Is your car spying on you? This is what one woman said happened to her

A woman learned her OnStar system is tracking things like acceleration events, high-speed events, and hard break events and GM has been sharing that data with data brokers.
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[@nunyabeezwacks1408]

GM wasn't "sharing" their customers' data, GM was SELLING it, profiting from it.

[@Probateprepnow]

Companies don't even have to offer new products and services to grow revenue. Sell customer data and revenue will grow atleast 1.5 billion for large companies

[@cocacola3269]

Fr there scandalous like there electric system are alway braken

[@EavyMuturuh]

Yep

[@EavyMuturuh]

@@cocacola3269spying overload.

[@uuuultra]

Really?

[@arthurneddysmith]

$10 says when insurance companies spying finds that you're a "safe driver," your insurance premiums don't go down.

[@alicefreist318]

I have State Farm. Choosing to install.a discrete device to spy on myself dropped my insurance cost by about 30%. The price went from "unaffordable" to "OK to pay".

[@handlesshouldntdefaulttonames]

I have a voluntary tracker in my car that locks my rates in so long as I haven't got any "adverse" events. They do hand out "Good Driver Bonuses" and companies like Root won't even insure you if you have a bad file.

[@NiaLaLa_V]

@@alicefreist318 Right?! I have been utilizing that benefit for almost 20 years. It is sad people have no clue what is actually going on so they sit here in conspiracy land when they could be saving money.

[@JustMe-uu3bh]

mine went up anyway, wanna know why? they said it was all the "other drivers" in the state that are raising premiums........I have a PERFECT record too. sorry, mine continually go up and they say it's due to the ones coming here and those who don't have insurance and blah blah blah. here's your 10 dollars.

[@drillsergeant623]

@@alicefreist318You are what I call, a wilful slave.

[@sharongillesp]

It’s ALWAYS about laws that protect corporations instead of consumers.

[@floridazoe2494]

This is the United States!! This country and its law makers both Republicans and Democrats are puppets to the corporations!!

[@freewillchoice8052]

We all have access to the consumer laws most are too lazy to read them and pay them in their life instead they rather listen to videos and believe what they are told from 3rd party spectators. If more studied and applied what they learned this 💩 would fall off big time

[@janvangorp6918]

Soon they will go too far, like "john deer" did, and farmers were looking for nerd to hack their tractors. So your car will run soon on a strip't version from Linux software. Hackers unite.

[@Riley0509]

So VOTE BLUE!

[@maverick9708]

YOU braked hard to avoid an accident from someone jumping out into the road, then get charged more on insurance because you avoided that the game is rigged, screw all these companies

[@shirleyucantbserious4201]

Yeah, what about those pesky deer, also? Insurance companies are crooks!

[@nugsymalone1247]

I respect no one that works for insurance or advertising.

[@jessie7601]

Thank you. I don't wanna crash my car.

[@GodsSparrowSpeaks]

Yet they can’t find rapists or missing children or predators or……..

[@bl3313]

You'd think they'd at least be able to track stolen cars. I just saw a youtube video a few days ago about a fellow in Toronto who had a high-end SUV stolen. He'd attached his own tracking device to his vehicle. The SUV was apparently in tracking-proof containers much of the time, but it was out of containers long enough at various stops that he could track it first to eastern Ontario, then to Montreal, then to Antwerp, finally its apparent final destination in Dubai. No help from police who mumbled something about jurisdictional issues blah blah etc. But God forbid he brake just because some kid runs into the street chasing a hockey puck or whatever.

[@donelci9337]

They DON’T want to find them.

[@GodsSparrowSpeaks]

@@donelci9337 I know, you’re correct. More of a rhetorical statement... It’s actually really horrifying. I don’t think they even look really hard because even law-enforcement knows where they’ve ended up. And what to do about when you see the head of the usa being handed over a child by their own parent, whom he creepily walks into the 🤍🏚️ with security, knowing full well what’s going to happen.. It’s like there’s a living Hell right here in broad daylight and it’s getting worse by the hour 🙏🏼

[@GodsSparrowSpeaks]

@@donelci9337 My comment was deleted - let me try again LOL I know, you’re correct. More of a rhetorical statement... It’s actually really horrifying. I don’t think they even look really hard because even he uniformed knows where they’ve ended up. And what to do about when you see the head of the us being handed a child by their own parent, whom he creepily walks into the 🤍🏚️ with sec, knowing full well what’s going to happen.. It’s like there’s a living Hell right here in broad daylight and it’s getting worse by the hour 🙏🏼

[@purplelove3666]

​@@GodsSparrowSpeaks they don't want to or maybe they have them?

[@Chycityboy]

I love my 20 year old truck. No payments, no spying and will go anywhere

[@KD-vf6yq]

Same with my car….20+ years and I love it

[@cinichols901]

Good for yall but 😮‍💨 upgrade to something less expensive

[@oblonghas]

Do you carry a smartphone?

[@eenchantress5113]

I will buy you a new truck

[@BlackSeranna]

@@cinichols901what are you talking about? My little truck that is that old gets 30 mpg.

[@Yourmission9]

GM acting as if they didn’t know this was going on and “severing ties with two data brokers” is rich. In plain human speak, “we got caught selling your driving data to brokers, but we’re not selling that data anymore because we don’t want you to stop buying our cars”.

[@badgercdlyons]

"We're now selling to OTHER middle-man data brokers who in turn may sell to these two brokers, but that's clearly not us selling to those two."

[@4DCResinSmoker]

It will last a short while to the heat dies down. Afterwhich it's business as usual.

[@rxonmymind8362]

​@badgercdlyons Exactly. They didn't say they wouldn't sho around and sell it again. That's money to them. Write your congress person and request an option to opt out. By not asking they assume you are OK with it.

[@baba_agba]

Rule of thumb: every smart device spies on you.

[@physics2817]

Screw that! GM needs to pay for VIOLATING these people’s privacy!!

[@howardwilliams8993]

GM not the only one doing it! Your phone probably recording you even your tv, computer, cameras on every street corner.

[@michaelbaja1854]

You signed that right away when you bought their junk!

[@MarvinFikowitz]

all new tv's probably have a pixel that doubles as a camera watching you in your house

[@AJ-qn6gd]

Probably hidden in the Ts + Cs that you sign without reading 🤔🇬🇧

[@lizzieb6311]

Not just GM! I REFUSE to have my Mazda App activated and NEVER use Apple Car Play. Hooking up to Apple Car Play gives Mazda (or any vehicle that has it) access to EVERYTHING on your phone…contacts..emails…texts..photos…ALL OF IT!

[@robertlundquist5450]

This is discrimination. They will raise your rates for unsafe driving, but not lower them for safe driving.

[@Blondie77128]

At least reckless drivers have some sort of penalties and consequences. I have no sympathy for these drivers. Experience too much from them as it is driving up my rates because they need to drive like bratty spoiled selfish teenagers. Eff that.

[@jimandersen3003]

@@Blondie77128 you need to ride a bike if you have this much hate for car drivers. you th crackhead that broke into my car and can't get arrested for either crime while I got my car seized and am facing prison time for driving 90 in the middle of nowhere?

[@mikeboy337]

congratulations. fun fact, insurance companies are the only companies that can not only break the rules of the Geneva convention, but base their entire business off of it. what a scam

[@indy_go_blue6048]

@@mikeboy337 Huh? Geneva convention of war crimes? I'm from Missouri: show me.

[@bobthebuilder3529]

Progressive has (or had, not sure if they still do) a device that logs your driving habits snap shot. i had it installed for 3 months and my insurance dropped like 15% after that they requested it back so their was no more data being recorded.

[@Cre-Art]

Helps motorists "improve their driving"? That translates to: it helps insurance companies collect more money while the driver's privacy is being invaded and he has no idea he's a victim.

[@cassanateli]

I can’t imagine the type of mouthbreathers that actually call those numbers

[@theredscourge]

A "hard brake event" does not mean someone is an unsafe driver. It means they successfully avoided a collision. Using this as a metric to say someone is a bad driver without the context of WHY they had to brake hard is insane. This would basically punish people based on population density because some places just have so many people that everyone has to drive bumper to bumper at high speed and then slam on the brakes if there are any unexpected slowdowns.

[@hypersloth8442]

Looking at you Houston drivers 😂

[@adalcour]

This happened to me at my policy renewal earlier this month. Because of faulty fast-change traffic lights, my premium went up almost double. 😡

[@joshpipe7755]

​@@adalcourthat's outrageous...

[@anounTT]

Drive slow.

[@jerseykevin27]

​@@anounTT Slow driving in a travel lane, is a leading cause of accidents

[@fg3568]

Your car, your television, your phone, your watch, your computer, your tablet, your doorbell....anything electronic that you have that is "smart" is spying on you.

[@strayspark1967]

thats exactly right.

[@anarchyamp]

Yup

[@razorramon8326]

F*** our government and law enforcement!!! Politicians 🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@OurFreeSociety]

Thank you for being awake!

[@jeffk464]

​@@razorramon8326well this is all corporate

[@papajon62]

The Amish are ahead of the curve on this 🐎

[@markhatfield5621]

But that horse knows where they've been.

[@seth5308]

The Amish are mentally, morally, and ethnically ahead of Democrats

[@bladebrowntv7822]

Lolll

[@LastoftheMohicans116]

@@markhatfield5621😂😂

[@viazel2796]

😂❤

[@nunnya-biz32]

My car is not spying on me, it's too old for such authoritarianism & that's the way I like it.

[@Alster763]

"Customer trust is now a priority after we got caught" -GM

[@ANik-uksau]

1980: she’s crazy 2018: she’s paranoid 2030: you need 800 credit score for us to unlock your car today 📣

[@ChiquitaMia-ci2vg]

😂

[@chosenArchitec]

You giving them ideas.

[@DifferenceBetweenDoesAndDies]

"YOU CAN SAY THAT A CRAZY LADY TOLD YOU ABOUT IT, BUT DON'T SAY, NOBODY DID!" --------MY MOM 😊 SHE WOULD SAY THAT TO PEOPLE WHO DOUBTED WHAT SHE WAS SAYING!😁

[@Gripmagic]

​@@chosenArchitecthey already had the ideas, they just had to take the time to slowly implement them

[@Marky-Mark1337]

Damn 5 points off

[@blueskeletonking2701]

This is a complete invasion of privacy. This is grounds for a class action lawsuit

[@SykotikShadow]

I'm guessing you never read the bill that was passed last year. Read h.r. 3684 section 24220

[@enochrry6024]

GM stopped sharing insurance info to 3rd parties just a few weeks ago after being exposed, guess their gearing up for the law suit coming.

[@enochrry6024]

GM stopped sharing insurance info to 3rd parties just a few weeks ago after being exposed, gearing up for the law suit coming.

[@Bill-im6nt]

@@SykotikShadow A bipartisan provision in the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (Section 24220, Public Law 117-58, IIJA) signed into law on November 15, 2021 requires a new national safety standard for passive, advanced impaired driving prevention systems in new vehicles.

[@mrfattypancakes]

​@@Bill-im6nttldr; government mandated invasion of privacy

[@Ganadores500]

Always remember, big brother's watching !😂

[@HooLeePhucingSheet]

Its illegal to put an air tag on a car but this is fine? Huh?

[@lordvonmanor6915]

When your car has a side gig as a government informat.

[@shortyp1000]

These are private companies.

[@AnnArmstrong-gr7ng]

😂true

[@dominiquedevereux7205]

😂

[@eenchantress5113]

😂

[@suburbantrapqueen3244]

*informant

[@HighWoody]

Why can’t they find your car if it was stolen? Yet they can do something like this.

[@william3228]

Priorities.

[@TWLogik]

Why is she still paying for onStar?

[@Gman2002]

They want you to buy a new car when it’s stolen. That’s another profit model.

[@suzannortega6671]

That’s just what they tell stupid people that get sucked into signing up for these surveillance services…

[@MrOiram46]

@@Gman2002it’s also a double whammy once insurance totals it for not being found in a set amount of days, even though it’s still functional

[@TacShooter]

The problem is: 1) Not informing the consumer up-front that they are being monitored 2) ...that it could have an impact on their insurance rates 3) Not providing feedback and HOW to drive to keep their rates lower. Seems like just another excuse for the insurance company to have its hand out for more money.

[@janhensley3617]

Wow! Talk about invasion of privacy. A lot of times the driver is reacting to traffic conditions.

[@wellsaid7192]

This is why people don’t want to buy newer cars with a lot of technology. Technology is not your friend. This is a deal breaker for me. It’s an invasion of privacy.

[@JustBree716]

Right. My daughter has a newer Model VW Passat and I noticed that it tries to steer itself. I thought it was kinda cute at first that if I was too close to an edge that it would pull me back..I quickly realized that it's not so cute

[@dramafan08]

@@JustBree716Right, those lane assist programs have caused dangerous situations, I believe including collisions. Stay safe.

[@TheCossack]

​@DaleGribble-gz7dxmaybe we should be on camera 24/7, even in the bathroom, in case some crime occurs while we're there, you want to stay safe don't you?

[@Gr8Incarnate]

You usually have to pay extra for OnStar, it's not free.

[@jusletursoulglobaby]

​@DaleGribble-gz7dx😂😂 buddy you sound incredibly pressed. there is a thing called privacy. you cant unknowingly collect that type of info like they're doing. and no, the whole providing driving record (which only shows violations) should not be mandatory when purchasing a car. people buy cars for other people

[@Ay-B]

That insurance person who suggested she get that report is a good person!!!

[@davidward1259]

Actually I think it's law that if they deny you based on some report they have to disclose the report source.

[@elephant1992]

The people that sold the information to insurance company are the good people If I insurance increase 80%, she is driving like a damn freaking lunatic

[@Epic_C]

@@elephant1992Those reports are always very vague and never can give the whole picture. It is spying period.

[@dokkieback4401]

@@elephant1992you racist 😮

[@coffeezombie6813]

@@dokkieback4401 Someone mentions that someone is driving like a lunatic, and YOU latch onto the unmentioned fact that that someone is black, and YOU bring race into the conversation by calling SOMEONE ELSE a racist? Nah man, I think you need to look in the mirror. Nobody but you mentioned race. Nobody but you made that connection.

[@custosnocte1528]

Remember when GM was about to go under ? And the taxpayers saved them !

[@cameleonfleuri]

This is awfully scary and abusive!!!!!!! 😮😵

[@MountainMan.]

The anti-technology movement for cars is beginning. Less tech in cars...lower car prices...more privacy.

[@RaptureHead1993]

Not going to happen.

[@he-ch1559]

there needs to be separate infrastructure for autonomous vehicles and manually driven vehicles with no IoT. this way people have options and continue freedom of mobility which includes privacy if we're being completely honest in today's world

[@speedyme200]

​@@RaptureHead1993but you have choices

[@ivoryas1696]

@@speedyme200 True, but I think his point is that the common "choice" will drown this movement out in the wider market. I'd say that older cars are still gonna be around for a while, though...

[@SykotikShadow]

This is why it's very important for you.American citizens to actually understand the bills they Push through. I have known this for over a year and have been advocating for people to understand H.R. 3684 section 24220

[@gayemarianesfox2405]

I’m glad she brought this to light.

[@me-pz5yi]

Indeed

[@PeskyCitizenTX]

You're a good 15-20 years behind if this is what you just now call "brought this to light".

[@Commonsensepreps]

Conspiracy theorists aren't so crazy anymore......

[@sparkle3000]

Smart houses, ring cams, baby monitors, cable t.v., Alexa in homes, our phones, our privacy is being compromised every day.

[@martyott671]

“You’ll own nothing and be happy”.

[@SunshineCatwoman]

Avoid anything "smart." Not only are "smart" appliances more expensive than "dumb" ones, they are also unrepairable.

[@MakeYouFeelBetterNow]

And some of them, like home heating, are controllable by anyone on the internet. You could even be locked out of your own house, like one guy was.

[@Choppini]

@SunshineCatwoman AMEN to that.

[@kudjo24]

The original term in 2006 ish era was the "Internet of Things" (IOT), Popular Science talked about it all the time how great it was going to be for your fridge, car, toaster, and house to be connected to the internet. Obviously it was all a psyop because it was meant for profiteering and government dystopian power grabbing. It just got rebranded to "smart" because it sounds good and not scary.

[@xvillin]

It's almost impossible to avoid these cars these days.

[@zack256300]

His own house..🙄​@@MakeYouFeelBetterNow

[@clallen2000]

This should be illegal. People have a right to unlawful searchs and a car reporting on you should be illegal.

[@ashleytaylor1040]

I 100% agree

[@chrischris7805]

It is illegal.

[@Kevin-fv6pp]

i don’t get how insurance companies getting a real look at how fast and hard you’re accelerating is bad it’s giving these reckless drivers more accurate insurance rate

[@erlandodk]

​@@Kevin-fv6ppBut are they giving safe drivers lower rates? Also, what is an "acceleration event"? Or a "hard braking event"? Without any context to those you can't determine anything regarding the driver.

[@Dragon359]

Should be, but will anything change?

[@morgansoon3099]

Very good WSB-TV! It is so refreshing to see actual investigative journalists reporting disturbing information and informing the public. This is what journalism used to look like!

[@asanta2023]

And very good to this woman who decided to investigate and do her own research into her high insurance rates. This helps many.

[@beauthestdane]

One really nice thing about driving older vehicles, they don't have any of that data collection.

[@truthteller4442]

Normalize suing the sh!t out of these major global corporations!!!!!

[@martytah653]

But Corporations are people too. Thanks to the Supreme Court. Good luck suing them. Plus the Supreme Court is now owed by big business.

[@skullhelmet1944]

@@martytah653 Been so for decades sadly this country has gone downhill fast

[@martytah653]

@@skullhelmet1944 just the foundation of the fascist state.

[@mihan5660]

​@@martytah653 people get sued, thats part of what corporations are people means. They can be sued in court like people. Corporate personage is a double-edged sword for them

[@eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee9531]

It's impossible if they control the world. We have to use our 2a bc these narcissists are violating our rights

[@tpiguy]

Car shares your poor driving habits, rates increase. Car shares your good driving habits, rates don’t decrease.

[@Pisti846]

But never go down.

[@dougohboy5190]

Wait till they link your poor driving habits to a social credit score linked to your central bank digital money ....which is programable....

[@AlldatJazz-rw9wy]

​@@dougohboy5190they don't mind giving up their freedoms, so they do what this did tpiguy did. Cope. 😂

[@viazel2796]

Absolutely 💯 👍🏽

[@joecarey4356]

She can't drive😂😂😂😂

[@shawnhietala8601]

Edward snowden doesnt look so looney now, does he😂

[@Ttk1023]

I said this 10 years ago and everyone laughed at me 😂😂

[@justayoutuber1906]

I bet they also turn on the OnStar microphone and record what you say....under the guise of protecting you.

[@davek9378]

My ‘23 Venza app says Toyota can keep your conversations for 10 years or more. I opted out, but I bet they still keep it.

[@markhatfield5621]

There's already reports of the vehicles listening in and acting on conversations.

[@Thunderbyrd.]

That's why people should disconnect their OnStar, remove the fuse that powers the OnStar unit or cut the power and ground wires or the entire wiring harness to the unit.

[@dimitriberozny3729]

@@Thunderbyrd.Hopefully this doesn’t turn on the CHECK ENGINE LIGHT!! Or disable the ABS system because you WILL fall an emissions and/or safety inspection! The sticky issue is that sometimes the ABS and/or OBD system is fed by the same fuse or circuit breaker or fusible link,or the Read Only Memory side of these systems.

[@Diafgadgsut]

Could also take out the entire unit and replace it. Hundreds of options to choice from.

[@melanie7781]

Thank you to the woman who came forward to tell us all what is going on.

[@Twilightsummerbreeze]

Thank you for speaking up.

[@Generik97]

The real question is who determines what is and isn't safe driving? If I'm rapidly accelerating to reach highway speeds from an on ramp or if I have to break hard to avoid someone break checking me how do you distinguish that from someone who is actually a reckless and dangerous driver? Better yet what if you're a parent and your teaching your children how to drive? Will their in experience effect your insurance?

[@Mt-ze3xe]

“Severing ties with insurance brokers” is just a nice way of saying “we’re sorry we got caught”

[@contractor556]

100%

[@christopherharmon9336]

They never said for how long.

[@toyafoster3173]

Yep, they shouldn't have done it in the first place!!! Plus, they say they will stop but will they really? NO GM CARS FOR ME!!!

[@toyafoster3173]

There's NO WAY in this world I would EVER get a GM vehicle now! Ever!!!!

[@dominiquedevereux7205]

EXACTLY. They're trying to distance themselves from the 🐃💩 to make it look as if they had NO IDEA 🙄 of The Con that was going on!

[@gigif8566]

Years ago a technician told me if an app is free then YOU & YOUR INFORMATION are the product they are selling.

[@larsonfamilyhouse]

That goes for all apps and free and cheap things- if it is free then you’re the product! Same how youtube and google sell your info- Big Data is very real!

[@niraku321]

It says right on the apps what is shared and why.

[@user-gg8tl5yt7d]

​@@niraku321 yes because everyone has the time to read a 60-page privacy policy..... don't pretend like you ever have.

[@jurassicthunder]

same with KZbin.

[@herkload]

This makes me happy that I drive a 2013 Prius with zero “smart” features

[@willyjoerockhead]

In the old days if you said "my car is spying on me" they would call you crazy...Today if you said "i don't think my car is spying on me." they call you crazy!

[@pashon4percushon]

I told a couple of my coworkers that smart TVs and chat rooms are spying they think i'm paranoid.

[@bonnydaise8112]

Would I be called crazy if I said my phone is spying on me ? well, it is. I think it can read my mind also.

[@Richiebadass777]

​@@pashon4percushonI agree with you on that ....

[@annmarieknapp]

​@@bonnydaise8112Anything we say the phone detects. Think of how adds change to what you buy.part of the algorithm.

[@TheWalamala]

Also in the old days if you wore a mask in public people thought you were crazy now they think you're crazy if you don't

[@drsysop]

I just canceled & disconnected my OnStar module on my current GM lease & will plug it in when I return it.

[@crazedgoldminner7384]

She's not alone I have a friend going through the exact same thing right now

[@dpajc056]

She bought a V8 Camaro, what, they thought she'd drive it like a Toyota? BOYCOTT GM!!! LET THEM FAIL!! They're not sorry, they're sorry they GOT CAUGHT!!!

[@BelleAhoy]

Leave Toyota drivers alone😂

[@johnmarten4184]

@@BelleAhoy dpajc06 knocked Toyota automobiles, you projected.

[@joeblow8837]

Ford is listening in on their customers.

[@larsonfamilyhouse]

They never said they were sorry because 5hey’re not. Every make of car does the same exact thing.

[@privatedata665]

sounded like a 6 cylinder

[@waltdiesel]

This should be completely illegal.

[@PANZERFAUST90]

It's in the fine print. If you agree to it deal with it.

[@SuperLuminalElf]

Unlawful Search and Seizure; Illegal Wiretapping; Unethical Discrimination -the latter being; Ok to raise prices on you, but not to LOWER them for SAFE, responsible driving.

[@SuperLuminalElf]

@@PANZERFAUST90Is it?

[@PANZERFAUST90]

@@SuperLuminalElf I would imagine so. These companies are pretty careful.

[@derekbelgum6296]

​@PANZERFAUST90 you are the problem

[@phillipnickerson]

Time to Lawyer up if this issue is not resolved.

[@tjj2040]

The fact that people didn’t see this coming is actually shocking.

[@Shredbmx221]

Ripped out my onstar board as soon as i got home. Immediately started getting emails from these crooks. Lol oh know. Where did he go?

[@JustMe-uu3bh]

I love you

[@JDMdrifterboy7]

How? What model car? Did it make any dashboard lights come on?

[@Shredbmx221]

@@JDMdrifterboy7 2015 Silverado, the red light is always on, on my rear view mirror but It never connects again. My 88 rx7's and 13 FR-S need no such help. Don't buy NEW cars !

[@anarchyamp]

Legend

[@NotSure876]

What did the emails say?

[@DarkmanRides]

Do you think the insurance company lowers your rate if they find out that you've been driving safely😂😂

[@QuattroSG]

Ive been driving for 18 years, not an single accident or use of insurance once, my rates have never went down once. So the answer is no, they never lower your rates. If anything they go up slightly overtime not because of your driving but because of the market.

[@jim4448]

Don't worry the insurance company will never lower the rates.

[@MeowNow494]

Well they claim that, my friend fell for it and she used that little progressive thing that you plug into your car She specifically asked them if it could make her rates go up and they said no but the month after she started using it her insurance rates went up

[@madtruckamax3341]

"HELL NOOOO!"

[@billmichaelson2055]

They don't know what's safe is. Get ready to welcome our new AI overlords.

[@DragonSlayer-ho4mi]

Do as they say. Drive as they say. Eat bugs they say. Don’t breathe they say.

[@davidmoore4953]

Thanks for letting us all know

[@kortni_animations]

I love pre-tech cars. They don't have flashy lights, but they're easier to repair yourself and don't tattle to your insurance.

[@Hatbox948]

Nor do they have computers, sensors, etc. All that stuff breaks or malfunctions, and dealerships are raking in profit from the need for never ending repairs.

[@jordanwhite5470]

And you have to actually be able to drive in all road conditions; not have the car drive FOR you :)

[@Inyourhideyhole]

Gotta love it over these new vehicles

[@kolsen6330]

Love my 87 Ford F 150. Wont ever sell it for a new POS car.

[@DMAC1301]

One that won’t be effected by an emp

[@ZoomZoomMX3]

This is why vehicles cost over $40k Your driving a computer not just a vehicle

[@judykuzmitz4585]

$40, 000!? My son's 2 year old truck cost $65,000 and my suv was $45,000. Both of us are leasing because it's not affordable to actually buy one . But then you get stuck with turning the lease in every 2 years, it never gets paid off!

[@hsplash8243]

I would just owe the car. I don't care about the latest and greatest. It's not worth the headache

[@user-nd7zn6cx3f]

@@judykuzmitz4585 buy older.....before all this crap.......make it run and keep it running.....also cheaper.

[@DuncanWilliamsOFFICIAL]

You're*

[@flashsentry1791]

Damage is already done.

[@yonostromo]

LexiNexis: "improving their driving and lower their risks" BS!! How come the insurance companies don't "improve" and lower their rates when everything is good?

[@TGWazoo1]

Lexus/Nexis is only a data broker. It’s actually pretty useful too. It’s literally like a library of information. If you do any type of research; medical, crime, science, news media, history, etc. it is an invaluable research tool.

[@stayinganonymous.3172]

​It is not worth the price of liberty. ​@@TGWazoo1

[@Tatura.]

@@TGWazoo1 Are you restarted?

[@hyperchuk]

​@TGWazoo1 In this case, it's not being used as an *AhEm* "research tool". It's being used as a punishment device. And you sort of sound like someone who might work for these monkeys.😂

[@us3rG]

​@@Tatura.🤣

[@qweenlyco]

There should be a MASS ACTION LAWSUIT against both the car companies participating and selling the data and Lexis Nexis!

[@mzpatintexas8329]

If you accept On Star...that is used to rate every inch you drive...most of these cars are high dollar cars that this happens,and it’s not only GM that does this.

[@hardingirls12]

Facts!!

[@13entley]

you have 0 rights and 0 privacy in US... sorry!

[@mellowd6085]

As a former agency owner I can tell you some carriers have been doing this for a while now. I had one poor customer that bought a used Silverado and couldn’t even get coverage due to the driving of the prior owner I went back and forth with underwriting for a week, they do not care

[@jayt-mac2074]

WOW?! These companies will sell anything!

[@AliceR27]

Wow, this sounds super illegal.

[@billwallace1177]

It's not. Read the fine print. End user license agreement

[@AliceR27]

@billwallace1177 It is ridiculous that we need "specific legislation" to spell out to certain industries that selling personal info is illegal. That is so incredibly absurd. It should be illegal across the board without specific "opt in" actions. Kind of like dumping cookies on your computers and phones where you have to go into every website and opt out.

[@JustMe-uu3bh]

it's insidious and evil but who cares right? if you have a smart phone, you are playing into their hands so there is still that to contend with - it's a luxury not a necessity so don't kid yourself..............temptation, remember...........

[@artoriasoftheabyss1575]

​@billwallace1177 yeah everybody reads that I'm sure 99.9 % of people read the fine print

[@mkjohnson7826]

I don’t know. Some of those horses look like FBI informants. lol/Jk

[@rex8255]

I like the part about assisting drivers to "improve their driving". IF they shared the data with the car owner, who seems to be the only one who DIDN'T get it.

[@campos3452]

lol you can’t even see over that dashboard. 😆

[@tmyoshimura621]

I’m glad to hear this issue is starting to mainstream

[@sassuki]

If you are called a consumer instead of customer, know that you are being screwed

[@sevensink1565]

Well said

[@CanVultus]

Customers ARE consumers…. Having an education is highly important.

[@sassuki]

@@CanVultus you need some education about language subtleties

[@CanVultus]

@@sassuki That was a nice try but you missed the mark considering words have meanings beyond your individual subjective perception of those words. You’re arguing personal opinions and preferences against actual established grammatical rules. You can make a word represent any perception you want but that doesn’t bring any value to the direct context and meaning of the word used. You need an education on words and their meanings. That would be definitions in case you don’t know. You should also try to figure out what definitive context is and maybe a little about synonymous parallelism and how it relates.

[@Londyn2828]

@@CanVultus You use a lot of big words you must be very smart🦉…A customer is obviously a consumer. A customer is also a human being. When companies forget that things like this happen. For example, how would you feel if the government called us by our social security number instead of our names? The word “consumer” is being used too much it’s kind of rude after a while.

[@Investigator86]

What a disaster. Greed knows no bounds.

[@OurFreeSociety]

It's not about greed, it's about control & killing us off. It's time to wake up.

[@EyeSeeThruYou]

💯

[@luckylokk3478]

There are way more evil people in this world than good people. And there is no limit to what a human being can do for money......this is a disgrace.

[@kylezo]

Just capitalist things.

[@RS-ov2st]

I think this is an invasion of privacy …I don’t think this should be legally allowed.

[@pishyp]

That's why I'll continue driving my vintage manual cars that don't have this kind of tech 😍🤗🤗

[@HDTube101]

"Customer Trust Is A Priority For Us" but only when we get caught. If you think they are the only one doing it, you better think again.

[@randomuserame]

Tesla is far worse, and still plans to do more. Although they already lost me when they wouldn't support *Right to Repair.* Meaning you never actually own it, you rent it; and you can only drive/recharge it at the company's pleasure. The fact that they "supposedly" want EVs to be the future, but won't allow any other EVs to charge on on Tesla chargers is a big "tell." They're exploiting rich people who want to feel like spending money is morally just. They're just farming coastal elites (and pretenders) who want to virtue signal about "caring about the environment." Which is literally the *_E_* in ESG.

[@user-nd7zn6cx3f]

if there is a buck to be made most companies will do it in a heartbeat.

[@ShawnLangford]

Exactly.

[@kellycarver2500]

I have been a targeted individual the last 30 years, and every American needs to HEAR MY STORY, because what the monsters did to ME, they are now doing to YOU ALL. When the criminal harassment by agents started in 87-88, they had a legit right to watch me. At the time, I was young and wild and dating a drug dealer. I stopped dating him and stopped all drug use in 88, but the harassment never stopped. They have tapped every phone, hacked every computer and criminally and repeatedly entered every home i have lived in during these years since. I now don't leave my home unless I hire a house sitter because the filthy agents refuse to STAY OUT OF MY HOME. I couldn't understand for years, WHY they were targeting me. I'm married, don't do anything illegal and am a Christian since 94. It wasn't until 2018 that I knew WHY. I was sick with a skin disorder that I am now convinced was another bioweapon being tested on us. I was examining my skin with a magnifier when i found strange, matching sets of holes in my inner wrists and knees. They looked like tiny tunnels, but couldn't be seen with the naked eye. I had no idea how they got in my skin, and I hadn't seen any doctors or taken any shots in years. So I got out a sterile needle and opened up those holes and took samples from them and viewed it under my microscope. (A hobby I have had many years.) I was speechless at what I found. I t was a clear, COMPUTERIZED GEL, and it was laid out in a ladder shaped grid system, that had tiny rice shaped batteries around it's outer perimeter. It had pine tree shaped antennas that had perfectly symmetrical branches with metallic looking little balls on the tip of every branch. It was slowly collapsing it's structure as it cooled to room temperature. I had never seen anything like it in my life. Finding this tech in my body explained many things I had wondered about the last twenty years. It explained why I heard a man's voice in my head sometimes. It explained why he pretended to be GOD that the things he said weren't always Godly. It explained why things got moved or hidden from me during my sleep, and why I was WATCHED CONSTANTLY through my OWN EYES. The FILTHY, DISGUSTING, LOWLIFE MONSTERS HAD HACKED MY BRAIN, and it was WORSE THAN RAPE! I told my local chief of police, when I reported finding it, that at least a woman can HEAL after being raped. There is no 'healing' from this, according to what Elon Musk says in his videos. He sells this stuff, though I cannot imagine why ANYONE in their right mind would EVER want it!! I found a picture of it right on DARPA'S website, under Obama Brain Initiative. I KNEW what would be in the vax when they said one was coming, and unfortunately, I was right. Dr Carrie Madej, and Dr Ricardo Delgado were some of the first to identify it in the shots. It's also in the masks/tests, and swabs, and NOW they are putting it in our FOOD/BEV AND MILK!!! I am here to tell you that this absolutely EVIL tech from HELL is FAR MORE than 'gene therapy'!!! It lets the filthy monsters see and hear every thought we have! It lets them talk to us mentally. It lets them even TAKE OVER OUR BODY during certain stages of sleep, and use OUR BODY to do whatever they WANT TO, and we have little or no memory of it, much less any CONTROL OVER IT! PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE SICK FREAKS ARE DOING TO US, and they MUST be stopped! I wouldn't do this to an ANIMAL, because even animals have a RIGHT to have PRIVATE THOUGHTS between them and GOD. They are also now putting this tech in all animal shots as well, HACKING ALL LIVING THINGS, so they can be REMOTE CONTROLLED by the sick freaks WHO THINK THEY ARE GOD! THIS TECHNOLOGY IS STRAIGHT OUT OF HELL ITSELF and the monsters MUST be held accountable for what they have done and are continuing to do! NOBODY HAD A RIGHT TO DO THIS TO ME OR ANYONE ELSE! NOBODY! EVER! The filthy monsters have been in MY BED, MY BATH, and MY BRAIN, the last TWENTY YEARS! Watching me through MY OWN EYES, while I bathed, changed clothes, any and everything, they SAW IT. HOW WOULD YOUI FEEL ABOUT BEING RAPED THIS WAY? I sure hope you didn't take the shots, use the other things, and God forbid you been drinking any MILK!! This stuff is called NEURAL LACE/HYDROGEL. Graphene oxide and polymer based tech that is straight out of Hell itself. Musk says it attaches to nerves and grows INTO the brain, and that it is PERMANENT. I pray to God he is wrong because I truly want my HUMANITY BACK! And he is LYING when he says that it cannot be injected through a normal needle, because it CAN if it is cold enough. It SHRINKS when it gets cold. It also doesn't need a CHIP, either, because it could easily make it's OWN! The stuff acts ALIVE in the body. Absolutely fascinating to watch. They are now putting this horror in animal shots, and other shots as well. NO MORE SHOTS, PPL, FOR ANY LIVING THING! DO NOT ALLOW THEM! They are also putting this stuff in our foods/bev and milk. Boiling or baking seems to disable it, but this needs done in professional labs to be verified. I will gladly answer any questions you may have. These monsters love to torture and kill helpless, innocent little animals and the freaks tortured and killed FOUR of my greatly loved little dogs. The last one, my favorite, was tortured EVERY MONTH for over NINE YEARS, before we busted the agents using our CELL PHONE to put out the frequencies that were CAUSING those seizures. We busted them RED HANDED, and there is no denying what they are doing. They were using FREQUENCIES to tweak the brain, CAUSING the seizures, and other death causing things. I call it RIFE IN REVERSE, because it is. I also call it the UNHOLY GHOST, because Satan mimics everything God does, in reverse. They finally killed him Thanksgiving Day of 22, after making him go BLIND, causing organ failure, and shocking him every couple hours the last two days, till he couldn't hold out any more, and died in my arms. People, please don't sleep by anything digital, and keep your animals away from them as well! We also busted them hacking our washer/dryer outlet, and gas stove, so keep your appliances UNPLUGGED when not using them! If you hear any device making a strange or unusual sound, BLOCK IT by coughing, whistling, clapping, etc. and shut the device off FAST AS POSSIBLE. You should also keep a hammer or glass breaker in your front seat while driving, as some have reported their loved ones were locked in their vehicles before being incinerated, as in Lahaina attacks. Also keep your kids CLOSE at all times, and do NOT trust ANY govt agents as they cannot be trusted now.

[@ifareaged]

Customer trust is a priority for us until we get caught 🤣🤣😂 These companies aren't serious at all

[@ryanpaez]

You’re basically sitting inside a mobile computer

[@fredneecher1746]

Anything with the word "smart" in it is to be avoided.

[@CH-vv2hr]

Welp, time for a class action lawsuit! It is the only way they will learn!

[@davidhowell1415]

I’m 99% sure they use forced arbitration and the owner agreed to it when they purchased the vehicle. This is why you always read the terms of service.

[@KrazyKano]

Or maybe stop driving like a uncontrollable monkey

[@Firebacon1gg]

​@@davidhowell1415and thays why im 99% sure because I have read cases online about these scroll and accept contracts like in videogams never have held up in court. So yeah that class action suit if high enough in money will make the company change it not 100% change it or get rid of it but modify it because the company still want that info that $.

[@michaelbaja1854]

@@davidhowell1415 There should be an Opt-Out for sharing data.

[@stayinganonymous.3172]

​@@davidhowell1415who has a week to read through all that legal jargon? Most are simple folk...

[@RoughNeckDelta]

You can be sure your rates will NEVER be lowered because of a good report.

[@GrimJerr]

Even if you don't have On Star, onboard computers store information that can be used by law enforcement, or insurance companies to monitor your driving.

[@dauntlessasmr7910]

Never should have been shared in the first place! Dad used to be a loyal GM customer back in the day. If he were still alive, he'd be absolutely disgusted.

[@ganymeade5151]

It used to matter back then.

[@thetruthk5138]

Should have bought a Ford

[@MelissaR784]

I think with every company the Government bails out, has strings attached, giving the government more control over it. The more the government try to run it, the crappier the service gets. Like with the airlines.

[@anthonydoyle7370]

I remember about twelve years ago I read a report that the UK gov mandated that all new vehicles must have one of these computers built in by 2017. It was one of those laws that were brought in quietly and under the guise of safety regulations.

[@SAN_E7]

It’s not just the car, it’s insurance too. Don’t get any “Drive Safe” insurance programs that require tracking.

[@gemnilocs]

Exactly! They have you install apps on your phone or devices in the car in the guise of a discount on your insurance….

[@jaytee2642]

Yep!!! When I changed states and called Allstate to update my insurance info, I was offered the option of using an app that would record my speed, and I could get a discount. My response: And what if I'm a passenger and the driver is speeding? The app isn't going to know the difference. He admitted that there was no way to account for that possibility. Guess who doesn't have the Allstate app on her phone? 🙋🏻‍♀️👈🏼

[@alb12345672]

@@jaytee2642 I am a speedskater and my premiums tripled. I stop on a dime on rollerblades. Also said I drive careless. Screw those apps. It is always on your record.

[@naturelover2292]

I told state farm h… no you want track me to save a few dollars

[@greghale717]

@@jaytee2642 you can go into the app and state who is the driver or passenger. Geico, state farm apps have the ability to change WHO was driving in the event.

[@TheGodParticle]

Damn!! I'm glad I've got a old banger with over a hundred thousand miles on the clock. This really is 1984...

[@douglaswilliams1081]

WOW this is crazy!

[@turbosube5083]

If customer privacy was a priority they wouldn’t have sold the data in the first place. What a great way to build trust and loyalty.

[@unclerhombus]

Bingo!

[@JusticeAlways]

Glad I drive a 28 year old vehicle...😊

[@FarleyMan151]

Mine is a 2006 :)

[@user-kq7gi7eh1s]

Me too second class petty officer 😜

[@iheartlofi]

Mine is Toyota Corolla 1997!

[@blast4me754]

2009 Accord here..

[@bobbadham261]

Just cannot beat old school & it's possible to tinker but not with these new laptops with wheels tho!!

[@leopadilla3893]

absolutely outrageous

[@bigjohn2811]

That's nothing, my smart car calls me the gamer word.

[@mikem9612]

Welcome to the life of a Truck Driver. Hit the brakes hard and the manager calls you in.

[@gtsound12]

Wow

[@TheLast-One]

That's understandable since you're driving as part of your job, not for pleasure. Many work vehicles have tracking devices.

[@sammysam486]

Also following too closely

[@Executnr]

Depends on the company an how new a driver you are

[@mikem9612]

@jamesmorton4976 yup.

[@OpenRoader]

While politicians fight each other, we get F'd by the corporations AGAIN!

[@matt9c1]

So, are you going to run for a public office to make a difference or just be a keyboard warrior and just whine and cry about it?

[@monicasmith7050]

Correction: Some politicians are fighting for us. Other politicians are on the corporate teat!

[@nachobroryan8824]

Yes, they're fighting each other for the corporate bribes.

[@tias.6675]

No, while Y'ALL fight each other over color, 15 year old tweets, and other silly things.

[@UvaldeSalter-hh1ej]

@OpenRoader they in on it

[@PJHLR]

GM only said that they would not share data with the listed comanies (Lexus Nexus, etc.). They did NOT say that they will not share or sell your data with someone else! What is missing here is the customer's ability to Opt Out! That is the federal law we need.

[@polka_dot]

Found out ours had a setting that tracked our driving on our GM Vehicle. I turned it off as soon as I found out. Before turning it off, the report said driver wears seatbelt 85% of the time. It was counting driverless carwash driving which we frequent. Hard stops and fast acceleration is necessary for safety in certain situations.

[@airmanma]

I used to work for Rollins Inc, the company that owns Terminix. All their vehicles have this. They only allow 3 hard stops per month. Each time you do a hard stop, you have to have a reason why you did it. They also track how long you are stopped, and where you are at. Some losers in the main office have nothing better to do other than track all the dots on their monitors. Big brother is definitely here.

[@jerwin2804]

This hard braking is a big reason why more people run lights. It's ridiculous, I didn't hit anything, so why does it matter!?

[@BlekSheep_1]

I worked for Terminix from '99-2004 ...before this junk. I probably did 3 "hard stops" a DAY. It's crazy now how everything is manipulated for profit. People committing insurance fraud have not helped the situation 😒

[@acer4237]

Usually a result from one slacker that messed it up for everyone else

[@contessa.adella]

I drove a delivery van for a firm that supplies auto repair shops with car parts for ten years up to 2015. They introduced a chain wide scheme to reduce the corporate vehicle insurance by having a spy box monitor employees driving. It was so laughably over sensitive even the branch management realised it was impractical. Just driving along with other town traffic had the monitor flashing red lights in the van and reporting back to the depot. To keep the display green you had to drive like a horse and cart, cornering very gently and hardly braking at all. Town traffic did not appreciate the granny driving we had to do. Best of all it sometimes it misread its GPS, and once pinpointed me as driving across a golf course😂. What a total waste of time…but worse, until local management realised how inaccurate and crappy this system was, several drivers had embarrassing reprimands for “unsafe driving” putting their employment at risk.

[@niggaflies]

@@BlekSheep_1It’s not about insurance fraud it’s about raising rates and justifying it.

[@user-lq6kq3tm9y]

Brought a 😢 to my eye with your truth, thank you sister.

[@TruthAndLight4995]

On star should reimburse her . . . She didn’t pay them to betray her!! 🤬

[@KayDejaVu]

In their disclosures they tell you about your info being shared.

[@FortWorthRaised]

My only concern with her complaints (it’s just the dad in me talking) is every time they showed her behind the wheel, she didn’t put her seatbelt on. The insurance companies are gonna have a field day with that.

[@shawcobra]

Betray? They have no loyalty to her or anyone... Just money 💰 💰

[@Gonefishing6572]

GM NOW STANDS FOR GANGSTER MOVES😂😂

[@phoenixvette]

My 2001 Corvette will never be sold. 450hp, stick shift and NO data collecting.

[@David-qo7lz]

They are tracking your every move. Insurance companies suck.

[@greenbyrd3665]

Yup.Don't mind taking those premium payments, but don't want to pay a dime when you need them!

[@sd906238]

Finds out her medical insurance goes up because her car snicks on her every time she goes to McDonald's.

[@truthteller4442]

Insurance companies aren’t selling your data. CAR COMPANIES are.

[@frizzlefry1921]

Most corporations are garbage sell you out for a nickel...

[@David-qo7lz]

@@truthteller4442 Insurance companies are buying the information.

[@DRek903]

Man this is a complete unauthorized invasion of privacy

[@ec9833]

Oh but the law doesn’t cover it cuz tech is too fast to evolve 🙄🙄🙄

[@willia3r]

Too bad there is no explicit constitutional right to privacy.

[@etx8920]

AmeriKKKa is a genocidal occupation

[@CraftAero]

It's fully authorized, by the buyer... when they sign the contract.

[@etx8920]

@@willia3r 4th, 10th and 14th amendments including even in the constitutiom there are protections

[@rukus100821]

I knew that for a long time. All you do is take out the bridge between the computers and OnStar won't communicate anymore through your system