Isiah Thomas speaks on Michael Jordan, The Last Dance, & Pistons' legacy | NBA | SPEAK FOR YOURSELF

Isiah Thomas joins Marcellus Wiley and Jason Whitlock to discuss his career, 'The Last Dance' and Michael Jordan. Hear what Isiah Thomas has to say about his legacy, plus how he really feels about being excluded from the 'dream team.'
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[@SpeakOnFS1]

What are your thoughts on Michael Jordan's comment about Isiah Thomas in 'The Last Dance'?

[@longbeachtripps8974]

It is a legend

[@markellboardley4192]

You are wrong with that comment. How can he be a hater when the Pistons were kicking MJ's but for yrs.Give me a break sir. 50 greatest player of all time and the only thing missing is the dream team, so that alone speaks volumes for this man. Don't forget about his basketball i.q. He was an executive for the New York Knicks. Do I need to say more. He single handedly turned Detroit around with only 1 star on the team and that was another small player. JOE DUMARS SO LOOK HOW SMALL THAT BACK COURT WAS.

[@eatemup88]

MJ said he feels uncomfortable with Zeke around. And u say Zeke a hater. Wow

[@dennisking3638]

@Tax-bitchass biyatch 37-16 huh😳🤣😳 how is he a hater?... Because they swept them 4- 0.... because Chicago Bulls only won 16 games when competing against the Detroit Pistons ? 🤣

[@kabook4000]

They tried to hurt people. The handshake distraction,

[@smileymyronnftonlyoninstag8213]

I.T is the master of subtle jabs. He does it effortlessly with a smile.

[@NeezyPeazy]

Typical cold-blooded smile-faced assassin! Straight outta Chicago

[@cperkins5050]

The baby faced assassin

[@brooksjerald9]

You hit it right on the head!!!! With a smile 😊, lol

[@ryanr20091]

@@NeezyPeazy isiah is a genius

[@maczed31]

This is probably why magic, bird, pippen, barkley had issues with him.

[@ShadStu804]

I love Isaiah throw shade with a smile

[@joshmcbench5332]

deceiving smile full of hatred and bitterness deep inside

[@Mektek19]

That may be why Jordan dislikes him. He probably feels like he's fake. Isiah comes across as the nice guy, but he's probably not lol. Dude is a killer.

[@kevinb2844]

He is an “evil choir boy” and respected him then and now.

[@beehive141]

Isaiah is the biggest MJ hater EVERRRRR !! CANT STAND HIM!!!!

[@8326nazir]

Henry Bonsay sounds like ur speaking about ur self ...hater

[@gelias2961]

Isiah was so great, just see the 25 pts in a quarter in 1988 in a final. He was clutch and the real deal.

[@roypellerin6892]

And he was hurt in that game. He scored 22points in the 4th qtr. He was a stud

[@djcal623]

don't forget that was on 1 ankle

[@edwardwalden05]

Perfect example of how to still be competitive without being emotional and biased like Paul pierce was about lebron. Zeke still respects Jordan despite everything.

[@cameronhart5321]

Jordan respect him too...he said he number 2 of all time PG. But dont think zeke ain't petty too. 😂😂, he smile n all that but when he leaves the room he drops subtle hints to have u thinkin how he wants u too

[@mcsmith35]

@@cameronhart5321 facts

[@jayfron6012]

that paul pierce bit was insufferable. I couldnt believe what I was hearing lol

[@jehushaphat]

What's with the Paul Pierce dig. It doesn't surprise me he ranks Kobe over LeBron since he played against both of them. The man is entitled to his opinion.

[@holytrinity2698]

@@jehushaphat him saying lbj not top 5 is dumb af thats what he mad cuz lbj has literally scored 1000 points on him lol

[@tonsouth]

Isiah comes across as very respectful of those who came before and after him and gave an honest account of 80s and 90s basketball. And by apologizing for the handshake mistake, elevates him even further among those who didn't get to see him play. Well done.

[@jovanmedina7086]

Fantastic interview, one of the first guests where both Jason and Marcellus let Isaiah do his thing. We need more guests like this.

[@dntbdmbdmmy]

You mean let Isiah play dumb.

[@killaman227]

gjwgjwill13 how’s he play dumb?

[@muzidube6927]

TRUE I enjoyed it Marcellus and Jason killed it...I love the respect they showed I.T and when I.T talk you just start asking " is this the big bad wolf...nah can't be "

[@simonphoenix6274]

Zeke looking like one of the Jackson's

[@howard1035150]

🤯

[@rlouizjr00]

Yeah he looks like jermaine or Randy

[@homoerectus744]

When he was younger...Sam Cooke.

[@realfactstv4783]

@@rlouizjr00 yep I just noticed that

[@KennyMoe7mile]

Lol. Foe sho

[@geraldburt9769]

This interview with Isiah Thomas is full of historical knowledge, I like it

[@116BW]

Growing up in that era, I was a big Jordan and Bird fan. But I've come to appreciate Isiah, and now especially admire him for how he has taken the high road.

[@maczed31]

I don't know if he took the high road. He subtly jabbed Jordan through out the whole interview and made it seem like he took the high road. At least that is what I was left with

[@rangeeh2301]

just a minute have anyone made a statement or done something hasty and regretted it and man up after respect for that

[@maczed31]

@@rangeeh2301 Yeah man it is good he manned up for it afterwards. I respect that. I'm not sure if you said this in reference to him taking subtle jabs, because I don't think it takes away from him making subtle jabs.

[@mrallenp]

He’s not taking the high road, he saw an opportunity to kinda redeem himself and kinda downplay what he and the Pistons did back then. Even MJ is acknowledging the fact that if not for the Pistons and how it was for him to beat that team, he would not have worked that hard and eventually made him the great player that he became. But let’s not forget every other star’s opinion on how the Pistons were back then in terms of how physical they were and how they don’t care if they hurt you and take you out of the game for the rest of your life. Larry, Magic, and everybody else had something bad to say about how the Pistons were. Why do you think they were called the Bad Boys?

[@jimnewl]

I agree. I hated Isiah back then because I thought he was an arrogant liar. My opinion has changed 180 degrees. I absolutely believe he is being truthful and feel sorry that I had that opinion of him.

[@JtBleuWriter]

Whoa!! Excellent work. I didn't have a clue. I'm a Jordanolator. So I needed this. And then, Isiah quoting Walt Whitman. Won me over. Why did that surprise me? Another great man. Book please.

[@bipskayless526]

Isiah is a POS

[@GMAMEC]

And this is why Jordan still still can’t let go of the past.

[@sergnyc8720]

Isiah is full of it. Great player but you cannot believe a word he says. Don't believe me type in interviews he has done just in the past 2 weeks.

[@richardjohnson9191]

I’m from Detroit I grew up watching Zeke he was my favorite player he was a great role model for kids in Detroit so I don’t care what the media says about him the city riding with him regardless

[@GeorgeKFinleyJr71]

All facts BRO...313 foe LIFE

[@hungerxhunger2548]

Cowboys Zeke?

[@hungerxhunger2548]

You mean Isaiah right?

[@JJDPROMEDIAPRODUCTION]

@@hungerxhunger2548 No, Isiah Lord Thomas III

[@DEEDUBZ]

FOR LIFE!!!

[@emmanuelenyinwa1443]

"I wasn't fighting him. I was WINNING all the time". Hulk from The Avengers. Zeke is savage.

[@younggod3906]

Facts

[@realplayer54]

Jordan never said he was fighting him. In fact, if the media never brings up the Pistons or Isaiah, MJ never talks about him.

[@oracleyoda5805]

mic drop

[@columbusohio72]

Mj toppled their regime

[@HCaulfield115]

@@realplayer54 wrong

[@homoerectus744]

" actually 37-16" Mike is not the only competitor.Isaiah knows exactly what the record was between them.

[@BassGods]

LOL. FACTS

[@rrizo6846]

jordan at that time didn't have the team to complete with detroit ...jordan couldn't do it alone

[@jimmy1569]

Thomas acts like he beat mj when in reality his team was better..mj clearly was the superior player on the floor..he just didn't have any help...isiah is all cocky because he had the most success against mj

[@paulgrant187]

@@jimmy1569 News flash, NBA is not 1v1 it's team vs team.

[@neneodonkor]

@@jimmy1569 dude said me and my team. You clearly didn't hear the word...

[@Alloyd876]

This man without saying a bad thing about Michael Jordan basically said I sonned him so he mad🤣

[@olaakande5581]

He said he never competed against MJ but has also said we created “The Jordan Rules” which was to just beat him up lol. So there must’ve been something about MJ that u as a champ saw as a threat. (Kanye Shrug)

[@shodaddydrunk]

By that reasoning, MJ should hate on Larry just as much or more. Larry beat Mike and Mike didn't even have the satisfaction of ending Larry's dynasty/legacy like he ended Isiah

[@Alloyd876]

@@shodaddydrunk all y'all can say whatever you want people lie numbers don't, y'all jump up about 6-0 whiteout a care for context, 37 -16 says a whole lot.

[@Alloyd876]

@James R oh so Mike wasn't jealous? Dwl is that why he didn't want Isaiah on the dream team. Man Isaiah done made his peace Mike the one holding a 20 plus year grudge

[@qiwang6395]

@TerrorTown7575 exact and LeBron would crush Jordan one on one. Bigger, stronger, and smarter player

[@MrBollyholly1]

Finally a good interview. People really forget that part of history.

[@jermainereese6848]

It not they forget. It about fact not supporting what narrative they been pushing for all these years.

[@agangleta5416]

Context is key, now this is an interview that was needed!!

[@christopherrobbins9985]

This is a great interview. Isiah Thomas is one of the all-time greats.

[@SN2903]

Pound for pound the goat. He averaged almost 20 and 10 and he's only 6 feet tall.

[@DreamFactories]

SN2903 I would say Steph is better pound for poind

[@PRHILL9696]

He is not even close to Jordans greateness

[@SN2903]

@@PRHILL9696 Jordan is 5 inches taller

[@youcancallmefunk4745]

@@DreamFactories then you didn't ever watch Zeke play

[@CaspertheAnimeGeek]

If “KEEP THAT SAME ENERGY” was a person............

[@Lootroq]

Well said

[@dnixon1655]

facts lol

[@AnanseSavage]

@news flash the physical play ... playoff runs .. tread on those tires .. MJ retired after his 1st 3peat

[@angelomcgowen4145]

🤣

[@davidyturner]

Wow! As a Boston fan in the era - I did not know Isiah Thomas - this is a great interview for me to discover the depth of this remarkable personality.

[@user-so1wr2oh1t]

It's nice to see he doesn't take insults seriously. Such a better dude than I ever imagined. He was such a lethal point guard, def the best of his era.

[@Michael30786]

Nothing but Respect Zeke Heart of Champion Zeke Heart in Soul of Detroit basketball legend & Hall of Famer 80s Basketball Era one of best Era NBA History

[@brigitte9999]

I don’t know the truth because obviously I’m not personally involved. But Isaiah comes across as honorable and decent.

[@tlawengmophosho4848]

They are going to say it is an act

[@Romamb]

😬

[@cyber6sapien]

You're a poor judge of character.

[@brigitte9999]

cyber6sapien Am I? Or is the World just full of conflicted people.

[@cyber6sapien]

@@brigitte9999 My advice to you is to avoid buying a car from a used car salesman.

[@CBii11]

Isiah, your smarts and attitude I think has everything to do with the record you possess against the MJ lead Bulls, keep taking the high road because it keeps you from stepping down to the low road, life's to short to hold grudges, especially when you've reached the pinnacle of your craft. The muscles used to smile are stronger than those used to frown, stay up fine sir.

[@juice4080]

you're a seriously gullible guy if you think Zeke is taking the high road. he hates MJ just as much as MJ hates him. MJ is just being real about it while Zeke is acting like a phony

[@propre6033]

@@juice4080 I agree IT is being kind of a phony, but he's doing a great job selling his point!

[@videoorgy]

@@juice4080 And how do you know this? Cause this dude has NEVER thrown shade at Jordan.

[@CBii11]

@@juice4080 I'm gonna show you what "taking the high road" means by not retorting to your apparent attempt at an insult.

[@MikeJones-pf4wd]

Jordan is a Billionaire crybaby, he has 6 championships & is a Billionaire but has a low self esteem because he was scared of the Warriors & Lebron eclipsing him of his NBA deity lol what an idiot.

[@rogerc23]

I’m so glad I saw this interview. Growing up in the 80s everything Isaiah said is true. This interview was as good as any last dance episode.

[@magiccarpet9172]

Isiah Thomas is very smart and articulate.

[@wondon2992]

Jus look at all of those books!

[@brixtonmystery]

cunning

[@tomswill9189]

Yes he is

[@RawwRex]

Great interview, really showed how Bird and Magic Ruled the league till the pistons broke thru.

[@wrldonwill]

Zeke beat Magic, Bird and Jordan.

[@wrldonwill]

@tonie starks Who cares... Zeke is still solidified. The active followers of pro ball know who are the greats.

[@anthonydexter3527]

@tonie starks 37-16

[@joshmcbench5332]

@tonie starks they didn't include the '91 swept in that playoff win/loss tally

[@ntwalipat2]

@@wrldonwill Educate these youngsters. They don't know how tough MJ's competition was at the time!

[@videoorgy]

How can you not respect Zeke? Dude has all the reason to be salty about Mike, yet he still comes off as humble and authentic when addressing the situation. But haters shall hate.

[@ryanr20091]

@Light Work why would he have to ackowledge as the goat when hes beaten him many times over?

[@jamestodd945]

@@ryanr20091 he doesn't have to, but he knows it's true. Kobe>LBJ. Leave the 🐐 out of it. It's silly 😜.

[@willseest3732]

Hes still a snake, hes not humble, hes smiling cause hes one of the few players that dominates the head to head record against MJ. Whose considered the goat. He has MJ beat 3 series to 1.

[@tomswill9189]

Yes facts

[@AlpoMartinez88]

Mad respect Zekke do that documentary please

[@mrshawterry6]

I'm always respect Isiah Thomas,I don't have anything against Michael Jordan but i'm not that young like many people from our city who favors Jordan over Isiah.He's from Chicago and to me the greatest basketball player from Chicago.He wasn't just great on the court, what an intelligent man and smart off the court.

[@al9hcb3]

So

[@mrshawterry6]

@@al9hcb3 Young men if you talking 2 me, the way you feel i'm fine with it and you should be the same toward what i txt your opinion is yours and mine is mine.1 more thing i like all athletes is the sport i like, but i don't worship no athlete.

[@antmc84]

I gotta ask u this. Is Isiah Thomas better than Dwayne Wade OR Derrick Rose? They're BOTH FROM Chi-town, too...

[@chenault15]

Ant McCall I would say he’s better than Rose for sure it’s probably a debate between him and Wade. I think wade has more success because he played and won with Shaq, Lebron, Bosh and other really good players but Zeke beat Mike, Magic, and Larry 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@antmc84]

@@chenault15 Fair Enough. I'll give u that..👍

[@treatmentbound5321]

I’m a Celtics fan but I love Zeke. One of the greatest of all time.

[@jimmyfreckles4582]

Real ones know this is true. Isiah still most underrated of all time and my all time fav ahead of Magic, Kobe , Van Exel, and Mash.

[@MalrickEQ2]

People just always seem to hate the honorable/team-first type players. Lebron and Chris Paul get the same kind of hate.

[@juancarlosbelboder2534]

Did u mean jamaal mashburn?

[@jimmyfreckles4582]

Monster Mash

[@juancarlosbelboder2534]

@@jimmyfreckles4582 yeah man mash was a monster. Such a great talent. They even had a song about him when he was in kentucky. If not for injuries he could have been one of the trully greats

[@choosenone20901]

I.T is not underrated. He's is well known to be the 2nd best PG of all time. You can't be underrated if you are known for that. And he is considered the best little men of all time. Cut it out

[@MarkLaw13]

The saying, "There's nothing new under the sun." is true. Also, "Never judge a book by its cover"

[@homoerectus744]

Uh....' a nod is as good as a wink,to a blind horse'

[@jamescruz3255]

Wow, great interview; Back in the 80s I was a 🍀 Celtics/Bird fan and I didn’t like the Pistons, especially when they played us. But I recognized back then that I. Thomas/Pistons was a great team. Respect for I Thomas , yeah they should’ve shook the Bulls hands. I.T. apologized and MJ after all theses years... In this documentary should’ve let it go.

[@delerocky]

ESPN would never do this interview. I hope you younger folks are learning something because things are never really how they seem, especially when you follow the media's narrative.

[@ftnrbhmwk]

Exactly, very good statement. ESPN will never have this in-depth interview. 👋👋👋👋👋

[@tellyhennessey5422]

I have to admit!!! Isaiah I was totally totally totally wrong about YOU!! And I apologize because I let myself get caught up in the hype... And I NEVER NEVER was like that... But I believe YOU over Michael!!! I TRULY do!! Keep on preaching brother

[@WillRogersGaming]

Isiah Thomas is truly amazing. This interview was great. Shows why he is the best pure PG of all time

[@user-hb9ig4fx9p]

Zeke took the balcony approach in the Last Dance. I loved it when Isiah nonchalantly said while he was chasing Magic and Bird he wasn't thinking about MJ. Too bad injuries shortened his career. As a youth I had the honor and privilege to watch Zeke play at the Magic Johnson basketball camp...the double pump reverse dunks he did at camp and dribbling drills we're LEGEND! He never show cased his jumping ability in games but Zeke was so underrated and incredibly athletic. You think Kyrie Irving, Chris Paul and Curry can handle the rock....Zeke was in a league of his own.

[@teresa-oj9rq]

I know you right...

[@kevinfinnerty3754]

Isiah is one of my favorite players all time at any position, but his handles aren’t close to Kyrie, Steph or AI

[@petermadash4488]

Smooth operator, is Isiah Thomas, wide smile and eloquent speaker too. And that fools a lot of people. You cannot, as an individual have problems with Malone, Jordan, Stockton, Magic, Bird, Pippen, and others without there being something with you. HE is the common denominator in all the so-called "beefs" he had with others.

[@desbrand3585]

But like he said they still voted him president

[@DreMurf313]

You have valid a valid point. But let me add "in competitive sports it's one thing to for a majority of guys from different teams to have a problem with you WHEN YOU'RE A REGULAR GUY (All-star at best). Now WHEN YOU'RE A MULTIPLE CHAMPION & THESE SAME PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOU WINNING ONLY ELEVATES THE EMOTION."

[@dustindaniel6858]

Didn’t Bird hire Isiah as coach of the Pacers?

[@kurqa3]

Yeah get that man an Oscar!!

[@One_Black_Panther]

Just like Jordan was a common denominator of Pippen, Hodges, Grant, Isaiah and to some degree Steve Kerr...

[@cicerohobbs347]

Now I understand why Isaiah Thomas is always happy because he was getting the best of Jordan and the bulls wow and it kills Jordan

[@rafikz77]

Cicero Hobbs true true

[@user-ix8gm5rs3y]

@@ronaldjackson7541 LOL thats how the game was played in the 80's look at the lakers vs celtics 30 for 30. Michael wasn't a tough guy so they changed the rules to make it easy for him. They changed the rules to make it harder for Kareem and Wilt...NOT EASIER!!! The bulls and Phil Jackson complained because they were soft and that is why the NBA is not as good as it was in the 80's.

[@mothersmilk644]

but that sweep though

[@rafikz77]

Mother's Milk yes after Stern changed the rules for Jordan and Isiah hurt his wrist Took him long enough

[@gphil9497]

Zeke not telling the truth he was 36-29 vs Jordan facts

[@713anand]

Magic/Stockton have the best pg stats of all time..... Those stats went out the window when they stepped on the court against the baby faced assassin!!!! FACTS

[@alonzomarable6651]

Destroyed Them.

[@scherryblakely7213]

Facts!

[@josephberry8788]

Magic and Isiah are 1-1 in the finals against each other!

[@713anand]

Joseph Berry look at the squad magic had. They were loaded with top draft picks. Magic 1 .. mike Thompson 1 .. Kareem 1 worthy1 . Byron Scott 4... stop it buddy. Isiah put it on those guys

[@713anand]

Joseph Berry 1-1 vs 4 #1 draft picks

[@lewalcindor9356]

Funny how no one mentioned MJ praising Isiah as the 2nd best PG of all time. Positivity doesn't sell though, smh.

[@Myshtcity]

Because he wasn't

[@LBOtaku]

@@Myshtcity it is in the documentary, Jordan on camera saying Isiah is the 2nd best PG of all time

[@713anand]

2 behind magic???? Look what Isiah did to magic heads up. Magic has a better career. Isiah the better player

[@713anand]

Magic

[@krose0902]

Facts they also didn’t mention that that was how felt in back then, Jordan doesn’t have a problem with Isaiah now smh

[@itsonyoufosho]

The media does it every time. Yall 2 brothers make up and move on. We love both of you.

[@tomswill9189]

Very true

[@luscuenkhodish8353]

Isiah should have been on that dream team no matter

[@bigred8500]

So isiah had “career ending wrist surgery) but he deserved to be on The dream team.. BS he needs to take ownership for Jordan growing up and that team destroying them. Like Whitlock said they are basically the same team

[@killaman227]

Big Red Larry only played an avg of 5 mins a game . Isiah should’ve been there they would’ve run through the Oppenheimer regardless .

[@joshmcbench5332]

camaraderie won't be good if Isiah is there and by his own admission he had a career ending wrist injury hahahaha

[@jamestodd945]

Shaq.

[@theman2017inc]

You may be right but hate & spite (however petulant) are powerful incentives/ motivators. Away from MJ, other players did NOT like Isiah Thomas!!!

[@GrandStudable]

I came out of The Last Dance liking Isiah Thomas a lot more than I like Michael Jordan.

[@AntonSlizzardhands]

Excellent interview. The more I hear about MJ having dinner and playing golf with opponents, the more I think he was just keeping his enemies close...

[@coolpeepsking6703]

Anton Slizzardhands exactly but they keep pushing the narrative that the players weren't friends back then, anything to make LeBron James and Michael Jordan not like each other

[@kwadwohilton2126]

You guys want to spin everything in favour of Jordan but fact is he was a narcissist and the Pistons dealt with him as such!!!

[@TypicalBlakk]

@@kwadwohilton2126 And Got Swept

[@sholovesholove4620]

Jordan mad cause Isiah isn't/wasnt going to be bullied!😂😂😂 Classic attitude of a bully!

[@cyber6sapien]

You need to go watch the Bulls vs Pistons games in the late 80's to see who the actual bullies were!

[@RedEyeItachi]

Exactly. It’s a bully mentality, MJ has talked about only 2 people when it comes to hatred. IT and Reggie Miller. The only to players ever to step to him in his prime and he didn’t like it.

[@sholovesholove4620]

@@cyber6sapien Would Horace say Isiah was a bully, or would he call Mike a bully?

[@realfactstv4783]

He should of shook there hand bro that was a coward move did you see how Karl Malone came on the bus to shake there hand that's class and good sportsmanship

[@RedEyeItachi]

Happy Happy if someone had just swept u and before sweeping u they called u fake champions and were saying U didn’t earn it how would u feel? IT said it best. The bull said they didn’t deserve their chip so It said they felt the Bulls didn’t deserve their handshake.

[@usmanioa]

Best speak for yourself interview of all time🔥🔥🔥

[@brandonjones4676]

🗣WWWWHHHHHOOOOAAAAA... “he wasn’t my competition”

[@ryx6071]

Well during that time it was Larry Bird and the Celtics and Magic and the Lakers while MJ and the Bulls were losing the first round playoffs so he has a point it was the 80s era and I see nothing wrong cos it was true

[@rifyrafi]

Brandon Jones Jordan is 0-7 his first 7yrs. You should’ve been there . MJ wasn’t a big deal those early years. He kept losing. Magic already had 3 titles then.

[@joshmcbench5332]

@@rifyrafi correction 6yrs Jordan's 7th yr is when they won '91

[@joshmcbench5332]

@@ryx6071 remember '84 US Olympic basketball team led by Jordan beat NBA all-star led by Bird, Magic, Isiah, McHale etc 8-0 coached by Bob Knight also Isiah's collage coach said Jordan is the BEST basketball player he ever had (not the exact words) '85 all-star game Jordan rookie season "the freeze out" (when there's smoke there's fire) although not proven '86 play-offs Celtics vs Bulls Jordan scored 63 Bird said God disguised as Michael Jordan and Magic even said we(players) are here and he's (Jordan) up there. Isiah in my honest opinion is JEALOUS of Jordan and to add to that Isiah's nephew wearing Bulls shirt upon seeing it got upset. Jordan from North Carolina and Isiah from Chicago but the Chicagoans loves Jordan than Isiah and Jordan had a statue in Chicago Isiah none. just my opinion

[@ryx6071]

@@joshmcbench5332 Yet that 63 point game was on a lost and Bird was just complimenting his opponent but that doesnt mean its true. If LBJ had a 50 point triple dobule in a lost people will say he was just stat padding. I will admit in the 90s era MJ was the greatest player of that generation its a different ara now and we can always play the hypothesis game and say MJ would dominate but the reality is we dont have a way to answer that so its easy for MJ fans to just say he will jsut base on what he accomplished in his era. Wilt averaged 50 points and 20 rebounds in a season would he dominate in this era? GOAT is so subjective ryt now it depends on each person some value rings yet rings was a team accomplishemnt not a individual accolade, some people value stats yet some people wil lsay people in this era stat pad so in the end you have this endless debate. MJ to me when I grew up was the GOAT not because of the rings but because of his style of play and he was an unstoppable offensive force but in this era to me LBJ is GOAT because he is the greatest all around basketball with or without the rings its hard to ever duplicate another MJ or LBJ. As for Isiah He has never said anything bad about MJ he has moved the only time the story has gone back to him and MJ was because of the Piston and Bulls rivalry and MJ still has some bad sentiments with him.

[@ILLWill1027]

They forgot to mention to Zeke Mike called him the 2nd best PG of all time but I'm sure That was by design🤔

[@thomash1268]

Of course, it was, it has to fit his narrative. And he found the perfect patsies in Whitlock and Wiley.

[@paulthomas9911]

i like Whitlock. he says thing things about the black culture many blacks cannot admit.

[@fatpatlives1998]

Magic is naturally the greatest PG it's not really debatable. And if not for jordan magic would be considered the goat

[@thenewbull00]

@@paulthomas9911 name something...

[@paulthomas9911]

@@thenewbull00 oh just like the crime in the urban community. Whitlock doesnt pander imo. he just sez it like it is. i dont think its fair to call him an uncle tom because he states facts. what do you think? disagree?

[@TieOnRadish]

I don't know what's the big deal here. The documentary portrayed them as one of the greatest team, the hardest competition of MJ's career which he had to eventually overcome. MJ even mentioned Isiah being his choice of 2nd greatest point guard of all time. They had the reputation of being the 'Bad Boy' and they embraced that reputation. Did he seriously expect MJ or the documentary to say that they were in fact nice guys or something? When talking about their competition, it was pretty obvious the 'no handshake' was going to get highlighted. MJ felt it was disrespectful and that's not something that changes just because it has been 30 years. He expressed what he felt, and that he still feels the same way and it's not something new.

[@teresa-oj9rq]

Mj didn't highlight how he disrespected Isaiah & the pistons after game 3

[@MichaelLee-pl4sh]

Teresa Thomas right! He left that part out

[@TieOnRadish]

@@teresa-oj9rq and what would that have accomplished? Would it make them look like nice guys? MJ should feel sorry for them and apologize? While we're at it, why not show what other players in the league at the time were saying about them as well? That'd make them look real good. MJ didn't like them then and he doesn't like them now, and again, it's not something new that he feels that way. It's actually a compliment that they affected him so much. After the episode, Isiah is the one going this interview to that interview dissing MJ every chance he gets saying as if MJ wasn't even good in the 80s and that they beat Celtics and Lakers in their prime. No they didn't beat them in their prime. Celtics were already older than Pistons in 91 (which they keep saying they lost cause they got old). They beat Lakers with 41 years old Kareem and injured Magic Johnson who didn't even play game 4, and injured Byron Scott who didn't even play the series.

[@teresa-oj9rq]

@@TieOnRadish your point is what exactly? MJ can insult Isaiah Thomas because" we want to be like Mike"? Isaiah Thomas doesn't have the right to defend himself? MJ can do a documentary about his run with the bulls, dropping tidbits of inaccuracies ( Krause is deceased) but nobody can question what's being said..What is your point or better yet what did Isaiah Thomas say in this interview that was wrong?

[@TieOnRadish]

@@teresa-oj9rq My point to your comment is that there is no point to what you were saying whether they showed his interview or not. My point about my original comment is that they were portrayed as one of the best teams, hardest competition of MJ's career and MJ complimented Isiah by saying he's the 2nd greatest point guard. They were portrayed as playing dirty but that was how they were viewed back then (by everyone, not just MJ), and the documentary portrayed them exactly how they were portrayed. It's laughable how he gets all butthurt about it now when they obviously embraced that persona.

[@loudy12]

Lmaooo when he had to fact check that graphic 🤣 ty zeke

[@snowyshaw1968]

I believe Isiah did have trouble getting along with other players based on interviews from other players but he was a great player. One of the best point guards of all time. He should’ve been on the dream team. I’m a huge Jordan fan but life is politics.

[@Jayhawker2000]

Some hardcore passive aggression from Isaiah in this interview.

[@edwardwalden05]

He just basically said Jordan is mad he schooled him without saying a bad thing about Jordan

[@Jayhawker2000]

@@edwardwalden05 Yep. Was masterfully done. No wonder he gets under Jordan's skin.

[@paultaylor3841]

He sonned MJ something serious 😂😂😂 Brought up records and etc

[@jehushaphat]

@@edwardwalden05 He's just more subtle about about the bad things he says about MJ.

[@celebritytarotreadings7065]

WERD.

[@penterprise2481]

Isiah's million dollar smile. He must of just had a dental cleaning before quarantine...

[@Indifference2000]

Everyone: players nowadays are too soft!!! MJ: holds grudge for over 30 years over no handshake

[@kristof7518]

Another wanna be comedian... That's called sportsmanship

[@erfbgu2643]

@@kristof7518 That's ridiculous. It is just a game at the end of the day. That's Mikes' issue...he doesn't know when to turn it off.

[@Indifference2000]

@@kristof7518 no comedian here. Just speaking the truth. Many players don't shake hands

[@erfbgu2643]

@@kristof7518 Dr J says him and Bird are friends and they were trying to knock each others heads off. That isn't sportsmanship. Neither is Mike's tactics with many of his teammates. Socking dudes in their eyes. That isn't sportsmanship.

[@erickraynon4907]

Malone shake hands inside the bus. Thomasshole

[@THEAdmiralXizor]

The documentary is *called* The Last Dance... It is *not* the last word.

[@docholiday13]

That's exactly how Jordan is treating it. Like his last word. Which hasn't made him look any better imo.

[@bmoretruthful6403]

@@docholiday13 Check !

[@alivensyde5484]

Love how the media does not mention the part Isiah did about Jordan saying they were undeseving champipns... Jordan fanboys!

[@SpeedinBulletPodcast]

Wait so Jordan insulted his opponents (pistons) in the media but is mad they didn’t shake his hands after that, if that’s not a hypocrite

[@muzidube6927]

Lol lol lol I didn't also understand that... MJ made it personal with that comment

[@lososr5267]

Right facts fam

[@akkustomzink1914]

I’m sir no....do your research a lil more...go back and look at the end of the games when they beat them MJ...he shook all those guy hands and congratulated them....they the salty ones after Jordan finally beat them and walked off like some Suckas...they followed Bill because he hated Jordan

[@akkustomzink1914]

I wish a White Boy would tell me to walk off the court and not congratulate a guy who finally got his chance and beat me...Magic Johnson did it with no problem

[@SpeedinBulletPodcast]

Akkustomz INK you missing what Isaiah said, they were disrespectful to the pistons first so why should the pistons be honorable towards them

[@R-L-I]

This was a great interview! 👍🏾

[@cholli4141]

Zeek is real

[@destinedforgreatness2985]

Fabulous interview ...well done. You brought out total transparency and light to IT character. I repecr him more now than ever .Hes not a villain that Jordan claimed him to be.Truth is Jordan needed a villain to motivate and drive him and his ambition to achieve his WHY

[@vnapp614]

B.S i.t hated m.j his whole career so he can say what he want to make his self look gud but the people in the league know how he really felt just as well as he knows

[@GoodVibesPilipinas]

This is why I hate 3rd party interviews as it is always bias to the guest. Let us see MJ and IT face to face live SMH

[@Alloyd876]

Same as a documentary which glorifies 1 man and vilifies many others

[@malcolmcash6854]

well said

[@vontaemac9376]

I hate when people try to make it seem like the pistons and lakers were old when Michael beat them pistons were coming off back to back championships and Magic was coming off an MVP season stop it

[@WhathehadasSole]

They were old in championship years. 3 years of regular season games AND long playoff runs will take a toll on any team. Jordan was burnt out after the first 3 peat. That should tell you something

[@rockiesmithii]

Big Facts Bro

[@christopherbrown1391]

Yeah true but the pistons were still on top that’s not a excuse because u are winning therefore that makes it any better are watered down if that’s the case we can go through everyone and nit pick

[@gazman2769]

Class act and great interview

[@NadavHbr]

I really loved Isaiah Thomas in the 80's, and he is still very impressive today.

[@darrellhardy90]

I'm a diehard Pistons fan from Michigan, been watching nba since 83'.. but lets admit Jordan was the best player on a garbage team and we had a squad. Jordan is hands down the best basketball player I've ever seen 💯

[@eugenebrown4163]

Nah! Besides Dumars, Detroit was a made Champion, not a collection of Super Stars!

[@bridgetgipson3045]

Don't forget Scottie.🔥💯

[@darrellhardy90]

@@bridgetgipson3045 Scottie was drafted in 87, started as a bench player until MJ started personally training him. He wasnt an allstar caliber player until 1991 when the bulls won the championship.

[@bridgetgipson3045]

@@darrellhardy90 Scottie made it to 2 different conference finals without Mike and barely lost both of them. Mike didn't without Scottie.

[@darrellhardy90]

@@bridgetgipson3045 Scottie made it to 1 conference finals. When Mike retired bulls added 4 other players to fill the gap, Kukoc ,Harper, etc... the next season 1995, bulls weren't good 30-35 about to miss the playoffs, were being called the terriBulls. Pippen asked MJ to help them get to the playoffs so he came back. They went 13-4 and made it in. The next year with Jordan fully back, that 30-35 team went 72-10 and won the championship

[@honestfm]

80s Jordan was in a team with no all-stars. When he finally got 1 all-star, he went to conference finals and the following season he won the league. Isiah seems to neglect the fact that 80s Lakers, Celtics, and Pistons had multiple all-stars on their teams when they faced the Bulls.

[@kdogg716]

Exactly fam......sheesh. Why can't idiots like Shannon Sharpe & Nick Wright understand that???

[@Dewaundriver]

I dont think Isiah discounted that, he explained it was a process to win, as they got more players, Bird acknowledged that the rooks were good coming in, you can only play the personnel in front of you, because Jordan didnt have additional all-stars means nothing, during that stretch until 90-91, he got handled. Isiah simply said Jordan wasn't his competition, it was Celtics and Lakers.

[@chrisfellows650]

@Charles Cobb every team had a HOF player on it

[@sams2021_3]

@Charles Cobb more like bulls team got better. How old were the pistons?

[@mobetta2092]

Isiah had no all-star teammates when he won his 1st ring in 1989.

[@GeneralRock114]

That’s the first time I’ve watched Whitlock and Uncle Tom didn’t cross my mind. Lol.

[@teasystableent]

Talk!!!!

[@GeneralRock114]

@JERMAINE JOHNSON I don't need to do research, my ears and eyes are all I need.

[@FossIdentity]

Forreal man

[@simonsez1787]

Isiah dropped so many gems on the history and the business... and they just kept looking for petty.

[@tomswill9189]

True

[@whoisjohngalt11]

If Michael Jordan is watching this, he's probably ready to run through a wall.

[@danielabraham5901]

hahahaha exactly

[@chukwudianya2]

😂🤣😂

[@TheAgentAssassin]

No he probably remembers when he was on the Olympic TEAM 1984 along with Patrick Ewing him and swept an all star NBA team that included...drum roll please... Isaiah Thomas, Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. THE NBA all stars got swept 8 games straight. MICHAEL wasn't even in the NBA yet and he was on the Olympic team that smashed the NBA stars ALL 8 GAMES!!!

[@whoisjohngalt11]

@@TheAgentAssassin Maybe. But the man has never been able to ignore a challenge. Isaiah is doing some championship level trolling in some of these comments. For all of Jordan's unbelievable skills, being able to walk away from a challenge isn't one of them.

[@Tubes78]

Didn't MJ clarify these statements later saying that that's how he felt back then and he respects Isiah?

[@depannist]

shhh .... this doesn't help talk shows when there's no actual sports on TV.

[@yhave1ne]

No he doesn't like Isaiah.

[@ebn128]

Nope, he said he acknowledges him as the second best PG ever after Magic, but hates him

[@ricolaw2293]

EXACTLY! He didn't say that's how he felt now...smfh

[@ryx6071]

Isiah Thomas such a class act he respected the people he competed against. Good Job Zeke.

[@ryx6071]

@gary corr You mean the same thing that the Celtics did to the Pistons after the Piston won against them

[@stevenjenkins3882]

The BAD BOYS kicked that but so bad MJ can't let it go. Like a bad girlfriend.

[@shermanburnsjr.1116]

Pretty Much!!!

[@akkustomzink1914]

He got the last laugh and the last dance 🤷🏾‍♂️😂

[@gamepoint8641]

Thats why it's MJ the goat not I.T. A has been.

[@bsp5689]

Shimon M best Undersized player to ever play the game ..Beat Bird,Magic and MJ all in there prime

[@ConsciousFBA]

Zeke is Killmonger yelling to the masses about MJ, "IS THIS YOUR KING?" And y'all say MJ is the GOAT? Yeah ok....smh

[@marsswep2794]

Conscious No way Pippen Killmonger LoL

[@malcolmcash6854]

I CAN TELL YOU ARE CONSCIOUS - GO ZEKE!!

[@jtaukilani959]

MJ is the Goat for sure, but his personality sux... Brother needs to let bygones be bygones

[@jrb2333]

Well Kareem is the GOAT but I agree about his personality

[@bobbybrown2873]

Wilt is the goat

[@jehushaphat]

@@bobbybrown2873 Wilt was a ball hog, that's why he always wilted when the games mattered most in the playoffs.

[@candymcdaniel5125]

One of my favorite players EVER!!! LOVE Isiah!👏🏾❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@iClone316]

"I was winning all the time." Savage Thomas.

[@adolphdooley3632]

Isaiah Thomas is the Truth! That’s why I’m a - BAD BOY FOR LIFE! - because of Isaiah Thomas, one of the greatest of all times.

[@johncapo6757]

"Jordan is not my competition" - Isiah 3.16

[@knowledgesomemore3564]

In the words of James Brown "It is what it is, you can't change it".dont try to change it. Deal with it"

[@TheNewLifeChannel]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@tomswill9189]

Lol yes

[@rhonda1704]

😂

[@antoniojames9493]

16-37 versus Isiah. So that's way he hates him 😄😄

[@mendozajovy]

MJ hates Isiah Thomas for two reasons. Isiah Thomas Detroit Piston have no second thoughts to end the career of MJ by their hard fouls. Isiah Thomas Detroit Piston did not even have any intention to block the ball. They went to the head and the body of MJ. Second reason Isiah did not shake the hands of the Bulls in the 1991 Eastern Finals. That is UNSPORTMANSHIP.

[@timothythomas2464]

Look up individual numbers not team numbers

[@Starch1b2c3d4a]

Yup 👍

[@RLSmith-jt8qj]

Bingo!!!

[@lewalcindor9356]

Mike had probably the same record against Bird and he doesn't hate him. Hmm

[@pmoorepm]

I'm a Jordan fan and a90s Bulls Fan..... Isaiah deserves to be a Dream Team member... and Detroit were a great team.... Deserves a lot of praise.

[@wynstonwilliams8208]

When Zeke talks I Listen dude needs his own podcast

[@tomswill9189]

4 sure.

[@serpentinefire77]

Brilliant interview, Isiah Thomas is so humble and kills you with that smile. 🙏🏾

[@marcust6479]

I was winning all the time...so why am I mad at him... talk that talk Zeke

[@tripleog333d]

If he was winning all the time why he only got two rings and MJ got 6 and when he was beaten MJ he had a better Team soon as MJ got another allstar he sweep Detroit FACTS

[@lilztheking1751]

@@tripleog333d he was talking about his match ups against MJ over the years 🙄

[@marcust6479]

@@tripleog333d the number don't lie.. he beat that man head up... big facts

[@itsmebedazzle]

@@lilztheking1751 thank you. Just straight knuckleheads commenting.

[@mrshawterry6]

I can't wait 4 your book Isiah.

[@antoniojames9493]

Also dude was one of the smallest players in NBA. I think only Mugsy and Spud was shorter during his era.

[@cholitobxny]

Michael adams

[@antoniojames9493]

@@cholitobxny MAN I FORGOT ALL ABOUT MICHAEL ADAMS!!

[@missayawk]

Mark Price

[@billybarry5451]

Dana Barros

[@user-so1wr2oh1t]

Spud 💘

[@vincentedwards6330]

Wow!!! Great stuff. So glad to hear Isaiah give his thoughts in fullness. This dude is very intelligent and graceful!!!✊🏾

[@bigavelik]

You just got to love Zeke...Class personified and a tongue that is sharp as a razor blade!!!

[@mobettaful]

Isiah is a smooth dude. He is happy knowing that he played against and dominated Michael Jordan. These are facts. Give Zeke his just due. Every superhero has a nemesis. Michael’s was truly Isiah Thomas. 37-16 head to head, is dominance...period.

[@mobettaful]

Samuel Fernandez, stop whining. Miss me with the better team argument, because when it comes to Lebron, y’all don’t use the better team argument, you just count Lebron as a loser. Stop it! Thomas teams dominated Jordan teams,whether you like it or not. Those are facts.

[@dougjones7609]

Isiah is a class act

[@mobettaful]

Samuel Fernandez, man just shut it.

[@michaelrobinson540]

There were so many fouls in the "Last Dance" that they didn't even show. Laimbeer threw Jordan to the ground while he was up in the air and the doc didn't show those real dirty ones. Also Pippen absolutely clotheslined Laimbeer in the 90' playoffs.

[@ryx6071]

that was how the league was in that 80's era it wasnt just the Pistons

[@shantisamiller4512]

They really didn't show the worst attacks on the Bulls

[@shantisamiller4512]

They didn't try to win at one point they just tried to damage Michael Jordan so he would have to play hurt.

[@buto1118]

@news flash If you disregard Thomas, Dumars and Rodman the entire team was aging and they were banged up after playing until early June since 1987.

[@sholovesholove4620]

Jordan only wanted to make himself look like the victim, even though he was a bully

[@andrewzanas9387]

As usual, you guys killed it. What a fantastic interview. I hated Detroit growing up. The Celtics were always my team. Now I can look back in retrospect, and light dawns on Marblehead. Suddenly realize how good Detroit was back then, and how important they were to the league. They were the badass warriors who came into Boston Garden like they owned it, and in the process created edge of your seat suspense and some completely unexpected outcomes for our heroes. All I could think about while listening to Isiah speaking was what a gentleman, and what an ambassador for the game. He never waivered once during the entire interview, and, in my mind, he grew at least two feet in stature. Thanks for this.

[@javenterry8691]

People are spinning what Michael said, he was talking about how he felt back then not how he feels now. Does anyone remember what Horace Grant called them? A lot of people didn’t like Isaiah and the pistons.

[@liltr3ay]

💯💯💯

[@muzidube6927]

A lot of people don't like me...don't mean I'm a bad person. Forget me Malcolm X Tupac Jesus ... so bad that they were killed.

[@rollandcurtis874]

I'm a big Michael Jordan fan, but I'm not going to disrespect Isiah Thomas or his accomplishments.

[@estebannunez1682]

Jordan called the 2nd best point guard of all time.. I don’t think anyone disrespect his accomplishments.

[@mabele7014]

Great interview.. I thoroughly enjoyed. Great composure Isaiah. Great interview Whitlock.

[@richardbonds3150]

Zeek was the man I remember a one bounce pass he made for an assist went the full length of the court. I never seen anyone do that.

[@notoriousnerd]

Isiah seems more mature than MJ after all these years. Apologizing for the no handshake and having no bad blood for the Dream Team exclusion.

[@tomswill9189]

This is true

[@DreMurf313]

Because it's been 30 years. It's time to let it go. They're STILL crying about The Pistons playing physical. They're STILL justifying the 1992 Dream Team snubbing. Smh while LMFAO 🤣

[@manisthemeasure5973]

This reveals the danger of a one sided story. The Last Dance is a one sided story. It is told to depict a narrative. It is biased and incomplete, and therefore not a real documentary.

[@ntwalipat2]

You're looking into this too much. Michael Jordan stated how he felt about Isiah and the reason why (which we all know). What other story do you need to for it to register?!

[@wadisanaa]

@@ntwalipat2 what other story? the one you are watching here and more

[@geemon3y23__4]

You sound like a angry Lebronze fan

[@manisthemeasure5973]

Patrick, you just watched and listened to the other side and you still ask “what other story”? Wow!

[@manisthemeasure5973]

Geemon3y23 __ “a angry..”? Bro, stay in school for your own sake.

[@rosewilliams3215]

We will always love you Zeke

[@tropicalterrarium1742]

After a long time of being on Jordan's side, I can actually see Isiah's side too. The man kept Isiah from completing his biggest dream: to be on an olympic team.

[@sactownsteelers6748]

Zeke was great i loved number 11 back in the days

[@stevenscott5836]

Love Isaiah,he was my favorite growing up and still a class act simply the best!