty for themselves and not men. You ever just dress up all nice and just stay home because it makes you feel good? You ever take selfie’s for yourself because you felt beautiful? Why can’t we go for beauty without it being assumed it’s for men? This just seems antifeminism. But I wear makeup so I’m probably too brainwashed to understand lol.

[@mikhaellawalden]

Ditto. My mom and dad always frown in confusion and distaste whenever I wear graphic eyeliner. Not even a lot of eyeliner, either.

[@alexkayd]

yes!! when i think of makeup being expressive, i think of people wearing stuff that's cool to look at, not necessarily pretty or trying to "perfect" their features. there is absolutely a female gaze when it comes to makeup. especially on tiktok i see a lot of girls wearing graphic eyeliner, outrageous colors, lots of glitter, stuff that's more on the side of being ornamental and decorative rather than enhancing or augmenting. it's why i stopped wearing foundation/face makeup. if i'm wearing makeup i want to look cool or fun, not to make myself more appealing by covering up normal stuff like acne or scars

[@stilloctober]

@@alexkayd me too! I stopped wearing Foundation and concealer. Fuck what men like! I do what I like 🥳

[@zuu876]

what people need to understand is that just because something a woman does isn't something that classifies as feminist doesn't mean that this woman is any less feminist. same as just because a woman does something "non-feminist" doesn't mean that she has to be excluded from feminism. people calling themselves feminist just often forget the core of feminism and try to spin it to fit their narrative or to "excuse" something they do.

[@FileCode1459]

RIGHT like if a woman chooses to be racist that's feminism ????? it's ridiculous

[@xXNekou]

Another thing to consider: beauty trends change quite rapidly. Huge lips are now considered very sexy, but when I was around 10-12 (I'm now 28) I remember people actually laughing at girls that had those big lips. Smaller "average" lips were the go-to. So if you want a plastic surgery ask yourself: will I still be totally happy with the result even if in 5 or 10 years that specific thing I got done will no longer be considered attractive?

[@emilyanne9513]

Right, not only are we expected to conform to male standards, but we are expected to conform to constantly changing male standards - something which is impossible for the human body to do. How many older women now have no eyebrows left because they pulled them all out 30ish years ago? They did it then to meet a standard, and in doing so, they made it impossible to meet the current standard.

[@sienamoreno3776]

Its like Im not going to judge another woman for how she copes with a society that tells them they need to be beautiful while also belittling them for caring about it.

[@zorosgf8231]

That's true. But you can criticize the society that made her feel that way in the first place.

[@magda_khu]

Oh shit a Natalie Wynn reference!!! God I love that quote

[@eurekamreum5458]

Come through with that Contra reference! One of my favorite quotes from her 💕

[@CuntyMisanthrope]

Queen Contra always getting it right

[@micnik3573]

Yess, thats why I hated people who were hating on Khole Kardashian for wanting the "bad" picture of her deleted.

[@nicolasgalviza7948]

Cant wait for a feminist breast-augmentation commercial. The pinnacle of capitalism.

[@majlordag1889]

Made by a man of course

[@easyprism347]

I’ve legit already seen a plastic surgery ad where a woman is shown with breast implants with the caption “Lucy has breast augmentation and she’s a FEMINIST.” It’s already happening.

[@olenabogdanov]

u get those back-breaking monster goth truck oooga-wooga mommy milkers for YOU giiirl 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 (piercings not included, must be pressured by boyfriend separately)

[@anastasiashockey5694]

i once read a quote that basically said if you were to exist inside a vacuum without anyone else and outside of society and it’s norms, would you have anything you hate about yourself? would you wear makeup if you never knew what it was used for? would you be insecure about your nose if you never saw another? unfortunately this isn’t possible but it does, at least to me, show that our insecurities as women were taught

[@bluelight2681]

true!

[@Bioshocking12]

Honestly Atwood is onto something. At least for me, the internalized male gaze is 100% a thing. Even as a lesbian, the idea of what a woman should be kept me in the closet.

[@sheree._.]

i also wonder, especially in the case of someone who gets a bbl..... what if, once this tiny waist big butt trend passes, you no longer want that sort of body shape? :/

[@julieg785]

Can't they get it undone? I imagine it's much harder than getting lip fillers dissolved...

[@deeb1124]

Love yourself. It won’t matter if it’s in style or not, now youve got a beautiful big booty. When thicker black women weren’t “in style” in the past, we still had to love ourselves.

[@sheree._.]

@@julieg785 of course! but i’m just imagining the financial aspect + the thought of another major surgery, another two months of downtime as you recover, etc.! it’s a big commitment to have any sort of work done, but a surgery like that seems so major to me.

[@sheree._.]

@@deeb1124 that’s what i sincerely hope for everyone 🥺

[@sssmm3214]

Helloo I'm genuinely curious about what does a person (I used person so it'd be inclusive hehe) feel when they get a bbl??? Does it feels like sitting on a cushion or what?????

[@mariahasan7339]

We have normalized plastic surgery instead of going to therapy to help with our insecurities. Edit: everybody talking about how expensive therapy is and I totally agree but if you can afford plastic surgery then you can afford therapy.

[@janleonard3101]

We don't need therapy so much as we need to change the culture.

[@UwU-dw8em]

I’ve been in therapy since age 9. I have BDD, it’s not as simple as you might think.

[@CelebrimborrAncalime]

therapy doesn’t help everyone.

[@Pink_pr1ncess]

Bold of you to assume that therapist actually care about their patients or that therapy is cheap

[@UwU-dw8em]

@@Pink_pr1ncess Yup. But then again, this whole conversation is mostly held by middle class, thin, able bodied, conventionally attractive, white women.

[@flora3920]

I'm so glad, that I came across this video! I'm feeling so insecure about my nose (always has been), and this just gave me motivation to never change a thing about myself. I've of course considered plastic surgery a couple of times, but the thought of ruining something on my face, changing it forever scares me. And tbh, I should really stop caring about what everyone else thinks of my nose.. yk if I really like a guy and he thinks my nose is ugly HE AINT THE ONE.

[@sumatrannos]

Take this compliment from a man: Don't let any of the dudes or whoever tell you what you should do/not do or feel. If you lack confident go for surgery. If you lack but don't care then don't do it. Know your worth is not in the outside. Do what's best for you. You got it!

[@saaya8964]

the margaret atwood quote literally haunts me everyday 🤪 Thank you for this video, too many ppl still think that getting plastic surgery is a girl power move rip

[@abig_old_swan]

Yes! I feel kind of similarly about makeup and shaving. A feminist can do these things, but that doesn’t make them feminist choices, especially because they enforce patriarchal beauty standards.

[@Alesanascreamokid]

What is patriarchal beauty standard?

[@plppppppppplll8738]

I agree! But makeup can be used as a form of art also

[@julieg785]

@@Alesanascreamokid standards that are enforced by men and are directed at women. At least that's the way I interpret it.

[@julieg785]

It's the same with religious head coverings: it's not a feminist thing or empowering. It's just a head covering. It can be empowering to some but that has to do with their religion not feminism

[@abig_old_swan]

@@Alesanascreamokid She defines beauty standards about eight minutes in. The patriarchy is the system that holds men in power. These beauty standards arise from that system.

[@liluzilexx]

Becoming “more” beautiful shouldn’t be empowering. It’s sad that confidence is being defined by the way you look, especially when people come in all forms. Confidence should be taught as something that comes from within, how people choose to express that is really what’s empowering

[@UwU-dw8em]

What about people who suffer from BDD? "Just love yourself" isn’t an option for everyone.

[@liluzilexx]

@@UwU-dw8em I completely understand that, and to alleviate mental health issues like that, I would never discourage someone to do what’s gonna benefit them. But, as surgery (invasive or not) is an option, I’m sure those suffering with BDD should get therapy as well. And not every person who is insecure in their looks has BDD

[@cheetodust745]

@@UwU-dw8em I wouldn’t get surgery if you have bdd, you won’t be able to stop getting surgeries

[@UwU-dw8em]

@@cheetodust745 The thing is, while that might be true. I’d rather die looking pretty than continue to live a miserable life.

[@cheetodust745]

@@UwU-dw8em that money would be better spent on therapy, helps me with my body dysmorphia

[@sarughbearugh]

I relate to what you were saying about the male gaze theory and doing things that you enjoy. In one of my gender studies classes I asked my prof “how do I know that I like wearing dresses because I like it or because I’ve been taught that women wear dresses when they want to look pretty?” and she basically said not to worry about it because you’ll drive yourself nuts trying to find that answer. We can’t pinpoint exactly what has influenced our preferences, and if it is the male gaze, how much that specifically has influenced our preferences. So the best thing we can do for ourselves is just like what we like when we like it 🤷‍♀️

[@celinepope]

I feel so confused about fillers n all. I just find it so sad that society has come to the point where it's common to do this. And I just don't buy that people are "doing it for themselves" in most cases. My coworker mentioned she was getting filler and I asked if she was scared.. everyone was mad at me for asking that and shut me down saying "she's gonna love it." Conversation over. Why can't I question how she feels about it? Idk.. I also think it's not cool for me to talk about how I don't think it looks good most the time.. I just think we need to talk about the culture of going to great lengths to alter our bodies and for what? At what risks?

[@jennali9800]

Unless you're very close with your coworker, it isn't your place to question her personal choices. Imagine if she announced that she was pregnant and you replied by asking if she really wanted a kid or questioning if she can afford one. If you were a close friend or family member, you could have those conversations with her, but it is hardly appropriate to say that to a coworker.

[@celinepope]

@@jennali9800 we are a tight knit fam, always out together. Yeah, we are close.

[@celinepope]

@@jennali9800 If she announced big news it's still appropriate to ask if she's scared. But seeming as we hangout all together every weekend I think you can end your lecture to me. Thanks tho

[@jennali9800]

​@@celinepope Clearly the other people in that situation didn't think your comment was appropriate. It is definitely possible they were in the wrong, but it's worth considering whether you did cross a boundary.

[@celinepope]

@@jennali9800 it's the same thing as asking if someone is scared to go to the dentist.

[@leenanorms]

This was so well handled, really loving your videos x

[@jordanatheresa]

thank you!

[@ibrahimkamityoutube]

Clicked on this video so fast!! Loved how insightful this was

[@aleuxa]

Love ur videos!!!

[@bubeudeh]

MY KING

[@sofiaandreea7935]

I like your videos!

[@kaypat23]

All of my fave KZbinrs in the comment section yass

[@iluvuforever]

Plastic surgery is fine and women shouldn't be ashamed about it. But it's not feminist - not everything a woman dose is feminist for God's sake.

[@jessicarossen710]

I took the very expensive plunge and got a rhinoplasty about a year and a half ago, and even now my nose still hasn't fully healed so if you are seriously considering it be prepared for a fair bit of swelling before you see the final result. The healing process was, if I'm honest, quite a gruelling time for me body image-wise as I still didn't like my nose, even to this day I struggle; in other words it was better, but not *perfect*. I kept finding new things on my face I thought I needed to get tweaked cos I just couldn't sit with the fact that after this huge surgery I still didn't feel confident/beautiful. What I'm trying to say is that with these procedures it is an *extremely* slippery slope as this industry makes you feel that you should aspire to perfection and nothing less, but I can honestly say that the change I was looking for can not be 'bought', as corny as it sounds beauty is a state of mind, and the moment you feel you are enough and learn to accept yourself as you are, confidence will follow. No amount of surgery will do that for you. Also I personally find that subtle imperfections like your nose profile are beautiful! I sometimes find myself wishing I'd kept my original profile because I never actually had a problem with that, but these days the beauty industry advocates for a sort of very small, straight, 'boopable' nose, and once you're in that consultation room surgeons can begin to point out things that you were never aware of/insecure about that are 'wrong'. Thanks for covering this topic - there is just so much to unpack!

[@wkt2506]

Keep telling your story its powerful. *nuance* - *realness* - *pragmatism* are the answers to the internet.

[@JaY-nn6ss]

I found your hand gesture extra sweet, when you were talking about 'fox eye' trend. I was thinking "omg, here comes again" and you were doing everything but actually doing what it used to insult asian lol Also, I personally agree "male gaze" theory. Such phenomenon was pretty much alive 10 years ago, in South Korea. selling makeup look or clothes, saying that "what your boyfriend wanna see you wearing", "You can totally find a new bf with those looks", "make guy's heart beat" and since 2018 or so, I definitely witnessed women totally pissed off by such ideas and even boycotted! haha

[@darlalathan6143]

What a great idea!

[@clairechocolate12]

👍👍👍

[@julianlastname6948]

is plastic surgery empowering, or do you feel more comfortable now that you will be better accepted? i wanted plastic surgery, not because i think it’s feminist, but because i know i will get treated better if i do

[@zoec3403]

at least you are honest with yourself

[@user-ju2ut2dj1l]

Beauty standards do dictate a lot on how women are treated and its no surprise that many women seek surgery that pushes them more to the ideal of the standard. Its a very valid response to how oppressive beauty standards can be

[@sandrae2398]

excellent point

[@ivankam532]

oof..

[@karinah7857]

I want it because I will feel more comfortable feeling as if I am fitting into the beauty standard I want to sort of go out and not worry that I’m look ugly and yes that comes from me catering to the male gaze

[@su3009]

i hate it when people try to make every act either feminist or anti-feminist. plastic surgery isn't feminist and that's okay!! but that doesn't mean it's anti feminist. i don't get the need people have to make everything black and white.

[@anitajones8706]

You’re changing your body to fit into a beauty standard created by men. Men are profiting off of women’s insecurities. That’s as anti feminist as you can get

[@su3009]

@@anitajones8706 okay then do we call makeup, certain fashion styles and similar things anti feminist? we don't. so why would we do it for plastic surgery?

[@ollieno971]

Yes!! I use to be very “if it makes you happy then do it!” But I’ve changed my mind a lot over the years.

[@kristinastavri3273]

so I did my dissertation on self-objectification (i.e internalised male gaze) and a lot of studies have found that if you engage in it then u can experience negative effects like depression and anxiety. Also, interestingly women who were put in a situation where self-objectification would be activated like wearing a swimsuit performed worse on cognitive tests than the control group. Crazzzy

[@sophboysoph5246]

Ohhhh I'd love to read that!

[@TheBeadlesForever]

So interesting! I recently listened to a man interesting podcast that briefly mentioned something similar, a psychologist interviewed sex workers and she found they would use words to speak about their bodys as if they were an object rather than a sense of self! And mentioned the lower self esteem etc. The podcast was called sex work and objectification of women by HeadFirst with Dr. Mollie Kate Richardson

[@micnik3573]

On the topic of swimsuits I seriously cant find one that covers the asscheeks well, they all have asscheeks out and its annoying as fck to try and shop for them anywhere. They keep getting more and more revealing each year

[@zaliaLP]

@@micnik3573 I've seen this swimsuit brand on tiktok that does swimsuits that look like short rompers! Can't remember the name though

[@mashaalsajid959]

Would love to read that!

[@boobear7807]

someone who comes to mind when you were talking about denying plastic surgery and then marketing their own products to their audience promising the same results is JLO Also, I would have never guessed you were insecure about your nose, I love your nose!! It's perfect for the rest of your face, but up to you :)

[@ayanna6327]

Me too. JLO literally tried to say it was olive oil that helped her maintain a youthful appearance, when she had a face lift 🤦🏾‍♀️ Like yes, olive oil is a good skin care product, but it does not give you the same affect of a face lift.

[@angelarebane1594]

i think kylie jenner aswell. she was asked like way back, has she gotten lip filler and she said no, she just uses different coloured lipsticks. and then came out with a lip kit to get lips like hers... smh

[@ayanna6327]

@@angelarebane1594 Yup. That whole thing was fraudulent advertising.

[@boobear7807]

@@ayanna6327 Yeah exactly!! and if olive oil is her secret why would we buy her products instead of regular olive oil from a grocery store haha

[@boobear7807]

@@angelarebane1594 you're so right, she literally became a billionaire from that scam

[@Ukubayley]

Great video! I definitely relate to your struggle with thoughts about getting a nose job. I've been considering a breast reduction for years now because I've heard so many people talk about how affirming and life-changing they are, but the healing process and downtime have always dissuaded me. Sometimes I feel like I'd be betraying my body if I got one.

[@aniqamiazi6071]

You are so intelligent and eloquent, I always love how thoroughly and interestingly you present your thoughts and ideas. Also, random but you are beautiful with and without makeup! Keep up the good work sis!!! 💖👏🏽

[@kristenbarlow8819]

" hello everybody i hope you're all well " >>>

[@lisamujo287]

I see you quite a lot on certain channels. It’s nice to see you ✨

[@kristenbarlow8819]

@@lisamujo287 nice to see you too ❤ which channels ? 😄

[@lisamujo287]

@@kristenbarlow8819 I can't really name any that come to mind right now but i swear I've seen you on other channels 😅

[@kristenbarlow8819]

@@lisamujo287 yeah I'm all over the place 😂

[@sapphic.flower]

basically women can't win lol. If we don't fit into the beauty standard, we're judged. If we get plastic surgery to appeal to the beauty standard, we're judged. We can't even put on makeup without the possible concept of wearing it is for the sake of the male gaze. You really just gotta be born with the genes that fit into the beauty standard of your time period (that still changes anyways).

[@mads597]

That’s part of what feminism is about, it helps us to outgrow our concern of being judged for this stuff :) freedom!

[@enerie]

honestly at this point do what the fuck you want as long as it doesn’t hurt you or others. shit like this gets so complicated so i just say fuck it.

[@22centipede]

My only concern for these conversations is how it’ll affect me or anyone else as a trans femme person who had Facial Feminisation Surgery and TERFs just using these perfectly valid reasons as an excuse to further invalidate trans femme choices on the alterations they chose to have, most of the time to calm gender dysphoria. Also, I second irene ^ Yes, our choices to alter our bodies through plastic surgery stems from partriachy but tbh at the same time, some, if not, most of us especially trans femmes still doesn’t appease to the “male gaze” if that makes sense. All in all, fir me it’s literally the men/ pick mes that needs to rewire their perception on women, honestly, because as you mentioned it’s literally a lose/win situation for femmes

[@anitajones8706]

True feminism is about female liberation. From beauty standards to male violence

[@carolin2220]

@@22centipede so plastic surgery is only ok for trans women? I think plastic surgery is a personal choice and none of anyone’s business

[@mini2020]

this video was great! i’ve seen a lot of discourse around this on tiktok and it was nice to see a long, well structured video discussing the nuances of this topic. i would definitely love to see a video on pinkwashing. and for what it’s worth, i think your nose looks beautiful on your face :) i know it can be hard to believe coming from someone else, but sometimes it helps to know other people don’t see your “insecurities” the way that you do. so yeah, love your content, can’t wait to see more :)

[@terseduck]

"Differentiate between empowering all women and empowering yourself." SAY IT LOUDER SIS

[@unboxedana9964]

Men adhering to patriarchal beauty standards bc men find masculinity attractive. Mind blown. Such an interesting point.

[@janleonard3101]

That's why they're so into penises and think women feel the same. No, we seriously do not want unsolicited pics of your genitals. 🙄

[@Hyfae]

So weird isn’t it... reminds me of how some guys will have sex with a woman just to brag about it to their friends. Like they do it so they can be admired by other men

[@darlalathan6143]

@@Hyfae That sounds like compulsory heterosexuality to me! This is partly why we have revenge porn and incels! Straight, bi and pan men do not need to be told to have sex with women. They have reflexes, instincts, crushes, and fantasies, already! Ace and aromantic men do not want or need to sleep with anybody. Gays prefer other men. This homophobic social pressure by conservative people is to make men conceive more children, like stud horses and baby factories to tithe in Christian churches, shop and work for corporations and fight in imperialistic foreign wars for oil.

[@darlalathan6143]

@@janleonard3101 I'm thinking these guys are exhibitionists. I got flashed in front of a nightclub by a man while waiting for a Lyft! He mistook me for a sex worker! Fortunately, I had my pepper spray in my chaps pocket and said "Sorry, I'm not in that line of work!"

[@darlalathan6143]

That's because men grew up admiring superheroes, fantasy barbarians, war comics' sergeants, and bodybuilders as role models, lol!

[@cristinaorlando2408]

I think people should do whatever makes them feel beautiful and confident but I don’t think it’s a good idea to make permanent, dangerous changes to yourself to fit a beauty trend that will but obsolete or even considered “unattractive” in a few years. BBLs have the highest mortality rate so what are you going to do if the 90s stick thin trend comes back around.

[@theperson5205]

there’s significant risk to DIE from a bbl? :”)

[@shainachai4807]

@@theperson5205 it’s one of the most dangerous surgeries you can get. 1/3,000 people die

[@leaderoftaehyungnation9766]

@@theperson5205 yep. the surgery takes place near one of the biggest veins in the butt, so if it gets cut or some of the injected fat gets into the vein you could die or get stroke as it blocks oxygen. you could also get ill or die from complications after surgery too 😕😕😕😕

[@hellokitty2552]

@@Moana_moo Uh... Good for you?

[@joelle4226]

I saw this lady got butt injections and there were complications and now she has no arms and legs

[@elena_1776]

I've heard the same argument made about corsets and pole dancing classes. Like people should not be shamed for these things and if you find them enjoyable then go for it, but not everything has to be "empowering" or "feminist". It can just be a fun thing you like.

[@a2point083]

Right

[@chhavisharma7338]

corsets are a whole different story though. i would encourage you to check out katherine zebrowska's videos on them. they don't need to be branded as feminist, but they are not supposed to cater to men either.

[@ohno-wi1vb]

Extremely well spoken, glad this came across my recommended! I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and you really hit all the different aspects of this

[@Yvonnaanderson]

I live in South Korea, one of the plastic surgery capitals. Let me tell you, so many girls here are very insecure about their looks. There are plastic surgery advertisements everywhere you go here. Really, nothing about plastic surgery is empowering or feminist. For example, here, apparently, we need to weaken our calf muscles because it's not "pretty" to have "large" (normal-looking) calf muscles. They've been advertising those injections so hard recently. I wasn't even worried about my calf muscles until Korean society told me to be.

[@nicole9856]

im not korean but i consume a lot of korean media (which isnt the same as living but still PHEW)...i never knew i needed to worry about my slightly round shoulders till kpop idols keep getting praised for them...

[@nickollgarcia2360]

Got a commercial for Nair in this video. Instead of “wow legs so pretty when they’re hairless also buy our product” they said “wow legs so powerful when you self care also buy our product” 😐 they framed it as your choice as a #powerfulwoman to chose this female empowering product ✨

[@pantherette113]

Thank you for this! I've been finding myself increasingly frustrated with the ways people spoke about cosmetic surgery as empowering but was struggling to explain why.

[@okxicc]

I am so grateful for you and your channel! Thank you for doing the videos you do and teaching me some things this pass year. You are truly a gift hon 💕

[@Kaffeyyyyy]

these beauty salon chains that advertise on ig feel so dystopian to me, like "tag 3 of your friends and follow us and you can win a lip injection" or whatever like what is that

[@angelgirld]

i mean i just wanna say, when my mom says she got breast reduction for herself to reduce pain on her back...i believe her. because i inherited my chest from her.

[@margauxroussel3153]

In this case the surgery’s goal was not beauty, so you’re right, Jordan’s points don’t apply in this case

[@Linitt]

Thank you so much for this video!!! I was thinking about this trend for quite a long time and I came to some conclusions. People don’t live in a vacuum, with a help of social media we’re always surrounded by beauty standards that are inspired by the male gaze. Women who do ps are not doing it “for themselves”. They make their faces and bodies appeal to male gaze beauty standards because when you’re conventionally attractive, it’s a lot more easier to function in this patriarchal society that is ruled by men. Ps is not empowering, women just trying to success in society, and nobody could criticise them for this

[@sevastilouta5984]

Thank you so much for this video!!! I've thought about this for so long and I'm glad someone with a platform can inform the younger people that are the main targets of such a mentality

[@cinthiamagana1502]

I couldnt stop thinking about the phrase "you're not ugly, you're just poor"

[@aimenfatima7713]

what you said about internalised male gaze theory not leaving room for discussing self expression is SO on point and i feel like it isn’t talked about enough. great video as always Jordan!

[@alfiona7951]

Ikr. Personally I don't wear make up but I enjoy watching make up artists on KZbin. It's just how I feel comfortable. I'm not "fighting the patriarchy", I'm just tryna do what's comfortable for ME. So that theory doesn't even leave room for the fact that Women are actual humans with interests and comforts.

[@aimenfatima7713]

@@alfiona7951 exactly! and i’m guessing you’re often accused of being an nlog or pick me if you say you don’t wear makeup? because women can’t do anything without being criticised for it apparently

[@TheBookLeo]

i love that whenever i watch a new video of yours I realise I am on the exact same side of tiktok as you are

[@arielleb7770]

I absolutely agree with everything you said in the video. I too go back and forth in my mind thinking about getting a nose job. I actually really like my nose from the front, but from the side profile it's a curved downwards. Which is the opposite of what is trendy rn with the upturned elf noses all over IG. But I always come back to realizing I still have a cute nose and I actually like that it is unique in a way. Also looking at other women with a similar nose shape and seeing how absolutely gorgeous they are and how it's one of their best features really helps me like mine.

[@audreybd420]

I had so much internalized misogyny when I was a teenager and during most of my 20s. It makes me sad to think that I would've dismissed this channel just bc Jordan Theresa is pretty and feminine and likes to put on make-up. I was so used to think that was somehow a bad thing, and that girls who did that were dumb, but I was envious at the same time... So toxic. This channel is amazing. Go to hell, 20 y/o me (or to therapy ffs)

[@nicole71047]

Thinking you are rebellion not liking “girly” but actually feeding internalized misogyny 😪

[@anonymous-zs9rn]

I feel you... I used to immediately dismiss and not want to do everything considered feminine, from clothes to wanting a family and children. All because I was feeling uncomfortable with myself and my body and hated being a woman, so i tried to be as "manly" as i could.

[@arcane1282]

@@nicole71047 um no. It’s not “ internalized misogyny” at all sis. Maybe she just doesn’t like girly things or conventionally “ feminine” things. Also, there’s nothing wrong with like those things as long as you aren’t doing it for men, which is really hard to find because most girls today do all these feminine things for men. You can’t deny that, which is why a lot of girls go against girly things because it’s a trap of patriarchy.

[@whoknowsatthispoint7508]

Not being feminine isn't internalized misogyny. You wouldn't call feminine men "internally misandrists" because it's literally just a style of gender expression. Also, some women feel empowered by not being feminine because they're throwing aside what's expected of them and their gender to express themselves. Yes, girls who hate feminine girls or who are "not like other girls" girls are internally misogynistic, but tomboy does not equal internally misogynistic.

[@seanbalogun1108]

@@whoknowsatthispoint7508 that would be like saying harry styles wearing a dress is a cuck or a beta male

[@Rainlichen]

So I’m thinking about your question of “why do women like adornment of themselves outside of the heteronormative male gaze” and I think it’s important to refer to Kristen Leo’s latest video about the ways in which the patriarchy changed traditional matriarchal customs and beauty standards by imposing minimalism and colonialism onto historical tribal women, and the erasure of women’s contributions to society and culture through their clothing and other creations. I think the Kristen Leo Video is called Minimalsm is Facism and it was like so on point and kinda mind-blowing to have her break it all down. Also some great tiktok creators calling out Gucci etc for racist ads featured in there. Check it out!! Feels relevant to this discussion!! And thank you for making videos! I’ve always appreciated your candid and open, honest, analytical and unapologetically feminine approach to so many important issues. 🌈⭐️🔥

[@Naomi-rf1bl]

I saw the same video it's very good

[@meltem3718]

I can't find the video anywhere, does anyone have a link for me?

[@x._.5295]

@@meltem3718 I think the title was the cult-like operating of the fashion industry. It's the second to last video☺️

[@emmcrosskey560]

Yes! I loved that video it was so interesting!

[@timingmile7030]

That video was really mindblowing. Kristen Leo's videos have really shown me how women were pushed out of the industries they created and then forced to become consumers. And why luxury brands fucking suck, they destroyed women tailors and creators, stole their ideas and then have profited off them ever since.

[@s.mclovin800]

Nobody talks about the side affects of all these surgeries its not all glitz and glam and it can mess you up years later but society wont push that part.