Islam and the West - Ed Husain

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[@aminathhassan6211]

Pls interview Mustafa Akyol who is by far more insightful, articulate and measured on the subject. His book 'Islam Without Extreme' is a wholesome book which came out recently.

[@thicky]

you guys got to invite al fadi from cira channel to discuss islam in the west and the history of it, and why its political. ed hussain insight is useful but it its not complete. i encourage mal to look into al fadi or even dr jay smith of pfander channel

[@markhutton6055]

Muslim v Islamist equals Remainer v Remoaner

[@organicnoor]

I normally like your videos but I can’t help but brand this one as a far-right, right wing one. The language is always negative and inciting hate. If any of you are religious then you’d know that you cannot take ownership of any land. It doesn’t befit a believer. This world is an open space for everyone to roam around freely. And one needs to allow to practice their religion wherever they are, and also practice with conviction. You can’t always equate Islamic practice with extremism. The vast majority of Muslims coexist. Ironically, Muslims are conservative, so we actually do agree with the sentimentality of right wing aspects. But most Muslims have led themselves to think that the left is more sympathetic. If you continue to incite hate like this it doesn’t show peace and love.

[@User-4517]

Frankly lads - you've platformed someone who doesn't understand Sharia, case in point "my daughters inheritence" - how does this guy NOT know that his daughter will inherit from her brother, her father, her husband whereas his son can only inherit from the father? Secondly, why does he not talk about things like the husband being entirely responsible for the cost/welfare of his wife and children, and what she earns is hers to spend as she wishes and her husband having no rights to her money? .. you need to bring on someone more knowledgeable from this perspective like Mohammed Hijab. Ed works for or is associated with organisations and think thanks which are openly hostile to muslims so you're not going to get a nuanced view, just the agenda of his paymasters!

[@mogznwaz]

I can't understand why you would choose to emigrate to another country then complain about it, demand it change to be like your old country and refuse to adopt the culture of your new county. The ONLY reason I can think of is malevolent intent.

[@alexcarvalho2175]

Most of them, came to Europeans countries , and want to push their way of life , they run away from

[@Lamedvavnik]

To add to that, if any Brit went to any of these countries and started barking orders I can’t imagine they would entertain these British ideals for a second 😂

[@barrychuckle5565]

It's called jihad.

[@princegoro6840]

Because they want all the free things this country affords. Free healthcare, free education. Earning in pounds. There’s no loyalty to the country. This is more than just a Islam issue. Speaking as a British Asian who grew up in Hounslow which is suburb of London, I’ve seen the devastation of the British culture and values we as westerners take for granted. Many people from my community came to make tons of money but secretly behind closed doors despise the country where they live. I’ve heard it growing up.

[@cyclist68]

@@barrychuckle5565 Its also called benfits, free medicare and education

[@unicorntelecoms4387]

As someone who lived 2 years jn Bradford I can tell you, the people who hate the country do not hate the money they make in it. They will never ever ever turn their hatred into that kind of positive action.. And leave. Never. They would rather see it burn.

[@jzen1455]

See it burn and turned into the shithole the fled from. Soon there will be no more peaceful nations to f@ck up with Islam and the world will become a violent Islam sh!thole.

[@easyreader6179]

The one thing they don't hate is the NHS and Welfare State

[@DJRockford83]

I've also lived there and the best way to improve it is the use of nuclear weapons

[@mickyvionsellinas6743]

@@DJRockford83 hahahahahahahahaha ditto , and DITTO ;D

[@mred3525]

Rotting rather than burning is the reality. Zero respect for a civilised culture and environment. It never has and never will be compatible.

[@Alanginger]

I was a white community nurse in Birmingham in 1984 - I to enable me care for people required a bodyguard not just as an interpreter, as a bodyguard in the true sense of the word. - these segregations have been going on for years

[@pies2197]

My parents and I came to the UK. They left because they didn't like the country. I stayed because I love Britain

[@MsMounen]

I'm not christian, but I believe I have christian values because I've been brought up with them. None of my family are christian, but they all have the same values as me. The problem here really, is that if you let too many people emigrate here, we begin to have a hard time holding our culture together. I think in some towns it has probably felt like an invasion rather than just a few new people moving in.

[@Jordan-tx6kv]

If you don’t like immigrants go to a different country.

[@MsMounen]

@@Jordan-tx6kv ah! Good joke! I like it.

[@HeLpLOstGOdAny1]

​@@Jordan-tx6kv No need to, being surrounded by hundreds of thousands of foreigners creates a separate parallel country anyway, what bizarre fantasy planet are you living on

[@tifawt3736]

Ironically Christianity comes from West Asia (foreign).

[@robertmacdonaldch5105]

@@tifawt3736 barely foreign. A Greekafied, Roman province isnt very foreign

[@gelflingfay]

If you do not like the place and its laws and culture, DO NOT MOVE THERE!!! It is so simple. If for some reason you are forced to move to a place you do not want to, the laws still exist and you not liking the laws does not negate them.

[@netsurfer3655]

And they aren't always forced. There's the lure of being supported by the tax payer and never having to work, be productive, or assimilate.

[@Lurch685]

If only Jews kept this same energy when they came to Palestine.

[@theresnothingcommonaboutsense]

@@Lurch685 Idiotic comment which demonstrates your complete lack of understanding or knowledge of the history of that region.

[@LuisCarruthers]

It's all very well saying this but we have four million Muslims as Husain says in the interview. They're having far more kids than the average white British person and even other ethnic minorities. So they are already here and soon they'll be shaping our culture for us.

[@neilsimpson9963]

@@LuisCarruthers the most popular boys name in the UK is Muhammad

[@kikiursalone]

As a Christian Pakistani-Brit, thoroughly enjoyed this although I did disagree in parts, I must admit! Wishing Dr. Husain all the best and am cautiously optimistic! Thank you and God bless you all!

[@dalorasinum386]

What were the parts you disagreed with and why?

[@AK-hi7mg]

Congrats on being a Christian .

[@realMaverickBuckley]

Kieran ?

[@mickeydougal]

The true God speaks to Muslims through dreams and visions, and reveals His Son. And also exposes the false prophet.

[@Lurch685]

@@mickeydougal you sound like a deranged cultist.

[@alexcarvalho2175]

If they want proper sharia law, they can go to Afghanistan now, 100% sharia

[@PibrochPonder]

Exactly, I would happily do a fundraiser for the flights.

[@jzen1455]

There's tons of Muslim nations to immigrate to. I wonder why they ALL suck and have strict immigration laws for fellow Muslims...

[@User-4517]

@@jzen1455 bombing those places is probably a good reason why they are leaving... think critically.

[@ca9968]

No council houses and money every month without having to work there though...

[@TheMagnificentGman]

@@User-4517 every Muslim country is being bombed? Please tell me more

[@MmmMulholland]

I absolutely loved this and agreed with everything. As a mixed race Arabic/English woman, it absolutely terrifies that Islamism could take hold in the future. It shocks me how far gone white do-gooder saviours are. If you are ashamed of your country, make it better! Don’t just sit there and slag it all off. And if you don’t like it ...there’s the door. Go!

[@robw7676]

White saviour leftists are the biggest problem & far outnumber the Islamists.

[@countbooga6997]

You've been absolutely fooled then. Islam without genocide, violence, slavery, rape, and world domination is like Christianity without salvation and compassion, it is impossible. Muhammad is the perfect person in islam and the role model for all muslims, sharia law is the backbone of islam as its based off the quran to the T. Muhammad demanded islamic world domination and the subjugation and humiliation/execution of all christians and jews, the execution or forced conversion of all kuffirs (nonbelievers) and execution of ALL apostates. Muslims are by Islamic law and Allah's command NOT ALLOWED to follow any secular or non islamic law or they will burn for eternity in the afterlife, the same goes for criticizing islam, fellow muslims, or Muhammad which is also punishable by beheading. There is no such thing as "islamic extremists" they are simply following islam as Muhammad intended it. As long as islam exists the words will always be threatened, muslims should either be forced to refute islam and Muhammad or stay in their own countries. Sorry but I'm not going to accept people living amongst me who's religion demands my peoples genocide (jews) for the second coming of their prophet and the sexual enslavement of my mother and female friends since they are nonbelievers. I love and appreciate middle eastern people but muslims are incompatible with the west. When they are in the minority they are fine but once they are the majority the slaughter all non believers and destroy the country.

[@allenz9993]

Legal deportation of Radical Islamists is the way to go. And it's way past time to have public discussion on the issue. Thank you Ed Husain.

[@hufclufc]

not going to happen - try again

[@Hannibal953able]

Radical Islamists should be shot. Simple as that.

[@SurpriseMeJT]

@@Hannibal953able Islam is treason to any country that is not Islamic, plain and simple.

[@murderoustendencies]

Deportation to where ? An islamist country where they will be celebrated, and where local terrorist cells will benefit from their knowledge of England to better prepare their next attack ??

[@maureenbarclay2127]

I agree and recently I've heard more voices saying this. Why should we tolerate and support those who hate us. Let them return to the hell hole they left. Where their archaic attitude is facilitated. Europe is the wrong destination

[@almor2445]

I've never in my life had a problem with people who move here to become the best Brits they can be and to raise their children the same way. For some reason my objection to importing lunatics without question has seen me labelled far-right by family and friends. Just because extreme Nationalism is a bad idea doesn't mean we should stop trying to make policies that are in the best interests of good, working people already here.

[@bobnewsdog]

Its defining what the "best interests" are that is the challenge. Very subjective. Hard to not let bias, prejudice, racism, etc to drive that calculation. There isn't an objective and/or 100% fair way to do it.

[@ThisIsJamesL]

The indigen0s people of this island will be an ethn1c m1n0rity by 2066.

[@marcustulliuscicero2676]

@@bobnewsdog Woke word salad. It's impossible to get rid of bias, and why is it a bad thing, exactly? Everyone is and SHOULD be biased. I'm biased towards interests of my family and children. I do care more about my friends, my hometowns, my countries (I've lived in more than one) - why is it a bad thing? I'm not British, but I had lived in the UK for a few years and love the country and the people. Don't live in the UK now, don't have British citizenship. But I strongly believe that the British should care about themselves far more than about people with very different values and mentality from half across the world. As an immigrant who lived in several countries, I say that immigration to any developed country MUST be severely limited.

[@bobnewsdog]

@@marcustulliuscicero2676 Woke is a term that weak minded people use. You have a vocabulary. Use it. I don't agree people should be biased. Loving/liking your family and friends doesn't mean your biased. Treating someone differently just because of a certain data point that is not relevant or supported by reasonable standards. Why should immigration be limited? Every developed country is facing an increasing decline in birth rates. Developed countries' citizens aren't replacing themselves and have to import people.

[@seanpaul3954]

Experience has led me to believe that about 65% of the Muslim population of the UK are strongly against integrating into the wider community, and view non believers as (at best) 2nd class citizens. I sincerely wish that I didn't believe this ,and would love to hear from anyone who believes that things are more positive...

[@titteryenot4524]

Yeah, but ‘integrating’ is very often a sleight of language and what’s *really* meant by ‘integration’ is ‘agrees with me’. In a secular multicultural democracy you’re just going to have to accept that there will be others with ‘funny’ habits and customs. As long as no one is breaking the law (and 99.9% aren’t) then that’s just something you’ll have to deal with. Unless, that is, you want to impose the autocratic state of Sean Paul.🧐

[@MsMounen]

What is meant by integration, is assimilating to and understanding the culture you have moved to as an immigrant. This is expected and as it should be in any country.

[@titteryenot4524]

@@MsMounen Yes, but if you moved to China, say, beyond learning the language and obeying the law, would you *honestly* integrate/assimilate beyond these basics? I doubt you would. You might say something different.🧐

[@memeticist]

@@titteryenot4524 Then they should not move to China. That is all the more true given the CCPs growing crackdown on Westerners.

[@titteryenot4524]

@@memeticist I was using China as a random example. I could’ve said if you moved to Saudi Arabia, beyond obeying the law and learning Arabic, would you assimilate/integrate? I repeat, I don’t think the majority would.🥸

[@nnbg8000]

Mr. Husain forgets that the UK parliament has many Pakstani-origin (very often with dual-nationalities) MPs who do propagate sharia courts. I would say, they have enough confidence. In fact, we would want them to have less confidence in spreading their ideas.

[@deuterium1]

The Labour Party is an obstacle to any changes taking place.

[@Lurch685]

There are Halachic courts as well. Nobody complains about those.

[@grannyannie2948]

In Australia you cannot be an MP if you have duel nationality. People of foreign ancestory must renounce any other nationalities they hold.

[@Nossieuk]

@@Lurch685 all those bad people who practice Halachic rules raping kids....

[@annal2740]

What a brave and honest man. He's said exactly what I've been thinking for years.

[@ronaldchapman2806]

For a very intelligent man, Ed is almost childishly naive. Why on earth would they choose to emigrate to Afghanistan when they have their eyes on the entire west? They have carried out a very successful trojan horse operation, with the assistance of fifth columnists. They are united in their project while the fragmented opposition indulge in ineffectual hand wringing. The west as a whole must unite to defend their values but they are busy changing laws to make any opposition ineffective. I believe that opinion polls have shown that the vast majority are in favour of Sharia law. The number of active, or potential, terrorists may be numerically small but the number of fellow travellers is enormous.

[@reasonablespeculation3893]

If Husain is intelligent, then he is also a liar.... He is clearly downplaying the impact of Islamic Religion and Islamic Culture (very closely tied) on the attitudes of Moslems. Jesus is a completely different character then Mohammed, inspiring completely different priorities in their followers. The validity of the supernatural claims notwithstanding.

[@ronaldchapman2806]

@@reasonablespeculation3893 There is much in what you say. He has apparently seduced many viewers by his personal skills, a person of good faith. Whether he is a deliberately conscious liar or simply deluded and naive is open to question but his connections to Blair are, shall we say, concerning. Like an anthropologist, he has carried out research in the field but he is an international elitist, living in the ivory tower of Georgetown latitude

[@tifawt3736]

As far as I’m aware, the qur’an categorically stated if Muslims settles on foreign land, they must respect the law of the land.Muslims that wants Shari’ah law are conveniently forget this!

[@ronaldchapman2806]

@@tifawt3736 If that is the case then all well and good but if deliberate deception is being practiced by teachers who claim to follow the text then as, Reasonable Speculation suggested, we have a very real, unaddressed problem. All religious texts are open to interpretation and can be easily twisted to your own ends, either malevolently or otherwise. There must be one law for all and if liberals undermine this then it is a recipe for disaster for all. There must be a separation between law and personal faith but some see them joined as one.

[@monember2722]

@@ronaldchapman2806 he had some relationship with the Council On Foreign Relations and Blair. These contacts explain that he is controlled opposition, going only so far and not the whole way in his conclusions.

[@yoginid672]

Brave and important discussion, thank you Ed Husain & Trig.

[@mikelish9303]

I have loved Listening to Ed. I really want for it to be possible for Muslims to be part if an 'enlightened' West.

[@MrMegaTubs]

@@mikelish9303 won't happen.

[@User-4517]

@@mikelish9303 what enlightenment are you talking about? have you seen the state of the culture promoted on tv/media and the average person on the street?

[@jogo5732]

@@User-4517still better than what you see in the streets of Afghanistan

[@tsumnerbmw]

Thank you all for having the intestinal fortitude to discuss what most in the media are to scared to broach.

[@christinerussell113]

I was somewhat impressed with this guy until the subject of the growing birthrate amongst Muslims was raised, along with a declining birthrate in the white population. They all apparently agreed that this is not a problem, ie white, indigenous peoples gradually replaced. They also stumbled over the notion of the indigenous people of this Island being white. Why the embarrassment?, Britain is a North European country, white is its face, or has been until very recently in its history. I just wonder how non Western countries would feel if this casual approach were adopted should millions of white folks decide to join them. Obviously ethnic replacement is not a problem if it occurs in white, Western nations. We are expected to accept it as inevitable, and even celebrate the event.

[@User-4517]

perhaps you should read a history book or two and realise that's exactly what happened - whites turned up to colonise, look and enslave "non western nations".

[@christinerussell113]

@@User-4517 And perhaps you should realise that the numbers of Brits who went to say India was tiny, the British Empire was run by a very small number. They did not replace the indigenous population. Perhaps you might also take a look at the matter of slavery. It was not invented by whites, or specifically Britain. It was practised worldwide, and for centuries, indeed the word slave actually derives from slavic. And this country did more than anyone to put a stop to it, using the then might of the Royal Navy to enforce the ban, even blockading countries, like Brazil for instance. More importantly, it is still going on, ie Libya, where people are being sold like cattle, and child slaves in African mines.

[@Michelle_Wellbeck]

The reason is because "white" isn't a real cultural identity and for the most part the identity of "white" has been artificially constructed. "white" is effectively a non-identity. Legitimate cultural identities do exist, like the Scottish, Welsh, and Irish. These identities had strong languages, cultural practices, and a sense of self identity. However historically, the English looked down on these cultures and worked to undermine these identities and reduce their sense of solidarity. The idea of one's identity being a subject of the British Empire was much more vague and had less of a solid ground compared to the previous established distinct identities. Being a British subject was the precursor to white identity. The logic of English colonialism expanded to the US, where people were also encouraged to throw away their immigrant cultures to assimilate in order to be regarded as proper Americans. At first only English protestants were seen as men of legitimate standing in the US which gradually grew to include Scandinavians, Germans, and later on Italians and Irish, all of which traded their own cultural identities in order to be seen as the blank identity of "white". It's telling that the imperialistic western countries like the UK and America are the places with people who identify themselves as being "white". If an American moved to Romania, Georgia, or Finland and tried to tell them that they both have the same cultural identity of being "white" they would be laughed of to no end. In this regard "White" identity is similar to "Islamic" identity because their aims are solely to expand and erase all smaller cultural identities to end with creating a society with a monotone meaningless culture. This leads to our modern nihilistic world where there is the idea that "Western" society (often used to substitute for white) must take over "Islamic" society or the other way round. It really is quite sad that immigrants from South Asia are alienated from their own cultures but at the same time are not yet accepted as white and therefore identitify themselves as having an "Islamic" identity. If the British Empire had been more lenient in accepting a true multicultural society then we would have less problems to do with identity now.

[@Michelle_Wellbeck]

@@christinerussell113 I think you're forgetting about The US, Austrlia and Canada.

[@christinerussell113]

@@Michelle_Wellbeck I used the term white because that happens to be the colour of Western nations like Britain, and it is the one in decline. I could use the word English, which, despite the best efforts of those on the left to say differently, does have its own culture. Just as the Irish and Scottish do, who like us, have a skin shade that is white. Just a simple fact, hardly controversial. And in case you haven't noticed, this country has been multicultural for decades, and a disaster it has proven to be. The term multicultural, as opposed to multi ethnic, leads to a society divided into various ethnic groups, or ghettos, with no shared vision of how the country should be run, hardly a recipe for social cohesion. Immigrants have been encouraged in the notion that all cultures are equal, and further, unlike us, are invited to celebrate their roots. I have no embarrassment at saying that my culture, one of Democracy, equality for all, and the rule of law, is superior to many others. That is why immigrants come here, the traffic after all is largely one way.

[@mark1963you]

Migrant communities are NOT being held hostage... it's not all OUR fault.🤔

[@netsurfer3655]

There shouldn't even be migrant communities. Migrants should assimilate. Otherwise, what are they doing there?

[@PibrochPonder]

@@netsurfer3655 they are colonists if they are not interested in assimilation. Colonisation of this country is a very real thing.

[@netsurfer3655]

@@PibrochPonder good way of putting it.

[@grannyannie2948]

This is a problem in most western countries.

[@martincarroll8637]

Hugely impressed with the conversation about a particular subject that is continuously being described as too uncomfortable and therefore placed up high on the taboo shelf. There can only be one Law here in Britain and that’s British. Sharia Law has to cease on these islands because it truly is repugnant and an affront to our democracy.

[@stoerg2012]

The laws are made by people for people and not by nature or God. Each culture has its own laws. If one changes the culture one will also not come around to adapt the laws of the changed culture.

[@ThisIsJamesL]

In a multiculti society that makes you islamophobic

[@DMPepe]

I love Britain even though I am not British. For decades it has been my fascination it’s history and it’s culture. It distresses me how in the last years it has been less and less British. It worries how it is under attack by progressives, islamists, ideologues and so very few defend it and do anything to preserve it. And does anyone remember that it’s flag is a combination of Christian crosses? Husain gives me hope that their may still be an England in the future.

[@maureenbarclay2127]

Believe me your fear is echoed in a lot of places. I firmly believe the Brits will only take so much . Husain gives us all hope

[@ronaldchapman2806]

Ed is a decent man who points out the problems but it has become far too deeply entrenched and there is no political will to improve the situation. I hate to say it but we really are going to hell in a handcart. It's far more than a few rogue imans and the odd suicide bomber. The poison has been allowed to infect the whole body. I would love him to lecture in the universities but I have an idea how that would turn out.

[@LuisCarruthers]

You are right about political will. As the Muslim population increases more and more, Labour will move further away from ever criticising it. Even now, the Conservatives are almost totally unprepared to talk about it as well. Islam will have a bigger and bigger influence on our culture and what it will become and when it's too late the Guardian readers will realise Ukip had a point after all.

[@jzen1455]

Speaking out against Islam is considered racist hate speech and could lead to getting fired, deplatformed, blacklisted, demonetized, and ostracized in other ways. Things will continue to worsen.

[@ronaldchapman2806]

@@LuisCarruthers Thanks for your reply. I wish I could be optimistic but all I hear are faint whispers drowned out by screams. As Dylan warned, "So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late".

[@douglasherron7534]

@@LuisCarruthers I doubt Guardian readers will ever realise anything is wrong...

[@LuisCarruthers]

@@douglasherron7534 They will if their daughters are being harassed for not wearing a headscarf. And we're probably only ten or fifteen years away from that.

[@elizabethrye560]

What a fantastic speaker. Great man. So much commonsense and positivity. I like him!

[@BrettJones27]

I so want to believe Ed Husain's vision for the future, and his belief that there is a way forward as western society with an integrated Islam. But this is far from any personal experience I have had with grass-roots Muslims I have worked with and alongside for the last twenty years. I have always found a surface-level adherence or acquiescence to western values, but underneath, it takes so little to get to core beliefs that Islam should take over and all of the non-believers need to be converted or got out of the way, and some interpretation of Sharia should be implemented. That said, this is the same for many fundamentalist Christians I know, too... western civilisation, individual rights and enlightenment values seem to hang by a thread at the moment.

[@black-aliss]

Heh. You need to find those Muslims with a surface-level adherence to religion and a commitment to universalist values and secularism instead, much like the bulk of Christians. Those are often the ones fleeing religious fanaticism in their own countries... and the ones the Left is throwing under the bus in the name of "tolerance".

[@BrettJones27]

@@black-aliss That I do. And encourage and support as best I can. Thank you for your polite comment. I have a some clients right now, a Uighur couple trying to make a new start in Australia, fleeing a different kind of oppression. They're good people.

[@bobnewsdog]

I have in-law Muslim family members. Regular folk. Want the same thing that normal Americans do. I actually have had far more problems with Christians. Many strong/devout Christians seem intent on imposing their religious and moral beliefs on America. I have had to end friendships of more than 20-30 years because I can't deal with them. Anyone that identifies as very religious scares me.

[@sanniepstein4835]

@@bobnewsdog What religious/moral views do christians have that you disagree with? And what do you mean by imposing? Has anyone ever been legally required to attend church?

[@bobnewsdog]

@@sanniepstein4835 Blue laws have been primarily driven by Christians (Sunday). For the US, all things regarding sex, sexual preference, sexual identity, drugs, entertainment content, the primary group that strongly pushes for government intervention has been Christians, churches, non-profit orgs, advocacy groups etc. Politicians to the this day run on Christianity. There is strong irony in the fact that many Christian conservatives state they believe in limited government (keep government out of our lives) but are perfectly comfortable getting government involved in our lives to impose their moral/religious views.

[@rashone2879]

I love this gentleman for saying he hates the term “community” ... massive grouping of individual people under the “community” label. I see it as divisive, closing huge faceless groups into closed, exclusive “communities”.

[@jzen1455]

I've never felt a part of this esoteric "Asian (Oriental in the UK) Community" that I'm supposedly a part of. This community (or what woke [usually white] people assume the community thinks) dictates what I should be concerned about and what I should be offended by.

[@tenacioustubbs8358]

It also gives rise the invariably self-appointed "community leader"

[@johnthorpe163]

I saw a poll where over 50% of 'muslims in the UK would not report someone that what radicalized. This doesn't square with Ed saying most Muslims are just normal people.

[@PibrochPonder]

If they were just normal people as he says then why do we see so few Muslim women married to indigenous people from this country? I can think of hardly any. I can’t think of one example of a Muslim woman that is married to a black man! Let’s talk about the deep racism that exists in that group.

[@User-4517]

Sounds like you’ve been radicalised.

[@PibrochPonder]

@Sydney Lechienne I know, the village where my mum lives had a post office where the daughter was murdered because of the reason you gave. I think you would need to go back 400 years to find a comparable crime in that area. This is very much an imported problem. We need to start to call the minority religious groups that are racist and discriminatory towards the indigenous population out. This racist attitude towards the indigenous population must be stopped or it will only get worse as non integrated colonisation of the country grows.

[@LuisCarruthers]

If most Muslims in Britain were just normal people you'd see them in the local having a pint of real ale.

[@aligned4good]

What a wonderful human! Enjoyed listening to him very much! Thank you 🙏

[@alanjones4333]

Superb interview, thank you to all participants and background team!

[@birdwithabrokenwing]

This was a brilliant interview- I loved listening to Ed Husain and will definitely be reading his book 👍

[@mark1963you]

The point was reached in 1968 with Enoch Powell & his 2nd speech, "Rivers of Blood". Opinion polling after that speech was, Pro EP 74%, neutral 9%, anti EP 15%.🤔🙄

[@deepreading6615]

7:18 "I blame us the rest of us...for not saying to the young lad, come on board..." 28:41 "no one explained...women have equal status in the eyes of the law that is equal to that of a man..." As Ed acknowledges at 20:57, there are Hindus, Sikhs and others from similar ethnic groups and social classes (i.e. working class) as Muslims who migrated to the UK who seem to have not required such messages to be delivered to them or values explained to them and seem to be a lot more integrated and patriotic. As Ed rightly asked, it begs the question 'why'?

[@dianadurham1017]

This is great, well done Trig. Embolden MPs and journalists to talk about what is at stake.

[@elizabethgeorge4708]

What a perfect finale to a wonderful interview by brilliant hosts and an amazing guest.

[@dawnmuir5052]

Brilliant!! Wonderful guest! One big problem: if the solution is to talk openly about this issue, reform the universities (and therefore schools?), be confident about our western values, what is the magic wand that you wave to get these things to happen? I think that was the question Konstantin was asking, but it was never addressed. For example, talking about these issues honestly only seems to happen on the rare channels like these where people are already likeminded on the question of the value of those same western values like free speech, open discussion, individual sovereignty, secular rule of law, rationalism etc. Perhaps he means that people in the middle will be drawn to our side by viewing such discussions, but I don't think people in the middle are the problem...

[@viralaffiliate8999]

Thank you ed ! ❤ it was very emotional for me in the best way, it gives me hope that we will be able to live in peace

[@davidcoates1958]

What a fantastic guest. Love your work guys and continuous courage to seek out the truth. There must be so many more muslims like your extraordinary guest. Giving a platform to such a person should surely have a snowball effect on courage within the Muslim communities to turn the tide on the current aggressive narrow minded medieval version that seems to be engulfing much of Europe.

[@rhoetusochten4211]

It seems like the esteemed guest imagines religion as a form of cultural expression not really different than clothing styles. If the styles change, then the religion should change just like we don't wear loincloths anymore. But that's just not how a devout follower of any faith or religion acts. I'm not buying what he's selling because he's not (metaphorically) speaking to those who are "the problem".

[@Generalscorpio]

He seems to be saying what he wishes were the case as if it is the case.

[@Raahiba]

This interviewee comes across as rather lightweight. Immigrants who live in exclusive immigrant 'communities' aren't going to attend an induction class entitled 'The integral values handed down to you by your ancestors and taught by your sacred texts are actually just wrong. Accept it' and go 'Oh! I had no idea! Thanks for pointing that out! I'm culturally British now!'. There *is* a problem of the Muslim British population skewing towards the lower-educated and more-indoctrinated end of the spectrum - those people are even less open to the above attempt at cultural change. Arabian countries acknowledging that Israel exists is not likely to have a significant impact on Arabian cultural attitudes to Jews. Those are just a few of the issues on which I don't see his ideas reflected in reality. He seems like a nice and intelligent man but I can't respect his arguments.

[@isobelmcbride2672]

This video was fantastic, it was so good to hear such a frank and honest conversation with Ed Husain

[@mark1963you]

Enoch Powell was concerned about this, & he appears to be endorsed by Ed Husain , here.🤔🙄

[@PibrochPonder]

Mr Powell was right!

[@lindalaw5466]

Looking forward to this!

[@Ellebeeby]

"Native" IS the word, Konstantin. "Indigenous" is another. And they're not dirty words.

[@NevinDouglas82]

Tom Holland (previous guest of the show) has a fascinating outlook on the topic of integration. In his book “Dominion”, he carefully and thoroughly traces the development of cultural philosophy throughout the Christian west. One of the most important philosophical developments that he highlights is the concept of secularism. As he describes, secularism is a product of western Christian culture. The very idea of a “private” relationship with the divine which somehow exists separate from and outside of the greater society is not a concept that you find in other great cultures. For example, if you lived in Ancient Greece, your relationship with the Gods was not merely a personal thing. The “religious” domain was infused into every aspect of the culture. Politics, military conflict, financial management, interpersonal relationships… the Gods were an ever-present aspect of EVERYTHING. Such is the case for all major cultures up until the concept of secularism takes hold in the Christian west. As such, to many people outside the west, secularism IS Christian. The very idea that our “religious beliefs” can be compartmentalized away from broader society is seen as part of the Christian belief system. So to many, adopting secular ways is seen as a sort of conversion to the Christian world view. As Holland points out in his book, there is a famous Indian writer who said “Christianity spreads two ways; through conversion, and through secularism”. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that many of the cultures who have more successfully integrated into western life have been deeply influenced by western culture, often due to colonization or occupation. Even decades after the end of imperial occupation, you can still see the lingering traces of secularism in many countries (although some of these countries are actively working to push secularism out of their societies today). I think that Holland has very much put his finger on the deep root of so much of the tension we see between western society and other cultures. Those who have grown up in the modern west have an understanding of “religion” as a purely internal belief system which we all compartmentalize away from our dealings with public society. It doesn’t occur to us that the simple act of pulling our spiritual beliefs, whatever those beliefs happen to be, out from broader society is seen as a religious tradition in and of itself. And therefore, the demand that other cultures adopt this practice is seen by many as a kind of religious takeover. We think “hey believe whatever you want, just keep it to yourself” without realizing that such a concept of religious belief is an inherently Christian concept.

[@NevinDouglas82]

@Camelot House It seems to me that part of the problem with the secular world view is that those of us born and raised in it seem to think that our daily way of life is somehow “non religious”. We grow up thinking that we have our own personal spiritual beliefs… maybe we’re Christian, or Jewish, or atheist… but we believe that our broader society is non-religious. This can easily lead to the assumption that our basic common values are some kind of human default. Especially atheists. We often think everyone has the same values that we do at their core, but their religion gets in the way. What we fail to recognize is that the moral fabric we grow up within is a deeply religious moral system. We just don’t use religious language to justify it. I think this is why so many secular westerners are confused or surprised when their “way of life” seems incompatible with others (whether it’s people who immigrate to a western society and fail to integrate, or people who live in places where western democracy has been quickly exported). The truth is that western secular society is based on the idea that all its citizens adopt the same basic moral framework so we can all coexist… and that moral framework is a Christian one.

[@aben42933]

The Tom Holland episode was one of my favorites. It was so interesting. Great comment.

[@Michelle_Wellbeck]

It is quite an irony how arguing for the concept of secularism from the framework of Christianity has the ends of destroying Christianity and effectively replaces a Christian society with a "secular" society. The idea of secularism itself is an innovation far from biblical times started with Protestantism which apart from the hermeneutical appeals themselves was promoted for self-serving ends in order for nations to gain independence from the influence of the Catholic Church. Was secularism as a principle there to appeal against the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, or the religious conversion of South America? I think not. An argument for secularism on the grounds of Christian tradition leads to intractable contradictions which aren't justifiable on from the other principles of Christianity in any way. How can secularism under Christianity justify the existence of a society where Abortion, Prostitution, Gambling, and Usury are all legal? The conclusion is that It is a fallacy to claim that secularism is a part of Christianity when secularism has the effect of ending Christianity (and all other religions for that matter).

[@Michelle_Wellbeck]

Jesus' guidance of "render unto caesar" speaks specifically only to one's duty to pay taxes to a government yet has been interpreted far beyond that scope.

[@NevinDouglas82]

@@Michelle_Wellbeck Secularism is a concept which developed within and was adopted by western Christian societies. It is philosophically unique to that culture. It is a concept that doesn’t exist in other cultures, apart from those who have learned/absorbed it from Christian culture. In my opinion, you are looking at the modern day concept of secularism (which is often seen as directly anti-religious) while overlooking the evolution of secularism as it occurred through christian culture. It all goes back to a single biblical reference: “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's”. The concept that there is, and should be, a separation between the divine and the earthly realms of politics. This goes directly against the belief systems of every other great society we know of, all of whom relied on a claim of direct connection between their rulers and the divine to justify their claim to authority. Augustine is the first (as far as I know) to push this concept of separation between the “saeculares et religiosi”, what we now call the secular and religious domains. And that was back in the… 4th century? Maybe 5th (can’t remember the exact dates, but it was LONG before the reformation).

[@mark1963you]

This is how it happened in Fiji.🤔🙄

[@simonclare100]

You are the go to place for real conversation, thankyou so much, very much appreciated

[@cdrone4066]

Masjid Narwaz is a modern Muslim who has been on TV and radio, who has talked about political Islam.

[@happyaslarry5839]

He is also fighting the Jihad, very clever man who is fooling you.

[@Busy23Mom]

Great conversation! I was really encouraged to hear this discussion.

[@mark1963you]

Of course there is a conflict between being Muslim & Western.🙄

[@rhoetusochten4211]

No there isn't, didn't you hear him say there isn't? We should just ignore all evidence to the contrary. /sarcasm

[@mark1963you]

Indigenous ... is the word you want.🙄

[@ELee-zv5ud]

His first comment is a lie. There is plenty of audio and video evidence of that being preached. He is using taqyia.

[@dna598]

A word of advice friend. Don't bother saying "taqiya". It's not a word that is used by Muslims to describe lying to advance islam. If anything it is a Shia word to describe hiding your religion (Shia Islam) from the Sunni majority in order to keep your head. As for its use in the west, it will be used against you to show you up as an "ignorant racist" that doesn't know what he's talking about.

[@HeLpLOstGOdAny1]

​@@dna598 True, your description of Taqqiya is correct. Tawriya, (deceit by ambiguity), Kitman (deceit by omission), and Muruna (deceit by the temporary suspension of Sharia) are methods to advance the cause & spread of submission to the political cult ideology, the system branded the 'perfect system' ... so perfect it has never found resolve for 14 centuries of civil conflicts that continue to this day. The death toll caused to other cult followers (alone) in the past 70 years is estimated to be upwards of 11 million, then there's the vast numbers of infidel lives they've taken . .

[@TheCreation0fAdam]

This guy is a perfect example how imigration and multiculturalism should work

[@mark1963you]

43,000 ... at what cost of police monitoring?🤔

[@fraserbailey6347]

Husain seems very unaware as to the nature of many Islamic countries. They still whip adulterers etc in Indonesia. On the plus side, women in Saudi are not allowed to drive to the beheadings.

[@fraserbailey6347]

That should read 'now allowed to drive to the beheadings'.

[@essa6141]

Haven't you heard, we've joined the 20th century in 2018 and we get to drive and male Guardianship has been lifted.

[@Lurch685]

Sounds like a well run society. Bet they don’t have a massive divorce rate and STDs and illegitimate children ruining their cities.

[@douglasherron7534]

Totally agree about the one law for all and the need to crack down/ stamp out any and all other shadow/ parallel "legal" systems in the UK. However, he is lying / being very disingenuous @16:50 when he says political Islam is a thing of the past. Islam is not a religion in the Christian sense where it is divorced from daily life. Islam is a way of life and that is why Muslims in the West are by-and-large not integrated and live in a separate and parallel society.

[@ajh3301]

Thank you for your consistent approach and defining terms up front.

[@undefinedfreedom8580]

Wow.mwhat a refreshing voice to listen to: clear, sensible, intelligent and most of all, BRAVE.

[@themazemaster1]

One of the best yet boys, well done, well done!

[@legatrix]

I read Ed Husain's book The Islamist when I was 18 and was living in Whitechapel, ripe to be horrified at the anti-English activities being planned and perpetrated in our very midst. Much more recently, I read The House of Islam. Reviews said it shoehorned in too much Sufism, and I agree, but it was still a good read. Anyway, he's a good chap overall, thanks for the good reads, and I have certainly come to a more nuanced view of Islam (and the fascinating Arabic language) since the early days.

[@angelatakano6072]

It’s start with education at school: you have to teach them how to love their county why to be thankful to your society , etc . Values are taught early

[@burleybater]

What a refreshing breath of fresh air is Ed Husain. He is the example of hope that reveals light at the end of the tunnel, and gives hope of a meaningful way forward. Every single time I've thought that it is such a preposterous double standard, or that I would not go to a radically different nation than my own, and expect to dispense my ideas as gospel - that tolerance and integration and acceptance is a two-way street.

[@Nuggruk]

Fascinating stuff, well reasoned, insightful and educational... thank you.

[@MultiOpolis]

I read The Islamist in my early 20s and it made a huge impact on my thinking.

[@johnradin1273]

Meaning what exactly ?

[@vickingvicbubble8042]

In France they say that muslim migrants (first second or third generation) should identify as French first and Muslim second.

[@joepofferman433]

'Muslims and others are welcome to this country, it is not putting up the barriers, come on board' 59:09

[@GrumpyDragon_aka_LjL]

Another interesting show guys. Very thought provoking. 👍

[@zedasamuel7164]

Well done, lads, as usual. Luck and prayers to Ed. Thanks, all.

[@darrenkenton5364]

Brilliant interview guys, I really enjoyed it and great honest guest.

[@Catmac2000]

I respect Mr Husain for saying it like he sees it. There is far too much apathy in our communities in regard to our concerns for the lack of assimilation and cohesiveness. And of course if you do speak up you run the risk of being labeled a racist or bigot.

[@juggy666]

Wow Ed gives a loving but firm perspective. Deep respect.

[@KevinArdala01]

Unfortunately PEW poling doesn't paint an optimistic pitcure when it comes to support for Sharia or having general Islamist leanings or aspirations. And, after growing up in one of these areas and seeing it first hand, I don't feel particularly hopeful about the situation, quite the opposite, in fact. I wish we had more decent chaps like Ed...that would be something to be proud of.

[@netsurfer3655]

if only authorities were cognisant of information such as PEW. they'd have to take different decisions.

[@KevinArdala01]

@Net Surfer I think the government are perfectly cognisant of this type of information, but prefer to ignore it and pretend it'll all come out in the wash, partly for reasons of political expedience and partly because there aren't any easy answers, politically, that conform to modern PC outlooks; that is, if they aren't prepared to assert liberal values.You only have to look at how they covered up the grooming gangs and continue to do so!

[@jzen1455]

That's racist talk! /s Islam is the fasting growing religion. It's best to accept that fact and adapt the best way you can.

[@netsurfer3655]

@@jzen1455 what race is being targeted?

[@jzen1455]

@@netsurfer3655 I was being sarcastic thus "/s". Many people consider anything bad said against Islam to be RACIST!

[@kenjohnston2531]

Ed is only saying what Tommy Robinson has been saying for years. But because Tommy is British working class you won't have him on your show.

[@angusmcangus7914]

“What the hell do we do about it?” Have the clear out now. That’s what needs to be done. Re the Jews in Britain: Ed overlooks the fact that Edward I kicked them out in the 13th Century and Oliver Cromwell invited them back in the 17th.

[@octomancer]

The final question to all guests is the now-famous "What aren't we talking about that we should be?" Well, here in the comments section I never see it mentioned how intellectually rigourous they both are. In order to have the conversations they have without them becoming overly polemic and divisive requires them to know what they believe, to know in detail the message they want to speak. I think they make it look easier than it is in practice. They have gone from strength to strength over time, both in terms of their skill as interviewers and the ... the ... I dunno, gravitas of the guests. I remember the first time they had Nigel Farage on they were endearingly excited about it, like a couple of schoolboys hehe. It's a mark of how far Triggernometry has come that high profile guests like Farage, Matt Ridley, Jordan Petersen, and finally, after years of trying, David Nutt(!) seem almost commonplace ... not really, there's obviously a lot of effort that goes into booking such fascinating (heh) people. This conversation with Ed Husain was jaw-droppingly good, a definite coup getting him on. Triggernometry far surpasses anything that's produced by mainstream media. MSM's reach and influence gets smaller by the year, thank god for honest journalists on the internet!!

[@AndrewMair]

Just came to this video after reading "Among the Mosques: A Journey Across Muslim Britain" and wanted to find out more about Ed. He is a wonderful advocate for an integrated society, but watching this now, after the Al-Aqsa Flood, we seem to be marching backwards. People who think there is no problem should read his book. Yes, it has some optimism, but I think we are metaphorically on a knife edge and have been too slow and naïve to see what has been happening.

[@decembersend9760]

Fascinating discussion This guy seems to be smart, well informed and thoughtful.The kind of person who should be determining policy. Would be interested in his views on racism in the UK, Palestine, Christian Facism in the US and the assertion that a person cannot be both a believer and rational and the same time.

[@nomicucce987]

I live in the ME. He's kind of sugarcoating the region. It's not just Afghanistan. There's Iran, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc etc. Homosexuality is a crime, apostasy is punishable. Women have to wear hijab etc etc.

[@gosiachaaban2484]

I agree that we should be braver defending good values and stating that, yes, not all values are equal, because they are not.

[@safaroneall]

Great conversation!!! Thanks!

[@emilyb5278]

I totally agree with him.Out our foot down. No religion in politics. No Muslim or religious dogma

[@fds3415]

Very interesting conversation and it gives me a hope in our future of cultural relations. Refreshing to hear such patriotism for Britain.

[@tanyajackson622]

hope? you're very delusional. There is no hope.

[@johnradin1273]

Yes a very well informed discussion but I cannot share Ed's optimism.

[@fds3415]

@@tanyajackson622 why do you think there is no hope?

[@fds3415]

@@tanyajackson622 why do you think there is no hope?

[@rolandtours8404]

Is it possible to practice Islam as a devotional and confessional system without all-encompassing Shariah law? Mr. Husain and other Muslim liberals seem to think so. But millions of Muslims and their clergy disagree. Who are we dealing with in Britain, France, Germany, and America?

[@netsurfer3655]

There isn't a place on this entire planet where the presence of that religion doesn't spell problems of one sort or another.

[@MonoLucas123]

Those that want to practice the idiotic sharia law need to move back to israel or where ever they came from. You can not impose that pushing western values away

[@rotemg7330]

great conversation! loved it!

[@khurrumriaz8172]

I would advise to bring an British Islamic Scholar such as Abdul Hakim Murad who’s whole study and expertise are on Islam, not Ed Hussain who expertise are on Philosophy if you want to know the muslim perspective. Because through this interview you could understand pure Oriental ideas of Islam not once’s he quote anything from the Quran or Hadith to substantiate his claims, even for that matter clear generalisations of the Muslim community in Britain. You got to give it to Jordan Peterson with his balanced view for bringing on Mohammed Hijab on to his podcast, to give his view of what traditional Islam is, unlike Ed Hussain who sounds more like a non-muslim or the least a reformist.

[@almcdonald8676]

I think the bit that understandably wasn’t highlighted is that Islamism draws upon a strong tradition and explicit scriptural support

[@thebobbs6999]

Ed Husain comes across as a delightful, decent, graceful, generous-natured delusional fantasist when it comes to the likelihood of an Islamic reformation.

[@joemcbride3426]

Excellent conversation, I learned a lot.

[@mindyourownfuukingbiz6737]

What a Riveting interview..... Loved it and learned so much!!! 🤗

[@gordonlinton3555]

'Hello and welcome to triggernometry, I'm Francis Foster, I'm Constantine Kitten'... left my subtitles on lol

[@Hello_there_obi]

Thing is. Islam IS political. It’s a total solution. It deals with every aspect of your life. He’s just being an apologist. While I admire and applaud this man, he is still sugarcoating his faith.

[@ThisIsJamesL]

More taqiyya espoused than ever from this one

[@eliausi9696]

This interview is fantastic

[@n4049]

So good to hear this voice of reason. Thank you!

[@FUToob]

This is nothing more - this entire discussion and effort is simply, "Please accept my sugar coated interpretation before those that actually follow the damn ideology cut my head off for not". It is tiring. It's like a mathematician trying to teach someone math, but only using 2, 5, 7, 0 to try to do it. Sure, 2+5=7, but your never going to get far in finding the truth with that.

[@jzen1455]

"You're interpreting the ruthless violence in the Quran wrong.."

[@gollick]

Inbreeding is a large issue within the Muslim community especially the poorer elements in the UK Lord knows the impact that will have.

[@TimParker-Chambers]

This was a fantastic interview, absolutely blew the one with Bindel clear out of the water 👍👍👍

[@UREMODEL]

Absolutely fantastic interview!

[@dianadurham1017]

I agree, ket them go live somewhere else. He has absorbed and given articulation to values that are deep, and worthy of defending.

[@jzen1455]

There are many Islam nations Muslims can emigrate to. I wonder why most suck and why most are intolerant of immigration of fellow Muslims...

[@shomap8747]

Please don’t blame the fundamentalists, if anything, blame the fundamentals 🤥

[@hlwebb9877]

Really enjoyed this interview, enlightening, thank you.

[@aussiehardwood6196]

Ed Husain is one wonderful man. His words offer so much hope of a better more integrated West. I know all Muslims won't think like he does but he's a prime example of what's possible.