Is Super Mario 3D World ACTUALLY Mario Galaxy 3? | The Design of 3D Mario [retro dog]

Super Mario 3D World carries a lot of the same design philosophy as the Galaxy games. But, is that enough to consider it a full-on sequel?
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[@retro0dog]

Hey, everyone, thanks for watching. I tried to cram as much as I could in 20 minutes, but of course, I can always go deeper into this or similar subjects. If you want to see more videos like this, just let me know. You're feedback is highly appreciated.

[@DalfAxolotl]

I would love to see more! I love mario 3d world so much.. you make some really good mario videos honestly so I hope this video does as well as your mario wonder video!

[@QnjtGWonQNqVsbYyzjx4]

⁠@@DalfAxolotlDon’t get me wrong, 3D world is a good game. However, the evolution from galaxy 1 to 3D world is like replacing part of a ship. Nintendo decided to replace some element in galaxy 2, and the remaining are replaced by 1. Galaxy 2 have two conflicting vision almost, one is to be a successor of the first game, one is to be a 2D Mario like experience like 3D world. None of them are bad, but since there is no space related mechanics anymore(all the ship part have been replaced), it is no longer a spiritual successor to galaxy

[@DalfAxolotl]

@@QnjtGWonQNqVsbYyzjx4 that's because 3d world isn't really an evolution of galaxy imo it's an evolution of 3d land which is a standalone 3d experience 3d world has galaxy influences for sure but that's where it ends in my personal opinion. Not every mario game has to be building off of each other.

[@retro0dog]

@@DalfAxolotl Exactly my point, as well. You hit the nail on the head.

[@geggyboy1269]

Plot twist: The real Mario Galaxy 3 is Super Mario 3D LAND.

[@MusuemBucket]

That’s actually fair considering most of Mario Galaxy’s ideas were used for 3D World

[@MplusL]

The true Mario Galaxy 3 was the friends we made along the way...

[@lasercraft32]

Rosalina in 3D World is INSANE! It blew my mind as a kid, and personally she seems pretty underrated (probably because you only unlock her at the end of the game, and her main gimmick can't be used with powerups). I would HIGHLY recommend playing through the game as Rosalina _without_ powerups. Her spin allows for a TON of really satisfying movement options (especially in the remake, where they increased movement speed and added the dive, ground pound jump, and spin jump from odyssey).

[@OrbitalFrog_]

Well, shouldn’t it be galaxy 4,considering 3D land exsists?

[@Domingo..1]

The title is crazy

[@luisoncpp]

I think any possible cool thing that Nintendo could put into Mario Galaxy 3 could be put into any other 3D Mario game as well, so I think it's pointless to ask for a Mario Galaxy 3, I just want a new 3D Mario as good as possible and I don't care about its title. Even Mario Odyssey has some linear stuff challenges here and there

[@nivaldowesley666]

i always thought of 3D land as a pocket galaxy game! now makes a lot of sense! 😅

[@RahRizzle123]

The lore of 3d world is so fun 3D Land takes from Galaxy, Mario 3, and hints of Mario 64 3D World takes from 3D Land(there is literally a special world thats based on this gane with the overworld theme), Galaxy(all cause of Rosalina and the special worlds), hints of Mario 3, and hints of Mario 64 If you really pay attention to 3D Land some of the ost is literally a replica from Galaxy or Mario 3, while 3D world has a lot more unique tracks but most came from Galaxy and 3D Land

[@lasercraft32]

As a kid I always called those ruby rock things "Poop-Covered Cherries." So... Uh... Yeah. Make of that what you will.

[@mariocartmichael6133]

They were just “poop rocks” to me

[@donatello5167]

I strongly disagree with your framing of 3D Land and World as sterilised and less special than other 3D Mario games. A focused platforming experience is not inherently inferior or more "corporate" compared to Galaxy's more spectacle and story-focused approach. Personally I found a lot of those aspects of Galaxy superfluous and they hurt the platforming experience. I don't want to read the backstory of a side character that doesn't impact the gameplay at all, and I especially don't want control taken away from me so I can be forced into a cutscene of Mario flying through space multiple times per level. For me 3D Land and World just trimmed the fat off the Galaxy games and are easily the better experiences as a result. 3D World's level design and controls are fantastic and its presentation, while less epic than Galaxy's, clearly still had a lot of effort and soul put into it. To describe the game as just "Mario but cat" is like saying Mario 3 is just "Mario but racoon". Basically, I'm really glad 3D World isn't Galaxy 3. Otherwise, great video, editing and audiowise etc.

[@retro0dog]

@@donatello5167 You honestly make a great point, and I'm truly glad you disagree with me. The great thing about video games, particularly Mario, is that there is something created to everyone's unique tastes. And, what may make something special for one person may not translate to another player, and that's great. The world is more interesting if we disagree, and your opinion on this is especially nuanced and entirely valid. Cheers.

[@blocks4857]

Presentation matters. The galaxy games are much more similar in design to 3D Land and World than 64, Sunshine, and Odyssey yet are highly regarded as some of the best games of all time.

[@stevenquartzcutiepiedemayo8272]

Maybe the real mario galaxy 3 are the friends we made along the way

[@xtruejudgementx5017]

honestly i prefer galaxy 1s mixture of both open linear fusion rather than galaxy 2s more linear design

[@PhineasCPR]

this is an awesome video. keep up this quality content and you'll become a big channel.

[@FraQuelloDiQuazzo]

The only hope we have left is galaxy 3 for the nintendo switch 2

[@just_some_greek_dude]

For me what makes a Mario Galaxy game fun are the planetoids and gravity base gameplay

[@cozzyono]

welp.. guess i gotta play 3D World again😅

[@Zackh339]

I was thinking about this idea on my most recent playthrough, especially with rosalina being playable.

[@ICader7194]

Ok 3D World is great but it's a different genre than the Galaxy games. Very similar in concept. And god if it were a non-linear 3D platformer on top of all it had, it would be and transcend the title of Galaxy 3.

[@blocks4857]

Nope. Both are course clear 3d Mario games.

[@ICader7194]

@@blocks4857 so Odyssey is Galaxy 4 then

[@blocks4857]

@icader7194 odyssey is not a course clear mario games. It's in the same style as Sunshine and 64

[@ICader7194]

@@blocks4857 you're right my brain was shut off 3d land would be more of galaxy 3 right? 3d world galaxy 4... I still don't think you can call it a spiritual sequel to galaxy, mostly because of how inorganic it feels

[@torterratortellini6641]

I honestly think that Super Mario Odyssey is more similar to Super Mario 3D World.

[@blocks4857]

What? Explain

[@Joseph-Vile]

Eyyy, cool video, also great editing as usual...

[@ZarkWiffle]

14:50 a lot of the art assets and engine in 3D Land are reused from Galaxy 2

[@donatello5167]

I don't think that's true... do you have a source for that?

[@ZarkWiffle]

It's not super well documented but all 3d Mario games from Galaxy-Odyssey have the same folder structure and I have seen people datamine and say there's object references in Odyssey going all the way back to Sunshine. As for art assets look through models resource between both games and check the models textures of characters in both games.

[@donatello5167]

Okay but what does using the same folder structure actually entail? I don't think that's the same as reusing the engine. Also just looking through the Models Resource, they look completely different. Mario, Luigi, Peach and Rosalina clearly have new models and textures. Even things taken directly from Galaxy like the Flip Switch panels and the Octoombas have updated models. I think if 3D World was reusing assets from the Galaxy games it would be really obvious and look pretty bad because they've got very different art styles.

[@ZarkWiffle]

3d Land reusses art. 3d World doesnt. Check out Kameck as an example. Using the same folder structure (and iterations of the same file types) entails how every bit of non code data is decompressed, read, and placed into a scene. That just doesnt happen if the games don't share the same engine since otherwise you'd waste work remaking the same thing. An Unreal Engine project is never going to be structured like a Unity project. Its probably more accurate to say the games use iterations of the same engine that gets tweaked per console and game. Looking into it, data miners seem to call the engine ActionLibrary

[@donatello5167]

Okay I assumed you were saying 3D World reuses Galaxy assets because in the timestamp of your original comment he was talking about World not Land. And yeah a couple of 3D Land's models do seem to be reused. From what I can find 3D Land was the first game to use ActionLibrary, not the Galaxy games.

[@philosophicalgamer2564]

I thought I was the only who thought this

[@mariocartmichael6133]

Ive 100%ed every 3d mario. My two favorites are the galaxy games, then 3d land, then 64, then 3d world, then sunshine. For 100% runs, sunshine is so tedious; i only play mario games all the way through though. A casual run of sunshine would probably be more fun, skipping the blue coins and terrible secret levels. But yea 3d Land to me feels like the adopted brother of the galaxy games; not entirely a sequel but still heavily inspired by them. 3d World was definitely fun but honestly i felt like it was less fun than 3d Land. I had it on wii u and again on switch, it’s definitely still a fantastic platformer but not my mario of choice. Also ive only ever beaten mario 64 ds, never the 120 star 64 version

[@kiyesi]

can’t let gang know i fw ts

[@hergzcool]

cool

[@taysim2343]

honestly i feel like odyssey makes more sense as the spiritual successor to the galaxy series

[@quick7591]

nah, in 3d world you have beat blocks, flip panels, very similar level design, literally world star. odyssey has basically nothing

[@blocks4857]

Odyssey is the true successor to Super Mario 64

[@Tyrollienne124]

3D Land is Mario galaxy 3. 3D world is galaxy 4

[@kiyesi]

jk great vid

[@retro0dog]

@@kiyesi 😂 thanks

[@Щвъ]

if SM3DW is galaxy 3, SMO is galaxy 4