Is The Seventh Day Adventist church a Cult?

[@FAITHFreedomFirearms]

I don't keep the Sabbath because I think I'm morally superior; on the contrary, I keep the Sabbath because when I observe the Sabbath day, I tell the world that I am a created being dependent on the God of the universe for my very existence, and that He is not only my Creator but also my Sustainer. It's an acknowledgment of the Word of God in keeping the Sabbath, and it's a very important acknowledgment. Wouldn't you agree?

[@DaChristianYute]

It’s simple to understand, when a doctrine makes you take your eyes off God and Jesus and place the emphasis on “Self” it’s a false doctrine.

[@danielrice5676]

I think the Catholic Church could be considered a cult as well

[@Pastor_Grant]

Yes they are.

[@vanankumar5733]

For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Galatians 3

[@Palmstreet-u7x]

This answers my statement about the difference between Sabbath and a Sunday,two totally different meanings,I don't adhere to the Sabbath as I am not a Jew but born again Christian who must live a Holy spirit filled life everyday,not only once a week

[@scottholder7375]

​@@Palmstreet-u7xLecture: The New Covenant, the Testator, and the Remnant of God Introduction Welcome, everyone. Today, we will explore the significance of the New Covenant established by Jesus Christ, focusing on the role of the testator, the assurance it provides for God’s remnant, the importance of keeping the commandments, particularly the Sabbath, and the distinction between the Old and New Covenants. 1. Understanding the New Covenant The New Covenant is a foundational concept in Scripture, primarily detailed in the Book of Hebrews. Hebrews 9:16-17 states, "For where there is a will, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a will is in force after men are dead; since it has no power at all while the testator lives." Key Point: The New Covenant is established through the death of Jesus Christ, who serves as the testator. His sacrificial death creates a new relationship between God and humanity, emphasizing grace, mercy, and redemption. 2. Assurance for the Remnant of God (Rev 12:17 KJV) For those identified as the remnant-believers who faithfully keep God’s commandments-the New Covenant offers profound assurance. Romans 8:1 declares, "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." Key Point: This assurance signifies that believers are justified and freed from the penalty of sin. The New Covenant reassures them of their standing before God, providing hope and confidence in their faith. 3. The Importance of the Sabbath Central to this discussion is the observance of the Sabbath, commanded in Exodus 20:8-11. The Sabbath is designated as a holy day of rest and worship. Key Point: The Sabbath command is seen as unchangeable by divine decree. Attempts by religious organizations to alter the Sabbath to Sunday or any other day challenge God's authority and can be viewed as representative of an antichrist spirit (1 John 2:18). 4. The Distinction Between the Old and New Covenants The essential difference between the Old and New Covenants is rooted in the promises of the testator. Old Covenant: Based on the Law and its requirements (Deuteronomy 30:15-16). The people were to adhere strictly to the commandments for righteousness. New Covenant: Established through Christ’s promise, emphasizing faith, grace, and internal transformation (Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:10). Key Point: The New Covenant does not abolish the Ten Commandments; instead, it fulfills and reinforces them through a new understanding of grace and obedience. 5. Salvation Through Faith Across Both Covenants A crucial point to clarify is that being saved by grace under the New Covenant does not imply that those under the Old Covenant were saved by law-keeping. Ephesians 2:8-9 states, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God." Key Point: Old Testament saints were saved by faith, looking forward to the promised Messiah, just as New Testament believers look back at His completed work. This underscores the consistency of God's redemptive plan throughout history. Conclusion In conclusion, the New Covenant established through Jesus Christ is vital for understanding our relationship with God today. It provides assurance to the remnant who keep His commandments, including the Sabbath, while emphasizing that salvation is through faith and grace, not through works alone. The distinctions between the Old and New Covenants remind us of God's unchanging nature and His desire for a personal relationship with each of us. Thank you for your attention, and I look forward to any questions or discussions you may have on this topic.

[@PachiMo8]

@@Palmstreet-u7x the Sabbath was not for the Jews, Moses was not a jew hehe . And yes, you need to live a life that serves our Lord every day but yhe Sabbath was day He separated for us, even Jesus kept the Sabbath

[@Palmstreet-u7x]

@PatrikMolina but told us that when one of your sheep 🐑🐑 are lost, won't you go look for it I understand how you explain it It's just a Sunday is a day you go to church But it itself for a born again Christian is not a scared Holy day That's all what I am trying to get over If you were born in South Africa like I am during the apartheid regime year's you will then understand why I have this attitude towards a Sunday Because the Afrikaans Dutch speaking people held only a Sunday as a " Holy ' day . but come Monday morning they are drunk swearing, especially when you worked on gold mines,rough people those men working underground and the shiftboss

[@scottholder7375]

@@Palmstreet-u7x Dear Friend, I want to speak to you from my heart, as your best friend, because I deeply care about your well-being. There’s something important that I need to share with you, something that God wants us to understand, and it’s about honoring the Sabbath. It’s not just an old law or a rule to follow for the sake of tradition-this is something that goes to the very heart of your relationship with God, and it is so important that I don’t want you to miss it. Why Honoring the Sabbath Matters: The Sabbath was given by God, not as a burdensome command, but as a gift-an invitation to rest and to draw near to Him. Think of it like a special time with your closest friend, where nothing else matters except enjoying each other’s company. In Genesis 2:2-3, we see that God Himself rested on the seventh day after creating the world, setting a pattern for us: “And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.” (Genesis 2:2-3, KJV) Now, I know life gets busy. The world around us is always rushing, always demanding our attention, and it’s easy to think that we don’t have time to pause. But here's the truth-God has given us the Sabbath not because He needs it, but because we do. Without this sacred time to rest and refresh, we risk burning out, losing sight of what's truly important, and drifting away from God. What God Wants from Us on the Sabbath: God wants us to rest, but He also wants us to use that time to refocus on Him. Exodus 20:8-10 reminds us of the Fourth Commandment, not as a heavy yoke, but as a loving directive: “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work...” (Exodus 20:8-10, KJV) When God asks us to rest, He’s not asking for our obedience because He’s selfish or demanding. He knows that in rest, we connect with Him, we find peace, and we are reminded of His provision. We step back from our own striving and trust in Him. What Happens if We Neglect the Sabbath: Neglecting the Sabbath is like neglecting time with your best friend. Over time, it will cause distance. If you constantly work and never rest, you will wear yourself thin. Spiritually, emotionally, and physically, you’ll start to feel it. The consequences of neglecting the Sabbath go far beyond just breaking a rule-they are a breakdown of your relationship with God. In Isaiah 58:13-14, God says: “If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: Then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.” (Isaiah 58:13-14, KJV) Did you catch that? God says when we honor the Sabbath and make it a day of delight, He will bless us-He will bring us joy and fulfillment that no work or success can offer. But if we ignore this day, we risk missing out on those blessings. The Urgency of This Knowledge: I’m telling you this because I care about you and I don’t want you to miss the depth of this truth. The consequences of delaying your understanding and practice of honoring the Sabbath aren’t just about the physical rest you might miss-they are about the spiritual nourishment and closeness with God you could be forfeiting. Hebrews 4:9-10 warns: “There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.” (Hebrews 4:9-10, KJV) I don’t want you to lose that rest, that peace that only God can give. Life is hard, and there’s so much noise and busyness, but the Sabbath is where God calls us to rest in Him-to cease from our striving and just be with Him. If you delay this, you’ll find yourself too worn out, too distracted, too distant from Him to enjoy the life He’s called you to. Please, Don’t Wait: Please don’t wait to take this seriously. I’m not saying this to condemn you; I’m saying this because I know how important it is for your soul. God loves you deeply, and He wants to meet you in that sacred space He’s set aside just for you. Don’t let anything keep you from the joy and peace He offers through honoring the Sabbath. Take a moment to pray and ask God to help you set aside this day for Him. It’s not about legalism; it’s about love, rest, and connection with the Creator who longs to refresh your soul. I’m praying for you, and I’ll be here to encourage you as you walk this journey. Your life will be richer, fuller, and more peaceful when you honor the Sabbath as God intended. With all my love, Your Friend

[@umabrijmohun6720]

The Sabbath will be the seal of God and Sunday worship will be the mark of the beast is one of their cultic doctrines

[@matthew8054]

Yes, and it's funny because Sunday keeping used to be entrenched -but in the 1980s the law actually went the opposite way with the Sunday trading laws.

[@SGOV86]

The Sabbath is not a seal but a sign between God and His people (Ezek.20:12 & Ezek.20:20). The seal of God could refer to the Holy Spirit. See Eph.1:13 & Eph.4:30.

[@mikeforfar9493]

@@umabrijmohun6720 no it's one of the bible truths for the end times.

[@A.O.T.C]

I totally agree with that teaching because I was taught the same thing about God's seal. The Mark of the Beast may come down to the day of worship, infact im certain of it. We all have to remember that worship is key. You either worship on God's day Saturday or the devil's day Sunday. Constantine change the day of worship. Find out for yourself, it's true.

[@umabrijmohun6720]

​@@A.O.T.C you are preaching EGW visions from her plagerized book The Great Controversy all believers are sealed when we received the Gospel by faith Eph 1:13

[@MushmouthJoe]

I hope to catch this live discussion. I'm learning a lot from this channel. I recently moved to an area highly populated by SDA churches. Your studies are very welcome.

[@metapolitikgedanken612]

Also now a few. I'm not using the cult label, but they do have and insist on a couple of teachings that are false. And yes, it's legalistic what they teach. What really plagues is the dishonesty though.

[@scottholder7375]

​@@metapolitikgedanken612Lecture: The New Covenant, the Testator, and the Remnant of God Introduction Welcome, everyone. Today, we will explore the significance of the New Covenant established by Jesus Christ, focusing on the role of the testator, the assurance it provides for God’s remnant, the importance of keeping the commandments, particularly the Sabbath, and the distinction between the Old and New Covenants. 1. Understanding the New Covenant The New Covenant is a foundational concept in Scripture, primarily detailed in the Book of Hebrews. Hebrews 9:16-17 states, "For where there is a will, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a will is in force after men are dead; since it has no power at all while the testator lives." Key Point: The New Covenant is established through the death of Jesus Christ, who serves as the testator. His sacrificial death creates a new relationship between God and humanity, emphasizing grace, mercy, and redemption. 2. Assurance for the Remnant of God (Rev 12:17 KJV) For those identified as the remnant-believers who faithfully keep God’s commandments-the New Covenant offers profound assurance. Romans 8:1 declares, "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." Key Point: This assurance signifies that believers are justified and freed from the penalty of sin. The New Covenant reassures them of their standing before God, providing hope and confidence in their faith. 3. The Importance of the Sabbath Central to this discussion is the observance of the Sabbath, commanded in Exodus 20:8-11. The Sabbath is designated as a holy day of rest and worship. Key Point: The Sabbath command is seen as unchangeable by divine decree. Attempts by religious organizations to alter the Sabbath to Sunday or any other day challenge God's authority and can be viewed as representative of an antichrist spirit (1 John 2:18). 4. The Distinction Between the Old and New Covenants The essential difference between the Old and New Covenants is rooted in the promises of the testator. Old Covenant: Based on the Law and its requirements (Deuteronomy 30:15-16). The people were to adhere strictly to the commandments for righteousness. New Covenant: Established through Christ’s promise, emphasizing faith, grace, and internal transformation (Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:10). Key Point: The New Covenant does not abolish the Ten Commandments; instead, it fulfills and reinforces them through a new understanding of grace and obedience. 5. Salvation Through Faith Across Both Covenants A crucial point to clarify is that being saved by grace under the New Covenant does not imply that those under the Old Covenant were saved by law-keeping. Ephesians 2:8-9 states, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God." Key Point: Old Testament saints were saved by faith, looking forward to the promised Messiah, just as New Testament believers look back at His completed work. This underscores the consistency of God's redemptive plan throughout history. Conclusion In conclusion, the New Covenant established through Jesus Christ is vital for understanding our relationship with God today. It provides assurance to the remnant who keep His commandments, including the Sabbath, while emphasizing that salvation is through faith and grace, not through works alone. The distinctions between the Old and New Covenants remind us of God's unchanging nature and His desire for a personal relationship with each of us. Thank you for your attention, and I look forward to any questions or discussions you may have on this topic.

[@PachiMo8]

@@metapolitikgedanken612 what teachings are false? Care to let us know? Obeying is not legalism my friend. Dont let people like the guy from the Channel sell you the idea that we dont need the 10 commandments

[@metapolitikgedanken612]

Not going to write a doctoral thesis on this... Well, legalism is emphasizing humane rule compliance as salvation requirement. And that's not the only problem with Adventism - And Adventists aren't the only ones putting that forward... The once I spoke to all have problems to even understand what the Holy Spirit is and how he communicates with people... or that he's absent with the carnal. @@PachiMo8

[@charnelallan7159]

@@PachiMo8 THE MOSAIC COVENANT WAS made between God and the nation of Israël not u

[@myepicjourney8275]

Why are they following this Elen white, who didn't understand the scriptures. Jesus said it is finished.

[@aaronwood1846]

Outside of the church.... Ellen G. White is one of the top 100 writers in the history of the world.... look it up. Her writings are still used in medicine and history books. You're simply uneducated.

[@nonconformist4802]

@@aaronwood1846 Fun fact: Besides the Islamic prophet Muhammad, Ellen received also her visions from the same demon and she is today well known for her anti-Christ doctrines just like Muhammad.

[@3Muchlove]

What?! We are not ‘following her’. She is an author and a great one at it… but I’m glad she made some mistakes to show she is a mere human and not to be worshipped. She is also a prophetess, why do you have an issue with that? I guess some people felt the same about the prophets in biblical times

[@nonconformist4802]

@@3Muchlove She also said that if you rejected her writings, then you also rejected God.

[@aar0n709]

@@3Muchlove SHE IS A FALSE PROPHET

[@EternallyThankful-os6pz]

Really glad you're going to have a guest to interview / have a discussion regarding doctrine. I believe you will be cordial and pleasant while defending the Word of God...I think you've proven yourself to be even-tempered and not at all into disputes just for the sake of dispute. I have learned in our culture a shouting match or confrontational dispute edifies NO one and serves no purpose...a loving and firm presentation of God's Word , with His Holy Spirit to guide , ALWAYS wins the day...wishing you God's best , Brother !!!

[@DavidTaufa-n6b]

My short answer is CULT.

[@FAITHFreedomFirearms]

The largest cult in the world is the Catholic Church, and anybody who knowingly abandons the Seventh-Day Sabbath for Sunday is paying homage to that cult.

[@jeffpaton9667]

Paul, writing to true believers, Born-Again Christians, "But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.”

[@jeffpaton9667]

@@elijahrodgers416 No one who depends on Sabbath-Keeping as a condition of salvation is saved, and surely not Born-Again!

[@Palmstreet-u7x]

Amen, this answers my statement for years now about Sabbath and Sunday two different meanings

[@Colin-to1nv]

@@Palmstreet-u7x Two different meanings? I'm intrigued about what you are speaking of: please tell me more. As for salvation requiring that we obey any of the Ten Commandments, is this suddenly a basis for salvation so it requires perfect obedience, without fail? "By no means", to quote the Apostle Paul: God it is who leads us in paths of righteousness in which we still stumble and fall, and yet also grow in grace (Ps 23:3). God aims for this end result within the area of our individual lives, bringing out the fruits of living faith, as that Bible quote by jeffpaton says. The judgement of God by Christ our Saviour records our increasing repentance from self towards Christ himself, till we are filled by Christlikeness to God's and our joys. All the while depending on Christ's merits daily to justify, that is renew, our hearts in his righteousness, which is being "made righteous" (Rom 5:19). That goal of fulfilling our Lord's joy we should not laugh off as humanly unattainable, but trust in Jesus who taught and showed this very pathway, the narrow way which he pioneered, amen.

[@Colin-to1nv]

@@Palmstreet-u7x Two different meanings? I'm intrigued about what you are speaking of: please tell me more. As for salvation requiring that we obey any of the Ten Commandments, is this suddenly a basis for salvation so it requires perfect obedience, without fail? "By no means", to quote the Apostle Paul: God it is who leads us in paths of righteousness in which we still stumble and fall, and yet also grow in grace (Ps 23:3). God aims for this end result within the area of our individual lives, bringing out the fruits of living faith, as that Bible quote by jeffpaton says. The judgement of God by Christ our Saviour records our increasing repentance from self towards Christ himself, till we are filled by Christlikeness to God's and our joys. All the while depending on Christ's merits daily to justify, that is renew, our hearts in his righteousness, which is being "made righteous" (Rom 5:19). That goal of fulfilling our Lord's joy we should not laugh off as humanly unattainable, but trust in Jesus who taught and showed this very pathway, the narrow way which he pioneered, amen.

[@scottholder7375]

​@@jeffpaton9667Lecture: The New Covenant, the Testator, and the Remnant of God Introduction Welcome, everyone. Today, we will explore the significance of the New Covenant established by Jesus Christ, focusing on the role of the testator, the assurance it provides for God’s remnant, the importance of keeping the commandments, particularly the Sabbath, and the distinction between the Old and New Covenants. 1. Understanding the New Covenant The New Covenant is a foundational concept in Scripture, primarily detailed in the Book of Hebrews. Hebrews 9:16-17 states, "For where there is a will, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a will is in force after men are dead; since it has no power at all while the testator lives." Key Point: The New Covenant is established through the death of Jesus Christ, who serves as the testator. His sacrificial death creates a new relationship between God and humanity, emphasizing grace, mercy, and redemption. 2. Assurance for the Remnant of God (Rev 12:17 KJV) For those identified as the remnant-believers who faithfully keep God’s commandments-the New Covenant offers profound assurance. Romans 8:1 declares, "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." Key Point: This assurance signifies that believers are justified and freed from the penalty of sin. The New Covenant reassures them of their standing before God, providing hope and confidence in their faith. 3. The Importance of the Sabbath Central to this discussion is the observance of the Sabbath, commanded in Exodus 20:8-11. The Sabbath is designated as a holy day of rest and worship. Key Point: The Sabbath command is seen as unchangeable by divine decree. Attempts by religious organizations to alter the Sabbath to Sunday or any other day challenge God's authority and can be viewed as representative of an antichrist spirit (1 John 2:18). 4. The Distinction Between the Old and New Covenants The essential difference between the Old and New Covenants is rooted in the promises of the testator. Old Covenant: Based on the Law and its requirements (Deuteronomy 30:15-16). The people were to adhere strictly to the commandments for righteousness. New Covenant: Established through Christ’s promise, emphasizing faith, grace, and internal transformation (Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:10). Key Point: The New Covenant does not abolish the Ten Commandments; instead, it fulfills and reinforces them through a new understanding of grace and obedience. 5. Salvation Through Faith Across Both Covenants A crucial point to clarify is that being saved by grace under the New Covenant does not imply that those under the Old Covenant were saved by law-keeping. Ephesians 2:8-9 states, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God." Key Point: Old Testament saints were saved by faith, looking forward to the promised Messiah, just as New Testament believers look back at His completed work. This underscores the consistency of God's redemptive plan throughout history. Conclusion In conclusion, the New Covenant established through Jesus Christ is vital for understanding our relationship with God today. It provides assurance to the remnant who keep His commandments, including the Sabbath, while emphasizing that salvation is through faith and grace, not through works alone. The distinctions between the Old and New Covenants remind us of God's unchanging nature and His desire for a personal relationship with each of us. Thank you for your attention, and I look forward to any questions or discussions you may have on this topic.

[@j.r.mocksly5996]

The SDA is one of the many denominations I investigated in my church journey. I actually went to a really weird splinter faction of theirs, called The Living Church of God. They had some of the most unusual theological positions I've ever heard of: British Israelism, Annihilationism, non-trinitarianism (that's what got me interested), Armstrongism, etc. The pastor was very smug and the congregation was very old. Only young people were family of older members. I was surprised at how little care the pastor showed to cultivate some "new blood" like myself, no interest in gaining my interest. I got a bad feeling when I looked at pictures of the leaders of the denomination, they looked like hyenas with their teeth bared to me. The Ellen White stuff is probably the most damning (as well as the false Millerite end-of-the-world date) thing about SDA in general. Very out-of-control theology and weirdly legalistic and they build out all their own institutions to avoid contact with the rest of society, so yes it's a cult.

[@deanpd3402]

I was baptised in the SDA church when I was 13. I had no understanding whatsoever. 2 years later I was being arrested for car stealing and house breaking. Then into the wilderness for decades, including going in to the new age, Buddhism before coming to the truth through ministries like Good Fight and Living Waters. Good Fight got me to understand the truth of post modernist pop culture and Ray Comfort convicted me of my sin. I get the sense with SDA that something is missing. I was going to their church recently but something is missing.

[@Jaco3688]

Good analysis. It is the SDA mission to convert Believers to the SDA format and rules. Few SDA testimonies involve the sorrow for sin and being saved soley by Grace. In fact, EGW specifies that after embracing the genuine gospel, they’ll be required to “keep the sabbath”, eat only according to EGW’s vegetarian diet, and numerous other dictates which were received “as rays of light from the throne”. Let the simplicity of 1 Cor 15:1-4 be your guide.

[@aaronwood1846]

Don't blame the church. You simply never had the Holy Spirit in you. Pray.

[@mattmurdock2868]

What was missing? The Holy Spirit.

[@mikhailhunter5277]

@@Jaco3688 we advocate a vegetarian diet for longevity, we don't dictate it I'm not vegetarian. You realize SDAs are being labelled cult because we keep the commandments of God. Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie

[@3Muchlove]

Don’t just depend on the church, you have to have a personal relationship with Christ. Try praying and reading the Bible everyday, early mornings is a good time to start your day and you will be transformed in a way that will amaze you. It’s a daily process. God bless you my friend

[@carinacoetsee2334]

Yes, they are a cult.

[@singingandy]

Adventists are miffed that they are being questioned. They are also saying our questioning is a sign of end times.

[@krackmusik97224]

Exactly, as a former Adventist in France we used to talk a lot about this period called the shaking of the remnant church, in short they'll come a time when SDA's will be critiqued and some will leave the church and those who still stay are the true remnant 😂. I'm laughing but I fear that all the KZbin channel attacking SDA's are only comforting them in their belief in the false predictions of Ellen G white

[@singingandy]

@krackmusik97224 Yes, perfectly said! I think that is why ellen made up the whole shaking thing in the first place. On top of that, the whole Conrad Vines thing is calling for another shaking. I think they will keep shaking until Ted Wilson is the only 'real' adventist left 😆

[@krackmusik97224]

@@singingandy kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIXEZIJ6apJraNUsi=3RDzjcMwS5UeeC_Y See what we said a couple days ago 😂😂

[@singingandy]

@krackmusik97224 for what purpose did you direct me to a vid on the shaking?

[@krackmusik97224]

@@singingandy just to show you that we were saying was factual. They're indeed starting to describe the criticism of the SDA church and some members leaving as the shaking. We talked about it like what 4 days ago and two days later I get to see this on my feed lol I just found it funny.. nothing much

[@vegacool1]

The story of the thief on the cross led me out of adventism. The investigative judgment makes Jesus a liar when he promised paradise to the thief.

[@IBenZik]

Man must be victor on his own account. I guess that throws the gift of Jesus' sacrifice in the dust bin. Total works based religion.

[@lesvandermeulen784]

Get in line, you and everybody else thinks adventist are a cult, they are not. At the end there will be to churches, the Adventists and the catholic. Anyone at the end who is not adventist will be catholic.

[@iThinkBiblically]

The bible doesn't say anything about the Adventist church so where do you get your delusions from?

[@aar0n709]

@@iThinkBiblically HE'S IN THE CULT, HE'S GOING TO HELL WITH EGW. They have lost their minds and souls

[@lesvandermeulen784]

@iThinkBiblically the Bible doesn't say anything about Baptist or Christian reformed or Methodists or Lutheran so what's your point?

[@aar0n709]

@@lesvandermeulen784 Very stupid typical of an SDA

[@scottholder7375]

@@lesvandermeulen784 Amen

[@jasonblanch8769]

The problem with SDA members is that they refuse to acknowledge anything that proves the organisation is a cult. Don’t waste your time trying to tell them a second time.

[@ANDY-h6m]

I work with a girl who is SDA. I asked her about what they believe and it's not biblical Christianity.

[@mikeforfar9493]

you mean its not the same as your ignorance of the bible.

[@3Muchlove]

Oh geez …and you condemn the entire movement from one person’s answer? What is biblical Christianity from your perspective? Spiritual things are spiritually understood, you cannot just read the Bible, listen to someone give their answer, listen to preaching etc without asking God for His guidance

[@charnelallan7159]

​@@mikeforfar9493CAN U SHOW ME IN SCRIPTURES WHERE THROUGH FIERCE TEMPTATIONS SATAN WRUNG THE HEART OF CHRIST THAT HE COULD NOT SEE PAST THE PORTALS , NOT KNOWING IF HIS SACRIFICE WAS ENOUGH?.DONT RUN😊

[@charnelallan7159]

​@@3MuchloveISNT he a pastor? Really? Wasnt adventism prophet cited from her own words?

[@barryford1482]

I'm a former SDA . The worst doctrine in the SDA church is the Investigative Judgement doctrine . In the 1970s Dr Desmond Ford put out a thousand page paper on the investigative Judgement and was judged at glacier View in America. After one week .of study the delegates agreed with Des on his conclusions but the conservatives on the last day Friday brought out a 10 point summary of how Des position was at odds with the historic understanding of the IJ . This 10 point summary was brought out when most of the delegates had left on the Friday evening. Desmond Ford was one that questioned the IJ but in the history of the Church there have been many and even now the vast majority of the scholars don't have any belief in the IJ in Germany and most of Europe the IJ is not taught in the Church. You can find many Adventists that will reject the IJ doctrine . Des Ford is now deceased but he was a bible teacher with two PHD and a teacher at Avondale college in Australia. There are videos on youtube of Des talking with Walter Martin about the SDA church. Des was a great defender of the Gospel in the SDA Church and led many out of legalism

[@ServiceProcess]

@barryford1482 Thankyou for that. How interesting it was to me that Ford identified the investigative judgement doctrine as in error but couldn't identify the Saturday sabbath as error, couldn't see Ellen White as false and indeed wouldn't leave the SDA Church. I found those conflicts very interesting about a man who was no doubt very knowledgeable biblically. A nice man no doubt. But surely, when there is a primary, root belief in a church that is in error. Is it being loyal to Christ to stay in that church that is in error saying to yourself 'well I don't follow that error' ?. Can't be. At this point surely a show of force is required which would show loyalty to God and not to a church. In addition; if the primary belief of the church is in error, isn't the attendant responsible to the prove all things; look at the other abhorrent beliefs ?. I don't see how the true believer can stay in the SDA church knowing there are errors. That is putting the church before God.

[@scottholder7375]

@ServiceProcess "It is finished" (John 19:30) signifies that Jesus completed the work of atonement and fulfilled the requirements of the Law necessary for redemption. This phrase indicates that His sacrificial death accomplished the essential aspects of salvation, including the payment for sin. However, some argue that there were still steps in the redemptive plan, such as: Resurrection: Jesus’ resurrection three days later affirmed His victory over sin and death, completing the redemptive (salvific) work in a triumphant manner (Romans 4:25). Ascension: After His resurrection, Jesus ascended to the Father, where He intercedes for believers (Hebrews 7:25), marking the completion of His EARTHLY ministry. In summary, while Jesus' statement indicated the completion of the atoning work, subsequent events further fulfilled the overarching plan of redemption as outlined in Scripture.

[@CJILMinistriesprotruth]

Not teaching the Investigative Judgment or not believing it does not make it false. It can be proven from scriptures.

[@barryford1482]

@@CJILMinistriesprotruth I don't believe the IJ can be proven from scripture and that is why it is false. The IJ has made countless Adventist unsure of there salvation which is a by product of a false doctrine

[@charnelallan7159]

​@@CJILMinistriesprotruthHOW so? Ur SOP CHANGED GOD'S INPIRED WORD IN DANIEL 8 14. WHICH READS ( PAY CLOSE ATTENTION) FOR UNTO 2300 EVENING AND MORNING THEN THEN THEN SHALL THE SANCTUARY BE CLEANSED ( A DONE DEAL) IF U CLAIM 2300 DAYS WERE YEARS WHY DOES ADVENTISM INTERPRÈT THE PROPHECY TO BE THE BEGINING OF THE CLEANSING? WAKE UP

[@nonconformist4802]

Yes they are a cult and there are many boxes they do tick off on the criteria to be one.

[@jdaze1]

All religions are cults and traditions of men. God never created a religion. He gave his commandments and added no more. Deut. 5:22, Jer. 7:22-24, Isaiah 66:3. Moses wasn't allowed into the promise land because he allowed the people to return to their Egyptian traditions not because he struck a rock. Jer. 7:24. And Jesus never started a religion full of the traditions most Christians have followed since at least 325 ad via the traditions concocted by Rome in the 2nd and 3rd century. The true faith is followed by a very small unknown flock scattered around the world living among the masses. No "church" services, no tithes, no pagan holidays, no alters, no baptismal, no alter calls, etc. just living as living sacrifices, producing fruit of the Spirit, and walking in repentance and victory over sin. Relationship with the Father not religion.

[@Effesian]

Go on brother, show us what work based salvation is, remember to carry your bible in that discussion. May God open our eyes during the discussion.

[@Sirach144]

Yes. If you notice most of the religions that come out of the 1800s all have a leader that has to be obeyed in order to be in the truth. So for example, the Mormons have Joseph Smith, EGW with the Seventh-day Adventists, Charles Taze Russell with the Bible Students the governing body with the Jehovah’s Witnesses. All of them tend to claim some kind of leader that has a special message.

[@HealingWord_Psalm107-20]

What you mean is that you can’t understand how SDAs can believe in salvation by grace alone through faith alone and affirming the continuity of Sabbath keeping in the NT and an investigative judgment. It’s a lack of understanding on your part. It’s not a failure to be clear or an attempt to deceive on our part.

[@HealingWord_Psalm107-20]

You fail to understand that works and obedience are two different categories in the NT (Romans 3:19-20; Romans 6:16-18).

[@HealingWord_Psalm107-20]

You also fail to understand the NT distinction between God’s provision for our salvation-Jesus’ atoning death on the cross (John 19:30; Romans 3:24-26)-and the full and final realization of that salvation-standing glorified before God’s throne having endured the great tribulation (Revelation 7:14; 15:2). Consider how even in the OT the song of rejoicing could be sung that the Lord has clothed me with garments of salvation-robes of righteousness (Isaiah 61:10). Yet we clearly see that white robes are given to genuine believers on condition of overcoming (Revelation 3:5). Also, joint heirship is fully realized when Christ’s invites us to sit on His throne (Revelation 3:21). And guess what? It’s on condition of overcoming. Looking forward to the complete realization of our salvation doesn’t deny the assurance of the promise accepted and enjoyed by faith today. You have to understand that the white robe of righteousness is a metaphor, and a reality-something we’ll actually receive in heaven (Revelation 19:8). The promise of righteousness imputed must become the practice of righteousness implemented, or else faith was not genuine. That’s what the judgment will expose. This is really just good ol’ Wesleyan doctrine that is largely rejected by the ever-declining evangelicalism of today.

[@nonconformist4802]

@@HealingWord_Psalm107-20 No, you don't believe in salvation by grace alone. Your goddess has bewitched your critical thinking skills. "It means eternal salvation to keep the sabbath" Testimonies for the Church 6: 354 -356 Your denomination don't even believes in sola scriptura, dont deceive yourself.

[@motswasele8454]

Typical SDA's copout: "you lack understanding." The other copout is, "you are taking her (Ellen White) out of context."

[@nonconformist4802]

@@motswasele8454 Do you have some troubled to comprehend her own words?

[@jimmattson8008]

SDA church I went to told me that I was a transgressor because I didn't observe the Sabbath day Saturday. I'll be judged by Jesus and not by the SDA.

[@SinZlair]

Is not faith without works dead according to the book of James? i'm just curious, I don`t know the bible so well.

[@WatcherNine]

Faith without works being dead faith means this: You are saved by faith alone in Jesus Christ and his work on the cross. People who are saved are supposed to be examples to others regarding how to live with and treat your fellow man. This treatment of others is the "fruit", or "works" that is evidence of your salvation.

[@dulcetsimone1482]

The only place "Faith Alone" is in the Bible is when James says that "You are not saved by faith alone" Faith gives you grace, which is the power to do good, stop doing evil, etc. Therefore, your actions will prove whether or not you truly believe. For example, say that you're struggling with sexual immorality, like watching porn. If you believe in your hearr that God raised Jesus from the dead, you will BELIEVE that He's powerful enough to deliver you. This is why we can't boast. It's grace through faith. Scripture teaches that we are saved by faith and judged by our deeds. Our deeds prove whether or not we believe in God and the testimony of His Son. When Paul presents the Gospel to King Agrippa, he said that he preaches to the gentiles to "Repent, Turn to God, and perform deeds consistent with repentance. Because God has appointed a day when He will judge the world in righteousness through a man who He has appointed. God has furnished proof by raising Him from the dead." We're also taught to be imitators of God as beloved children, and walk as Christ walked. Something that is only possible with the grace of God, and believing in that grace. Faith.

[@samuelhughes289]

Am guessing you an Adventists? It's alright, but you gonna have to impact some knowledge of scriptures in other to truly set yourself free. When Martin Luther was compiling the 66 books that makes up what is known to be the canonical bible today, he nearly took the book of James out when he came upon this work based Faith teaching of James. But upon careful inspection, God finally gave him the understanding of it. Yes, indeed salvation is by faith alone ND not works. The works that James was talking about is not works that reflects salvation, but works that enables people to glorify God, which is also termed as good works. There are good works that any professing christian must be able of to bring people into the faith and glorifying GOD. These works however does not contribute to our salvation, not not at all. If there was something that we could have done under the Law for our own salvation, then Christ died in vain. Some of these good works includes feeding the hungered, clothing the naked, aiding the sick and helpless etc ... However, there are other faiths who are able of these good works but do not believe in Christ Jesus. So if both believers and none believers are able of performing same good works, what then sets them apart? Nothing except the blood of Jesus Christ. It is by the blood that we are justified as sinless and not by any Law. John 1:17 differentiate between Law and Grace. The Seventh Day Adventist Church are wrong about upholding the Law for salvation. They have been called out for years but they are just too stubborn and prideful to listen. There were not used to believing in the trinity, as a matter of fact they actually do not as they downplay Jesus' sacrifice on the cross and rather choose to take solace in keeping the Sabbath as vital for salvation.

[@SinZlair]

@@WatcherNine yeah that was a good explanation thanks! But I guess it also means we cannot continue in our old ways like drinking, smoking, cursing etc… Atleast I used to do that alot before.

[@WatcherNine]

@@SinZlair This is true. When you are saved, you accept Jesus as your savior and the work he did on the cross. He's forgiven your sins if you confess them to him, but you must also repent. That simply means you change your mind about sin and make your best effort not to repeat them. We all sin, we all fall, we all stumble, but we are also forgiven, but that doesn't mean we can continue on in a willfully sinful lifestyle. We have to repent and change. If you cling to your sin it means you never took it all seriously and are not saved. So yes, a change is necessary. That's also one of the 'fruits' of salvation. You lead a better life! It's a good thing. 🙂

[@ZUGTFO]

Yes

[@3Muchlove]

Faith and works goes together, you cannot accept the gift of grace through faith (Christ dying on the cross) ask for forgiveness (justification) and carry on sinning (sanctification). You are saved by faith through grace but have to be transformed totally and try to sin no more (through the merits of Christ) or you with forfeit (be lost) by defiance / iniquity (purposely breaking the law of God). Are you saying that once saved, always saved? That there should be no difference with the righteous and the unrighteous? That we should continue in sin so that grace may abound? Well, God forbids that, Romans 6:1-2. You cannot serve God and the devil, you have to choose one master, if you choose God you will sin no more through the merits of Christ and the workings of the Holy Spirt John 8:11

[@aar0n709]

SDA are not Christian, most christians consider you a cult because you are a cult. Your not Christian, your like mormons or JW or Christian Science?

[@mpattilo]

The problem with SDA's is that their world and beliefs are completely informed by EGW's writings whether they read her writings or not. They are really good at proof texting their beliefs to make it seem it is biblical but cannot read the scriptures in context and see their errors. The problem.os they prove the scriptures based on EGW's writings instead of proving EGW's writings by the scriptures. Where her writings conflict with scripture, they believe that those who based their beliefs on scripturexare misinterpreting scripture because they have the "latter day light" and that this light, which is EGW the lesser light and spirit of prophecy, illuminates the greater light of the scriptures. Their own statement of belieg is illogical. How can a lesser light illuminate a greater light? And scripture is clear about who is the spirit of prophecy, is is Jesus Christ. Jesus fulfilled the law thus further prophecy is needed. They also believe that Satan is the scapegoat upon whom all of man's sin will be placed. This is an insane belief. They twist scripture based on EGW's writings. They used the levitical law to support this insane doctine completely ignoring the fact that that the scapegoat and the sacrificial goat were identical and both spotless. Satan is not spotless nor perfect so to say Satan can be the scapegoat is insane. They also believe Jesus is performing Aaronic priesthood duties in heaven and that he somehow took his own blood to heaven to cleanse the "heavenly sanctuary. This is also insane as nothing in heaven is defiled based on scripture. But when you try to point this out they ignore it and go right back ro proof texting their beliefs by cherry picking and twisting scripture out of context to fit their worldview and doctrines if you ask them to sjoe you where in scripture the incmvestigative judgement is mentioned, they will tell you it is woven throughout and not specifically mentioned but can be inferred if you take all scripture in context which you can't infer it unless your worldview is informed by EGW. That is when even SDA's who say they don't rely on EGW's writings and are sola scripture will quote EGW to make their point. What you will find is even SDA's who say that she was not a prophet and they don't teach that her writings as Prophetic will rely on those same writings to interpret scripture. So while they use Christian language, their beliefs are not based on the bile alone but arexbasex on the bible as interpreted through the cleansing of EGW's writings. Wherever her writings conflict with scripture, her writings are used to "interpret" scripture "correctly" because imscripture cannot be correctly understood without her "lesser light" to illuminate the scriptures greater light. It is impossible to have a meaningful biblical discussion with SDAs because of the see everything through the lens of EGW's writings whether they admit it or not. I hav3 a very dear friend who is SDA and I tried to have her show me in the bible alone the OJ, Daan as scapegoat etc and she could not without quoting Mrs White. I pointed out passages in EGW's writings that directly conflict with scripture and she could not see it. I even showed her where EGW plagerized much of her writings even plagerizing the false prophet Josep Smith and she would not accept it. SDA is a cult because their members are so brainwashed that they cannot accept truth and will defend EGW even when you show them her errors. They are just like LDS and JW inThat way. I finally had to tell my friend that I just can't discuss scripture with her becausexI reject SDA doctrine and EGW's writings so I have a completely different understanding of what scripture s ays and will never accept her interpretations. I also had to tell her that contention on the scripture is anti-christ and that i will not argue about what he scriptures actually say. I had to tell her that I believe what Jesus said as written not as interpreted through the visions of EGW. The book the Great Controversy informs how SDAs see the character of God, of Jesus, of the Holy Spirit and of Satan and is jot based on scripture.

[@chefgav1]

Catholics also teach a works base

[@jeffpaton9667]

Will God be judging us according to our faith? The Bible is clear on this issue without exception. Jesus said, "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good to the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, to the resurrection of damnation." John 5:28-29. Paul writes that God "Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing, seek for glory, and honor, and immortality; eternal life." Romans 2:6-7. "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that every one may receive the things done in the body, according to that he hath done, whether good or bad." 2 Cor. 5:9-10. Notice that we will receive according to what is done, and not according to what we believed. Peter asserts, that the Father, "without respect of persons, judgeth according to every man's work." 1 Peter 1:17. And St. John concludes with these formidable words: "And the dead were judged out of the things written in the books, according to their works." Rev. 22:12. Observe that it is not once said, "according to their faith." The works spoken of here are the fruit of faith. Once again, I want to emphasize the words of Jesus that "he who abides in Me will bear much fruit." Works are not merit, but the fruit of genuine faith which Christ works through the believer. A fruitful faith is a saving faith.

[@changedman6035]

The Judgment Seat of Christ is to determine rewards, read 1 Corinthians 3:10-15. A genuine believer will definitely have good works in their lives, but when the Bible speaks about us being judged according to our works, it is speaking about us being judged to determine our eternal rewards in heaven. The Bible is abundantly clear, we are saved by faith alone, period. If anyone gets that wrong, then they have lowered the bar of salvation so low that they think they can earn it, which is absurd and horrible theology, God is the thrice holy God, He will not be bribed, the only good work God will accept is the good work of Jesus, and by being in Him through faith alone, when God looks at us, He sees Jesus, because we have the very righteousness of Christ.

[@jeffpaton9667]

@@changedman6035 Nonsense, there is no "faith alone" in Scripture, but faith without works is a dead faith. "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good to the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, to the resurrection of damnation." John 5:28-29. This is not "rewards" as your antinomian false gospel suggests.

[@charnelallan7159]

FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT LOVE JOY PEACE PATIENCE KINDNESS GOODNESS ABOVE SUCH THERE IS NO LAW

[@charnelallan7159]

GOOD WORKS NOT LAW KEEPING WHICH RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT A PART OF. NOONE IS JUSTIFIED BY WORKS OF THE LAW GALATIANS 3

[@charnelallan7159]

RESSURECTION TO EVERLASTING LIFE AND RESURECTION TO DAMNATION IS NOT ONE IN THE SAME​

[@christcenter915]

Not just by faith alone, but by obedient faith alone. Obedient faith includes (1) repentance (2) baptism into the name Jesus Christ (3) received the Holy Spirit. Satan believes (faith)in God but can't receive the Holy Ghost.. just faith without obeying these 3 steps by faith, does not save anyone.

[@iThinkBiblically]

Faith apart from works. Zero works are involved in justification before God. Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

[@Yvanylda]

"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." Roma 4

[@3Muchlove]

Amen

[@3Muchlove]

@@iThinkBiblicallyI think all Christians, regardless of their denomination believes in justification. We are all saved by grace (the merits of Christ dying on the cross), there is nothing we as humans can do to be saved except we humbly repent and accept the gift of grace. The real question is what happens after that process. Those who think once saved always saved is not following what the Bible says about this and there are eternal consequences. Do not preach this message unless you plead for God to speak the biblical truth through you. You need to discuss sanctification in your interview with a true SDA believer and servant of God

[@3Muchlove]

@@Yvanyldathat’s justification, we all do that, what about sanctification?

[@WisemanBanda-x1g]

Me I don't have time to read Helen G White books, am busy to read only Bible 2 TM 3:16

[@nonconformist4802]

All glory to God for doing that

[@scottholder7375]

@@WisemanBanda-x1g While you're at it read and follow; 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV - Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

[@markshark1613]

YES is the simple answer!

[@nothingnothing7958]

Ellen is right in saying we are reconciled to God by our works and faith as Jesus, John, James and even Paul say we need works and need to obey Gods commandments.

[@iThinkBiblically]

They never say we are reconciled to God by our works.

[@nothingnothing7958]

@@iThinkBiblically but if your a Christian and have faith in christ but at the same time live in sin and disregard his commandments then your not saved. Btw I'm talking about life style not seasons of sin/ slip ups.

[@wilsonsmanz]

@@iThinkBiblically You are doing the same thing Athiest do to Christians all the time. They take bits and piece of the bible, totally negligent of context and the overall message of the bible to attack Christians. You're doing the same thing with EG White. Because you're just taking quotes that you found somewhere to try to make a point when you can easily find quotes where she clearly says we are saved by grace and not by works. For instance from the Book entitled Faith and Works, "Eternal life is an infinite gift. This places it outside the possibility of our earning it, because it is infinite. It must necessarily be a gift. As a gift it must be received by faith, and gratitude and praise be offered to God." In Review and Herald she wrote this, "The divine favor, the grace of God bestowed upon us through Jesus Christ, is too precious to be given in exchange for any supposed meritorious work on the part of finite, erring man. Man has nothing in himself. The most exalted does not originate from man, but is the endowment of his Creator, and can purchase nothing from God." But you won't reference or look for any statements like these right? It took me 2 minutes to find them and I used google and typed in EG White Saved by Grace. Just like Athiest in the bible only want to find what seems to support their bias, you are doing the same thing.

[@saliadee2564]

@@wilsonsmanz people not being able to understand the SDA take, which is really just the biblical take, on being saved by grace alone but showing fruits of obedience as a result reminds of me of how muslims are incapable of understanding the islamic dilemma. it's willful, at least at part. and very sad.

[@neiljoseph2330]

The issue with the SDA and many who teach the same doctrines is that they don't understand grace or the source of salvation. 1. The grace of God is what brings a person to repentance. Jesus said that nobody can come to Him unless the Father draws them. Ephesians 2 CLEARLY says that we are saved by grace through faith which means we are saved by God's unmerited favor through His divine pursuasion (calling and prompting to seek the Lord). 2. We are justified by Christ ALONE. Consider the following passge. Notice there is NEVER a time where works is considered in salvation. Paul even warned the Galatians about this when he said "Oh foolish Galatians who has bewitched you..." They were moving away from the Spirit back to law aka works based salvation. This righteousness is given through faith in h Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. - Romans 3: 22-24 3. The works that James is speaking of is a PRODUCT of grace. Works is should be evidence of grace and salvation. Anytime someone is doing something not influenced by grace seeking to justify themselves through an action it is sin. It is the sin of spiritual pride. Any righteous act we do should be from the inner character development of the sanctification process. Adventists teach that you go to Hell if you don't keep the Sabbath. That cannot be true because that is a sign between Jews and God. It is the MORAL LAW that determines what God is pleased with and the law is written on our hearts according to Scripture. While we grow in the Lord the Spirit convicts us of sin and righteousness as the Bible says. So to teach anyone that they are saved by what they do or don't do is false doctrine. A person can do all the holy things and never go to Heaven because they are not under grace. They did it in their own power and not of Christ. Hope this clears it up.

[@scottfredricks6460]

Yes it is!!

[@3Muchlove]

No it’s not

[@aar0n709]

@@3Muchlove Its not christian and never will be accepted as such. Lol why do you want our acceptance, we dont want you, your not wanted amongst us, your our enemy and we are yours. Your no different from the muslim, the jew, the jw, the mormon, the Christadelphian, the hindu

[@MyMasada]

Praying for you!

[@charnelallan7159]

ADVENTISM IS TRULY A CULT

[@quadrasaurus-rex8809]

lol at all the SDA cope in the comments

[@umabrijmohun6720]

Thank you for willing to defend the Gospel against SDA cult

[@bunnyreid3]

It is not right if the SDA is not theology trained in their church doctrine. In Jamaica no SDA pastor will debate or talk in a group setting with me. Only one showed up and never returned. Only the layman will come to defend SDA belief. They also have lots of Arian but the main steam SDA refuse to rebuke them.

[@3Muchlove]

Satan’s agent

[@Mr.biggstrength]

Thank you

[@scottholder7375]

Lecture: The New Covenant, the Testator, and the Remnant of God Introduction Welcome, everyone. Today, we will explore the significance of the New Covenant established by Jesus Christ, focusing on the role of the testator, the assurance it provides for God’s remnant, the importance of keeping the commandments, particularly the Sabbath, and the distinction between the Old and New Covenants. 1. Understanding the New Covenant The New Covenant is a foundational concept in Scripture, primarily detailed in the Book of Hebrews. Hebrews 9:16-17 states, "For where there is a will, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a will is in force after men are dead; since it has no power at all while the testator lives." Key Point: The New Covenant is established through the death of Jesus Christ, who serves as the testator. His sacrificial death creates a new relationship between God and humanity, emphasizing grace, mercy, and redemption. 2. Assurance for the Remnant of God (Rev 12:17 KJV) For those identified as the remnant-believers who faithfully keep God’s commandments-the New Covenant offers profound assurance. Romans 8:1 declares, "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." Key Point: This assurance signifies that believers are justified and freed from the penalty of sin. The New Covenant reassures them of their standing before God, providing hope and confidence in their faith. 3. The Importance of the Sabbath Central to this discussion is the observance of the Sabbath, commanded in Exodus 20:8-11. The Sabbath is designated as a holy day of rest and worship. Key Point: The Sabbath command is seen as unchangeable by divine decree. Attempts by religious organizations to alter the Sabbath to Sunday or any other day challenge God's authority and can be viewed as representative of an antichrist spirit (1 John 2:18). 4. The Distinction Between the Old and New Covenants The essential difference between the Old and New Covenants is rooted in the promises of the testator. Old Covenant: Based on the Law and its requirements (Deuteronomy 30:15-16). The people were to adhere strictly to the commandments for righteousness. New Covenant: Established through Christ’s promise, emphasizing faith, grace, and internal transformation (Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:10). Key Point: The New Covenant does not abolish the Ten Commandments; instead, it fulfills and reinforces them through a new understanding of grace and obedience. 5. Salvation Through Faith Across Both Covenants A crucial point to clarify is that being saved by grace under the New Covenant does not imply that those under the Old Covenant were saved by law-keeping. Ephesians 2:8-9 states, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God." Key Point: Old Testament saints were saved by faith, looking forward to the promised Messiah, just as New Testament believers look back at His completed work. This underscores the consistency of God's redemptive plan throughout history. Conclusion In conclusion, the New Covenant established through Jesus Christ is vital for understanding our relationship with God today. It provides assurance to the remnant who keep His commandments, including the Sabbath, while emphasizing that salvation is through faith and grace, not through works alone. The distinctions between the Old and New Covenants remind us of God's unchanging nature and His desire for a personal relationship with each of us. Thank you for your attention, and I look forward to any questions or discussions you may have on this topic.

[@KevinRosado-j3v]

What evangelicals forget, it leave aside is that grace is not the end. There is a thing call santificación and santificación is a process of restoration of the way of life. Is a process describe by the Bible as a work that require a mutual effort between the Holy spiritual and men. Jesus himself is our example. Jesus was fully human and fully men. His life was an example to follow. Did Jesus really need to pray everyday??? Would that be considered salvation by work? How about his effort to resist temptation? Did he made surrender to God a necessary? Would this not be considered legalistic, to say it it written? To act only as the Bible say? You can surely see in the life in Jesus that he did not do anything without the aim of the Holy Spirit. We must follow his example. But the problem is that evangelicals believe that God transforms people by a mystical, magic like. That it don’t matter your sins as long as you simply say I believe in Jesus. The demons believe in Jesus and confess that he is the son of God, but they do not obey him. Righteousness- the word righteousness means right doing. Faith is not just believing but acting out in what you believe, that’s all of what EGW is saying. She never disconnect the day divide assistance (the Holy Spirit) from the Human exercise of faith. That is your good works. But if your good works don’t show who you really believe, your faith is dead. That’s what the apostle Paul says.

[@CalledUntoHoliness]

They also believe that Jesus is Michael the Archangel. The Bible teaches that Jesus is God almighty.

[@godhelpsandfrees]

Wow. I found that, because of Book of Daniel, they say. But just in that book maybe. But they helped me a lot through their channel. If they are on fire and edify church then it doesn't matter what church they belong I believe. Cos some of them had perfect fruit for me to overcome what I thought i would never but seeing them witness "go one hundred percent for Jesus" shifted me on next level

[@PachiMo8]

Question... Was Jesus the only one w power and authority to cast Satan out of heaven?

[@scottholder7375]

@@CalledUntoHoliness I'm a seventh Day Adventist To argue that Michael the archangel is NOT Jesus, we can reference several biblical passages that highlight their distinct roles: Hebrews 1:4-5: This passage states that Jesus is superior to the angels and specifically notes that God never referred to any angel as His Son, emphasizing Jesus' unique status. Revelation 12:7-9: Here, Michael leads the angels in a battle against the dragon (Satan). This role as a warrior angel differs from Jesus' role as Savior and Redeemer. Jude 1:9: In this verse, Michael contends with the devil over the body of Moses. The context shows him as a servant of God, whereas Jesus is depicted as divine and sovereign. Colossians 1:16: This passage describes Jesus as the Creator of all things, including thrones and powers. In contrast, Michael is depicted as a created being, an angel. These verses collectively support the distinction between Michael the archangel and Jesus Christ.

[@repent.sinner]

JW's believe that

[@AverLife]

I'm not SDA and never have been, I've also been trying to help Little Light Studios(SDA YT) to see they shouldn't keep pushing the sabbath, when one day or everyday alike is not to be judged. And the false claim of Sunday Law by the RCC to be the mark, when in Acts they met on the first day. But this first passage at 5:00 does seem biblical when you consider these verses: - He that endures to the end shall be saved. - I'll show you my faith by my works. (Faith without works is dead). - For by *Grace* ye are saved through *faith* (Grace to help your works of faith). - Many verses in Rev.2 & 3 on he that overcometh. (What if you don't overcome?) - Given Power to become a son of God. - If ye love Me keep My commandments. - Everyone quotes Eph.2:8-9 but ignore verse 10 (unto good works). - We will be known by our fruit. - Resist the devil and he will flee from thee. - Don't be the unprofitable servant. - Don't be a foolish virgin. - His Bride hath made herself ready. - Harvest comes when the vine is ripe. - Unless a grain of wheat fall into the ground and & *die* (die to self - forsake all) it abideth alone. - Now if we are children, then we are heirs-heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory Now are they Born Again, would be the better question. Because then His Holy Spirit would lead them into all truth. Your ministry is His Grace helping, compelling you, to show your good works of faith. If you ignored your calling, you would be burying your talent. Your Fight the good Fight is your overcoming and to get us through each day of sufficient evil is His Grace. I think Eph.2:8&9 is very mis-understood. No man is justified by the works of the law given by Moses, Faith without works is dead(good works verse 10), His continued Grace to help us overcome daily. For we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God and not of us. The GC 28 does sound extreme though. And no, Mat.24 has not yet been fulfilled. Context is key.

[@bunnyreid3]

Sabbath in Christ explained investigating judgement doctrine by my late friend Dale Ratzlaff.

[@mikeforfar9493]

Stale Ratloaf has gone to his 1000 yr rest. His theology is easily refuted.

[@bunnyreid3]

@@mikeforfar9493 Dale Ratzlaff had none to refute . I tried to get NCU to refute him. None from their Theology school would. I know quit a few SDA students left SDA because their teachers refuse to talk about his work.

[@mikeforfar9493]

@@bunnyreid3 rather strange. i can refute his garbage.

[@mikem3789]

Caleb, I don’t know anything about the SDA. From your readings, it appears they do teach some heresy and at a minimum misinterpret many scriptures. As a point of clarity, I hope you will address Jesus’ admonition to all seven churches in Rev 2&3 regarding ‘He who overcomes’ and the accompanying promise. I’m assuming 1 John 5:4-5 would apply. Looking forward to the discussion. I’m hoping you will have a similar exchange with a Calvinist in the future. 🙏

[@JulianArmy1]

yes

[@bunnyreid3]

The investigation judgement doctrine say Christ is in heaven investigating your sin . Is work is not finish at the cross. Is fit Roy a theology student from an SDA school . I am Jamaican and there is many type of SDA. And some are Arian. They used Christian word but Ellen interpret.

[@saliadee2564]

If you sin, do you not ask for forgiveness? If you do, it means Christ is still ministering as our High Priest, in the Heavenly Sanctuary, which the Lord pitched, and not man. Christ paid the price for sin in full at the cross. It was finished right then, no mistake. But then he entered the temple by his own blood, and has been forgiving people's sins ever since.

[@SojournerDidimus]

Pedantically, we are saved by good works and obedience to the law of God. However, it is not through *our* works and obedience, but by Christ's.

[@charnelallan7159]

Really THATS ANOTHER GOSPEL. For it is by grâce u have been saved it is a GIFT from God.

[@SojournerDidimus]

@@charnelallan7159 have you read and considered the entire comment before reacting to it?

[@eugeneattaattadjei9403]

In John19:31- what is the High Sabbath/High Day Which day of the week was Jesus burried and on which day did he rise for it to be counted 3days & 3nights??? Please make clear for us

[@BillBiggs1]

Thanks for cutting to the chase

[@bunnyreid3]

Ellen teach " the man Jesus Christ is not God Almighty. SDA refuse to condemn Ellen .

[@nonconformist4802]

They won't condemned nothing, for if they do their money fountain will dry up

[@mikeforfar9493]

she was referring to his human nature. She made it clear that his divine nature He was God in the highest sense.

[@nonconformist4802]

@@mikeforfar9493 _"He was God in the highest sense."_ No, he was not: 1) And as to the Son of God, he would be excluded also, for he had God for his Father, and did, some point at the eternity of the past, have beginning of days. JN Andrews Review and Herald Seoptember 1869 2) God is the father of Christ. Christ is the son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. EGW Testimonies of the Church vol 8 pg 268 So no, you are either misinformed or ignorant about your church believes.

[@mikeforfar9493]

@@nonconformist4802 well you have just proven yourself to be a liar. If you read Testimonies 8 p268 you will read that she is quoting and saying the same thing as Hebrews chapter 1. What JN Andrews believed is irrelevant.

[@nonconformist4802]

​@@mikeforfar9493 No potato, your goddess, Andrews, Smith, Waggoner and Imad Awde are actually Arian and it don't fall in line with John 1. So no, I am not a liar but you have uncovered yourself as an anti-Christ follower

[@vanankumar5733]

But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us-for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”- so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith. Galatians 3:12-14

[@scottholder7375]

@@vanankumar5733Sin is the curse of the law. The curse is on our sin(s). Jesus redeemed you from the curse of the law. Meaning; He redeemed you from your sin. If any of us should continue to live in sin, we've decided to take the curse and die in our sins.

[@vanankumar5733]

@@scottholder7375 Sin is an act of not observing the Law requires. Curse = Condemned by Sin

[@scottholder7375]

@@vanankumar5733 Numbers 32:23 - b KJV ... "and be sure your sin will find you out." How true that is, because the law don't lie, and it is the law "job" (like a mirror) to tell us the truth and the state of our character. We can thank God for the law that tell us the truth about ourselves. So, that we can go and repent and find refreshing that comes from the Lord through his forgiveness ❤️

[@vanankumar5733]

@@scottholder7375 Old testament verses not meant for those after New Testament. It meant for those Israelites pre Jesus era. Read the Latest verses after Jesus died for our sins at the cross. His atonement sacrifice. Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” Galatians 3:11 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death (Torah). For God has done what the law(Torah), weakened by the flesh, could not do. Romans 8:1-3

[@vanankumar5733]

@@scottholder7375 Don't just stuck in the middle.. The Law tells the truth that we need Jesus.. Law pointing to Jesus.. Whether law or lawless people from every nation needed Jesus.. it point to Jesus. So read again Bible fully to understand that Law was given so that Israel needed to seek Jesus not to looping with law observing than being sinner.. Law makes u sinner. Law never made to make you righteousness. for righteous you need Jesus not Law(Torah)

[@Mr.biggstrength]

Thank you

[@godhelpsandfrees]

I am not Seventh Day Adventist but I was led in Spirit to worship God on Saturday because I got attacked then by Enemy immensely. Adventists are basically biblical Christians so I got reccomended with their Bible Studies on KZbin. It was not written they are Adventists just Christians and through them I got delivered from: a) thinking one foot must be in world, b) my evil is normal, cute, funny. Anyway I go to mine church (where we focus on endurance of those who gave life to Christ, no one teaches us that but we build on that) not to Adventist one but on my personal journey I found what Caleb read from their Ellen (I guess) book to be true, I don't know now what were her words: Getting to Christ equals feeling not saved... (But you focus on Christ not works)

[@charnelallan7159]

TEST THE SPIRIT GOD'S PRESENCE IS NOT CONFINED TO THE 34 HR CLOCK

[@acts.412]

So when Jesus said 'it is finished' he didn't really mean it was finished

[@supersilverhazeroker]

i wish this conversation was with the advent defense league, i don't who this guy is, he may be good to.

[@theoretical-b1h]

Lol I wish he could go to their channel those guys are really good at analyzing stuff

[@nonconformist4802]

@@theoretical-b1h 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You mean they are good at twisting stuff.

[@theoretical-b1h]

@@nonconformist4802 what stuff did they twist, if those guys can't get through you then you must be really ignorant or foolish honestly

[@christcenter915]

Yes, yes? yes!

[@LoCoWi]

So our sins, defile Jesus' blood and therefore, the sanctuary becomes defiled because of our sins and the sin-stained blood of Jesus. What Blasphemy from SDAism.

[@rochelleb9843]

Sin when did God add more scripture to the Bible and from a woman?? Rev 22:18&19

[@robertcain3426]

Technically, it would be considered a 'sect', sectarian.

[@kenyoung4610]

It may be that some Sunday keepers in other denominations are Christians. I don’t disagree with that!

[@eyesup4568]

Out of curiosity: what exactly does keeping the Sabbath require??

[@mikhailhunter5277]

Exodus 20:8-11 You keep the Sabbath by Not working, whether job, chores, cooking Worship God, meditate on his word You also want to refrain from doing your own pleasure This is from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. The Sabbath is a day of rest and relaxation too, so spend some time resting, sitting outside on a cool day under trees, taking a nap. It's day reserved for worshipping the LORD your God You prepare for Sabbath from the day before, you do things like cleaning, cooking, preparing clothes for church. We are labelled as cult because we keep the 10 commandments and advocate for the Sabbath...

[@ajw9975]

​@@mikhailhunter5277 Jesus magnifies the 10 commandments to include every thought/word/deed/intent (Matt5) and demands perfection (Matt5:48). I will add that there are all sorts of moral laws in the old covenant (all 613 of them incl. 10 commandments) that aren't covered in the 10 commandments. Only Jesus could fulfil this because he's fully God and fully human, and was the perfect sacrifice. You're just a human. So in summation, if you're going to follow the 10 commandment laws, I hope you're keeping it perfectly because if you're going to follow the laws, you have to do it with every thought/word/deed/intent, every second of the day, 24/7. It doesn't end there. There are all sorts of new testament sins (124 of them based on a compiled list) the one that ranks right up there (to me) is knowing what's good and failing to do it (James 4:17).

[@nonconformist4802]

​@@mikhailhunter5277 Are we allowed to do abortions on the sabbath? Well its clear that the SDA don't have a problem with that in their own hospitals. 6th commandment out the door. But hey, at least we kept the 4th one 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@fernandoaguirre2617]

Read your Bible. Exodus 20 8 11. You can do good on sabbath. It is a day for holy convocation.

[@haileydaily2016]

Take a moment and think about some of the other preachers, that have become multi-millionaires just like the Catholic Church.

[@cooldog60]

I believe the catholic religion is leading more people to hell than any other religion.

[@sweet1mcs]

@haileydaily2016 Question: What does this have to do with this video?

[@judereggievelez7467]

@@sweet1mcs I think he’s saying majority of preachers (and professing Christians) are confused about the gospel. The book of Romans explains the gospel (of grace) while Galatians defends the gospel (that it is by grace alone). You ask professing Christians why they will be in heaven when they die. Most will point to what they’ve done in the past or what they’re doing.

[@sweet1mcs]

@@judereggievelez7467 If this is what @haileydaily2016 meant, thank you for the clarification. If most (professing) Christians are counting on their works or good deeds and not on what Christ did on the cross for sinners, they will not enter into Heaven.

[@mikhailhunter5277]

Adventist Here: I quoted the scriptures that you said weren't in the Bible i.e. "unBiblical" REVELATION 3:21 "To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with my father on his throne." (Jesus speaking) 1 JOHN 5:4-5 "For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?" REVELATION 2:7 "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God" REVELATION 2:11: "...He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death" REVELATION 2:26: "And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the END, to him I will give power over the nations..." REVELATION 3:5 "He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels" These are just a few verses and there's even more. It's clear what EGW said is in fact straight from the Bible. Recall that she said Jesus can't save man AGAINST HIS WILL. If you WILL to sin he can't save you. I think we must overcome desire to sin. And we don't believe in works based salvation. The belief in a works based salvation REPLACES Jesus as the MEDIATOR between man and God. Faith and Works is also just works based salvation in disguise. We believe we are saved by grace through our faith. But because grace abounds does not mean we disregard the law. Certainly not! On the contrary We establish the law. ROMANS 3:31 If you have faith in Jesus your works MUST show it. Since faith means believe, if you BELIEVE God is going to destroy sin and sinners. Then shouldn't we stop sinning? Is not sinning transgression of the law? 1 JOHN 3:4 If you believe God is going to destroy sin and sinners shouldn't your works demonstrate your belief? JAMES 2:18

[@PrairieChristianOutreach]

Amen. Adventist soteriology is Biblically sound. Modern OSAS influence is destroying the evangelical faith from the inside. So many are walking away because of the lack of power in the message preached in such churches. We all need to do better.

[@j.r.mocksly5996]

I'll trust your word if you go eat some bacon, nothing wrong with that right?. Galatians 3:11, "Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”" If you treat the law as it properly should be treated by a Christian then I'll concede SDA is not a legalistic cult. And tell your friends you ate bacon and gauge their reaction.

[@PrairieChristianOutreach]

@@j.r.mocksly5996 What is your impression of Paul’s view of the Law. Was he a teacher and educator of the Law or someone trying to refute the Law? Is Gal. 5:16-26 speaking against the Law or explaining the true reality of the Law?

[@mikhailhunter5277]

@@j.r.mocksly5996 You don't have to trust my word, because I didn't speak my own words, but quoted the scripture as a witness against false claims. I don't eat bacon, because the pig was labelled as an unclean animal in Leviticus 11 because it has characteristics that makes it unclean. It's like asking me to eat a cockroach. Certain insects are also identified as unclean in Leviticus 11. Do you therefore eat cockroaches? I am not keeping the law to be justified in the eyes of God, I can't because I've already sinned. To be justified in the eyes of God by keeping the law, I should have not sinned at all, and Adam should not have sinned. Jesus died BECAUSE of sin, so why should I continue to sin? John 14:15 "if you love me keep my commandments" why should I transgress his law, which is the very thing that killed him? For had Adam and Eve obeyed God's command to not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil then Jesus wouldn't have died. If you love God don't do the sins that killed him. Willful transgression of the law is sin 1John 3:4

[@j.r.mocksly5996]

@@mikhailhunter5277 So Acts 10 is thrown right out, thank you. Do not call unclean that which God has called clean.

[@fernandogallardo3458]

All preachers like to have followers. Jesus Christ makes it clear in Matthew chapter 25, how he's going to separate the sheep from the goats for judgment. The sheep are going to inherit the kingdom of God, because they loved the brethren with action. [ Matthew 25:31-40 ] The goats are going into the lake of fire, because they did not loved the brethren with action. [ Matthew 25:41-46 ] Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God, and everyone that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God, for God is love. [ 1 John 4:7-8 ] God is love, and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. [ 1 John 4:16 ] If a brother or sister is naked, and destitute of daily food, and one of you say unto them, depart in peace, be you warmed and filled; notwithstanding you give them not those things which are needful to the body; what do it profit? [ James chapter 2 ] Though you speak with tongues of men and of angels, and though you have the gift of prophecy and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though you have faith to remove mountains, and though you bestow all your goods to feed the poor, and have no love, it profit you nothing. [ 1 Corinthians chapter 13 ] Jesus said to the Jewish, but I know you, that you have not the love of God in you. [ John 5:42 ] Paul said to Titus, they profess that they know God, but in works they deny him. [ Titus 1:16 ] My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. [ 1 John 3:18 ] FAITH WITHOUT ACTION IS DEAD. & LOVE WITHOUT ACTION IS DEAD.

[@davidbermudez7704]

Indeed it is because I was SDA

[@davidward5225]

Short answer: yes, and they do consider Ellen White’s writing to be equal to scripture. Then, of course, is the so-called “investigative judgment” nonsense.

[@mikeforfar9493]

the future Judgement is all through the new testament.

[@fernandoaguirre2617]

Seventh day Adventists don't consider her writings equal to scripture. As a matter of fact even she says the bible should be the sole authority and if people were reading their bibles God would not have needed her to write the writings. She says the bible is the greater light.

[@aar0n709]

@@fernandoaguirre2617 She says if you reject her you'll go to Hell

[@fernandoaguirre2617]

@@aar0n709 I've never read that. Show me where she wrote that?

[@aar0n709]

@@fernandoaguirre2617 "In ancient times God spoke to men by the mouth of prophets and apostles. In these days He speaks to them by the testimonies of His Spirit. There was never a time when God instructed His people more earnestly than He instructs them now concerning His will and the course that He would have them pursue." Testimonies, vol. 5, p. 661. You see this is her saying she is on the same level as scripture. Do you see how she twisted the words of Peter in Acts

[@jonathanbaby90]

I am a SDA Christian.. very happy about it. I love my church.My church is not infallible but I believe God’s message is. I have learned while being a SDA that God IS love. He’s not a God of force. The Creator of the universe came down to this earth to save mankind. He suffered, bled and died and rose again. We did nothing or have nothing to add to what He has done. He demonstrated His love to us., even while we were yet sinners. He died for all mankind, but not everyone will accept his gift. Those who do respond to this precious gift,are pushed forward by his power of love to obey His commandments. It’s all by His power that He forgives and His power is there to obey if we choose. Actually if we truly love Him we would keep His commandments. John 14:15 I do believe that we can all get into a work based mode. We want people to have prayer in school, not do abortions, stop the LBGQ agenda by force and by legislation. Christian evangelicals are mostly in the forefront of this. If we TRULY believe it’s not by works you are saved than why put works on people that don’t even know Christ? You will legislate but can’t change the heart. Only God can do that. Ellen White was a woman that I believe the Lord inspired. Did this mean she was infallible.. no. She wrote a lot of things. The quotes you are quoting still does not say we are saved alone by our works. She may not have written exactly like we like to read it but she mentions a lot, by the merits of Christ, or through God, obedience and faith. Example..Revelation 14:12.. Here is the patience of the saints here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.” Is John saying that we are saved through obedience alone.. no he mentions the faith of Jesus. She mentions by God’s strength and merit. You calling us a cult is not a big deal.. that’s your opinion. Jesus was called a devil because His teachings did not line up with the mainstream of His time. So this is nothing new. Being in the majority does not make things right..it’s usually the opposite.

[@charnelallan7159]

THE VERY FACT U CAN SAY U R AN SDA CHRISTIAN SPEAKS VOLUMES

[@KelvinBautista-d8n]

@@charnelallan7159sit down bro

[@mr.b2107]

Talk about trying to justify that church organization and an old wannabe prophet from the past. Sure that church is loaded with good conregational people, but as a former SDA, it's a church built on pride of itself and they instill in there followers that they have the real truth, yet it does not have or hold to sound doctrine! We were warned in the new testament of those that want to take you back to the bondage of the old school master laws.

[@RichardWane-p3r]

Interesting, in John 9:16 there were some Jews who say "how can a man who is a sinner do such signs".They believe because of the signs but they still want people to honour their day more than the Lord who restores the sight of blind people who see what they don't see.If they were,they would have said"This is truely the Son of God".

[@charnelallan7159]

WAS CHRIST ATONEMENT COMPLETED AT CALVARY ?

[@PrairieChristianOutreach]

This biggest misconception about Adventism from modern evangelicals is that Adventism is stanchly connected to Wesleyan Arminianism. In fact, if you were to read John Wesley's writings and compare them to Ellen White you will see the strong connection. Wesleyan Arminianism is an orthodox soteriology; however, it has been overshadowed by the OSAS and Reformed soteriological positions. Many of the people that leave Adventism pop up as Calvinists. So, they did so much leave Adventism as they left Arminianism. As an Adventist, my position is Reformed Arminianism. The defining difference in my soteriological understanding is I don't believe sins can cause one to lose their salvation. This is a long discussion, but it is summarized by Paul's statement in Eph. 2:8. It should also be noted that Arminianism by logical conclusion leads to an end time judgement, which is espoused in Adventist theology. Regarding the cult question. I find it very unfruitful. I have met many evangelicals that are members of cultic churches which dangerous soteriological positions. Many Adventists have very solid soteriological positions. I personally am saved and love my walk with Christ. I have many fruitful ministries, included prison ministry. I encourage those I study with to find a Christ center church and follow where He leads. I don't believe in one truth church. I believe in the body of Christ. I do believe the Adventists have the correct theology regarding Arminianism, state of the dead, the Law of God, and the fruits of the Spirit. I don't adhere to staunch eschatological interpretations as some Adventists, but again no church is perfect. Honestly, the demonization of fellow Christians is part of the reason the church as a whole is failing. The youth are no longer interested in the faith offered by main line, evangelical, or restorationist churches. They view it as condescending and self-righteous. If any faith is truly researched, one would find that there are many holes in the theology. There needs to be more honest discussion, and some Spirit led humility. None of us are completely right, we all have so much to learn and in the end, Jesus was very clear that our churches don't save us. Luke 10:25-37 Blessings,

[@PrairieChristianOutreach]

“But this doctrine has been much abused.” So has that of justification by faith. But that is no reason for giving up either this or any other scriptural doctrine. “When you wash your child,” as one speaks, “throw away the water; but do not throw away the child.” ― John Wesley: A Plain Account of Christian Perfection "...that habitual disposition of the soul which, in the sacred writings, is termed holiness; and which directly implies being cleansed from sin, 'from all filthiness both of flesh and spirit'; and, by consequence, being endued with those virtues which were in Christ Jesus; being so 'renewed in the image of our mind,' as to be 'perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect' - John Wesley: A Plain Account of Christian Perfectionism There is such a thing as perfection; for it is again and again mentioned in Scripture. It is not so early as justification, for justified persons are to “go on unto perfection” (Heb. vi. 1). It is not so late as death; for St. Paul speaks of living men that were perfect (Phil. iii. 15). It is not absolute. Absolute perfection belongs not to man, nor to angels, but to God alone. It does not make a man infallible; none is infallible while he remains in the body. Is it sinless? It is not worth while to contend for a term. It is “salvation from sin.” It is “perfect love” (I John iv. 18). This is the essence of it: its properties, or inseparable fruits, are, rejoicing evermore, praying without ceasing, and in everything giving thanks (I Thess. v. 16, etc.). It is improvable. It is so far from lying in an indivisible point, from being incapable of increase, that one perfected in love may grow in grace far swifter than he did before. It is amissable, capable of being lost; of which we have numerous instances. But we were not thoroughly convinced of this till five or six years ago. It is constantly both preceded and followed by a gradual work. But is it in itself instantaneous or not? In examining this, let us go on step by step. - John Wesley: A Plain Account of Christian Perfectionism Why should devout men be afraid of devoting all their soul, body, and substance to God? Why should those who love Christ count it a damnable error to think we may have all the mind that was in Him? We allow, we contend, that we are justified through the righteousness and blood of Christ. And why are you so hot against us, because we expect likewise to be sanctified wholly through His Spirit? We look for no favour either from the open servants of sin, or from those who have only the form of religion. But how long will you who worship God in spirit, who are “circumcised with the circumcision not made with hands” [Colossians 2:11], set your battle in array against those who seek an entire circumcision of heart, who thirst to be cleansed “from all filthiness of flesh and spirit,” and to “perfect holiness in the fear of God?” [2 Corinthians 7:1] Are we your enemies because we look for a full deliverance from that “carnal mind which is enmity against God?” [Romans 8:7] Nay, we are your brethren, your fellow-labourers in the vineyard of our Lord, your companions in the kingdom and patience of Jesus [Revelation 1:9]. Although this we confess (if we are fools therein, yet as fools bear with us), we do expect to love God with all our heart, and our neighbour as ourselves. Yea, we do believe that He will in this world so “cleanse the thoughts of our hearts by the inspiration of His Holy Spirit, that we shall perfectly love Him, and worthily magnify His holy name.” - John Wesley: A Plain Account of Christian Perfectionism The quotes above are just a start, but after reading expensively into John Wesley's works one can plainly see where Ellen White learned her view of Biblical soteriology. One of Wesley's favorite terms was "salvation from sin". John viewed that grace given by Christ allowed one to overcome sin. It was a type of partnership of will and purpose, or in a sense becoming one with God. Is this not what the New Covenant is all about?

[@nonconformist4802]

@@PrairieChristianOutreach _"There is such a thing as perfection; for it is again and again mentioned in Scripture."_ 🙃🙃🙃🙃 There is also a scripture that say: " If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." 1 John 1 You have wasted a lot of ink propagating your satanic doctrines, rather use that time more appropriate next time to read more Bible and less Ellen comics.

[@PrairieChristianOutreach]

@@nonconformist4802 From your comments I can see you struggle with being a bully. Please do more research on Wesley’s theology and how he approaches Scripture and come back to the conversation in a respectful Christian tone. Good day.

[@nonconformist4802]

@@PrairieChristianOutreach Let the Bible do the talking silly, and stop twisting the Word of God like your goddess Ellen White

[@PrairieChristianOutreach]

@@nonconformist4802 John 5:39-40. I’m certain you have much to learn from the Word of God. Now please stop being a bully and act like a Christian. John 13:35

[@TheTWhite]

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[@iThinkBiblically]

Woops... I've been scheduling other stuff in life :) All fixed

[@arkhamkillzone]

Does the word cult fit with any group that has certain practices? Meaning any religious group is a cult.

[@IamBrycey]

The definition of cult yes any group that holds to practices by a specific teacher is a cult. This also makes many groups who aren’t religious also cults. When people think of cult’s it tends to be something more negative. I prefer what the first paragraph of Wikipedia says about cults.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

That depends on how someone defines a cult. According to mainstream Protestants, anyone that doesn't fit their narrow, erroneous view of what "biblical doctrines" are is a cult, even though their own traditions ironically originate from pagan cults condemned in the Book they claim as the source of their beliefs.

[@cjsh1978]

It is a cult. I agree with something’s that the SDA says about the Catholic Church, but It overrides the law over grace.

[@josephwaynefreeman8040]

Let me be clear, I am a former Adventist, I still keep sabbath, and that's moral. And an ex Sunday keeper. I was there with the church for about 15years. The thing I thought was crazy teachings. You can not get baptized until you go thru the doctrines of the church to agree or did agree. If it's the real love of God, the father sends to you heart, saying you need a savior. Some times this calling happens when simple children respond. They don't understand non novice teachings . Like Trinity , and especially the unpardonable sin issue. Sins of omission and commissions .,Which is another hericical teaching. The children should be baptized to start their new life with Christ based on faith, I never use the word (alone). Because scripture don't use that word behind faith. Or sanctification would not cause workes being mixed with faith. Let me clarify what I'm saying. When someone except Christ as their savior. The come as they are.know matter what the know. Then Jesus justifies them . Gives them a robe of his righteousness. Then satisfaction is a process . To make you bible wise. (Mature). Glorification is then issued to us based by justification only. Eg white suggest that your satisfaction users you in to your glorification. Once again . Now let me say that Adventist people as a whole love the lord. And not all believe in the total writing of eg white. Jesus want judge u on what you knew about eg white any way. He will work in your heart to do his will and his good pleasure anyway. , phillipians ch 2v13. Jude verse 23,24. He got you covered. We will let him decide who he thinks is saved in all churches. It like Catholics. Even though they know the church should not be built on Jesus plus Mary. The go anyway, because that the way of tradition for them. And know no one is a liguallist for keeping sabbath and the rest of the moral law.because it required in James ch 1v23. If a Christian is already saved and they come into a Adventist church. The people half to be rebaptized after the agree with there doctrines. Which is confusing. I don't believe in Trinity. In believe in unitarism when it comes to the god head. And I use to ask them , do they need me to explain that doctrine to them and rebabptize them. That teaching of Trinity cames from Tertillian a roman Catholic in 325ad. If funny that they Adventist constitine in 321ad. And say we do wist to be Catholic. Just a few months ago Adventist teach there congregation that if they don't believe it Trinity Your blaspheming the holy Spirit. Well if that true the just alluninated James and EG white, neighbor one believed in Trinity the first 50 years of their church history. The were airianism (johova Whitness) , johova God created Christ and Jesus was Michael the arc angel. And that teaching is in some Adventist teaching about Daniel ch 12. Regardless of what you understand about doctrines. Salvation go to anyone who believes. And that's what get us in heaven one day. Thanks to Jesus for ending all sin at the cross Brother Joe out.

[@chapmaned24]

Instead of catholic bashing, you should seek the word, "Righteosness" from the Bible, but note that no man was ever given a commandment about a sabbath until "WORK" was first established. Works of the law of Moses. Work 6 days, and I'm not discussing picking tomatoes on the farm, I'm discussing RIGHTEOSNESS, works of. Then you can take a day off from your works of Righteosness. The problem...GENTILES were never told to work at all. Not even in the Ten Commandments. Read Romans 5:13, and tell me if Abraham slept with his sister.

[@nonconformist4802]

_"The were airianism (johova Whitness) , johova God created Christ and Jesus was Michael the arc angel"_ There was no differences in the birth of the Adventist club, their origin were also Arianism. and until today they worship a fake jesus. 2) You said that only the ceremonial laws were nailed to the cross and not the dietary, civil or moral laws. Do you have any scriptures for that?

[@scottholder7375]

The man was simply getting justification confused with sanctification.

[@mattmurdock2868]

​@scottholder7375 Yes, very confused.

[@scottholder7375]

​@@mattmurdock2868🙌📖🕊️🙏

[@maranathasam]

Rev 22:12-16: "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." John 14:12: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." John 6:29: "Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." Eph 2:10: "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." Jam 2:17-26: "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."

[@christcenter915]

They have fallen from Grace (salvation).

[@josephwaynefreeman8040]

In James ch 2 v 17. Faith had never been alone. What if Jesus told Abraham to sacrifice Isiac his son. And he refused. I hate killing animals must less my on boy. The issue is all the same with the moral law. In all these churches . It the difference between everyday being holy against the seventh day being holy. I do agree that eg did make the dietary law and issue of salvation. And Jesus died once for all. And not 2 time. The cross was completion of all sin. There is no sin in heaven at all even though Jesus has a sanctuary up there. I used to bring these things up in sabbath class when I attended sad church in ATL. I'm still a sabbath keeper just not sda, or church of God. It 7th day Christian.

[@dennisbrandt8517]

Being confident is one thing however being confidently wrong is very dangerous. God doesn't change and His law is eternal and yet so many so called Christians say that God's law isn't eternal as psalm 119:160 says calling God a liar. Try exodus 31:12-18 on for size...based on that are "you" His people? Maybe we should listen more, talk less, as we allow God to guide us into complete truth as small children. ISAIAH 8:20

[@ohitsustu1835]

Helen White was demon possessed 😢. SDA are a great bunch, with a lot going for them but sadly miss salvation by a mile.

[@ohitsustu1835]

@@Pollywaffle777 Hell Len 😊

[@GraysonBothma-f1y]

Ellen White was demon possessed what do you base that upon so we miss salvation by a mile! So you are God you know who will be saved I will be looking out for you on the great judgment day we will see how you fair.😊😊

[@perttisuorsa4678]

​@@Pollywaffle777 A demon possessed person who taught that Jesus has died on the cross for our sins ? Since when have demons been preaching that ?

[@GraysonBothma-f1y]

Hi so Ellen White is demon possessed so what do you base this on ? So we miss salvation by a mile ! So you must be God you know who will be saved. I will be looking out for you on the great judgment day, we will see how you fair 😊

[@OluS2023]

​@@perttisuorsa4678 Since 1st century gnosticism

[@Jephthah_1990]

SDA is not a cult and I'm yet to find someone that attacks the SDA that actually understand the SDA movement or the Bible. Most of the people in this comment section clearly don't have a clear or deep knowledge of the Bible.

[@balung]

And what? You know doubt obviously do, right?

[@charnelallan7159]

Ironically ALL PSUEDO CHRISTIAN CULTS ALWAYS PLACE THEMSELVES IN BIBLE PROPHECY. UR COMMENT PROVED JUST THAT

[@scottholder7375]

@@Jephthah_1990 Amen!

[@GnohmPolaeon.B.OniShartz]

Cult is short for culture. A cult is a micro culture. Usually secretive and generally in possession of knowledges they either hoard or disseminate. I am tired of this bad translation of the word. I grew up in cults. Jesus Cults and it did more for me than any impitent church building. If I hadn't found occultism I would assume miracles don't happen because the church doesnt perform them. Adventists are wrong, but they also aren't a cult. They are a legitimate religious organization just like scientology. They may be evil, but they are not a cult and being a cult doesn't automatically make you evil. I have PTSD from spiritual warfare because of this sh*t. Christians need to step into their power or everything is going to go very bad very soon.

[@NateH1984]

@@GnohmPolaeon.B.OniShartz Adventists are evil? May God forgive you for bearing false witness.

[@nonconformist4802]

​@@NateH1984 So preaching a cursed gospel is not evil? What kind of drugs are you on?

[@nonconformist4802]

They are evil and a cult, you obviously don't realised how their satanic foundation is indoctrinated into every follower.

[@NateH1984]

@@nonconformist4802 Not a cursed gospel at all. We preach the gospel of the Scriptures. The same one John the Baptist preached, the same one that Jesus preached, taught, and healed, the same one the disciples were martyred for and Paul was converted to and took to the Gentiles and the same one that has saved tens of millions since the beginning of God's plan of salvation to save sinners of "whom I am chief." That gospel. God bless.

[@nonconformist4802]

@@NateH1984 _" Not a cursed gospel at all."_ Oh really? _" We preach the gospel of the Scriptures ... the same one ...."_ No you don't! "The everlasting gospel was preach by Noah, by Abraham, by Paul and Peter and the apostles of past times. We cannot preach this gospel" Review and Herald April 1 1890 Are you really convinced that everybody will be deceived by your ignorance on reality?

[@faithhope7777]

I agree the writings could be better written, but it is a sound fact that we must work to Discipline ourselves. That is not works, because otherwise being Born again would be a waste of time. A Christian is to walk a sinless life, how can he/she do that if he does not show a commitment to Christ through his own actions...? For 1700 years satan has built a church that has a doctrine, that goes against the entire Word of God, and we have honored it...! And everyone accepts it. But the seventh day Adventist I do not know because they have refused to talk with me as a Christian many times, so I applaud your opportunity.

[@chapmaned24]

There is only one way to live a sinless life, and that way is to remove the rules. You can't break a law that doesn't exist: Romans 5:13, 4:15.

[@nonconformist4802]

_"But the seventh day Adventist I do not know because they have refused to talk with me"_ Yet you propagate the 10 commandments and specially the 4th one, instead of the saving gospel as was preached by Paul. Right? It simply make no sense.

[@faithhope7777]

@@chapmaned24 I understand your point and Scripture, But you are totally missing mine and Gods point. To be Born again is to become pure again just as you were from the womb. Then Why must you be Born again just to go on living the same sinful life...? 1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. Unless you are not taking God Seriously...? Go with God

[@faithhope7777]

@@nonconformist4802 Your statement makes no sense.? As far as the 10 commandments they are sealed in every Christian heart...! What did Paul preach that was in contrast to my comment...?

[@chapmaned24]

@@faithhope7777 Actually, I'm not dismissing your point. The word, "AGAIN" is quite important in the phrase, "Born Again". The problem is, most Christians still do the NICODEMUS explanation of discussing a womb, which I see that you also fall victim to. Adam didn't come from a womb. But Adam fell. When he fell, what did he get? What did he lose? What do we call that? We call that LOST INNOCENCE, we call that SPIRITUAL DEATH, we call that the KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil. In everyone's time of life, there is a period of ignorance, known as INNOCENCE. No knowledge between good and evil. Those who know are spiritually dead. To be born again, now we are back to being spiritually resurrected from spiritual death. Hence 1 John 3:9. Bottom line... Abraham was considered RIGHTEOUS based on what? And when? The when was "BEFORE THE LAW", see Romans 5:13, 4:15. Is sleeping with your sister a huge huge serious sin under the law of Moses? You bet it is. But God ignored that, and gave bro/sis a blessed promised inbred called Isaac. So tell me about this born again thing and womb thing?

[@charlesfiorucci6068]

Gal 1-6-8 another gospel

[@medusa210562]

I am adventist. We are saved by Grace alone. Our works and our FAITH have no merits as they will never be perfect. But as we don't believe once saved always saved. We have to trust (faith) and OVERCOME DAILEY. We believe in saved by faith.

[@LoCoWi]

@medusa. EGW teaches salvation by sabbath keeping.

[@PachiMo8]

​@@LoCoWiEllen G white or Jesus or his scriptures??? It seems people dont read the Bible

[@LoCoWi]

​@@PachiMo8 what are you asking exactly? I made a simple claim that EGW taught salvation by sabbath keeping.

[@PachiMo8]

@@LoCoWi funny you said . Bc the Sabbath is not an EW doctrine but its jn the Bible

[@RichardWane-p3r]

The purpose of keeping the 4 commandment in the old testament(see Deuteronomy 5:15)was to remember God redeeming the Israelites from slavery in Egypt.So are you one of those but still alive? Definitely you are undermining the grace you pronounce that you believe.

[@christclinger6540]

Until folks understand the sovereignty of God there will always be bad theology that lead to different cults. So much misinterpretation of scripture comes from thinking God is not in complete control.

[@prebensvensson3078]

But how about the false Sabbath SUN-day.....???....

[@charlesfiorucci6068]

You must be born again john3-3

[@johnhughes738]

I love the way the defend the Sabbath but they worship that Ellen g White woman I was going to join one until they were obsessed with a woman that blows my mind but I still love the people sorry guys

[@johntrevett2944]

Doesn't this channel teach born again believers can lose salvation? Ironic that a channel/person that rejects the biblical way of of salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone is exposing cults. Both false and the broad way to destruction.

[@Tsaunders1307]

I mean, you can make a claim that it is biblical.

[@iThinkBiblically]

We can lose our salvation if we do not continue to believe. So, unless you think faith is a work you cannot say my position is inconsistent with salvation by grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone. The moment you say that continuing in faith is a work you become a heretic.

[@johntrevett2944]

@@iThinkBiblically That is false according to scripture. First John directly addresses the issue of professing believers who seem to become unbelievers. Some false teachers, who had appeared to be true believers at one time, were troubling the church. First John 2:19 explains, “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.” Although those who departed the faith had appeared to be genuine, John makes it clear that they had never actually been “of us”; one of the marks of a believer is that he “continues with us.” People may be able to “fake it” for a while, but they cannot sustain the part forever. The truth will eventually outlast their fakery. First John 3:9 says, “No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.” A genuine believer is kept from falling into continuous sin because he has been born of God-God keeps him safe. A true believer may fall into disobedience and struggle with doubt, but a true believer will never renounce Christ. A person who has renounced Christ by his words or deeds has not lost salvation; rather, he is demonstrating that he never had genuine faith. A genuine believer can never become an unbeliever because he or she has been born again by the Spirit of God. It is not one’s faith that keeps one safe but the power of God that enables continual faith.

[@melindastewart1345]

Thank you for this video! I’ve often wondered about them, nice to know the truth! ✝️

[@wilsonsmanz]

He doesn't know the truth

[@balung]

​@@wilsonsmanzAdventist?

[@aaronwood1846]

If you've wondered about them....why not go to their church and see for yourself.

[@wilsonsmanz]

@@balung Yes

[@PrairieChristianOutreach]

My wife and I chose the Adventist church over the evangelical churches in our community. We still share the gospel together and minister together, but we both agree that the Adventist church had a stronger Biblical understanding of numerous topics and its members were very loving and Christ like.

[@LoCoWi]

Caleb, I really hope you've done serious home work on these guys. SDA is 100% cult.

[@wilsonsmanz]

It's really funny to me how you believe SDAs teach a works based Salvation and no SDA believes that.

[@Jaco3688]

Question: • Can you get to heaven if you don’t practice “keeping the sabbath”? • Must you accept Ellen White as an infallible prophet - and her Health Laws as authoritative - equal to Scripture? These are Fundamental Beliefs #18 and #24. Works, necessary for salvation.

[@scottholder7375]

​@@Jaco3688The man is simply getting confused with justification and sanctification and mixing the two together.

[@wilsonsmanz]

@@Jaco3688 Sabbath Breaking is a sin just like lying and stealing. A lifestyle of sin and refusing to give up any particular sin keeps you out of heaven regardless of what that sin is. To your second question no. Most Adventist I know including myself don't follow all her health counsels.

[@nonconformist4802]

@@wilsonsmanz _" Sabbath Breaking is a sin just like lying and stealing"_ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Do you have any scriptures that demanded Christians to keep the sabbath and the penalty for it if they don't? _"Most Adventist I know including myself don't follow all her health counsels."_ Yeah, and you also don't believe in the authority of the Bible either. Adventist review January 3 2020 "We does not argue that only the Bible should be used for informing one's life. No, the Bible is just one of many sources." it was also published in Ministry Magazine December 2000 pg 5

[@Jaco3688]

@@wilsonsmanz (This isn’t just to “needle” you), but she held the Health Reform rules of 1864 to be on a par with inspired scripture. Is drinking and coffee and tea going to keep you out of heaven (as she directed)? Is the “Vital Force” force doctrine something which can be relied on today?

[@thetower8553]

Guess the bible forgot to mention the day of the Lord would be a local event

[@jamescarter5041]

What do you mean?

[@thetower8553]

@@jamescarter5041 I was referring to that bit at the end about the meteor shower that only occurred in America

[@flyingkiwicjk]

As a former SDA preacher I can say definitively salvation is by grace alone not works. Apart from some misguided prophetic notions, which are present in almost ALL denominations, Ellen White loved Jesus as her Saviour. SDA are no more a cult than Baptist or evangelical denominations who believe in mythical raptures, millennial kingdoms etc.. Any one who believe in the writings of Hal Lindsay for instance, must then also be considered cultish.

[@scottholder7375]

Right on brother, and I can't see why so many are cutting down the SDA church when they're the only ones that will be able to guide them through this mess that's coming up ahead, and the mark of the beast, and the the false doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church.

[@flyingkiwicjk]

@@scottholder7375 I agree with some of SDA eschatology, but certainly not all.

[@charnelallan7159]

DOES HAL LINDSAY TEACH THAT CHRIST ATONEMENT WASNT COMPLÈTED AT CALVARY ? OR U WILL BE JUDGED BY THE DÉCALOGUE OR OTHER DÉNOMINATIONS R DAUGHTERS OF BABYLON AND APOSTATE ?

[@charnelallan7159]

ELLEN STATED IN HER FIRST CLASS TICKET TO CHRIST CRUCIFIXION THROUGH FIERCE TEMPTATION SATAN WRUNG THE HEART OF CHRIST HE COULD NOT SEE THROUGH THE PORTAL THAT HIS SACRIFICE FOR HUMANITY WAS ENOUGH. REALLY EX SDA PASTOR? U LIE

[@cashless76]

Maybe this video could have came along after ur live discussion then decided rather than a shallow hit job. In the end ultimately it’s between u n God

[@iThinkBiblically]

I think it sets the tone for the discussion. If I did it afterwards you would just cry about it then too.

[@cashless76]

@@iThinkBiblically Then why have the discussion at all then You’re convicted too I only heard justification by faith only Sanctification is necessary

[@rachellep537]

People really feel themselves trying to call others a cult . You’re so high and mighty . Jesus forgive them for they know not what they do.

[@charnelallan7159]

YET U CALL OTHER DÉNOMINATIONS DAUGHTERS OF BABYLON AND APOSTATE CLAIMING UR THE REMNANT? WHY THE HYPOCRISY ?

[@charnelallan7159]

YET U CALL OTHER DÉNOMINATIONS DAUGHTERS OF BABYLON AND APOSTATES ? SUCH HYPOCRISY

[@rvaillant]

The Adventists are light years ahead of anyone else and is why many fail to understand it. A classic case in point is your ignorance that while we are saved by grace, we are judged by our works. Why? Because the works show whether our conversion is real. Just like Noah building the ark proves his faith was real. "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." Revelation 22:12. "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:21-23. And many more such passages if one does a study. Matt. 16:27, John 5:29, Rom. 2:6,13, II Cor. 5:10, Gal. 6:7, James 2:21, Rev. 20:12,13 This is what Ellen was talking about that you confuse as a works based salvation. She is saying we are saved by faith, but that born again experience will cause us to do all within our power to cooperate with God. Just like Noah did everything in his power to build the ark. The Adventists go DEEP and connect dots that most pass by. They really are light years ahead of everyone else and the best guide for the salvation of our souls.

[@mr.b2107]

No way, Ellen White and others deviated from the simplicity of the scriptures and hold there followers in some bondage like we were warned against in the Bible and the new testament!

[@AdventDefenseLeague]

Hi Caleb. On our channel we have made multiple video responses to some of your contents regarding SDA beliefs. Have you seen them?

[@terrygreenman1540]

Respond but non the less. Please understand that Seventh-day Adventism is a business, an organized religion, not Biblical Christianity. Satan is a master con-artist, a deceiver, whom the Bible warns appears as an angel of light (2nd Corinthians 11:13-15). Literally, the Devil and his sinister ministers are actors, pretending to be of God, but they are satanic. We are all in a spiritual war. SDA does its best to appear as a Christian organization, but it is a woeful deception of the Devil. "I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God than dwell in the tents of Adventism." Psalm 84:10 NIV (with apology for changing one word). Respond all you wish, it is just a waste of your time.

[@LoCoWi]

@AdventDefenseLeague Yeah yeah yeah

[@charnelallan7159]

EDWIN U BLOCKED ME? WHY? IS IT BECAUSE I SEE UR INCONSISTENCY IN UR SOCALLED REBUTTAL OF UR CRITICS?

[@charnelallan7159]

EDWIN AND JASON AND THE CONCORDANCE. WONT CUT IT U PROOFTEXT APOLOGETICS UR WAY THROUGH SCRIPTURES EVEN WWHEN UR PROVEN WRONG

[@charnelallan7159]

A PODCAST MAIN AIM TO PROVIDE PROOFTEXT APOLOGETICS FOR WHAT U BELIEV.E AND NOT SPREADING THE GOSPEL IS A RED FLAG. U PROMOTE UR DOCTRINES AND NOT THE GOSPEL

[@kaloyanivanov2801]

Of course Women's no bra! Vinegar drinking! Moses was resurrected! No coffee! Things goes on and on...

[@jeffpaton9667]

Well, Jesus and the Bible says that we will be judged by our works, and you have nothing but a cult doctrine that we will be judged by our faith.

[@balung]

What chapter / verse re: "we will be judged by our works."

[@ANDY-h6m]

The Bible says that salvation is by faith and not works, so that no man may boast.

[@SGOV86]

As far as I know the bible teaches that the people whos name are not written in the book of life will be judged by their works

[@jeffpaton9667]

@@ANDY-h6m And verse 10 says, "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." Scripture is plain and clear that we will be judged by our works and not by our faith. Jesus said in John 15:4-6, "Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine: no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: For without me ye can do nothing." Salvation and fruit bearing are inseparable; you cannot have one without the other. If we are saved, we must bear fruit because we are in the vine. If we do not produce good works, it is only evidence that we are not one of His!

[@jeffpaton9667]

@@SGOV86 apparently your "Bible" does not have the word "all."

[@robbiebob6267]

Indeed It's a cult.... by a long shot!.