Is the Springfield Echelon better than Glock? | Echelon vs Glock 45

[@corvetteman0714]

I’m a Glock guy, own both, the Echelon is the better gun. It’s just simple physics.

[@jdontcare8520]

I would take the Echelon over the Glock. It's just a more complete gun out of the box.

[@isaiahvasquez4850]

I own both and pick my springfield over the glock most days

[@setunedouche]

Ditto

[@POPJack1717]

Same.

[@roncrouch4090]

Now that Safariland has finally got a left handed duty holster for the Echelon, my Glock sits in the safe.

[@NoirFoxxZ]

The Echelon is a phenomenal pistol considering it's price, design, modularity and structure. It's surprisingly in my top 5 favorite guns I own. Not based off of it's soul performance. But all of the prior mentioned and more. It's balance, flat shooting and functionality is fantastic. I will say from owning it since it launched. At first I hated the ambidextrous safety as I felt at the time I got in the way and was uncomfortable. Though after a couple weeks. I got used to to, even thinking of shaving the one side down. Glad I didn't. The Slides design and grip points are personally from my bias. One of the best I've ever used. If I could take the design and put it on many other pistols I would. I've never had better purchase than the slide cuts from the Echelon. If I may compare it to my baby... SIG P320 Spectre Tacops. I would say the Echelon is the most similar to that. It obviously does not perform nowhere near as good. But again, for what the Echelon is. It's surprising how good it is out of the box. Plus, let's be honest. Look at it. She's gorgeous in my opinion.

[@POPJack1717]

As an Echelon and Glock owner, yes, the Echelon is better than the Glock in literally every category. To choose thr Glock over the Echelon is definitely fanboy activities.

[@DaveF-m6n]

Spoken like a true fanboy.

[@cobalt2010lt]

Exactly. All echelon guys act like it was delivered down from the heavens.

[@gansior4744]

Reason to get a 17 instead of 19 or 45, is the length of the recoil spring and the mass of the slide makes for the (imo) best shooting handgun. Well broken in Glock trumps any Sig, CZ or H&K when it comes to shootability. Echelon seems to be improving on every aspwct of the glock that needed improvement, while leaving the features Glocks are known for. Really hope this gun gets the praise it deserves

[@gtmike916]

Spoken like someone who never shot a Shadow 2, P-10, P226, P229, CZ-75, M&P 2.0, or anything not a Glock. I like Glocks but they aren’t all that out of the box at all. Also the difference between a Glock 45 and a Glock 17 is hella negligible.

[@michaelhoscheit7836]

Ubiquitous , that being said, good comparison video. I have a 45 and I’m not replacing/duplicating an entire system just because SA made a good option.

[@Patriotairacundo]

Echelon all the way, glock is overrated

[@michaelfusco7446]

Excellent content, I appreciated the comprehensive review and comparison. I will probably own both of these guns soon but have been flipping a coin between them up until now

[@richardambrose2831]

You get more value out of the echelon out the box. You should always pick what you’re most comfortable with as a shooter and the amount you train with whatever platform is key. I’m personally taking the echelon, I own it and it shoots very flat.

[@Gunguy67]

I own both, and I’m torn. I love my Glock and carry it most days, but the Echelon is great. I just feel more comfortable with my Glock; it’s just never let me down. Maybe after a few more years and thousands of rounds, I’ll feel the same way about the Echelon.

[@javierbujan16]

So the echelon is a better gun but you like Glock

[@ricardomiles6826]

Basically lol

[@BlackSuperman643]

Typical bias review

[@50shadesofgrenades]

Typical Glock fan loyal to the grave for no particular reason

[@POPJack1717]

Basically, yes.

[@writingonthewalls9052]

Which is 100% valid. Staccato is a better gun than Glock, but I prefer to shoot Glocks over staccatos because that’s the gun my performance and consistency is based around. Can I still shoot a staccato well? Well of course. It’s a better gun But I prefer glock. “Better” doesn’t always mean “better for you”

[@asapkoolie6903]

Im glad u straight to the point but still touching on topics that need to be said good video

[@cognition26]

Anyone who shoots both knows the Springfield is just a better Glock.

[@Youngblood_actual]

$50-70 for a mag extension or $20 for a 21rd pmag. Ubiquitous not unanimous lol.

[@fucore85]

As a lefty, Echelon all day! Never the Block.

[@Asidebar]

Echelon is perfection

[@LeetheOG89b]

I can always appreciate Glock, but i used to have this one friend who would flash his Glock around everywhere whenever he had guest over, i guess he wants people to think hes cool. So that really ruined Glock for me. I ended up buying an Echelon 😊 and i think that if youve seen 1 Glock, you've seen em all

[@Osprey1994]

Interesting. I would find it difficult to associate an item with a person like that, but all that matters is that the Echelon works for you.

[@LeetheOG89b]

@Osprey1994 Glock ergonomics are great with an amazing track record for sure, I guess it was a psychological effect seeing that type of behavior from a Glock owner, made me feel kinda disgusted. Although I am currently working on an aftermarket Glock build atm 😊

[@MaxMustermann-bq1kl]

That will be the case, but if you have small hands, the Glock sucks, but you've had it in your hand. For me, the Echelon is perfect in the hand and can absorb recoil better. Perfect for me personally.

[@DaveF-m6n]

We’re so glad for you.

[@bigcurtis99]

I have both guns, love both

[@joesnodgrass608]

The Echelon Magazine you are holding at 1:15 is a 20-round magazine. It is important to note that only the 20-round magazines feature the extended base.

[@breeze7863]

So listen again dude, he says it's a 17 round mag, with the baseplate makes it 20.

[@joesnodgrass608]

​@@breeze7863 "If you want to have two fifteen round mags, you can do that. If you want to have two seventeen round mags, you can also do that too" Well... Out of box I can't. I live in a state that is supportive of 2A rights. Straight after release, my Echelon came with one seventeen-round magazine, one twenty-round magazine, and an additional base plate, which allows for a total of two twenty-round magazines. If you possess a fifteen-round Echelon magazine out of box, congrats! It's a seventeen with a free plug.

[@xXI0000IXx]

Both are good and i have to agree about the glock the aftermarket is huge and the echelon is till not a joke its a great pistol

[@jarwins649]

I dont own either, but i do like the idea of the echelon being just the trigger group. Currently happy with my carry gun and am Currently spending my gun money on upgrading my ar pistol, but if i found myself saving for a handgun again my sights will start at the echelon.

[@riaanbooysen6934]

45 is boss

[@JeffG-x2q]

Short answer, yes Long answer, yeeeeeessssss

[@andrewsalas9124]

I want to see the echelon vs the sw mp 2.0

[@dewaynerowe9493]

M&p 2.0 next level

[@jefferybrown1806]

Granted the Glock is a time tested performer, the Echelon raises the bar in all other catergories. That's why I bought one about 9 months ago. Absolutely zero regrets.

[@markevans658]

17>45. Barrel length is always a bennefit. You get extra velocity and a better recoil impulse. Concealing barrel length isn’t an issue, concealing the grip is. If you’re going for a full size grip, get a full size barrel.

[@NateBiggsby]

The reason ppl love Glock is the aftermarket support. Ppl put their personality into the Glock. After my upgrades I’ll take my Glock 45 Gen 5 any day. Plus I like to customize so out of the box yeah the Springfield but there’s nothing like a Glock. 💯

[@NateBiggsby]

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[@AJohnSmith]

Glonk.

[@brucehill1220]

If we could get a compact echelon and a trigger with a more positive reset I would sell all my P320’s

[@Okietactical]

I bought one of your universal comps for my psa dagger and it works great.😎👍🏼 I need to get one of the psa dagger comps at some point .

[@Styxx2018]

🤙🤙🤙 I'll take both, please! 🙏

[@Pedroaramburo]

6:00 I do not like ambi mag releases if its on something I carry or on my nightstand. It's just another failure point if things get bad. Being able to change sides on it is more than fine.

[@Pedroaramburo]

but id still 100 percent pick the Echelon.

[@justjsse8917]

I like the echelon better. Reliability isn't an issue with either. Only thing better with glock is more holster options

[@DaveF-m6n]

How to say you know next to nothing about Glock.

[@delb15]

...17rd a 20 plus a base pad that can be added to the 17 to make another 20 that some get 21 into..i never tried it

[@biblicalearther2431]

Great video, but the best feature if the glock is you "have to" upgrade it.... haha Oh glock just make an awesome gun out the gate. Also, all springfield needs is a little more time until the aftermarket catches up. The echelon is by far superior in every way.

Don't know why all manufacturers don't at least stipple a spot for your thumb to rest and/or add a mild gas pedal.

[@zacharync3066]

The echelon to me just seems like a refined Glock. I own a 45 and an echelon and I love the echelon a lot more. Both are great though.

[@biblicalearther2431]

By the way, I mean it. Great video.

[@paulfragoso7006]

It’s actually 17rd to 20rd mag

[@BIGJAKE-sq4ds]

Just started watching but Time will tell. Glock has the credentials to back up the talk that its better. The echelon definitely seems to be designed better and has more flexibility with the trigger group going forward.

[@IVORYPaultx]

To make a Glock usable, you need to upgrade the sights and trigger. Whereas the Echelon is great out of the box.

[@Osprey1994]

Every time I hear someone say this, it's from someone who doesn't train and can't shoot. I shot Glock for 3 years before moving to a P365XL and experimenting with other pistols like the P10F, PDP, and even a 2011 that I use for competition. The conclusion I came to, is that Glock is perfectly fine out of the box, and I can absolutely make consistent hits at 50yds with one, especially with a dot. Plenty of bad guys have also bitten the dust to a stock Glock with stock sights and triggers. It's definitely useable at base.

[@WilsonBrey]

You absolutely don’t bro. That’s just something people say to make Glock seem unusable out of the box. The trigger and sights while aren’t the quote unquote “greatest” they absolutely work just fine and don’t have to be changed. I keep all my Glock triggers stock. The gen 5s really aren’t bad.

[@DaveF-m6n]

Mine shoots just fine. Maybe you just can’t shoot.

[@LARRYDOVER-cs4uq]

Brondo , it’s what plants crave

[@HKGunPlay]

I can show you how to remove take up out of Glock trigger. It’s pretty easily done. Still reliable and safe.

[@HKGunPlay]

Take up and better reset. I have a few shorts showing the difference but not what I did to make it happen for liability reasons but I would be willing to make an educational only video showing it

[@johnjakejoebob9465]

Would love to see more guns on the ransom rest. Just curious on micro compacts, compacts, and full size. Does the pdp flip more than others. M&p vs Glock

[@believein1]

Hey man, new to firearms just wanted to ask what you mean by the term “hot spot” on the grip, and is it just areas that the ergonomics are off?

[@epps1217]

Thank goodness we have Glocks to compare every new firearm against.

[@raffieb762]

I have g45 and sxd, the plastic mags on the glock always gets stuck and have to do the flick, this does not happen on xd steel mags, my only gripe

[@harryw_2023]

I love how people say Glock is more reliable. Anyone that has worked at a shooting range for a few years can tell you they’ve seen Glocks fail more times than they can count. Glock has age, aftermarket support and owners numbers in their favor and that’s it. And that’s the only argument that all these “reviewers” can make to justify that the Glock is better than any other quality handgun on the market today. Glock would be laughed at if they started making guns today.

[@DaveF-m6n]

Nice line of bullshit. Sell it to yourself. Glock reliability is proven, hater. Glocks are carried and relied upon by more people than you can count, including LEO and current and ex-military.

[@dustyd6617]

Let me know when you start seeing professionals carrying an Echelon. 😉

[@UpnoDowns]

Soooo should I just get the echelon comp version then !? Then it’s integrated and there’s no added length .

[@johnnyc8065]

Yes

[@traviexo35]

Is so fun watch all kind of videos talking how Glock is better than others gun but the reality is that Glock one way or another way pay for good reviews and this guys just applause Glock for something in changed.

[@cobalt2010lt]

The hype for echelon is a little too much for me. Killed any chance of me even remotely wanting one. 6.5 creed of pistol world. I’m Good.

[@TheodoreGrande_8282]

How about the exploding mags?

[@Joecabal]

Exploding mags, it’s because they didn’t install the base plate correctly, Ive gone through 500rnds and the mags ran flawlessly.

[@tipsovr2626]

So you made a ton of positive points for the Echelon, didn't make many about the Glock, named some detractors for the Glock but still say the Glock is the one? You perform better with the Block because you have a lot more experience with that platform apparently. Give the same amount of time with the Echelon and I'd bet you find yourself in a better position that you would with the Block. Maybe its just me, but I am sick of Glocks. I know they are ultra reliable and durable but Glock has ZERO innovation. Glock doesn't offer anything new except to put an existing slide onto a different frame and call it a new gun. You can only live off that practice for so long.

[@stewpidaso26]

what "innovation" do you need though? if it works why change? people talk about this with vehicles and "the good ole days" when stuff just worked and worked for a long time. but when it comes to a gun the company needs to innovate? i have an echelon and glocks, i like them both and one thing i like about glock is the lack of innovating something that works. yeah, theyre boring, but does that really matter if it ever comes time to use it to save your life?

[@DaveF-m6n]

It is just you. Glock rocks, you don’t. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@The_Draque]

why do people still buy Glocks? Echelon, CZ P10, M&P 2.0, FN 509, Sig P320, VP9, PdP, Shadow systems...seems like in 2024 nearly every gun company makes a better polymer striker fired than Glocks.

[@edstringer1138]

Glocks are sub par , not even clise

[@Castigar48]

I dont own guns made in croatia with a defunct American brand name

[@DCollins-qg5pb]

I paid $379 for my Glock 45 Gen 5 😅

[@mattnikirobidou]

Glock ergonomics better is im sorry, laughable.

[@brandonkey181]

its true man. the slide and manage release feel automatic

[@andrewsalas9124]

I really like the Glock ergonomics as well depend on the person

[@HKGunPlay]

It’s personal preference. I prefer Glock ergos.

[@AJohnSmith]

It’s bc it’s wider in the palm. Thin pistols suck for big palms and long fingers.

[@corvetteman0714]

Springfield has better ergos. I own both, and I’m. Glock guy.

[@oleboy7615]

The Echelon is a nice pistol that I like, but it’s not any better than the Glock. There are a lot of great offerings today b/c of the Glock, but none of them are better than the Glock. Unless a pistol does what one is designed to do better, then it isn’t better. Preferred, maybe, but not better.

[@dava1176]

The amount of glock bias is crazy. The echelon is reliable Walther hk and many other gun brands are reliable saying glock reliability as if its got the market cornered on that is dumb. No person in their right mind would say Glock has better ergos. The echelon is objectively better than the Glock in literally every category except after market stuff but the echelon doesn’t really need anything to upgrade. Cope harder Glock boys.

[@DaveF-m6n]

We’re not worried. Maybe someday you can step up to Glock. You’re not quite ready.

[@andershilmo1866]

The hardcore Glock guys don’t want to change they will likely in another 7-10 yrs be like the 1911 only guys of today. It’s fine if you’re used to shooting only Glocks it does take some doing to shoot other platforms most of them want to stick with there tried and true. Which is fine. I shoot all the platforms and don’t carry a Glock but that’s me. You can build a better clone these days for less with many more features these days. That’s probably the way to go. You usually don’t have to deal with the Glock hump either. If I had a few thousand in Glocks and holsters I might not want to change either.

[@JG24_08]

Croats make better guns than the Austrians now? What influencers will do the collective thinking of the masses.

[@ggrandcz]

Ambidextrous mag release is not better solution. It often leads to unintended release in holster. That is why PDs change mag release with single sided solution. Backstraps on Echelon are not better than on Glock - on Glock you change trigger reach, on Echelon you change more grip angle than anything else. Attachment system on Echelon is way better. I also have problem with grip so I hope new Large grip will better fill my hand. We have to have different Echelons because trigger reset is nearly without tactile feedback doing dryfiring (when shooting it is without feedback) and return spring is weak than on Glock.

[@NoirFoxxZ]

You must be a Glock fanboy. Which, there is nothing wrong with as long as you don't push your bias and dispel false information. I cannot tell you how many rounds I've shot over the years. Probably 80,000+ But I or nobody I personally know accidently hits an ambidextrous mag release. Don't put that out into the world when it's simply untrue. Perhaps you do so, due to your extreme lack of correct grip. Regardless, I'm not here to mock you. I just hate it when people put out false information. It's simply cancerous. Backstraps on the Echelon are much greater in every caliber. The provide the shooter with any level of grip they need to suit their hands. Combining that with the different sized modular grips (Small, Med, Large). You can't go wrong. The trigger for as most guns go is also extremely well polished. Being one of the better out there are the markets. It's tactile and very audible. Lastly, I don't know what you're on about when you speak of the spring. Glocks for the most part don't have the strongest springs. The Echelon outperforms in this area also. It's a shame you felt the need to simply start typing without actually acknowledging your own bias. Brother, love what you love and let nobody tell you otherwise. But, DO NOT hate on something else that simply does better. This is one of the many things wrong with this world. Have a good day. Spread positivity.

[@ggrandcz]

@foxxy_z How stupid you must be to do not understand that when I talk about mag release in holster, it is not about shooting. How many months did you serve with Echelon in OWB? How many mm of trigger reach do included backstraps change? Btw I own about 3 SA pistols, only 2 Glocks. So I have comparison.

[@Mr1MOA]

Yes...........Yes the Echelon is a better gun........Glock keeps trying to milk the Cow and are loosing ground to many other manufacturers that are coming out with more innovative, more ergonomic, and overall better handguns. Yes, Glocks are reliable...............ok so are others, Glock cannot continue to be a 1 trick pony if it wants to be remain competitive.

[@defilade1066]

Better than Glock?? Every modern pistol today is better!

[@POPJack1717]

Facts.

[@DaveF-m6n]

BS. Better how?

[@Osprey1994]

Gen 5 G45 MOS's new are going to be about 620, but you can obviously find a G45 for less used whether by some other shooter or an LE trade in. Then you can get the gun cut for an optic and still be around the 500 dollar price point. You might of course need to go buy more mags, but Glock mags are part of what makes the platform appealing, they are reliable, and cheap. PS. There are other guns with FCU's, but they didn't garner enough attention and nobody ended up offering support. It's good to see that the Echelon managed to actually catch enough of an audience that companies like Icarus saw value in spooling up production for the gun.

[@donchis1013]

Terrible review from a Glock fan Echelon all day is a better gun

[@DaveF-m6n]

Whatever. Far more experienced people than you say different.

[@andershilmo1866]

There is some leeway I believe. If you are in a duty scenario and everyone around you runs Glocks run a Glock. Unless they allow you to run something different. For your enthusiasts or a regular guy edc that is going to change the trigger, recontour and stipple the frame. Change sights just buy something that already has what you want.

[@anthonyreeder8283]

Glock is overrated for what you get for the price!

[@flyknuckle]

Getting an extremely proven, reliable and durable gun is overrated ?🤔

[@anthonyreeder8283]

@@flyknuckle compared to what you get in the box and just what’s coming out now. You are paying for the name at this point. And they are not ergonomic at all. A lot better choices out there now.

[@flyknuckle]

@ you may get more “stuff” in the box, but your not getting a better gun. Whatever is coming out now is not better than Glock it’s just a copy of Glock.

[@anthonyreeder8283]

@ Ok typical Glock fanboy there is nothing out there that compares!

[@flyknuckle]

@ typical Glock hater! I didn’t say nothing was comparable, I said nothing was better.

[@inurfaceson9722]

Ergos are better on the glock!!!!! You must joking.

[@MRChief-uh6el]

Own both I shoot my 45 better

[@WidlyScuds117]

gun

[@IVORYPaultx]

Glock is antiquated junk!

[@NotTheRunnerUp]

No

[@108pel]

Yawnnnn

[@ManuelBuenRostro-w7g]

They both mid 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@jdontcare8520]

I think the Echelon is excellent and Glocks are just great overall. What do you think the best polymer framed striker fired gun is?

[@delb15]

​@jdontcare8520 Yea the echelon so mid that it won it won gun of the year...gun kills most so I def wan hear his response

[@felisamassey31365]

Yes