Is the Phoenix 1600 the best slope plane!?

G'day All,
Today was the first trip down to the slope (40W) with a few of the boys for a long time. And the wind was turned up to 11. While I did fly a couple of other planes, the Phoenix 1600 is my favourite at the slope. I was lucky enough to have Tony come up and join me in his ASW28, which performed amazingly. Such a good time. I hope you enjoy.
Cheers Michael
p.s Remember the ol' sayin - Rubbing is Racing !
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[@cammo3876]

That wind was ripping ✌️

[@xxMADxMICKxx]

It is a shame I didn't get some footage of you up there in the mix too, but there will always be another day...

[@AndrewNewton]

Got away with that one! Damn I missed the session.

[@xxMADxMICKxx]

Yes, "got away" with it, but only for the motor. Im not sure I would have found her again if it was a pure slope plane. It is a shame you missed it.

[@GeorgeCooper_LoneWolf]

Great flying and some great views too.

[@xxMADxMICKxx]

Cheers George. It was a bit challenging in so much wind but incredibly fun to push the limits a bit and then find the limits too!

[@Bastlmartin]

Hi Michael. I hope you have no problems with the flood ! I will wish the best for you!

[@xxMADxMICKxx]

Thank you so much for your kind thoughts. We are a long way south of all the issues in New South Wales. So all safe and sound here.

[@Bastlmartin]

@@xxMADxMICKxx I'm happy to hear this. I had a look at Google Maps to see the Distance. It"s near 1000 km. Enough to set Complete Germany from North to South inside. But i don't know the Center of the Flood and the Peripherie of the bad Wheater. For you and your Friends "stay heathly",

[@DanielCValot]

That was awesome! I fly wings now I am going to buy the ASW 28 or the phoenix, not sure which, I like long wingspan graceful You guys are great, thank you!

[@xxMADxMICKxx]

Of course you should get both! But if only one, maybe the big Phoenix 2400! Then you get the best of both worlds.

[@DanielCValot]

That’s what I’m thinking but there’s a slope where I live it’s above the beach maybe 100 feet and there’s always great lift there and the railing goes down a walkway and behind the walkway there is grass about 100 yards wide and that grass runs about 300 yards parallel to the rail from stopping people from falling down the hillside and the wind comes into the hillside from a little bit of an angle but I used to fly there years ago and we would fly 6 foot sailplanes like the wander and things like that great place to fly but you have to be pretty sharp on your landings but now with ailerons I thought maybe the Phoenix 2000 with a 6 foot wingspan might be better for that application. But I think you’re right if I only pick one for right now for the next several months I think I’d rather go with the longer wingspan so probably it would be the Phoenix 2400 because the ASW’s are a little questionable unless it’s FMS and they’re very expensive It’s not like flying on a hillside it’s a little more confined and that’s why I think an 8 foot wingspan might be a little too much and then it would have to have flaps to slow it down when you come up over the rail flying parallel to the rail and then drop down on the grass

[@xxMADxMICKxx]

@@DanielCValot I have really enjoyed the 1600 at the slope, but have also flown the ASW28 there too, nothing questionable about quality, but a bit of a pain putting togther and pulling apart to load in the car. A good friend has had the 1600, 2000 and 2400 and says the 2400 is a great slope plane. We can't have them all, I guess. But if you are getting just one for now, In my opinion the 2000 would be a great choice. It would be managable off the slope and coming in for tight landings as well as being good off the flat trying to catch thermals. Either way you go, any of the Lanyu/Volantex planes are fantastic !

[@DanielCValot]

Thanks for commenting back I thought I had replied to you the other day and I guess I did not and I just saw that, I apologize We could have a long discussion about this, I started flying a lot of thermals at a very large heart here about 12 miles from where I live and they fly thermals so for that the 2400 would be best but if I fly into Bluff above the beach the hillside only about 100 feet high but it’s got a great win coming pretty much straight off of the ocean onto the bluff maybe about a 45° angle and I used to fly there many years ago with a 6 foot wingspan floater with a fair dihedral and it flew excellent a lot of us flew there it was a big group It sounds like the Phoenix well might be a better choice than a SW 28 but the 28 has a T tail which the elevator is off the ground higher and won’t catch tall grass as much on the landing, what do you think? I just got into Flying, again about six months ago and it’s great, especially what’s going on in the world it’s a great getaway lol The point I really need to consider is when you mentioned about landing, where the plane is going to have a landing zone is going to be our strong determining factor and if that big park I was telling you it can land on freshly mowed lawn that they cut every other week it’s perfect but the slow is a little tricky to land on Do you have to fly along the rail on the hillside below and you come up over the rail and then quickly turn to straight and the plane back out parallel with the rail and the land, I have about a 200 yard landing song that’s about maybe 200 feet wide and for a 2 m playing it’s very easy but the 2400 question liability I wouldn’t want to cartwheel that plane, I can cart wheel wing and it just bounces around and then flies again but I will know that will not be the case with a conventional plane much over if it’s got a very big wingspan the only concern would be catching the wingtip as I try to level it out as I land when flying at the beach I have to give a little more thought to this and watch the guys at the big park fly the thermals, I was out there yesterday but they were finished by the time I got there so I’ll go again and watch them fly the thermals because that I have not done and it looks like a lot of fun so for that I would definitely want the 2400 and then paint it maybe a very dark gray with a bright orange tail and wing tips Thanks for the information you wrote because it helping me narrow down the plane because wings around four you can’t rest for a moment because the minute you take your I have that wing it’s gone!!!!! I’ll keep you posted when I get ready to purchase how are you, probably another month or two I’m just finished building one of my wings now Daniel

[@Bastlmartin]

Nice to watch - It looks lihe 3 Beaufort. The best what you can do is to slope. For Windsufring it's to less Wind. Nice Area. We have on time 3 Degrees, Rain and windy wetter! What is 40W Do you mean 11 knots?

[@xxMADxMICKxx]

I am excited to share and very happy you enjoyed it. The "40w" is a beach marker for the location. It was actually 23 knots! Which is almost too much wind!

[@Bastlmartin]

Thank you for the Information about the location.(Goggle Maps says nihing about Australia Beach 40W). At the "Crash scene" i had a look in front of the wave-breaking zone outside, there are not many seahorses. I think the wind will be much stronger at the dune because he will compressed. You can test it easy if you will fly higher and more to the sea. I think in front of the "compressed "Windzone the Speed will more less! Why are no Kiter's or Windsurfer on this Beach. I think it will be perfect. Are there Shark's or Conservationists ? Have Fun..Martin

[@xxMADxMICKxx]

Hi Martin, We do get a few hang gliders flying from that site often, but when a couple came up to check the conditions, they decided it was too windy for them to fly safely. Actually, the beach is called 13th Beach, Barwon Heads and runs for about 6 or 7 km. Along 13th beach (and the others along the coast) there are markers to indicate which section you are at. Probably not something they have on google maps, but you can see some cool information about wild life from the area here www.barwoncoast.com.au/sites/default/files/fauna_08-13.pdf Cheers Michael

[@Bastlmartin]

​@@xxMADxMICKxx Hello Michael, i meant other kiters. The one with the wakeboard on the feet's and the "bar"in the Hand's. I spent some time for checking the location. I think it's not so easy for you to slope, cause with the street in the back and fearful People with Dogs on the beach. It looks "very green" there. I remember Australia with "Crocodile Dundee-Paul Hoogan". In the Baas street there are Whale's. At the lake constanz too....1930 from Dornier! (Wal) I think wales are harmfull to went Windsurfing. If there are Whales-there is no shark-or? Think the problem is the Park ranger and the Whalesaver! Spend years ago time at the Red Sea at Safaga. There where a lot of relaxing Waterturtles, i need a lot of attention at jibes. Cheers Martin

[@Bastlmartin]

@@xxMADxMICKxx Hello Michael, i meant other kiters. The one with the wakeboard on the feet's and the "bar"in the Hand's. I spent some time for checking the location. I think it's not so easy for you to slope, cause with the street in the back and fearful People with Dogs on the beach. It looks "very green" there. I remember Australia with "Crocodile Dundee-Paul Hoogan". In the Baas street there are Whale's. At the lake constanz too....1930 from Dornier! (Wal) I think wales are harmfull to went Windsurfing. If there are Whales-there is no shark-or? Think the problem is the Park ranger and the Whalesaver! Cheers Martin

[@xxMADxMICKxx]

@@Bastlmartin HAHA, I don't think there are many whales there. I have never seen any. As for kite boarders, I have not seen many of them either. Maybe it is not so popular here. Along this scetion there are a lot of people surfing though. Most of the time it is a great place to slope, there is enough room to fly and land without worrying too much about the road. IO would much rather a big mountain to slope form though! I won't be greedy though, it is still a fun place.

[@Bastlmartin]

@@xxMADxMICKxx Hello Michael, the Information about the Whales is written down at the sheet from the link,you send me.On my favorite Windsurfspot at Hindeloopen (Netherland) you can't see the Sky about many Kitesurfer's kite's.Have a look for "Makkum". I can't understand why kite and Windsufring isn't popular at your coast. Let's open a windsurfing school!

[@chillville5571]

Hey im looking to put a 4s setup in my 1600 because the stock esc/motor gets super hot, any ideas?

[@xxMADxMICKxx]

Maybe go 2S on the stock setup, rather than changing everything to 4S. But all depends on how you use the Phoenix. I mostly slope, so rarely use the motor. Sometimes thermal/glide from the field, so only use the motor to climb. But if you fly like a plane, rather than a glider, then a 4s setup similar to the Excalibur would have it rocketing.

[@chillville5571]

@@xxMADxMICKxx i live in the middle of nc tobacco country so its all flat fields out here and i like to fly it like a pylon racer and use all the beans. Im looking for a cheap 2836 1000-1500kv setup with a 50-60a esc. Just gotta find the right setup that will fit.