Is Youtube Killing Twitch

[@skibbidisleuth9732]

It's crazy how being a bad company can end up killing your company Maybe the twitch executives should look into that

[@dontreadprofilephoto1728]

Dont read my name.........Dont read my name.........

[@CJ-42070]

@@dontreadprofilephoto1728 ok I won't

[@KunjaBihariKrishna]

Going the way of Vice

[@olyviermonteau4300]

@卐-Chadimir_Putin-卐 i know this is a bot but: says chadimir putin. With a symbol that should ban someone or something on youtube but NOPE!

[@barten1244]

bro i just got twitch recently 😭

[@shahhaque5242]

it is still so surprising that after all this time, KZbin never considered to update their chat overlay ever since they have implemented livestreaming options into the site. I really do hope they do this if they are seriously going to consider competing against twitch

[@dksbh8342]

Yes well look how long twitch had there first chat overlay... along time and it was terrible... it will get better

[@MementoTurtle]

Twitch is shooting their self in the foot, I don't think KZbin will even need to compete

[@FrostDrift69]

@@MementoTurtle Big facts, twitch is ran by Bozos.

[@ThatGuy-hu9mt]

They probably are working on it at the moment, just that they’re probably trying to polish it and it’s probably gonna take a fair amount of months, if not years-assuming it’s been put into production

[@methatron3002]

Keyword in streaming

[@harwinkle1440]

Not only can KZbin ads be skipped, if you miss something you can back it up 30 seconds Twitch's ads are so intrusive I often turn it off to find something else to do

[@Capnamerica84]

That's why I put my ads on minimum on Twitch. 1 ad of 15seconds an hour I believe.

[@WzDk13]

@@Capnamerica84 why dont you just use adblock i dont get it do people not know it exists?

[@kameronjones7139]

@@WzDk13 so they don't screw over the people they are watching for free

[@jbbrolic]

Brave browser zero ads, ever

[@chronosbat]

@@WzDk13 Ads still show up even with am adblock.

[@x511100x]

KZbin is also killing KZbin

[@Diedqra]

ME ENCANTA FOLAR Y EYACUULLAR EN LA NOVIA DE Penguinz0 PORQUE SUBO BANGERS!! 😂👌 (translate pls)

[@David_Jones8112]

So is Nikocado Avocado.

[@dontreadprofilephoto1728]

Dont read my name........

[@nolan8859]

Yup

[@dontreadprofilephoto1728]

Dont read my name........

[@RagingCookie127]

It's a shame that both KZbin and Twitch are terribly ran.

[@zainsyed3928]

youtube is at least a little better ran

[@sk-ig4wt]

youtube is bad but still better than twitch and that says a lot

[@zainsyed3928]

@@sk-ig4wt the move is honestly odysee

[@NotWendy3]

Yeah, picking between two evils will never feel good.

[@thug_a_la_fraise885]

totaly agree. Both platforms have become worse and worse since they have been bought by google and amazon

[@milkinobama]

It’s quite impressive that KZbin is simultaneously killing twitch and itself at once

[@StuffandThings_]

I guess you could say that this situation involves a double edged sword, which KZbin clearly doesn't know how to wield

[@mage1439]

@@StuffandThings_ KZbin is like if Darth Maul didn't know how to handle a lightsaber and sliced himself and Qui-Gon at the same time.

[@kvdrr]

KZbin is far from killing itself, unless you mean PR only

[@thepowerofmyth]

KZbin is growing still in profits 😂

[@BlueSmash_404]

@@mage1439 lmao

[@MoonWielder]

I strongly agree with you on the ads part on Twitch, Charlie. As you said, we should definitely be provided a choice to have a button to skip ads like on KZbin. It's just so obnoxious to deal with when you are trying to watch your favorite streamer on Twitch.

[@Isaac-ue7dd]

@Walter Bamgs you are deranged

[@shenhe_best_girl5351]

trihard 7 just adblock bro

[@fracture4047]

I usually watch fighting game tournaments on twitch and the major issue I have is that whenever there is a tense moment or grand finals, the moment is stripped away by 2 minutes of ads right in the middle of the action

[@MothOnFire]

@Walter Bamgs so the pride and accomplishment of getting to watch a Twitch stream?

[@Lysergic_]

@Walter Bamgs it's all opinion wdym he doesn't know what he's saying? He knows exactly what he's saying as he's the one consuming the media. Most people don't like ads. Its a simple fact, and I've never been pumped up from watching an ad. It doesn't build up anything other than annoyance.

[@sir.hopper]

Regarding midroll ads on KZbin, a content creator also has the ability to choose specifically WHEN the ad plays during their video, which works amazingly because they can put the ad breaks at natural stopping points so the flow of their video doesn't get messed up.

[@nggodplayer9383]

You can also do that on twitch but the thing is you get paid like 1/3 the amount than if you just let twitch do it for you

[@muddabuwshi6510]

@@nggodplayer9383 bruh

[@mcbuttstuff]

@@nggodplayer9383 that’s stupid

[@krazyxki]

@@nggodplayer9383 Such a silly decision!!!

[@hushhushkitten]

He really hit the nail on the head when it comes to Twitch advertising. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve clicked onto a Twitch stream then immediately left because I didn’t feel like waiting through long ads.

[@clash_king1025]

I never watch twitch VODs because they make me watch 3 30 second ads in a row before I even get to see the streamers “stream starting soon” screen. There are things I like about twitch but VODs are definitely not one of them And also I watch twitch on mobile…. Which comes with its own issues….

[@nerdstop5025]

@@clash_king1025 as a small streamer myself, that's why I've started posting my vods onto KZbin, for that and the fact that they won't disappear after a week.

[@mryellow6918]

All I want to do is browse to find somone I like. And it makes it impossible

[@clash_king1025]

@@nerdstop5025 That’s another thing about them that pisses me off the fact the VODs are gone after a week I can’t believe I forgot about that. I was so mad about the ads I forgot if I don’t decide to watch them in a week I’ll miss it completely

[@nerdstop5025]

@@clash_king1025 if you have Amazon prime, they stay up for a month 🙃

[@ValueNetwork]

They just added a live tab today for creators that live stream, it’s not perfect for discoverability, but it definitely helps create actual live streamers as something separate from KZbin!

[@Diedqra]

ME ENCANTA FOLAR Y EYACUULLAR EN LA NOVIA DE Penguinz0 PORQUE SUBO BANGERS!! 😂👌 (translate pls)

[@TheInfiniteVoid]

@YeaMan is paige your sister?

[@dontreadprofilephoto1728]

Dont read my name.........

[@NopWorks]

I love that "Live" tab on the homepage. KZbin also already has pages dedicated to each games. All they need is create a dedicated page that showcases livestreams recommended for me along with a list of games & topics .

[@ls200076]

Eyo, thanks for the tip.

[@DominicDore]

Can you imagine if YT Premium gave you a free membership to any channel that has it enabled? It would be just like prime subs, and they would probably get more subscribers. Nothing more enticing than the ad-free KZbin experience with additional benefits.

[@discount1493]

ad blockers exist for a reason

[@darianstarfrog]

@@discount1493 ya get more than that bud

[@Stoicbirch]

The most valuable thing you missed about youtube ads... IF YOU'VE RECENTLY SEEN AN AD, BUT DECIDED TO CHANGE VIDEOS, YOU WILL NOT BE SHOWN ANOTHER.

[@Velternate]

Another valuable thing about KZbin ads: you never have to watch them.

[@kusanagi-no-tachi5303]

@@Velternate Yup yup, you absolutely have the right to refuse watching them. Twitch, however, is akin to a dictator in a walled off dystopian city/nation where the citizens are brainwashed into thinking they're the last surviving humans when, really, the outside world exists and it's thriving.

[@hihey229]

Yeah this has NOT been my experience. So often I'll accidentally switch to the next video trying to fast forward, then they hit me with another set of ads, and the moment I switch back I have to watch yet more ads for the video I already watched ads for. Ad density might be regional. I haven't gotten nearly as many ads when vacationing in some countries.

[@rezurrekt6471]

I always hated when something cool is happening inside a stream then i randomly get hit with 2 minutes of ads and i miss the best part after watching for an hour, its absolutely an awful experience

[@Mr.Brothybear]

Who shit in your cereal?

[@zz7073]

@@Mr.Brothybear Twitch probably. Shit service.

[@RenFlames]

That’s why you stop being cheap and subscribe

[@Lunathelunarian]

@@RenFlames thanks never thought about that before

[@RenFlames]

@@Lunathelunarian no prob glad I could help out

[@Floris_VI]

I really hope twitch stays or becomes strong competition, youtube already has a monopoly on everything else video related and we REALLY need youtube to have competition

[@thug_a_la_fraise885]

twitch will remain a good competitor if and only if they stop doing the shit that they are right now. They have to be clear about what happens to people who violate the TOS and be more consistant regarding the way they apply their rules. When you see a chick having sex on stream and get a 1 week ban and other guys get a definitive ban for way less, it's not hard to see why people are leaving. KZbin isn't great either but at least they are eaqually bad to content creators and you know what to expect from them

[@WilliamJay]

That is the only reason I want twitch to survive. As someone who doesn't interact much with chat and mainly watches on mobile, KZbin is an objectively better platform.

[@xPhantomxify]

The day Twitch prime ends, is when KZbin wins

[@serily4524]

Wrong, twitch is a garbage platform that should fall.

[@Floris_VI]

@@serily4524 yeah, you need a lesson in how modern capitalism works lol

[@AYJ]

Twitch is killing itself due to being bias against content creators, specially with the recent controversy

[@joshjo9405]

A bitch got railed on Twitch 7 day ban

[@nathandrake3418]

Really couldn’t add the extra “e” to especially could ya

[@liquidtv1720]

Like Jidion for example

[@AYJ]

@@liquidtv1720 exactly

[@AYJ]

@@nathandrake3418 not sure bro, English is my 4rth language

[@MoistWontons]

What he says about the twitch preroll ads is SO accurate. The amount of times I just leave a channel because I don't feel like dealing with the ads.

[@mandyone5284]

@LakehuntZPoggies bro you have no videos what?

[@Furiac.]

It's like the opposite of the endless scrolling model of TikTok or Instagram. When you try to find new things to watch on their platform they try to make you leave.

[@boopinoop4545]

Another thing streaming on KZbin has over streaming on twitch is the fact that KZbin isn’t exclusively a live streaming site. This aids creators to have more people watch their content because of the added amount of people who prefer watching a normal pre recorded video to watching live streams. It also gives creator the ability to make more content for their audience when not streaming. Not to mention the fact that people tend only watch a creators content on one given site, so if all of the stuff they do is in one place, it just means more people will watch the thing that was on another site

[@tessierrr]

You can do all that while streaming on twitch too 🤣

[@wazsan]

@@tessierrr sure but KZbin has more leniency with tos so vods for example are more better for the creator to upload and not edit vs twitches dogshit tos. Not that yt is perfect or anything but still.

[@boopinoop4545]

@@tessierrr don’t you need to be an affiliate to be able to post pre edited videos to twitch? Where as with KZbin you can just do that from the moment you make your channel. Also I’ve never heard about this feature on twitch until you brought it up so that’s kinda telling that no one ever talks about it

[@championzeme3141]

The truth is that Twitch has had a bad rep for years on years 😭 but now some of the mainstream YT is calling it out better and more 💯🙏

[@Diedqra]

ME ENCANTA FOLAR Y EYACUULLAR EN LA NOVIA DE Penguinz0 PORQUE SUBO BANGERS!! 😂👌 (translate pls)

[@dontreadprofilephoto1728]

Dont read my name........

[@9008-k1kMZ]

Agreed with that fax’s

[@dontreadprofilephoto1728]

Dont read my name........

[@OfficialExplosionMusic]

@YeaMan the music on my page is better than YeaMan lol

[@pieman6178]

When you have less restrictive and unbiased rules that you enforce equally across your platform you will attract much more creators. It’s not shock that KZbin stream is rapidly growing and will overtake Twitch soon. Twitch did it to themselves, this is much deserved karma over the long term Edit: KZbin as a plot form still has a lot of improvement to do and room to grow to catch up to twitch but if done right will be the dominate platform hands down

[@Mr.SoggyShoes]

@Kavetion 💀

[@Yawnsixx]

As bad as twitch may be as far as the management of the platform goes, I 100% agree it sucks. But the sad part that makes me have little to no motivation to leave twitch still, is that twitch's monitization requirements are TREMENDOUSLY easier than youtubes. The algorithm has even been Tremendously better in my experience. KZbin is absolutely TERRIBLE at getting new content creators work out there in my 5 years of experience, vs where I have grown to the same level it took 5 years to grow on KZbin on Twitch in only half a year. KZbin's monitization requirements are HARSH as well, damn near IMPOSSIBLE for new creators to reach within any amount of time that won't take several years off their life just for a CHANCE you may not fail and not have to start the requirements list ALL OVER AGAIN. This factor alone, at least for people who aim to make streaming a career, makes Twitch, as flawed as it is, still INFINITELY better than KZbin.

[@joshjo9405]

A bitch got railed on Twitch 7 day ban KZbin: non age restricted uncensored gay porn

[@4Curses]

Good joke. "unbiased rules that you enforce equally" You are really saying that after the whole Cory-thing? I rather have some simps that go light on a bunch of woman, than racists and bigots that demonetize content based on size or skin color of a creator.

[@arandomcommenter412]

KZbin is definitely unbiased, they’ll content strike you for no reason no matter who you are!

[@Kyublitz]

"The main thing it's missing is discoverability", which I do agree with KZbin lacking, I do think Twitch lacks it even worse. I've been streaming on twitch for longer than streaming on KZbin and I have a really hard time growing on twitch by streaming. People usually have a hard time finding me due to my low concurrent view count, when you have a low concurrent view count, you'll be pushed down in the list of Twitch view section on the game you're playing, if you have an average of 0-5 viewers, you'll basically be on the bottom of the list and it's really difficult to grow up from there without anyone finding you through other platforms or you having a connection with bigger streamers. KZbin, on the other hand, you can be streaming as you would be on Twitch but you can also make content between streams to get yourself out there more, you can make unique content or even turn your previous streams to highlights, and eventually, the KZbin algorithm will pick you up after you kept on working. You might gotta experiment more on KZbin than what you'll be doing on Twitch, but eventually, it'll pay off! Hopefully, KZbin bring back the 2017ish style of KZbin Gaming UI (Which was very similar to Twitch UI) and remodel it into something like "KZbin Streaming" and have diverse category depending on stream types similar to how Twitch have them.

[@aisha8665]

Yeah this is true. I have been recommended channels with less than or around 1k subscribers at times too. I've found a few small channels that i really love this way. It's definitely better than twitch. They just need to fix all their age restriction and copyright issues

[@mazarine_44]

Oooh, there’s where I disagree. I follow a lot of my friends on twitch, which might have an effect on my recommendations, but I find more

[@Goodmanperson55]

I've noticed in the past month or so that KZbin has been pushing some

[@vexx12343]

Great observation!

[@antonovsiannikov4547]

@@aisha8665 and also bots

[@dang9668]

I think YT is more accessible to all people where twitch can feel like there’s some sort of social barrier to cross, like instagram or twitter.

[@thinkhector]

Yeah, but Twitter has porn. KZbin and Twitch would never allow it. Well okay, Twitch allowed it one time recently.

[@nicosmidt7347]

True twitch viewers are super cringy and whatnot

[@dang9668]

@卐-Chadimir_Putin-卐 WAT

[@L3monsta]

@@dang9668 it's a bot. report and move on

[@fullmetal_3961]

@@nicosmidt7347 KZbin viewers are just as bad L M A O

[@WraxTV]

"You can't really start as a streamer on KZbin." You can't really start as a streamer on Twitch either. Discoverability is god awful no matter what. You'll be buried by the deluge of competition streaming the same game you are, unless you stream a game no one has heard of. It's not like 10 years ago, as someone who tried streaming a couple of years ago after taking like a 5 year break, the difference between then and now is night and day. I don't think it's changed since the last time I tried either, considering how badly Drew Gooden's streaming career went when he intentionally didn't tell his audience about it and tried to grow organically.

[@StuffandThings_]

I've vaguely considered content creation (not on this account of course) but I know basically nothing about video creation *and* the environment is just awful right now for it. Too much of a time and energy commitment and I know it wouldn't be just a fun side project like I'd wish. I doubt things will change for quite some time, right now people see it as a golden opportunity if they get lucky even though even top streamers don't exactly have enviable jobs. The market is flooded with bad content and a lot of people are hopelessly romantic about that sort of career.

[@grunkleg.2934]

Just stream a game no one else is. No need to be a Twitch Ambulance Chaser

[@Providence..]

@Muscleman8562 Holy shit, it's not a bot!

[@RockieMeowMeow]

@@grunkleg.2934 Yea that’s what I do and it’s the only reason I have people on stream

[@alxndra1772]

I feel like it is a lot easier to build an audience making KZbin videos than it is to stream on any platform. I know I’m more likely to watch a KZbin video from a small channel than watch a small streamer.

[@beezypz]

The ad problem with twitch is very real. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve been up late and pull up twitch and go to a stream just to get 5 minutes of unskippable ads, and I just end up going to sleep lmao.

[@spiritfirefox8894]

Or with small streamers like my uncle who gets 3-6 ads at random intervals being intrusive

[@ARTSONICFAN990]

Im with Charlie on the Pre-roll Ads on both Twitch & KZbin. Most KZbin Ads are skippable but you can't skip Twitch Ads... Especially when you click on a stream only for an ad or 2 to pop up in just a few seconds.

[@sandile377]

I don't use twitch because I get 5 or 6 unskippable ads

[@NoEphingIdea]

KZbin is rolling out unskippable pre roll ads now lmao

[@xbon1]

@@sandile377 use extensions

[@HyperCozmics]

Another thing to think about, if someone has youtube premium, you will get no ads at all. No matter what stream. While on Twitch, you have to subscribe to each streamer for no ads. So if you only watch 1 person on Twitch, you do get more value (at tier 1 sub), but if you subscribe to 2 people on twitch, you are basically paying the same as youtube premium. Which is much worth since KZbin isn't a only streaming service.

[@XBravo1CharlieX]

Twitch has something called Twitch turbo that they hide and make it hard to find but it does the same thing as KZbin premium and turbo is 7 dollars per month

[@HyperCozmics]

@@XBravo1CharlieX oh I didn’t even know about this. Thanks for bringing it to my attention! But what I read is 8.99$ per month. Which is cheaper, the only downside I think is you don’t get the emotes from subscribing to someone, and also sub-only chat. But having no ads will really help the viewing experience. Imo, youtube premium is still better but that prob because I use youtube way more than twitch.

[@smallfryskilledge1550]

@@HyperCozmics as far as I am aware youtube premium doesn’t give you sub only (member) emotes or sub only (member) chat either.

[@harnageaa]

@@XBravo1CharlieX the only difference with youtube premium is that it offer 'more', that's why more expensive. I pay like $8 (more expensive other countries) but I can have no ads + I can play youtube music anywhere that otherwise would either not work properly (like spotify free). So premium on youtube is like having, spotify + twitch turbo (at the same time) E.g: I have google products (google nest hub/mini/etc) and without premium they don't let you play on more than 2 devices at the same time . The idea is that seems more useful youtube premium than twitch turbo in terms of usability

[@Skyye_dior]

Yt premium *

[@victoriarousee]

This is off topic but at 6:35 the corner chart matches perfectly with his window

[@Ruuinx]

My biggest gripe with twitch is when you click a stream and have to sit thru minutes of ads before getting to the actual stream, plus if you swap to a different stream in the middle of the ad run it resets the duration making it just so tedious

[@gamist8166]

I can agree, as a non-twitch viewer, its not cause I don't like livestreams. It's because I like seeing what content I wanna watch, and see if I wanna stay there for more than 30 seconds. I can't tell what content I wanna watch instantly, and they wanna supply an ad for every check I would do. Unlucky for them, guess im watching this on youtube lol

[@thezackast2752]

@Necrotron Commenting The fact that you say this automatically makes your content worse. Grow up yourself, and don't try to beg for views.

[@RyokoEarth]

I watch twitch on my laptop on my bed, one of the worst feelings is rolling over and accidentally clicking a stream I have no interest in watching and getting stunlocked by ads (at least before I started Adblock)

[@InfecSoul]

​@@thezackast2752 isn't that just a bot?

[@amai-w8f]

@@thezackast2752 There is no way people grew that stupid on this day and age on the internet to the point they try to talk to bots like you and get likes on

[@thezackast2752]

@@InfecSoul yeah. Sometimes they reply though.

[@Krysisbliss]

As a small affiliate streamer, I have seriously considered streaming on KZbin. Even if I lose the following, I would much rather have more fun and not have people wait forever in the beginning of my streams waiting on ads. That’s not why I do streaming. I do it to share the love and jokes with everybody! And I think most small streamers can relate to that, twitch has been kinda thorn in the side for me personally.

[@RookyLobster447]

honestly twitch needs this they’ve needed a swift kick in the balls for so long and their finally getting it

[@ice8776]

theyll survive and come back better.

[@RookyLobster447]

@@ice8776 I doubt they will come back any better but I don’t doubt they will survive they have had such a long history of being sexist and doing stupid shit that just embarrasses them they won’t change it’s just like KZbin nothing changes it only gets worse

[@ice8776]

@@RookyLobster447 some websites have saved themselves, hopefully if their wallet hurts enough it can push them to. But youre right it’s unlikely

[@PandyEX.]

@@ice8776 nah they have amazon backing them so they will just keep acting like they have unlimited money, which they don't. Eventually amazon is going to have to sell twitch or shut it down. If they do sell it it would be cool to see yt buy twitch so they could just make twitch into yt live.

[@Rondobondohondo]

@@PandyEX. I would rather that KZbin didn't get an even stronger grip on this market, they aren't known for great decision making either, though they are certainly better than twitch mods at the moment

[@gandpork]

Honestly if KZbin can just fix it’s algorithm problems, it’s copyright systems, and how and when videos get taken down I think it’ll hold a total monopoly on creator made videos

[@thinkhector]

KZbin doesn't have an "algorithm" problem per se. They are just pushing some content and surpressing others on purpose now instead of being neutral like before.

[@Jack9C]

Twitch and KZbin are used for different things because they are different platforms (different purposes). Twitch has been a loss for Amazon since it was acquired and is purely an engine to generate/continue Amazon Prime memberships. Believing that KZbin can kill Twitch is just plain wrong. KZbin hurts twitch a little, but KZbin will never give creators robust APIs for game-specific content because KZbin isn't just whatever-KZbin-wants-to-be. KZbin is Google's content platform with known ad revenue economics and they haven't had to build much on that product, in a decade. The programmatic APIs that enhance games and streaming are a necessary pre-requisite, which has been a lesson learned within Twitch. Google will never integrate that kind of control into KZbin, much less sink a bunch of money into yet-another-money-loser. A dedicated streaming platform with different rules and controls would have to be a different service, so we're back to talking about what would Google risk/develop to get a service that will be a net loss (without some sort of bait, like Amazon prime)? There is nothing, so youtube is stuck in it's current form. These videos about KZbin vs Twitch seem completely out of touch with the realities they were born of and exist within.

[@gandpork]

@@Jack9C I don’t know what most of that meant but it sounds smart so I’m going to agree lmao

[@TornaitSuperBird]

@@gandpork In simpler terms: There's a lot of games that have Twitch integration directly in them (for example, members of chat could vote on stuff that would directly influence what's actually going on in the game, even without the streamer's control). Also uhh, something about Google not wanting to take the risk of doing shit like that unless it's guaranteed to make them a fuckton more money.

[@FreeKippy]

If youtube adds a separate easy-to-use tab for streaming, kinda like the youtube shorts tab, to make it easier to find new streamers I think many more people will move to youtube from Twitch.

[@tokcnyecko6055]

@LakehuntZPoggies "I was raped (why i stopped making videos)" yeah its way better content for sure. gg

[@nokiablockia7589]

@@tokcnyecko6055 it’s a bot just report it and move on

[@Kyublitz]

They had that in 2017 KZbin Gaming, wish they brought it back

[@DjMines]

I stopped streaming on twitch for 2 reasons. 1) the ads. It has become ridiculous on twitch. 30-60 second forced ads 2) people generally just watch the top streamers and makes it difficult to grow. KZbin in my experience has been 100x easier to grow on because yt videos are always out there. Then u build an audience and when u live stream it's great

[@DatAsianGuy]

yeah, the only way to grow somewhat, and that is limited in itself, is to do something niche on twitch.

[@Thekitty0706fan]

The ads thing hits the nail on the head. I usually watch RTgame's videos of his streams here on youtube, and one time saw he was live on twitch and wanted to tune in. But when i instead got an ad that was like 1:13 long that i couldn't skip i just left immediately.

[@tr4sh37]

The fact that I can rewind KZbin Live streams and then play them 2x speed or slower makes it so much better than Twitch imo to watch games.

[@TheresLiterallyNothingHere]

The FOMO you get when you are watching chat go off on Twitch while you're watching two whole minutes of ads

[@Diedqra]

ME ENCANTA FOLAR Y EYACUULLAR EN LA NOVIA DE Penguinz0 PORQUE SUBO BANGERS!! 😂👌 (translate pls)

[@dontreadprofilephoto1728]

Dont read my name........

[@jonnyb7283]

As a twitch affiliate I hate being forced to run ads. Yes I “make money” but my 4 viewers are not making you any money. Like they need to understand that small guys get killed by the amount of ads they want us to run.

[@redboom2936]

It would be so sick if there was a live YT tab visible as you enter the platform. Honestly they just need a big quality of life update and YT gaming is easily on top, the chat is definitely in need of an update but honestly I don't necessarily even need emotes, more so less jittery.

[@BuyMyBeard]

One thing to mention about ad density: youtube has a premium feature, that disables ads for all the content, and allow offline downloads and access to a music streaming service, while still compensating the creators. Thats a big win for people that stick on youtube.

[@thinkhector]

Yep. I was just mentioning this! Demonitized channels still get paid by Premium users. And now KZbin Music is getting better integrated into KZbin. (You can switch between video or audio now beyond just the phone.) And now KZbin shorts are really taking off threatening TicTok.

[@legojay14]

I actually didn't know it made demonitized views still pay creators. I need premium for work because it has a bad connection there and I've actually been wondering if my views still counted. The fact they count even more makes me even more glad it's a feature. Shocking ain't it? I'm happy I get to pay the company because I enjoy the features of the service. It's almost like it's good business or something

[@KipTM]

@@legojay14 unheard of

[@HetaClaude]

offline downloads in HIGHER quality, bcos yt still kinda does allow offline dls even without premium except it's all like 360p which is not rly good but still enough if ur just there to listen to a video

[@kylegonewild]

@@legojay14 Well, demonetized videos don't receive any money from premium, but a premium user who watches most or all of a monetized video is worth more per view than someone who watches the ads. There's also a little trick that may or may not have been fixed by KZbin where Premium users can download a video and it counts as watching the whole video so the creator still gets their premium cut from your view even if you don't end up watching it.

[@dustymax56]

On the point of discoverability, I've noticed KZbin has begun placing low view videos and streams in the sidebar. Right now the 3rd video is an elden ring streamer with 35 views. Last video was a video essay with only 5 views. They're making an effort at getting these smaller channels in front of people.

[@bwowzah]

He made great points here that I agree with. To add on to what he said, I'm a VOD only watcher. It takes me a long time to watch even a single stream. On Twitch, depending on the streamer, their VODs get deleted faster than I can watch them. I've stopped watching so many streamers over the last 3-4 years because I missed parts 12-30 of a stream playthrough of something while trying to catch up and they get deleted. Or something along those lines. On YT, I can watch streams from 2+ years ago in full. They don't go away unless copyright comes into play, which I absolutely despise on both platforms. As for chat, that doesn't matter to me. I've never read a stream chat messages that didn't make me cringe, so the less I see if it the better.

[@CabbageYe]

You're not the target audience for twitch if you don't even watch live streams

[@OhDeerLordie]

Honestly I've been part of a small streaming group and what we do is make sure to upload the vods onto youtube so they wont ever vanish

[@jud9847]

@@OhDeerLordie That's nice man, and the smart thing to do

[@DatAsianGuy]

@@CabbageYe not everyone has time to watch 3 or 4 hours of content live? Especially when there are multiple streamers you like, that often stream at the same time. what then? VODs are the only option.

[@ChazzDex]

If you watch YT stream VODs the chat is even worse than live since the YT chat constatly freezes for VODs and is barely in sync with the video. That's the thing I hate the most about YT streams.

[@vector3366]

One of the biggest reasons why I don’t use twitch is the amount of ads I get. On youtube you only need youtube red to avoid all of this but on twitch you need to sub to every channel you want to watch

[@6210classick]

youtube red?

[@OniNeko.]

@@6210classick He means KZbin Premium which used to be called KZbin Red in the past. I think it's $11.99 a month and it removes ads from videos/streams, give's creators you watch more money when watching their content, and adds mobile features like being able to listen to a video with the screen off.

[@6210classick]

@@OniNeko. KZbin Vanced...

[@FreshMedlar]

Twitch is on top because of the illusion it gives to viewers to have a bond with the creator. It thrives on people weakness and it's sad.

[@trexasaurus5322]

Exactly. People think they’re best friends with a content creator just because they interacted with chat. Most of them do it for money or clout, nothing more.

[@intheweebcloset5908]

I actually don't want one streaming/social platform to gain a monopoly on things, it'll give that platform too much power. As it is, KZbin doesn't have a true vod competitor and I would prefer that to change. In regards to streaming, as long of Twitch allows more stuff (you can get away with more on Twitch) they'll always be a place for it. Additionally KZbin is somewhat plagued by "corporate" accounts that will always be pushed to us. Talk shows, vevos, etc...

[@dontreadprofilephoto1728]

Dont read my name........

[@dontreadprofilephoto1728]

Dont read my name.........

[@hellowell3743]

At this point most the big tech companies need to be broken up. It's become a joke. Twitch had a monopoly for a long time. But KZbin & Google are just as evil.

[@tristancoffin]

@@hellowell3743 Disney....

[@x-fun3149]

@@tristancoffin Disney's going steady on killing themselves. Just look at this year's D23 expo.

[@fatcatbat6357]

In my opinion, I think having Twitch Prime should hide all ads like KZbin Premium does for it's subscribers, you're paying Twitch with it so why shouldn't they give us a little extra to go with those free games?

[@NopWorks]

Wait, you still get some ads even with Twitch Prime?

[@NaatClark]

You mean like twitch turbo already does?

[@dextops702]

Dude, twitch still doesn't make a profit and is losing money due to twitch prime, making it so it loses them more money is the last thing they want to do.

[@KipTM]

@@NaatClark yeah but twitch makes you get prime and turbo while yt just makes you get premium once

[@NaatClark]

@@KipTM Twitch prime is free homie

[@TheLaceylou92]

Luds face at 5:25 is me everytime i get reminded of facebook gaming

[@tymietore8447]

You literally open any twitch stream and 5 minutes into it you have 7 unskippable twitch ads. It’s crazy how unenjoyable it is especially with how much they clearly mock the platform and its viewers

[@bknighty28]

Twitch likes to throw me 6 adds back to back within 3 minutes of being on their platform and I promptly close twitch. Rip to the creators I enjoy on that platform but the people who run that website are beyond incompetent.

[@andyscipser6317]

I love watching Charlie’s videos, most of the time I’m not really invested in the topic but I enjoy him just explaining it and it makes me get invested.

[@MorganFreeman69420]

Makes you get what .. ? ;)

[@andyscipser6317]

@@MorganFreeman69420 😉

[@TheRoyalTamarin]

It's more like Twitch is killing itself with it's biases towards creators and terribly flimsy regulations, and on the other hand we have KZbin sinking itself with poor monetization, stupid business, removed dislikes, etc.. It's hard to declare a "winner" when they're both sinking deeper and deeper, though KZbin has less grounded problems, or not as serious as Twitch.

[@jackerie]

KZbin is killing itself Same thing with Twitch Whether it’s with blatant racism, Sexism, and favoritism They both have become pretty crap platforms

[@Diedqra]

ME ENCANTA FOLAR Y EYACUULLAR EN LA NOVIA DE Penguinz0 PORQUE SUBO BANGERS!! 😂👌 (translate pls)

[@dontreadprofilephoto1728]

Dont read my name........

[@user-NameName]

Lazy, garbage. low-quality content is killing twitch.

[@hellowell3743]

Or the bots like here in your comments

[@NopWorks]

@@hellowell3743 The best AI tech company in the world and can't even teach an AI to distinguish between _copy-paste spam from obvious spam-named channels_ and _real comments_

[@Bendilin]

@8:00 Makes sense, most television programs are meant to be 22 minutes or 50 minutes an episode.

[@DailyStreamer]

Ads on Twitch have gotten out of control. I can't tell you how many times I tried opening someone's stream, got a bunch of ads, then gave up and went to someone else's stream (where I have a sub). Also.. KZbin needs to fix their template if they want to beat out Twitch. I still don't know where to find Live gaming/channels.

[@GagaPOD]

KZbin just needs to focus on improving their streaming side, making it more appetizing for streamers. Spend the time and money correctly, and you won't have to buy massive streamers that don't fix your problems entirely. It's like buying an amazing chef only to give them a dumpster as a kitchen. I am excited to see what changes KZbin makes, and yes pre roll ads on Twitch always make me leave when I'm checking out a streamer.

[@mrspooks6531]

youtube also has the nuts 30min-over 2 hour long ads sometimes the fact those exist is crazy

[@angelofthedead5589]

Ooo, hello, it’s a me from the future. Specifically a WEEK in the future… and my sweet summer child, Twitch has REALLY shot itself in the leg this week alone. I’ve never seen a platform speedrun any% its own death.

[@ginarodgers8180]

KZbin isn't bigger than Twitch for streaming right now, but it's much closer than a lot of big streamers realize and that's because of 1 thing: corporate Vtubers. Several Japanese Hololive members are regularly getting xqc level CCV. Membership numbers (equivalent to subs on Twitch) are in the 4 to 5 digit range for all of them. Nijisanji has nearly 200 talents and several events throughout the year that can reach in the 100-200k view range, which is to say nothing of the kind of donations they're getting. Hololive and Nijisanji alone very likely generate enough revenue for KZbin to rival the combined might of the top 500 or so Twitch streamers. There is a very real possibility that the only reason KZbin is willing to buy creators from Twitch is because an ecosystem had already been established by vtubers.

[@AegisAuras]

So many times I’ve gone to a new stream, got aded, then just closed twitch and opened KZbin.

[@grimreminder5038]

From a streamer's standpoint, Twitch chat adds to the content for interactive streamers which I get but from a viewer's standpoint, YT has its perks. Chat goes fast enough to not be something to care about, none of that TTS shit throwing off the talking points goin' on or the overall vibe (especially when they're backed up), which is more perfect for collaboration stuff but it's just down to a preference standpoint in the long run.

[@ShaggyMcSwaggy]

I'm a guy who switched from Twitch to KZbin and here's my perspective on discoverability between the two platforms. I streamed on Twitch for a full year in 2021. Had a consistent 4 day schedule of about 4-6 hour streams. I did 24 hour streams, react content, meta games, a hot tub stream, a podcast, collabs with multiple streamers, and constantly looked to improving channel point interactions, chat interactions, and making the stream as entertaining as possible. During that time, I gained around 120 followers. Since moving to KZbin to stream in May, I've climbed over 900 subs while mainly streaming and uploading shorts. Playing meta games along with having clean titles and decent thumbnails to back them up feels like the key. I stream 3 times a week with a consistent schedule and more people have found me than ever before. I will say that finding the streaming section takes a bit and trying to find a GOOD youtube streamer is hard, there's a lot of garbage to sift through so I understand your point, but you can definitely be discovered and grow by streaming here. I'll always be a twitch frog and love twitch chat, that's a massive thing that's needed for KZbin to really swim to new levels. And that's about it so yeah

[@720pchannel]

Discoverability is incredibly shitty on Twitch. Moist is on extreme copium when he says it is the other way around

[@anggasatria8813]

@@720pchannel ya my friend start streaming in youtube and getting 8-20 viewers and having 60 at somepoint(1 month streaming),but twitch is literally 0-4 in early month,but if twitch recommend u through first page boom u got clear 400-2k viewer, and i dont know how the algorithm in twitch work too so i guess its luck?

[@sk-ig4wt]

@@anggasatria8813 most likely twitch gets paid to put those on front page

[@trickyabb]

One word bots

[@jeremyzapsmash]

you missed the chance to say that's about it see ya

[@wackyswacky1374]

You can skip ads on TV or KZbin. Not so on Twitch.

[@VentSaviour]

Yea I feel like what Charlie said with twitch chat is one of the only things maintaining Twitch’s lead against KZbin gaming.

[@kissesuwu5282]

Rewindable streams and just watching entire streams from finish to end is godlike for me. Also ngl, I watch on mobile and twitch always buffers and it just just won't stop. Meanwhile if I'm on yt it's completely fine

[@totalwartimelapses6359]

Yeah exactly, people with very high internet speed won't know this but KZbin is the absolute best website when it comes to buffering videos Even if you have utter shit internet speed you still have a much higher chance of watching a video uninterrupted than on any other site

[@izimsi]

Ads? I don't get any ads except KZbin on a TV.

[@Trto7]

What I’m curious about is Charlie. Will he move? Does he want to move? Like, I know he’s been on Twitch for a while now, but he will have to move eventually. But that won’t really be a problem, as he does already have a big platform on KZbin, that a lot of people would watch.

[@ViewOf]

The discoverability is not worse on KZbin. Streams are recommended alongside videos. The only chance to grow on twitch is to be raided by a big streamer.

[@steventonche1037]

Exactly. If KZbin can fix their raiding system here then they would definitely have an advantage over twitch.

[@aIesssandra]

KZbin should have a “KZbin Live” side page with a twitch-like interface and better chat experience but without the obnoxious 1.5 minute unskippable ads with every streamer you click on.

[@seeyoucu]

Completely correct about ads. That is totally why I decide to not stay with new streamers.

[@DragoNate]

"You'll never find an audience by starting on KZbin" I disagree. I did. My YT streams always get more viewership than Twitch. It's not much but when I have 5-8 watching on YT vs 1-3 on Twitch, YT is obviously better. Twitch for me has consistently been a worse experience. Including chat. Until recently, they never had that reply feature which I do like & think is neat, but it's not like it creates new threads really or anything. Not separate anyway. It's still a mess imo. KZbin takes advantage of SEO & search where Twitch is nothing but game category based. Your stream title barely matters if at all on Twitch. Only category & then a few tags. KZbin has hashtags, SEO, full search, can be found in Google search & other search engines & the stream stays up permanently afterward.

[@fullmetal_3961]

5-8 is no different on here than 1-3 on twitch. You're still not getting discovered.

[@DragoNate]

@@fullmetal_3961 at the start though? with no audience? and the 1-3 on twitch being friends or people who switched from youtube to try it out? while the 5-8 on youtube found me organically? i think i disagree.

[@DragoNate]

@noc omment I agree.

[@zeening]

the fact that youtube's chat CONSTANTLY randomly breaks and resets and scrolls from the VERY beginning of the stream to the current position, which if it is a long stream with alot of people chatting not only takes a long time everytime it happens(every few minutes literally) and makes reading/using it significantly worse, that and constantly deleting comments and messages that say anything remotely "bad" or with too many "bad words" or using a "bad word" right after or before the word "you"

[@lucas3263]

I definitely agree on this. An example of the ads on twitch being so horrid was when I watched the destiny 2 day 1 raid race. I was jumping around a bunch of different teams’ streams and by the time the ads were done I didn’t get to see them figure out an encounter or beat the encounter. Very frustrating.

[@nightfr09]

I really really like the ability to pause streams, especially with things like Critical Role- where they stream to both KZbin and twitch. If I'm watching a 4 hour stream, I like the ability to occasionally pause

[@NaruBrilu]

Same. I enjoy youtube vids more, but like the occasional time i go to watch a stream on twitch that annoys me almost as much as ads lol. Like wdym i cant just pause it and then resume it back in thhe exact spot i paused it at. Cuz u can hit pause on twitch but then when u it resume it just goes back to where it is live. Plus you cant rewind either. I like being able to rewind if i missed something

[@ChazzDex]

But if you pause a stream on YT the chat will still be the live chat so the reactions make no sense. On twitch you could instantly switch to the VOD of the current stream and everything will be in sync.

[@striker3190]

@@ChazzDex twitch vods suck tho

[@NaruBrilu]

@@ChazzDex i dont really care for the live chat. Dont even use it really when i watch streams

[@willnutland5772]

Twitch seems to be killing twitch, unfortunately

[@Diedqra]

ok niɡɡer

[@dontreadprofilephoto1728]

Dont read my name........

[@KitchouaTembo]

Exactly, twitch needs no external help in the Killing Twitch department

[@manfromhamaslume]

and youtube is killing youtube

[@jbs.wrld1]

@@Diedqra whadafuc?

[@Precomo97]

Twitch's advertisement problem stems from the fact that you could watch 3 ads, literally 2 seconds of one streamer, switch, then ads. In that aspect, advertisement frequency is not only worse than TV, but I agree with you that it's problematic.

[@mattk909]

As a viewer that doesn't really interact with chat, just likes to watch every now and then, I much prefer KZbin. I only go to twitch if I want to see that person's pov of something. And even then when I get hit with ads sometimes it's not worth my time... KZbin also takes less mobile data which is a big thing for me

[@ReadyJP]

KZbin still has some features to implement to catch up to Twitch, but at the rate Twitch is going, it won't be long till KZbin is knocking at their doorsteps

[@RayRaven]

My favorite stream is interacting with a streamer, getting 3 minutes of ads while they're responding, and losing all that interaction.

[@reggiewright3702]

Something people I don't feel mention enough when this topic comes up. KZbins player is significantly better than twitch's being able to very quickly rewind the stream to catch up on topics and them immediately switch it back to live is so easy on KZbin livestreams

[@trequor]

I never watch twitch for one simple reason: donations. Like 50% of a given stream is the streamer saying "thank you for the donation". It's brutal and tedious

[@smallfryskilledge1550]

Then you should watch cable tv or something. Live-streamers will always want to thank people who donate money to them.

[@EpicBlackflame07]

Clearly you're not watching smaller streamers

[@viablezombie9419]

Another good thing about KZbin is if you do get a long add or even just a add at the start of a video you can just refresh and have a good chance you get a skipable add or even none at all.

[@cool9first]

I noticed that I've been getting recommendations of smaller livestreams (around 10-20 viewers) when I'm watching other streams. They definitely are trying to address the discoverability problem.

[@PossibleBat]

Same, low bottom recommendation list, always a streaming of a channel with about 100-1000 subs and around 10-1000 viewers

[@chewychewjr]

Considering swagg got his audience through KZbin first anyways and he still makes regular videos I think it's safe to say he won't experience a dramatic drop

[@chewychewjr]

@LakehuntZPoggies what?

[@reiangossling6395]

@@chewychewjr It's a bot

[@chewychewjr]

@@reiangossling6395 it seems I was bamboozled, thank you guts

[@ManG1aze]

it is so annoying when you ask a streamer a question on twitch, they start answering, and 2 30-second ads pop up. the worst.

[@EARTHGROWNGECKO]

I 100% agree with Charlie, I've clicked on his streams loads of times' to check out what hes doing but then ill immediately close the tab if I get those stupid ads

[@raezin3158]

after the newest vid, its clear that twitch is killing themselves the most 💀

[@lordfarquar9215]

KZbin ads make the site feel like a scammer hotspot instead of the forum it once was. This saddens me

[@theph0enix404]

Twitch having such a big competitor hopefully causes some positive changes in the company and to benefit the streamers/chat.

[@hellowell3743]

lol that will literally never happen. Like Tumblr or Yahoo they will run it into the ground.

[@The_Original_Barbie_Mcdonald]

If you like one piece you should watch this youtube channel MangaMark he reacts to One Piece.

[@dontreadprofilephoto1728]

Dont read my name.........

[@MelodyGardenia]

The problem is that youtube also sucks and has its own slew of problems, so its not a net gain

[@ryukami404]

We can hope but with Twitch being owned by Amazon is what concerns me. Amazon would rather cut their losses and shut down the platform if the competition gets too tough.

[@The_ASMR_Listener]

KZbin needs to update its platform to help streamers or content creators who want to become streamers. i don't think it should be a normal thing to make multiple channels just to organize content from the main channel. just make it a new tab like twitch does. there are so much inspirations youtube can take from twitch but I think the first thing they should do is have a way to separate streams/VODs from the list of normal videos

[@lunalilyco]

the worst part about the twitch preroll ads is say something happens to the stream and you need to refresh real fast. you immediately get hit with more preroll ads. even if you were just watching their stream

[@SuburbanSurron]

i love how charlie always knows about people uploading stuff but never has any of them subbed 😂😂

[@iMagicGraalOnline]

All youtube really needs is a 'Live' button on the homepage that offers discoverability

[@techy804]

They do

[@StephaneLevs]

The ad thing is so true. So many times I clicked on a stream that I don't necessarily watch often or someone new and get turned off by the long, unskippable ads and just switch to something else.

[@Chroniclilskip27]

As a person starting from scratch, I feel like discoverability on KZbin is better than twitch, although, I have put way more time into KZbin than twitch so I guess I can't say for sure. As far as ads go, I saw something about KZbin testing running like 5 ads or something crazy like that which I really hope was just a rumor. Also, I really wish KZbin chat was more like Twitch's. I guess we'll see if they ever fix that. The way KZbin does clips too is also dumb. They should follow Twitch in that regard as well Lastly, I laughed so much at 10:42 that I hurt my jaw lol

[@GubbinsGuardian]

Finally creators are realizing what they can do to combat twitch: take away their people from the site. Then twitch will listen to the people

[@k2skater870]

4:11 a youtuber watching a youtuber watching a youtuber's video who is playing fortnite on KZbin.

[@NaClO]

I disagree with charlie. You can’t start as a streamer on twitch either. you can be a nobody and start streaming for xqc hours and still never gain a following on twitch. you have to start on other platforms

[@shroomer8294]

Yeah

[@mr.bitsbyte4664]

I miss mixer. I started watching mixer soon after PUBG came out, made a lot of friends and had a lot of fun. I wish it was better managed and survived. It also pushed twitch to get low latency streaming, which for a long time was a feature mixer had a huge advantage with.

[@DabxNinja_420]

Recently the ad skip on KZbin is starting to only skip you to the next ad instead of all of it like It use to

[@jrp335]

Even the skippable pre-roll ads on KZbin have caused me to decide to not watch a video. I was thinking about that this morning. Why can’t companies just have pop-up ads and let the creators decide the location of the pop-up so it doesn’t ruin their content?

[@poopalol6605]

I think twitch is killing itself. It’s clear biases to certain content creators, it’s uneven rules and it’s sometimes too harsh or too gentle punishments for people that break TOS.

[@dontreadprofilephoto1728]

Dont read my name........

[@jaspermidnight850]

@YeaMan you couldnt even spell page right ik you’re a bot but do better LLLLLL

[@samuelemasci7620]

"its", not "it's"

[@hellowell3743]

@@Diedqra random dose of racism... Doesn't get censored. But the "wrong" political opinion _will_ get censored... The geniuses of KZbin hard at work.

[@Frongo]

both twitch and youtube are killing themselves but twitch is just doing it quicker