Is the 308 Winchester the Ideal Deer Cartridge

The 308 Winchester, formerly known as the 7.62 NATO round is one of America's favorite hunting and sporting cartridges. Lets take a close look at this fine cartridge, and explore how well it is suited to the sport of deer hunting, as well as larger game such as elk.

[@ULFISHGETTER]

Super glad I found this channel. I’m an avid outdoorsman from the Cumberland valley. Currently stationed in California in the USMC, but I’ll be head back in less than 2 years. I put a Winchester Model 70 Extreme Weather SS in .308 on layaway a few weeks ago over the phone at Kentucky Outdoorsman in Corbin, Ky. I wanted a 30-06, but if you know anything about the model 70’s it seems Winchester is putting them out in limited numbers and this 308 is the only one I could find without paying close to MSRP. I’m coming home in November for deer season and am looking very forward to getting it sighted in. Putting a Tract Toric 2-10x42 scope on it and then it’s going straight to the deer woods. I’ve been using a Tikka 30-06, but wanted something a little more classic (with a modern twist) and I’ve always wanted a model 70. So merry Christmas to me! Hopefully it shoots well and can be used for years to come and lords will be passed on to the next generation at some point. God bless. This definitely makes me feel better with going, with the 308.

[@waynejenkins6259]

My first exposure to this cartridge was in 1967 when I was in Basic Training, where we trained and qualified with the M-14. Later, I acquired my own first centerfire rifle, a Savage 99 chambered in .308. That rifle has accounted for approximately a dozen bucks in ranges from as close as 15 yards, out to 250 yards. It did the job each and every time I called on it. The Savage 99 is still with me and probably will be for my lifetime. Thanks, Tom for another enlightening and informative video.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

Wow! Now that's a great response to this video. First hand experience with the 308 both in the military, and in civilian life. The Savage 99 is an absolute classic. I should locate one and make a video with it. Thanks Wayne, you have really added a great deal to this channel.

[@Don-outdoors]

Thanks for the video on the 308 , good job and take care

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

Glad you liked it. Thank you.

[@ericrumpel3105]

Love your sporterized Mauser 98,....reminds me of & takes me back to a kid in the early 60's clear up through the 80's yet when they were still in demand & ruled supreme, even though I have others for easy barrel swap now, the 98's will always be near & dear to my heart - supreme Rifles, the young generation just don't know what they're missing,....as usual....lol

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

How true !?! Thanks for the compliment.

[@jeffmashburn8684]

I can't say enough about how enjoyable your videos are Tom ...I've spent countless hours watching and thoroughly enjoying my subscription with you...thank you for inviting us into your personal outdoor activities..

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

Thank You. That means a great deal to me.

[@Xenophon120]

The 308 is still the most versatile, efficient, effective, do all cartridge that man has yet designed. Until and unless some kind of new technology profoundly changes small arms employment I don’t see any new wiz bang cartridge superseding the 308 in efficiency, effectiveness, and general utility.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

You understand rifle ballistics very well!

[@CutandShoot5x5]

I appreciate the comment. I’m considering a rifle in 308!

[@fuzztsimmers3415]

I prefer the 7mm08

[@mkshffr4936]

For some old timers the .308 _is_ a new whizbang cartridge. 😊

[@Xenophon120]

@@mkshffr4936 Lol, I’ve enjoyed old timers my entire life. The arrogance of the world thinking there smarter than the old people is the reason we’re so far off track.

[@easttexan2933]

Tom, I'm 77 and have been using Rem Cor-Lokts since the late 50s in various calibers. They still perform just fine on whitetails and hogs. My last buck was two seasons ago with an Interarms Mark X 7x57 (I have since gifted it to my grandson) with 140gr cor-lokts. Center punch the front shoulder, dropped in his tracks.

[@Darryl792]

Good video. The old 308 is good. I like the .303 British as well. Both are excellent for deer and moose.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

Old but still actively successful.

[@l.a.3887]

Love the 308 thanks for the video

[@ScottKelterborn]

Great show.

[@larrybodyfelt9380]

I've been shooting 308 WIN and 7.62 NATO since 1968 and still can't get enough. I enjoyed you video very much.

[@motorosso3349]

That sporterized Mauser is very cool. You are a lucky fellow. I shoot a modern Benelli Lupo (wood stock version) in .308, but your rifle is very nice.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

Those Benelli's are nice, and if I had one it would be a wood stock model as well. I just like the traditional look and feel of wood so much better.

[@emerycreek8016]

I love your rifle and how special that it was handed down by an old friend! The .308 is known for being a very accurate cartridge. My Dad always loved the .308. Another .308 based round is the .260 Remington. That is right there with the 7mm/08 and 6.5 Creedmoor. It might even be the best of those 3 for deer/antelope only.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

Ahh yes! The 260 Remington....how could I forget that fine little cartridge. Thanks for watching.

[@57mckee]

Yes 308 is my favorite rifle cartridge. My Savage 308 is very special for me. I have gotten deer every time I have shot with my 308 .

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

Is yours a model 99?

[@57mckee]

@@CumberlandOutdoorsman yes I was going to say how did you know but you know. I can tell from what I seen. Your experience shows in the way you talk and the things you say. Thank you

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

@@57mckee Savage arms started chambering those fine old rifles in 308 because they knew it was a true performer, and people would want it. I once had the chance to get a model 99 in 308, but passed on it. I now wish I had that chance again.

[@57mckee]

@@CumberlandOutdoorsman I also have the bolt action model 10 in 308 Winchester and it has also served ne well so far. I always thought that Savage rifle were cheap and unreliable but I was wrong. There really good rifles.

[@ultrahighgain412]

I recently started hunting with a 7mm-08. Love it!

[@matthewhollingshead9095]

Fellow ky guy here like your range

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

Thanks buddy.

[@bruceperry4770]

I enjoy your videos. Thanks for the effort.

[@richardlucas2155]

Thanks also for the jug test at 100 yards I get tired of test at 10 or 20 yards proves very little to me thanks again

[@64samsky]

308, 7mmO8, 3006, 6.5 Grendel, 6'5 CM, 7mm Mag, and 243. If you are a reloader, pick your pill. They are all very capable, as long as you can hit where you are aiming.

[@scenicdriveways6708]

Good video Tom, The .308 is no doubt a great deer cartridge. But I've used a .243 in Wyoming on mule deer and they were just as dead as when I hunted them with a 7mm Rem. mag. My wife shot quite a few deer with her Winchester 94 in .32 Win. Special.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

Proof positive that you don't really need a magnum in most situations.

[@scenicdriveways6708]

@@CumberlandOutdoorsman I agree.

[@raleighthomas3079]

Great video Tom, and a great classic cartridge. As you said, a nearly perfect balance of power, recoil, range and effectiveness. It will flatten deer, black bear, hogs, and elk without excessive blast and recoil that is needless.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

Thanks for the comment. I hope to review this cartridge more in upcoming videos.

[@fedup3582]

The 308 is a fantastic cartridge, versatile, well balanced, perfect? I don't think I would go that far. Perfection is very subjective. I keep looking for the perfect anything but I never find perfection. The 308 is a very fine, proven cartridge for many things. With luck it will be around for a long time to come.

[@jimamccracken5783]

Tom, As you know I have several rifles in various calibers but. When it comes to deer here in West Virginia 308 is a great choice for open shooting.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

Indeed!😊

[@msw00]

My first Catskill Mountain deer rifle was a Remington Model 788 in .308, Weaver fixed four power scope. Went overseas and gave that to my brother, replaced it with a Ruger 77 RSI in .308, Leopold 1 x 4 scope in Idaho for deer and elk/moose. Present .308 is a Ruger M77 Mark II, Leopold 2x7, used factory ammo (love Core Loct 180 grain Remington cartridges), and reloaded extensively (.308 Game King (?) 165 spire tip boat tail). I would use those rifles in any location in North America for any game and have except for the big bears, harvested over 25 deer (Whitetail and Mule), Pronghorn, Moose and Elk. Best cartridge in my opinion for everything except Griz/Brown and Polar Bears. Love that cartridge. Would be my one if that's all I could have.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

Looks like you have a great deal of experience with the 308. I love the Remington 788, and own one in .222 Rem.

[@swhedge71]

Very informative video Sir! In-depth description, pleasant mannerisms, thoroughly enjoyable! Got a new sub! Cheers from Texas! Love your .22 series also!

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

Thank you. The .22 series is slowly gaining attention.

[@Me2Lancer]

Thank you for your post. You're comments fit perfectly in my wheelhouse. My first centerfire rifle was the Winchester Model 70 in 30-06. I currently use 308, 243 and 7mm-08. For about 20 years I carried the 7mm Rem Mag.

[@paulmoss7940]

Its really good short action cartridge. I started with one almost 50 yr. ago . It has the benefit of NATO status and availability during the shortage was good ,and reasonable compared to other cals. Plus the AR10 platform. Still, I'm an unrepentant 30/06 guy and won't change.I was like #306..lol

[@mkshffr4936]

A good one but there is no ideal. Anyone remember the 7x57 Mauser?

[@rotasaustralis]

Wonderful to see you cherish your friends rifle. It's a good shooter & a damn reliable action & you'll get all the years you'll need out of it & hand it on to keep both your memories alive. I'm around your age & things take on a different meaning at our age & I heard a little pain in your voice as you spoke about your friend. All the best to you & yours. And I did enjoy this video.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

Thank you. He was indeed a true friend.

[@dangaines405]

Those guys are great! That Mauser looks amazing!

[@charleywalker2982]

Thanks for sharing your videos and keep them coming please.

[@GenX-Grampa]

I’m in thick southern TN woods and have hunted the last 8 years with the new .300blk. I have a short, light and HANDY AR pistol with a 11” barrel in .300blk and love it! Ballistically the .300blk is very similar to 30/30 but carries its energy out to 200 + yards if I do come across a pasture I need to take a shot out across. It’s just become such a great “do all” round for me in my situation. Plus a FAST follow up shot if I ever need it! .308 is just not a good round in the thick brush I hunt 75% of the time.

[@Pygapascoe160]

Man that Mauser sounds amazing!!

[@davidnave4349]

I enjoy your video , In this day and age , Unless your a new gun owner it should not matter how many guns you have or what caliber . The why is simple . Do I need them NO but its all about I can thus I will own them.

[@brucearney9536]

You forgot the military 7.62 x 51 . That's why the 308 is so popular . Love it or hate it it here for a long time like any other military cartridge. Nice review !

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

Thanks...that's right. I was really focusing on the sporting version. KZbin doesn't like anything tactical or military, so I left it out.

[@308guy8]

I love the 308 very easy to load for and super accurate considering I have accumulated 6 over the years

[@phillipperkins2770]

I’m quite fond of the 308 myself. I first had a Mauser chambered in 308 back in 1980 with open sights it was dead on. Then a HK 91, then a FAL which I still own, a Remington 700, and my latest 308 is a M1 Garand that I had a new match grade barrel installed in. Can’t get enough of the 308

[@jamesholt6032]

I remember my first experience with a 308 Winchester...i had bought a Browning BLR in a 308 Win.. LATER ..a Savage model 99 A......in a .308 Win. And at the present ..A Remington Model 700 Classic in a .308 Win...

[@larryalexander4833]

I've been hunting since I was in my teens. I'm 51 now I have and have had different caliber rifles . But my go to caliber is 308 for accuracy, and knock down without being over kill. Will say with the 243 you need the proper bullet type . I prefer the 308 150gr sereia game king or sst bullets .

[@richardlucas2155]

Reloading changes the game compared to other factory rounds 125 SST and 125 accubond game changers in that caliber good information thanks

[@derekp6636]

started with a 30-06 and thats when I learned to custom handload softer rounds.....my shoulder thanked me. I've got a 308 somewhere but tbh it rarely goes to the range I should fix that next trip. 168gr corelokts have always shot good for me.

[@jeffreywilson690]

With 223 it's not that pressure, it's the ogive of the heavy 22 cal bullets are set. As far as 308 to 30/06 there is no substitute for cubic inches for the heavy for cal 308 bullets

[@anthonykaiser974]

Yeah, what the average Joe who hasn't read up doesn't understand is the pressure readings for NATO ammo are taken in a different manner and locations than SAAMI and/or CIP. The actual pressures are pretty comparable in a NATO chamber. .223 Rem is not throated for 62 grain bullets.

[@ryanjones5592]

The 308 is a great deer rifle but living in the plains states I prefer the 270 for less drop and drift

[@jerrystill1936]

Hey Tom new sub here, great content and thanks for sharing. The 308 Winchester is my favorite cartridge along with the Rem 22-250. I load them both and have had great results in accuracy. USMC Vietnam 68-69

[@tp-mh2ji]

I've got (4) different 308's Newest is the Ruger SFAR 308 20" barrel. Great Video ❤

[@vincentwood7036]

Yes, but not only deer, pretty much anything. Here in Africa we have some very big game like Eland, and very tough game like the Blue Wildebeest. The .308 Winchester handles them like its taking a Sunday stroll. I see there are guys in the USA who even hunt Bison with it. It is possibly the most versatile cartridge that exists.

[@superzuki5831]

I absolutely love the 308. I inherited my Grandpa's Winchester model 88 back in 1979. I have many rifles but it is my go to hunting rifle. It shoots 180 grain Power Points very accurately and it's a devastating one shot and done rifle.

[@nathanlambshead4778]

Thanks for the video. I use those Hornady 165 grain interlocks myself, although I also use Federal 180 grain softpoint. Depending on availability. Just a couple clicks difference in zero. I did not think the Hornady was a boat tail in this variation?

[@daveyboy6985]

is the 308 the same powerwise as the British 303?

[@Yelladog78]

308 is like a good faithful wife you've had for many years, a wise man stays faithful to her & doesn't go off chasing new something new & pretty

[@eliinthewolverinestate6729]

When people say that some thing is too small or under powered to kill whatever. Fred Bear killed a polar bear with 52 lb bow. Why does an arrow drop a buffalo but a 223 don't. Penetration and the way the weight is stacked. The bullet dumps all its energy on impact. The arrow the energy is stacked. Meaning it has energy left even after it starts to penetrate. A 22 is as deadly as far as it is accurate. My .50 cal and bow shoot really close on fps. And arrow weight about same as round ball. My money is on arrow passing through animal over the round ball. About same energy and weight but one penetrates better.

[@frederickking1660]

I found a bandolier of lake city 64 at local shop. I bought a m1a loaded model from Buds guns. First 3 shots at 50 yards made one hole not much bigher than 308. I keep that target in the bag the rifle was delivered in

[@Longtrailside]

308, 30-06, and definatly 300wm are all a bit much for deer, especially if you use the wrong bullet. You need to be carefull on where you shoot them without destroying to much meat. I do agree with you the 243 is all you need. Though you need to be very accurate with it, since it is well documented that it doesn't like to leave blood trails. The 7mm08 is a fantastic caliber for deer, and your shoulder. I would take it over the 6.5creed.

[@jimamccracken5783]

243 is a great rifle especially Rem 700 BDL from the 1970s.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

I would love to own a Remington model 700, model 7, or a 788 in 7mm-08.

[@Jameskenomis3]

I have to disagree that the .308 and 30-06 are a bit too much for deer.

[@anthonykaiser974]

Maybe not if you're doing strictly heart/double-hung shots, but if you're trying to pin them in place like with shoulder shots and are close in, agree fast 30s are a sure recipe for meat loss.

[@fedup3582]

Bullet choice affects that greatly no matter what cartridge you are using.

[@bullseyedixon5660]

THANK YOU SIR

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

Thanks, you are quite welcome.

[@dalanwanbdiska6542]

Im shoot a bolt action 556. That was meant to equal up to 30.06 in killing power with a smaller faster bullet. im using 55 grains 556 or 223 bullets. Mines marked 556*45 military so im good with using 223. Fmj are ok bullets but for hunting id use a soft tip. my rifles twist is only meant for 55 grains and less , 1-12 twist. Red dot sight zeroed for 25 yards gives me a 75 yards far zero. Close range shooter and flat. Good gopher , crow , beaver , and woodchuck round.

[@gregsmith8469]

I gut good results using Varget for trloading the 308.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

Mine seems to favor Varget as well. Thanks!

[@rdsii64]

I'm not knowledgeable enough to say what constitutes an ideal deer cartridge. With that said, a 308W is what I hunt with and I do not feel like I need any more gun. Where I hunt here in eastern North Carolina, the state game lands hold both white tail deer and black bear.

[@ryobiman]

The ideal caliber is the one you don’t have! 😊

[@michaelbetts5723]

I have hunted deer, since the late 60's with a Winchester Model 88 .308, 165 grain soft point for many years, 98% one shot!

[@dennydavis2914]

I would choose a 7mm-08, even less recoil with better terminal ballistics.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

The 7mm-08 is an under-rated cartridge that deserves more attention. I would love to have a Remington 788 chambered in 7mm-08. In fact I would rather have the 7mm-08 than the 6.5 Creedmoor that everybody raises so much fuss about. The 308 though is simply a time proven veteran. Not as flat shooting as the 7mm-08, but inside 250- 300 yards it does quite well especially with the bullets available to us now.

[@anthonykaiser974]

Basically a 7mm Mauser (at SAAMI pressure levels) in a short action cartridge.

[@dennydavis2914]

I am now using a Weatherby Vanguard in 7mm-08 after using a Savage m10 in 243 for the last 15 years@@CumberlandOutdoorsman

[@ronkay1573]

Yes using federal 175gr terminal ascent ammo. It’s a bullet shaped liked a match bullet but bonded. My Springfield armory M1A preban super match likes it and it exits both shoulders over 400yds on whitetails in my experience. Plus shoots as accurate as Sierra match king bullets over 500yds.

[@charleshuyck6641]

I use 308 on most game with hot ballistic tip, boat tail controlled expansion. With a hot 220 grain I am happier with the 06 than the 300 Win with in 300 yds and yes an 06 can shoot a 220 to 300 the penetration and sectional density will out do Mr. 300 and I have taken large bear and Bison with it cleanly. It's hard to be the versatility of 06 and the 08 is great for black bear, moose, elk and deer. The 06 is more capable on bigger stuff than most cartridges even the mags.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

For mule deer, yea. For white tails, 308 is a little over kill. You can drop some recoil and have a super easy to shoot, light, rifle and plenty of deer tags filled.

[@jw.6410]

Its a great deer caliber, I have taken many deer with one

[@henrysara7716]

Thank you.

[@frankwrogg2515]

That perfecta used to be a walmart brand till they dropped it. I thought it was a Fiocchi brand manufacturer

[@cesarperezarganaraz8845]

Excelente explicación!!!!!

[@MegaBait1616]

.308 is my go to round.......short action receiver, ez to reload, ez to find ammo n projectiles, can always use 7.62 Nato rounds.... Like .22 lr's ya can always get ammo...... be well.

[@garyk76]

I think the 7mm08 and the 308 are ideal for deer the 243 and the 6.5 creedmoor are to small alot more deer are lost by people using a 6.5 creedmoor vs a 308

[@anthonykaiser974]

Where do you get your data?

[@garyk76]

@@anthonykaiser974 I know several guides who won't let their clients hunt with a creedmoor

[@anthonykaiser974]

@@garyk76 where?

[@anthonykaiser974]

@@garyk76 well, when you talk about guides, I assume you're out west, where shots are probably long. We don't have many of those here in Indiana, probably because WT are thick, ranges typically short, and everyone has a hunting spot. 6.5 Grendel will drop a large buck at 100 yds easily with proper loads. If I think I'm doing a shot across a beanfield, the Swede with a 140 gr Partition is probably getting the nod. If we're going stalking, it's likely the Grendel with 125 gr Partitions from a Zastava Mini Mauser or a 16 1/2" suppressed 7-08 R700 I'm working on getting chopped and threaded. If I was out West, I would probably agree, 7-08 full barrel or heavier, unless my Swede Zastava Mauser was rechambered to AI. Not much a 140 gr Partition can't handle inside its velocity envelope. I have my eye on .280 AI for the Western game.

[@johnnorman7708]

​@@garyk76Any big game guide that is so opinionated as to ban an adequate cartridge is a guide that is already booking up and doesn't need any additional hunting clients.

[@yourmomma2995]

my savage .308 didn't care for the perfecta, or the core-loked ammo, but it really digs the federal blue box.

[@jmkhenka]

In sweden the 6.5x55 was the defacto moose cartridge. But then came the 308 and it has surpassed it a while ago. But the ol' 6.5x55 is still the second most common cartridge both in new and old guns. The x55 is generaly loaded with 156-160 grain boolits to be legal to use on moose/bear. The 308 is better adapted to modern laws regarding impact energy and especially when considering Lead Free bullets, wich the x55 cant use legaly on moose due to the regulations regarding min weight and min impact energy. We class wild bore in the same level as moose so the 308 is a natural pick for new hunters and if you look at the stores - 95% of whats on the shelves are 308...

[@keithfreeman5204]

Back in the mid 60's I took my first deer with a 30-30. Now I handload for the 357 magnum and use a 22 in long barreled Rifle. I start with what the manual says is a max load. Then I work the load down till I get a three shot group, all holes touching. The adjust the group to print dead center of the bullseye. That's my hunten load for that bullet. Each target gets a custom load for that target. Deer, hog and groundhog each get there loading. 2 deer and a big boar feral hog. 60 and 72 yrs for the deer and 53yds on the pig. All O.S.O.K. The 308 is the little brother to the 30-06, 30-30 the runt of the litter. All 30 caliber. No matter the raw power it's still shot placement.

[@fuzztsimmers3415]

I would say 308 is an ideal not THE ideal deer round.

[@lawrencecardente533]

It would have been nice if you had mentioned the 260 Remington and 338 Federal rounds.

[@hendrikkiliaan7639]

It’s the most popular hunting cartridge in West Europe, even in Scandinavia, where the 6.5x55 used to rule supreme.

[@Pixx4you]

I live out west and have chased deer around since I can remember. You can shoot other cartridges but you can't do better than a .308 for western mulies and thicket-dwelling whitetail.

[@rickpope4545]

A great cal

[@REDNECKROOTS]

Im up in the north woods and the deer get really big here. Not uncommon to kill a buck over 250lbs dressed here. Some are 300lbs dressed. The 243 just dosent have the punch on tgese big deer up here. Ive used it and yes it killed the deer .but it was a long drawn out death and half mile chase. I just have much better luck w my 308 or 3006 . Its just got tha extra umph needed on big mountain deer.

[@michaelgarner4229]

I want a good blood trail. So that means bullet construction is important to me. I want good expansion and high weight retention. Which caliber you use is almost irrelevant.

[@fedup3582]

The 300 win mag doesn't give a heavier punch at longer distances than the 30-06, it gives the same punch at longer distances, approximately 100 yds farther. It gives a heavier punch at the same distances.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

That's what I meant to say. Sometimes I don't relay my message as well as I intended.

[@fedup3582]

@@CumberlandOutdoorsman I know what you mean, I have done similar things too often myself, I apologize if I came off as a jerk, was just trying to correct the statement. Too often I hear people claiming the 300 magnums are some sort of "super cartridges " and then putting down the standard cartridges. 300 magnums only push the same bullets at higher speeds, which for the most part only extends the range that a certain "punch" can be delivered.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

No problem my friend. No apology necessary. I totally agree with you in regards to magnum vs. standard cartridges. Personally I think the 308 and 30-06 size cartridges will do the job very well if hunters would do their part in terms of woodsmanship, and marksmanship. Quite often todays hunters think that magnum cartridges somehow makes up for poor shooting ability. A bad shot is a bad shot no matter what caliber. @@fedup3582

[@fedup3582]

@@CumberlandOutdoorsman 👍👍👍

[@Mr257weatherby]

Do you know of any data or damage documented on the 223/5.56 issue? I understand the concept but I'm not sure I believe.

[@anthonykaiser974]

Reality is you shouldn't use GI 62 grain loads in .223 rifles because the SAAMI throat isn't set up for it. That's where the pressure problem really comes from, the throat. Heavier bullets didn't factor in because .223 twist was traditionally 1:12, as was the first M-16 rifle, which used 55 gr bullets in the M193 cartridge loading.

[@dominichoffert1338]

How does 8mm mauser anti up to 308 for hunting big game

[@jorge66518]

The Sellier&bellot came with that "ridge" to act like a leather hole punch after the front nose mushrooms, cutting a perfect hole in the animal hide.

[@jeffdanner653]

Totally agree . Not much you can't do with the 308 .

[@dominicohea5624]

You’re right

[@konoctiswigwam8130]

Seems you're ignoring the fact that the 6.5cm uses the same case as the 8.6 blackout, which basically does the same thing you mention about the 243. Can shoot 225 grain bullets at 2000-2100 fps. It's all good, heh? I have 308 and 6.5cm, 300 blackout, 8.6 blackout, et al...

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

OK, I know 6.5 is a capable cartridge, and no there's all these experimental rounds coming about such as the 8.6 blackout you mentioned, (and I've never heard of). The fact remains that the .308 Win. has earned its popularity in the hunting world, and will still be around taking game for quite some time. I didn't ignore any cartridges on purpose (sorry 'bout that). I just wanted to focus on the .308, and the cartridges that sprang from it.

[@konoctiswigwam8130]

@@CumberlandOutdoorsman You could say the 6.5cm sprang from the 308. I have 308 rifles and do like the cartridge, so don't paint me as a 6.5cm freak. I have 3 or 4 good options that will pretty much take down any game in NA.

[@konoctiswigwam8130]

@@CumberlandOutdoorsman I should also mention that the twist rate of the 8.6 blackout (and newer/faster twist rates of the 300 blackout) are game changers in regard to previous twist rates. This has something to do with the massive impact that 8.6 blackout creates. They use a 1:3 twist, the barrel looks like a corkscrew when you look down it. The 300 blackout uses a 1:5 twist, where the original was 1:8. The 12" barrel is supposed to be ideal for people that want to shoot both supersonic and subsonic. Subsonic lobs a 285 grain fracturing projectile at 1050 fps. Supersonic around 2050 fps. That's some smack down power up to 500 yards easy.

[@jimpalmer4916]

The 308 is the perfect deer rifle along with the 7-08. The second is the 270, 280 and the 30/06. This is because you get that same killing power with lighter guns for deer and such.

[@josephsoltes1250]

Any videos on 270

[@jimpalmer4916]

The 308 is the same thing as the 30/06 when you have a 24 inch barrel and the 30/06 has a 22 inch barrel. This is just a 30/06 short.

[@clintonlayne9253]

Sometimes things need to be said The Jonny come lately 6.5 Crippled more has all the lime light glitter and mouth pieces raving about it .

[@independentthinker8930]

I like the 308, have one, but I'm a meat hunter, velocity blood shoots a lot of meat so I went with a big hunk of lead moving slower. I went with 50 beowulf. I handload them to my desired velocity. I call it my punkin chunker! LOL

[@eliinthewolverinestate6729]

A 308 does nothing great, but does a lot good enough. Yes it can match up with 30-06 with a lighter bullet. 308 moves faster than 30-06. Velocity vs mass. With less twist stuff moves faster. Like we see with arrows. Lighter arrow less fletching, less spin, less drag, and it goes farther and hits harder. That is why the 243 out performs a 308. A long bullet flies better and needs less twist. The twist slows a bullet down but makes it more stable. A longer bullet don't need more powder. You can get higher pressures with a longer lighter bullet same amount of powder. Bullet construction is worth looking at. I shoot 357,38,36 all about same diameter. I have even patched 357 wad cutters in my 36 cal b.p. and loaded cowboy rounds in 38. The 38 is rifled. The 36 with same powder same bullet hits harder because smooth bore, but not as accurate. I like 125 gn 308 bullets with my 12.5 pinned barrel. They hit like my arrows. Up close it's passing through.

[@naturescalm4077]

Actually longer bullets need a faster twist rate than shorter ones, in order to stabilize. The 308 is not a ballistic match to the 30/06 spr. As was said in the video, the 06 has more powder capacity, so it will push bullets of the same weight faster, all else being equal.

[@frederickking1660]

Yes it is.

[@deanmacka4975]

Stuff Me Stubbie Mate! I didn't know that about the 223 and the 556 223 I'll keep that info in me knoggen. Not that I have a Remington 223 . Great video mate 👍 ps I love my 243 tikka little jayjay is the rifle of my choice and little sue she is a tikka 22/250 my son is in love with his 17, remember the 17 Remington that was a great little cartridge. Top stuff mate 🍻🇦🇺👍

[@jansobieski7470]

Hey neighbor, some remarks here... i wish i was your neighbor... invest in a chronograph, you'll learn those factory fps's are too often bs... out of the .308, 150gr great for whitetail, 165gr great for mule deer and elk if you are good shot, 180gr for elk if you are average shot and if you are below average, stay at home... btw, you neglected the 257 Roberts... THE ORIGINAL dual purpose cartridge... i killed a whitetail doe at around 450-500 yards wit mine... (it is a sported O3-A3 wit a bull barrel spitting Sierra 90gr BTSP's)... have enjoyed your homey vids i have viewed... once again, i wish i was your neighbor...

[@stevefrompa7181]

Yes

[@glenoh88]

I think .243 is better in a pinch if the rifle is really used to depend on for food. 308 does too much damage to small game and 22 is not as reliable to kill medium game

[@johnnorman7708]

.308 does everything its parent .300 Savage cartridge did and then some.

[@gregpace4676]

YES!

[@monumentlandscapeservicesl6464]

Pretty much, yeah.

[@birddog7492]

The 308 would have died had the military not adapted it. It's a good cartridge, but not as versatile as the 3006.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

I would have to agree.

[@mattmills5145]

Not exactly historically correct. The military developed the T65 cartridge to replicate the 30/06 in a short action in the 1940’s. Winchester engineers thought that it was a sound idea and released their civilian version in the mid fifties. So you see the military had put it service before the “ 308 Winchester “ ever existed.