Is Tesla About to Change the Game with FSD Licensing?

[@BrighterwithHerbert]

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[@buddyryeSE]

Tesla is no more of a monopoly as KZbin is. The problem is that the competition can’t compare and the innovation should be rewarded…

[@weschapman5041]

What about the chance that the Ford Skunkworks is working in conjunction with integrating FSD

[@XjmmXbmmbdf]

You do a great job bud! No grandstanding, great guest. Go TSLA!

[@cybergigafactory]

Is this the second half of the same space like in your last space video? Thanks. 🙏

[@BrighterwithHerbert]

There is a third final segment coming today.

[@danielrapeanu4079]

@@BrighterwithHerbert Thanks for your answer. Maybe you could put it in the title. Like 1/3 at the end or so. Then its easier to know how many there will be.

[@LJ-jq8og]

NICK is 💯 "Spot On..."

[@BongoWongoOG]

Why can’t Tesla design an Optimus that can fit in & drive any vehicle? Use magnetic wireless cameras around tge car etc. Thoughts?

[@Lduke32]

Talk about inefficient.

[@BongoWongoOG]

@ Your quite right. This was meant to be tongue in cheek. You’ve spoiled my joke now, lol

[@BongoWongoOG]

​@@Lduke32 I had further thought on this. Maybe FSD ICE driver can re-route more efficiently, use less fuel to do a drive, drive longer, drive further, no fuel being used by a human driver getting to and from work, extend lifespan of ICE saving resources, drive tractors/excavators/dump trucks/forklifts etc, Do work which is dangerous or difficult for humans. Agree this may only be for 10 or so years, but a worthy exercise maybe

[@Lduke32]

I agree that Tesla can apply their FSD to anything but should stick with EV vehicles to fulfill mission of reducing fossil fuels. The limited ICE fuel savings exemplifies the juice not being worth the squeeze.

[@andrewvercillo7584]

I just think if they bring in Ford or GM they would get the government with them the most

[@BongoWongoOG]

Ford. Make the skateboard with fsd hardware/software & let Ford put the clothes on & badge it.

[@johnd01]

We need to see the insurance rates drop for FSD cars.

[@XjmmXbmmbdf]

💯👊🏼

[@unclefatbloke687]

I believe insurers will hold out and have to be dragged and screaming to court before they drop premiums! They will not want to see a drop in revenues, so they will come up with as many reasons (excuses) as possible why FSD should not translate to lower prices! Tesla will fill that void by offering lower premiums via InsureMyTesla, and that lost business MIGHT prompt a change of mind in the big insurers. But I think there is still a bumpy and winding road ahead till low insurance costs are available! Once robotaxis start REALLY expanding, and more and more low mileage drivers give up on car ownership, THEN I think the Insurers will start to panic because revenues will start the inevitable decline as taxis take over the car market!

[@wayofflow955]

Can the other oem make comparable hardware and software to interface with the Tesla fsd stack? They cant even make OTA software work for their own cars.

[@205rider8]

Elon will not license FSD for use on ICE cars. This does not contribute the mission of accelerating the transition to sustainable transportation.

[@BongoWongoOG]

FSD won’t work with ice in any case. Be better to design optimus to drive any vehicle with magnetic bluetooth cameras around the vehicle that optimus can ‘see’ through

[@catbert7]

You’re saying he would put that over saving lives?

[@andrewdubose9968]

Ford was the first to Supercharger, Farley had nice things to say about the 48V architecture guide, and he’s been daily driving a Xaomi, so I would say he “gets it” (i.e. the looming existential threat faced by automakers who don’t continuously innovate).

[@privatename123]

Partnering is gonna slow them down so much that I think Tesla will conclude that they need to do most of the FSD car production themselves, at least in the West. Thankfully, the vehicle sharing nature of Robocabs will dramatically lower the number of new vehicles needed.

[@garycracknell8043]

What about Ford and the sckunkworks. Can they not build the tesla stuff into the new design of their new cars.

[@landcruiser801]

I thin Ford as most likely partner, Elon and Jim Farley seem to have a good relationship, and Ford have their separate EV division

[@youtubeweather28]

Adding more Tesla Stocks , waiting for my pay stubs ❤❤

[@bernadettevanderploeg9551]

same here

[@erip7575]

They don’t have to partner right now. Cybercab is a yr away. They can start licensing FSD to other car manufacturers though?

[@urban9787]

Picking up on Omar‘s point re: every car will have such features - car insurance will eventually be prohibitively expensive for cars w/o such systems. Teslas will be at the forefront - GO TSLA!

[@SemihVeli-k3h]

wasn't really familiar with XAI303K but now i am. Great explanation!

[@jeffmueller9422]

Some things are too good not to share!!

[@scott5770]

My pushback on the monopoly aspect of robotaxi would be, anyone can buy one and earn passive income

[@jimtexas68]

Not to mention Tesla has open sourced their engineering from the jump. Their mote is the data that no one can catch up with.

[@DiO-fy5ex]

Do both. A small software team would be most of what they would need

[@jordannagy3266]

Completely dodged the question regarding Elon faking being a professional gamer. Watch moist critcal or asmondgold breakdown clearly boosting and a weird concerning thing for him to lie about even if it is only gaming.

[@scotttisdale2773]

Yes. I wanted them to discuss this. Annoyed Omar didn’t answer that question.

[@Doug97803]

Agreed, very strange behavior.

[@DavidRoyar-ct9tn]

Just noise

[@jordannagy3266]

@@DavidRoyar-ct9tn I feel that most of the Tesla community influencers are not “gamers” so they blow it off as a nothing burger but very strange that Elon keeps pushing this “ I am a god at everything including video games” notably on Joe Rogan. I watched the full spaces on X and Omar did comment but blew it off and was completely taking out his ass had not done his research. I just find it concerning that Elon doesn’t come clean on this.

[@raisoreo]

Hey Guys, I totally agree with Omar in that most of the executive car makers are not that smart to license FSD with Tesla which will solve full self driving first. Cheers!

[@sunrisejak2709]

Thanks. What I get from you comment is that as of now Tesla has not solved FSD yet.

[@tomdrewenskus8167]

@@sunrisejak2709 FSD is not fully baked yet. There are still a too many edge cases where FSD would require intervention. But, perhaps by 2026 it could be improved enough to drive unsupervised. And that’s when the robotaxi manufacturing might ramp up as well.

[@arkelss4]

Should I just buy tesla stock instead of thinking and reasoning with myself

[@jjamespacbell]

As a Tesla shareholder, I have no issue with licensing but the fee needs to be many $1,000's. Tesla shareholders funded FSD and need to get a juicy payback.

[@EamonnMurphy-cc1dt]

I am sceptical of sharing FSD with other brands outside of China. Let's say I am legacy auto, I license FSD for a few years then dump it when I have my own or I get a better offer. Unless that is if FSD can corner the whole market like Microsoft operating systems.

[@hex1934]

Licensing is a diversion.

[@NevrozSerkan]

We will all buy XAI303K at the price we deserve.

[@cesar.hcr.55]

1 revenue 2 safety

[@nemesis9693]

Herbert, this is what will happen with licensing. You heard it first here. Example: Large Car Company will reach out for an FSD deal and the deal is this: We want to license FSD and we want Tesla to create an augmented version of the Cybercab that has different doors, front end, rear end but the underpinnings are the same as the Cybercab. This will not take 4 years to get launched for that car company, yet they will have their own automous looking vehicle that works with FSD. Then the next FSD licensing Car company will ask for the same deal - to augment the existing cybercab to their exterior/ interior specifications and color and boom, it won't take 4 years. Tesla is the best at manufacturing and scaling, so the hold up will be Tesla bandwidth. I predict this is what will happen.

[@tomdrewenskus8167]

Bandwidth is a huge issue for Tesla. Just how many flavors of the Cybercab do you think Tesla will want to build for each of the other automakers? I cannot see that happening, as it adds too much complexity. Tesla will always dictate what the other automakers can have be it a platform (skateboard), or camera placement, interior, or hardware that is required for a Cybercab. Tesla does not want multiple flavors of anything as it only adds complexity.

[@MuratSibel-i9e]

XAI303K is insane powerful coin!

[@jkatlantic1]

FORD

[@michaelwee3613]

Alexandra is right on the monopoly. Uber has Lyft.

[@gocybertruck8189]

Tesla is likely to license FSD eventually, but this depends on achieving significant technical and regulatory milestones first. Automakers would need to build their vehicles based on Tesla's specifications. The ultimate goal would be for automakers to produce cars that comply with Tesla's autonomous driving standards, making these vehicles part of the Tesla fleet. Tesla would act as an umbrella for all cars, providing software updates, FSD capabilities, and other services, while automakers remain responsible for hardware-related aspects.

[@ELLIOTTCleary]

XAI303K will be massive

[@clavo3352]

They can do both. Just create a new brand. GM once made Buick and Chevrolet and Oldsmobile.

[@troymcgrew9822]

I want an Aptera with Tesla FSD.

[@julesgosnell9791]

Re how licensing FSD would work - FSD hardware will have to be a drop in system with a clearly defined API that dictates what inputs and outputs from the various bits of the physical interface look like. It would be up to the licensee to drop this into their own compliant hardware whilst providing Tesla with an upfront prototype with this physical interface layed out exactly the same as it is going to be in the production model. Tesla can then use this to produce/modify existing training data an to train up a model specific to this licensee’s hardware- that will be expensive and Tesla will want money up front.

[@hex1934]

NRE doesn’t scale.

[@KDISCLUTCH35]

My opinion is that they won’t actively chase partnerships for FSD they will let it come to them

[@tomdrewenskus8167]

For FSD licensing I question how many of the automakers in America & Europe & China can actually make a million EVs per year. But, what I want to hear the speakers talk about is what a FSD licensing deal might look like.

[@hex1934]

No OEM auto partner.

[@awebinar2772]

Herbert, they will find a partner who will run a Tesla factory style and let them make the cybercap and they may keep the profit.

[@dennisolsen8945]

If a car crashes, who is responsible? The manufacturer or the software developer? I don’t think they need the liability and bad publicity. But I agree, you have to share.

[@pr248]

There will be something buried away in the terms and condtions to absolve the maufacturer of all responsibility. Robotaxi will be interesting as without a steering wheel thereis no way for the occupants to control the car.

[@dennisolsen8945]

@ So Ford will license FSD and Tesla will trust Ford to implement cameras, computer and controls so well that Tesla will accept full liability when a Ford crashes? I can’t see that.

[@GaryVanSant]

Ford Ford Ford Ford jumps in on Tesla FSD first. That pulls the keystone out and gives Ford an advantage. I also think Tesla and Ford respect each other and that would make for a good partnership and developing their full self driving lineup.

[@thomastv914]

OEM and partners med to spend more than a few thousand $ on hardware. Its computer, cameras, sensors, wire, wifi ...

[@esta1177]

Why partner with companies that will be out of business anyway?

[@louisstanwu]

Tesla will license to save lives even if it takes 4 years for legacy to implement.

[@MODESTOMansfield]

Holding XAI303K strong🚀

[@robertstout7756]

I think Tesla will build as many cyber cabs as possible, whether or not they partner with some legacy auto maker. And the amount of time invested in sharing their technology with a partner is much less than building more infrastructure to produce more cyber cabs.

[@santiagovilla6219]

Monopoly las due to Fsd

[@thewolfdoctor761]

Why 4 years ?

[@audience2]

If Tesla do have a partnership agreement for FSD with another automaker then the legacy maker will want to keep it a secret to avoid Osborning their pre-FSD ready vehicles.

[@TarshaDagostino]

At some point people will have to stop ignoring XAI303K.

[@TeNgaere]

My fervent hope is that they do not partner with any OEM and give away a very strong moat. They should NOT worry about a monopoly on self driving any more then google worries about having a monoply on search. FSD is how Tesla distinquishes itself from the competition. It isn't just a superficial design feature like a new light bar or tailight that distinguishes it from all the other EVs. FSD is why I buy a tesla, and not some techincal design feature of the motor. Let other OEMs figure out their own self driving solution. You guys should have more faith in the market place to select the best self driving solution. Sometimes I think you are bowing down to SAS revenue as something Tesla needs. Bullshit.

[@CreolaPotter]

More on XAI303K pls.

[@islabonita4193]

Tesla will sell factories that way the OEMs will be able to get onboard sooner.

[@kenpine6261]

I finally got FSD 12.6.1 today and was anxious to try it. I don’t know if it’s just my particualar area, but I still feel it’s got quite a ways to go before it goes unsupervised. I’m still having to constantly press on the accelerator to get it to keep up with traffic or simply to start moving in a timely manner. The first stop sign I came across it came to a full stop then slowly entered an intersection then just stopped in the middle of it. There were no cars or people coming thankfully. There was no reason for it to stop! A press on the accelerator got it going again but I shouldn’t have to do that. And it’s still very slow going through roundabouts. This was a very disappointing experience for me. I was expecting much better performance based on all the videos that have been posted. I hate to say this but FSd 12.6.1 felt like a regression from 12.5. Maybe it will get better as I drive it more

[@mbur5099]

They’ve said their #1 priority is SAFETY. If true they’d want ‘safer than a human’ system everywhere. Also, real world data (or power) is the next bottleneck for training/advancing FSD training. Licensing could vastly expand their pool of real world data.

[@beardfootofficial]

I doubt a partnership will be announced this early in the deployment of supervised FSD, they still have a ways to go building their own platform and vehicle. But I'm just a retail investor

[@TeNgaere]

And you are right

[@fredhearty1762]

Xiaomi and Geeley are most liable to adopt the tech... and will be quickest to deliver integrated vehicle. Another Chinese company is a possibility... BYD? In the US, ford may be the most likely for their next generation EVs.

[@Unitedflyier]

BYD would be the best. They would almost have a monopoly for EVs.

[@IANLOCKHART-gy8gj]

What % of teslas cars are sold with FSD and what % with no FSD? FSD is it a lifesaver when the accidents are caused by other parties, not by yourself? 6 or 7 thousand dollars for 50% improvement in safety?

[@vicentevaldez1696]

Tesla Ecosystem vs China Ecosystem..good for compitition

[@tincanlife]

Whose hardware would FSD run on? Wouldn’t it naturally be the Nvidia solution, or do we think Tesla would offer FSD hardware to compete with Nvidia? I think the former is most logical. Automakers adopt Nvidia hardware and install Tesla FSD.

[@paulvancamp1436]

I think there will be an Nvidia FSD (pc) and Tesla (apple)

[@modelmaker007]

Ford will be the first to license..

[@beanice9238]

I agree and have said for years...Ford will be the first

[@Cybertruck_69]

FSD crapped its pants and cried Take Over immediately because I used the windshield washer. 😂😂

[@johnmacri7440]

they needs some tangible news. the stock can’t stay up her without it

[@darylfoster7944]

No, they need tangible earnings.

[@petrokladis3576]

I'm glad you asked me that question some people are not rich like you some people only could afford 10 to 15 shares but they want to hold the stock for a long time so the ask you a question and I said does a split if it goes to a thousand dollars a share it was an easy question I don't ask a question to get a question not everybody's rich like you what are the people that come on your show or somebody that could buy more you could even say yes or no have a nice day sir

[@darylfoster7944]

What does a split do for you?

[@BirdieTimmons]

Yeahhh now I can buy more XAI303K!!

[@GohanSaru]

Safety must be reason #1 or #2. At some point FSD cars will coordinate with each other to prevent collisions, just as aircraft with TCAS (Traffic Collision Avoidance System) coordinate position & vector to prevent collisions. Elon's jet uses TCAS just as all jets & most other civil aircraft do.

[@kendigjl]

If Tesla wants to avoid becoming a monopoly, one option would be to license their Gigafactories. Ford/GM/etc could slap their badges/bodies on Teslas and keep the guts and operating system while building the vehicles in factories licensed by Tesla. So Tesla gains from licensing the factories, and gains from selling parts, and gains from licensing FSD - and other manufacturers get to stay in business and customers get to keep buying their brand name of choice. And Tesla can have oversight in the factories that are building the vehicles so they're up to spec and able to run FSD without a problem.

[@tomdrewenskus8167]

Good luck getting Tesla to work with the UAW in these licensed gigafactories of other automakers. Nope, I don’t see that happening. Do you really think Tesla would give away its manufacturing secrets to other companies?

[@matthewsikorski4627]

Not sure Tesla will take the liability risk of licensing another car company

[@jprudolphcoffee8999]

What about C2C? Is it the elephant in the room?

[@coryturke7336]

I always said the goal was to replace people buying cars with a completely different way of transportation on a global scale and that tesla ultimately would be the sole "machine" that creates the paradigm shift. Elon has hit astronomical roadblocks, so he figured it would be easier to license to get more cars out there to nail the tech and production down. But the wonderful team he's built is breaking through them, so that in conjunction with the ability to mass produce at scale, and those two in conjunction with starship planetary flights, mass multi-passenger transportation devices and down to 1 or 2 passenger vehicles, there's not going to be a need for licensing because every other company not under the Elon and Co umbrella sucks in comparison. Like Elon said at a meeting with a general (i don't remember the speaking event specifically), he said most companies scold you for taking bold risks, when the opposite should be true. You should scold for NOT taling risks, and that this creates conservative results. What is unique here is his basic premise, in addition to all the other special sauce ingredients laid out by Joe Justice regarding how Elon runs his companies. He's unique. This has resulted in a unique situation that no other companies can attain. This has resulted in a situation where these few companies have essentially become "breakaway civilizations", leaving everyone lesser, behind. So in a nutshell, Tesla is essentially saying "We need you to help us. We can't do it on our own.", but that statement is becoming "You don't seem to be able to help us because you're incompetent, so damn it, we're going to HAVE to do it on our own now." I'm not saying tesla will make every form of transportation on the road. I'm saying that no one else WANTS to go electric, so tesla is alone in its endeavor and sees a path of complete market dominance. Even China doesn't have the software to do it. When you step back and look at the bigger picture of tesla cars and buses, to planetary starships, to tesla bots taking over human labor, to neuralink ultimately upgrading human intelligence to a vastly greater extent, in time, to starlink connecting it all, the end game seens to be that one genetic freak organism (Elon) was born, and that organism brought the best humans he could find, together to build a completely new way of existence never conceived of before, creating a way of conducting themselves that resulted in the actual precursor to a true breakaway civilization. But Elon is hoping to not break away, but bring everyone along for the ride to humans 2.0. A type 1 civilization. I think that's what we're witnessing here. No one has sat down to discuss how we actually get to a type 1 civilization, but you can see it coming together as all his companies continue to make the breakthroughs necessary for it to come to fruition. I would think Elon thinks at this level and that's why all of this is happening. Not licensing to others is moot when you put it in that context. Elon isn't making self driving cars. He's moving the species forward holistically. This decision is nothing more grandiose than adding another set of cores to the next, more powerful gpu that will power the larger compute device that is ever increasing in power and ultility. What's interesting to posit is that we're all here waiting for these things to happen in order to profit from them, when in fact, that profit won't ultimately end in fat bank accounts, but rather a post monetary mindset where abundance and intellectual capability will supersede a primal desire to accumulate wealth because things won't have monetary value any longer due to a greater intelligence that's moved on to the next form of existence. Ok, I should probably stop now, lol. But it's fking amazing to think about. This is existential stuff. It's post war, famine, disease, and poverty, and on to exploring the fundamentals of the universe and reality for the sake of doing so without restrictions of the by-gone era. Makes my brain tingle just thinking about it 🥰

[@darylfoster7944]

I agree with most of that, but money will still be around. Abundance may make things cheaper, but that doesn't make them free.

[@HornungMoeller]

Why not do both? Licensing AND building their own... If the legacy are to slow - does not matter. Win win. Just start building as many ROBO-taxis and MODEL Y as possible. Now.. I think they will just do both...

[@adamkucera9094]

My hope has always been, and will remain, that Tesla partners with Ford. The last time I mentioned that I was tarred, feathered and run out of town.

[@HalilCeyhun-d9x]

20k XAI303K enough for 2025?

[@michelstronguin6974]

There are monopolies out there which we all just accept as needed monopolies due to the nature of data and network effects. Tesla will just be another one of those. "Not a good look" doesn't apply here.

[@rogergarner7599]

Why give away years of development for a few $ and massive distraction when you can have the whole market eventually. Simply doesn't make sense.

[@Jimshangle]

Will Tesla ever spin off subsidiaries?

[@mnhsty]

They will license to a maker that can build a million robotaxis.

[@mattp1913]

Im a huge fan of tesla and fsd. But people here are fooling themselves. Fsd 13 is not ready yet. It made all kinds of mistakes and almost hit someone in my test drive. Its pretty good in modt cases but no way is it ready for driverless

[@tomdrewenskus8167]

Thank you. Most people watching this channel want Tesla robotaxis to start driving customers tomorrow. Tesla recognizes the huge liability they have with unsupervised autonomous driving, so I don’t think they will roll it out until they are comfortable that it will be accident/incident free. Otherwise, the media will have a field day slamming Tesla (and Elon) nonstop.

[@tribalypredisposed]

Nope, licensing not really going to be a thing except possibly with BYD.

[@petrokladis3576]

Could I ask you a question sir when Tesla hits $1,000 a share what is split or it will continue just going up

[@tomdrewenskus8167]

When you can buy fractional shares nobody should care whether a stock splits or not. I don’t understand why every episode someone is asking/worrying/hoping/guessing about the next Tesla stock split.

[@grahambrown42]

Ford probably already have a skunkworks car for FSD testing. If not they are done.

[@billsrelectric]

IMO Tesla is not in a hurry to "license" FSD. It just is not that simple. It is not a retrofit to existing models. Maybe a Ford will license it someday in the future, but the licensing revenues will be at least 3 years in the future. Car has to be designed, developed and then released. That is at least 3 years out. Probably longer, unless someone starts tomorrow.

[@luciddream9593]

Tesla global domination 🎉 screw going to the moon we going to mars!! LFG

[@billsrelectric]

@@luciddream9593 Tesla is going have to build probably another 8-10 factories to accomplish that goal

[@Scarlet33ph4r4oh]

no, any auto engine vehicle only needs cams and a bigger battery and allowing the car steer the vehicle with a on board computer. any gas engine auto with fsd will be largely more safer and allows easier entry into global auto market already using gas cars. you dont need a ev to have fsd fsd could steer a tank a boat and a rocket it just needs to know how to steer and where to navigate to.

[@AtakanSaliha]

of course is better!!! brilliant future for XAI303K

[@LL-wn8yw]

I think there is a company that pays people to drive with a camera to feed ai driving data.

[@jkatlantic1]

Ford

[@DARNELLDonahue-x2y]

Cheers for all the XAI303K info, im going to swap out ETH to XAI303K now.

[@TayfurOmer]

Of course I have XAI303K and need a ton more.

[@alexisbono24]

I see no possibility that the Chinese government would allow Tesla to control automated driving. The US is in an odd position now. By making the commercial import of Chinese vehicles impossible, the public and regulators will not notice Chinese capability in this space (except perhaps with Waymo). The same might be said for other parts of the world such as Europe and even Japan. Yes, GM and Ford may well partner with Tesla, and it is clear that FSD is a faster path to autonomy, but if you consider the strategic (military?) disadvantage of not having capability in this space, politics may dictate a non-Tesla solution for some countries.

[@stekkem]

tesla never announces new products at earnings calls

[@StacyPartridge-l4q]

XAI303K up 30+%😁

[@landcruiser801]

If FSD proves to be markedly safer than when a human driving then you would think, as with seatbelts, that it would become mandatory for it to be added to a vehicle if not used given the huge costs surrounding motor vehicle accidents in terms of lives and economics. If that were the case would the government force Tesla to give up its patents and/or if Elon is all about humanity... would he not just give up this information to save lives without charge or is it, as many Musk haters would say, all smoke and mirrors with him. Says he wants to save humanity well here would be the chance to prove it.

[@goldenbeers88]

It's a shame the video stopped before everyone's 'hot take' on Elon's video game lies. Although I expect that this was brushed aside anyway as 'not important' by the Elon apologists among the panel. Hopefully I will hear what was said in a future video.

[@billsrelectric]

Not a popular take, but I believe there will be OTHER assisted driving solutions (see BlueCruise, etc) that consumers will be satisfied with for the next 4-5 years. These are NOT Full Self-Driving, but buyers will be happy paying a lot less than FSD, while having assisted driving that is not as good as Tesla's FSD. Also ACCEPTANCE is going to take many years. Look, we are only seeing about 8.5% of new car sales as pure EVs. It is taking years to get people to accept them. The same will happen with FSD.

[@alancane1482]

It'll come down to dollars and cents. When EV's become much cheaper to operate and maintain it'll be over for your dad's old gas guzzling clunker. And that time is coming fast.

[@billsrelectric]

@@alancane1482 I have had an EV for a number of years now, but neighbors and friends are still very reluctant to take the leap. So, personal experience suggests we are looking more at 2035, than 2030 to hit a tipping point.

[@alancane1482]

@@billsrelectric Not if they can save thousands per year now, and as more and more EV's are bought, that means fewer and fewer gas cars aren't. So reverse economy of scale where gas cars get more and more expensive while EV's get cheaper every year.

[@billsrelectric]

@@alancane1482 Yes that will happen, probably in the 2030 to 2035 timeline.

[@alancane1482]

@@billsrelectric Why would anybody invest $50K in a new gas car when resale will fall off a cliff in a five years?

[@Juanvaldez-u5j]

Tesla is not trying to drive legacy out of business.😏