ISHIZU TEARLAMENT - Ten Minute Testing

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[@Chestnnut]

"I wish yugioh had more interactions rather than just negates. I really like when decks go back and forth on either turn" I said, as a finger on the monkey's paw curled.

[@mateusrp1994]

God, I know that feeling.

[@Ragnarok540]

People complained about the negates and Konami listened.

[@IridescentKySoul]

On the monkeyboards paw

[@24kam48]

"either turn"

[@J3Puffin]

For my part, I wanted another Lightsworn-Esque deck… I sincerely apologize

[@Raminator243]

I feel like Konami heard people’s complaints about modern combo decks being too uninteractive and then made Tearlament a bit too interactive.

[@ygodecktestertube]

😂

[@anakinsmith4770]

are they though they end off multiple disruptions including ones that out board breakers like dark ruler and mystic mine. not only that anything if you do anything it will end up in them disrupting you on the crack back. I argue a dragon link negate board far more beatable consistently than tear ishizu

[@ducky36F]

Tear is interactive in the sense that you get to watch your opponent play, and then get to watch them do it again on your turn. It’s only interactive if you’re also playing a deck that plays on your opponents turn. Like Tear or Floo.

[@juvenileygo]

The fault here is making every starter a handtrap. Unless every deck gets their own havnis/ishizu/bystial, none can compete

[@anakinsmith4770]

@@ducky36F pretty much you hit the nail of the head

[@DrAiPatch]

It's wild that the 1st tier 0 deck that is named after an anime character is Ishizu

[@Neg2YGO]

And has is a homophone

[@chrispambo1539]

Where's my Luna Tier-0 at ?

[@Sp3llmen]

I’d still say performapal was worse since it got hit only a month or so after release but ya it’s debatable

[@ygodecktestertube]

@@Sp3llmen He said a deck named after an anime character.

[@lokiswager]

A character who's only on-screen duel was a complete loss, as well.

[@zephshoir]

Using Mannequin Cat to summon End of Anubis at just the right time during Game 2 of the Best of 3 Match was super neat!

[@lucaslennan3356]

Mathmech is the new Satellarknight, Spright is BA and Tear is Nekroz. This is a new era folks.

[@junglezone7323]

BA will always find some way to be relevant

[@davidjimenez3822]

oh boy I can't wait for the day we can say 8 Years in response of Gigantic summoning a frog

[@adrianofeixa5026]

And floo is cli.

[@lucaslennan3356]

Now that I think about it Runick being BA and Spright being Shaddoll seems to fit better. Infinite grind deck being relevant forever and usable as an engine seems to fit Runick better than Spright.

[@CANWEGETMUCHHIGHERRRR]

@@lucaslennan3356 floo?

[@basedandconfused6357]

Props on Joseph for talking at length about how intriguing the mirror ist without showing the mirror in this tmt. Give us the chainlinks!!!

[@-clod-8948]

I wish you showed a set of the mirror match as it is probably the most important match up currently for the deck.

[@StormKidProductions]

This is 10 minute testing, not 10 hour testing

[@-clod-8948]

@@StormKidProductions ur a clown

[@Leonardo-ms2nk]

He probably didn’t want to go through that headache 😅

[@IdentityChrist]

If MBT thinks the ishizu mirror format is so great and fun, he should have no problems showing it off in a video... Right?

[@Limos1590]

Those matches are extremely complex, skill testing, and after activating and resolving 15 effects each ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAPPENS. It's the worst of both worlds! Interminable boring combos that don't even win the game! Just two dipshit assholes jerking off their mermaid waifu decks for an hour and doing nothing.

[@evolto1617]

The concept of Ishizu Tear isn't terrible, responding to your opponent's cards during their turn in a way that isn't just negating them. But the end results of Ishizu Tear specifically is watching your opponent spend 15 minutes milling and chaining while you sit there milling quietly if you're not playing Ishizu Tear. For the format specifically, yes the Ishizu Tear mirror is extremely skill based, but that only matters if your playing the mirror, play anything else and it's like playing against unga bunga combo but they can do it when you're going first. TLDR; play anything other than Ishizu Tear and you're gonna have a bad time.

[@RepTheoAndFriends]

Well Naturia Ishizu does not have the same power level, but when playing vs Ishizu Tear, you also do stuff in their turn, if they mill your cards. So this feels actually super interactive. However I noticed many decks (for instance Exosister) lose to these kinds of decks very quickly if they don't draw Shifter.

[@A1D7]

Well yes, that's what a tier 0 format is.

[@suezuccati304]

You'll feel your sins crawling in your back.

[@chaotixthefox]

Floo has interaction vs Tear, so does Spright, so does any Bystial list.

[@suezuccati304]

@@chaotixthefox yeah, but ishizu tear has interactions against ishizu tear. why would you play floo over tear? To me it makes no sense because tear is good against tear, and floo is the most boring deck of all time and worse than tear.

[@ogeid772]

The big problem for me is that this deck is only really skill testing in the mirror, what i mean by that is that unless both players are playing Ishizu Tears specifically, the deck is a lot more forgiving, it isnt difficult to mill what you want when you mill upwards of 15 cards per turn, not to mention the deck punishes the opponent a lot for just playing the game, like Havnis and Scream basically plus you if the opponent does something as basic as normal summon a guy or activate a monster effect, that's not really feasible to play around, you either play the game and allow the opponent to combo off during your turn or dont play the game and let them combo off during their turn because you have no interaction. I like that the deck is skill testing in the mirror, but if the deck makes it so that the game can only be enjoyable in the mirror, something has to change.

[@Suzaku_Mizutani]

As a duelist, I understand that it's skill testing and isn't just an insta-win strategy. This isn't a VFD, Utopic Zexal, Scythe Lock, etc. But at the same time, when it makes many previously good decks, including ones that were able to handle the deck decently before the new support into chaff, while basically the only way to win is to play the same deck, or to build a deck so targeted at specifically THIS that it's frankly ridiculous. Yes, having targeted strategies against decks isn't new -- all those cosmics in the side deck are proof of that -- but when you're making both your main AND side deck as just more ways to attempt to beat this one deck... yeesh. There's also the fact that the deck is... nigh brick proof? Basically everything has an effect somewhere, and even though mills are RNG, when you're dealing with anywhere from 3-15 or so mills, you're *GOING* to find what you wanted. And as a spectator... I hate it. It's boring to watch, it's confusing and it pains me to realize that it's like... just this. Interacting is fun, but when we're on the 3rd chainlink 5+ on turn one, and come the second turn it already looks like the 3rd turn... it's terrible. The concept of turns lost its meaning. And again, yes, playing extensively on your opponent's turn isn't a new thing; fuck, look at Floo or if you wanna get a little spicy, Crystron. But normally, in order to play on your opponent's turn, you needed to have gone first, not being able to have essentially both players have a turn 1, and the Tear player still gets the advantage of the first battle phase.

[@isaacmontano5855]

couldn't disagree more as a spectator, how is it boring to watch, because you don't understand the cards? Pasadena finals I was at the edge of my seat, the duelists were literally using shuffle backs in baffling positions simply to not allow bystial summons, Jessie Kotten literally got dwellered 2 times in game 3 of finals, and still only lost because the last card in Hani Jawhari's hand was a 2nd copy of bystial pizzahut and the man banished his 1st copy of it summon the one from hand while dodging the dark take, what more do you want in a duel as a spectator?

[@DoctorOaks]

I agree with when I saw MBT discussing the subject with Farfa. The current format is very skill heavy, even if everything is tear or made to beat tear. There's so many points of interaction on both sides every game that it's really challenging to play effectively. However, MBT did say that while it's like a good player's wet dream right now that he does agree with the idea that the format would be more interesting if there were more decks that functioned like Tear

[@SexyPotatoDancer]

@@isaacmontano5855 while the finals were undoubtedly some of the best yugioh I've seen in years, the point that sticks out as especially salient to me is the concept of yugioh not really having turns anymore. It eliminates much of the sense of pacing that yugioh was built upon. It's one less game mechanic that we can count on working as it was intended. And honestly, it's not really tear's fault (aside from maybe havnis) so much as it is the ishizu cards. I was pretty fine with tear prior to their release.

[@Zaffo_]

@@DoctorOaks all the people that are complaiming probably prefer seing the oppo setting 80 floodgates, in my opinion with tear at least i can try to play

[@luminous3558]

@@Zaffo_ Thats just you being lacking info though. If the opponent flips a floodgate most players know whether they can still win or should scoop for time reasons. Vs Tear you just don't get that "Oh I lost moment" as easily. If they get a decent mill you probably lost but you won't know until you play it out. If your deck cares about the grave and they hit mudora/keldo you probably aren't winning.

[@JudojugsVtuber]

I think there's a balance between "lots of variety but everyone is playing solitaire" and "One deck minus 5-10 techs that's fun to play in a mirror". We've had similar types of balance before in past formats albeit briefly. Formats like Duelist Alliance had multiple top deck contenders then a variety of very viable and topping lower tiered strategies. The main issue and why it seems like nobody can be happy in my eyes at least is that Konami refuses to do something MTG did long ago which was set a power level and stick around that level for all future releases. Every time the community thinks the powercreep has hit a plateau there's suddenly a huge spike in power from a tier 0 deck (which then gradually gets crept itself) and then another lul. It's kind of just the limbo of the yugioh metagame. Maybe in say 5-10 more years they'll finally cap out on how much cards can do while still fitting the text on cards and we'll actually see the true highest possible powerlevel yugioh can reach.

[@four-en-tee]

Nah, they'll require people to play with bifocals

[@straypaper]

Tear is at least a step to the right direction. We have interactions now. All that's left is to release more Tear-leveled decks and we will then have lots of options to play extreme levels of interactions.

[@gutsbadguy50]

​@@straypaperyeah but RIP to all the older archetypes. The game is going to be so different in a few years, itll make the pre-tear meta look like boomer yugioh.

[@straypaper]

@@gutsbadguy50 not necessarily. They can release new supports and make them meta or at least rogue just like Hero or Naturia. I swear those two always pops in when people least expect them to

[@Belligol.]

This format seems very fun and skill based Only if you play ishizu tear, anything else gets completely drowned out and it isn't fun to play when you can't even activate a single effect before your opponent goes crazy and makes a turn 0 board before you can even establish your own

[@xTxCxMx]

Yeah, thats why I hate this. I love brewing jank. Ishizu tear invalidates 90% of other decks in the game, and not in a "oh you shouldn't play this if you want to top" way but a "literally nothing you will do will let you win ever" way. Decks that would win maybe 1/4 matches vs top decks pre mama now take maybe FIVE HOURS of testing to achieve the same result

[@four-en-tee]

@@xTxCxMx Just play Neko Mane

[@xerospades]

@@four-en-tee that solve nothing

[@geiseric222]

Well skill based is gonna naturally favor less diverse formats. It’s basically a choice, do you want skill based or a diverse format.

[@xerospades]

@@geiseric222 you can have skill based and be diverse.

[@gustavogalli2359]

what a time to be awake

[@zachc9593]

I love it, came home from drinking to mbt, so good

[@dyloncampbell7124]

What mbt mean?

[@eliascsjunior]

@@dyloncampbell7124 menbissexualtransexual

[@IdentityChrist]

Can't wait for next week's One Hour Testing, where the episode is exactly the same except that best of three is against an actual meta deck - another Ishizu Tearlaments.

[@olliezoop]

I think the main thing that frustrates me about the ishizu stuff in particular is that mudora and keldo individually invalidate so many other possible deck options just by existing. Lots of decks that are grave reliant but aren't even dark / light decks weak to bystials die really hard to getting stuff shuffled away at a critical time, and the ishizu cards do it so easily and at essentially no cost. Besides that tho, I do at least appreciate that ishizu tear is outrageously strong without locking you out of the game entirely like nekroz did back when that was tier 0.

[@xTxCxMx]

Yeah those two are absolutely absurd and make so many matchups unwinnable.

[@four-en-tee]

All 4 should be limited, thats the only way to fix this deck. Tearlaments already have so many fucking mill options. If it continues to be an issue, ban the shuffle back cards.

[@thebigandlazyguy246]

The thing is, while I doesn't lock you out of the game entirely, once the board is established you're gonna have just as hard a time winning as you would against a board that locks you out. Different looks, same result.

[@Rizwaan122]

I didn't think much of them much when I first saw them on edopro but after a couple games I realised... They're absolutely bonkers

[@Howardax]

@@thebigandlazyguy246 Playing against tear-ishizu or tear-kashtira is kinda like trying to break through a wall that you've been told is made of wood, only to discover with every punch that it's actually titanium despite other people's insistence to the contrary. Whereas peak Nekroz or any other 'lock-out' deck, is just like trying to break through what you know is going to be a titanium wall.

[@ThisAintAStupidName]

I've never seen a Yugioh deck look so much like MTGs Vintage Dredge before.

[@sadrobot5501]

Combine it with a MTG Legacy Flash Hulk deck and you have the complete picture

[@arpenki9938]

I remember going to my locals, and seeing a tearlament ishizu mirror. Their duel lasted the whole fucking 40 minutes of the round. This deck is fun and balanced I swear.

[@-clod-8948]

I remember going to my locals, and seeing a ghost trick mirror. Their duel lasted the whole fucking 40 minutes of the round. This deck is fun and balanced I swear.

[@CATCHTHERAINB0W_]

buddy 40 minutes is nothing. I once had a generaider-eldlich game that took 90, and only ended due to a disconnect.

[@slavakaterinovic1599]

At my first time at locals with shaddoll magistus i played against invoked dogmatika eldlich. Game 1 lasted for 50 minutes.

[@Effrenatus]

A 40 minute match isn't out of place in any format lol, that's pretty normal

[@Rasalhage_handle]

oh it's not balanced at all; but it really *is* fun

[@mekklord]

Nothing wrong with the best deck being interactive and incredibly skill-testing I just wish there was more than one playable deck in this format

[@kacpikachu5951]

Exactly. My issue with the format is not Ishizu Tear, it’s that Ishizu Tear is the only thing worth playing. The only way to enjoy competitive rn is if you both have the deck and like playing it.

[@lloydbagby8355]

Eh to be fair it not fucking zoo it what I call high roll teir 0

[@teddywarlock5379]

I see what you mean. Over in Master Duel, there's like three top decks currently. Those being Branded Despia, Swordsoul and Floo. Possibly four, because I think Scareclaws might actually be really strong too.

[@sonic21blast88]

Poor mathmech so much hype behind it then mama came around

[@z-one5941]

The biggest problem were the Bystal cards, they hard counter Mathmech. Same goes for decks like Eldlich and Sky Striker, Bystal hard counter everything that's Light and Dark

[@111IronSyde]

Remember when drytron was a sleeper that just got benten back?? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[@Aaron0000014]

If light/dark is prevelant in the meta any deck that plays them will get snubbed by everyone playing bystials

[@WhipLash42o]

I guess we’re just gonna pretend like Mathmech weren’t overhyped and mediocre before mama lmfao.

[@MarioLopez-xs3vc]

Bystials don't actually hard counter anything BUT Mathmech and Drytron, which have annoying locks that keep the decks from just running them well themselves. Sky Striker has Linkage for specialing out now and can use the Bystials for Link climbing and H.A.M.P crashing, Eldlich can just chain revival stuff to their effects and keep their board empty by sitting on Floodgates so they can't be used as interruption, but Drytron is bad at using monsters that can be both Normal and special summoned and Mathmech's Cyberse locks can also make them bricky to use at times and gimp Superfactorial's effectiveness significiantly. The big issue with the Ishizu cards is that strategies that make use of the graveyard in decent capacity get their tools shuffled back and ones that don't get their answers to the deck milled, so any deck isn't exactly on those cards or Graveyard Stun is going to be impossible to use effectively. And despite all the interactions involved, Ishizu Tear itself IS technically a Graveyard Stun strategy, Stun isn't just about spamming floodgates like Abyss Dweller and Necrovalley, but also spamming interactions that tenpirarily lock people out of plays in a reliable fashion, something the deck is doing on top of racing to Abyss Dweller in the mirror.

[@StevieBlunderReal]

Personally, I don't agree with the "You are either playing a format with multiple decks that all end on boring one-sided games or playing a Tier 0 skilled format with Ishizu Tear" take. You 100% can have a format that is both inclusive towards multiple decks within a format that is not reliant on floodgates or build a board of negates. Look at TOSS and Swordsoul format.

[@ZDH513]

I like how he says the deck is great cause it doesn't aim to lock you out of playing as if we didn't see someone Abyss Dweller 4 turns in a row in Game 3 of the Finals of YCS Pasadena.

[@eldavid8774]

That right there proves him right, they played like10 turns while under a floodgate and with both players interacting, ypu didnt see that in the pre pote format

[@diamondsanchez224]

So, I disagree in regards to liking the format. Yes, this deck is skill intensive, but we've had skill intensive formats in the past that were interactive and skillful while offering variety. July of last year was a good example of that imo, and so was TOSS format, hence how it's so beloved people still play it. Secondly, Tier 0 formats, including this one, are EXTREMELY unfriendly to budget players. Tier 0 decks are almost never cheap. The only way to compete at all right now on a budget is to maybe play Flunder. Diverse formats tend to be cheaper, due to how many viable decks there are. I'm a firm believer that some of the best formats are the most budget-friendly ones. While I understand to compete in YGO, you need to offer some money, it shouldn't cost a kidney just to compete. Thirdly, while this deck doesn't focus on negation, the Ishizu Tearlament cards give so much Graveyard control that you can't really compete with Graveyard-reliant decks, which take up about 90% of decks. Most decks instantly lose to one Mudora or Keldo shuffle-back, even ones that were powerful right before MAMA. While this doesn't involve negation, this still can shut off interactivity for the other player if they aren't also on Ishizu Tears or the small niche of decks that don't care about their Graveyards. Fourth, the banlist was created to stop players from using the same 20-30 cards. Yu-Gi-Oh, at its core, is a trading card game where one of the key features is customizing your deck and competing with your strategy. If you can only win with 30 cards, this might as well just be Poker or something similar rather than a TCG. Being able to play with different builds allows for this. I'm aware there's always a meta in YGO, but even 10-ish strategies being competitively viable can at least allow for more experimentation and creativity, something pro players get to express much of their skill in through deckbuilding. I mean no disrespect with this comment btw. I love your content and personality. I'm just throwing out my thoughts and opinions. Tldr: we don't need a Tier 0 to have interactivity. We can have budget friendly, diverse formats that also involve skill. This ain't it.

[@ygodecktestertube]

Well, I still play an infinite negations deck, so fuck it.

[@zeo4481]

That's a valid point, but it's this the most interactive Teir 0 deck ever? Would you rather be locked by Colosis or Nekroz Unicorn , orrrr have complete control in a match where your opponent doesn't have a single concrete end board in mind and is just going whit the flow which you can influence by playing Bystials/Shiftet/D.D Crow/Nekomain Cat/Demise of the Land/Dweller/Barrier Statues/Summon Limit/Mystic Mine (at ratios based on your strategy) all cards that beat Tear and dont beat summon Unicorn Using Jin pass. If you couldn't tell how much i hate Nekroz format.

[@diamondsanchez224]

@@zeo4481 I understand, and like I said, this is a skill intensive deck, but the overall picture is that it's not healthy for the game. Ishizu Tears are too expensive, and it really only becomes a test of skill when your opponent is also on the deck. Otherwise it basically is a blowout. There's multiple things that make a format good. Being skill-intensive is one of them, but it's really the only checkbox at all that this format fills.

[@Howardax]

Absolutely nailed it man, great take. I'd rather allow degenerate strategies like Colossus/Djinn-Nekroz exist if they at least allow the opponent to A: have a chance when said opponent goes first, and B: have budget-friendly (or any viable) alternate decks to compete against it. Tear-ishizu allows for none of these. I hate this deck so much that it's driving me away from the game, omni-negation comes second only to omnipotence.

[@pivotcreator2]

@@Howardax more over those sort of decks can be kept in check by handtraps and board breakers. Tear isn’t anymore, bystials are the only good option, but they aren’t nearly enough. And they in turn are generally much less useful in other matchups

[@Stardust_262]

END OF ANUBIS JUMPSCARE

[@mia_2043]

Ngl I haven't played YGO in ages but your description of the format makes me want to hop back in

[@construct8295]

You will regret it. Dont

[@SunnyHF-nf4bc]

@Mia #_# It’s mainly enjoyable for the true pros. But if you’re a casual like myself, you may not enjoy the current format.

[@DrIMPRATICAL]

MBT here is biased by his own admission, he likes the format right now It's not nearly as fun as he seems to think it is, Tear mirrors are a slog to play and you actually have to be present and paying close attention while your opponent combos because of your own triggers This is a meta almost exclusively enjoyed by people who play this game for a living

[@tsukamesuccess7332]

Do it! It's one of the most enjoyable formats I've ever played

[@Speedracer6]

@@DrIMPRATICAL tear mirrors are a slog because you actually have to play the game and cant flowchart your way to 10 negates in a legitimate back and forth that we've been asking for in a while. How terrible.

[@Jaddas]

I am so thankful for the part where you talked about the format. I constantly see people complaining about it and seeing someone actually acknowledge the good things about the format was really nice.

[@tsukamesuccess7332]

hard agree

[@DiabloTraeluz]

Guy who has Tear Ishizu: yeah i really like this current tier zero format

[@DiabloTraeluz]

Like, I dunno Mr. Rothschild I feel like any format the skews totally into a single deck is also not healthy for the game, in comparison to multiple decks that use game locks. You're only interacting with your opponent if you're also playing a graveyard strategy at least Tear Ishizu and at most you are literally running the same deck. I'm almost entirely certain that no yugioh player that isn't already running Tear Ishizu wants to play in the Tear Ishizu format.

[@florinalinmarginean1135]

Yeah. That said, I really like how Tear plays (much better than getting locked out of the game by some floodgate), however it's the only archetype that has access to this kind of playstyle. No other deck has an archetypal hand trap that starts their combos on their opponent's turn while every single card is a starter and extender at the same time

[@ceresgc]

"Interactive, skill-intensive and exciting matches that use 30 of the same cards" you just described goat format

[@larhyperhair]

I love back and forth gameplay in yu gi oh, and I love the way that isis' cards play into her hold exchange of the spirit build, with the whole milling and putting cards back thing. I just wish it was in anything other than tear it gives me migraines. I absolutely want YGO To move away from negates, I love that battle focused hand traps like bystial are coming back, and I absolutely love that decks like floo and swordsoul and spright are getting their booty's blasted because they 100% deserve it. But having a completely one sided format is never fun, and I miss my favorite older interactive decks being playable because I'm still a yugiboomer at heart.

[@samdiggins6084]

This has nothing to do with Yu-Gi-Oh, but is anyone else deeply unsettled with MBT's closet being ever so slightly open in the background? Shit like that scares the hell out of me.

[@NickWuebker]

Depending on how the next couple of events go, I could see Konami dropping an adjusted list to try and reign Ishizu/Tear in a little bit.

[@MomirViggwilv]

No disrespect but this is cope.

[@ahlixemus8903]

@@MomirViggwilv Is it really cope when there is this much DIVERSITY?

[@Ms666slayer]

@@ahlixemus8903 Yeah is Cope, Konami has only made one emergency list, and has never done it again even with Tier 0 Zoo, and Spyral which was a way worst tier 0 format than this one.

[@ygodecktestertube]

Highly unlikely. It's really not that big of a deal. Like, c'mon. Let's be realistic.

[@JudojugsVtuber]

Ishtear will stay meta for 2-3 years then get replaced with whatever crazy floodgate and/or big dick combo deck shows up next on the release schedule. At least that's basically what happened with SPYral, Zoo, and Nekroz.

[@quantumgargoyle3888]

In regards to your Faustian bargain you raised about interaction vs diversity, I would like to offer a third option. ITS POSSIBLE TO HAVE BOTH IF YOU DESIGN CARDS BETTER AND USE YOUR BANLIST EFFECTIVELY

[@sky_shu]

"Desgin cards better" Thats such a non solution to the problem How do you desgin cards "better"? By adding locks to type/attribute/name? By not giving it a negate? By not letting it summon boss monsters not in its archtype? By making it let your opponent draw cards?

[@dotreant5264]

Yea, i agree...floodgates are boring to play with and against, theres is no point to lock your opponent out of the game un yu gi oh, like this type of interaction is good , but if more archerypes had access to in-archetype hand traps to play like this would be great

[@andrejv.2834]

@@sky_shu restrictions are usually the way to go, the ishizu cards in particular would've been a lot healthier if they for example locked you into 1-2 gy effects the turn you use them, so this way you couldn't mill 10, shuffle back 6 and perform 3 fusion summons all in one turn The shuffle part is extremely frustrating too, without that the deck wouldn't have been nearly as good

[@quantumgargoyle3888]

@@sky_shu point being that most cards Konami prints are unplayable garbage. No reason in my mind why it has to be like that.

[@PoyoSpartan547]

@@sky_shu good suggestions there, no clue why all the new archetypal handtraps plus you for no reason while having no downside and no clue why tears don't have any kind of lock to them

[@OneArmedMadman]

My plan to counter this is to play chain-burn. Except I'm going to put Jackpot 7 in the deck, so making me mill is a win condition for me.

[@yasharthpandey6317]

It will just get shuffled back by Mudora and Keldo.

[@OneArmedMadman]

@@yasharthpandey6317 nahhhhh you just gotta believe

[@dank16]

For this specific TMT, final match it would have been cool to see a mirror.

[@HoppouChan]

I would agree except I have like exactly the 4 cheapest cards in this list and the rest costs more than I make in a month. Until they reprint it as OTS supers I hate it

[@JasSpy]

What MBT didn't show, and what I secretly know, is that the Floo game, which I piloted Floo in, actually continued as a best of 3, because Rebby accidentally forgot to make it a best of 1. While the game 1 which is featured here in the tmt saw me creamed by Ishtear, in game 2, I easily set up an unbreakable Floo board and won, and then in game 3... well, idk. I guess Rebby just didn't get good mills, and only ended on a Bagooska which I easily outted for the win. TL;DR, Floo can decently win a match against Ishtear.

[@vyrax401]

Game 1 could be different story if you had shifter as your 5th card, not 6th TrollDespair

[@Melphisto_]

IT'S FLOO'S HOUR BABY

[@MrAndrew2172]

I love this format. It's skillful. It's interactive. It's not set up 6 negate board + Scythe lock.

[@lordgoenutz1094]

the negation of the zipper down to piss with Orange Light had me dying on the floor

[@SuperMasterk1]

For those of you who haven't seen this decklist from the deck reporting for the event, skull mark ladybug is in the side deck. Which is just amazing to see

[@Solanne11]

When I first heard about Tears, I was so excited because I love Lightsworns and figured they’d work well together Then I found out they were THE meta and no I’m upset 😢 The same thing happened with Virtual World, I thought they seemed neat and then turns out everyone hated them

[@adamjunod3426]

Oh wow you're just like me, my two favorite decks are lightsworn and virtual world. Have both decks irl too 😄

[@pokefantrent2065]

@@Fayeseti in all fairness their first game plan was to lock you out VW is why VFD got banned after it got banned they immediately fell off they were still good but no longer the meta

[@dynomite9524]

@@thezestylime0989 You're much more cringe the VW names are amazing. Fucking Nyannyan

[@gatocochino5594]

@@Fayeseti VW entire strategy was VFD turbo.

[@gatocochino5594]

@@Fayeseti I said was. It seems VW players can't read.

[@bradysfire]

I love this format I am happy playing birbs lol

[@pretends2know]

What I've learned from Tier 0 formats over the years is that it isn't the monotony that kills them in the first few months: it's the price tags. The monotony will get you eventually, but it's the deck costs that will vacate the early crowds.

[@In.New.York.I.Milly.Rock.]

In regards to MBTs question: yes, this is one of the best tier 0 formats ever. Regardless, I do not like tier 0, (and simply don't enjoy mirrors, although I don't really know why I feel that way). While this format is certainly better than 3 or 4 floodgate fests decided on turn 1, I don't think we *have* to choose between one or the other. I'm aware of the fact that at some optimism becomes delusion, but I don't think it's literally impossible to have a format with 5 or 6 decks that feel interactive and skill intensive. Yes, it's VERY hard for that to be achieved, but if the healthiest gameplay we can currently have can only be found in Ishizu-Tear mirrors, I think the problem is bigger than just this specific format being good or not. Ban mystic mine anyway

[@luminous3558]

The quality of this format in peoples eyes is very skewed by us acknowledging the existence of spyral and gouki formats. Don't let MBT gaslight you into thinking that only tier 0 formats can ever be good. The whole last year have been great formats if we just got rid of floodgates.

[@Malister23]

Man tear 0 format even though it was a one deck format was so much more fun than the abysmal ones that followed it, floodgate to floodgate to floodgate since the kitkallos ban.....

[@vehicledestroyer]

This deck is literally one of the biggest problems ppl have with modern ygo lmao Takes forever to do a turn and then it takes forever for them to do a turn on your turn as well. Games not dead but it's clear to anyone who played when the game was healthy that it's definitely gone and continues to go down hill.

[@eldavid8774]

didnt you hear the man? there are pleyers who love this, just because you dont like it doesnt mean that there is not players who enjoy it, who are you to decide what is healthy?

[@vehicledestroyer]

@@eldavid8774 irony. Anyhow it's not hard to find multiple "influencers" and other top players who think the game sucks competitively not to mention the thousands of comments made every day on the subject across social media, but yea every single person likes the game lmao

[@eldavid8774]

@@vehicledestroyer am sorry, did i say every single person? Of course i dibt, Its also not hard to find influmcers and top players that like the format, like 1800 people went to pasadena, shouldnt the game be loosing people if its so universally hated?, why does konami keep making money?

[@vehicledestroyer]

@@eldavid8774 if you can't understand that people will play the game they are already HEAVILY invested in despite not liking it then idk how to explain it. Your argument that something is good is that people must like it I'd they partake in it. It's incredibly weak mostly because applied to a lot of stuff it doesn't make sense. Hitler was popular so he must have been a good guy right ? Lmao Ppl play this game and continue to play this game because it's an investment and I can promise you the reason more ppl don't play is because the game has inherent issues. It's why ppl been quitting for years. The way you're speaking and stanning for this game makes it sound like you think there aren't any issues when clearly there are.

[@eldavid8774]

@@vehicledestroyer wait, there are people who play something they dont like? A bunch of bozos are wasting their time and money on malding while making a megacorp even richer good lord, Ok bro i am gonna make you happy , you are 100% right, the game sucks and has done so for years and will only get worse, the cardboard toy is dead , but that means now you and all the other masochists can get a new hobby and the nonexistant players who still play it can enjoy it in peace, everybody wins, have a good day

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

ISHIZU effect mill 5 ? Well well, i milled 3 Wolfs.

[@MuteSpectre]

so crazy to me that Konami looked at Magic the Gathering's single most busted mechanic (dredge) and was like, "what if we made that but infinitely better"

[@ninjabreadman22]

Lol dredge isn't even top 3 dude Delve Phyrexian mana And must importantly fucking Storm All far and away more broken

[@MuteSpectre]

@@ninjabreadman22 there's an argument to be made for all of them but I say it's dredge simply because if a card has dredge 4 or above it is bannably strong, and the other text on the card literally doesn't matter.

[@MuteSpectre]

there are plenty of bad cards with storm or delve. The only bad cards with dredge are the ones that don't dredge enough.

[@johnnyhall9154]

God I miss this format, holy shit is this better than snake eyes

[@Bob12649]

So true brother

[@joshprice4855]

Upside to all this is if Konami actually listens to the discourse they might start building more interaction into archetypes in general. Its a big ask but it could happen

[@KyanbuXM]

I feel like that's where this is all going. Tear might be the start of a new standard for new and old archetype support.

[@obiesenpai3869]

Normally I don't necessarily like playing the same deck over and over again, but Ishizu Tear is actually extremely fun. The fact that it is fucking hard actually makes it seem more fun to play, though I am fucking autistic with a knack for puzzles and Ishizu Tear is like the dodecahedron rubiks cube of yugioh decks.

[@zeo4481]

0:32 Kekw That was actually insane! 🤣🤣👏👏

[@jayduel7897]

I think it is kind of the end of Yu-Gi-Oh as we know it. We were already in a sizable powercreep with power of the elements. Bysstials have rendered literally any GY reliant light or dark deck that's not branded,tear and dragon link unplayable. Ishizu fairies has rendered nearly every GY reliant deck unplayable. Only a few mill decks can play anymore, like tearlements right now bricky worse version little brother naturias. And how do they play? By playing ishizu fairies against the ishizu fairies. That my friends is not only anti any semblance of diversity,but extremely unhealthy. Very few decks are modern enough to play that also don't require the GY or use light/darks, hence why floowandereeze has rose from bricky rogue, to solid tier 2, to meta defining without receiving support. The sheer amounts of unplayable decks is unfathomable. Even archtypes that just came out within 2 years (dinomorphia,beetroopers, Ghoti) aren't seen above casual play. And other older archtypes like predaplants and gem knights that got support, didn't get support well enough to be viable. So many decks need support to be able to play now.but Konami spit it our faces by continuously giving branded.over 20 cards of support in a year,more tearlement and spright support after nonmeta decks were having trouble playing against them, dragon link support, swordsoul support, sky striker support,etc. Why top tier decks keep getting support, who knows

[@eldavid8774]

they get support because they make money, tear and spright have sold 3 separate sets on their own

[@drewcummings2453]

Imo the occasional tier 0 format is fine so long as a) the tier 0 deck in question is actually fun, and b) it doesn't last a literal year (looking at you zoo). Since the meta is such a known quantity it provides some interesting opportunities for rogue players to metagame it, and we get to see some cool tech cards for corner cases the deck produces. I think where it'll have gone too far is if we're still playing these mind-meltingly hard mirrors well into summer 2023. It's also ignoring the frustrating but inevitable price premium that tier 0 formats create, too much demand for the limited supply of cards. At the end of the day I welcome our new overlords, so long as they don't outstay their welcome.

[@doorto6152]

I’ll argue that the former answer to your question at 3:50:a diverse meta with auto-win cards is more financially accessible than a tier 0 interactive deck. That’s part of why I’m playing Master Duel instead of TCG: it’s cheaper. Even if they make every Tear a UR, it won’t be hard for a player to build a full deck for the price of a play set of Perlereino. I’m looking forward to exploring how I feel about this particular format when I experience it for myself in MD.

[@AzureKite619]

First format in a long while where I'm just dropping YGO until all this shit's over.

[@SunnyHF-nf4bc]

I recall you describing the Dragon Ruler mirror as one of the most skill-intensive versions of Yu-Gi-Oh! ever. It seems like the Tear mirror has taken the crown. Now before anyone attacks me, I’m not a fan of Tier 0 formats, but when two decks are equally powerful, it actually does come down to the skill of the pilot. That I actually respect. This will appeal to the pro players. Unfortunately, that scenario is only happening in Tearlament mirrors in competitive Yu-Gi-Oh! Konami could easily create a diverse meta with that kind of competitive atmosphere. They choose not to.

[@DrDrao]

There's been 3 fun tier zero formats: teledad, zoo pre fsub or nekroz post djinn. 4 if you count drulers. This one is up there for sure. I'd say it's just below nekroz in terms of funness, and absolutely number 1 in difficulty.

[@TheAusar]

Ahh yes the age old question: "gameplay VS deckbuilding", because you clearly can never have both.

[@chimera1381]

MBT, does variety really mean one sided floodgate and negation spam decks? Genuinely asking.

[@tsukamesuccess7332]

in early 2022 it does

[@defectivesickle5643]

That's a big strawman there. Apparently you can only have one or the other in his eyes

[@luminous3558]

MBT is just on his usual dogshit take with dishonest arguments again. Somehow tear is the first good deck we have ever had in yugioh history and every prior format was awful. We literally had branded earlier this year as the best deck which was just Tear but not gigabroken and unhealthy.

[@jimstewart4929]

As a long time fan of MTG's Dredge archetype (look it up for a laugh), I almost want to buy into yugioh to play this format, it looks rad

[@LazyLee]

This format feels like modern goat

[@dascher6769]

people then: ugh there is no interaction people now: ugh there is too much interaction

[@Hempujonsito]

Hmmm yeah, going to extremes in both directions is bad yeah bet you thought you had something when you posted this lmfao

[@krullachief669]

"I'm quitting for Digimon" nah, I'm staying here but also picking up Pokemon.

[@Xuvier]

You playing Mathmech in the skit was so BASED.

[@AshBlossomWorshiper]

I forgot who said it, but a yugituber said "how far removed your pet deck does in a metagame is inversly related to how much you like the metagame". My favorite deck of all time was and still is Dragon Rulers. So that's probably why I dont particulary mimd this teir 0 format.

[@TromboneMaster95]

I think this is a very fun and skill testing deck if you’re near the top of the tier list, or very specifically on Ishizu Tear. The problem with tier 0 formats IMO isn’t that their game plan means you can’t play, rather that their game plan means you can’t play most other decks. Nekroz tier 0 wasn’t miserable because you’d get djinn locked (well, not exclusively), it was miserable because if you weren’t playing Nekroz, you had to choose a deck that didn’t auto lose to Nekroz. Ishizu Tear is a dope concept and mirror matches are awesome, but there’s a reason the YCS didn’t feature many non Ishizu tear in top 32

[@deltaholmes173]

the issue with branded/swordsoul format were the dumb floodgates like scythe and mystic mine which will always be frustrating in any format, the issue with tears is that they are the best deck by a country mile and nothing else comes close, even if all the dumb floodgates get banned it will still be extremely centralizing because it's so strong by itself. not to mention, the bysstials being both handtraps and combo pieces sets a nasty precedent going forward with powercreep, instead of having to optimize ratios between combo starters and handtraps for interaction, you can just have them do both in the same card

[@CardCommander]

And it sort of feels like nothing's changed at all 🎵

[@darklombax2580]

Dang I joined 2018 in toss and never thought I would live long enough to see a tier zero

[@gspandem1204]

Honestly, i welcome this new format. We've never seen a Tier 0 deck allow for any form of interaction, past a few tech cards and anti meta decks that die whenever a new YCS rolls into town. But now with a definitive best deck that doesn't outright win every matchup except the mirror match, now an actual counter meta can form, something Yu-Gi-Oh rarely, if ever has outside of legacy formats.

[@spacewizardpip1111]

This why we drop D-Shifter. Well pray to open in with my Floow combos

[@survivorfreaknr]

I prefer a nice middle ground- a trinity/rock-paper-scissors format is waaay more preferable to a teir 0 or a build-a-board format. its still skill-intensive but doesnt lock out interaction

[@martinkurtz580]

the main problem i have with the current format is the huge money investment you have to make to be able to play at all. all the best decks are expensive as shit and anything else thats even a little bit affordable cant compete with spright and tearlament. edit: also i dont even have to mention the bystials and ishizu cards which are basically mandatory

[@gabe7156]

“In response to the zipper we’re going to go orange light” LOL

[@kacpikachu5951]

I’m going to push back against the “doesn’t lock you” thing. A deck that, without diluting itself, puts up a solemn warning, a continuous OPT monster negate, multiple spin backs, and an effective 1000 attack point debuff on all your monsters pretty handily locks you out of the game. And that’s not even touching on the fact that sending them to grave, the most common form of removal, doesn’t even deal with the problem. People who say “Oh, Tear is so interactive. They don’t lock you out of the game” is clearly basing that assessment off of exactly the mirror and nothing else. If it was truly as interactive and fair as people claim, it simply wouldn’t be T0. As for where I stand on the question in the video, the short version is that I think that being able to pilot a deck through a wide variety of other decks to land at the top is a more true test of skill than rising to the top because the only actual threat was a mirror match. I also believe that skill based doesn’t necessarily equal healthy, and that T0 formats are always unhealthy, regardless of whether one considers them skill based, because decks just don’t become T0 by being fair and balanced. That being said, the idea that it’s either an interactive T0 format or a variety format of solitaires is a false dichotomy. Variety and interactivity aren’t somehow mutually exclusive, and trying to paint them as such makes it seem like you’re trying to sell me something that I don’t want.

[@YumeBoi]

I don't play yugioh anymore, I'm a bystander that through the lens of content creators experience a part of what yugioh is rn. I like the tearalaments as cards, I wish they didn't feel like the only option; but since I don't play it doesn't bother me and I rather like seeing mbt or whoever else being hyped for the format, the other yugituber I watch probably didn't touch anything beside master duel for a while now so I think yugioh is a decent spot right now

[@wario1226]

A tier 0 format just means I'll get less hate for playing floo Copium

[@dejavureal]

I don't really care that we're in a Tear 0 format, mostly because I don't play competitive or IRL, but also because I think that there are arguments for and against it that are both valid. Now, I'm not an expert on Yugioh's past formats, but I've somewhat been paying attention to the metagame on-and-off since TOSS format, and slowly piecing together my understanding of formats prior to TOSS through stuff like the various progression series on the YugiTubing sphere. I do this because I find it interesting to know what decks are/were good or why they're good, even if I'm not playing them, and I like to believe this gives me a better understanding of the overall card pool of the game whenever the boys and I get together to play casually. I eventually heard about this deck called Floowandereeze and how everyone memes about it saying "our turn" and all that. Now I know making plays on the opponent's turn isn't new to Yugioh or anything, but Floo was the most recent iteration of what it actually means to "make plays on your opponent's turn." It set a new standard for how large those plays should be. Summoning a Barrier Statue effectively protecting your other monsters from the Battle Phase, or a Mega Raiza, which spins cards off the field for nearly no cost, are pretty strong plays, I'd say. And now with Ishizu Tear resolving what's effectively Grass on legs multiple times a turn, on either player's turn, potentially on *turn zero*, with no real fear of decking out? Again, I might be talking out of my ass as a mostly-casual player who's enjoyed spectating both sides of this children's card game, but looking forward, I don't know how power creep can get any worse, considering its newest form is making the turn order a mere suggestion instead of a regulation for the pace of the game. What I'm about to say, I don't necessarily expect to happen, as we're talking about Konami here, but if and/or when Master Rule 6 comes around, I think it should arrive with massive, never-before-seen changes to how the game is played, from a fundamental rule/procedure standpoint and an overhauled banlist to boot, or some kind of a "soft-reset" that sets us back a couple of eras in terms of how we play the game. I don't want another summoning mechanic, we have enough of those for a functional game to exist. Now I'm gonna sound like The Act Man here with some yugi-boomer-ish takes here, but one of the few things I agreed with him on was what he said about older mechanics being completely thrown to the wayside. 20 years of support for Rituals and their 1 (one) best deck was Tier 0 for a single event, scaring Konami into printing anything remotely good since, bar Drytrons. Once again, excuse me for my inexperience with past formats, but when was the last time Pendulum topped a YCS? I get that PePe was a terrible 2 weeks to play Yugioh but I don't think that should equate to making what's one of the highest-potential summoning mechanics seem like a raindrop compared to the waterfalls that have been Tear, Spright, Floo, Despia, Swordsoul, Prank-Kids, Eldlich, DPE, the list goes on. POTE had me interested in Sprights, but it wasn't enough to push me to learn the deck or play comp on DB. DABL introduced the Kashtira cards and I said "Wow these are really neat, I think I'll actually play the real game," but turns out, they're aggressively mid on their own without their support. And then the Ishizu cards came out and I have since retracted any desires to play TCG at least until PHHY. But even then, I know that the Tear 0 format will just evolve to become Ishizu Kash-tear-a. So for the time being, I guess I'll catch up with you all next year when this stuff hits Master Duel.

[@Closer2Zero]

I feel like the intro was a very good example of how i feel about the deck. Yes it seems like theres a lot of good and a lot of what players have asked for, but at the same time its almost like they do *too* much. As evidenced by the meme’d pics from the recent event

[@Merilirem]

The TEAR 0 pun will never get old.

[@thiagoventuradesousa7275]

I still prefer Mystic Mine format. The game goes after turn 5. That is real yugioh.

[@sevennights6377]

The deck and its matchups this format are really cool and interesting to watch, but yeah the timer really kills it. I wish already getting timed out playing D/d/d and this deck has even more stuff to do per turn!

[@thepigeonsofthepacificnort2268]

Speaking of d/d/d, I’ve been trying to learn it since I’m a dirty pendulum fanboy, and Jesus Christ I’ve never had a worse yugioh experience than trying to play vs ishtear

[@ShinerCCC]

I play D/D/D too and I'm not looking forward to doing my combo and having Necro Slime get shuffled away.

[@thepigeonsofthepacificnort2268]

@@ShinerCCC typhon too 😀

[@rarehatmd2120]

It really is an interesting conversation of what you want out of YGO, varied decks with one gameplan or one deck with infinite gameplans where the better player usually wins. Master duel kinda feels like that right now sometimes with branded, except with branded it can come down to "the player who resolves rite of aramesir wins" which is pretty frustrating. Idk, being a branded onetrick, there are definitely times where I feel rewarded for outplaying my opponent in a branded mirror. I would talk about tear but frankly i dont play TCG much so idk how tear dittos work. But yeah, my personal stance is that one metagame shouldnt be the same forever. Branded vs branded is already so boring for me in master duel, and branded is my favorite deck of all time

[@CardCommander]

I love deck profiles in the middle of duels

[@pinnacull]

Let's be real, we've been spoiled by good formats the past couple of years. It's only right that we eventually have a tier 0 format to balance out the cancer.

[@HENTAIsamus06]

Still get flashbacks from all the Halq nonsense >__

[@grifonefolle105]

I would make a deal with the devil for a "1 deck but interactive meta" over a "10 identical and singleplayer deck meta"

[@luminous3558]

Or maybe you just stop listening to dumb shit people try to sell you and actually look at the past year of meta decks, none of them were identical and most of them weren't as expensive. People really act like Tear is doing something revolutionary when its just every prior deck but more broken. I'd rather face a 3 negate board than a deck with that much advantage generation and graveyard disruption any day.

[@chrislively9230]

Man, anyone else remember when extra decks had 2 and 3 ofs instead of everything at 1? (Not a complaint, just an observation) Just so much more flexibility in cards and choices.

[@SgtGitaroo]

I only wish that the one deck was more affordable. I don't expect the best decks in a format to ever be budget, but I would prefer there be a budget option with at least a fighting chance.

[@cherrymilkwad]

As a mathmech player that opening made me cry

[@zdelrod829]

Guess it's time to main deck Crossout Designator in the mirror matches

[@Catknight4444]

The same 20 to 30 cards in every meta deck with some of them being ancient Egyptian themed!? Yu-gi-oh has unironically progressed so far that it's looped back around to GOAT format.

[@vishnuy4531]

I really like ishizu tear. Pasadena happened literally within a week of MAMA so I think the ceiling of innovation is gonna take a while to reach. That and I think that the cards themselves build the backbone of this deck, but you can always find space for Innovation. Hani for instance almost considered a Thunder variant of Ishtear.

[@solarifle]

I don't think deck diversity and interactive gameplay are mutually exclusive, printing more decks like spright/tear that have in-archetype toolbox cards (Red/Carrot/Smashers/Double Cross for Spright, and Heartbeat for Tear) while dealing with uninteractive cards like mine/scythe/shifter and cards too generic for their own good like halq (I know it's banned now but people still like to pretend it was used for anything other than evil) and elf would make the best of both worlds.

[@XmortoxX1990]

While I get how broken there are, I still hope for more truly interactive decks like Tears, just take more cautious to not turn them into Tier 0. A meta with negations to a minimum would be lovely.... As long as there are plenty of decks to choose. I'll wait for these to come in Master Duel (and Sprights) hoping they get preemptively hit

[@pivotcreator2]

It’s not negate minimum tho. They are setting up an imperm, an Omni counter constantly. And sometimes a baron too. While controlling both graves and milling your opponents deck. Definitely allows for an interactive game.

[@Patrick-qb9zm]

Honesly? I like this Tear 0 Format for the reasons Mbt listed. On top of that, Tear is pretty cheap, except for the fieldspell

[@braindeadborgerboi8736]

One small issue is that the deck costs a fortune. If you want to compete you have to drop big money right now and that sucks

[@dorky2958]

this brings a lot of heat during the entire duel, once you missed something you'll pay dearly. what happens when the top players wake up and went straight to 100 without having to deal with braindead mystic mines because well, they're dead.

[@YesVictory_]

To MBT's Question At The Start Of The Vid, imo A Little Bit Of Both. I Think Multiple Back To Back Formats Of One or The Other Are Not Preferable.

[@henryperazza4865]

This is such a catch 22 One one hand, Tear overpowers any deck this format in a best of 3. Their consistency, ceiling, and playability is unmatched except by exactly Dweller and Shifter (or I guess shit like Silent Graveyard but you get what I mean). Definitely a Tier 0 format, which imo kinda sucks On the other hand, given the sheer skill floor and ceiling of the deck - and the nature of milling/chain links - it's impossible to say that this format is brain dead either. Every game can be incredibly back and forth with sequencing and understanding really mattering. Love that Personally, just wish the format had a couple decks to play around with - like how it was before the Ishizu stuff was released. 2-3 "best" decks and maybe an Anti-meta option (lookin at you Floo) that are all similar power levels and can go back and forth with each other. A triad format instead of a triangle format, I may YCS Pasedena was a hype finals tho

[@blub9628]

I like the unique interactions of tear but I far prefer deck diversity in a format. I find the interaction similar to how unique tri brigade decks were when they first came out. Just to point out a couple of formats that I feel like did this style of format better from my perception

[@sablonanime650]

Konami released tear with havnis, which is a straight up custom card