DEBATE: Yasir Qadhi vs. Mustafa Akyol | Islam and the State

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@yasin4591
@yasin4591 8 ай бұрын
I am turkish, and hearing him saying that it harms nobody that there is a big significant group of people in turkey that drink is just mind boggling, so many times in turkish news do you hear about abusive men that have a drinking problem. There is a reason Islam restricts us from consuming it.. He seems very insincere.
@aliozer85
@aliozer85 8 ай бұрын
Yes, domestic violence, traffic incidents etc.
@yasin4591
@yasin4591 8 ай бұрын
@@aliozer85Yes man, on the news every day
@Ibn_Abdulaziz
@Ibn_Abdulaziz 8 ай бұрын
American founding fathers said: _"God gave us life, liberty and pursuit of happiness."_ If an american said to them: _"O founding fathers, God gave me the liberty to take satan as a god, that's my interpretation of liberty and that's my pursuit of happiness."_ Would the founding fathers of america say: _"Yes, God gave us the liberty to take satan as a god."_ And thereby lie about God? So did your founders lie about God? Or would they restrict the unrestricted liberty and say: _"Liberty ends where it violates the Rights of the God who gave us life. No one is allowed to be taken as a god besides the God who gave us life."_ Thus banning all shirk (polytheism) like taking men, cows, idols, angels, celestial bodies etc as gods, and only Islam (Tawhid - Islamic Monotheism) would've been the only allowed religion in america. _Using the english kings_ If the english kings said: _"Hold up, wait a minute now. You invented this liberty ideology to sneak away from our authority by saying that it is God who gives liberty and not the english kings and parliament. So why does your liberty allow satan to be taken as a god but does not allow us the liberty to rule as lords over the thirteen colonies?"_ If you allow satan to be taken as a god and jews to rule, but not english kings to rule over you, then you had no right to fight their authority for a sugar tax or a tea tax when you clearly could care less about the Rights of the One who gave you life. Thus liberty was just a political tool at the time to sneak away from english rule and transfer it to shaytan and jews. Because if it was about truth, they would've made sure that violating God's Rights trump violating human rights like english tyrannical rule of imposing a sugar and tea tax. Meaning, they were more angry at having money spoiled than shaytan opening a gate for himself through the liberty ideology and violating God's Right. Either they'll have to say: _"Our liberty ideology is unrestricted and promotes civil rights for satan."_ And thus this whole conversation is really about wanting Muslims to compromise to shaytan and his spokesman, this zindiq, munafiq. Read Surah Al-Qalam, Surah Al-Kaafirun and Al-Israa' 17:73-75, Rasulullah ﷺ did not compromise and the Qur'an is intact. If you follow their desires after the knowledge has come to you, then you are a disbeliever like them. Or they'll have to restrict liberty and contradict themselves. Try my arguments against american liberty. They cannot answer it without being trapped. In order to not have their whims and desires spoiled, they will say that shaytan has civil rights and thus you ask them, do you promote civil rights for shaytan?
@erwinkunze4091
@erwinkunze4091 8 ай бұрын
The constitution of the United States doesn’t mention that God gave us life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, it says that man has the right to the above mentioned. You’re lying and liars can’t get into heaven. 😊
@erwinkunze4091
@erwinkunze4091 8 ай бұрын
You don’t have to believe in any religion to not drink alcohol, I know many atheist who have chosen not to drink alcohol, it’s a personal choice.
@TruRedCRIME
@TruRedCRIME 8 ай бұрын
I've lived in Britain and America and the freedoms there are dependent upon you accepting the status quo. There is no free speech just limited speech based on laws and values. Just ask Snowden or assange. As for the muslim world the entire region is controlled by western military and corporations. This is a simple reading of the geopolitics in that region.
@saracentiano
@saracentiano 8 ай бұрын
Are you talking from an Islamic paradigm? A.k.a from a Muslim mindset? Bcoz this is what all Muslims would agree to. Or are you an exception to the rule in the Western society?
@disdoncable
@disdoncable 8 ай бұрын
"As for the muslim world the entire region is controlled by western military and corporations." So Iran and its Ayatollah regime and Assad's Syria are controlled by Western military and corporations?
@gateronblackinksv2173
@gateronblackinksv2173 8 ай бұрын
Not supporting America or anything but your examples aren’t good. Snowden and Assange are both considered to have committed treason.
@mikemalzahn
@mikemalzahn 8 ай бұрын
your lack of understanding of what free speech is, is astounding. releasing state or even trade secrets are not protected free speech. lmao.
@JJ-xo3bc
@JJ-xo3bc 8 ай бұрын
@@mikemalzahnbut then why do people get cancelled for just stating their opinions on dating, women, and so on. Look I’m not a fan of the red pill space but how come they get cancelled all the time. It’s probably because they go against a status quo. It goes beyond just trade secrets. Some of those red pill guys aren’t even saying bad things and their still getting cancelled just cause they are friends with someone else.
@ElyasQuick1
@ElyasQuick1 8 ай бұрын
«And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers.» (Quran 5:44)
@Masszay
@Masszay 8 ай бұрын
Zaydi Shias and the Mutazila didn't claim to rule by other than what Allah revealed but their interpretation is different. There are four schools of fiqh and even Islamic law has varied through Islamic history. ISIS claims to judge by "what Allah has revealed", doesn't mean they are right.
@truthburied
@truthburied 8 ай бұрын
Exactly. Two kufars having an "intellectual" debate about something that's clear as day in the Quran and Sunnah.
@truthburied
@truthburied 8 ай бұрын
@@Masszay hukm (judgment) is from the right of Allah and from the foundaiton of Islam i.e. Tawheed. It's not a fiqh issue so it doesn't matter what scholar x or scholar y thinks. As for ISIS, keyword is that they claim. But at least they're better than the leaders of so-called Muslim lands who judge by man-made laws
@Masszay
@Masszay 8 ай бұрын
@@truthburied Your friend: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6HEo5tsqMmLq6ssi=INZfXGdfqZozGVpu
@mikemalzahn
@mikemalzahn 8 ай бұрын
what do you think of yq in 2015 saying Muslims should ally with the lgbt?
@atif50
@atif50 8 ай бұрын
Mustafa clearly is suffering from colonial disorder, he conveniently ignores the contradictions of the nations who are advocates of freedom within there own nations
@TaMiMS1
@TaMiMS1 8 ай бұрын
💯💯💯💯💯
@paulthomas281
@paulthomas281 8 ай бұрын
@atif50 Maybe Pakistanis are suffering from an Arabian and Mohammaden colonial disorder. Iranians don't suffer from Mohammaden colonial disorder. Persians are intelligent. They largely hate Islam.
@SunilYadav-th1wb
@SunilYadav-th1wb 8 ай бұрын
He is from Turkey, which was never occupied.
@markjapan4062
@markjapan4062 8 ай бұрын
ISLAM IS BLASPHAMY. ALLAH IS NOT GOD. ITS THE TITLE. YAHOVA IS GOD OF. CHRISTIANS. AND HEBREWS.
@johanliebert8652
@johanliebert8652 7 ай бұрын
He sounds like a jahil
@ElyasQuick1
@ElyasQuick1 8 ай бұрын
«It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should thereafter have any choice about their affair. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has certainly strayed into clear error.» (Quran 33:36)
@khaderlander2429
@khaderlander2429 8 ай бұрын
What Mustafa wants for people is arbitrary freedom despite what is chosen. Islam is about delay gratification and impulse control, it informs us the most important freedom is not freedom to indulge in our delights or be enslaved to our desires but freedom from enslavement to our desires. Our prophet said صلى الله عليه وسلم, This world is a prison for the believers and paradise for disbelievers. For those covering over the Truth they believe if their is no prospect beyond the grave then let's eat and drink and indulge what we delight in for tomorrow we shall die. For us we struggle with our desires and control our impulses and delay our gratification, for there is a prospect beyond the grave to indulge what we delight in paradise.
@laylaali5977
@laylaali5977 7 ай бұрын
It depends what you consider Islam given that overwhelming majority of the Muslim civil law is based scholars opinions,customs and unreliable Hadiths wether they are positive and negative
@Cousinbiddy1
@Cousinbiddy1 7 ай бұрын
Well religion should be separate from the state
@ULTRAYOLET
@ULTRAYOLET 5 ай бұрын
ON POINT
@TheMuslimApologist
@TheMuslimApologist 8 ай бұрын
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:27 *🌍 Different societies have different problems requiring varied solutions; one solution doesn't fit all.* 08:58 *💬 Americans may prefer separate religion and government, but other societies may desire governance reflecting their faith values.* 13:30 *🤝 Mustafa advocates for freedoms enjoyed by Muslims in non-Muslim lands to also exist in Muslim-majority countries.* 20:33 *📜 The majority of Muslim countries may not want certain liberal freedoms like public blasphemy or unrestricted immorality.* 23:57 *🌍 Discussion shifts to political values and ideas, such as democracy versus monarchical systems, which Muslims started debating in the late Ottoman Empire.* 24:52 *🤔 Criticism of blasphemy laws in Pakistan due to innocent people being unfairly targeted, highlighting the need for freedom of expression without state intervention.* 26:32 *⚖️ Advocating for religious freedom and against punishment for apostasy in Muslim-majority countries, emphasizing individual choice in matters of faith.* 28:19 *🧐 Discussion on the legal aspects of blasphemy laws in Pakistan, with differing views on their effectiveness and impact on public order.* 29:31 *🗣️ Highlighting hypocrisy in criticizing Muslim-majority countries for their laws while ignoring similar restrictions in Western nations, calling for consistency in addressing freedom of speech issues.* 31:36 *🇺🇸 Comparison of American and European standards of free speech, acknowledging differing cultural contexts but advocating for a principled stand on freedom of expression.* 34:11 *🔓 Emphasis on the importance of religious freedom and the rejection of religious coercion, urging respect for individual choices in matters of faith.* 36:42 *🌐 Questioning the assumption that democracy and freedom universally benefit all societies, citing examples of dictatorships in the Middle East with perceived benefits.* 40:09 *🏛️ Advocating for local solutions and cultural autonomy in determining political and moral standards, cautioning against imposing external interpretations on different societies.* 45:30 *📜 Yasir Qadhi discusses the evolution of Western laws regarding pornography and questions why Muslim countries must adhere to Western notions.* 49:06 *🏛️ Yasir Qadhi suggests reevaluating the assumption that dictatorships hinder societal flourishing, citing examples like Iraq and Libya during the 60s-80s.* 52:37 *🤔 Yasir Qadhi proposes the idea of a modern caliphate that focuses on rallying for Islamic causes globally rather than governing a specific territory.* 01:03:34 *💼 Yasir Qadhi argues for a pragmatic approach in governance, balancing personal piety with public order and morality, citing the example of alcohol prohibition in the United States.* 01:07:46 *🍷 Mustafa Akyol and Yasir Qadhi discuss the regulation of alcohol in Muslim societies, advocating for individual choice and minimal government intervention.* 01:11:12 *💬 Common ground is found in caution against a coercive theological state while differing in the level of religious influence in politics.* 01:13:19 *🌍 Mustafa Akyol emphasizes the importance of democratic processes and respecting religious freedom in Muslim-majority countries, urging against legislating religious laws against public sentiment.*
@OladejiIbilade
@OladejiIbilade 7 ай бұрын
This has to be one of the most informative debates I’ve had the pleasure of learning from
@SabreenSyeed
@SabreenSyeed 8 ай бұрын
Iqbal explained it in one line: "Ho siyasat deen se juda tou reh jaati hai chengezi" (If politics is separated from religion then all that remains is the babarism of Chegiz Khan.) Meaning religion acts as a moral force. But in todays world the distorted forms of Islam that Salafism and the Deobandi School adhere to have created nothing less than barbaric theocracies. However in their oppression and barbarism they are far far far less than the "liberal democratic" US.
@disdoncable
@disdoncable 8 ай бұрын
"However in their oppression and barbarism they are far far far less than the "liberal democratic" US." And yet all the Muslims who agree with you will flock to the US en masse to want to settle there and the ones who're already there just won't leave this so-called "far far far" greater "oppressive and barbaric" place called the US.
@baybars3138
@baybars3138 8 ай бұрын
Iqbal was nonsense
@BABA-ORUC1761
@BABA-ORUC1761 8 ай бұрын
Exceptional explanation sister❤.
@baybars3138
@baybars3138 8 ай бұрын
@@BABA-ORUC1761 Iqbal was overrated
@adeebfeeroz3434
@adeebfeeroz3434 8 ай бұрын
wht type of Muslim politics do you think combines with politics
@Livinginthepresentmoment07
@Livinginthepresentmoment07 8 ай бұрын
Mustafa akyol - We will free you. Muslims - from what? 🤔
@ElyasQuick1
@ElyasQuick1 8 ай бұрын
From Tawheed and Sunnah. He is an enemy of Islam.
@ElyasQuick1
@ElyasQuick1 8 ай бұрын
@@Masszay And he was healed by Allah ﷻ, yes. Finish the story. Don’t take it out of context.
@Masszay
@Masszay 8 ай бұрын
@@ElyasQuick1 Or [why is not] a treasure presented to him [from heaven], or does he [not] have a garden from which he eats?" And the evil-doers [zalimun] say, "You follow not but a man affected by magic." - Surah Al-Furqan 25:8 Just because something is in Bukhari, doesn't mean it's true. There are also hadiths with numerical contradictions. That is why the Quran is unique.
@Masszay
@Masszay 8 ай бұрын
@@ElyasQuick1 The following hadith have 4 different variations that contradict each other and hadith are inherently out of context, unlike the Quran. Narrated Abu Huraira: (The Prophet) Solomon son of (the Prophet) David said, "Tonight I will go around (i.e. have sexual relations with) *100* women (my wives) every one of whom will deliver a male child who will fight in Allah's Cause." On that an Angel said to him, "Say: 'If Allah will.' " But Solomon did not say it and forgot to say it. Then he had sexual relations with them but none of them delivered any child except one who delivered a half person. The Prophet () said, "If Solomon had said: 'If Allah will,' Allah would have fulfilled his (above) desire and that saying would have made him more hopeful." (Sahih al-Bukhari 5242) Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet () said, "Solomon (the son of) David said, 'Tonight I will sleep with *70* ladies each of whom will conceive a child who will be a knight fighting for "Allah's Cause.' His companion said, 'If Allah will.' But Solomon did not say so; therefore, none of those women got pregnant except one who gave birth to a half child." The Prophet () further said, "If the Prophet () Solomon had said it (i.e. 'If Allah will') he would have begotten children who would have fought in Allah's Cause." Shuaib and Ibn Abi Az-Zinad said, "Ninety (women) is more correct (than seventy). Sahih al-Bukhari 3424) Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Messenger () said, "(The Prophet) Solomon once said, 'Tonight I will sleep with *90* women, each of whom will bring forth a (would-be) cavalier who will fight in Allah's Cause." On this, his companion said to him, "Say: Allah willing!" But he did not say Allah willing. Solomon then slept with all the women, but none of them became pregnant but one woman who later delivered a halfman. By Him in Whose Hand Muhammad's soul is, if he (Solomon) had said, 'Allah willing' (all his wives would have brought forth boys) and they would have fought in Allah's Cause as cavaliers. " Sahih al-Bukhari 6639) Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Prophet Solomon who had *60* wives, once said, "Tonight I will have sexual relation (sleep) with all my wives so that each of them will become pregnant and bring forth (a boy who will grow into) a cavalier and will fight in Allah's Cause." So, he slept with his wives and none of them (conceived and) delivered (a child) except one who brought a half (body) boy (deformed). Allah's Prophet said, "If Solomon had said; 'If Allah Will,' then each of those women would have delivered a (would-be) cavalier to fight in Allah's Cause." (See Shahih Bukhari Hadith No. 74 A, Vol. 4)
@ElyasQuick1
@ElyasQuick1 8 ай бұрын
@@Masszay Bukhari is 100% authentic. Things you brought are not contradictions. People are not obligated to remember every little detail. Its like asking your parents about when you finished school. They might give different numbers because they don’t know exact number and just giving you approximate estimation.
@DarioHaruni
@DarioHaruni 8 ай бұрын
I've recently been reading Shiite literature. I've noticed that there are hundreds of transmissions where the Prophet or one of the 12 Imams (especially Imam Jafaar as-Sadiq), get questioned by atheists (zanadiqa) about the very existence of God. And in all these transmissions, the format is similar. Atheist asks a "difficult question that is meant to shake the foundations of monotheism" - then the Imam answers the question with a very wise and logical answer - then the atheist accepts Islam. This happens also in the literature about Imam Abu Hanifah. Now, the question arises. If there were so many atheists running around at that time, and the scholars did not asked for them to "convert or get executed", nor did they report them to the authorities, this means that there was a clear difference between "private disbelief, doubt, atheism, heresy" and "public disbelief, doubt, atheism, heresy". So the laws of Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shiite Iran are nothing like the laws of the Sunni and Shia scholars who founded the schools of thought. In an ideal Islamic state, we don't need to "moderate" our religion. Our religion is already moderate; it has been so since its inception. Freedom of belief and freedom of disbelief are part of the original "Islamic Constitution". It is only in modern times when Wahabism, Ikhwanism and Khomeinism are invented, that we start to interpret the Islamic State as a horrible Orwellian theocracy where the state controls your innermost thoughts and your private life. Shia-Jaafari Reference: thaqalayn.net/hadith/1/3/1/1 Sunni-Hanafi Reference: www.haqislam.org/imam-abu-hanifah-and-the-atheist/
@everythingandroidois
@everythingandroidois 8 ай бұрын
On the other hand we have Imam Abu Hanifa with proper islamic jurisprudence and chains of narrators and proper backing by scholars throughout history. On this story, there is no chain of narrators and a lot of scholars even call this as unreliable, which you forgot to mention. But people still share it for its benefit. I highly suggest you to view Daniel Haqiqatjou on religious freedom critiquing Hamza Yusuf. It might be insightful. He also speaks on islamic law. Have a good one.
@abdalehassan4598
@abdalehassan4598 8 ай бұрын
I love how Sh Yasir puts thinks puts things into perspective!.
@ArseneLupin786
@ArseneLupin786 8 ай бұрын
Mustafa Akyol literally doesn’t bring any academia to his debate and is purely acting as a victim of his own lack of intelligence. Not sure why would anyone platform him.
@FahimAhmed-xj9lq
@FahimAhmed-xj9lq 8 ай бұрын
You can disagree with him, but it's wrong and frankly reactionary to deny his academic experience. The intro clearly stated that he is a fellow of Cato Institute. He has a masters degree and has written papers and books. Maybe he didn't have the best arguments here, but I think it was absolutely fine to platform him. I still agree that YQ outclasses him in almost every area discussed in this debate though.
@shaplaflower
@shaplaflower 8 ай бұрын
If Atkol wasn’t worth talking to why would Sh Yasir agree to have this online discussion with him? You can disagree with someone but there is no need to be disrespectful. The man is clearly intelligent and very articulate.
@daftyute
@daftyute 8 ай бұрын
Come on bro, let's not be dishonest, I like Dr. Yasir Qadhi, but let's not say that Mustafa lacks intelligence, that is just not true, he's an educated person and it's clear from his ability to be able to bring up points and give counterpoints in the debate. Let's just be positive and appreciate the debate
@KnightofPower
@KnightofPower 5 ай бұрын
@@FahimAhmed-xj9lqSecular liberal credentials aren’t relevant to Muslims. I would expect Muslims to take a Christian seminarian about as seriously as Mustafa Akyol as an expert on Islam. We need to stop accepting the Academy as a neutral institution without an agenda or ideology of its own. The secular liberal paradigm has epistemic assumptions that can and should be challenged, and it’s advocates shouldn’t be assumed to be Muslims or acting from the Islamic paradigm.
@arefinkamal7654
@arefinkamal7654 8 ай бұрын
Akyol’s standard is basically secularism. Did the Prophet and his Companions suffer for the sake of secularism or to make Islam supreme over all other systems?
@jammooly8917
@jammooly8917 8 ай бұрын
The Prophet Muhammad didn’t kill apostates nor harm blasphemers and allowed people to freely practice their faith.
@everythingandroidois
@everythingandroidois 8 ай бұрын
​@@jammooly8917Yup, I knew it. Follower of Javad Hashimi, but you know deep down when looking at the history and theological evidence, that is not the case. Just check Javads debate with Daniel H or you can read a work like Bidayatul Mujatahid or you can simply look at historical evidence, but if you want to disregard all that and twist the Quran to your liking then do so I guess.
@mnafer697
@mnafer697 8 ай бұрын
Islam made it Supreme
@jammooly8917
@jammooly8917 8 ай бұрын
@@everythingandroidois I am not a follower of Javad Hashmi, I don't know where you'd get such an idea. I'm lookin at scripture itself and factually correct history. There's also a difference between Islamic civilization and scripture. The Quran doesn't say to kill apostates and instead advocates the opposite which is too allow people to disbelieve freely. And many scholars believed the apostates should not be killed because of their disbelief but because it amounted to during their time as political treason. This is explained further in depth in "The Study Quran" commentary of Q. 2:217. That's why for example, as evidenced by history, Ali, the Prophet's cousin, and many other scholars didn't punish women that apostatized as their apostasy posed no threat politically nor was it destabilizing. The conclusion is that the punishment of apostasy is a later development and addition that came after the Quran's revelation and Prophet Muhammad's lifetime. So to say it is Islamic or from God is false.
@jammooly8917
@jammooly8917 8 ай бұрын
@@everythingandroidois Also if you follow DH for your Islam, then all I can do is advise you not to and pray for you.
@epic011
@epic011 8 ай бұрын
Dr. Yasir Qadhi is such a great intellectual. His wisdom is Just so deep for understanding minds. He has deep and clear understanding of Islam and also the modern world 🌎. Blessed to be close to him and listen. Thank Allah.
@FugugBusiness
@FugugBusiness 7 ай бұрын
I really appreciate him. Let me to be close to him please.
@MohamedAl-Dobaishi
@MohamedAl-Dobaishi 5 ай бұрын
He’s a liberal reformist, Allah yihdeena jamee3an
@theintuitivetruth
@theintuitivetruth 27 күн бұрын
YQ is a open liberal "reformist". (Actually Deformist)
@hqiyas
@hqiyas 8 ай бұрын
The debate ended in the beginning: One solution doesn't fit all. The rest was not debate. Sheikh gave Dawah to Mustafa Akyol. Sheikh, we want to see opponents at your level.
@mikemalzahn
@mikemalzahn 8 ай бұрын
i thought islam is supposed to be the one solution fits all mandkind?
@hqiyas
@hqiyas 8 ай бұрын
You can't compare Islam and Democracy directly. Islam is between servant and Allah, and democracy is between State and citizen.
@mikemalzahn
@mikemalzahn 8 ай бұрын
@@hqiyas ok. which do you prefer?
@tehnoobclone
@tehnoobclone 8 ай бұрын
@@mikemalzahn much like a healthy diet is the best for everyone but not everyone will want/have a healthy diet, Islam is the one solution to fit all mankind but all of mankind will not fit with Islam. Which is the the angle I understand Yasir Qadhi is making.
@mikemalzahn
@mikemalzahn 8 ай бұрын
@@tehnoobclone yes, i very much do not want to eat what you are trying to force me to eat. lol. so you are against the idea of universal rights for individuals? the right to freedom of speech and freedom of religion? do you agree with the madhabs that say [public] apostates should be put to death? what did you think of the blasphemy cases in Indonesia? the ahok case? the woman who asked for the mosque near her house to turn down their loudspeaker? speaking of food, the tik tok woman who ate some crispy pork and said bishallah?
@maxCarnag3
@maxCarnag3 8 ай бұрын
Salam. The most calm and at the same time dynamic debate I've ever seen. Kudos to both the speakers. JazakAllah kher. Fee Amaan Allah.
@AgainstTheGrain1991
@AgainstTheGrain1991 2 ай бұрын
Looking at the comments here is very interesting. It’s obvious that the religious Muslims will make the argument that the Islamic system/way of life is perfectly fine, however I think what’s important to note is that the freedom to practice that without the indoctrination influencing the people from the time they are born is something that doesn’t seem to be considered here. I doubt the average person from a logical standpoint will choose the constraints of sharia law over the free will to practice what you like. It’s the difference between man’s law and Gods natural gift of free will. Let those who practice religion have there community and those who don’t have theirs and not be punished for not abiding by 7th century Arab culture/ Islam.
@ص-ت7ض
@ص-ت7ض Ай бұрын
Correct. And those ‘religious’ Muslims are actually very heavily influenced by culture. There are endless examples of their bigotry & some beliefs that 100% come from culture and are not found in the Quran or Hadith.
@ibrahimmohammedibrahim9273
@ibrahimmohammedibrahim9273 Ай бұрын
Have you study the islamic history and civilization..? Arab countries didn't come majority Muslims until 14th-15th centuries
@Kali4Action
@Kali4Action 5 ай бұрын
Alhamdulillah that we have scholars such as Shaykh Yasir Qadhi who can speak with objective knowledge of the inequities of the Western Civilization and bring the principle qualities of the instructions to mankind from the Quran and Sunnah to explain the utter lunacy of the Western civilizations recorded wordlview on human development.
@epbrothers887
@epbrothers887 8 ай бұрын
I have a question on Islamic political teaching: given that 1)the characterizing political institution of Islam is the Chaliphate; and 2) the great majority of Muslims throughout the history lived outside any chaliphate: How the doctrine manage to reconcile these two things? Have clear criteria been developed to establish whether a political regime is legitimate or not? I mean: only considering the Middle East, almost 800 years have passed since the fall of the Chaliphate (100 if you recognise the Ottoman's). Over the course of these years, an incredible variety of political systems have been implemented in the Islamic world: lay authoritarian regimes, "democratic" republics, monarchies, etc. What has been (and what is) the majority opinion of the religious authorities on this topic? I'm interested in the traditionally-founded doctrine, not the fundamentalist nor the liberal one. For example: today a Tunisian man (or an Iraqi, or a Turkish) who also wants to be a good muslim, should he consider his country's political regime legitimate or not? I suppose the first one, so I'd like to know on what basis scholars and religious authorities do affirm this (or if maybe their consider the actual regimes legitimate but still less than the caliphate)
@SerTempleton
@SerTempleton 7 ай бұрын
Governance in a Islam is deemed an essential fabric of the human condition, to illustrate this I would like to highlight two examples. Islam mandates that there should be a leader in any group of 3 people another example is the concept of family which in Islam is considered a mini state with leadership, rights, responsibilities and laws. So to answer your question, political regimes in Islam are all legitimate by the mere fact of their existence and are granted the full rights of sovereignty offered by Islamic laws regardless of their political system (democratic, authoritarian, monarchy, theocracy, tribal etc) and policies. There are no classifications for their legitimacy except that they are muslim. So to answer your question all muslim rulers have absolute legitimacy in Islam. This is because leadership is paramount in islam as touched upon at the beginning. This is enshrined in Islamic Tawhid (creed) and is inviolable. There is a rich body of legislation surrounding this issue but to highlight few of these, Muslim rulers are to be obeyed (in matters that don't go against Islam) even if they are violating your rights, rebellion against a muslim leader is forbidden, talking bad and insulting leaders are prohibited and they should be counseled privately, if the leader fails to uphold their responsibilities the subject can only leave it to GOD etc. TLDR; according to Islamic law, all muslim political regimes and all muslim authorities (regardless of level of sovereignty) are legitimate as long as they are deemed muslim regardless of their policies, popularity and political systems.
@briancordero7674
@briancordero7674 7 ай бұрын
​@SerTempleton Islam has a built-in system for governance. Firstly the Prophet mandated the Quraysh tribe to be the rulers and this is why the suggestion of there being a ruler from the Ansar was rejected. Secondly, the sovereignty for Islam is unequivocally the Sharia and whoever rules, judges or legislates by other than the Quran and Sunna is by definition a Kafir .Thirdly, the ruler is to be determined by the Ahl Hall wa Aqd which is based on Sharia principles and not secular or any religious system other than Islam. Fourthly the Prophet prophesied kings would come after the Khalifate and then the Khalifate which follows the method of the Prophet would return. The Muslim Umma is in a weak state and divided as prophesied in the Hadiths. The Muslim nation has become weak as the scum of the sea and have embraced a defeatist mentality by abandoning the Sunna and are following the Kuffar into the lizard hole.
@briancordero7674
@briancordero7674 7 ай бұрын
Islam enjoins the sovereignty of the Sharia by the Khalifate. KZbin deleted my entailed explanation. The classic scholars all agree upon the obligation of the Khalifate and the sovereignty of the Sharia. It is only the modernist conformist so called scholars who conjured up, the separated secular Islamic nation states which is a contradiction in terms.
@briancordero7674
@briancordero7674 7 ай бұрын
​​@@SerTempletonIslam has its own built in system of governance based on the sovereignty of the Sharia by the Khalifate which is a staunch opposite position to Secularism.
@briancordero7674
@briancordero7674 7 ай бұрын
​@@SerTempletonIslam
@nasirrathr2953
@nasirrathr2953 8 ай бұрын
A wonderful conversation.Conversations like this should be held more often.Salutes to both the speakers.
@girlfrombookland
@girlfrombookland 8 ай бұрын
Respectfully done the debate 👏
@mohamednazirsalem1037
@mohamednazirsalem1037 7 ай бұрын
It's important to note that dictatorships can often lead to civil war. This is because, without freedom and the ability for people to choose their leaders freely, there's a lot of tension. This tension can build up like a pressure cooker, ready to explode at any moment. This is exactly what happened in countries like Czechoslovakia, Iraq, Syria, and Libya. So, it's clear that dictatorships can create the conditions for civil war down the line.
@KeskinCookin
@KeskinCookin 4 ай бұрын
Bravo Mustafa Akyol!
@ali_nurudeen
@ali_nurudeen 7 ай бұрын
I like the way both the debaters are so respective of each other.... this is a healthy interchanging of ideas I stand with Sheikh Yasir
@rashadabdulazeem5387
@rashadabdulazeem5387 8 ай бұрын
Good debate but Shaykh Qadhi was clearly in command of the discourse. In nutshell we should uphold the Shariah but we also understand there in compulsion in religion. US democracy is not a one size fits all and in fact can be dangerous.
@mikemalzahn
@mikemalzahn 8 ай бұрын
"there in compulsion in religion" so should apostates be put to death? can non Muslims try to spread their religion?
@drsgme69
@drsgme69 7 ай бұрын
Sharia law us barbaric
@katiawojcik962
@katiawojcik962 5 ай бұрын
​@@mikemalzahn depends on where you live now doesnt it. In an islamic country you cannot proselytize, and can apostates be put to death yes they can, will they, depends on the location and circumstances. If you don't like it, dont live there.
@mikemalzahn
@mikemalzahn 5 ай бұрын
@@katiawojcik962 lol. so what if a christian nation said muslims can't do dawah? "If you don't like it, dont live there." so why are there Muslims in the west complaining about our laws?
@katiawojcik962
@katiawojcik962 5 ай бұрын
@@mikemalzahn then we dont do dawah there or we leave...
@daftyute
@daftyute 8 ай бұрын
Amazing video, I love discussion and I love when debates are more like a discussion than a debate, so I appreciate this style of debate. I personally find the debate is academically stimulating, there are many good points and good counterpoints being brought up in the debate, and nothing but respect to the both of them. I think they agree on a lot of issues more than they disagree, and I appreciate Dr. Yasir Qadhi's pragmatic approach to things by looking at things practically instead of theoretically in this particular topic. I also appreciate Mustafa Akyol's thoughts on the issue even though I slightly disagree on 1 or 2 of them, they're still reasonable and well-thought-out points. Thanks for the vid.
@dorinazhupa3911
@dorinazhupa3911 7 ай бұрын
Yasir is the clear example on how to give an answer without giving an answer, making general statements of whataboubtim. he thanks Allah for the freedoms in America when he should thank the founding fathers for actually being visionary about it. He doesn't want these freedoms for other though
@Mr.Jasaw13
@Mr.Jasaw13 7 ай бұрын
How does one even have such a take away from this dialogue boggles my mind.. you are silly
@MohamedShou
@MohamedShou 8 ай бұрын
I respect both Yasir Qadhi and Mustafa Akyol may Allah have mercy on both of them. I can’t wait to watch this after I have my iftar 😁
@maanso6583
@maanso6583 8 ай бұрын
It would benefit you more brother if you went to Taraweeh. Don’t waste time during this month my brother
@yazenbuklau
@yazenbuklau 8 ай бұрын
Loved this convo. Helpful to hear these two perspectives juxtaposed
@Azukos
@Azukos 8 ай бұрын
Man, when Sheikh Yasir Qadhi talks about an Islamic democracy and a government's hopes, trends and even encouragement of morality, I can't help but think of our poor brother Imran Khan, great guy Masha 'Allah, who is languishing in prison.
@Nedwin
@Nedwin 4 ай бұрын
Thank you Acton Institute for hosting this discussion between the two today's Islamic scholars and thinkers; Yashir Qadhi and Mustafa Akyol. It is important in today's situation doing this topic's interview as many people are trying to separate religion and human rights. I personally got a lot of insights here. Thank you!
@ameena1147
@ameena1147 8 ай бұрын
I hope Yasir Qadhi Saab is training his kids, we need more versions of him, what an amazingly articulate speaker mA
@ImranParray0x01
@ImranParray0x01 5 ай бұрын
The problem with current time: anyone with a youtube channel, a mic, and a black suite is treated as an intellect.
@benefitfirst1201
@benefitfirst1201 2 ай бұрын
Maybe because they are? You definitely don’t know how much degrees these men have.
@desertapparels
@desertapparels 8 ай бұрын
The fitrah can be shaded, but religion clears it up. He uses the fitrah to explain away the things he doesnt like, and does not have any backing for these so called universal human values.
@shaksta4
@shaksta4 8 ай бұрын
Never clicked on a video so fast. Our sheikh in a debate? What a treat!
@mikemalzahn
@mikemalzahn 8 ай бұрын
so do you hate free speech like yq?
@vol94
@vol94 7 ай бұрын
​@user-on8jx3qr8w are you an idiot? It's not about free speech, it's about freedom. If a society wants free speech, it's their right to have it. But if the vast majority of a society doesn't want absolute unregulated free speech, then by imposing it on them you are being authoritarian and subverting their freedom. You cannot force free speech, otherwise schools should allow kids to say vulgar explicit language regarding teachers. No one believes in absolute free speech, otherwise you'd have no problem with someone cursing your parents. Free speech is about cultivating intellectual discussion, and that is what we want. If it is used to insult and blaspheme, that is a waste of free speech and goes against intellectual discourse
@vol94
@vol94 7 ай бұрын
​@@mikemalzahnare you an idiot? It's not about free speech, it's about freedom. If a people want free speech, it's their democratic right to have it. But if the vast majority do not want absolute free speech, you cannot force it on them. Forcing people to accept you preferred model of speech is to deprive them of their democratic and general societal freedom. If there should be no restrictions on speech then I should be nothing wrong with someone cursing your parents, and kids in school should be allowed to curse their teachers with explicit, vulgar words. There wouldn't even be a moderator in this debate if both debaters didn't agree that the stream of conversation has to be controlled and regulated to some extent. Free speech should be used to cultivate intellectual discourse. If it is used to insult and blaspheme, that is a waste of free speech that goes against intellectual discourse and serves no one.
@vol94
@vol94 7 ай бұрын
​@user-on8jx3qr8w ​are you fr? It's not about free speech, it's about freedom. If a people want free speech, it's their democratic right to have it. But if the vast majority do not want absolute free speech, you cannot force it on them. Forcing people to accept you preferred model of speech is to deprive them of their democratic and general societal freedom. If there should be no restrictions on speech then I should be nothing wrong with someone cursing your parents, and kids in school should be allowed to curse their teachers with explicit, vulgar words. There wouldn't even be a moderator in this debate if both debaters didn't agree that the stream of conversation has to be controlled and regulated to some extent. Free speech should be used to cultivate intellectual discourse. If it is used to insult and blaspheme, that is a waste of free speech that goes against intellectual discourse and serves no one.
@mikemalzahn
@mikemalzahn 7 ай бұрын
@@vol94 clearly you are confused. free speech doesn't apply to kids in schools. so you are the judge of what is blasphemy and what is intellectual discourse? would you outlaw the burning of the flag? the bible? the koran? no insulting the khalifa? did you support the afghans who beat the woman to death for allegedly tearing pages out of a koran? how about the ahok case in Indonesia? or the woman they imprisoned for asking the mosque near her house to turn down their loudspeaker? is saying bismillah before eating pork insulting to you?
@jakelong6860
@jakelong6860 7 ай бұрын
Government and Religion will always be separate.
@aqoonqaate8109
@aqoonqaate8109 8 ай бұрын
I dare you to invite ' DANIEL HAQIQATJOU " in this space 😂😂😂
@everythingandroidois
@everythingandroidois 8 ай бұрын
True, he would dominate in this mashaAllah.
@mikemalzahn
@mikemalzahn 8 ай бұрын
to debate who? this mustafa guy? that would be interesting. but dan gets a little emotional. lol.
@KGF-zf2qj
@KGF-zf2qj 7 ай бұрын
@@everythingandroidois Based Based Based Brozer Danial is Based Mahashallah Subhanllah sigma Daniel will domnate dis guy Ho Ho HA Ha Daniel gorilla Based
@rustacean10
@rustacean10 7 ай бұрын
😂
@নাস্তিক্যবাদেরঅসারতা
@নাস্তিক্যবাদেরঅসারতা 6 ай бұрын
Daniel would just call a spade a spade...
@mahmudrahman9855
@mahmudrahman9855 8 ай бұрын
very informative, thank you for having this discussion
@skywalkersohan8656
@skywalkersohan8656 8 ай бұрын
God's command > Individual sovereignty.
@muhammedjbah5832
@muhammedjbah5832 8 ай бұрын
Good dialogue. I believe society have a collective responsibility to encourage goodness and suppress evil. Self centeredness and worship of individual desires is the reason why past nations were destroyed for good.
@012345family
@012345family 8 ай бұрын
If Mustafa’s nature was competitive and wasn’t so polite he would have pushed back at Yasir Qadi post modernist relativity that allows each people their own morality. Yasir Qadi had no reply to his point of Indian Hinduvata deeming it appropriate to persecute Muslims. Musafar mentioned the Uyghurs. Russia insists that it is western imperialism sticking their noses where they have no business and they are perfectly justified in doing what they do. There is no remorse from their side they feel justified by their own morality. Forcing people to abandon non Chinese culture is just what they do. According to Yasir the west has no basis to make any moral judgement on that
@ads1340
@ads1340 8 ай бұрын
He’s right they don’t have a moral basis to say anything about morality. Especially after supporting an ongoing genocide.
@johannatawfik7140
@johannatawfik7140 5 күн бұрын
As a woman and Muslim I advocate for the right of women right to study, to speak in the streets. How can we justify this type of oppression?
@MustafaTekin-y2x
@MustafaTekin-y2x 4 ай бұрын
In an islamic politics, justice, freedom discussion mentioning the Turkey and but not mentioning the atrocities committed against Hizmet Movement is something that I can’t explain in words.
@UkieCanuckPatriot
@UkieCanuckPatriot 4 ай бұрын
Pointing out that the west doesn’t have pure free speech doesn’t mean the Islamic world shouldn’t be criticized for the same issue. That’s “whataboutary”.
@ahsanshariq9875
@ahsanshariq9875 5 ай бұрын
Excellent debate, thank you for facilitating these two.
@faizanpaulan1983
@faizanpaulan1983 7 ай бұрын
I really love the way ho you make people understand sheikh Yasir qadi
@theperfectionist
@theperfectionist 5 ай бұрын
At 45:09 Yasir Qadhi claims that prostitution is illegal in the U.S. due to a vestige of Christian morality and that such prohibition has nothing to do with capitalism. He's wrong. Prostitution is illegal in the U.S. because it cannot be taxed, and therefore, it doesn't benefit the treasury. At 1:04:30 Yasir Qadhi claims that the prohibition of alcohol was established via the 19th amendment. Actually, that was the 18th amendment. It was in effect for 14 years-not 5-6 years like he claimed-from 1919 to 1933.
@amerbinjarrah4427
@amerbinjarrah4427 8 ай бұрын
although i agree more with dr qadhi. mr mustafa brought new ideas i never thought about to the table. amazing debate. hope the institute hosts more of these thought provoking debates
@mikemalzahn
@mikemalzahn 8 ай бұрын
"mr mustafa brought new ideas i never thought about to the table." like what? not killing people for leaving a religion? freedom of non Islamic religions to proselytize?
@turboparadise
@turboparadise 8 ай бұрын
I love and appreciate the sheikh, almost finished his new book on seerah with my group but the his angry fanboys are doing him justice.
@Sam66519
@Sam66519 4 ай бұрын
People in the comments dont understand mustafa akyol. He does islam justice by saying it is not violent and terroristic as people make it out ti be
@ص-ت7ض
@ص-ت7ض Ай бұрын
Yes, May allah bless him. He is also completely correct. Islam is a religion of mercy, love, freedom and that is backed by the Quran and sunnah.
@jediTempleGuard
@jediTempleGuard 8 ай бұрын
I won't prefer one to another. Both do have a point. Thanks for this wonderful talk.
@mikemalzahn
@mikemalzahn 8 ай бұрын
are you a muslim? if so, do you agree with ibn taimayya's fatwa that the druze should be killed as apostates?
@ص-ت7ض
@ص-ت7ض Ай бұрын
I agree with brother mustafa akyol. Although I disagree with some of his beliefs, but he is advocating for the moral position. All the people saying he’s suffering from “colonial ideas”, let’s be very honest, There are many people from Muslim majority nations who want to copy Europeans and their ideals, but liberalism is not a western or European idea. Liberals-conservatives exist in every culture. And you can perfectly be Muslim regardless of either one you are.
@theintuitivetruth
@theintuitivetruth 27 күн бұрын
Liberalism is indeed western idea. Nontheless Quran states clearly "Whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed indeed he who is disbelieber". There is no difference in opinion that Islam cannot be secularised. Secularised Islam is not an Islam. Islam would tolerate existance of kufr in the world, but it does not tolerate Dominion of the Kufr. Seerah of prophet ﷺ and Ahadees are very clear on this matter. "Fight them until they pay the tribute with their hand", several other ahadees indicates that there will always be a group of Muslims will continue fighting with kufr untill they day of judgement. Other ahadees points out that there will be a time when learned people will start saying there is no more fighting, and this would be the time when fighting with kufr is best, there will be curse of Allah, curse of angels and cure of believers upon those who megates it. These are the narration from hadees. What is your point muslim will fight for no reason, obviously it will be for political system, that subbordinating the kufr under islamic system "fight until they pay the tribute by their hand" Now you can negate certain groups of today, fkr them being are being dubious and comitting reckless acts of violence, at random places just for scaring common people, rather actual military combat. But you cannot negate the fact there there is a islamic system an essential of islam (actualizing islam through policial establishment), for which the fight will continue against kufr until the day of judgement.
@ص-ت7ض
@ص-ت7ض 26 күн бұрын
@@theintuitivetruth So liberalism is a western idea but your values are not western? You do know the British would implement conservative laws in Muslim lands, that still exist to this day? Why don’t you go tell conservative Muslims that they have western ideals.
@Manalftma
@Manalftma 5 ай бұрын
Embarrassing and frankly demoralizing to watch YQ not even attempt to defend Islamic sharia. Can’t believe people look upto him as a religious scholar. Islam is clear, Islam is firm and Islam is the right path.
@Manalftma
@Manalftma 5 ай бұрын
Yq basically arguing Muslim states should pick the “soft” laws to enforce. Akyol saying there should be no enforcement whatsoever. What a joke! No wonder the west is becoming more corrupt each day.
@benmiloudafaf5904
@benmiloudafaf5904 7 ай бұрын
What a great decent debate ❤❤ I think Qadhi was much more consistent in his arguments than Akyol. The former’s main argument was that the role of religion (Islam) in political order does not, by any means, undercut the ideals of healthy freedom and liberty; western ideals of liberty and freedom cannot be applied on all the peoples of the world, let the indigenous people decide what is best for their lands, whether they want religion’s intervention in politics or not must remain at their discretion. Akyol, in my opinion, could not effectively defend what he was arguing for, i.e., the dismissal of religion (Islam) from the political order and the implementation of liberal democracies throughout the (Muslim) world.
@imamamian6922
@imamamian6922 8 ай бұрын
Very enlightening! There is no winning in this argument. I respectfully disagree with Sheikh Yasir Qadhi on one point though (I love Sheikh Yasir Qadhi and all that he has done for English-speaking Muslims. May Allah SWT reward him); Nathan might not have a say in Pakistani policy-making but all the ethnic Pakistanis or educated Pakistanis who have lived in the world outside Pakistan, HAVE A DUTY to think of ways how to improve what goes in Pakistan.
@maur_sault750
@maur_sault750 8 ай бұрын
Yasir qadhi I thank Allah for religious freedom for where I live and I think Allah for not giving the religious freedom in Muslim countries. Hypocrisy at its finest and also the amount of false equivalences and strawmans is utterly embarrassing. I expected more from Qadhi and now I understand why he does not debate because ultimately when scrutinised his first thing to do is to criticise the west where he lives and makes his money from.
@Tariq-oj5zz
@Tariq-oj5zz 7 ай бұрын
A brilliant professor of Middle East Studies, Bernard Lewis, said that the Islamic legal tradition was humane, limited, and responsible. That is definitely true. However, if we exist in a modern world we must have a modern government, not necessarily as openly tolerant of lgbtq+ expression in public or even democracy itself. There is a lot of room for a religiously neutral councilor government (based on shura) it could use multiple branches of government like we have in America, but with many more. The chamber of commerce and the worker's unions would each have a branch, plus one for experts, one for the military, one for the people, one for the rich, one for the powerful, etc. all with line item veto power to maintain stability. Such a system, no matter if formed along the lines of a council of the heads of those branches, a republic, or a tradition-based monarchy that is "secular" could create superpowers like a Caliphate that is as dedicated to Sharia as the UK is to Christian law, which means you're basically free to believe anything, just not worshipping the Shaytan or demons or practice witchcraft . In my opinion monarchy is best for wealth over time, but it'll be different in every region. The Gulf states are a great example that traditional, safe, modern and faithful governance is possible under monarchies. A Caliphate (which is basically a monarchy) that is as secular as the UK would be a blessing from God.
@seekthetruth4160
@seekthetruth4160 5 ай бұрын
Yasir Qadhis wisdom and ability to critically and calmly deconstruct ideas and propose arguements in an academic way is amazing
@jocelynburrell445
@jocelynburrell445 7 ай бұрын
Its a way of Life for all Leaders who believe in the Day of Account
@farooqueali8741
@farooqueali8741 5 ай бұрын
Mustafa is one of those indian nawabs who wrote latters to British empire to come back.... After they left from India.
@assalaamu-alaykum
@assalaamu-alaykum 8 ай бұрын
So good to see them debate! Respect to both of them. Change should come from inside the relevant countries indeed. Cheikh YQ made a good point about mob mentality which is the core problem regardless of the law.. But that issue needs to be tackled by those countries . Mr Akyol also makes good statements about pain points regarding freedoms. the level and shape of freedoms should fit these countries.
@muhammadhafiztamizi6780
@muhammadhafiztamizi6780 3 ай бұрын
love from malaysia for both panelists.. thanks for organizing this!
@MDForTheCulture
@MDForTheCulture 5 ай бұрын
We need an Islamic society based on the Quran and Sunnah, Allahs religion is perfect. Unfortunately these two scholars are afraid to say it.
@greegmcnight5810
@greegmcnight5810 8 ай бұрын
Perfect example of a broken cistern shares ideas to a cistern that can hold water.
@abduraqeebwhite9421
@abduraqeebwhite9421 8 ай бұрын
Wa Salaam's Here's the core positive concerning à separate religion vs State; In the US slavery existed but politicians abolitioned its existence religion did not.
@aal-e-ahmadhussain3123
@aal-e-ahmadhussain3123 8 ай бұрын
Salam. No they didn’t. They just repackaged it and called it something else and created a very sophisticated system to make it less obvious. Also, they did zero corrections of their wrongs. They still aspire to exploit other humans for little to no reward, and they still aspire to pass any risk on to other humans with as little on their own necks. (Perhaps “aspire” is putting it too diplomatically, since they still do it). Have a look at colonial violations and violence in action in the North Dakota water pollution and the rare metals child slavery industries and the 13th Amendment - all examples from the USA, the bastion of liberal values. The ethic never disappeared or evaporated; it remained and still worked to produce action. Like I said: They just repackaged it and called it something else and created a very sophisticated system to make it less obvious.
@abduraqeebwhite9421
@abduraqeebwhite9421 8 ай бұрын
Which point do you disagree with?
@DailyQuranPost
@DailyQuranPost 6 ай бұрын
Jajakllah Khairan for a positive discussion
@Thatssswhatithought
@Thatssswhatithought 6 ай бұрын
Please invite Daniel haqiqatou.
@Therebelliousprince001
@Therebelliousprince001 6 ай бұрын
💯
@Ibn_Abdulaziz
@Ibn_Abdulaziz 8 ай бұрын
American founding fathers said: _"God gave us life, liberty and pursuit of happiness."_ If an american said to them: _"O founding fathers, God gave me the liberty to take satan as a god, that's my interpretation of liberty and that's my pursuit of happiness."_ Would the founding fathers of america say: _"Yes, God gave us the liberty to take satan as a god."_ And thereby lie about God? So did your founders lie about God? Or would they restrict the unrestricted liberty and say: _"Liberty ends where it violates the Rights of the God who gave us life. No one is allowed to be taken as a god besides the God who gave us life."_ Thus banning all shirk (polytheism) like taking men, cows, idols, angels, celestial bodies etc as gods, and only Islam (Tawhid - Islamic Monotheism) would've been the only allowed religion in america. _Using the english kings_ If the english kings said: _"Hold up, wait a minute now. You invented this liberty ideology to sneak away from our authority by saying that it is God who gives liberty and not the english kings and parliament. So why does your liberty allow satan to be taken as a god but does not allow us the liberty to rule as lords over the thirteen colonies?"_ If you allow satan to be taken as a god and jews to rule, but not english kings to rule over you, then you had no right to fight their authority for a sugar tax or a tea tax when you clearly could care less about the Rights of the One who gave you life. Thus liberty was just a political tool at the time to sneak away from english rule and transfer it to shaytan and jews. Because if it was about truth, they would've made sure that violating God's Rights trump violating human rights like english tyrannical rule of imposing a sugar and tea tax. Meaning, they were more angry at having money spoiled than shaytan opening a gate for himself through the liberty ideology and violating God's Right. Either they'll have to say: _"Our liberty ideology is unrestricted and promotes civil rights for satan."_ And thus this whole conversation is really about wanting Muslims to compromise to shaytan and his spokesman, this zindiq, munafiq. Read Surah Al-Qalam, Surah Al-Kaafirun and Al-Israa' 17:73-75, Rasulullah ﷺ did not compromise and the Qur'an is intact. If you follow their desires after the knowledge has come to you, then you are a disbeliever like them. Or they'll have to restrict liberty and contradict themselves. Try my arguments against american liberty. They cannot answer it without being trapped. In order to not have their whims and desires spoiled, they will say that shaytan has civil rights and thus you ask them, do you promote civil rights for shaytan?
@althea_is_smokin_hot
@althea_is_smokin_hot 6 ай бұрын
Sirs, a religion can survive without state patronage,but a state always has some affiliation with a religion. This is valid irrespective of all times as well as across the globe. The only issue is about the nature of religion whether it is benign or suffocating.
@Therebelliousprince001
@Therebelliousprince001 6 ай бұрын
Is your name althea? Are you calling yourself hot
@ucman74
@ucman74 6 ай бұрын
ALLAH made Islam a volunteer religion we cannot be push into it that is why all the Prophets of ALLAH never force anyone to Believe in ALLAH. The choice is on the individual so choose wisely.
@ahmadalii5932
@ahmadalii5932 8 ай бұрын
I love this. Let's talk, armed with respect for ideas. Let us teach the mobs that mob rule is not Islamic rule. We can not let the people on the bottom deck put holes in their part of the boat. However, we should never overthrow democratically elected governments or use CIA types of intrigues to destabilize counties. Educating the masses of the pupils of American schools in the United States of its unpolished history and the importance of civics.
@muhammadawan7197
@muhammadawan7197 7 ай бұрын
Islam has universal perspective & have gradual & systemic approach : to depart knowledge - from absolute source : Allah as creator of the universe : While human approaches are naturally based upon progressive understanding or experimental understanding.
@IamaMask
@IamaMask 8 ай бұрын
I agree with Mustafa more than I agree with Yasir. Both are right, to different degrees, in unique ways. In a way, most of the time they were talking past each other.
@yusifhuseini
@yusifhuseini 8 ай бұрын
Both can't be right. 1+1=2 and 1+1=3 can't both be true.
@antiyttrad
@antiyttrad 8 ай бұрын
Mustafa is 100% wrong and made no sense.
@raminsafizadeh
@raminsafizadeh 8 ай бұрын
Question: if the Messenger is sacred (which he is not) how does the profane claim ownership over him/her/it? If Muhammad is sacred and hence cannot be insulted, how can a profane (ordinary human being) have legitimate claims of being insulted and provoked in its stead?
@sarfrazahmedc
@sarfrazahmedc 8 ай бұрын
Yasir Qadi should learn how "LAW" develops and evolves and how the country he is living in right now got to the point it is right now.. Religion or Ethical concepts informs the framework of every group of people atheist secularists, mulsims, christians jews etc. Unless there is a co-operative framework in ethics and form a governing structure there will be oppression and despotism. Worshiping God is not just Salah, fasting and rituals.. those might comprise just 5% of Islam unless you are ethically free to challenge power on its corruption against goodness your worship is confined to simply mechanical rituals.
@katiawojcik962
@katiawojcik962 5 ай бұрын
Are you muslim?
@jammooly8917
@jammooly8917 8 ай бұрын
Great debate but Shaykh Yasir Qadhi dodging the critical questions of minority rights and apostasy laws is disappointing and a big blow to his arguments. I’m assuming he doesn’t have a good answer to those questions.
@jammooly8917
@jammooly8917 7 ай бұрын
@SulaykYou just proved my claim that Dr. Qadhi said that each society should decide on this issue. That is literally dodging the question. He said he spoke to Pakistani leaders not about blasphemy but mob violence. He didn’t acknowledge the hypocrisy of the situation which Akyol demonstrated by asking him how can he be okay with those laws that persecute Muslims in China and India yet be fine with it in Pakistan. Listen closely again to how Dr. Qadhi was responding.
@jammooly8917
@jammooly8917 6 ай бұрын
@Anjasha302 That’s not an answer. Saying that each should decide is not an answer because there is an obvious hypocrisy to the situation. This is analogous to being asked where you want to eat then respond with “you can decide”. How would you feel if Muslims weren’t allowed to freely preach and proselytize their faith as seen in China and many parts of India? You certainly wouldn’t like it and you would want full rights for a Muslim to freely practice, proselytize, and preach their faith. Same if a Chinese and Indian Hindu were to convert to Islam, you’d want these converts to not be punished by the government for changing religions. But in a sizable amount of Muslim-majority countries, they have apostasy laws and some restrict proselytization of different faiths. This is hypocritical, a double standard. Dr. Qadhi saying that each country should decide on its own is literally saying each country should decide whether it wants to implement unjust laws or not. Obviously no country should implement unjust laws and that should be a consistent standard applied across all societies. It’s an obvious cop out by Dr. Qadhi and it’s shameful tbh. I expected him to genuinely give an answer.
@jocelynburrell445
@jocelynburrell445 7 ай бұрын
The time this knowledge which was sent after long line on the Earth our First Parents was cast with the Story of what cause to be on Earth
@saracentiano
@saracentiano 8 ай бұрын
1:08:00 Mustafa Akyol - I believe in not causing harm according to political liberalism. Isn't this subjective?? Shouldn't an objective morality be more consistent?
@supertaxi5324
@supertaxi5324 8 ай бұрын
You nailed it. You see, Mustafa is not someone basing his worldview on Islam. He is primarily a liberal who desperately tries to reconcile his liberal worldview with Islam. His idea of "harm" isn't an Islamic one, it's a liberal one. He doesn't view the moral corruption of society as a "harm", therefore he refrains from advocating for laws that may counter said moral corruption. He couldn't care less if the society he builds favors immorality and therefore leads people to hell. For him, it's not Allah's word that is the highest but, his liberalism
@daimyo3074
@daimyo3074 7 ай бұрын
This argument of subjectivity and objectivity is Soo stupid and Muslims love to bring this up 😂 Let's just say that Mustafa DO have a religion, and in this religion it said that equality is morally good, slavery is bad, child marriage is wrong These things contradict the morality of Islam. Are you still gonna bring up this argument then ? Because in his mind he do have objective moral value
@user-ib9of6dm5n
@user-ib9of6dm5n 6 ай бұрын
⁠@@daimyo3074Explain why this is unhelpful point to bring up?
@daimyo3074
@daimyo3074 6 ай бұрын
@@user-ib9of6dm5n who determines Muslims opinion to be objective just because they get it from Islam
@Therebelliousprince001
@Therebelliousprince001 6 ай бұрын
​@@supertaxi5324Well said
@MoonLight-hs3rw
@MoonLight-hs3rw 7 ай бұрын
The freedom that Yasir enjoys in America are result of Americans struggle. Why is he thanking " Allah ".
@tamim3787
@tamim3787 7 ай бұрын
To Allah belongs everything willingly or otherwise
@heyhey6821
@heyhey6821 8 ай бұрын
Akyol suffers from inferior complex. He tries to be academic but got checked by someone superior to him.
@peacenow6618
@peacenow6618 8 ай бұрын
when was this recorded?
@youngtechbilu6764
@youngtechbilu6764 7 ай бұрын
Blasphemy laws should be included for minority people not only for muslims in muslim majority country.May Allah guide us stand with Justice.4.135 and 5.8 joly Quran.Assalamualaikum
@sameeryoussef4911
@sameeryoussef4911 7 ай бұрын
Sadly both men are limiting themselves to nation states. Rather each region or suburb served by an imam should set its own rules, and leave very little for central governments to corrupt.
@riazuddin6339
@riazuddin6339 7 ай бұрын
Alhamdulillah, there is only one Yasir Qadir; his knowledge is far beyond any common man. May he be with us for a long time.
@siroj1001
@siroj1001 5 ай бұрын
what is his knowledge that is far beyond any common man ? what I saw is just a confused man, or a man that intentionally try to confused people, Allah knows best what is the intention in his heart
@riazuddin6339
@riazuddin6339 5 ай бұрын
@@siroj1001 you are a common man yourself, hence saw a confused man!
@kadeeraziz
@kadeeraziz 5 күн бұрын
19:33 here is my question who gave the permission for Yasir Qadih to speak on behalf of women of Afghanistan?
@norahassan2372
@norahassan2372 7 ай бұрын
Yasir make good points and I'm just at the beginning, let me end the video to see where will this gonna end .
@codingblues3181
@codingblues3181 8 ай бұрын
This would be a better debate between Imam Tom Faccine and Aykol!
@everythingandroidois
@everythingandroidois 8 ай бұрын
No, I think Daniel Haqiqatjou and Aykol because Tom Faccine is a new Madinah university student and he needs time to become a good debater, not everyone can debate these topics even with some qual.
@jocelynburrell445
@jocelynburrell445 7 ай бұрын
The Subject of a higher power Resurrection to answer for behavior
@jocelynburrell445
@jocelynburrell445 7 ай бұрын
MAy learn and becrateful for having the Aquran and leaders who have freedoms we never as of yet seen
@mirreyboy39
@mirreyboy39 Ай бұрын
It's very disappointing to see YQ hiding behind colonialism, Western foreign policies and "I don't want to tell them what to do" and not debate the basic freedoms that have been accorded to all people by God. "Whoever chooses to be guided, it is only for their own good. And whoever chooses to stray, it is only to their own loss. No soul burdened with sin will bear the burden of another." Quran 17:15 The freedom to be guided or not.
@briancordero7674
@briancordero7674 7 ай бұрын
Islam is incomplete in the life of the Umma without the Khalifate.
@jocelynburrell445
@jocelynburrell445 7 ай бұрын
Those subjects many don't Discussed when thinking it's just between humans not Devine commandments
@jocelynburrell445
@jocelynburrell445 7 ай бұрын
Said with go after wealth that none have seen other then grave robbers take that it went with them with all this knowledge
@jocelynburrell445
@jocelynburrell445 7 ай бұрын
Who ever regardless of Belief want to catch someone sleeping with person you think is into you
@jocelynburrell445
@jocelynburrell445 7 ай бұрын
Not moral but concern of Fire burning and you continue feeling it
@khaledal-kassimi7121
@khaledal-kassimi7121 7 ай бұрын
Dr. Akyol is brilliant. Sheikh Yasir seems to be bringing his Athari creed into the discussion and to an extent sounded Foucauldian....kept using the power and the idea of program. His problematization of Arab countries living better under dictators prooves Dr. Akyol;s point that not all societies are capable of "freedom"..Also, the Sheikhs demeanor was not Sheikh-like....from the get go he sounded "sensitive"
@azhaniaorgena6941
@azhaniaorgena6941 7 ай бұрын
Yasir is exceptionally good at contradicting himself in a single sentence. Islam has no moral fortitude to point fingers at the west on issues of colonialism, eradicating of cultures and genocide. From India, China, Spain to African countries.
@greaterpakistan5586
@greaterpakistan5586 4 ай бұрын
He have moral
@space_jesus_13
@space_jesus_13 8 ай бұрын
Mustafa Akyol has proven himself to be a mouthpiece of state run institutions and political establishment in Turkey. He is inspired by the sheer political power that the ruling class possesses, and chooses to constantly re-position himself to be worthy of the blessings of his benefactors. He is an academic for hire who is willing to spew out talking points to garner attention from the Turkish elite and their counterparts in Western capitals. There's not much depth to his academic analysis. It's either colonilist talking points that would make Western liberals feel validated, or Turkish state-aligned propaganda that would allow him more access into political circles among Turkey's ruling class. He is absolutely not driven by academic or personal principles. Like I said, he is just another academic for hire, ready to serve the highest bidder. I don't even know why anyone takes this man seriously. A couple of Wikipedia articles combined together by Chat GPT can potentially offer a deeper understanding of any topic he claims to be an expert on.
@nj200
@nj200 8 ай бұрын
America must be a Muslim country because citizens are forbidden from drinking until they twenty-one. Twenty-one years of Sharia imposed on the people.
@mahbubrm2148
@mahbubrm2148 8 ай бұрын
Reading this comments I really think we muslims have a problem for thinking rationally .. Grow up people and have courage to accept the truth of what Dr akyol is was saying .
@everythingandroidois
@everythingandroidois 8 ай бұрын
Grow up? That is a childish statement to express superiority without actually expressing foundation. I highly suggest you to view Daniel Haqiqatjou on religious freedom critiquing Hamza Yusuf. It might be insightful. And on islamic law. Bye.
@mohammadshamail7732
@mohammadshamail7732 8 ай бұрын
We don’t need a loyal colonial slave to teach us our religion.
@thealchemist500
@thealchemist500 5 ай бұрын
I dont know how this is a debate, Yasir is all over the place, he says western countries DOES impose decency laws but there shouldnt be a Hijab enforcement? Its like two non muslims arguing. Whats the point of this whole debate? Yasir is clearly not defending Shariah, he is bending and mending wherever he sees fit. And also why does he keep saying WE including himself into the USA? Not only as a citizen, as if He AND Usa was the ones attacking Iraq, killing muslims etc. When he feels he can backup, he is muslim, when he gets pressed, he is all of a sudden a WE with USA
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