@@johnmcdermott4111 you can try the RC Groups thread for this plane. www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?3519335-Hookll-EXTRA-300-C-EPO-1200mm-Wingspan-3D-Aerobatic-Aircraft-Stunt-Plane-RC-Airplane There are usually good people on this forum. And most questions you'll have will probably already be asked and answered here. Enjoy the plane!

Thanks xxMAD.

@@valtertamilia1769 yep, sounds about right. I have used a CG that is a little further back plus a battery that is well weighted.

@@xxMADxMICKxx with 240 grams of lead on the internal forefront of the Naca the CG position is between 30 and 35 % of the mean aerodinamic chord. The battery is a 2200 mAh ( about 185 grams). The plane flight well but a little bit climbing during vertical down test with zero engine ( that's I think is good, to remain a little bit climbing). But in general I do not appreciate to have added 240 grams of lead that make the plane much more heavy.

From memory, there was a sheet in the box that had recommended throws, maybe. Ailerons are definitely set at 3.5mm up and down. Not sure about the elevator 🤔

Yes PNP. All original. Addwd my own frsky receiver and a 4s 2200 lipo.

I think it is a great sports flyer and does some 3d, ok. The Dynam Pitts Python was better at most 3d moves for sure. It's also worth noting that I'm not a 3d pilot. I prefer to fly scale aerobatics.

G'day, great model. Hookll seems to make nice products. Quality is as good as any other foam planes I've had.

@@xxMADxMICKxxohh demmmit... I just order a fms instead hooklll extra ng.. 😅 Btw thanks for ur feedback..

@@akmalmarzuki8660 mate, you can't go wrong with an FMS! Brilliant models

Absolutely agree 👍

Maybe go 2S on the stock setup, rather than changing everything to 4S. But all depends on how you use the Phoenix. I mostly slope, so rarely use the motor. Sometimes thermal/glide from the field, so only use the motor to climb. But if you fly like a plane, rather than a glider, then a 4s setup similar to the Excalibur would have it rocketing.

@@xxMADxMICKxx i live in the middle of nc tobacco country so its all flat fields out here and i like to fly it like a pylon racer and use all the beans. Im looking for a cheap 2836 1000-1500kv setup with a 50-60a esc. Just gotta find the right setup that will fit.

G'day Fernando, this build was a long time ago for me and a couple of radios too. I don't recall the details for the configuration and dual rates, but I was sure there is video on the FliteTest site that talks about the setup. Turns out their FT22 elevon mixing vid is not there, but try this one - kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXzUqIeHoaaKl5o hope it helps

Also the build has a little about the the setup kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4jPdHyqosmMmrs

Hi Jonathan, no extra weight added to mine. Just a 4s 2200 60-120c heavy-duty battery all the way forward and away went. The C of G is a long way back, but still within the range that it doesn't feel tail heavy. If i remember next time i have it down, I'll remeasure the C of G for you. Cheers Michael

I build it yesterday. This would be my question too. The manual says 8cm from the front of the wing. Mine is way more in the back, more like 16cm.

Of course you should get both! But if only one, maybe the big Phoenix 2400! Then you get the best of both worlds.

That’s what I’m thinking but there’s a slope where I live it’s above the beach maybe 100 feet and there’s always great lift there and the railing goes down a walkway and behind the walkway there is grass about 100 yards wide and that grass runs about 300 yards parallel to the rail from stopping people from falling down the hillside and the wind comes into the hillside from a little bit of an angle but I used to fly there years ago and we would fly 6 foot sailplanes like the wander and things like that great place to fly but you have to be pretty sharp on your landings but now with ailerons I thought maybe the Phoenix 2000 with a 6 foot wingspan might be better for that application. But I think you’re right if I only pick one for right now for the next several months I think I’d rather go with the longer wingspan so probably it would be the Phoenix 2400 because the ASW’s are a little questionable unless it’s FMS and they’re very expensive It’s not like flying on a hillside it’s a little more confined and that’s why I think an 8 foot wingspan might be a little too much and then it would have to have flaps to slow it down when you come up over the rail flying parallel to the rail and then drop down on the grass

@@DanielCValot I have really enjoyed the 1600 at the slope, but have also flown the ASW28 there too, nothing questionable about quality, but a bit of a pain putting togther and pulling apart to load in the car. A good friend has had the 1600, 2000 and 2400 and says the 2400 is a great slope plane. We can't have them all, I guess. But if you are getting just one for now, In my opinion the 2000 would be a great choice. It would be managable off the slope and coming in for tight landings as well as being good off the flat trying to catch thermals. Either way you go, any of the Lanyu/Volantex planes are fantastic !

Thanks for commenting back I thought I had replied to you the other day and I guess I did not and I just saw that, I apologize We could have a long discussion about this, I started flying a lot of thermals at a very large heart here about 12 miles from where I live and they fly thermals so for that the 2400 would be best but if I fly into Bluff above the beach the hillside only about 100 feet high but it’s got a great win coming pretty much straight off of the ocean onto the bluff maybe about a 45° angle and I used to fly there many years ago with a 6 foot wingspan floater with a fair dihedral and it flew excellent a lot of us flew there it was a big group It sounds like the Phoenix well might be a better choice than a SW 28 but the 28 has a T tail which the elevator is off the ground higher and won’t catch tall grass as much on the landing, what do you think? I just got into Flying, again about six months ago and it’s great, especially what’s going on in the world it’s a great getaway lol The point I really need to consider is when you mentioned about landing, where the plane is going to have a landing zone is going to be our strong determining factor and if that big park I was telling you it can land on freshly mowed lawn that they cut every other week it’s perfect but the slow is a little tricky to land on Do you have to fly along the rail on the hillside below and you come up over the rail and then quickly turn to straight and the plane back out parallel with the rail and the land, I have about a 200 yard landing song that’s about maybe 200 feet wide and for a 2 m playing it’s very easy but the 2400 question liability I wouldn’t want to cartwheel that plane, I can cart wheel wing and it just bounces around and then flies again but I will know that will not be the case with a conventional plane much over if it’s got a very big wingspan the only concern would be catching the wingtip as I try to level it out as I land when flying at the beach I have to give a little more thought to this and watch the guys at the big park fly the thermals, I was out there yesterday but they were finished by the time I got there so I’ll go again and watch them fly the thermals because that I have not done and it looks like a lot of fun so for that I would definitely want the 2400 and then paint it maybe a very dark gray with a bright orange tail and wing tips Thanks for the information you wrote because it helping me narrow down the plane because wings around four you can’t rest for a moment because the minute you take your I have that wing it’s gone!!!!! I’ll keep you posted when I get ready to purchase how are you, probably another month or two I’m just finished building one of my wings now Daniel

G'day Jeferson, Roll control was fine either way, but my goal was to slow the plane for landings. Deflecting the ailerons up (spoilerons) seemed to be far more effective than deflecting them down (flaperons) . I didn't mix any elevator. The effect of the spoileron was to lift the nose of the plane, dropping the tail which gave it a higher angle of attack. Worked well for me.

@@xxMADxMICKxx Thanks! I have this problem, a plane with high lift characteristics and a short space to land it on, and I have to 'nail it' right there. I think I'm gonna go with spoilerons then! Seems the way to bring it down fast without adding extra horizontal speed.

No, it is a PNF (Plug and Fly) you need to use your own radio transmitter and install your own receiver and batteries. If you don't have these things already, I would suggest this is NOT a good plane for you to start in the hobby.

the same happened to me with one of the aileron,but it was damaged the box during transportation

Thanks Jorden. That is my 1965 Ford Falcon. Australian built, but similar to US model.

I am surprised, are you saying you have the cg 145mm from the leading edge? Usually the further back it is the more 'tail heavy ' and the harder to fly. I so still enjoy flying my small DW wing. I habe it set up with a 2s 850. cheers Michael

G'day Jonathan, Yeah it is probably more like 85-90mm. Very close to the spar. But I fly it in stock form with a 4s 2200 60c which weight 252g. I do find it hard to land smoothly, so would be interested to try a little weight in the nose to bring the CG forward a little more.

@@xxMADxMICKxx ....and so at 80 mm ?

DO NOT DO THAT!!. BECOMES TOO HEAVY!! THE EXTRA 300 NG FLIGHT WITH 10GR. , MAX 20 GR. AT THE NOSE AND ANYWAY THE AIRPLANE IS TOO HEAVY BY CONSTRUCTION. ONLY SMOOOTH FLIGHT.

Glad people are still watching! From memory I didn't add any elevator mix. Just had the ailerons on the slider at a mx of maybe 30% of full travel.

@@xxMADxMICKxx Thank you sir!

I think if I was to build another one I would change it in a few places but considering the crashes it has had, it has survived well! It will fly well next time for sure!

@@xxMADxMICKxx Perfect- I do the same. I've created a "Instruction sheet" for rebuilt the "Libelle". On this I notice all "weak points". Some weeks ago the swan will attak the flying boat.He hit the wing with his wings and the struts (3mm round wood) split! There was also a hole on the wing! Every repair track has its story ...

Cheers Jay, I am really hoping it does. The first short flight showed promise. It is all back together again now and ready for another go!

@@xxMADxMICKxx I’m glad you’re back, I’ve always enjoyed your vids and was sorry to see you “disappear”. Also love that car, classic.

@@Cess182sn thank you for saying so. I watch so many talented providers on KZbin, I am glad to be able to provide a little entertainment for others.

Haha I might stick with the flat field until I get it sorted. No room for errors on the slope

Cheers Mark. Won't be long, it'll be back

Thanks Andrew, I steal all the good ideas. Hopefully the plane will be back this weekend with a new transmitter

Thank you for the kind words. And I think you are right, the receiver I used was not an original frSky one. I had used it before, but it was a few years ago and it had been sitting around since. Not a good decision to use it, in the end. I will repair it this week and try again on the weekend hopefully. Cheers Michael

@@xxMADxMICKxx I use a turnigy TGY-i6 Radio,Original Receiver is the HK-T6A-V2. But i use now Flysky Receiver's FS-R6B, or for the "Libelle" the 6CH FS-iA6B with the Flysky FS-CVT01 Voltage Collection Module.Never I had problems. But-i bought an FS2A-4CH 2,4G AFHDS 2A 4CH PWM Mini Receiver 2 Month#s ago. Binding well,ch 2-4 o.k.Only Ch1 doesn't work.Think my next Radio will be a Flysky! Hope this brings you further! Ups-I've seen Andrew Newton here-nice!

I have not added extra weight in the front. Although it has taken a little time to get used to the flight characteristics of this 3d/sport plane.

Thank you so much for your kind thoughts. We are a long way south of all the issues in New South Wales. So all safe and sound here.

@@xxMADxMICKxx I'm happy to hear this. I had a look at Google Maps to see the Distance. It"s near 1000 km. Enough to set Complete Germany from North to South inside. But i don't know the Center of the Flood and the Peripherie of the bad Wheater. For you and your Friends "stay heathly",

Hi Martin, We do get a few hang gliders flying from that site often, but when a couple came up to check the conditions, they decided it was too windy for them to fly safely. Actually, the beach is called 13th Beach, Barwon Heads and runs for about 6 or 7 km. Along 13th beach (and the others along the coast) there are markers to indicate which section you are at. Probably not something they have on google maps, but you can see some cool information about wild life from the area here www.barwoncoast.com.au/sites/default/files/fauna_08-13.pdf Cheers Michael

​@@xxMADxMICKxx Hello Michael, i meant other kiters. The one with the wakeboard on the feet's and the "bar"in the Hand's. I spent some time for checking the location. I think it's not so easy for you to slope, cause with the street in the back and fearful People with Dogs on the beach. It looks "very green" there. I remember Australia with "Crocodile Dundee-Paul Hoogan". In the Baas street there are Whale's. At the lake constanz too....1930 from Dornier! (Wal) I think wales are harmfull to went Windsurfing. If there are Whales-there is no shark-or? Think the problem is the Park ranger and the Whalesaver! Spend years ago time at the Red Sea at Safaga. There where a lot of relaxing Waterturtles, i need a lot of attention at jibes. Cheers Martin

@@xxMADxMICKxx Hello Michael, i meant other kiters. The one with the wakeboard on the feet's and the "bar"in the Hand's. I spent some time for checking the location. I think it's not so easy for you to slope, cause with the street in the back and fearful People with Dogs on the beach. It looks "very green" there. I remember Australia with "Crocodile Dundee-Paul Hoogan". In the Baas street there are Whale's. At the lake constanz too....1930 from Dornier! (Wal) I think wales are harmfull to went Windsurfing. If there are Whales-there is no shark-or? Think the problem is the Park ranger and the Whalesaver! Cheers Martin

@@Bastlmartin HAHA, I don't think there are many whales there. I have never seen any. As for kite boarders, I have not seen many of them either. Maybe it is not so popular here. Along this scetion there are a lot of people surfing though. Most of the time it is a great place to slope, there is enough room to fly and land without worrying too much about the road. IO would much rather a big mountain to slope form though! I won't be greedy though, it is still a fun place.

@@xxMADxMICKxx Hello Michael, the Information about the Whales is written down at the sheet from the link,you send me.On my favorite Windsurfspot at Hindeloopen (Netherland) you can't see the Sky about many Kitesurfer's kite's.Have a look for "Makkum". I can't understand why kite and Windsufring isn't popular at your coast. Let's open a windsurfing school!

I am excited to share and very happy you enjoyed it. The "40w" is a beach marker for the location. It was actually 23 knots! Which is almost too much wind!

Yes, "got away" with it, but only for the motor. Im not sure I would have found her again if it was a pure slope plane. It is a shame you missed it.

It is a shame I didn't get some footage of you up there in the mix too, but there will always be another day...

Cheers George. It was a bit challenging in so much wind but incredibly fun to push the limits a bit and then find the limits too!

G'day Salvatore, you might be right. Of course , we blame Andrew for this. ;) He is very popular on KZbin so anytime he does a review, the plane seems to sell out! Cheers Michael

I'm down here now about to test the new motor ... you coming?

@@xxMADxMICKxx Yep, packing up now

Ha! That is a helpful tip @cammo I'll definitely look into that!

G'day Leao, I only ran it with the Turnigy Heavy Duty 4s 2200 60c onboard (250g), but I think after a few flights I'd like it with a bit more nose weight. I will stick some lead under the front cowl. Cheers Michael

​@@xxMADxMICKxx Great!!! Thanks for the feedback !!! You are putting your battery right in front, or in the middle, on the wooden part with the clamp that they send. Tomorrow my 4S of 2200 arrives, and I will test it !!! Thanks !!!

@@leaobicalho3245 all the way in front as far as it can go. I wish you all the very best for your maiden flight!

@@leaobicalho3245 I put it in as far in the front as it will go (there is plastic pocket) and the tab on the front of the canopy holds the battery in place

@@xxMADxMICKxx Hi Michael, thank you very much !! I did what you said !! First, my 3S battery only has 170 grams, so I put the difference (250gr-170g) of 80 grams on the front, attached to the engine grille !! Only with this change I already managed to have a very stable and pleasant flight !! I was really sad, because flying with heavy weight is very difficult, and I only fly for 3 months, I almost crashed the plane !! Today I did 20 minutes of flight with the correct CG, and thank God everything went wonderfully well !! Thank you very much !!!

Thanks for the comment Vas. IMO this is the best flying wing available at the moment. A few of the other guys have had the mini AR Wing, but it tended to tip stall a lot. I think all the guys I fly with that have this plane, have at least 2, one guy has 4! Currently on sale from Aussie warehouse even cheaper than I picked it up for! Sonicmodell AR Wing 900mm Wingspan EPP FPV Flywing RC Airplane PNP banggood.app.link/ztAEAiynWcb

G'day! i have taken the floats off the Cessna for now and fly it from the ground occasional. Most of my flying buddies dont have any planes to fly from the water so i don't bother much. It is always better to fly with a few friends. i will look up your Libelle. Cheers Michael

Like me! I had to much risk's on the landing's with the Cessna. With the gear I will fly sometimes on the Runway on the deaktivated Airbase called "Leipheim". (The ME 262 had there the first flight, the ME 321 and the ME323 was built and tested there.) Where is your Friend with the Catalina? I prefer Waterflying to relax and enjoy the nature. The "Libelle" is very safe. Now i have stopped Waterflying, because the Lake is half closed with Ice. I'm afraid to freeze solid on the Ice, in case of a problem! Have fun !

@@Bastlmartin I still fly often with my friend Mark that had the Catalina, but that plane (well the wing at least) was recycled into a slope plane!

@@xxMADxMICKxx Hello, why had Mark demounted the Catalina. I think, the Flöats Outside will be the Problem at flötsam or waves? Please ask him because im Interestet at the Catalina's Problem! With Mark you have lost the "Rescue" system-if your Cessna had problems-bad!

@@Bastlmartin it was a couple of years back I think. From memory he was never really satisfied with the way it flew in the air. But in the end there was an accident on landing that caused the ESCs to get wet and short circuit. After that Mark use the main wing without the motors and tail (I think) on a fuselage of his ow design to slope soar! It was quite a good slope plane in the end.