Is the 2013 BMW HP4 BETTER than the New M 1000 RR?

[@KaiSpeedshop]

Hp4 is a better machine. Hands down. This bike was made when BMW was trying to prove a point. Brembo monoblock brakes and abs back in 2013. 2020 and up they cut corners by going with Hayes calipers. 2013 had the shift assist that has been carried over all these years. 2013 had the beautiful Akra ti exhaust. 2013 had the beautiful polished swingarm which they got rid off. Cost cutting again. 2013 Hp4 had all the Gilles bit and pieces which the M1k has but it feels as a follow up. Nothing revolutionary as the Hp4 was when it came out. The Hp4 had this exclusivity when it came out. Even the forged wheels were exclusive. This new Mk1 has all the same stuff as M package model.

[@650ib]

I can agree with you Sir 💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@odwrld9538]

I heard the transmission arnt the best Is that true or a rumor

[@rampage3337]

nah hp4 was the greatest when it came out. but it was already kind of beaten by the generation of s1000rr after the hp4. so no the hp4 is not better than the current S1000rr because it was pretty equal allready before the upgrade to the new s1000rr which is better than every single one of the previous generations. every generation of s1000rr has ben better than the last the only thing you can argue for is the hp4 race.

[@agtronic]

2013 HP4 Competition #1255 here. I haven't ridden in over two years, but I always take some time to have a seat in the garage and just stare at it. Finally took some time over the last two weeks to refresh everything, replace the chain and clean everything. Went for a test ride and holy shit I forgot just how ridiculous this machine is. It really brings out your inner hooligan, even at 43 years old.

[@650ib]

Yessir! It's a great bike

[@ianglennclinkscales-king6081]

you consider selling it? i’m looking for one seriously

[@lukebeitinger3206]

You have no idea how happy I was reading that. 25 year old hooligan here. Makes me glad knowing it doesn’t have to go away. Safe travels✌️

[@agtronic]

@@lukebeitinger3206 It goes dormant, but it doesn’t go away. Just need the right machine to help coax it out of hiding. Hehehe

[@hardhitt3r410]

Gosh am i the only one that liked the 2 different headlights, look? Love that HP4 and the colorway

[@sebw3964]

I bet the hp4 will become a collectors Bike and explodes in value

[@expatbiker6598]

There's nothing special for it to be a collector. Sorry

[@Mon_cur88]

Doubt it

[@pranaysahayind]

If superleggera’s value dont go up why on earth would you even think HP4’s would?

[@fastridav4409]

@@expatbiker6598 What would make it special then ? An Atomic particle blaster on the intake? You fool! 😆

[@vincentmbuyane]

Unlikely.. Even the HP4 race has become just a thought with the introduction of the M1000RR .

[@d.m.2223]

Over many years I've had GSXR's, Kawasaki's, Honda's, Suzuki's and regularly changed bikes. However, when I got my 'HP4 Carbon Competition' years ago I can honestly say it's without a doubt the best bike I've ever owned - in so many levels, to include power, comfort, features, reliability, handling, looks, etc. I would never part with it and will always be more than I can handle, so I've no reason to upgrade. An absolute gem. 650ib's videos are amazing, and such a huge amazing collection of bikes. Just a pity I'm in the UK, as I'd love to have a ride out with him and the lads, even if on the 'filthy streets of Cleveland'. Safe riding!! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@sophonchan4402]

For something that came out in 2013 and can still compete with the new big guns 💪🏼 the HP4 is an instant classic

[@chaz951]

You right. Cause I was riding a hp & 2020 last year. That HP I felt was something special & it did whatever I wanted. Great bike

[@DBLMusic]

I know we’re here for these beautiful machines but can we take a minute to applaud this man’s lawn. Perfection!

[@650ib]

Thanks Bro 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@JK-tu1xx]

If it was my money I would go for the HP4 hands down, but that's because I'm a sucker for nostalgia and I remember that classic commercial back in the day of when they attached a tablecloth to the bike and accelerated so fast all the dishes on the table stood still.

[@FlexFast]

It's also less then half the price of the new s1k

[@jondredd]

Of course newer models should be improved performance on many levels, but that HP4 just looks so much better in its style.

[@ethantalbot1102]

💯 man, I have a 2016 in similar colour and I certainly prefer the look of the older sharper S1Ks over the new one 🤮

[@mtaks1]

Thanks! I love your comments on the HP4. I also got a HP4 2013 Number: 1111 that I love to ride. A real masterpiece. Never going to sell it!

[@650ib]

I agree Sir 🦾🦾🦾🦾

[@MrJayjay0420]

Interesting the reasons you pick the M1000RR, are the same features on the standard K67. 🤔 I loved my 2017 far more than my 2020 RR. Your hp4 is a timeless masterpiece and has something the M1000RR doesn't have.... Character However, I know you'd never sell your hp4, I am not sure if you'd keep your M1000RR 🤷

[@rampage3337]

no modern vehicle has ''character'' that's just what progress does. i agree that new tech makes you feel less connected with your vehicle but it does make you hell of allot faster. and of course the K67 has the same features the M1000RR is based on the K67 and then moded by BMW M division. personally i don't know what i would pick. the HP4 is more fun but the M1000RR is allot beter as a street bike.

[@riturajbalaji3328]

@@rampage3337 yes moder plus retro is awesome

[@slick5491]

Hey man, just wanted to reach out and thank you for such a good report and analysis of these two beautiful, timeless master pieces. I've been watching your videos for a while and even though I've never met you I can tell just how much you enjoy riding all your bikes but most importantly how much you care about doing your videos for us. I haven't been on a motorcycle for quite some time now but I gotta tell you, your enthusiasm is rubbing off on me and you never know I might just start riding again. Much respect and good luck. 😎 👍🏼

[@fzr1000981]

The main issue is I think the overall quality, fit and finish is just better on the previous bike (and least compared to the '19 to current S1000RR)

[@Supaxiro]

Definitely M1000 RR for me too. I love the new tech in 2021 and beyond and the convenience it offers. Its good having options which comes in handy on long rides on "these filthy streets" lol.

[@noisemakers5017]

THIS FILTHY STREETS 😂😂😂😈😈😈

[@grider8344]

I was all set to buy an m1000 but just can't part with my hp sauce. It's loaded brentune race ecu, 2 d expansion, wilbers suspension it's a monster I just love it.

[@Godsblessings1111]

The 13 raised the front tire instantly! Did not see it from the 21! The differences in attitudes.✌

[@MrDeepseadweller]

It’s a difference in settings and rider input. You can make the K67 or M1000RR wheelie as much or as little as you like.

[@macspade2158]

I agree with your choice, I can only speak to looks cause I've never riden either but I love tech and watching you ride and showcase it. It's easy to see why it's alot of people's dream bike including mines.

[@leodobjansky8115]

As a owner of 2016 and 2021 s1000rr , for me both are excellent and exceptional bikes , I find the 16 has soul and character which I didn’t find in the 21 , although the 21 is still a great bike , This comparison is similar to what I faced when I had the 2017 Duc 1299s and the 2020 Duc v4s ,the 1299s had a soul and character as well as symphonic sound

[@christopheralonge7758]

The 2015-2016 s 1000rr was the best stock litrebike ever produced. In my opinion

[@rampage3337]

yeah the new tech has cought upp with the bike world. this lack of soul shit has ben going on in cars for a while now. i don't think we will ever have any new bike that has a soul ever again :(. but i could probably see why they do it. i mean there's just so much you can do to a bike before it becomes to much. and you can't just sell the same bike year after year. the reviewers would just trash your product because the competition suddenly became more comfortable. (like we actually saw with som of the manufacturers that had not really cought upp with the tech yet) sure theres probably a few more pinches of performance you can squeese out of the old tech but then the problem is that the bike is to dangerous for people and that can mean law suits or even worse the complete banning of sport bikes on roads. we had that problem back in the day to where the government wanted to ban bikes because people crashed them to offten

[@williamwintemberg]

Great Review ib! I really, really prefer a clock style ound tachometer. I'm old fashioned but I learned with them and I can't stand modern tachometers. All else I'm good with.

[@MrDeepseadweller]

The TFT allows you to choose between different layouts, not just the one Ib showed. There is a simulated analog tachometer in the Sports menu.

[@williamwintemberg]

@@MrDeepseadweller Yes! I understand but all too many bikes don't. Thanks for bringing that out.

[@saifuddin4274]

2013 s1000rr is a brutal machine love it man

[@The330racing]

I just remembered riding that bike! I miss seeing it. I agree with your pick.

[@650ib]

Thanks Bro!

[@knightguy2699]

Just saw your video under a minute I will always choose the old version, for one simple reason the iconic headlights, I don't really care about the electronics

[@damariswilliams5180]

My brother bought his first sport bike at the same state 8 you passed in this video. It’s a 2011 cbr600rr with a bunch of performance mods!!

[@650ib]

That's so cool Bro

[@coreyfaltus2163]

The HP4 is a special motorcycle for us very few who own them its hard to explain in words not only that they only made them for two years an I remember just throwing some money to try an get my name in the hat but the bike was so rare that everyone had to do that just to try an receive one. I still yet to have ride the m1000 but I can speak for the HP4 an she is amazing machine an puts a big smile on my face everytime I Crack that throttle.....none the less 650 great videos keep up the amazing work an stay safe

[@650ib]

Thanks Bro and you're right

[@Fenmore50]

It’s the right pick! That M1KR is amazing looking!

[@nymetsfan912]

I wish I had the personality of Ib. That alone is worth so much more than owning all those wonderful bikes and cars!

[@chaz951]

I'm glad you did this one!!! We had a 13 HP4 & 20 S1000rr in our stable last year. I felt more comfortable, went faster on the HP. Its like that old friend. We really missing that ol friend now cause the 20 is down w ecu issues & they can't fix it yet. I haven't did a road course in some time & use to be fast. I knew if I took that HP4 after years of being absent I could instantly put down some good numbers. That's how I felt bout that bike!!!! I had to comment before I finished the video. 😆

[@daNeterAUsaru999]

@650ib The king HP-4 hasvfinally been knocked off its throne! I could have sworn you had changed to a full system on the M1000.

[@jtab5392]

Great comparison. Love my 2013 S1k couldn't trade cause I've modified it too much and has sentimental value to me. One day I would like to own a M1000rr or ride one to see the difference.

[@KOVROL]

to be honest, the 1.st S1000RR in 2009 was a much more bigger punch to the market (and the opponents) then this new 2020 RR. HP4 ftw.

[@mrehanrosli]

U can tell the difference between HP4 and M1000rr from the smoothness quick shifter, nimble and engine response way better. Nevertheless, both bikes are good and god bless you always Bro 750ib! Stay safe and enjoy your ride

[@chrisfz09]

I love the HP4 Ib , that’s a beautiful bike 🏍

[@jessegm1]

I hate how the headlights aren't symmetrical. And because of the new model i look at the old model differently and it almost seems wierd the headlights are in that position and not below those fearings like the new model. But all of that is just a slight imperfection and nobody is perfect :D. I'd kill to own one of these

[@skatman3872]

There's a reason for the headlights to be that way ,honestly I like them because there unique and you know what bike that is,now there just conforming to look like the other biked,bikes, love my 14 and love the new one as well

[@skatman3872]

I knew which bike he was going to pick he loves tft and modern stuff

[@skatman3872]

Should race them now

[@K61000]

The 2013 Hp4 is my favorite my Dream bike it’s amazing . I just bought a beautiful 06 R1 not even a month ago garaged it’s hole life toce exhaust absolutely a beautiful bike me and my daughter would go on rides every day till last week when it literally caught on 🔥 when we were driving it smh I’m praying my insurance will give me enough money to buy a new bike but the 2013 is my favorite I love the new one too but for some reason the older one my favorite

[@JohnDoe-ut2mv]

Good to see you yesterday in Miami. Was a blast!!!

[@helgejohan3604]

Hp 4 looks much better🔥🤙

[@mustaqeemadams6390]

If i could i would choose the 2013 hp4 for its adrenalin rush only

[@jimmuncy5636]

You like the BMW 2021's fuel gauge, but doesn't the 2013 tell you how many miles of gas you have left? If so, that's a fuel gauge's basic function, right?

[@stichupman]

Such luxuries my bikes fuel light doesn't even work Haha.

[@bruceesterline3170]

For me the bla bla bla sound of a superbike is better than coffee in the morning 👍

[@MdAli-qf9go]

Just one line to say some bikes are born timeless for eg hp4 ,hayabusa, zx12r, zx14r. And after some years h2 and h2r will also be.

[@twowheelsr6]

I wish we have roads like that out here.

[@bruceesterline3170]

Getting rid of the 2013 would be a mistake.IMA.

[@ethantalbot1102]

I love my 2016 s1000rr, has BST diamond tek wheels and woolich tune and full exhaust system ❤

[@kishalaykumarrana]

ib there are many companies that offer full ultra bright lighe emitting diode plug n play sets for older BMW S1000RRs. I thank those will look on your amazingly beautiful HP4

[@650ib]

Thanks Bro!

[@shawnphillips4473]

Im picking up a 2013 hp4 this coming Friday , it has some nice goodies on it and Only 1048 miles on it

[@650ib]

You're gonna ❤️❤️❤️❤️ it Shawn

[@shawnphillips4473]

@@650ib I can't wait so excited

[@BassWhoopinFishingTeam]

Old livery with the new headlights would be 🔥

[@streetrossi937]

650 I will say you couldn't go wrong with either one

[@lilzo2008]

Thank you!!! I’ve been waiting months for this video. 😆

[@gopherchucksgamingnstuff2263]

I don't know, but the HP4 is a dream bike for me.

[@terrywebb4267]

Hp4 looks like a back street brawler!!!

[@powamoto]

2021 m all day is my choice let's go 650

[@METALGRAMMYS]

BMW is just so baller

[@klinksthebus]

theres the 2013 hp4 and there is ever bike after that its the greatist bike ever made my thoughts

[@mtmatt8958]

State 8 is a great dealership i bought my Mt07 there from Dawson

[@sushi_edits225]

Man I really love your vids, they’re so informative and educational, you rock bro 😎! You rock! Btw my profile picture has an M1000RR

[@OARotifa]

Wating for the RSV4 videos… many thanks 🙏

[@canadianfox3099]

2014 HP4 Competition here, nice review I was looking for a take on the two, you mentioned the seating position up higher on the M1000rr very good to know as I prefer to ride a bike where it feels like you're in the machine instead of on the machine, starting as a GSXR rider I'm all about seating position feeling more in the bike. Your very correct about the HP4 being more of an experience than anything it's an absolute treat every time you toss a leg over. Have you raced both side by side flat out and some pulls side by side of the two? Also what do you think of the wings on the M1000? Look a bit silly if you ask me

[@HIGHLYMOTO]

Top 5 motovloggers. Facts. 🤟

[@ravenmoto5948]

Why are you comparing stock mirrors to stealth mirrors?

[@andrelima5124]

HP4 is a modern classic !

[@grachoderunwiderstehlichen]

This is why... Why i prefer Owner speech /customer talking about against profesionell Journalist scripts! A little bit more "What is behind" /after the very first presentation and all pro&con.

[@Miley-RayStewart]

I think that you just can not compare the HP4 to any S1000.... I mean it is a "homologisation" model based on the S1000RR and they wanted to have their new tech into their racebikes. What was new for me is that the brands only seem to be allowed to have "normal" tech and the ddc for example was something completely new this time. It was basically a gamechanger. And so they have had to bring it on the streets, make experiences with it , learn from it, develop it further and then be able to use it in racing. MAybe this is also why they did name their units with numbers ? And I think this is exactly the feeling that this bike gives you. I mean when I drive mine it is WOW.... But she also sometimes (like me as well haha) has her bad days or maybe ladies days haha... She just sometimes does not know what to do with her muffler so when I start her she closes,opens and so on until i start her up and she gets what to do and sometimes even in modes she shall be save on higher rpm she WILL defenitely lift her front wheel no matter what you try to do.... I also had her acting weird one day and turned her off and on and it was fine again. Also when you accelerate or so... It may sound strange but there is something about the HP4 that does give you like something "personal" also the way she accelerates or so she just seems to learn when you like "want" to become rude or just want to cruise. I have never experienced this with any other bike that i have ridden. And I think this is also totally matching her design as well... The two different front lights are also a bit like "two types" "slpit personality" or alike... Overall I think the HP4 was absolutely ahead of its time and in some luckily very rare ways she also lets you feel that but this is oki. I like it when a bike or a car have their "things" it makes it special in a way. Over here, when a special vehicle has its "special" things and ways to act the people call it "it just has character"... And I think the HP4 is a perfect example for that phrase. And then other people do want the absolute perfection and I guess this is where the M1000 with way better experiences into that kind of the tech and being WAY better developed into perfection. Those are just two different bikes I think.

[@arturchrz]

I like your friend richards austin racing you filmed back in 2014 on his HP4

[@paulbanda2197]

650iiiiiiibbbbb. Love from Johannesburg South Africa.

[@terrywebb4267]

Which is the fastest?

[@skatman3872]

Love bmws1000rrs best engineers easy to work on,I did a bike build on a 14 fantastic bike,

[@zod7894]

Look at that assymetric head light

[@theonlyredspecial]

Both great bikes but Ducati v4 sp for me With full akrapovic 😍

[@JonnyRides]

Always loved my HP4 but that new M1000rr

[@BusaZiir]

Your bikes look so clean all the time even the older once. Do you wash them after every ride ?

[@nymetsfan912]

I’ve noticed that too. I’m pretty sure he has someone detail them often. They’re always showroom ready.

[@BusaZiir]

Ya totally. what is the secret of these fine clean bikes Ib650

[@650ib]

Hey Bro. I wash them after every ride using Motul Wash N Wax spray. I use soap and water only when I get caught in rain. I also dust them off inside my garage once a week.

[@BusaZiir]

Okay thank you for your answer and for awesome videos. I Will look for that motul spray 💪👍

[@650ib]

@@BusaZiir hey Bro... A link to the Motul spray and everything else I use is in the video description 🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾

[@what2watchyt]

Comparison I been waiting for.

[@gopherchucksgamingnstuff2263]

I do not ride like I am bored in a car. Don't need picture calling or music info. Not answering my phone and that thing sings better to me.

[@abcjelly]

BMW bikes r just beautiful 😍

[@zunaidkajee4540]

Hello, bud, from South Africa 🇿🇦. I know we are talking about different beasts, but I just grabbed the last k1600GT that was available in South Africa. The new model coming in a few months now has that new tablet screen. Call me old school, but I prefer the analog dials, looks like a proper dash to me. Safe riding

[@brick9790]

Damn man Nice Bikes Gzzzzzz !!

[@odwrld9538]

Ima wait and get the HP-M that's going to be a crazy bike 😎

[@Utahforrest]

When was this filmed? Doesn’t look like winter in northern Ohio!

[@walleviolencia]

Take the M1000rr turn off most of the electronics and put the engine/throttle-response in full mode/linjear Pfff. C’mon now, all other is nostalgia..

[@shawnhughes615]

Them rixoma mirrors are 🔥

[@superb63amg94]

M all the way!!!!!!!

[@gopherchucksgamingnstuff2263]

My 750 has surge lope. I love it lol

[@thibaut2716]

I love my s1000rr 2012 black

[@G0ogs]

I have the 2013 HP4 but are considering the M1K because i feel those winglits will keep the front end planted when I,m doing 180mph to the cafe🤣

[@floridajames04]

Short Answer No. DUH! This dude all bout flexxin.

[@mtmatt8958]

Awesome content as always

[@650ib]

Thanks Bro 💯

[@borenyodewan9759]

Love from Bangladesh ❤️🔥🔝🔥

[@shotalomidze7808]

I's mine 💙 HP4 bro

[@nymetsfan912]

I noticed those chicken strips on the HP4 are lookin a little thick. I was like that for a while then started to relax more when turning and found myself at first scraping my boot on the ground in a turn. Then pushed it further and started lightly touching my knee down since I don’t have leathers on. There are no chicken strips on my bike now not even on my 2015 V-Strom 1000.

[@agentsmith7727]

chicken strips are to be removed on the track only, no point risking a high value bike on the streets

[@nymetsfan912]

@@agentsmith7727 I agree but disagree. It is a high value bike that shouldn’t be layed down but live a little.

[@streetrossi937]

650 how much would it cost you to fill up all your motorcycle gas tanks and one day at the same time 1 after another

[@rudedog3529]

Well, in my case ...... 😈😈 kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJjXeIWNe5aBbqM

[@EWDrums]

Wow that 2021! Hey 650ib, where can I get some street fairings for my track only 2014 HP4? (I bought it that way). I’ve searched the world over it seems! Thanks!

[@TEDMATAGRANO]

I also own a 2021 M1000RR it does not have tpms sensors

[@Alps6408]

God damnit 650, that HP4 is such a special machine, I envy you... I quickly came to the reality that I will NOT own a motorcycle here in Florida... after moving from the UK I figured it would be awesome... Florida drivers, well... they are special... Maybe if I move to another state, besides there aren't many if any good driving roads here. That is one thing I miss about the UK + Europe.

[@nymetsfan912]

I live in the north east and have been to Fl a few times and can attest to that. They are some of the worst drivers I’ve seen and I live near NYC.

[@bitupandeka1719]

Daily vlogs 650ib bro support from India Subscriber

[@mohannair]

I’m never selling mine. The new bikes are better but they don’t have the same soul.

[@drgunit893]

did anyone else notice the deer in the background at the start of the vid at the left in the field?

[@powamoto]

Vid so awesome VS vids we love so I brought all these thumbs ups 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@650ib]

Thanks man... See u soon 🦾

[@powamoto]

@@650ib yes sir. Gang is in route

[@joybiswas2046]

I like this you're all videos 😘👍❤

[@650ib]

Thanks 🙏🏿💯

[@karnal1710]

Awesome hp4

[@gixxerboyroyluvdrumswaters9023]

More busa content please! 😆

[@amirnazir3132]

Nice decision Bro.

[@reesecapone1942]

Nice vid IB I want to buy a new S1000 but I haven't had time to sell my 2018 Gixxer.