Is Social Justice A Religion? - Andrew Doyle

Andrew Doyle is Titania McGrath, host of GB News, a comedian and a writer.
There are some new puritans in town. They have their own sacred texts, their own high priests, blasphemy, unspeakable words, rites of passage, heathens and practises of sacrilege. So much so that the behaviour of many social justice activists in 2022 seems to echo very closely the behaviour of the Salem Witch Trials in 1692.
Expect to learn why Ben Shapiros is a terrifying man, whether not calling me hot makes you a bigot, why social justice captures smart people just as much as stupid people, why tyrannies are particularly dangerous when they claim to help the oppressed, whether it's accurate to characterise the culture war as left vs right and much more...
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00:00 Intro
00:27 Redefining Hotness
08:45 Ben Shapiro’s Presence is a Terror
19:47 The Salem Witch Trials
33:14 Promoting Victimhood
41:10 Are We Past Peak Woke?
50:02 Social Justice as a Religion
59:12 Trans People in Female Prisons
1:04:48 Where are the Intelligent People?
1:13:58 How Andrew Stays Positive
1:17:08 Where to Find Andrew
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[@ChrisWillx]

Hello cult members. Here’s the timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:27 Redefining Hotness 08:45 Ben Shapiro’s Presence is a Terror 19:47 The Salem Witch Trials 33:14 Promoting Victimhood 41:10 Are We Past Peak Woke? 50:02 Social Justice as a Religion 59:12 Trans People in Female Prisons 1:04:48 Where are the Intelligent People? 1:13:58 How Andrew Stays Positive 1:17:08 Where to Find Andrew

[@AntonyRG1]

The desperate attempt by atheists like Andrew Doyle to mischaracterize neo-Marxism/cultural-Marxism/race-Marxism (atheist communist ideology) as religiosity continues. Please learn the difference between religion and ideology before spewing such degenerate BS.

[@damienmahon1781]

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[@tomsawyer2338]

Crazy young women sparked the Salem Witch Trials - and crazy young women are driving the woke nonsense of today.

[@chucklesthered2338]

Climate Change and Social Justice are sharing some of the very same cult members.

[@smithhoowe]

I responded to your reply :)

[@PneumaticTube]

_Unsafe_ is the new term for _uncomfortable._ People who constantly feel truly unsafe are usually _unstable._

[@sonofednawelthorpe8609]

Yes - you get that with religion - with people constantly asking for help from Mr. Nobody - praying to someone who’s not there instead of dealing with their situation. Both are unhinged and deluded. Weak people putting responsibility on a fictional deity to sort things out.

[@carlwide6594]

On the contrary, having an infinite perspective on things gives you a far greater ability to deal with one's issues. Which is why the religious have such higher recorded levels of happiness and mental health. God is good.

[@scottmcloughlin4371]

@@clararob9869 Nobody can answer Camus's question for another person. “There is but one truly serious philosophical problem and that is suicide. Judging whether life is or is not worth living amounts to answering the fundamental question of philosophy.” - Albert Camus. Very large groups of secular Western TV watchers are both uneducated and useless. Their ostensible "jobs" and "degrees" or lack thereof don't matter. That's not relevant. Launching rockets and reading teleprompters into TV cameras is entertainment.

[@scottmcloughlin4371]

@@carlwide6594 You are correct. Few nonreligious people (and even many church goers) don't know what the word "religion" means at all. "Religion" does not refer to mental states. Mental states are both ephemeral and unknowable. Written words are not "pictures of mental states." Written words are not "pictures" at all. This is just a YT comment box. Answering these questions requires essay and book length treatments. Most religious people at least understand that.

[@PneumaticTube]

@@sonofednawelthorpe8609 You need to do a little more research on what motivates man to look toward God. I suggest less Nietzsche and more Kierkegaard.

[@heater5979]

The ever growing "woke" mob makes me feel unsafe. Expressing my opinions, my feelings, could lose me my job, my friends, my family. That is terrifying.

[@aomorgancool1775]

Don't be a baby speak up if you have something to say

[@heater5979]

@@aomorgancool1775 What do you mean "baby" I thought I said what I mean clearly enough? My nervousness started when Brendan Eich was hounded out of Mozilla for supporting the idea that gay marriage was not a good idea. In a democratic referenda on the topic. Never mind that had nothing to do with his actions or ability to do his job. More recently J.K Rowlin is hounded for expressing the idea that there are men and women and there is an important difference. Then we find universities full of people who want to erase history. On the grounds of colonialist support of slavery or whatever. Despite the fact their vision of history is often very wrong. It's not that I want to support either side of any of these debates, but there is a growing tendency to not allow any discussion on a topic, brand everyone with views one disagrees with as evil and try to shut them down. People are being arrested by the police in the UK for expressing their views. All in all I see this "woke" movement as a serious threat to free speech, intellectual debate and democracy itself. There, is that "adult" enough for you? Did I say enough?

[@petermathieson5692]

Doing chores, listening to shows like this, marvelling at the richness of intellectual thought available to all of the people of the world in 2022. If we are not empowered, it is by choice...

[@memoryhero]

It's a great point. I feel it's worth mentioning, tho, that in the ecosystem of the internet, the rich, worthwhile content is present but proportionally out-represented by the garbage. Anyone hunting for quality first has to weed through the "intellectual" chocolate chip cookies and nachos and pancakes to find the steak and potatoes. The majority of folk have likely always been - not just now - as hungry for and susceptible to overly simple answers to nuanced questions, but the internet has finally given them horizonless oceans of it to swim in, forever if they like, ever only a mouse click away.

[@bobbymacdermott6137]

who is the " we" you are referring to ?

[@krazo4Christ]

You should check out Edward G. Griffin's interview with Norman Dodd. Or, you could just read "The Dodd Report to the Reece Committee on Foundations" for yourself. To summarize: Dodd's report reveals how tax-exempt foundations (Rockefeller, Carnegie, Ford, etc.), by their own records, have coordinated with one another to seize control of the educational system - for the purposes of promoting communism, with the expectation that they (the foundations) would be the beneficiaries of the centralization of wealth, and power, that would arise from a Communist State. These foundations are the ones currently funding the Social Justice movements, Critical Theorist groups, Social Emotional Learning programs, etc.; and they are a vital component of the World Economic Forum. Dodd's report is probably the closest we will ever get to seeing their objectives stated clearly. I highly recommend reading it (and/or listening to his interview w/ Griffin).

[@bobbymacdermott6137]

@@darcyperkins7041 so slaves are responsible for being disempowered ? OK.

[@bobbymacdermott6137]

@@darcyperkins7041 pff

[@BrandochGarage]

The comparison "lived experience" to "spectral evidence" is brilliant.

[@michaelhussey440]

Around 15 years ago I knew a couple who in most respects were excellent friends. They were the sort of people who you could turn to in need , and in conversation would ask questions as well as share their own experiences ...BUT... there was a HUGE problem around politics. I felt that my speech was monitored and my views policed , and in particular I came to understand that their ability to feel good about themselves was so bound up in the belief that their views were both CORRECT and MORAL that if they heard anything different they were immediately upset and angry. Discussions quickly morphed into an intense emotional event , and I often felt that instead of using persuasion their behaviour was a kind of bullying. It was just easier to change the subject and allow them to feel that they had won. Needless to say, the friendship did not last. These folks were in their fifties , so its not just the young who are carrying on like this.

[@jasonmajere2165]

Read something about you attacking their views is the same as attacking them personally. And with the ever increasing NPC world, that have no thought of their own, it’s getting worse. Or he talks about if you go against the narrative your instantly attacked from everyone else, which is peer pressure at its finest. And than you have to say lefter and lefter things just to ‘keep up with the jones’.

[@linmal2242]

Yes, and I had a long time friend in another country, who I have not heard from again after I made a passing critical comment on a former British prime minister! Apparently that was just too much for him and have not heard from again!

[@greylady4818]

You just described every relationship I have now. You really nailed it.

[@CassandraDarling]

"People using victimhood as a means to bludgeon others." Just bought this guy's book. What brilliantly insightful and well-articulated perceptions.

[@FASBLAQUE]

Oh! You mean like trump claiming victimhood after all of his criminal activity? That goes all ways and not just to the people you want to tag with it.

[@sofasrus8081]

i don't fancy reading the books of men who are stuck in a world were it's all about the penis - their own words. ick! Pretty much where we are currently and what I'm opposing. Sorry, not sorry at all!

[@designedforlifecoaching4007]

Ha, that line stuck with me too, and I did exactly the same thing. Bought his book

[@iainrae6159]

The Titania McGrath quote 'Ssy what you like about Isis, but at least they can't be accused of 'Islamaphobia' remains a classic

[@octopus4925]

Whatttt 😂😂😂😂😂

[@jonahtwhale1779]

ISIS killed thousands and thousands of muslims. Sounds pretty Islamophobic to me! But Titania is so near the mark so often!

[@dannyggg5627]

Brilliant conversation. The amount of common sense and logical thinking from these 2.... extremely rare these days and extremely needed!! Thank you!

[@sharonalbanese8084]

Totally agree. Andrew Doyle is fantastic, always really interesting. I think I'll have to buy his new book.

[@gwho]

sjw/wokeness/cultural marxism is just pure anti-logic so anything critical is going to sound logical

[@James-ll3jb]

By taking seriously a series of ludicrous premises they cease being serious themselves.

[@ToddiGreat-le2qu]

I'm only at 11:00 . So........ If this doesn't get into dialectical religion, it won't get to the root of it all.

[@ToddiGreat-le2qu]

@@James-ll3jb take dialectical religion seriously. It's the root of all this crap

[@emilyearl1858]

Remember when nobody cared except for your close friends and family? Man social media makes people feel unreasonably important.

[@vanhetgoor]

Nice how Andrew Doyle showed a parallel between the Salem witch-hunt and the so called woke community and their witch-hunt.

[@yohaizilber]

Social justice, for when real justice doesn't give you the results you want.

[@cynthiajohnson9412]

Anyone even remember when real justice existed as the rule instead of the exception? When people who have clearly done wrong and everybody knows it based on a mountain of evidence, generally get punished and those who were guilty and let off were rare exceptions, that's real justice. Where people who hadn't actually committed a crime are treated as if they have because 'we' don't like him and so we look the other way while he or she is being persecuted. I mean this literally buried by the legal system and not just socially. Is it really that much of a surprise that warped social systems of 'justice' would flow in to fill the void where real, honest, fair and balanced justice once stood.

[@emilyearl1858]

This is why we have a brilliant constitution in the US. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

[@cynthiajohnson9412]

@@emilyearl1858 We need to bring our constitution back into the court of public opinion. And every day I hear people in other countries referencing the U.S. constitution with awe. And that really made me think, it's far more than just a piece of paper or a underpinning of a legal system - it's the written record of universal ideas, ideas that only need to be claimed and demanded. In the U.S. we give our constitution recognizable legal authority, but the truth is those rights are inalienable. Which means the government does not give them to you, nor can they ever take them away. They JUST ARE by nature of being human. And those rights are there for anyone, anywhere to claim, people in other countries don't need the those rights to be codified to claim them. Inalienable and self-evident. "We hold these truths to be self-evident", they don't need to be argued or explained, they're obvious to all. Granted it is helpful, in times of trouble, to have that document, but unless we ALL DEMAND that it be honored, adhered to, and obeyed it could easily become just an old piece of paper, a relic of the past. And just as people in other countries can claim those rights without a piece of paper, if we don't claim those rights it becomes just a piece of paper. Sorry, for the diatribe. I really do believe this, so I get carried away. Thanks for your patience. P.S. Sorry for the edits, but I think this is an important message and I didn't want it dismissed because of my crappy writing style and typos.

[@macgp44]

Emily, your naivité is absolutely adorable.

[@Lessk69]

@@emilyearl1858 While it may say that, in truth based on how you're treated, you're guilty until proven innocent.

[@joelmartin2826]

Great one, Chris! Love Andrew Doyle

[@sharonalbanese8084]

Totally agree. An awesome conversation.

[@johnglenn2539]

Titania McGrath is better looking

[@johnglenn2539]

Bought Andrew's new book already 👌

[@anarchocapitalist]

It is a religion. James Lindsay from New discourse is one of the best people I found, that can explain in great detail. Consider searching for “marxist theology”.

[@nicoledickens2366]

I second Lindsay's New Discourses. He explains the concept exquisitely.

[@WayneLynch69]

"Those whom stop believing in God don't believe in nothing; they believe anything"--G.K. Chesterton They'll believe whatever elevates themself above others. "The non-religious/liberal is the least charitable as a percentage of income"--"Who Really Cares", Arthur Brooks Ph.D., Harvard adjunct professor. The left isn't Marxist or socialist, they ain't about to share their graft with anyone; Clinton/Sanders/Biden/Obuana... Their argument is the ages old: "all are equal..some more than others". It's ALL about the greatest steal in world history; so far, $5.1 trillion. Only 9% of the "Covid relief bill" went to Covid amelioration...

[@mikemines2931]

If it has 'Marxist' anywhere in any subject it's to bring down the West.

[@scottmcloughlin4371]

@@nicoledickens2366 "Ideologies" are NOT religions. "Religion" is not a word referring to mental states. Mental states are both ephemeral and unknowable. "Relegiosa" is the Old French word for a nun. "Religion" is word like the English phrase "religious order" referring to written down and shared ways of life for real groups of real people who can and have read those relevant writings. Coloquial TV English is not a language useful for matters of any consequence. We have engineering and law dictionaries for obviously good reasons.

[@obi-wanshinobi2353]

@@scottmcloughlin4371 I tried reading your post but my eyes kept rolling into the back of my head. Strange.

[@61chickens]

Great conversation, a privilege to listen in, thanks Chris and Andrew.

[@rohanremi]

Titania McGrath is the best troll character ever. I've never seen an avatar that shows the ridiculousness of the left better than Titania.

[@ManicMindTrick]

He/she is in a league of their own.

[@eoinoconnell185]

@@ManicMindTrick I believe the pronoun is They, Them

[@ManicMindTrick]

@@eoinoconnell185 My bad

[@eoinoconnell185]

@@ManicMindTrick Transphobe !

[@williammentink]

@@eoinoconnell185 are confused/lost pronouns?

[@LionKimbro]

The history of the Salem witch trials were taught to me in my public school American literature classes. I'm so thankful for that class.

[@normanshadow1]

If these brilliant interviews weren't available to me, I would feel quite insane! Thankyou immensely

[@ricoricardo499]

Thank god for people like Andrew Doyle! And you Chris, hopefully we can still have these discussions in years to come before we are all sent off for re-education.

[@mariannewhite383]

I think academics and the like are a bit more susceptible to that type of ideology because many of them spend a lot of time thinking in hugely abstract terms and not a lot of time living in actual reality. This thinking is coupled often times with growing up fairly affluent. I had a very respected professor chastise me for not talking advantage of the travel opportunities the school offered, I was white so it would benefit me to see other cultures, I told him the school didn’t cover any of the trip for me to be able to afford it, I already worked full time to support myself and lived alone, he looked so confused and uncomfortable that money was a barrier for me, he mumbled I’m sorry and even turned his back to me to quickly talk to another student and walk away. And that ignorance, that sheltered mindset, that dumbing innocence, just made me feel so…sad for him…like if he was truly confronted with actual darkness/evil, he might just literally crumble

[@justachannel8600]

If you come from a struggling background I think your brain wires to solving problems and to do that you need to understand the real world. If you dont you can put all your intelligence into feeling better about things.

[@wrincht1]

Woke academics are narcissistic, running from unhealed childhood trauma. Narcissism disables the frontal lobe when trauma re-surfaces, making woke academics indeed the clever stupid.

[@Ididnothingwrong-dx5hn]

"Some ideas are so stupid, only academics believe them." George Orwell

[@Ididnothingwrong-dx5hn]

@Down with Corporate Amerika no

[@LogicSpeaks]

You know, I found similar experiences talking to people (mostly on the left since I guess I view myself as center left) who simply think that my skin color alone is what brought me any form of success. When I mention the fact that although I’m white I came from the USSR and my mother had surgery without anesthesia, I had a cavity drilled out of my teeth without anesthesia at the age of 5, we never had toilet paper but we had newspapers and magazines, I had to go through a bread line to get bread, my mom lost almost half her teeth due to the lack of nutrition (while she gave us kids the breast milk at the age of four and five because we had a newborn brother, while she gave us the mandarins while herself eating the skins). I remember many more things that were incredibly traumatic but I know in some ways I found those horrible things as a way to strengthen myself. Those were terrible things and when I said these things they somehow completely ignore all of this once again because I’m white. This is racism.

[@BRDGS]

While humor/satire + serious scholarship are two important prongs to fighting woke marxism, i think the third prong of storytelling is the most essential. I think we need stories to communicate why these kinds of ideas are wrong

[@chrisdiboll2256]

I like it. The true stories of why this society is actually great to counter their ‘lived experience’ of why it’s not

[@_Krazy47]

Not against your thought in this… Give an example (real life)?!…

[@jameshairston2192]

@@brianmeen2158 you cant Reason someone out of a position that didn't use Reason to get there. These are low emotional-intelligence people. Low general-I.Q. as well. They recoil or lash out at the slightest of push backs on the their emotionally indoctrinated minds.

[@BRDGS]

@@brianmeen2158 I agree - and to my mind that's why we need narratives to show people. Because it's so hard/impossible to explain this kind of stuff to people, in many cases the only way to get the ideas across is through stories

[@BRDGS]

@@_Krazy47 I'll try! lol. So, it's Hard to explain to someone why being brave in the face of danger to yourself and friends is a good thing... but, show them Lord of the Rings and they will most likely understand :)

[@pascalbercker7487]

FYI : update on book burning incident: " An Ontario school board has said that they now “regret” a 2019 educational program that saw books burned and used as fertilizer in the spirit of “reconciliation” - a program that was, in part, led by the co-chair of the Indigenous peoples' commission of the Liberal Party of Canada, who has recently been found not to hold status with Indigenous Services Canada despite claiming otherwise."

[@Patch_duress]

Unsurprising, given the Liberal Party of Canada. But do you have a link?

[@marionreynolds7080]

Knowledge is the ability to learn. Intelligence is the ability to question what you’ve learned. I’ve met a lot of educated people who question nothing.

[@ninagohlsson6053]

You are really great at these conversations, Mr Williamson. You bring both your sense of humour and your knowledge to it, making the conversations richer - and without overshadowing your guest. Great job! And Andrew Doyle's ability to be both razor sharp and a complete sweetheart (and funny as hell) makes him a hero of mine. Thanks for this!

[@sharonalbanese8084]

Totally agree. These two in conversation is always essential viewing / listening.

[@nicoledickens2366]

The internet has ruined peoples reality testing by confusing objective reality and subjective thought. I think the most important concept for the next generation to understand is "abstraction layers" and the entropy (ie information loss) that happens between them. The key to success is accurate reality testing and knowing which risk is worth taking. This is being obfuscated by this inability to take this concept into account. This is bad news for the human species whose success is directly related to figure out reality and create accurate abstractions.

[@justachannel8600]

The internet did not do that, it has only further revealed it. Most famous thinkers were always highly sceptical of people and bemoaned the unholy trinity between the honest truth-tellers, the manipulative psychopaths and the codependent masses.

[@missABR1]

Yes to all of this.

[@nicoledickens2366]

@@justachannel8600 you're right, of course, my point is that it's not been as ubiquitous and planet wide till now. I think only organized religion has come as close. They are taking advantage of the same weakness in our brains.

[@justachannel8600]

@@nicoledickens2366 Oh I agree this stuff is really scary.

[@douglasfreeman3229]

This is the internet's fault? Like it is a car's fault that it emits harmful exhaust?

[@manusha1349]

Love Andrew Doyle! Thanks Chris, your podcast is saving my sanity! Appreciate you ❤

[@user-oi9iz9jr8y]

I love listening to Andrew I could listen all day

[@ivsmart6]

Thank you Chris and Andrew for sharing common sense and excellent thoughts that are rarely found these days.

[@abuyusef27]

Andrew, don’t retreat! We need you more than ever!

[@analogbunny]

I'm often shocked that the book "Why Smart People Do Stupid Things" isn't referenced more in conversations like these.

[@helenromanelli2544]

As always, with Andrew Doyle, there is a great deal here to unpack. I have a bit of a headache, to tell the truth, but I am so grateful for the detailed and intersectional coming together of so many ideas and issues. This is very, very important and the way in which so many institutions have been captured and co-opted by this ideology scares the crap outta me!

[@mikem4984]

Always enjoy interviews with Andrew. He's so rational and intelligent. His insights and observations give me hope that common sense isn't completely dead. That goes for you too, Chris!

[@equalsine6355]

There's another name for lived experience: anecdotal evidence.

[@abigaillower2189]

Love that you’re getting these guys on

[@designedforlifecoaching4007]

These type of conversatuons give me hope. Thanks for spreading the word. Pure common sense

[@MarkMackenzievortism]

I picked up on this stuff a long time ago. I wasn't as well read as I am now, but was very familiar with marxism. Took me three years to get the programming out of my girlfriends head, who happened to be STEM and very well educated. So you would have thought being able to reason and be critical. It was touch and go through all of it until it clicked. Oddly our relationship is better than ever. BUt not to drop the black pills, I think people are going to have to experiance the results of all of this. The hard wall of reality. And that is going to suck in the lead up to it.

[@between-paradise-and-hell]

unforunately, some people only learn by touching the fire.

[@nonfictionone]

I always think of North Korea. That shows what we (ie people) are prepared to put up with. My point being we have a long long way to go before we do anything about it.

[@arknabul2760]

@Down with Corporate Amerika Norway is the country where internet, PC hardware and software, social platforms was invented? I mean, I like Norway. However, they best live with USA invents and discoveries.

[@arknabul2760]

@Down with Corporate Amerika USA government, not Norway government. Got it

[@robdielemans9189]

Great conversation Doyly Doyle is spot on. I hold the adage that after the age of 4 you stop using being offended as an argumentative.

[@spacedebris566]

Judith Butler's writing is absolutely engineered to "confuse people"

[@Grungefan2018]

Shoving social justice down every ones throats at the expense of the REAL people suffering with inadequate food living in the streets cannot afford houses etc.all sky rocketed with the pandemic and it is the height of arrogance and selfishness to put ones feelings ahead of all of the ACTUAL suffering . Its sickening .

[@marvw4166]

This is a natural progression of "my truth" generation.

[@ytsur549]

My woke daughter said I was racist because I wasn't attracted to dark skin women. Now, I can't wait to hear about this new realization for her about me.

[@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115]

But your money is not racist, uh? You should cut the economic umbilical cord with her and watch her 🤯

[@chloebelle4923]

That was a very presumptuous, disrespectful comment. The majority of people are still dating and marrying their own race. This is a statistical fact. You may want to share with her the countless videos where POC are declaring their attraction and love for their OWN people, without apology.

[@DisposableSupervillainHenchman]

And yet if you said that you were ONLY attracted to dark skin women, you’d be “exoticizing” them and that’s also r4c°st. You can’t win in an argument against these lunatics.

[@FLmetalhead]

Gotta weed out the wokeness. If you aren’t woke, how can you stand your daughter being illogical and joining a cult?

[@chloebelle4923]

@@bdbti38jdbw He has a profile pic. Try again.

[@maryannerazzano7692]

I was just discussing this with a friend last week. I believe it is. So many have moved away from traditional religion and in my opinion, moved away from any sense of belonging, hope and a moral compass. Seems to more along the lines of "Marxist Theology" .

[@its_los]

Time well spent. Thanks Chris! Andrew Doyle is on point.

[@mc.8391]

Well I'm glad you care Andrew, the big majority of us need a voice like yours to say what most of us think...... thank you

[@DiegoGarcia-ip7pr]

What a great listen. Andrew is fantastic. He always makes sense to me.

[@mikeparrott8304]

Cannot wait to see this. Thanks for the upload

[@jimpayne9545]

I have saved this as a favorite podcast episode and I will be recommending it to others.

[@mariasinfiltros1478]

I really enjoy Andrew Doyle's thinking and sense of humour, great interview Chris, gracias!

[@peterjohn1217]

The film adaptation of The Crucible with Daniel Day Lewis is worth watching for anyone interested in the Salem trials. Anyone negatively affected by cults I'd recommend the work of Steven Hassan, Rick Allen Ross, Alexandra Stein, Margret Thaler Singer and Diane Langberg.

[@PermanentExile]

Thomas Sowell: “The Quest for Cosmic Justice.” All justice is “social.” What they seek is something that isn’t achievable by humans, something “cosmic.” Religion? maybe. A worship of something omnipotent and omniscient? definitely.

[@Fedorevsky]

And they want the government and other authorities to step in and act in this omnipotent cosmic entity's place to enact the cosmic justice.

[@Fedorevsky]

@Down with Corporate Amerika You need a hand?

[@fr.israelsanchez1041]

A priest I know once said that woke ideology was indeed a new a religion, and that abortion was its sacrament (i.e. its anchoring ritual action). Thank you for this excellent channel, by the way. Even after hearing only a few of your interviews (this, and then the interviews with Michael Malice and Dr. Tania Reynolds), it's clear to me that this adventure you're on and that you're sharing is incredibly important. I'm currently running around Milan and Turin, after a year of running around in Rome. You enter these unbelievably beautiful churches and ancient structures, and if you're listening carefully, you realize that man was made for greatness. So don't stop pushing greatness. Keep going!

[@normanshadow1]

Abortion could be their sacrament but I thinks it's puberty blockers and transing kids.

[@5351Serio]

Excellent conversation , free, brave and very enlightening Congratulatios

[@scottmiller2591]

These people demand that you get rid of any standards. No thanks.

[@IainFrame]

It was a travesty that the Salem witch trials accusers weren't hanged themselves. Anyone who makes a false accusation should either have that very crime perpetrated on themselves retrospectively, or be sentenced to the maximum sentence for that crime.

[@johnglenn2539]

All mass psychosis centres around teen girls. All. There's a reason why the word hysteria is rooted in the word for womb.

[@rfphill]

Such as Jussie Smollett...

[@Fedorevsky]

@@rfphill That loon is still free. Completely absurd.

[@grannyannie2948]

It's interesting they didn't succeed in establishing relationships.

[@douglasfreeman3229]

You like the idea of hanging, then? Let's hope you're judgement is as infallible as the Salem village leaders believed theirs was.

[@priola7587]

Here’s a ditty from my childhood, which was intended as a lesson…. “Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me”. Properly used, one could chant it at your sibling any time they called you anything. And especially if they called you something in a sing-song voice. Feel free to use it, or put it on a t-shirt.

[@Jackjohnjay]

Thanks for introducing me to Andrew Doyle. Just bought the book!

[@jeffrypope9775]

I can't stress the idea that critical thinking is not an innate ability. Throughout history education has been to teach humans how to think. I used think everyone can think but have learned over time as a foreman, manager, and employer, my idea has changed and history bares this out all the way to the ancient Greeks.

[@Lessk69]

This is why a consumer society prospers economically. Many of them are incapable of thinking for themselves and are easily influenced.

[@AntOn-nf9fi]

Mixed race kid, born in the summer of 69, growing up in sunny suburbia in the 70s and 80s. If I screamed victim now, I would have 3/4 of the UK population arrested for offending my feelings. LOL!

[@sarahkay8784]

I heard you on Rohan and was super impressed by what you had to say. I’ve been enjoying your back shows here in you tube. (And you are quite nice to look at)

[@angelagreen242]

Great interview, thank you. I’m looking forward to reading Andrew’s book, sanity in an increasingly mad world.

[@louisbrown4620]

Yes, it’s a religion and we need a separation of Church and State attitude to deal with it in our schools and public institutions. It’s getting ridiculous.

[@bestdjaf7499]

Dude, we are paying for all these "Idiotic Studies" in the colleges & universities. We have Women Studies & Queer Studies & Black Studies & .... Who needs all that crap?! If we stop paying for it, all this crap will disappear over night.

[@louisbrown4620]

@@bestdjaf7499 you’re not wrong. But, we do need our public institutions. They are ours after all. Simply legislating the fact that these are religious activities and separate it from them is the best step.

[@grannyannie2948]

It's the absence of religion that's left a hole to be filled. Forty years ago in government schools, in my country, we said the Lord's Prayer every day and read aloud from the Bible. Today this space is filled by CRT, and gender theories.

[@SoSo-gn5no]

The reference to the witch trials in the Americas is right on. We women are capable of instigating and performing murder and destruction too. A female ex-feminist I am startled at the success of Saint Greta and other young, highly emotional but poorly learned women. We know how toxic masculinity can look like but here we have examples of highly toxic femininity sweeping through society. A collective craze has befallen free and prosperous societies.

[@Ryderman2000]

Mass formation psychosis i believe it's called

[@ladylyonteeth3952]

Just love Andrew Doyle. He’s so cute, I just want to hug him! ❤️

[@helenandsophie100]

Great conversation from two sensible people!

[@neonk2222]

This was the best podcast episode I've ever heard

[@santosturmio8189]

Honestly there's too many good ones ;)

[@ownerofphonebarbedwire1832]

Loneliness is what used to occur before the Internet was invented. Lonely chimpanzees would go off and sit in solitude but then later group together to hug and pick out each others fleas. This huddling is an antidote to loneliness. Half the comments in comments sections are an avoidance of loneliness. But what if loneliness is important as a precursor to group huddling? These days its all frenetic bonding, all speeded up, as if fear driven, fear of loneliness. The less time you spend being lonely the more you live in fear of not bonding.

[@lovelondon1505]

the Crucible was required reading for me when i was at school ... presumably it has long since been booted off reading lists (do schools even have reading lists any more?)

[@JonathanGoslan]

Excellent stuff. Thanks Chris.

[@jyyyb]

Narcissism as social contagion

[@Ruprecttt]

10,000% it is a cult

[@benjaminschaefer6757]

Many thanks for the fine conversation.

[@Metolius9]

Ah, anytime I see Andrew Doyle in the title, I know its a must view interview.

[@carydepel63]

to understand "obtaining power through victimhood" one would be enlightened by reading Nietzsche's "Genealogy of Morals" - the triumph of slave morality, esp books 1 and 2.

[@carlwide6594]

I don't know why people put so much faith in that crank. He diddled young boys, caught syphilis and ended his life screaming at horses. The man lived and died as a moron.

[@nancykane6441]

We certainly are in a fantasy world. Reality, what a concept. Hope we make it through this bizarre time.

[@beepbopboop3221]

Spot on. They need a doctor, a psychological evaluation to be exact. The public needs to stop catering to dilusions.

[@matthewyoung1541]

Andrew Doyle is fantastic!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@angelinegrows7765]

Social justice IS a new religion, and blasphemy is punishable

[@georgsyphers1437]

The fact that I have ancestors on one side of my family who gave testimony on both sides of the Salem witch trials AND on the other sides Austrians who had to live through Nazi occupation and choose between unemployment and destitution or joining the armed forces who rolled tanks into their country after they voted against being Nazi (they did the latter, and were secretly Allied collaborators, which is how they ended up in America) is a constant reminder of why I MUST resist groupthink, hysteria, and unquestioning obedience, and exactly why I hate and am disgusted by wokeism. We must ridicule these disgusting self-righteous enemies of reason and oppose their demands for conformity to their insane ideology at every turn.

[@grannyannie2948]

What an extraordinary family tree, they must be so interesting to research.

[@georgsyphers1437]

@@grannyannie2948 I can't claim any of the research as my own, most of that was my father on the American side, and the Austrian side has an oral history going back to the late 18th century. There's a lot to be proud of and a lot of cautionary tales to learn from on both sides, I don't pretend to be better or worse thanks to any of my history, merely that I know where I came from and try to learn from their lives.

[@grannyannie2948]

@@georgsyphers1437 I understand. I have a distant cousin who traced a mutual ancestor back to a tailor who worked for Henry 7. I can trace them all to their arrival in Australia (1830-55) but when I get back to Britain and Europe there's just so many people and it's too difficult for me. But it must be exciting to have ancestors whose words were recorded beyond land deeds and birth certificates.

[@treebrother]

Darkhorse Podcast just addressed an article I think from a leading science magazine saying that they've changed things where peer review papers can now be edited post release. More and more it looks like everything in society and all of our institutions are now going to have to be filtered through the department of Political Correctness to edit or silence anything that can be a threat to power. Reminds me of a country in the east that has been seriously rising in power and influence who has practiced this type of control and top down rule since Mao.

[@azr6288]

Thank you Chris for posting.

[@stickyhairlesscats]

Imagine having a country where you need to establish a "protected belief by law". Thank goodness for our First Amendment. I feel for everyone else that is dealing with the ramifications of having no such guarantee of freedom of speech.

[@margueritezoe]

I used to believe that, but I'm honestly not sure what good our First Amendment is anymore, given that a.) speech is now under the direct control of private corporations who, unlike the government, are under no obligation to uphold Constitutional rights; and b.) the ever-growing "frenzy of conformity" has made any speech not in alignment with a far-left worldview prohibitively costly, both personally and economically. When "free speech" is no longer _free,_ we musn't be surprised when very few people are able to afford to engage in it... so what good is it, really, and how are we any better off than in the UK, Canada, Australia, etc.?

[@Fedorevsky]

@@margueritezoe Don't forget that whenever the government want to they just have the FBI (etc.) call up these "Private corporations" and tell them what to suppress or what to censor and for how long. I don't disagree with anything you wrote, just wanted to add that to it all.

[@mataform]

I live in 'that country' and it's your country that promulgated this nonsense which we now have to fight. Your first amendment hasn't been as protective as you think it has as far as I can see. Facebook and Twitter have managed to curate and deny a voice to anyone they disagree with.

[@chrisjackson9626]

Here in New Zealand wokeness has it's own spin on things. Matauranga Maori, which is indigenous ways of knowing is being put on the same level as science. Also there is a plan to change the constitution which would effectively bring in an ethnocentric system, in as much as a Maori government would preside over all Maori matters. In effect it is designed so the 16% of Maori would hold the same power as the 84% non Maori, which would negate one person one vote. This is called He Puapua, which means the break and is written by middle class (part) Maori activists.

[@grannyannie2948]

In Australia not only has Aboriginal studies completely overcome history as a subject, it's inculcated every school subject. The book they use to teach it has been proven to be untrue but they can't let facts get in the way of the indoctrination of children. And then there is the coming referendum on the Aboriginal voice to parliament, apparently we won't even be told what's that about until it has happened.

[@bigpete4227]

I remember noticing that crap in the early naughties when I did my year in Nz. I went to Te papa museum and played an interactive settler game on an early type console thing. Only way to thrive and survive was to loose your faith, change sexuality or race mix. This has been around for a while.

[@grannyannie2948]

@@bigpete4227 That's horrendous, imagine children playing the game.

[@lucymc4971]

I'm only half hour through and it's absolutely fascinating this conversation thank you 😊 I had no idea about Salem I shall definitely read up on it

[@drteism]

Just bought The New Puritans and excited to read it!

[@duncanpearce7499]

brilliant show, thank you

[@whatsdoin2392]

Unconscious envy is the true motivator of the social justice crowd.

[@Fedorevsky]

Probably conscious a lot of the time as well depending on the person and situation.

[@bestdjaf7499]

@@Fedorevsky It is conscious. It's all coming from these Idiotic Studies. And the Idiotic Studies Professors, want to get paid & to recieve the same research money as the STEM schools & professors. Instead of Investing more into Technology & Innovation, we pay billions to subsidize this lunacy. Since it's the public money, maybe we should have a referendum to stop paying for this Lunacy.

[@martindenham2207]

Very true. I think it was Thomas Sowell who talked about envy and resentment as the core driver for a lot of this stuff (I may have misremembered who exactly as I listen to a lot of commentary on this subject). I've also been in the room with those advocating for social justice and it became very clear that they were full of envy and resentment. They were bitter and extremely angry about what others had that they felt more entitled to.

[@lookaroundyou8108]

Finally someone said it, they are so envious of those who are mentally stable, normal, talented or born with good looks!!!!

[@whatsdoin2392]

@@lookaroundyou8108 Envy is useless/destructive. Make use of your strengths. OR go to Cuba and your enjoy your meaningless life!

[@user-oi9iz9jr8y]

Great conversation and podcast

[@dq405]

Walter de la Mare is one of my favourite writers, and so I look forward to Andrew Doyle's comments!

[@treebrother]

Just a suggestion. There were those that suggested that there needs to be more social workers to work along police because a lot of instances are issues that police aren't trained to deal with. Well maybe when we look at stats of the amount of people on mind altering prescription drugs for mental reasons, the effect of social media and social affairs on the youth, The effects of lockdowns on society, That maybe it's time to open "Mental" Hospitals again as a alternative to actual prison or just ignoring the issue. There are places where drug addicts who have committed crimes are held that are given help and slowly transition to other wings of the institution where they're closer to finally being released back into society. Many of them are incredibly thankful for the intervention. Sadly it seems like too many are dealing with serious mental illness and what's worrisome is they're in serious positions of power.

[@Alice-pk9yc]

My own mother is a woke cult member and her role is in safeguarding the most vulnerable women and children! The has all been done on purpose!

[@stevec3526]

I am highly offended by people who are telling me who I should or should not be romantically involved with. It’s none of their damned business.

[@augustcanyon3438]

No one is stopping any of this silliness, they are just talking about its ridiculousness.

[@jeromedangelo7028]

Thank you so much for this conversation! Even if we think the scourge of wokeness has peaked, we need to keep fighting it to ensure free speech and free inquiry and intellectual diversity are protected!

[@jpsmith9452]

I appreciate Doyle’s wine pour. Must be how he stays looking so young.

[@CF.]

Must be all those antioxidants in the wine that’s keeping him young. 😂

[@b.dangerfield6499]

Yes, it’s been a religion for a while.

[@leekah9981]

Already started at the start of 2014

[@NightmareRex6]

religion of the NPC

[@Fedorevsky]

@@leekah9981 Long before that. The congregation was just much smaller.

[@metgirl5429]

Great wonderful fantastic You guys rock Don’t stop 🌷 We are waking up 🕊 Watching from OZ

[@garytunnicliff3649]

Excellent conversation…

[@trevorhoward2254]

You remember Larry Grayson, comedian and host of The Generation Game? His catch phrase was "Shut that door". and as he said it he used to extend his arm forward horizontally then let his hand drop in a 'limp wrist' kinda thing. Well, I know someone who was convicted of a hate crime for making that gesture to a gay couple. Not saying anything, just the gesture. He claims he didn't do it, and I believe him - he's not at all anti gay and he's the type who would admit to it had he. Point is that the only witnesses were the supposed victims who claimed they felt the gesture was homophobic. That was enough to see him arrested, charged, tried and found guilty. For this imagined sin her received an eight month prison sentence, suspended for one year and had to pay each victim £750 compensation - total, £1500 plus costs. A gesture. Fifteen hundred quid. Possible imprisonment. All on the word of the victims. Tories have had over a decade to rid us of this shit.

[@tommyrq180]

“This person is a hypocrite, aren’t they.” Well, yes, but they espouse a particularly viral hypocrisy, don’t they. It’s a particularly societally disruptive hypocrisy, which is its primary attractiveness. Because it’s so self-aggrandizingly “brave” even though it is so utterly conformist and banal. It’s today’s performative communitarian psychosis.

[@Fedorevsky]

Yes, virtue signaling.

[@dreamsandshadows582]

We need to bring back the term "snowflake". We at my job were required to take an extensive online course called "cultural humility" one of the points that was made was that we could be fired for misgendering someone.

[@Bridgukule]

brillant discussion, thank you