Is This Bizarre Crash Proof of Motor-doping? Tour of Denmark 2021

[@ungave5698]

How about not calling it doping and instead calling it cheating

[@nonfictionone]

yeah it's pretty clear: riding a motorbike in a pushbike race.

[@ungave5698]

@@nonfictionone Lol yeah, just call it a motorbike, it's litetally a motorbike.

[@sasquatchrosefarts]

50,000 inspections. Zero positives. Only .positive , ever, was with infrared in a u-23 race...... They all use motors. Probably every big rider, in every race. There are even obvious "burn outs" where a rider doesn't pedal, but the rear tire throws up dirt......but no prosecution for it? If one world tour rider goes down for this, he squeals, and it becomes obvious the whole thing is staged ....identically to nascar and formula one. It's a literal circus on wheels. It has little to do with merit. As long as you climb to the top 100 euro riders and satisfy a market demographic, they will choose some races for you to win. Just like nfl. Every game is scripted and modified based on vegas betting odds, and finding a captivating story. Most of the revenue that comes in is from betting. I don't even believe pharma doping works, but it's just a part of the culture, and pharma sponsors riders....... - but electric motors do make you faster. And the motors are used everywhere. A wireless activated hub motor would only require a button under the bar tape.....and a wheel swap.......and give say, fifty watts for twenty minutes. More than enough to decide a split in a race.

[@JB-uv4hm]

Yes the ‘motordoping’ is safk.

[@taotracy4431]

I think this topic is completely stupid and irrelevant and to bring LA into it is such a baseless conspiracy I cant even begin to understand what kind of Big Foot chasing simpleton goes in for this senseless drivel

[@hanstabaranza861]

UCI is too busy measuring sock height

[@letsssgooo4618]

It’s pretty obvious when these teams are switching bikes half a dozen times for one stage

[@mikes417]

Just can't seem to get those small batteries to last

[@michaelangelos5117]

I've been in over 400 bicycle races and I figure I've seen about two to three crashes per race with one or more racers involved. Maybe a thousand crashes in my career . And I've seen bicycles fly across the road in every kind of manner.. NEVER have I seen a bike do that. It's like a scared chicken running away.

[@jasonstewart9919]

1000% - this notion of "wind" or "stored kinetic energy" is absolute comedy

[@bradtowne2305]

@@jasonstewart9919 I have been in a fair number of crashes from races, and if a bike skids further beyond the rider, it does not have that flywheel effect at all, much less "speed-up" like that. I am convinced between this, and other videos, that we are in a era of mechanical doping, and the UCI has kind of let the ship sail on this one to the point, it does NOT want this to be ever uncovered, as it could legitimately kill the sport. If the UCI ever tries to end this, I am guessing they will announce much stricter testing and testing tech to start in a future race calendar year to give teams the ability to ditch these e-bikes.

[@JB-uv4hm]

Look at the corn. It’s not windy enough to move a bike. Plus they’d be echeloned out the other way.

[@roberthanks1636]

That accident wasn't caused by the wind.

[@attybong]

no need for debate, race officials only have to pickup the bike, remove its components and see if there is moto inside the frame .. controversy solved

[@isitrachelorj3953]

These are the same race officials who cracked down on all the dopers. They have zero interest in finding or revealing the cheating in today's peloton.

[@kenkaniff8428]

no pro cyclist is going to let sone UCI hack touch their bike let alone take it apart!! thats why they use the sensors but they only do random checks so its not looked for enough!!

[@attybong]

@@kenkaniff8428 of course not before a race or a crash .. but the uci could surely provide such rule only in the event of a crash, in the same way that they provided such innocuous rules against aerotuck positions, wearing of high socks and throwing of empty bidons .. lol !!

[@kenkaniff8428]

@@attybong good luck having ANY pro rider letting a UCI hack take apart their bike!!! even AFTER a stage with a crash. thats just too much to ask of the peloton in my opinion. pro riiders aren't letting these UCI hacks even TOUCH their $17,000 machine!

[@attybong]

@@kenkaniff8428 do you know what you are saying? removing components from the bike does not ruin the bike, in the same way that you do not destroy a bike by removing its head set, bottom bracket or group set for purposes of degreasing, re-lubing and maintenance .. they did that to contador's bike after one stage at the giro .. uci pulled his bike's bottom bracket out only to find nothing ..

[@00bmx1]

wind? the 5000 corn plants or whatever weren't moving even a little bit.

[@williamoleary9330]

Why are bikes used not inspected before and after each Stage or Race???

[@albangautier9245]

I agree! It should be simple to inspect all bikes of the top 10 finishers of every stages plus all bikes replaced during the race. Not complicated, easy to execute, so why isn’t it happening ?

[@kongmik]

Properly because its part of the race = money.

[@KLENCH101]

Humanity is rotten with lies.

[@gidojanssen]

They change the bike during the race. They start with a normal bike and end with a normal bike. During the race they switch to electric. That bike is not investigated.

[@SilvaaFabio]

Ive seen this happen when the all the doping craze was still going really strong some years ago. I was in the front of the pack in a local race and then a crash happened, turns out one of the bikes went from one side of the road to the other almost like someone was still pedalling on it, I didnt see it but the race was immediatly stoped because the back of the group that saw that immediatly started complaining and we had already gone through some climbs so we were about 25 on that pack and the testosterone was all over the air. The organizers took that bike with them and the dude couldnt even continue because he got seriously injured so everything good and a cheater got justice right? Wrong, that bycicle wasnt modified, and that magic act actually happened.

[@secretagent86]

thank you for sharing this

[@drewd9985]

Thanks for the anecdote about your personal experience of this phenomena.

[@GeoStreber]

I think it's just the tire making contact with the road a bit, and if it's still spinning at full speed it's enough to fling the lightweight bikes around a bit.

[@Advcrazy]

@@GeoStrebermy thoughts too.

[@Nordic_Scandinavia]

Thank you for sharing this story

[@misspollyanna]

Wind is coming from the right - obviously by the peloton formation. So we can rule out that theory.

[@JoeStranzl]

Plus corn doesn't seem to be swaying.

[@kenkaniff8428]

@@JoeStranzl thats what i was just going to say also. wind doesn't seem to be the issue here at all.

[@DolleHengst]

If the wind was strong enough to blow a bicycle across the road, then surely the event would have been cancelled/postponed due to safety concerns.

[@misspollyanna]

@@DolleHengst Exactly.

[@carlholland3819]

after the 2nd rider high sided, the 1st bike bounced low a couple times then bounced high and nearly stood itself up. 100% motor in it

[@patrickj4747]

What i want to know is - do the spinning wheels, which are what appears to be propelling the bike across the road, have enough mass to give that kind of flywheel effect? Wheel are quite light. Wouldn't they quickly lose energy pushing the bike across the road?

[@secretagent86]

i have been in a fair share of bike crashes when i raced. my answer is NO way. the wheels just stop spinning quickly. never seen anything like this, but maybe there was something on the road to redirect the energy sideways instead of forward. super unusual, so of course it is natural to wonder.

[@epincion]

@@secretagent86 60 km per hour is pretty fast with a lot of kinetic energy

[@Andre-kc9di]

@@epincion the kinetic energy and inertia would send the bike forward no way has a free spinning wheel got the energy to drive the bike side ways with that much force plus the force required to overcome the initial inertia, cyclings a joke full of cheats

[@kenkaniff8428]

@@secretagent86 i agree with you 100%

[@kenkaniff8428]

@@Andre-kc9di you are spot on with that point you made. it looks suspect as hell to me!!

[@texwallis]

It seems it would be trivial to try and reproduce. Spin a rear wheel up to 50kph and lay it down like that. Anyway, visions of Ryder Hesjedal for sure.

[@brecht1043]

The problem is that it's not only about the wheel... Moment of inertia (mass x velocity = constant) and conservation of energy (Kinetic energy + Potential energy = constant) are most important and so is the wind which you sadly can't measure anymore. The friction between the tire and the asphalt is maybe the only thing you can measure but still that is different with other conditions. So to be honest I am pretty sure that you can't really do anything to test if it's true. The only thing that can check for sure if there was a motor inside the bike was the UCI at that moment.

[@EMC2AlbertJans]

You can clearly see the bike which is flung accross the road has propulsion on the rear wheel therefore making it turn in a right handed circle

[@peterliljebladh]

Did the wheel continue to spinn for several minutes after the crash due to the motor being left on?

[@JTMarlin8]

Turns out there was a hamster in there.

[@maryc2091]

I 💯 per believe lance used motors during his TDF victories. Go back and look at all the old footage of his time trial victories. He always reaches back to pinch the top of the pad in his shorts with his left hand. Even the late Paul Sherwen made a comment about it during the beginning of lances 2005 prologue ride. He referenced to "lances strange nervous habit of always reaching back to grab his shorts". Look it up. I believe the remote was hidden in the pad if his shorts.

[@ArnageLM]

Look it up and holy cow, that is strange!

[@sasquatchrosefarts]

Lugged steel frames can be glued together with resin, and sealed lead acid batteries can be installed during manufacturing. Dremel made a commercial electric eraser in 1932. That configuration would fit in a rear hub or bottom bracket. I think motor doping is a hundred years old.

[@alaefarmestatesllc]

Wasn’t he always grabbing under his seat?

[@keirfarnum6811]

Or he just didn’t like his shorts riding up in his crack. I could easily see those tight skinsuits doing that and there be a need to adjust it. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@chasemichealbrown]

Do you think Lance was the only one doping & using motors? Or, were the other big-$ team’s GC-men doing the same? Lance certainly cheated; but, only a sucker wouldn’t when all the Dutch, French & Italien teams were doping heavy before Lance even came over. It was cheat or go home to America & find a real job. Lance was just the best cheater in an era when all the contenders were doing the same…imho.

[@swites]

I crashed in that exact same way as the poor guy on the right. This time it was a big strong 80kg guy trying to dive for the grass verge after a few guys right in front of him went down. His bike skated right the way over the other side of the wet road on its side where I went to miss the crash. 99/100 I would have missed his bike by 5m's. Honestly I've never seen a bike do that ever before. Was absolutely unbelievable! I was in hospital for 5days and out from cycling for 5months with many broken bones.

[@joeshermer7220]

Right, that's what can cause a very light bike to careen sideways into and across the road -- the rider pushing off to dive away from the road. No indication of a motor. If I pushed off the rider to my right (I wouldn't) and he didn't resist I could make his 150 pound body move a few feet into the road, so obviously I could make my 12 pound bike fly across the road.

[@johnandrews3568]

Reminds me of when Ryder when down at the giro. My wheels are light and have ceramic bearings and when I've gone down my rear wheel has never careened my bike across the road even remotely like that.

[@boois4853]

Not motordoping, the simulation glitched.

[@thecyclingdane]

😂😂😂😂

[@thecellulontriptometer4166]

I guess I don't understand at this point how this could be a controversy as race organizers should have been all over that rider inspecting the bike the moment other riders reported to their teams that something "weird" happened. I mean it can't be that hard to detect a battery and motor in a bike. Is it really that hard to detect?

[@silver_surfer88]

Yes it can be

[@McBeatha]

seems to me like if they looked they would of found it. so either they didn't look or they found nothing when they did

[@thecellulontriptometer4166]

I’m sure you’re right, but wonder which it was. I mean a video like this goes public, and it questions the integrity of the race. Wouldn’t the race organizers want to say what they did to restore trust?

[@iMadrid11]

Yes the UCI Commissaire can immediately scrutineer a suspected bike after a race like they do in motorsports racing. In F1 racing the cars are immediately inspected by scrutineers to detect if there was any illegal modification made. I remember at my local stock car racing circuit events there are creative ways to cheat the rules. Like the air intake tube size where the engine sucks in air is limited by regulations. A race team was caught by scrutineers using an illegal metal tube material that expands by a few millimeters due to high heat which gives them a slight marginal advantage in performance. But when the air intake tube limiter cools down to a cooler temperature, the size would shrink down in size to pass regulations.

[@McBeatha]

@@thecellulontriptometer4166 yes, I agree. I haven't seen any kind of statement though. Have you?

[@lukaserlt5824]

Judging by the way that the bike is moving, it appears to be either dragged around by the front wheel or spinning around the rear wheel. The first case seems unlikely to be caused by a motor since the wheel is actually going backwards. The second version also seems quite unlikely since a bike lying on its side hardly puts any pressure on the rear tyre. Also the cranks don't appear to be spinning as the bike is moving as far as I can tell from this footage. The most likely reason for me seems that the front wheel in its upright position does catch the wind in an unfortunate matter. Either way, the UCI should take the bike apart, if only to relieve fans from doubt.

[@justbreakingballs]

Wind lol.

[@lukaserlt5824]

@@justbreakingballs Idk footage seems too crappy to say there isn't any and the way the riders in that small group are arranged with no one on the far left suggests there might be a left to right crosswind, so it doesn't seem too unlikely to me. Also cornfields don't really react too much to wind.

[@justbreakingballs]

@@lukaserlt5824 yeh I used to hate it as a kid when you would put your bike down for just a second and you turned round and it had blown away. I never learnt. I’ve got some magic beans for sale if you are interested. Corn field don’t react to wind lol, well ok but neither do bikes.

[@lukaserlt5824]

@@justbreakingballs I mean you could just answer like a normal person and simply say you disagree and add why. If you thinkk it's not enough wind to move a bike, that's totally fine by me. My main point is just that the bike is moving in a really weird way for it to be caused by a motor. Also I did not say corn fields don't react at all, just less than many other field crops.

[@justbreakingballs]

@@lukaserlt5824 I’m sorry Lukas, my answering is born out of my disbelief of people mentioning wind blowing the bike. I’m not saying it had a motor, I’m saying wind wasn’t blowing that bike around and not trying to be nasty but don’t say that corn fields don’t react to wind as a possible factor in wind blowing that bike and expect me to take you serious. You should be working for Lance Armstrong PR department.

[@RustyTreeMan]

The green crops in the field are dead still. There’s no wind.

[@SaminHam]

The UCI should demand protour bikes be build with a small hole in the tube so inspectors can easily insert camera to ensure nothing is there. No need to rely on expensive sensing equipment

[@jonaslaurier]

Just take the saddle off

[@iMadrid11]

FLIR cameras can easily detect motor doping with its heat signature as shown in the video. There are lightweight handheld versions where a UCI Commissaire can be equipped to detect motor doping during a race.

[@SaminHam]

@@iMadrid11 I think that only works if the motor is engaged at that moment (or shortly after). The rider can flip the motor on and off so it’s not 100% effective.

[@iMadrid11]

@@SaminHam You only need to focus FLIR scanning on the climbing sections to detect motor doping. There's hardly any advantage to made using a motor on flat sections.

[@MrCollewet]

Motor could be hidden in pretty much any tube. And you could also have magnetic wheels aswell

[@MH_Bikes]

If a coach, team manager, or sponsor even mentioned it, I'd leave the team on the spot.

[@MrEMann]

Fair enough... But say that when you are being paid millions a year to ride. Funny how ethics can be bought.

[@grandpavanderhof]

If it is the wind, then why doesn't the pair of sunglasses that are clearly visible in the shot, move even slightly to the right. If the wind can blow a bike that's probably 15 pounds max, then why doesn't it move the glasses, which probably weigh less than 250 grams, at least 1 or 2 feet to the right? As those glasses are bouncing, they're turning end over end, and if there's that strong of a crosswind, then the lenses would get caught in too, just like the bike.

[@royrcf]

I would have thought any stored energy in the bike would have driven it in its original direction of travel not at 90 degrees?

[@daydodog]

Rotational energy

[@JTMarlin8]

I would have thought you're not a moron but we've now both been proven wrong.

[@Llanchlo]

I fell off my bike a few years ago at about 25kph - pretty modest speed. The bike ended up about 10 meters from me. I see nothing odd here at all.

[@bibartvivian3694]

I believe that because it had one tyre in full contact and grip with the road it show that some dragging must have occured. I haven't seen crashes that have looked like this, only Hesjedal's but that seemed more credible of it being on a descent so gravity had some saying in it. I think this was mechanical doping, bikes just don't slide like that on flat, they just bounce once of the ground and stop.

[@gwhite7011]

That bike dragged itself at 90 degrees across the road... Not 10 metres down the road

[@Llanchlo]

@@gwhite7011 Action - reaction. 60 kilo rider goes one way kicking off bike as he unclips. Which way do you expect the 6 kilo bike to go?

[@gwhite7011]

@@Llanchlo Not going to get in to a to and fro with you. You think it looks legit, I think it looks dodgy as feck. It propels itself ACROSS the road . Bye now

[@Danskebjerge]

@@bibartvivian3694 Exactly - it's impossible.

[@ironray123]

When they start hiding motors in the bikes that's when I stopped watching

[@cornpopwasabaddude4729]

There was no way the wind would blow the bike like that. Notice other riders didn't have any issue with the wind. It's was obvious a motor inside the bike.

[@mikes417]

Pretty simple like you have to drug test after a race your bike has to be inspected after a race, or any bike you use during the race that will end it all

[@willemvanriet7160]

That is not the wind! One proven case and I’ll stop watching cycling forever! Ban anyone and their team for life if caught

[@iProjectMobius]

Why didn't you mention the name of the team the "motor doping" bike came from in the Tour of Denmark crash?

[@leonardolyn6757]

IT was a lower tier team, cant remember the name, but the rider crashing into the bike was Martin Toft Madsen, a danish TT specialist.

[@zarrow50]

how heavy would the bike be with batteries ?

[@jojoadeyemi8239]

Were they racing with David Copperfield? Houdini? Thats a whole magic trick. 😂

[@ChrisAcheson]

The Di2 batteries in the seat post may be THE power source for the mechanical engine. The Di2 seat post battery seems innocently overlooked except that a rider might change for a new bike multiple times during a stage as these batteries will last only an hour max. (HIGHLY SUSPECT)

[@happydays8171]

It's my understanding that when it rains during the stage of a race, that bike is stripped to the frame and everything cleaned and reoiled. Why cant the bikes be inspected then?

[@garrycoates2147]

It is pretty easy to devise an experiment with a large fan to see how much force is required to move a bicycle like that. I think the other riders would be blown off their bikes long before that as they have the much larger cross section. Also, normal bicycles do not store large amounts of energy in the drivetrain.

[@jasonstewart9919]

For anyone doubting the plausibility that a pro rider would use a motor in their bike - we all now accept that the vast majority of riders have no issue injecting themselves with any variety of drugs, some of which they have no idea what they could do to their long term health right? Then in what world would the same rider have any issue with using a bike with a small motor in it?

[@sylvainmichaud2262]

God ! I wish people would listen in science classes.

[@damonthomas8955]

All race bikes need to be constructed of clear polymers, it's the only way to achieve transparency in the sport. I'll just see myself out now.

[@Fischi4711]

Come on guys. To store a good amount of energy that actually would give somebody a substantial advantage comes with the cost of weight - a lot of weight. And not to forget the motor weight. This could be easily recognized during handling the bikes before and after the race.

[@roddas26]

Yeah so how do you explain the people that have been caught? With actual motors in the bike.

[@pressrolls]

800 grams....

[@user-DeDub]

Brah, ever hear of a tire rolling @ 60kph

[@stephenm9799]

7 kg bike maybe - but the wheels are way too light to propel even that weight at that speed through kinetic energy. And if there is enough wind to push a 7 kg chunk of metal across the road, wouldn't it also move the crops at the side of the road just a little too?!

[@MrCollewet]

The only time I saw a bike moving because of windy condition it was on the top of Col daubisque, with 130kmh wind. Clearly not the case here, race would be cancelled if that was the case. A ventoux finish at the top got canceled for 100kmh winds

[@kenkaniff8428]

exactly. not nearly enough wind to propel a bike at that force AT A 90° ANGLE! That bike seemed to jump awfully suspect ata 90° angle. very suspect if you ask me

[@kenkaniff8428]

@@MrCollewet exactly. this was NOT wind!!! the bike jumped at a 90° angle which no way is there enough inertia being made to make a bike do this. to me it was the 90°angle at whichit jumped that makes it suspect to me

[@JohanSmalls]

What I don't understand is that they arn't using heat cams all the time. Tackling this problem - if it really exits - is far easier than tackling the PED problem. It's hard to find a drug in a human body, but it's really simple to find motors. They could simply install gates at certain points on the track the riders need to pass - I mean any aiport security system can detect batteries etc.

[@maxrevell3830]

that should be "alluded to" in your description.

[@mjsmjs7905]

Should be easy to detect by putting the bike on a scale, and maybe the use of a magnet

[@jose.gouveia]

Who was the rider?

[@Simon-xi8tb]

I fell off my bike once and the bike did the same thing. It turned out I had a motor in my bike. The local race organizers gave me a nice punishment. I had to ride naked next year. But I still won! Everyone was pissed.

[@carlono1]

If you rode a road bike at 40+ km/h, you would understand that there is a lot of power in the spinning wheels. If you crash, the wheels are still spinning (of course) and the power has to go sonewhere. This results in this „miracle“.

[@adventureswithsci]

Yes, it does look strange, but if there was a motor in this case, why is the rider deploying the motor sat in the middle of the pack on a flat section of the course...??

[@TheAnalysisGuy]

so mechanics are the new doctors now!

[@hectorstable]

Two points here. 1 - whilst the bike appears to move perpendicular across the road, the bike is actually crossing the road diagonally towards the direction it had been headed in, but the motocam and other cyclists moving forward make it appear like it turned at a right angle. 2 - the front wheel is stood up with full contact on the ground, which could strongly influence the direction the bike travels.

[@E-d1d3]

I dont think the front wheel is in contact with the ground. My therory is the angular momentum of the spinning front wheel is moving the bike via the right hand rule, putting force thru the axel length, perpendicular to the fork.

[@fergusdenoon1255]

Erm, the clip at 38seconds, would that not require the bike to have a reverse gear...

[@PerryScanlon]

MRI scan of metal? Is that real?

[@russme5463]

when you crash the bike will travel in the direction that the momentum takes it prior to the crash (typically forward or down a hill).......to travel 180 degrees opposite of the rider momentum would require assistance

[@JTMarlin8]

I think you require assistance for your mental disability.

[@tsubakisan1147]

what wind??? the corn in the field beside the road wasn't moving to indicate ANY wind, let alone a strong enough wind to blow the bike across the road.

[@abone2pick]

Anyone that thinks lance used a motor is just silly. He doesn't even have the fastest time up any of the major climbs in the tour.

[@cuebj]

Whatever the form of doping, pure speed in a moment is not the plan. Chemical doping is at least as much about recovering faster so you can maintain a high level of performance every day rather than have to pay for your big effort with a bad day or two following. Different use of mechanical doping: to avoid suspicions, you'd use it just to keep up while taking it easy for a few days leaving natural energy, perhaps with a tiny bit of 'assistance', to do the critical effort at appropriate time. For domestique, just use it to ferry bottles and keep protected rider out of wind a bit longer than if no doping. In short, it will work better if the rider is at very level on their own and the little bit extra makes the small difference between success and merely taking part in event.

[@secretagent86]

if lance could have done motor doping, his efforts would have been better put into aero development. therefore as he was fiercely competitive it is illogical for him to have attempted a technology which was (and is) immature. Occam's Razor

[@paulhowell7103]

thanks mr spock

[@scninja07]

Lance didn’t motor dope. He crashed in a team time trial one year in the TdF and then the 2003 crash with Mayo on Luz Ardiden. No sign of anything like this. He EPO doped, his whole team doped, he was the best doped all around rider during that time, he was ultra competitive and his manager Johan Bruyneel was cool with it.

[@philtomlinson8220]

I just don't think the technology was viable for moror doping back in Lance's day. Battery technology in particular has moved on in leaps and bounds over the last 20 years.

[@SMGJohn]

Anything involved money, there will always be cheaters and abusers who will take advantage of anything to gain the price.

[@fanridersclub1306]

If you would try to enter an airport gate with such a bike you would be stopped by security right away. UCI has to accomodate this technology and stop mecanical dopping forever. It can’t be that hard.

[@MetalY2KMusic]

I've seen this happen without motors involved, but that doesn't mean much here.

[@tungstenkid2271]

I thought the race scrutineers checked all bikes for motor doping before the start of each stage? They should be easy to detect, for example every frame could have several small holes drilled into it by the manufacturer so that if scrutineers couldn't see daylight through the holes it meant a motor was in there..:)

[@carlosquin4822]

They do not check all bikes, only the bike that is started during the race. Watch Fabian "Motor" Cancellera switching up to 4 bikes per race even though there is nothing wrong with them. He has someone from his team at certain locations ( within the crowd) and this person takes the bike away so no one takes a look at it. This was seen in many races and it was clear he was switching the bikes due to the battery on the bottle pack running out. After UCI starting scanning the bikes where is Fabian now? He disappeared right after they started doing the seat post scans. The switching of bikes during races with no flat tires, no mechanical problems is highly suspicious and UCI needs to take the swapped bikes, not the team mechanics. All swapped bikes should be handled only by UCI staff.

[@tungstenkid2271]

@@carlosquin4822- Thanks, and if UCI got tougher by slapping life bans on all cheats (including doping cheats) fewer riders would risk cheating.

[@davehenderson5585]

Sad to say, the UCI is probably in on it. They've lost the battle and cannot survive all the bad PR. So, they cover it up. Or make it seem not so serious.

[@cormacatcyclesierranevada1451]

Which rider is this?

[@a.sarmiento5116]

How about motor spring drive does not use motor cause it will be obvious needs battery but spring driven. Like those small toy cars which you back then it goes far. That could be it.

[@raunefare]

I don’t get it. Why would you need fancy equipment to find the motors. Simply weighing the bikes and just inspecting them before the race would make it pretty obvious that there was a motor in the bike. I really doubt there is a problem anyway

[@kiyaleelevyrunaya9495]

Also, when I was a kid I crashed once (well,more than once xD ) and my bike kept going without me I've seen it go on two wheels without me I've seen it keep rolling while flat on the floor. And that was just a regular, very cheap, dirtbike I rode. Sooooo, yeah.

[@happydays8171]

Your bike misses you, it's trying to find you now.

[@matthewblue7839]

Wind could not force a bike across the road like that and there was no echelon in pack indicated a very high right angle cross wind. It seems the rear wheel was in contact with the road and driving the bike, kinetic energy with no rider would dissipate way before the bike could cross the road and strike the other rider with such force: something doesn’t add up ?

[@tungstenkid2271]

And if UCI know motoring is going on, it reflects badly on them for not stopping it, and people are bound to ask if some corrupt UCI officials are being secretly paid big money by the team management to turn a blind eye.

[@michaelheaven9883]

Surely if the power was coming from the bottom bracket the pedals would have still been turning

[@robbchastain3036]

All I can say is c'mon, don't bring a motorcycle to a bicycle race. Or if you do, just enter the open class and twist that throttle. :)

[@Eirikross]

We must make rules against the wind helping riders or atleast make the wind help every ryder at the same time. Cancelara took all the wind back in 2010 so nothing was left for Boonen.

[@1CVill]

I am not quite sure, this looks really od. the bike crosses the road - could be possible, but afterwards the bike jumps in the air catapulted by the rear wheel - thats more of a concern. Nonetheless the solution is quite simple, nameplate all bikes in the peloton with a tag, that cannot be removed. any bike can be controlled afterwards with xray etc.

[@mariop8101]

Because the wheel will keep on spinning until it looses energy. Try at home and you damage your bike.

[@suhdud4646]

If the UCI allow for any loopholes in propellation of a bicycle, soon the team cars and media bikes will be competing to win the TDF.

[@harrickvharrick3957]

In the Denmark incident the rear wheel moves the wrong direction after the fall!!

[@valleyflaneur]

I like some of your videos but this one is really lame clickbait stuff. There's no actual analysis just an invitation to speculate - that just seems dumb and irresponsible. It's easy to say there's doubt - if you hear the sound of hooves in the street, it could be a zebra, but probabliity would suggest a horse. You even say "This doubt could be eradicated by this simple physic lesson that it probably might be" - but you don't actually spend any meaningful time on the physics and trying to understand/explain that. That's a shame. I'm not naive enough to think cheating doesn't happen, but the only way to counter it is a better understanding of the science of it.

[@sean7098]

pure facts

[@Umb2132]

Completely agree. Well said.

[@mariop8101]

It's the inertia law in action. The wheel was spinning over 50 km/h, he fell from the bike to quickly and the wheel touched the tarmac, and keep on moving the bike until it lost it's spin.

[@DD-qq8sn]

I completely agree with you, this is a very lame video that is little more than clickbait. As pretty much all pro tour riders use crank-based power meters, would it not show that their watts/kg was way off what was needed to generate the average speed if they were getting an assist of a couple of hundred watts? Does the UCI have access to power data files from riders? (If they aren't already posted publicly on Strava). And if I was motor doping, I'd be using it to help me get up the hills, not to ride on the flat in the peloton as in the video (well, actually I'd need a bloody big motor just to keep up with the peloton in real life, but you know what I mean). Or have the offending pro tour teams got secret batteries that can for no significant weight penalty, power a motor for the entire four to six hours of a stage? I am disappointed in @thecyclingdane

[@joeshermer7220]

I agree, I did laugh at some of the replies mentioning kinetic energy or torque or wind speed etc very vaguely either intended as jokes or serious, I don't know.. Personally, when I fall and slide on my butt, for comedic effect I like to wave my arms randomly and jerk my head like a chicken pretending that that motion will propel me faster and farther. (I don't actually do that, in case you are wondering.)

[@lorenciandrej]

Claiming while asking a question is MANIPULATION.

[@the.communist]

Strange situation. That bike must have CERAMIC bearings.

[@TD05SSLegacy]

New title of this video, ‘this could’

[@lookingdown8290]

It's not hypothetical. The UCI just wants to ignore it because, in their opinion, it would destroy the sport. The checks they do with an ipad are pathetic. They need to check every single bike in every team truck and every wheel because motors are in the wheels. And they only check a few bikes, at a few of the races, some of the time

[@mariop8101]

False accusations are also crime, some countries are creating laws against it.

[@Jonas-uj8zl]

If I'm not mistaken the UCI is x-raying some bikes after some races, which would make motordoping impossible.

[@kenkaniff8428]

its only random checks and not done enough

[@scottmcmillan1813]

Lance being interviewed by Oprah hahaha

[@RidinOnABigCog]

Lifetime ban and removal of name from any medals or championships during and before if proven to of cheated..

[@revelationdetailers894]

You can plainly see the wheel still turning with what appears to be geared force behind it. Why does the UCI or whomever not xray each bike by the rider prior to the race and any extra bikes the team has? This would eliminate it totally. They can't use an excuse of that would take too much time either. Bikes are checked after mechanics set them up day prior, then locked away until race time for the riders.

[@gegeplanet6119]

I saw the interview of the hungarian designer who was paid millions.. not to reveal the name of the user during Armstrong era..

[@derdakakos2207]

Varjas István

[@derdakakos2207]

The name

[@kenkaniff8428]

do you know where I can see that interview?

[@MrJeddurso]

To make it fair, teams shouldn’t have their own bikes. The riders should all ride UCI-provided bikes and all mechanics should work for the UCI, not the teams. All riders on the same bikes.

[@GoldPollard]

What you fail to mention is why teams now have such massive rear blocks, even on flat stages. This gives plenty of room to hide the components needed for the motorisation. Certainly I have not heard a valid reason why such a big block is fitted.

[@HarborEdwin]

Proven hidden motor on a race bike (during race) should result in lifetime ban for both rider & mechanic/s of said bike.

[@jaysimoes3705]

So we can wonder: did we have bikes moving like this with a wheel spinning like that in 1990 or 2000. Plenty of footage of falling riders are there any that behaved like this? How many times since this technology could be put into a bike? I have no clue, but it is another angle.

[@edwardairesii5729]

Don't buy, that Lance had a motorized bike. Batteries were still very large and heavy at that time, so no way. I can't except motorized bikes, but bring back the EPO days in the mountains.

[@MetalY2KMusic]

our modern Lithium batteries existed then, were just incredibly expensive

[@edwardairesii5729]

@@MetalY2KMusic But they were huge and heavy. So that would out weigh their benefits.

[@frendzlifeadvent6942]

May the force be with you

[@Yaketyyak21]

Jasus,even Armstrong bike was on dope.

[@cnay2983]

i mean after a crash like that Im sure they will inspect the bike post-crash. Nothing suspicious here

[@VUO4E]

If carbon is so strong, why not impose a see-through opening just above the crank axle : no need for tablets or scanning devices...

[@erikdexter3100]

There is no wind look at the corn …still as can be

[@rexycontemplates]

They go at incredible speed but there is nothing to see. The tyres are big and when the contact on the ground it will drag away from it sposition. Simpe as that.

[@okim8807]

0:03 やってんなあ。 I think this phenomenon is due to motor-doping or hurricanes.

[@lorenciandrej]

The bike was looking the Mad Cow for half of moment too long, for sure.

[@al3724]

This was caused by the rider's socks being too high.

[@jackmacdonald7636]

Theres no doubt that rear wheel had motor drive to it. I've done amateur races and they also make similar messes, especially now with the general handling quality of pros of late days are messy, but regarding the crash, who are they thinking the BS of the light carbon rim having Momentum to drive the bike like that is a joke. I used light alloy tubulars about same weight and heavier than the wheels seen in races now, and you NEVER saw bikes get powered across the road like that. The guy that gets taken out from that dirty bike should sue the cheat rider. And new tech is needed to sniff out the motors.

[@seththomas3194]

Why would someone be using an electric motor on a downhill downwind portion of the race? I mean the group was split and they were chasing...but really, it isn't going to do much for you at that speed/pace/wind. More lack of understanding of something that has existed for hundreds and longer years....with wheels.