Is RED MEAT Bad For You? | Stan Efferding & Damon McCune Talk Beef, Cancer & Cholesterol

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@cailerwoolam
@cailerwoolam 6 жыл бұрын
Vegan gains is about to have a heart attack over this video
@phuckme7554
@phuckme7554 6 жыл бұрын
Don’t worry bruh! You’re a lot more likely to have an MI than vegan gains with the amount of gear you inject into your body.
@MrBreakingbad
@MrBreakingbad 6 жыл бұрын
That fat fuck is gonna take his own life due to severe depression caused by malnutrition.
@BeamRider100
@BeamRider100 6 жыл бұрын
all those carbs are bad for the heart for sure.
@digs1223
@digs1223 6 жыл бұрын
he's probably going green(er) with rage as we speak.
@knoblauchdittrich7412
@knoblauchdittrich7412 6 жыл бұрын
Can't. Going vegan prevents that.
@AcousticMadness
@AcousticMadness 6 жыл бұрын
My grandpa was a logger, a farmer and a hardworking man in Finland. Taking care of their farm and family with my grandma and that's where they lived most of their lives. They raised their food at the farm and got the rest of it from the forest. Lots, of meat, fish, butter, dairy, potatoes, berries, mushrooms etc. Neither one of them never smoke cigarettes or drank a lot of alcohol. As long as i remember he was always in shape and strong. Never got too bulky he was always lean. He lived long healthy life till he passed away last year in the age of 94. My grandma is still alive she's 88 years old.
@skaizu
@skaizu 5 жыл бұрын
Jospa oikeesti tietäisit mitä noi kaikki aiheuttaa keholle.
@defenderoftheadverb
@defenderoftheadverb Жыл бұрын
Funny you should mention Finland. They had the highest incidence of heart disease in the world before a doctor who was interested in nutrition started a campaign to wean the folk off dairy and cholesterol and on to berries. It was a big success and their rate of heart disease dropped to the same level as Italy's. That bloke was subsequently elected President of Finland.
@mass9047
@mass9047 6 жыл бұрын
People need to realise that the optimal diet for training isn't the optimal diet for health, and the optimal diet for health isn't the optimal diet for training. Stop pretending it's the same thing.
@qtr2244
@qtr2244 6 жыл бұрын
Best comment on this video. Well said.
@freshasadaisy4782
@freshasadaisy4782 6 жыл бұрын
thats a good point bc like vegans claim if you dont feel well on a plant based diet your gut health is in question wich should be fixed in the first place. according to them we ALL thrive on a plant based diet without exceptions. I dont think thats true especially when we think about milk and how different tribes in the world can handle the digestion of it. Europeans have a hard time digesting lots of fruits. we all are the same but different.
@mirkomilojkovic2129
@mirkomilojkovic2129 6 жыл бұрын
I agree you are totaly right.
@Nobo35
@Nobo35 6 жыл бұрын
This is spot on perfect. Literally the best answer you could give. However, this topic has become a political issue and people seem to get triggered when its brought up. Politics only persuade the simple;) Don't seek or change info to fit your agenda, change your agenda to fit the info.
@quix99
@quix99 6 жыл бұрын
If you health is optimal, then why isnt your performance?? I went vegan, lost 30lbs in 3 months and felt like total shit. Dick stopped workin, zero performance, tired pea proteins..fuck that. I started eating eggs and gained 15lbs back in a week. Diet is user dependent, not 1 person is the same when it comes to anything. Why does winstrol give me gyno??. I personally feel better with more beef in my diet and only consume carbs around training time, but to each is their own.
@nothingtoitbuttodoit
@nothingtoitbuttodoit 6 жыл бұрын
What helps build more muscle? Steroids, red meat, or The Kooler?
@nigel4442
@nigel4442 6 жыл бұрын
Alonzo Lopez great one
@dustinherrick7205
@dustinherrick7205 6 жыл бұрын
The Kooler, hands down
@TimmyTurner421
@TimmyTurner421 6 жыл бұрын
The Kooler for sure
@danstennis1817
@danstennis1817 6 жыл бұрын
Definitely the Kooler
@mrsandura78
@mrsandura78 6 жыл бұрын
Alonzo Lopez The Kooler 🤣😂
@Marque734
@Marque734 5 жыл бұрын
Just watched this while having a tasty steak
@toximan2008
@toximan2008 6 жыл бұрын
unregulated consumption of simple carbohydrates + hot-pressed oils + sedentary lifestyle is far more damaging to health than red meat alone what is more concerning is the nitrates/nitrites/phosphates and hormones added to and cured in meat than the meat itself
@alexjoneswasright1274
@alexjoneswasright1274 6 жыл бұрын
My grandparents farmed all there lives they ate tons of red meat in there lives I remember as a kid eating t bone steaks and baked potato’s my grandma lived to be 88 my grandpa lived to be 92
@JR-RKO
@JR-RKO 6 жыл бұрын
I've been following Stan tips regarding eating more red meat, fruits, rice and getting more sleep. For myself, there is no denying the benefit. I have been training for 25 years and have made more progress in the last 6 months then in the last 10 years. Keep in mind that I am a few years past 40 and steroid/TRT free. My lifts are going up and my physique is the best it has ever been. I am not getting older, I am getting better (hope it stays that way)
@jc30005
@jc30005 6 жыл бұрын
I wish everyone who sees this, whatever food choices you make. Good health 🙂
@Moshealthtips
@Moshealthtips 6 жыл бұрын
i dont care for the vertical diet but the 16oz of meat hes recommending per day for the average person isnt alot at all
@JohnnyBunning
@JohnnyBunning 6 жыл бұрын
I'm not going to attack their credentials like some of the commentators, or the fact that they use steroids, that's not as important, lets look at the question of whether or not dietary cholesterol impacts blood cholesterol. So blood cholesterol is important because it indicates the likelihood of having a cardiac event (heart attack, stroke etc.) A lot of studies that show that dietary cholesterol has minimal impact on blood cholesterol are funded by industry. They use tricks to manipulate the results. The way dietary cholesterol impacts blood cholesterol is simple. If you take someone who consumes very little dietary cholesterol and add dietary cholesterol, their blood cholesterol will be significantly impacted. If you take someone who already consumes a decent amount of dietary cholesterol and add more to it, it will have a much smaller impact. The biggest impact is in the initial amount added to diet, the impact gets less and less, the more you add. If you take someone who eats a massive amount of cholesterol and add more, it will have little to no impact, because the standard american diet has a very high starting point in regards to how much cholesterol we consume, which is why these studies often show a minimal increase in blood cholesterol after adding more to the diet. In order to do a proper study, you need to control for how much cholesterol they consumed daily leading up to the start of the study, taking an average population that consumes lots of cholesterol is insufficient and findings from those results should be ignored. Here is a meta-analysis done on this topic: citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.549.6029&rep=rep1&type=pdf A brief summary at the end of it: "Serum cholesterol concentration is clearly increased by added dietary cholesterol but the magnitude of predicted change is modulated by baseline dietary cholesterol. The greatest response is expected when baseline dietary cholesterol is near zero, while little, if any, measurable change would be expected once baseline dietary cholesterol was > 400-500 mg/d. People desiring maximal reduction of serum cholesterol by dietary means may have to reduce their dietary cholesterol to minimal levels (< 100-150 mg/d) to observe modest serum cholesterol reductions while persons eating a diet relatively rich in cholesterol would be expected to experience little change in serum cholesterol after adding even large amounts of cholesterol to their diet."
@only1michaelpenny
@only1michaelpenny 6 жыл бұрын
The last sentence in your 1st paragraph is false. So there's no need to read the rest of your rant.
@deadcakesandpanlifts2019
@deadcakesandpanlifts2019 6 жыл бұрын
Cholesterol is an important hormone,its not neccesserily a poison. Your whole argument is based on that. Dietery cholesterol doesnt raise cholesterol levels beyond healthy cholesterol levels,but when the body is low on cholesterol as you mentioned it can help bring it up to par.
@Nobo35
@Nobo35 6 жыл бұрын
@@only1michaelpenny , you're false. So, everything you say is too simple and pathetic to even acknowledge:/
@ryanturner8577
@ryanturner8577 6 жыл бұрын
Diet means almost nothing pending the genetics, activity level, and enviroment. The Amish have some of the lowest rates of heart disease and cardiac events, diabetes, lowest rates of obesity as a sub group, extremely low cancer rates, and same average life span without the use of modern medical technology. Why? They move twice (almost 3x) as a much as the average American. Yet they eat red meats, bacon/pork, eggs, milk, fatty foods like gravy, butter, etc. They also have little stress and no technology. They eat only natural whole food they produce or kill. Of course genetics plays a part as well. See the difference? Diet is only one aspect. As said, correlation doesn't equal causation. The qualitative analysis of all these studies are so poor it's almost hysterical. Background knowledge on all the other multiple planes of factors is much more important than just food. Nutrition is the most simple, yet made the most complex by people. Science only tells you so much. Science cannot deny what is. It can only offer an explanation, which for nutrition, is still murky.
@MrBreakingbad
@MrBreakingbad 6 жыл бұрын
He is right! Please don't consume meat! With the help and sacrifice of the vegans I hope we'll keep the meat prices in check :D I also support gay men for reducing the competition for the high quality women that are quite scarce.
@cognacbraun1
@cognacbraun1 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Really enjoyed Damon weighing in on the topic from a more scholarly perspective. Thumbs up!
@eyeofthetiger666satan
@eyeofthetiger666satan 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks to stan on educating me. I now eat top sirloin steak twice a day and feel great.
@SKgyebaek
@SKgyebaek 6 жыл бұрын
Ive had red meat my entire life but always with a balanced diet. I always get plenty of greens, herbs and antioxidants with every meal with low GI carbs. My blood cholesterol levels are below average.
@thenorthman9475
@thenorthman9475 6 жыл бұрын
My grandfather 20 years ago was told by his cardiologist that red meat is the best thing for him. Chicken is the worst.
@guydecervens
@guydecervens 6 жыл бұрын
Red blood cell increase is one of my problems with red meat. It's already 17.5 everytime I give blood (4 time a year- the max allowed where I live) so I have to do without red meat. I miss it
@Jensenr8r
@Jensenr8r 5 жыл бұрын
Just eat lentils, good source of folate.
@pablomenendezz
@pablomenendezz 6 жыл бұрын
did you seriously bring stan efferding when it comes to talking about red meat? jesus christ this is like listening to trump arguing about the "non-existing" climate change
@tu0m225
@tu0m225 6 жыл бұрын
Also notice this other guy works to an assosiation that is basically advertising red meat.
@HenriHuikuri
@HenriHuikuri 6 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Efferding is just pushing his own agenda ie: Vertical Diet which is just another cult like diet to make some $$$. Nothing magical about it. It’s a great diet template for sure but like I said absolutely nothing magical about it. Nothing new under the sun, just a different package to wrap old shit up. Hey let’s eat a high protein diet with veggies and shit that has a great micronutrient content. What an amazing invention 😂
@qtr2244
@qtr2244 6 жыл бұрын
Of course he's pro red meat. What exactly what you were expecting? You can find information supporting both sides...fairly obvious what you were going to find here.
@alozor13
@alozor13 6 жыл бұрын
TDS
@deadcakesandpanlifts2019
@deadcakesandpanlifts2019 6 жыл бұрын
@@HenriHuikuri and thatd exactly whats written in the first page and introduction of the vertical diet,that its not a magical diet and it simply is the most optimal way. All the people who criticize Stan seem to have never heard him talking.
@larppa666
@larppa666 6 жыл бұрын
With processed and unprocessed red meat there is huge differences in health risks according to studies.
@Satisfakchin
@Satisfakchin 6 жыл бұрын
i love how "hot beverages" was on the list of carcinogens
@mr1337viking
@mr1337viking 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah like wtf? I thought green tea was the most healthy thing in the world, and now it supposedly causes cancer...
@anand8905
@anand8905 5 жыл бұрын
I think it has to do more with the heat of the beverage slowly eating away at your insides while going down?! Which makes sense somewhat @@mr1337viking
@Jensenr8r
@Jensenr8r 5 жыл бұрын
I think it might be the acrylimides.
@Steve-dv4hy
@Steve-dv4hy 5 жыл бұрын
It's because of the cell damage from the heat.
@gamecockphil
@gamecockphil 5 жыл бұрын
Eat all the red meat you want along with supplementing all the 90 essential nutrients the body has to have. Give the body what it needs and the body self corrects everything. Sickness and disease can't dwell or stay in a body that is getting all essential 60 minerals , 13 vitamins , 12 amino acids , and 3 fatty acids. And cholesterol is an essential nutrient and has never caused a sickness or disease in the body. If you are on cholesterol meds and stay on them then you are alzeimers and dementia patient waiting to happen.
@johna6838
@johna6838 5 жыл бұрын
Hey man this is some great info. I just started the vertical diet and it’s going well so far but the “red meat haters” continue to haunt my conscience. Would you mind providing some more info that I can read up on regarding what you’re saying? It sounds spot on and I would love to learn more.
@gamecockphil
@gamecockphil 5 жыл бұрын
@@johna6838 I have a wholesale membership to Zija international which is the only company I buy my plant based all natural nutrition from but Dr. Joel Wallach's videos on KZbin are the best health info anyone can get and he does have a company as well that I would buy my nutrition from if Zija cease to exist. But Zija hands down is the very best health company in the world and with free no strings attached memberships it's awesome. Been on Zija products for 6 years and there is nothing even close with just one product I take twice a day for all my 90 essentials with focus and energy for all my complete nutrition along with a vertical type diet which I have always done. At 50 no sickness or disease has a chance to develop or stay in my body. Cleanse , balance , build along with vertical diet is what I do everyday. For everything on training the right way I only watch videos with Stan efferding , Mike O'hearn , Brian Shaw mostly. When it comes to perfect health I listen to Dr. Joel Wallach first and foremost , Dr. Lindsay Duncan , Dr. Joshua Plant with Zija , Dr. Russ Bianchi , Dr. Russell Blaylock and a few others.
@patrickriley9368
@patrickriley9368 5 жыл бұрын
Articles I have read say: "people who eat red meat are at an increased risk of death from heart disease, stroke or diabetes." Can you tell me what makes those people at an increased risk of death from heart disease, stroke or diabetes? In other words what is it about the red meat that makes people have that increased risk?
@kurt4566
@kurt4566 2 жыл бұрын
Correlation
@BIGT-tg4gu
@BIGT-tg4gu 6 жыл бұрын
The masi tribe in Africa eat 100% protein diet consisting of cows blood milk and meat and they have near super human cardio and can run for miles and miles without breaking a sweat . They are known for their incredible endurance . Take that vegans .
@jondevans8872
@jondevans8872 5 жыл бұрын
BIG T they also have coronary artery disease. I’m more concerned with not dying. Also the best distance runners eat primarily starch.
@mr.d_88
@mr.d_88 5 жыл бұрын
Great talk, very informative. Camera guy having a hard time eh?
@Bryzgyman
@Bryzgyman 6 жыл бұрын
But i still think, that the constantly bloated, joint pain having vegans are right. Also that chinese guy, who was vegan for 40 years and then died from massive heart attack at 66.. Btw. Thanks Stan for your diet. My type 1 diabetes compensation is better than ever, my strength is better and i feel great.
@anthonybarrasso5088
@anthonybarrasso5088 2 жыл бұрын
If u have Cancer. Correctal Cancer specifically. How would u tweak the Vertical Diet? Taking specifically about the “treatment phase,” not prevention or post Tx phase. Seems ideal in that it’s based on whole, clean and lowfodmap foods (ideal for those with ileostomy bags) but would have to tweak ur protein source away from red meat, based on the anabolic response and the idea it will promote growth among both healthy and unhealthy cells. Would appreciate any insights. Thank you.
@talibaraim9280
@talibaraim9280 6 жыл бұрын
Can we have a debate between pro red, and anti red...just to see who got a better argument, and see both sides?
@tu0m225
@tu0m225 6 жыл бұрын
Can we have a depate with this guy whose job is to sell beef and a doctor in medicine or a qualified nutrionist.
@fullcend-tkm73
@fullcend-tkm73 6 жыл бұрын
Only animal products for the last 6 months for the most part 3 - 4 lbs beef per day at times Just had lipid profile done and it was perfect....its posted on my youtube and my doc had no issue with it at all. Very rarely will I eat a veggie almost never Eat salt Eat real butter Eat meat Drink water LIVE LONG LIFE I excercise 5 - 6 days a week
@Thatguyozz0305
@Thatguyozz0305 4 жыл бұрын
This is awesome guys I love their work
@Cemselvi1988
@Cemselvi1988 6 жыл бұрын
Guess we should listen to Dr. Rhino for health advice on food, lol
@VerySeriousUser
@VerySeriousUser 6 жыл бұрын
Why not?
@Qwerty_789
@Qwerty_789 6 жыл бұрын
because he is SELLING YOU SOMETHING
@VerySeriousUser
@VerySeriousUser 6 жыл бұрын
@@Qwerty_789 No, he's not.
@ImperatorBaldo
@ImperatorBaldo 6 жыл бұрын
@@Qwerty_789 He is not selling anything. The Vertical diet He created ANYONE can learn it, it is Free .
@GhostSamaritan
@GhostSamaritan 6 жыл бұрын
@@ImperatorBaldo But they do sell a fucking food subscription on their website. 🤦‍♂️
@tu0m225
@tu0m225 6 жыл бұрын
Person whose job is basically promote beef tells you that red meat is superfood and not unhealthy at all. Of course you believe him since he talked about studies and used fancy words... don't believe everything folks. And i'm really disappointed that supertraining is posting this kind of propaganda. Btw. I eat red meat and I am aware of it's real studied health risks.
@VerySeriousUser
@VerySeriousUser 6 жыл бұрын
So what are the real studies health risks? You also talked about studies and by your own reasoning that is the only reason someone believes you but you imply that people should not. Silly argument.
@tu0m225
@tu0m225 6 жыл бұрын
@@VerySeriousUser www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6123610/ here is the first review article I found in a one minute. With more search in pubmed you can find a lot of studies on this subject.
@tu0m225
@tu0m225 6 жыл бұрын
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23001745/?i=3&from=red%20meat%20cholesterol&filters=MetaAnalysis
@VerySeriousUser
@VerySeriousUser 6 жыл бұрын
Did you notice how basically all studies the meta study used (except 1) says "red meat and processed meats"?
@tu0m225
@tu0m225 6 жыл бұрын
@@VerySeriousUser So you think they didn't separate red meat and processed meat in those studies or what? I really don't have time to acctually check every single article but atleast in the review article (the second link) they were separated. And this is not really the point here. Are you willing to believe these two guys just like that with two not so conclusive studies without any critisism even though you have so much critic on my comment? I just want that people use their brain and don't just believe literally a guy whose job is to sell read meat. No one has to believe me or the studies I posted but why would you believe these two here?
@Gator762-v3o
@Gator762-v3o 5 жыл бұрын
Both of these guys are making a lot of money by saying that red meat is not bad for you, Damon McCune is even on the California beef council, how can it get more biased than that? lolll
@spiritual_hypertrophy
@spiritual_hypertrophy 5 жыл бұрын
That's actually a fair point, but people want to continue to eat beef, so they're not going to address it.
@wildcard749
@wildcard749 4 жыл бұрын
hes also a registered dietician so hes more qualified than you? and how does ppl eating red meat put money in their pocket? they arent ranchers 😂😂
@BIGT-tg4gu
@BIGT-tg4gu 6 жыл бұрын
As long as you keep a fast gut transit by consuming enough fibre I think the risks are really low . Cancer is only a concern if the red meats sat in your gut for extended periods .
@RohannvanRensburg
@RohannvanRensburg 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not even convinced fiber is that necessary in particular situations. Carnivore diets would hypothetically plug people up and they absolutely do not.
@SomenathChakraborty
@SomenathChakraborty 4 жыл бұрын
The Perfect mantra sould be balance nutrients, DHA , right amount of Protein with regular exercises.
@jpsr20det
@jpsr20det 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video.! And one thruth history from my familie , we came from old farmers my grand fathers for both families live up to 103 and 99 years respectly they always drink raw milk eat a lot red meat and fats (butter , olive oil, eggs etc) almost never got sick ,etc im doing the same stuff ,and all of the join pain ,back pain is almost disapier and feel good and strong as fuck , perdon my french . Regards !!
@dkvikingkd233
@dkvikingkd233 5 жыл бұрын
How on earth could red meat possibly be bad for you given our evolution!? On the contrary it must be very good for us if not necessary for most..
@Hittdogg17
@Hittdogg17 5 жыл бұрын
had to watch this again... yup i been doing eye of round roasts in crockpot with chicken stock.. it falls apart with a fork. pull the roast out and set pot in fridge when fat solidifies remove it.. set the roast back into fat free juices and shred it up
@edmahonejr.9364
@edmahonejr.9364 5 жыл бұрын
Hell yea...put some on a hard roll with broth...
@garryjohnbrewer512
@garryjohnbrewer512 6 жыл бұрын
Would love to hear your views on reheating red meat. Does this compromise the integrity of the nutrients or cause digestion issues? I've heard you talk about not reheating rice. Do the same rules apply? @stanefferding
@jc30005
@jc30005 6 жыл бұрын
Garry John Brewer good question. I’ll try and find out.
@drdamonmccune
@drdamonmccune 6 жыл бұрын
Depends on the degree to which you reheat the meat, Garry. If you reheat the meat to an extremely high level (beyond safe cooking temperatures), you may be able to denature some of the proteins and impact the integrity of the micronutrients such as iron and B vitamins.
@jc30005
@jc30005 6 жыл бұрын
This is the reply from Stan. - ‘Nope. Cooking meat doesn’t affect the important micronutrients’
@garryjohnbrewer512
@garryjohnbrewer512 6 жыл бұрын
jc30005 thanks JC. Relieved to know.
@garryjohnbrewer512
@garryjohnbrewer512 6 жыл бұрын
Damon McCune thanks damon
@BeamRider100
@BeamRider100 6 жыл бұрын
Red meat is good for you.
@markvserik
@markvserik 6 жыл бұрын
Damon McCune is on the California beef council, how objective can you expect his statements to be?
@spiritual_hypertrophy
@spiritual_hypertrophy 5 жыл бұрын
Ok. But from what i understand, eating meat has a very large carbon footprint, and the oceans are being depleted to rapidly and so no matter the health and performance benefits, for the sake of my children and their children, i am reducing my meat and fish consumption to basically zero. This is my OPINION based on what i know so far, i am eating technically a vegan whole-foods plant-based diet, i still can improve my digestion and i am working on it BUT i am NOT identifying as a vegan and i am NOT telling anyone what they should do, i'm just sharing my experience with an open mind, and i try to listen to everybody with an open mind.
@MrCarlof
@MrCarlof 6 жыл бұрын
redmeat -> neu5gc-> jeff nippards interview with kamal patel (examine)
@Bathoggywinger
@Bathoggywinger 5 жыл бұрын
Jeff's interview with him was really good.
@pacocardenas3320
@pacocardenas3320 6 жыл бұрын
The truth is no one knows anything for certain, your mindset and positivity about your life are very important for health and we’re all going to die one day so fuck it I’m going to eat meat and enjoy it!
@matthewdruken7832
@matthewdruken7832 6 жыл бұрын
That study was funded by the Beef check off Program... but they "had no role in the design and conduct of the study"
@GetFitStayFit1
@GetFitStayFit1 Жыл бұрын
Wish there was no outside noise.
@Keppie6
@Keppie6 6 жыл бұрын
Amazing all the clueless people in the comments. America has a high cancer and heart disease percentage because of the high amount of sugars and trans fat in the Standard American diet.
@VerySeriousUser
@VerySeriousUser 6 жыл бұрын
I was just gonna write something similar. I was truly stumped reading the comments! They seem to assume that Stan is promoting red meat because he eats lots of it and not that he eats lots of it because he concluded it is a good thing.
@Bullitt1768
@Bullitt1768 6 жыл бұрын
Those definitely aid to the reason but you can't rule out Red meat on that assumption. I love my meat but putting 1-2+lbs of meat a day down is going to be taxing on the internals.
@MarkW87
@MarkW87 6 жыл бұрын
And lack of exercise.
@Hanuman_
@Hanuman_ 6 жыл бұрын
All the vegans in the comment need to stop.
@BeamRider100
@BeamRider100 6 жыл бұрын
You'd think they would after Rich died. So it's open season on them now.
@karlbooklover
@karlbooklover 6 жыл бұрын
You can't dismiss population studies just because it is harder to identify the causing factors. First of all, the reason no clinical trials are performed to test cancer-causing food is that it is unethical to do so. Second, some population studies are very well set up so that confounding factors are hugely reduced and easy to identify. If many high-quality population studies point to meat as a causing factor (as they do) then if you are a logical reasoning person, you should really consider that there is something to it instead of rambling "correlation does not equal causation."
@Yakushii
@Yakushii 6 жыл бұрын
Neither of these two are at all educated on dietary regimens. One is a kinesiologist, and the other is a pretty fit dude. Neither of which qualifies you to talk about this stuff.
@Hittdogg17
@Hittdogg17 5 жыл бұрын
that must make you a moron
@wildcard749
@wildcard749 4 жыл бұрын
damons a registered dietician you tool 😂
@deadlata9767
@deadlata9767 2 жыл бұрын
Doctors came up with the disastrous food pyramid. I’m sure you are also aware that your logical fallacy is appeal to authority.
@gamebred26
@gamebred26 6 жыл бұрын
My opinion based on research... is that we are all stamped with an genetic expiration date from birth. You can only increase or decrease that time by say %5-10 with diet. lifestyle and exercise. Hence why you have people who live to 100 who eat bacon, drink whiskey, sat around and smoke everyday....and those who ate clean or plant based..ran lifted stayed thin were "fit" and drop dead at 50 of a massive heart attack. So fuck it do what makes you happy. You dont want to eat meat cause you love animals ...or you suck down a steak a day cause you want to be jacked with a juicy pump all day. But dont try to justify it for health reasons. Cause that shit is BS.
@deavman
@deavman 6 жыл бұрын
I clicked on the " like" button because they used( their preferred) science. I am 100% plant based though. To each his own.
@RohannvanRensburg
@RohannvanRensburg 3 жыл бұрын
People are individuals and different diets work for different people, but it is abundantly clear that a meat based diet is more efficiently conducive to muscle growth and can be way easier on the digestive system for many people. This doesn't mean you can't be plant based and get good results, but some aspects of this are well established.
@CDMix12
@CDMix12 6 жыл бұрын
These comments just make me smdh....
@qeithwreid7745
@qeithwreid7745 6 жыл бұрын
I’m a doctor and I like science. This guy is credible.
@Ownage31337
@Ownage31337 5 жыл бұрын
Lmao best comment
@caletoews8003
@caletoews8003 6 жыл бұрын
Without watching, if you know anything about Stan, you know he will say of course not.
@benolielandria2604
@benolielandria2604 6 жыл бұрын
For at least the last two years my diet almost consisted of steak and egg, tuna on a daily basis, lot of fiber and low carb. My blood work is perfect... I fear carb that fuck your blood sugar level, not meat.
@mrben0000
@mrben0000 6 жыл бұрын
Whats your opinion about the water footprint on meat vs plants? Especially when living in California you should be more environmentally aware. If you are, how do you give back to the environment to thwart the damage you cause?
@Ismunoz
@Ismunoz 3 жыл бұрын
Eat your probiotics people. Wether you eat meat or follow a vegetable based diet. Gut health is key. Sauerkraut, Kimchi, cultured yogurt etc.
@donbustoarigato2997
@donbustoarigato2997 6 жыл бұрын
Red meat? Really? What about those Blue zones where everyone is not over 250 lbs. But normal size! I limit my intake of this food and my blood work is great for someone in their mid-sixties. I also eat a moderate NOT high protein diet at 196 lbs and Stan's height. Aim for about 90-100 grms a day. Enough to maintain current muscle, maybe even add a small amount. Let's see Stan at 65? When I was his age I was still fairly resilient, lol! And, did I mention I am a lifetime Natty, try that, Sirs! No Doctor I've EVER seen would recommend what you boys are saying.
@Indbolwebelieve
@Indbolwebelieve 6 жыл бұрын
Two guys with the vertical diet shirt having an honest discutions about red meat
@Ainttrippin
@Ainttrippin 5 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@merces47letifer4
@merces47letifer4 4 жыл бұрын
Do you know that Stan gives you a list of everything he recommends so that you can buy it yourself? Or is that a "DISCUTION" you wouldn't want to have?
@tornquad5024
@tornquad5024 5 жыл бұрын
Doesn’t a lot red meat raise creatinine levels
@ohio1986
@ohio1986 6 жыл бұрын
From my personal experience when I cut out red meat and also dairy products my cholesterol numbers dropped almost 40 points. When I went back to eating red meat and dairy, my numbers jumped back up. I have to get my blood checked on the regular do to kidney disease. Personally I would look at red meat and dairy as a treat, not a necessity. What's the point of packing on all that muscle if internally your clogging your arteries, You have to take care of yourself from the inside then the outside will fall in place. my go to was mixed beans and some kind of veggies and sweet potatoes. After my workouts I would have a smoothie that consisted of water, mixed fruit and spinach, or kale. At the end of the day we make are own choices, and it's up to that individual person to decide what's best for them. I just wanted to share what worked for me, and when my blood results were the healthiest
@jc30005
@jc30005 6 жыл бұрын
ohio1986 could be only one causing you a problem. You cut red meat ‘and’ dairy then added both back into your diet. What if you add one back in and leave the other out and then swap the choice around? Have you tried that?
@quix99
@quix99 6 жыл бұрын
You arent a baby cow, so consuming a foreign substance like dairy really fucks with people
@fedswithful
@fedswithful 6 жыл бұрын
Very hot drinks.....? On cancer list WTF
@matthewfrancis9237
@matthewfrancis9237 6 жыл бұрын
Hair dresser exposure and hot drinks over 65° are on the list? 🤣🤣🤣
@richw76
@richw76 6 жыл бұрын
Too much science, it must be wrong, go vegan..... I'm eating about 5oz grass fed ribeye right now, squatting in about 3 hours.
@dylansarna5597
@dylansarna5597 6 жыл бұрын
richw76 squats and steak: the iconic duo
@FrederickTSchurgerDC
@FrederickTSchurgerDC 6 жыл бұрын
For the haters out there, another video that reviews the literature: kzbin.info/www/bejne/borKpGWgZdtjqbc Enjoy your bacon.
@streetrider2487
@streetrider2487 3 жыл бұрын
Main issues with red meat -> Iron overload [ esp in males, Iron is toxic to mammalian cells ] , the high heat used to cook meats causes Nitrosamines which are cancer causing.
@MrCman321
@MrCman321 6 жыл бұрын
Wait if red meat is so good why can't I just be on the carnivore diet always?
@GamingCentralTV1
@GamingCentralTV1 5 жыл бұрын
there was someone on the joe rogan show following a csrnivor diet
@RKO1988
@RKO1988 6 жыл бұрын
Nice job getting an independent source...
@Hunt2EatWild
@Hunt2EatWild 6 жыл бұрын
Why not speak to a cardiologist... Wtf does a kinesiologist know about anything.
@fullcend-tkm73
@fullcend-tkm73 6 жыл бұрын
Most Cardiologists will not speak openly about it because of controlled practices. My doc is keto and she said she feels amazing lost tons of weight and has loads of energy and she can't speak openly to here colleagues about it.
@Hunt2EatWild
@Hunt2EatWild 6 жыл бұрын
@@fullcend-tkm73 total bullshit. Atherosclerosis doesn't care about your fake news. It will kill you regardless.
@Relius36
@Relius36 6 жыл бұрын
I don’t know if you’re trolling or being a complete fucking moron. Considering the fact that a kinesiologist studies the movement of the body. Bioenergetics, exercise physiology, nutrition absorption and partition. He could of done his dissertation on the effects of protein in the human body or whatever he did it in. I don’t know. But he clearly... knows more than you.
@ChrisSmith-lf1yu
@ChrisSmith-lf1yu 6 жыл бұрын
What are the chances they both put there get vertical t shirts on
@arcadeparty4946
@arcadeparty4946 6 жыл бұрын
NSNG 4 Life
@stevend481
@stevend481 6 жыл бұрын
Diets are fads anyways...one week its keto then vegan and now carnivore
@AaronfromEngland1989
@AaronfromEngland1989 6 жыл бұрын
Steven Diahy what about the fried shrimp sandwiches diet ?
@alexshaykevich509
@alexshaykevich509 6 жыл бұрын
This is such an extreme act of mental gymnastics that Stan should go to the Olympics. "Red meat doesn't cause cancer, but if you get cancer, red meat might accelerate it." Well, no shit. Cell mutations cause cancer. What exactly causes those mutations is not always known. But it's precisely certain biochemical environments that might lead to the promotion or suppression of those cancer cells causing them to be an issue or not. Stan is caught in a bit of extreme cognitive dissonance here where he recognises red meat can accelerate tumor growth, but he's hanging on to the irrelevant fact that the meat itself probably doesn't spark the initial mutations that produce the first cancer cells.
@arnobekkers6424
@arnobekkers6424 6 жыл бұрын
Cancer van onley feed on sugar and. Koolhydraten. .. here in Holland cancer is one in three people. That,s very alarming. My brother died from IT and last June my lovley beautyful wife died from cancer . Just stop rating to much sugar
@AaronfromEngland1989
@AaronfromEngland1989 6 жыл бұрын
A cooler within a cooler Sarah hunny
@RazvanSuican
@RazvanSuican 6 жыл бұрын
Stan looks kind of skinny here
@WorldwideDarts
@WorldwideDarts 6 жыл бұрын
Bro science at it's finest
@__-wm9lu
@__-wm9lu 6 жыл бұрын
Probably idgaf
@outlaw565
@outlaw565 Жыл бұрын
Nobody gets out alive.
@adrianleren
@adrianleren 6 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the video Vegangains are going to make on this crap! Good hunting Richard!
@jasonturner6459
@jasonturner6459 5 жыл бұрын
Richard is a joke....
@Lado93
@Lado93 6 жыл бұрын
So why does he have such a vein at his forehead? Why does he have high blood pressure if he is healthy? Roids?
@jirihutecka9020
@jirihutecka9020 6 жыл бұрын
grilled meat with brown/black spots is definitely not healthy and is carcinogenic. I always only boil or steam meat...
@toximan2008
@toximan2008 6 жыл бұрын
great point - meat isn't inherently carcinogenic, but preparing it over open flame will cause it to be confounded that way only steam or stew your meat
@jc30005
@jc30005 6 жыл бұрын
What about in a pan
@jirihutecka9020
@jirihutecka9020 6 жыл бұрын
Same with the egg yolks btw. Egg yolk should be eaten basically raw. So I always soft boil eggs where egg whites are cooked, but egg yolks liquid. Otherwise the cholesterol in the egg yolk gets oxidized and you really don't want to consume oxidized cholesterol... like eggs in some cake recipe or just soft boiled egg. Both are eggs, but completely different impact on the body..
@jirihutecka9020
@jirihutecka9020 6 жыл бұрын
also ok if you don't flip the eggs on the yolks. Just leave the yolk intact. It is far more tastier than scrambled eggs anyway..
@ZaZa-kp9gt
@ZaZa-kp9gt 6 жыл бұрын
No.
@feelzgoodmane6517
@feelzgoodmane6517 6 жыл бұрын
Just googled Damon Mccune and the first response was from the California Beef Council fucking lmao
@AchieveStrength
@AchieveStrength 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, take health info from a steroid user who doesn't have the qualifications needed to give nutrition advice..Haha absurd
@Burog1
@Burog1 6 жыл бұрын
Lol if what y'all vegans say is true than shouldn't Stan be dead by now? Instead of being in shape and having good health lol
@Pr4dat0r
@Pr4dat0r 6 жыл бұрын
I think he has several videos where he discusses the literature
@AchieveStrength
@AchieveStrength 6 жыл бұрын
@@Burog1 who said I'm a vegan? I don't eat meat, but I eat fish and eggs, but I'm not a cholesterol denier, of course dietary cholesterol impacts serum ldl cholesterol, to think otherwise in this day and age is fucking ridiculous
@qtr2244
@qtr2244 6 жыл бұрын
Go away troll.
@qtr2244
@qtr2244 6 жыл бұрын
Oh there ya go, you don't eat meat. Your ideas on meat eaters are immediately invalid. Go check out Vegan Gains, that nut is right up your alley.
@Bb-pq5yw
@Bb-pq5yw 6 жыл бұрын
Keto for life
@BIGT-tg4gu
@BIGT-tg4gu 6 жыл бұрын
Exactly why aren't people doing keto dropping like flies with heart disease, because fat not bad it's sugar that causes heart disease.
@jacoswan
@jacoswan 6 жыл бұрын
look a two doctors discussing nutrition while some one is grinding an axe in the background
@jacoswan
@jacoswan 6 жыл бұрын
duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
@pookz3067
@pookz3067 6 жыл бұрын
Jcream101 most doctors don’t know anything about nutrition and don’t keep up to date with the most recent studies either. Best way is to educate yourself on the science, statistics, and read papers and meta studies. Takes years of investment and education but it’s really the only reliable thing.
@cajunboytrucking5041
@cajunboytrucking5041 5 жыл бұрын
Well said brother
@Enscriptiv
@Enscriptiv 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Going to go over a lot of people's heads.
@johnsoto8796
@johnsoto8796 6 жыл бұрын
First
@vanguard4065
@vanguard4065 6 жыл бұрын
steak chicken fish is all i eat. im 13,000,000,000 years old. TRUMP MAGA.
@jondevans8872
@jondevans8872 5 жыл бұрын
I find it ironic that Stan calls himself the rhino. Rhinos only eat plants. So do elephants, hippos, gorillas, etc. By the way our gut system was designed for plants too.
@jasonturner6459
@jasonturner6459 5 жыл бұрын
Our digestive tract is much different than a rhino or elephant. Also gorillas are considered omnivores
@Ryan_DeWitt
@Ryan_DeWitt 6 жыл бұрын
No, however like anything in excess it can be if eaten too much of for too long.
@BahdVibeZ
@BahdVibeZ 6 жыл бұрын
Deleto this nowo
@AdarshRajCR7
@AdarshRajCR7 6 жыл бұрын
Pay attention to mr efferding... he's breathing hard af just sitting there..!! Smh
@jamelljohnson5002
@jamelljohnson5002 6 жыл бұрын
Adarsh Raj I thought I am the only one who noticed that. He is talking about health but he is breathing wrong. Huge muscle are a deception, does not mean you are necessarily healthy.
@AdarshRajCR7
@AdarshRajCR7 6 жыл бұрын
@@jamelljohnson5002 he is a hypocrite..tells everybody not to do any cardio.Eat rice and red meat all day.Everytime I see his videos he's breathing like an old man.
@jamelljohnson5002
@jamelljohnson5002 6 жыл бұрын
@@AdarshRajCR7 These guys are in the health business for money! They dont care about health. They are deceiving people and in turn end up deceiving themselves. By hurting others with lying information, they hurt themselves. Anyone with common sense knows by eating death in the form of dead animals adds death to your own body. Cant eat death without dying. Fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds have living enzymes within themselves and will add life to oneself.
@misterkeebler
@misterkeebler 6 жыл бұрын
lol if you are that big, you are going to breathe heavier. Go watch any of his Rhino Rhants and listen to him speak for a good 15 to 20 minutes in a perfect cadence, without gasping or taking breaks, stalling with umms, etc. He literally gets compliments almost every rant from how he speaks. And he's never told people not to do cardio...lmao good grief. Athletes don't do that steady state multi hour bs that skinny fat people love to do. They do higher intensity training in short spurts that actually increase VO2 max at a better rate than steady aerobics. You're probably the type of person that sees someone doing 50m farmer walks and would never think it's cardio.
@NesQuik2258
@NesQuik2258 6 жыл бұрын
Mark bell please delete this video lol
@goatinnabox5776
@goatinnabox5776 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah but pollution...so...ya know
@ajdafitnessguy8021
@ajdafitnessguy8021 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone tag vegan gains 🤷🏿
@maciek9947
@maciek9947 6 жыл бұрын
I lover red meat, but this video is comical. A paid off dietician is approving Stans bs diet ? NO WAY
@OKeefeist
@OKeefeist 6 жыл бұрын
This is an irresponsible video
@markbennett-haldane3867
@markbennett-haldane3867 6 жыл бұрын
Lets all go on a carnivore diet durrrrrrrrrrrrrr its what people did thousands of year ago durrrrrrr times change, medicine and diets improve this is straight denial. I honestly wish people like this enjoy problems in later life due to straight denial in early life.
@dkvikingkd233
@dkvikingkd233 5 жыл бұрын
NO! moving on..
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