Twitch vs Youtube

[@MegaTrevornant]

And don't forget, viewers who tune into a KZbin stream don't have to watch 10 unskipable 30 second ads before getting to the stream to give the stream a chance

[@patrikcath1025]

*and also every 30 minutes if they do decide to stay

[@Sumirevins]

I mean you still have to watch 2 15 seconds ads every 2 Livestream. Also streamers choose in between ads not twitch or youtube for that matter.

[@codygeery9348]

No shit man, especially when its a good part of the stream and I'm getting super interested, and BAM! Assload of ads...

[@AndyTheBoiz]

@@Sumirevinsmy adblocker in question

[@Otherhats]

monkey brain spotted. Cannot differentiate between many ads vs few ads. @@Sumirevins

[@lidijanedeljkovic2730]

I am glad that KZbin is making bigger moves on the streaming side. Hopefully it makes Twitch do better

[@Mandate_of_Heaven]

It’ll never happen. Twitch cares more about profit than appealing to their streamers. 😕

[@Sireristof1332]

we desperately need an browsing page with games and languages easily findable, then i will browse yt live more often. the way it is now is awful

[@russelllapua4904]

Twitch only cares about titty streamers now

[@ThePromotionWars]

Competition breeds innovation!

[@swiftcartier6970]

@OfficerBMTshiver me timbers

[@LucasIVYT]

Something I also really like about KZbin is the ability to NOT immediately go live when you press Start Streaming in OBS. This allows you to preview your stream to yourself first before going live publicly, checking bitrate quality, delay, connection etc. ...it also helps when you accidentally misclicked Start Streaming when you wanted to record offline

[@Cyborg2457]

Lucas I did not expect to see you here

[@bosssnurp5912]

Yo it’s the funny battle cats man

[@Cyborg2457]

@@bosssnurp5912 you make me wanna play miitopia again

[@bosssnurp5912]

@@Cyborg2457 good

[@notcryin9683]

Yo battle cat youtuber

[@DubYuhGChoppa]

It's amazing how Twitch never self-desctructed with all their bad decisions

[@Mandate_of_Heaven]

Cough cough cam girl streamers

[@MrUssy101]

Charlie content is still cringe twitch or KZbin.

[@JK-9107]

​@@MrUssy101#1 hate watcher

[@Nbaspam0000]

@@MrUssy101yet you’re here, under one of his videos? Weird

[@IDKnow89]

​​@@MrUssy101its goofy thats the whole point of his content bozo

[@Jokin_Jake]

If KZbin fixed the chat it would become the obvious answer. The other features it lacks aren't a game changer for me. The chat is the biggest issue.

[@blueyedevil2117]

@OfficerBMTexhibit A

[@JK-9107]

​@OfficerBMT1st warning

[@Jokin_Jake]

​@@blueyedevil2117truuue XD

[@Jokin_Jake]

​@@NxterYT Exhibit B

[@NxterYT]

@@Jokin_Jake sorry

[@nirvashj]

Another feature that Charlie did not mention is the ability to schedule streams (up to a year from now). Charlie doesn't really use this since he just goes live whenever he wants to but creating a scheduled stream HELPS A LOT in terms of notifying and reminding your viewers about your stream. Scheduled streams notifies subscribers like an hour or half an hour before the stream starts and notifies again once the streamer goes live. Going live out of nowhere somehow reduces the chance of this notifications to work and I hope YT fixes that but scheduling your stream really helps.

[@its.flacko]

like this so charlie can start scheduling

[@airjodran]

Twitch has a schedule. I don't think it's used very often nor does it give the advanced notifs you mentioned, but it is there.

[@calvry4157]

if you have a following somewhere, you could make "Im streaming at ___, come join!" or something as a post so that'll notify some people.

[@OfficiallySnek]

Getting those "face jump scares" as thumbnails for Charlie's stream is something that makes my day just a little better

[@dusky5535]

The bot squad in full force again

[@OfficiallySnek]

@@dusky5535 I'm starting to wonder if KZbin will ever get rid of them

[@CornFlex420]

​@@OfficiallySnekI wouldn't count on it

[@Xxnonymuz]

@@OfficiallySnekdon’t count on it but you can always count on getting a lil silly jump scare from Charlie every once in a while, I love the stream thumbnails 😂

[@OfficialNice]

The streams come along way more naturally on KZbin it’s so much better

[@AntonioRedgrave]

The fact that I didn't know there was a KZbin Streaming Tab until just now says a lot about their discoverability

[@danielmunoz2084]

I can't find it 🤣

[@infinity-8250]

Where?

[@quillclock]

you sure as hell know about that shorts tab tho. their focus is on that right now. sadly

[@Jecmdz]

@@danielmunoz2084 Watch the tab of gaming on the youtube front page

[@Jecmdz]

@@infinity-8250 Games tab on the youtube front page

[@mind-of-neo]

As a long term KZbin denizen, I am very happy to see another major creator livestreaming regularly on the platform. I do think KZbin would benefit from more emotes being integrated and developing a whole new recommendation system for streamers. I do however think twitch is too restricted, has too many ads, has a terrible app experience, and has a vastly inferior vod system. It seems like only some vods end up on that obscure vod tab on twitch. With KZbin, they show up perfectly just like videos. And of course they don't have the rewind feature.

[@jessed2544]

One thing Charlie overlooked is the stream consistency from the viewer side. If you don't have good internet a KZbin stream is waaay better than twitch

[@10rey72]

This, I always wondered why that is.

[@legitphantom5921]

True I watch twitch interest freezes so I have to refresh then I GET TWO UNSKIPABLE ADS GG

[@richardplinkett4956]

@@10rey72 Google has a much more robust system than Amazon

[@brycek1380]

He was definitely lost in space on this one

[@werdwerdus]

very good point. and i think having built in rewind and forward helps a lot with that as well. you can pause and let it buffer and then resume without having to "catch up" immediately

[@travinnagasawa2063]

One thing I like about KZbin streaming is that streamers can schedule their streams. So it pops up on the viewers subscribe tab. So it’s good for streamers with a schedule. Plus it also creates a waiting room for Chatters. But like Charlie said, it’s only good for people that are already subscribed, not for discoverability.

[@iamwinter17]

Yeah was surprised he didn’t mention this tbh

[@why_tho_]

But again, you cannot directly start streaming, you have to schedule your stream EVERY time.

[@YoshisSupport]

i value the scheduled stream thing a LOT because it helps with me being able to determine if i will be available to watch it or not, i really dont like randomly checking if people are live since i dont use notifications on anything since i dont want a million emails

[@luke2806]

just make some random relevant topical videos, make a video essay, make some funny edits etc. its really not that difficult. i dont get the ONLY streaming thing, like why limit yourself lol. twitch doesnt even give the option for discoverability like creating youtube videos does, 98% of twitch is people with 0 - 5 viewers and they have to keep going live all the time for nothing praying a bigger streamer will raid them or notice them.

[@arthurkang2786]

​@@why_tho_no you can just start streaming

[@guardian3227]

Twitch: *Reducing server cost by increasing intervals between packets of chat messages* Charlie:”It’s important feature”

[@tf_d]

It makes chat much easier to read, it's easier to read something that stops periodically than something that's constantly scrolling up.

[@isaacshepard1474]

I would really love to see KZbin make their livestream theater mode better for desktop and mobile, imo that'd make the viewing experience a lot better

[@slsthewriter1299]

How'd you mean? I find KZbin's theater mode pretty decent for viewing without going fullscreen.

[@browntint]

i like the way it looks and all that except for going full screen and trying to type in chat on mobile😭

[@slsthewriter1299]

@@browntint Ah, that makes sense. One thing I did think of was you can't really look at chat and also look at the screen on desktop either. Even though there's generally ample room.

[@darkpaladin109]

@@slsthewriter1299 Yeah, I haven't watched many youtube streams, but having to scroll down to see/type in chat is not ideal. Twitch does this far better.

[@gredangeo]

What's wrong with the theater mode on desktop? I see nothing wrong with it.

[@Orchidbeetle]

charlie's ability give credit where credit is due while also giving genuine critique in a constructive way is what makes him such a force as a commentator

[@Phelisreal]

this is him saying to youtube: take notes!

[@mattroman]

I feel like he's just explaining it fairly and you're only saying that because most people make bad faith or biased arguments. (nothing towards charlie, just my 2 cents)

[@loscilla]

Charlie's fanbase ability to give credit for the most trivial things. What he does here should be the norm. There is no need to put him on a pedestal.

[@Bossie420]

What makes Charlie apealing is the fact that he is so genuine. He's kind of an everyman. He looks at things from multiple perspectives, forms an oppinion, and lays it all out for us as the viewer. This allows us to form an oppinion of our own when it comes to toppics like this. He doesn't deserve to be put on a pedestal because of this, but the sad reality is that Charlie is a breath of fresh air between most of the BS you see online nowadays.

[@RealRushinRussian]

It's the ever so chill attitude as well. Never have I had to reach for the volume down button on my keyboard within two seconds of opening one of his videos - unlike many youtubers

[@I.disagree]

I'm so sad whenever a twitch streamer doesn't have a VODS channel on youtube, especially if they are a smaller one so there is nobody to make an unofficial one

[@Amadeus_A]

I really think if KZbin focused on the streaming side of things, they could easily overtake Twitch. It really just seems KZbin isn't that interested in streaming.

[@uLWillyG]

theve been better than twitch for a long time already

[@iwannafunny5130]

What do you mean? They paid Ludwig to stream on their platform. Of course they're interesting in streaming.

[@Amadeus_A]

@iwannafunny5130 For me, that's just throwing money at something. Which I'm glad they are; and they seem to have strategized on who to get better than Mixer. But what I think they really need to do is focus on frequent updates. There are some basic quality of life changes (some mentioned in the video) that we've been asking for years, and they are still not here. Any great things about KZbin streaming are just from the video side of things (ad density, thumbnails). They just really need to focus on streaming, and it can easily surpass Twitch; but I think overall, they're just focused on the video side of things.

[@avramcs]

My personal take is that KZbin will never be the dominant streaming platform, at least not for anything outside of official government or world events. I don’t know about you guys, maybe it’s just me, but I use KZbin for Videos and I (don’t anymore) use Twitch for streams. It’s more fundamental than the actual creator itself, it’s like playing pc games on a tv. Like in general there is no difference, but I won’t do it

[@zachcrager2279]

As they shouldn’t be

[@SprainedSentinel]

Another thing you didn’t mention: The ads themselves on KZbin are far less frequent and intrusive to the streaming experience in comparison to Twitch. Like, Twitch will literally shove 4 ads at a time down your throat every few minutes. It’s a genuine turn-off for me, and I have no clue how people don’t take issue with this more.

[@TrulyPotato]

Exactly, the viewing experience is way better on KZbin

[@moist666]

True

[@BigBuckies]

I'd say this is because most ppl are running some form of adblocker, or are subbed to the streamers they watch frequently, which means no ads

[@junglesucks965]

plus for like 20 bucks a month(for premium) which I have anyway cus I don't like ads in normal videos, I don't have to watch any ads anywhere on the website

[@123457474869]

The ads are the #1 deal breaker for Twitch. They should have been the first thing mentioned.

[@DashPum4]

now i may just suck at streaming, but on twitch i streamed for almost 3 years and barely grew. what i experienced was that when i had 0 viewers i grew from people sorting by lowest to highest, but as i grew, my growth slowed because i moved into the middle of the lowest to highest tab so people couldnt find me. i was quite consistent but did not grow. i switched to youtube because of my following here, and its been much better. i think for small creators the exposure is actually better. while less people go to view streams on youtube, theres way less competition, if u make a good title and thumbnail u can actually get clicks, and it actually puts people im interested in towards the top of the youtube streaming section, rather than just putting the people with the highest viewers at the top. also, everyone tells you to grow on twitch you need to make content elsewhere but the conversion rate of a youtube viewer to a twitch viewer is much smaller than from a youtube video viewer to a youtube live viewer. so in my opinion, if u plan on making other content, u should do videos and streams on youtube

[@a.a659]

being able to rewind the stream is soooo nice. I love being able to start a stream that i'm late to from the beginning or pausing a stream if I have to get up and watching at 2x until I catch up

[@sean8102]

Yea that is a great feature

[@ECtransformertoysOffical]

@jayten2979millions of terrorists I presume

[@fayelefayele2264]

You know how it is

[@Aegis_Paradise]

I like it for loading screens and other low moments that I don’t really care about.

[@werdwerdus]

seeking back in the vod and catching up at faster speed is a huge QoL improvement for sure

[@PavitoCosmico]

For me, as a KZbin viewer, it's easier and more likely to join a stream on the same platform I'm used to and already have an account, than going to Twitch logging in and trying to find your stream due to the fact that I've never been a streaming or Twitch guy to be honest

[@Dorraj]

Doesn't help that twitch automatically logs you out over time too. If you haven't used it in a while, you gotta sign in... Oh two factor authentication? Ugh it's just always a pain.

[@alexb3831]

Exactly I’m a YT user I don’t rlly like watching streams everyday so I don’t care for twitch but I would like to watch my favorite YTers stream on the same platform I use since I’m mostly on YT

[@deanfulford69]

Same here

[@hollister2320]

Honestly same, I tried twitch but it was overwhelming. All my favorite streamers are also major YTbrs anyway; Vaush / Destiny / Laowhy /SerpentZa / NFKZRZ / etc., and I’m well aware of all the twitch emotes and inside jokes but YT feels more personal idk

[@TacoTheWeeb]

Honestly you made this video at a perfect time for me, kinda crazy. This is the exact question ive been asking others what i should do. You kinda solidified KZbin pretty well for me ngl. Especially since I wont be streaming daily, and wanna do event based streams.

[@Jamaalalalaajajaamalala]

How the hell you are a verified and have no replies

[@Jamaalalalaajajaamalala]

Nvm you dissapeared from KZbin the same as coryxkenshin

[@Frost11511]

lol

[@bar-elch7809]

Not having a culture like twitch isn't a bad thing. I like the idea of chat culture that is more channel specific fostered by the creators instead of every streamer talking the same

[@SilverScizor753]

This, so much. There are people I want to watch that are only on Twtich but I stopped watching because the chat culture has evolved into something I'm just not a fan of, like when streamers use TTS to read bit messages. I already thought bits were a bit intrusive but it's so annoying for the streamer to be talking about something, having an interesting conversation and then they have to either stop or talk over the random donation message forcing in their joke. There are some chats on YT I'm not big on, but that's bc of the culture specific to that streamer (even if I like the streamer), but this also means every streamer having a different feel in the chat adds to the streamer's identity imo.

[@QuagmiresDungeon]

On his KZbin streams his chat is just filled with “lol” “lmao” and fart jokes it’s so childish and boring. It feels like his twitch viewers were drowned out by his KZbin subs

[@mms12x]

@@QuagmiresDungeonthat is the inevitable result of any stream that big, on any platform

[@shouma_ch]

This, exactly this! The reason I never got into to Twitch is because I wasn't vibing with that specific culture but it's so tight-knit that as a newcomer you can't imagine fostering your own thing. It's either hop on the bandwagon or f*ck off. So while the Twitch culture and the whole "we are like a family"-thing is one the platforms biggest pros it can at times be a huge con too, it's like an organically grown gatekeeper.

[@CharlieKellyEsq]

yeah, twitch "chat culture" is some of the cringiest shit I've seen ever

[@chrits3396]

I always thought streaming on KZbin felt like an addon to the main website as oppose something that is independent and its own thing.

[@No1WasHere7]

When Game Theory was streaming daily. There was absolutely a chat culture. It was full of inside jokes and chat specific memes. I miss those days.

[@bluebell560]

Yeah. I loved GT Live back in the day, but for some reason even I still think of youtube streaming as a new thing lol.

[@mildlyrobin4978]

Lixian also used to stream frequently and his community had their own stuff, but I think Charlie is talking more about pogs and kappas. Like, if you post a pog ANYWHERE in Twitch, people will know what you're talking about, while if I say "EnJOy YoUR sWEEt Emote! ENJOY THEM" outside Lixian's chat, no one will know what I'm talking about.

[@nirjhar4803]

But that was likely isolated to GT's community rather than all of YT... I remember I used to watch Etika's streams and his community felt quite different compared to Matpat's.

[@tylersprouse6861]

@@bluebell560I feel like GTLive is the only channel I’ve heard of on KZbin that was successful with livestreams consistently

[@helper_bot]

thats just limiited. charlie is talking about frankerfacez, bttv, kappaface, and you wont get them on youtube

[@dtxalx1]

It’s amazing to see that KZbin is making a big stride towards better KZbin Streaming, twitch has a lot to improve on.

[@shreyashzade2379]

Isnt there like a slow mode for chat

[@chancefreely]

@@shreyashzade2379it’s crazy how there was only one real reply under this comment with 5 replies.

[@chancefreely]

@@Tensentities forget the ad-pocalyps from a few years ago, we’ve been in the bot-pocalyps for months now. I can’t figure out why KZbin hasn’t put a stop to it by now. It’s not like KZbin is profiting off it in any way. It changes nothing with monetization, it just actively makes the platform worse.

[@GaryGlass1]

I was genuinely happy to see Charlie on KZbinr over Twitch. I hate using Twitch and never like to go out of my way to watch even people I like on there. I'm glad that it's healthier for you mentally too. Everyone wins.

[@bazah23]

Same

[@aceboogiegames]

What I’ve found helps on KZbin is scheduling your streams. The upcoming stream gets pushed out giving your subscribers and new ppl a chance to turn on notifications for those specific streams.

[@LottyLettuce]

I'm very glad you brought up the rewind component. It is singlehandedly why I will always prefer watching esports (specifically RLCS) on youtube when they go live. It allows me to multitask since I don't have to constantly be glued to the screen in fear that I'll miss a big play or moment. On twitch you can still go back but the process is tedious as hell while on youtube you can do it with a press of the left arrow key on your keyboard.

[@morganwalz3938]

You can do it on twitch??

[@Steelermill]

Yes it's good in that way

[@Kevin-if6vp]

​@@morganwalz3938technically yes but you have to close the livestream and load the vod separately. Kinda pathetic on twitch's end when tv providers have made literal remote controls for decades now.

[@midnight-rider1509]

I love being able to be so terminally online, that I get to watch videos the moment they drop

[@rattle_me_bones]

So true

[@Cat_themed_wedding]

I feel bad for you, 4 out of the 5 replies on your comment are bots

[@DigitalHandle]

jesus christ what did this guy do to deserve these bots 💀

[@zymonx5624]

Twitch chat culture: *spams emotes every minute with nothing interesting to add*

[@4547466]

It's insane that youtube bitrate is higher and on lower end devices the experience is still smoother just because of youtube's transcoding, which twitch only offers to partners and trickles down to affiliates.

[@sean8102]

I'm looking forward to yt allowing AV1 encoded live streaming. Last I heard they are testing it with cert channels.

[@TAMAMO-VIRUS]

@@sean8102 It's been a few months since they did that. I imagine it will roll out to everyone soon. Maybe early next year.

[@DarkbloomVis]

Im glad you started streaming on YT, been really enjoyable hopping in and watching you undergo your shiengians. If i miss a stream I'll just listen next day as I work, thanks for the constant content legend.

[@xXxxXx-yr1dd]

The cat house is gone, this right there, this is when they decided to not mash pissers anymore

[@Hamzta]

The Wired interview is so funny lmao the way he was holding back his analogies. Now he's free to release lol.

[@JCLFJanet]

Legit, Charlie explaining the join button is the first time I've heard it explained well. Finally joined the squad

[@123457474869]

Why would you need that explained to you? Are you 5?

[@Bluejayboy94]

@@123457474869 unnecessary.

[@toifel]

Fun fact: in German KZbin, the button is labeled "Mitglied werden" which means "Become a member".

[@BeardedDragonMan1997]

@@toifeldon’t care

[@samedesu2205]

as far as memberships go, being in the vtuber community has shown me that they are more individualistic than sub's from twitch. they're more like tightknit communities for their respective streamers, than a general means of support. if you're in the know its very identifiable. Investigators for Ame's members, Chumbuds for Gura, Irystocrats for Irys, ect. it functions more as a mini patreon. or at least thast what its used for by them.

[@TheRealZura]

This. It also gives you access to the membership tab where we can get extra perks. And even if you don’t support, the community tab is just as good. No point in using other social media platforms.

[@coolskelleton95]

Also instead of Twitch’s “culture”, KZbin can have channel specific “cultures” like how when Ina leaves to do something chat spams cucumbers.

[@iJakku]

I only use KZbin for hololive/vtube streams. Feels like I'm missing out when they decide to switch to twitch.

[@moltengears7483]

Ok dude bro.

[@patokev3691]

What is Ame?

[@Noah-ir3os]

If you’ve never watched a stream with Charlie telling such a embarrassingly honest tale about himself that you kinda look at him differently you don’t understand the full experience here

[@GATOATTACK]

*As a KZbin streamer. More folks watch the VOD of the stream than the actual stream. That’s where the discoverablity actually happens. Which is also why there’s no streaming culture. Since most audiences treat streams like other videos* Edit: *Advice for new streamers that choose KZbin. Treat your streams more like a let’s play than twitch stream.*

[@djbobby224]

Makes sense

[@Burning_Soup]

Yeah I'm definitely a perpetrator of this. I watch stream vods while I sleep and very rarely watch actual streams.

[@MrGyrations]

Twitch vods are also unwatchable. There are ads every 5 minutes on Twitch vods. No thanks.

[@Dhxgdbdhhxhdjdj]

@@MrGyrations When he said you can just check in and watch a stream on Twitch I laughed, there is at least one 3 minute in skippable ad. I hate that feature so much that’s why I hate Twitch.

[@techy804]

Exactly, there's been like a total of 5ish streamers I've found on this platform by watching their streams live (and only one of them since the virus). The rest of them I found by watching the vods.

[@Arthurzeiro]

The main reason why I don't go much to twitch is the spamminess of the chats.

[@gir1573]

I’m all in on people streaming on KZbin. The ads are SO MUCH better, you can pause and rewind any part you want. The VODS are MUCH better.

[@KaitoDoesStreams]

As a person who has streamed on twitch and youtube, I found that you get the most interactions as a new streamer with "playing with viewers" tag on. I used to do a smash bros arena every 2 days for new people to come in and follow and for a 3 months, I gained up to 100 followers. Then I looked at a video telling me that youtube was a better option and friends told me to check out youtube as well and I thought why not give it a try. I had less than half of my audience follow my transfer to youtube and twitch deleted my acc too (oddly enough, idk why. I didn't have a contract). KZbin was a little slower than twitch but sometimes if you have the right idea, you might spark something. I made a stream of doing a smash bros tournament with all the amiibos I had trained on twitch, edited it down, and went from averaging 50s to 300 views, then getting this 5k view video which was way better than anything I've gotten from twitch. Safe to say I found my place on youtube

[@funfeels]

nuh uh

[@KaitoDoesStreams]

@@funfeels ?

[@acooknamedMatt]

@KZbin needs to see this

[@Eisu]

Just wanna say that for the ability to go back on a stream, the streamer has to make sure the Enable DVR button is on in the KZbin live dashboard (which, smartly, is on by default), but there are streamers that turned this off and with it off, the ability to rewind a stream is taken off. As to why some streamers turn this off, I imagine it's so that the stream will always be up to the current moment instead of lagged behind cos when a viewer watches a stream and it buffers because of their bad connection, when the stream reconnects, the stream continues where the viewer was left off so the viewer then would be lagged behind in the stream even though chat was moving according to the current time of the stream itself, with the Enable DVR button off, when the viewer reconnects to the stream, the stream would jump to the current moment of the stream itself of being lagged behind. This is my theory as to why some streamers turn it off, I myself always enable the DVR cos the ability to rewind a stream while it's live is just easy access for the viewers too, plus, if they wanna get back to current, just click the "Live" part in the scrubber and you'll be jumped to the current moment of the stream.

[@codyjohnson6427]

I've seen 2 streamers specifically turn this feature off to test how the experience is for a stream or two. The viewers hated it and they immediately turned the feature back on. The reason for turning it off: "we streamers don't like seeing chat comments from stuff that happened a while ago". So it's really a selfish thing for the streamers to have a clean current chat full of up to date chatting. The best thing for viewing experience is to give people the option of watching live, or rewinding a bit to what they missed, and most people with a brain know to not chat about old stuff if they are rewinded by like an hour.

[@ProFudgey]

Not reading allat but I agree

[@codyjohnson6427]

@@ProFudgey he said that he supports racism in his statement, so you agree with that? I see

[@ProFudgey]

@@codyjohnson6427 I don't, 💀reading is fundamental

[@codyjohnson6427]

@@ProFudgey lol

[@mcgoldenblade4765]

Vtuber chats tend to have a distinct culture from my experience. It's still ridiculously hard to read, but there'e still a culture with inside jokes and such. It's likely due to how tight-knit the Vtuber community is, and how if you watch one Vtuber, you're likely to watch others as well.

[@kencarsonhappymeal91]

I HATE VTUBERS

[@UndeadSlayer5]

More like vtrash

[@-Safijiiva-]

Ew

[@reezwave]

Not just vtuber, most famous KZbin streamers also have that. Charlie just changed his platform, ofc there's always new people that didn't know the hivemind of the livechat yet.

[@madison8818]

I don't know. In my experience vtuber chat mostly have inside jokes due to streamer interactions with other streamers and a small circle of chatters that constantly give superchats. It's isn't always the case when said vtuber isn't so big. In my experience, Twitch gives chatters more personality, so even they don't give much, they'll have an identity in chat.

[@splatoonsniper]

I think this is where Charlie and Tiana broke up given that the cat tree is gone

[@GMAceM]

I definitely get the feel of a stream needing to be unique. If you can get the same info on one stream as you can in another then people might just not always watch or opt to watch a normal video that’s shorter.

[@Ocaoria]

I hope you can continue to make streams and enjoy them on youtube as you did on Twitch for many years.

[@kylespevak6781]

There's literally a function for having messages held for a few seconds during streams. Instead of holding the message in purgatory before it comes in you set the purgatory between their messages so that chat can't be overwhelmingly spammed.

[@mccartney7108]

frankly i like the youtube streams more. they’re more accessible for most people.

[@benyshubenbub7665]

Not even that just navigating twitch felt icky

[@UrResidentGhost]

I do notice as some who sometimes watches both Twitch and KZbin streams, KZbinrs who streams a lot or constantly do form a certain climate. Markipliers is a great example where the fans make jokes from past and current videos. I do get your steam notifs but they are often delayed. Same with anyone I have the bell on for.

[@ShotgunShark]

I've been struggling with this issue for a while, i really wish youtube would update and make that final push for improvments for streamers.

[@a14a17k]

This is honestly a very insightful video. Whether you stream or not, its good as a new viewer of either platform to have a better understanding of what to expect accessibility wise.

[@austiinos]

KZbin needs their own live tab. They have home, subscriptions, shorts, and library. How do they not have a dedicated live tab for streamers and browse catalogue for games?

[@chrispysaid]

"I'm like John Constantine." another connection to Keanu is established in the Charles lore

[@Patterrz]

KZbin makes some really weird decisions, like having to opt into getting gifted memberships

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

I think it's better now pat, You used to have to go into settings to enable gifts for every KZbin channel, Now you only do it once

[@wallyww6149]

The idea of editing a thumbnail turned out very good. A lot of times I just check a video or stream because of the thumbnail. I also know ppl prepare thumbnails in Photoshop for regular streams. It makes it look a little more professional ngl

[@Mimirthful]

I love that charlie streams on KZbin nowadays. I can finally create playlists of his streams and use them as a sleep aid 😭 watching twitch VODS was PITA.

[@HAZARD_Productions]

Something I think is important to note. Because of KZbin primarily being a vod service it has a robust comment culture rather than chat culture. And because of that I think live streams “live” longer and have continued conversation around it because people watch the archive rather than watch it live including me. I watch every H3 podcast but I don’t like missing anything and they’re all live so I can either wait until it’s done and watch it or I have the benefit of rewinding it to the beginning while its live and then when I have to leave i can pick up where I left off. Additionally KZbin has really emphasized, at least in my algorithm, showing lesser known less viewed videos which include live streams. I listen to a lot of music and often get recommended brand new music from relatively unknown artists all the time and find new music that way. That also applies to podcast. While I don’t often watch new podcasts because I’m a creature of habit I think it’s nice to know their podcasts are at least getting a chance to get seen in recommendations when they have little to no views.

[@TheBenSanders]

To the point of lesser viewed videos. I have noticed as well KZbin recommending me smaller creators recently.

[@sithdude2436]

​@@TheBenSandersSame here. I've been recommended videos with less than 100 views multiple times in the last few months. I don't usually watch them because I'm not interested, but it's nice to get recommended stuff from smaller creators.

[@cripplingdepression213]

Now that you mentioned it.. I also got recommendations for small creators recently 🤔 it's really good that they at least given a chance to be known

[@bazah23]

Yeah KZbin is recommending me small creators too

[@Dipj01]

Yeah I get recommendations of smaller creators atleast once or twice everyday

[@Kingcobra6699]

I like it when someone is able to use language in your sarcastic but very on point way. Like every other sentence sounds polished, I wish more people were able to express themselves like that...😢

[@MoistMoments]

KZbin Should have a streaming section/tab/area that has more features.

[@DarkNight-bc4xk]

For KZbin, you have to add an add-on to your browser to fix the emote issue. Nairo has this on his channel, and it is amazing. Plus, there is a streaming mode add on too which fixes the video and chat placement format.

[@TsumeShiro]

I just want to jump in here on the discoverability side, as someone who is a "nobody" streamer and been trying this for years on both platforms. My twitch was a graveyard of people stopping by, 0-2 views on a 10 hour span. Here on YT, I average 20 views per stream and I usually go for 3 hours. Now these are some small numbers but its a literal 1000% view count boost. I honestly see YT as a better growth platform especially if you also make vids, music, and other content. Just my two cents from a tiny blip in the streaming space.

[@Geertzo]

Why does watching Charlie at 1.25 feel like 1.1 I swear Charlie has cracked the youtube code of all of his recodings are 0,8 speed or something. Respectable

[@themightylog2169]

What pushed you to speed up the videos? Haha

[@Geertzo]

@@themightylog2169 haha coz he talks so slow

[@Ayundaru]

My conspiracy theory is that KZbin has purposefully designed chat to be unreadable so as to encourage viewers to spend money so the streamer is able to read their message

[@AxSKamikaze]

I appreciate you making this video. This is the first comparison I've seen where someone wasn't obviously biased towards one platform or the other.

[@theflyings1490]

6:20 this also makes a great argument for KZbin premium as you can turn off your phone and you can listen like it's a radio

[@Baseds_Backup_Account]

Twitch makes me cringe in fear whereas KZbin makes me grateful to be alive tbh.

[@wealthybone2990]

Didn't expect I'd see Charlie make a video like this but honestly I like Twitch and KZbin for their own reasons but I wish there was a way to mix both.

[@Whaccd]

Nice basketball analogy Charlie, I'm glad you can share your own personal struggles through your videos.

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

0:50 Yes, Jesus tell us the great news.

[@shiruki.fan.account]

The notifications on KZbin used to be a lot worse. Membership streams used to not get any notifications at all. Now they seem to be sent more often. It never made sense to me why they were so broken specially for paid content.

[@moni_dt]

8:45 I think it’s funny that English version of KZbin just says “join” without any further explanation, but in the German version, it is “Mitglied Werden” which means “Become a Member”.

[@giovannitigalo7011]

The lack of “chat culture” is exactly why I PREFER KZbin. Twitch is cringe as hell

[@seradisc2]

Something I've noticed with youtube streams is if you schedule them in advance a lot of people will join them and try to talk to you in live chat. Even though it says at the bottom left that the video isn't live for X Days and Hours. I really do think youtube does a poor job of communicating streams. But now that someone big like charlie is here maybe youtube will listen and make changes to improve the streaming side.

[@Ancient128]

In the Portuguese version, the "Join" button says "Seja Membro", which translates to "Become a Member"

[@adultman3175]

Essentially youtube needs some UI designers to really buckle down and find out how to attract people to watch

[@vincenthernandez2242]

I think they chose to have the chat messages flow nonstop so that only super chats get noticed

[@DoctorBones1]

@@MamadNobari Btw birds are government surveillance devices and the moon isnt real

[@wolfbournethefirst5055]

The best thing about KZbin streaming is the lack of ads.

[@VyrisVT]

One of the few positive things about Twitch is live discoverability and even that is awful for small streamers. When you don't have many viewers, you're pushed to the very bottom of the list and you're effectively invisible. When I switched to Twitch, 99% of my chatters still found me through KZbin. Offline discoverability on KZbin usually hard carries small streamers imo

[@itsawill9268]

2:01 chat culture is bad it’s nice when the chat is for the streamer

[@riccardodellorto4267]

Being able to go back while watching the live, instead of going to the channel and looking for the vod, it's one thing I would like to see implemented on twitch

[@drdropshot5743]

As someone who’s tryna get serious with streaming thank you🙏🏻, I’ve always struggled with what platform may be better for me and this def helps clear things up more, great lil video

[@Uknown291]

nobody cares you're gonna stream bum lol

[@stonedtowel]

As someone who has never downloaded twitch and never been entertained by streaming content, I’ve always enjoyed watching the drama twitch has provided our society.

[@zairvix]

I like that past youtube livestreams have their own comment section once they go into the live tab

[@julainstone8683]

As someone that has never cared about chat, Twitch has seemed vastly inferior to KZbin for many years now. Watching the NFL on KZbin and Twitch really sealed it, being able to rewind, slow down, fast forward and pause the stream is way more important than chat to me.

[@yeemoo9657]

Bots

[@YuYuYuna_]

Meh. To each their own. Personally the entire fun of watching someone play video games live is to interact with the content in chat and talk to other people in chat and just BS around and have a good time. Twitch has clips and VODs. I've never felt I need or want to rewind a stream ever. If there's a moment I want to rewatch I make a clip of it. KZbin's layout for live content is just disgusting compared to Twitch IMO. The stream should cover the majority of the screen and chat should be longer vertically. Also Theater mode doesn't work properly with KZbin Live which is another deterrent for me. I like to put streams in theater mode on Twitch and have chat open or close it. KZbin's layout for finding new streams and checking who that you follow is Live is awful. Navigation and UI is honestly the biggest thing holding KZbin back. They just refuse to create a separate UI for Live streaming and finding Live content. On Twitch if I want to check who I usually watch is Live I can either click "following" at the top or check the icons on the left nav bar and hover over them to see what they are streaming. Twitch's layout is entirely centered around finding the content you want as quickyl and seamlessly as possible. Say Im getting bored of a stream or the stream ends? 1 click on the side nav bar and I'm on another stream I follow. KZbin's rewind, slow down, fast forward and pause features aren't enough to make me use it over Twitch. In my opinion what's the point of watching someone stream video games Live if I can't interact with them or engage in a chat and meme and BS about and use emotes from other channels I'm subscribed/have a membership to.

[@Kanggaxx]

I love Charlie's streams. They are so silly and goofy, and just a chill, friendly good time. I am glad I get to see some streams here on YT. I just wish they would upgrade their chat and emotes. Some Vtubers do have specific chat cultures however. It can be done but it requires subs so you can create more emotes, but they are only specific to that channel. We have no Pepe.

[@kylespevak6781]

The discoverability argument is really strange considering I watched a KZbin essay on how only the top twitch streamers really get promoted because it's what makes the website the most money

[@kosmosyche]

As a user to me YT is like an old but lived in and comfortable home vs Twitch which feels more like a trip to a foreign and exotic country where nobody speaks my language, everyone worships some weird gods and the laws are so strange and difficult to understand, you never know whether you're gonna be arrested for looking at a portrait of their "Dear Leader" the wrong way and also no maps around or anyone you can ask for directions. Every time I tried to watch something on Twitch I felt extremely uncomfortable and frustrated. That whole "culture" they talk about, it is definitely not for me. 😆

[@oreomouze9387]

Charlie never fails to make me glorp all over the place

[@CheePufStudios]

@OfficerBMTok

[@IOSARBX]

penguinz0, You're the best! I subscribed because I love your content!

[@MoPieRobinson]

Super stoked you came to youtube, I found your content about 2 months ago and really have dove deep into your channel. I really enjoy your sense of humor and the attitude/takes you have on stuff. Plus, your live streams are entertaining as hell. Keep the moist energy alive Mr. White. 😂

[@SilverCrow000]

When I tried streaming on Twitch I felt like it was a Starfield planet, on YT it feels like I at least get a few people to watch, for example, I streamed Lies of P today and had a total of 22 1/2 hours of watchtime, which for me is a lot. Twitch I feel like I'm just constantly talking to myself with no hope of getting someone to watch what I'm doing.

[@wep_vs]

the VOD part is incorrect, because it logs the chat it's an absolutely different, and preferable, method of watching missed streams because you can see and enjoy those chat reactions

[@techboy04gaming44]

One thing I do love about YT Streaming is the VODs are permanent with choice to private, unlist, or simply publish, in Twitch, it only lasts a few weeks.

[@anonony9081]

KZbin isn't going to fix their chat because it encourages people to super chat. If you don't super chat on KZbin there's no way you're going to get noticed because of the endless stream of chats coming in

[@nuggetdoozy7831]

DUDE, your KZbin streams DO look much cleaner! I thought my eyes were going bad on twitch 😅 Ty 4 this

[@seasad1900]

the toxic twitch "culture" is the worst thing about the platform, they are just abusive to anyone who isn't a guy, i am kinda glad you switched to youtube, the platform isn't that good for chatting but you don't have to intract with/look at abusive comments

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

I think it's because it's such a small community that skews young, that they feel threatened at any outsider

[@FieryFoxGirl]

Funnily enough, I found a new stream on youtube and it's the only stream community i'm in regularly. It's a one in a million lol

[@humanbean3]

at least he explained why he doesnt read youtube chat at all when he's streaming on youtube lol

[@calvinhalvin6074]

I feel like Charlie is gonna lay some much needed groundwork for KZbin streaming with his involvement

[@TeskoMilk]

Hippo shit