Islam in the Balkans

[@Based_n_Boredpilled]

Challenge: putting Muslim and Balkans in the same sentence on YT without being deleted.

[@dgurevich1]

* without getting fatwa declared on you

[@artf2651]

Actually youtube allows antimuslim videos, just look at right wing parties in Europe

[@1405Production]

😂😂

[@zammypersonal]

@@dgurevich1 why fatwa? are balkans that bad?

[@jackrook8715]

You have not been deleted as of yet.

[@yagizkart1]

Arabs Islamized the Persians, Persians Islamized the Turks and Turks Islamized the Balkans. This process of conversion resulted in alternating views and practices along the way, becoming increasingly significant in each step. It's no surprise that Islam in the Balkans is greatly divergent from its version practiced in the Arabian Peninsula.

[@1405Production]

Basically it’s watered down Islam

[@days23411]

The Qur'an is very clear it's just people choosing not to practise rather than people somehow thinking that drinking alcohol is halal

[@yagizkart1]

@@days23411 Didn't say the lines of Kuran have somehow become blurry along the way, only the difference in views and practices have become much more pronounced as further people living on other geographical regions were converted to the religion.

[@1405Production]

What I mean by watered down is the creation of such Muslim groups such as the bektashi order, which still is big in Turkey and Albania where they drink alcohol and do things regular Muslims don’t accept

[@days23411]

@@yagizkart1 yeah i understood what you were saying but there's different schools like hanafi but the practise of Islam in bosnia is mostly defined by secularism and not because they interpret the religion to permit alcohol

[@Claudiu_S_from_Canada]

Welcome to the grey reality. Not Black, not White. But grey.

[@Claudiu_S_from_Canada]

All our lifes, regardless of religion, are in the grey zone, just try to be good to each other. Universal Religion.

[@Swan_River_Cowboy]

@@Claudiu_S_from_Canadaunless you’re a Nazi between 1933-1945 and apart of the SS… or you’re Himmler You’re just evil then

[@iamjuancediel]

The Balkans : The Grey Zone

[@dreamshooter90]

​@@iamjuancediel I hope to laugh about this sometime in the near future.

[@codreanupetronel]

the 50 shadows of islam

[@lordnicholasbuzanthefearle2155]

It is true that Bosnian drink alcohol, but they do not eat pork. I don't know from where did you get this info. Eating Pork in Bosnia is regarded as tabo for Bosniaks. You would face severe backlash and be ostracized in the bosniak muslim community if you consume pork. It is also almost impossible to find pork in stores in the big muslim cities of Bosnia. My source? I am a Bosniak born and bread in Sarajevo.

[@adenmehmedagic2513]

Your right that most bosniaks dont eat pork but there is a minority during yugoslavia that did eat. I know that my relatives when they grew up in bosnia did not eat pork. BUT i also remember I had a bosnian friend who did eat pork.

[@lordnicholasbuzanthefearle2155]

@@adenmehmedagic2513 It is true that the custom was more spread during Yugoslavia. Many muslims were trying to cozy up to the ruling Serb communist class. By consuming pork marrying into Serb families and giving their mixed children Serb orthodox names they hopped to gain status and relevance (kinda ironic that the tables flipped after departure of the Ottomans). But even this phenomena was rare. Now there is no need for this because Yugoslavia is no more.

[@Hajde_budalla]

Pork is cheap & tasty. Balkaners are nothing if not pragmatic.

[@belstar1128]

it should be switched around alcohol is bad for society while pork is harmless .

[@ayubk2638]

Tbh even in the west, its not uncommon for muslims to never eat pork, but then have no problem committing other sins. Even sins that are considered way worse

[@kayratunasar4199]

As a Turk Ottomans being compared to Andrew Tate is the most offensive thing I've ever hear yet I completely agree

[@TuorTheBlessedOfUlmo]

beats comparing you pieces of literal shit which is what you actually are.

[@Palestine3844]

That is not the only offensive part in the video. Throughout, it lacks cultural sensitivity.

[@frogmantoad8110]

@@Palestine3844boo hoo

[@capncake8837]

@@Palestine3844 Good. That’s the true Balkan spirit.

[@cris8989]

tate or a camel?

[@PKowalski2009]

You reminded me of how I once spoke to Berber. And he talks about his people: “We are Muslims, but we believe weakly.” We ask puzzled, what does that mean, and he: “We drink alcohol.”

[@dolfy7591]

as a berber this is true 💀

[@EenYouTubeGebruiker]

Unless they start living in the Netherlands. Then within a generation or two they become very fanatical patriotic Moroccan Muslims.

[@samiman5606]

@EenKZbinGebruiker Of course because it's important to be patriotic Moroccan Muslim in néerlandais to make Tamazight language exist and to make alot of amazigh kids that's way mexed Arabs in north Africa heat us and the illegal middle Eastern Arabs too they don't want to see alot of amazighs get married and have a lot of kids because the Arabs sow that's as a treat to there existence in Europe or north Africa if they come back home again one day from Europe

[@baka1773]

@@EenKZbinGebruikerwhich is sad berbers are really unique

[@Thought_Criminality]

And what of the moors?

[@stranger8913]

I'm a Muslim from Bosnia and I can tell you that the vast majority of Muslims here are cultural Muslims (or sociological as you were calling them) not religious , both the young and the old.As a mater of fact here in my town (which is about 98% muslim) you can see a lot of Christmas decoration (although I think many would prefer to call them New Years decoration ,but that's not that different).It is also very easy to buy alcohol and the number of woman wearing the hijab (or any traditional Islamic clothing) is very low.I remember last year we were supposed to have an exam on the 26 of December ,all of us (including the profesor) were Muslims but one of us was Catholic.She asked is it possible for us to have an exam on a different date because she wanted to celebrate Christmas , we all agreed to have the exam on the 22 of December (4 days earlier ) just so that she can celebrate Christmas with her family

[@KRMLZ01]

Pretty similar to syrian muslims just a little more closer to the Islamic values

[@VladVlad-ul1io]

@@KRMLZ01 How are the syrians?

[@berkekadircelik6282]

Its same here in Turkey, people just say they are Muslim when asked but don't really do much else.

[@asa-ze1kn]

Eh moving the exam back is just respect

[@RamMohammadJosephKaur]

respect 🫡

[@kony12356]

balkan muslims where like: you may take our religion, our culture and our freedom but you will never take our pork and beer.

[@itz_ic21gaming97]

Poetic ain't it?

[@laughingseal2282]

Bosniak Muslims mixing Islam with booze is the most unique thing in all region. No hate, I'd visit Bosnia someday

[@SiPakRubah]

Should've done the Russian way, where they took the religion that's allowed booze, which happens to be Orthodox Oh wait, Bosnians were being Crusaded by the Serbians before, hence why they stay separated from them

[@dead493]

​@@laughingseal2282albanian muslims get drunk everyday too

[@itsicearmour]

@@laughingseal2282 Highly recommend that you do. Super lovely, friendly people that will invite you over for dinner at a moment's notice.

[@Morkior]

Morpheus: Balkans, which pill will you choose? Blue (Islam) or Red (alcohol)? Balkans: ... Morpheus: ...did you just take both pills?

[@1405Production]

The comment I was looking for 😂

[@Dr.B1337]

Underated comment 😂 you got my like for sure ❤

[@1405Production]

@@Dr.B1337 this is a very popular meme for Albanians and Bosnians lol

[@Dr.B1337]

@@1405Production hearing it the first time honestly but love it 🤣

[@Umar-qy3bd]

The colour of the pills should be reversed if you are being honest. People don't take alcohol to face reality. But I guess this might have to do with a small _bias_ with people that frequent this channel

[@itz_ic21gaming97]

When it comes to religion in the Balkans just bear in mind that the Balkans are not this religious in the slightest or not at all.

[@Cyberi0nix597]

Still, some of us are religious nonetheless

[@itz_ic21gaming97]

​@@Cyberi0nix597Correct, however huge chuck of them are hypocritices that are using religion for stroking their own ego. I can assure you that because I grow up in Balkans myself.

[@itz_ic21gaming97]

​@@Cyberi0nix597Yes that is true. However I'm from Bulgaria and I'll tell you huge chunk of people are not only not religious and also they are massive hypocrites.

[@itz_ic21gaming97]

​@@Cyberi0nix597There's some truth in that, but people are not this religious in the Balkans.

[@itz_ic21gaming97]

​@@Cyberi0nix597There's some truth in that, when it comes to the masses is a different story.

[@speeddemon8977]

i am an orthodox christian Albanian my brother is married to a muslim girl just on paper because she dont practice islam and my point is this is pretty much every family in Albania is mixed. Also Albanians from Albania are way less religious then the ones from Kosovo or Macedonia because during the Enver Hoxha regime Albania was declared Athiest and if you practied religioin you either go in prison orget killed. My grand ather used to be an Orthodox priest he died in prison during communisem. Only in 1992 religion was allowed again this is why today in Albania many people declare none religious or atheist even the ones who say are christian or muslim they dont even go to church or mosque all drink rakia eat pork only a very small % is religious here. Personally i identify as orthodox Albanian of Byzatine rite because my grand father was the head of this church and i feel more relaxed in a church then a mosque but for sure i been to a mosque we celebrate all religious celebrations like bajram and christmas and if you ask us what religion are we the answer will be just Albanian

[@BlackFlagHeathen]

Ah yes, my favorite religion: Albanian

[@yendevus1747]

Albanian is itself a religion

[@dimitrosskrippka2154]

Absolutely based

[@Hajde_budalla]

Note he said Orthodox Albanian, not Albanian Orthodox. And I can confirm everything he said. Its not in our culture to put religion first, or judge people by religion. I never thought twice about my grandmothers being Muslim and us being Orthodox, Catholic, Atheist etc. And was shocked by the rest of the Balkans view on religion.

[@Forward205]

I am a Kosovo Albanian and I grew up "muslim" but I never really practiced or cared about it and now I am an atheist and maybe one day will all Albanians will come back to orthodox Christianity like we used to be during the good old days lol

[@yagizkart1]

Ataturk, the guy responsible for radically secularizing Turkish society, hails from the Balkans; along with many founding figures in the establishment of the secular republic. Adding to this, nearly 30% of modern Turkey's population has Balkan ancestry, (Albanian, Bosniak, Pomak or Bulgarian Turk, ...) owing to the exodus of Muslims from the region following the Balkan Wars. So in a sense, Balkan Islam really transformed Turkey's politics and demographics, being significant in another aspect of history as well.

[@green1880]

May Allah curse attaturk

[@Kral_Cihan]

The worst thing to happen to the Turks. The mans parents arent even know for Gods sake and they call him Atatürk

[@fatihersayn7877]

The political power of Balkan Muslims in Turkiye has always been supported by the army. I liken this to the minority rule of the Nusayri Assad family, but of course the minority rule in Turkiye was much more humane than Assad's. If you have doubts about this issue, I recommend you examine the pressures on the Islamic segment and Islamic politicians. The secularist army always suppressed the Islamic segment until Erdogan purged the Kemalist army members. Today, the secular and Balkan-origin segment is decreasing due to birth rates and migration. If it continues like this, after 100 years, Turkiye will have Anatolian-Middle Eastern culture instead of Anatolian-Balkan culture.

[@Kaan-f4q]

Idk if it's 30 percent but the Aegean Coast is mostly of Balkan origin because of the population exchange with Greece. And the Aegean Coast is by far the least religious part of Turkey.

[@glonnus]

@@fatihersayn7877 This is typical Islamist thoughts. Balkan Islamists are more reactionary than Islamists in Turkey today. They also have nothing to do with Turkish Islam. The elimination of the Janissaries and the exile of the Bektashis changed the geography of the Balkans and Anatolia from the 19th century to the present. The example of Assad would not be correct because those who came from the Balkans were Sunnis. Bektashis were not allowed to come. Also, the Alevi population is almost 30 percent in Anatolia. They are not a minority like in Syria. Kemalists and the Balkans have nothing in common. Most of the people who founded Turkey and led the national struggle are of Anatolian origin. Turkey has its own unique understanding of Islam. Iranian influence, ancient Turkish belief influence, Anatolian influence. We cannot ignore these. In addition, Turkey is already of Anatolian-Middle Eastern origin. We have lost all the Balkan lands. It does not take ownership of the things that are lost.

[@davidmajer3652]

I have a sneaky feeling the people of the Balkans will find something to fight about.

[@NecroBanana]

Buddy, that's their bread and butter.

[@1405Production]

We only fight over nationalism, I think we all agree with this video when it comes to religion 😂

[@matrixtrollmarine]

We are balkans, our frenemiship relations are awful, awkward, an atrocity Upon international values and best left well enough alone.. germans learned this lesson the hard way..

[@TasPan666]

don't worry brade, we will find more stupid reasons to fight with each other, rather than addressing the real issues that we have with our respective governments, we are stupid af in the Balkans

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

@@1405Production Exactly, no reason to fight. Just fight *without reason.*

[@A.K.625]

Also, many residents of the Balkans, especially Bosnia, embraced ancient Christian sects such as Arianism and Nestorianism, which believed in Christ as a prophet and not a god. This sect is very close to Islam, so converting to Islam was easier for them because it is close to their faith.

[@jainysail2941]

And bosnia was also isolated by the catholic and orthodox denomination, so their desire to convert is evenmore increasing...

[@SiPakRubah]

​@@jainysail2941Not just isolated, but were victims of the Crusades towards them by the Serbs and Hungary

[@mihaelac2472]

Bosnians were members of a sectarian branch of Christianism that was being repressed by both Catholic and Orthodox Churches, so found it easier to convert to Islam.

[@PresidentFlip]

Iran also had a lot of those

[@manoflowmoralvalue1560]

Neither of those sects were embraced by Bosnians, this is a myth. And btw Nestorians believe in Trinity so thats wrong and Arians simply believe Jesus is a lesser God than the Father.

[@earlh]

My Albanian paternal grandfather, ironically named Ramadan, would have, rakia and pork chops for Ramadan. His life long best friend was our orthodox neighbour. We always celebrated easter and Christmas with their family.

[@shortsforfun458]

does he fast at least ?

[@jamievarbondg]

What matters is we all respect eachother

[@BeSas-b8d]

I celebrated Xmass with family aswell and they celebrated eid with me, its important to show respect in that way. today I don't celebrate anything as I view my duty to god greater than that. I don't deserve a celebration for doing what is right.

[@gj7710]

@@shortsforfun458 I do not think so... common behaviour here in Albania. My mum makes cakes every time there is a religious celebration ( she has no religion and I'm Catholic) and when I ask her why making a cake for a muslim celebration, she answers 'why not, is a good thing'... I think she doesn't know which to chose and tries to be diplomatic :)))

[@L.K.48]

​@@BeSas-b8d it's Christmas, not Xmass. The celebrations aren't about you doing the right thing, they are ancient rituals passed down through tradition that should humble us and align us with what's right.

[@TheSynthPunk]

My family's from Bashkortostan, so the concept of a Muslim casually outdrinking a Christian is a painfully familiar one to me lmao

[@zaltanking9915]

Got Bosnian friends in America, guys get hammered Friday night every time and celebrate Christmas. Just a clarification for all the replies. They come to Jumma and pray. Only Jumma and Eid prayer is when I see them pray.

[@Trysomieflexntjes]

Still does not day anything, there are enough muslim who do this and know, according to their religion, they are sinning. But yeah big chance this Bosnian muslim friend does not think like that 😂.

[@hunterthompson6737]

average bosnian muslim be like

[@doedoewski1939]

50 percent of them are musims, the others are orthodox and catholic

[@georgschrotten622]

80 years ago half of the Bosnaks were christians. Now if you want to declare yourself Bosnians you 'must be' muslim in some way. Again 80 years ago you did not have to be muslim to be Bosnak. Btw more Bosnian drink alcohol than Albanian. Slivovitz won't consume itself in Bosnia, so the Bosnaks must do their duties. It is just a little side effect what their duties cause... HELIKOPTER, HELIKOPTER!!!!

[@DerREALpatrich]

Who wouldn't?? I'm an atheist, and I still practice Christmas too(Mainy for the free shit)

[@maxximum5980]

As a Bosniak, many of us do drink, but most don’t eat pork. Some of us have Christmas trees (I do), some of us don’t, although we all call this “new years tree” and “new years gifts” etc , although many orthodox Christians do this as well, especially during communism times. Also, some younger generation bosniaks are becoming more religious, as people have become more religious after the war and genocide, incentivizing bosniaks to become religious which ties to their heritage and identity. Overall, it’s still a secular country, where you’ll find influence of ottoman and Austro-Hungarian, and Bosnians are proud to mention both of those empires because although ottoman gave us the religion, Austro-Hungarian built most buildings from museums, theaters, universities, railways etc. I don’t really think the mentality is any different than other Balkans , if anything orthodox Balkans I think are even more conservative

[@maxximum5980]

About the note of some bosniaks becoming more religious , I know a few daughters who wear hijab but their mothers don’t , so kinda example of what I wrote before ^ Also, I’ve encountered more religious bosniaks outside of bosnia actually . And also, because schools in Bosnia are segregated (Croats go to Croat , Serb to Serb, Bosniak to Bosniak) , Islamic education in school most Bosniaks have an Islamic class , since the schools are segregated between religion/ethnicity

[@watermonke4599]

Damn you call it new years tree too 😂😂😂 same in Albania

[@Hajde_budalla]

Considering the fact you can have 4 wives in Islam, among other things, yes Orthodoxy is conservative. No polygamy, no 🌈, Jesus never had szx with a 9;year old, etc

[@Mistrinho]

I have muslim friends from Brcko, and let me tell you..they love the pork and the rakija!

[@maxximum5980]

@@Mistrinho well yes there are still Bosnians who eat pork, it’s not like a forbidden thing, my cousin eats pork, it’s a secular country people can do what they want. I’m just saying it’s not common the way alcohol is, which is ingrained in the culture

[@abuhannah07]

I can speak for Albania, I think your video is spot on bro. There are religious Muslims in Albania no question but they are the minority. Most Muslims are very secular compared to Muslims in the Middle East. You'll often see Christians and Muslims celebrating each other's holidays. I've never been to Bosnia but I've been to Kosove. Kosove and northern Albania seem more conservative in matters of religion than middle and southern Albania. Just my personal observation.

[@BeSas-b8d]

Same with Macedonia, we are very conservative IMO there. Especially after the civil war

[@ISLAMMEHMEDOF-jt8iy]

​@@BeSas-b8dthat is because ISLAM functions more as ETHNICITY more than RELIGION in the land of the unbelievers i now that because the same thing is for me and my people how live in christian county heck my Father marry my Christian Mom but if you ask my Father my Sister can marry only MUSLIM

[@ALBiiAN]

As i can say from Kosove, tbh i dont think people in kosove are more religious i think they only act like they are religious. My dad asks me on the eating table if i said "Bismillah" but later on, he is going to drink a beer during fishing(Or probably even ate pork before he went home :P)

[@albanveda6448]

Why Alban chiks like to get it anal so much??

[@imperial_Drag999]

​@@ALBiiAN Kosovo is part of Serbia India china russia would never accept you

[@Ritolou]

This is accurate to us, Berbers or Tamazight. Especially in Tunisia and Western Algeria, you can found a lot of cheap wine. Fun fact: If France didn’t gave up Algeria, the colony would be by far the largest wine producer in the world.

[@condoriano3533]

It depends where in North Africa you’re from

[@ichibanmanekineko]

Somehow I don't believe that Algeria would produce more wine than USA or Australia. I would love to try Algerian wine though

[@flansable]

@@ichibanmanekinekoyou’ll find it in France with the rest of the Harkis like OP

[@Ala-n1z]

Yeah kind of right but drinking still seen as bad thing to do and sin even man with family don't drink

[@lev3738]

Most of the Berbers I know are radical salafists

[@ΝίκοςΜπέτσης-ΗΠΑ]

These are more Muslims in London than in the whole Balkans.

[@matthuntelaar8486]

This is 1000% true statement. I lived in both.

[@NewFocusFocus]

London muslims are more Islamist than Afghans.

[@PentaRaus]

Also, unlike Arab Muslims, Balkan Muslims do not occupy all the top spots of the most inbred countries.

[@TechFlipPro]

As of 2021, the estimated Muslim populations are: • Balkans: Approximately 8 million Muslims, constituting about 13% of the total population.  • London: 1,318,755 Muslims, making up 15% of the city’s population. 

[@ΝίκοςΜπέτσης-ΗΠΑ]

@ Where did you came up with this number for Balkans?

[@Spaxder2]

I've noticed that lot of balkan cuisine is just Turkish/middle eastern cuisine, but with added pork to spite them (sarmale, mici, musaka etc)

[@Im_a_Romanian]

Fr tho also Ciorba is a Turkish origin dish

[@karaboga212]

Corba means soup in turkish

[@ThatIstidude]

Yes

[@wikipediaH]

Pork is the most sought after vegetable and fruit in Romania.

[@juannaym8488]

isn't Musaka greek?

[@slightlyopinionated8107]

A lot of people here don't know the reality of the situation. Sure right now most Muslims in the Balkans who drink alcohol probably recognize its prohibited in Islam, but they are Sunni Hanafi. In earlier Hanafi law, only alcohol from grapes was prohibited but not from other grains like rice or wheat and was allowed as long as it was in small quantity that didn't intoxicate. Obviously though, as with all things, give a man an inch and he wants a mile, give him a cup and he wants a barrel.

[@Skinok_skin]

It was allowed for certain amount of time as one of steps to banning alcohol at the time of prophet pbuh because Arabs were heavy drinkers and stopping it in one day would've caused some problems, I'm not really into these schools but finding out that one of them still allows this law is kinda crazy to me

[@slightlyopinionated8107]

@@Skinok_skin I disagree with that law as well but many scholars who accepted were well regarded and made some decent arguments. That ruling has lost favor with later Hanafis though so most I'd say prohibit it even if it was derived from rice, honey or wheat and even if it drank in non-intoxicating quantities.

[@abuqadr629]

Surprisingly this view within Islamic scholars existed but isn’t this very outdated and refuted so that it kinda died out centuries ago, also among Hanafis?

[@slightlyopinionated8107]

@@abuqadr629 yes even Hanafis today don't hold that view. Pretty much all Muslims today follow the ruling "whatever intoxicates in large quantities, is forbidden even in small quantities"

[@sunset2.00]

Even with science, moderate alcohol have long term negative effects that can't be ignored. But better than getting drunk.

[@justapassione5554]

Bosnia are kinda same with our country. Before our independence, we used to be a lot more secular in religion, but now alhamdulillah we're rapidly becoming more religious.

[@AbidurRahman2212]

Alhamdulillah

[@justsefa1843]

Oh lord. My brother in faith, please... For the love of god... 1:30 No locals were an integral part of the ottoman government. The last Bulgar king was an ottoman governor and various pashas complained about how Fatih Sultan Mehmets new government was pretty much filled with converted romans. You also had indirect rule in various areas over different areas. Even timars were regularly given to christians. The majority of timars were hold by muslims of the military class, but depending on the region we are talking about christians sharing about half of all timars on the Balkan. The roman system was quite often just adopted and kept with the local governor as it is, since it was a working system the Ottomans did not want to disrupt. 1:46 Yes Anatolian turks were brought to the Balkan and no, they were not randomly sent to colonize areas. They specifically populated depopulated areas. Some of these cities were not even populated by anatolian muslims, but by local orthodox christians. Sarajevo is such an example, which was founded by some ottoman governors. The city got burned down by the hungarians and got repopulated again by orthodox christians after the conquest of Belgrade. 2:16 minorities had various monopolies. Being a muslim was not an atuomatic ladder upwards. If you wanted to make military career or be a governor: Yes, otherwise no, which is why the vast majority of balkan lands stayed predominantly christian. By your logic there shouldnt have been any christians left and we should be seeing a correlation between areas the Ottomans controlled the most and the concentration of muslims on the Balkan, which we dont. As if the serbian burgeouise with a pig monopoly on the Balkan had to convert to get filthy rich. And mind you, being a muslim meant that you had to partake in wars. Christians didnt. For a measly extra tax of about 2.5% you were exempt from military service. What an incentive! In Germany you pay church tax of 6-10%. I guess Germany wants to intensifie its people to become atheists? 2:55-3:00 that is coincidentally also everything there was to the "discrimmination", which were not enforced either. Politics and military was simply the only thing christians were not "allowed" to be part of. 3:30 Just no. The devshirme was collected predominantly among the rural poor areas of the Balkan and it was not "a child every couple of years" from a family, but one child among the entire village. The number of janissaries were pretty much negligable and the devshirme was abolished in the 1600s anyways. Afaik around 1640. By the 1600s, the vast majority of Janissaries were from muslim families anyways. The Devshirme is a drop in the bucket and not even remotely an explanation for millions of muslims on the Balkan. It doesnt even have any correlation with the demographic makeup. The muslims on the Balkan are not dotted around rural areas, but are concentrated. Bosnaks naturally converted to Islam, because their domination was already close to Islam and because everyone around them saw them as heretics. Rumeli was the economic heart of the Ottomans and a lot of migrants, muslim migrants. And by all means I am not saying that people were never ever converted. You have some cases of forced conversion in Albania, after they started rebelling against the Ottomans during some Ottoman-Russian war, but that (the devshirme) is not an exaplanation for why there are muslims on the Balkan. 4:40 not just "ethnically cleansed". It was a full blown genocide. Described in detail in the Carnegie report. The explusion of muslims from Rumeli in the aftermath of the Ottoman-Russian war in the 1870th was also followed by mass rape, torture, looting and murdering. 5:36 Yes, because the Ottomans didnt have a single order stationed on the Balkan to convert people and because "islamic laws" were rarely enforced. 10:10 Yes. Not just reversed, muslims were discrimminated. You couldnt even use the word "turk" to label anything in Greece until recent history. You still have people automatically assuming that all turkish or remotely pro-turkish sources are automatically wrong and that their own sources are of divine, unwaverring truth. Mfer imagen thinking you are colonized for 500 years, but you still keep your language, culture, identity, city names, religion and demographics.

[@justsefa1843]

And for the record: I am not saying that the Ottomans were some peace loving, cookie giving force of goodness. By all means: -criticize the uneven consitution, but dont pretend that it was bad. It was good for most of its existence. Kanuni was not only known and popular among anatolian turks, but all of Europe. -criticize the devshirme as a brutal act, but dont pretend that they are the reason for the "islamization" of Balkan, when they never reached more than 10-20k troops, while the devshirme was a thing and dont pretend that Ottoman expansion was carried by balkan christians. It simply wasnt. -criticize how the Ottomans seized Cankkale and be critical of anatolian turks coming and settling in the Ottoman Empire, but dont pretend that this was ethnic cleansing. Belgrade was also repopulated by muslims, but muslims lived alongside the christians, just like in Constantinople. -Be concerned about the status of minorities, but stop pretending they were some kind of 2nd class citizen. The millet system was uneven and unequal to everyone. As if being forced to conscription is some special rights, the local christians were missing out on.

[@mzdo79]

Really underrated comment, the forced conversion narrative is often overused when talking any muslim conquest in a deregatory way , often disregarding that within the Qur'an itself forced conversion is prohibited .

[@GioBall]

mfer you people would feel guild only if you had gone full colonize in Balkans like you did in Anatolia... fucking turks thinking their built their empire for 400 years throwing flowers to the indigenous populations

[@ellie_821]

@@mzdo79Forced conversion isn’t overused. It’s one of the most significant aspects of the history of Islamic rule. Islam was spread by the sword, literally by invasion, but it was also forced onto local populations by other means, such as making living conditions so terrible that people “freely converted.” Sure people converted by their own will, but Muslim leaders made the conditions that left people with no other choice but to convert or die.

[@firebird997]

I don't think it was forced either, but I think you are underestimating the influece of the benefits of being muslim in the Ottoman empire. You just glanced over the fact that being non muslim excluded you from governing and military positions and skipped the part of the video saying that a christians word in court counted less that that of a muslim. When all the major institutions (government, military, law) are controlled exclusively by people of one religion, you don't think that creates discrimination and huge incentive for people to adopt that religion to have a better life. Of course other factors played a role as well, like the fact that christianity was only shallowly ingrained in parts of Bosnia, but without the incentives of being a muslim in the Ottoman empire, I don't think there would be so much conversion.

[@ThirdTyKage]

I’m Bosnian, don’t drink, don’t eat pork, and pray daily.

[@nourhd5175]

Gg bro 💪

[@Jeebs544]

May Allah Bless you brother.

[@edishasaj802]

nerd

[@хелена-н9х]

mashallah

[@tadanarilee6003]

May Allah bless you my brother ❤ W brother

[@sadushukle2141]

Albanian Here and I can say that during our 50 years time in comunisem more priest where killed and chrurches where destroyed than in 500 years in Otoman Empire so Blah Blah Blah.

[@ulyssedolne822]

Is it true that younger Muslims in the balkan are becoming more religious ? Because as an person living in belgium, i have the impression that the child of Muslims parents are sometimes more religious than their parents

[@Just_another_menace]

It's true and this new generation of muslims also mind their own business meaning they practice their religion without rubbing it into peoples' faces.

[@merhat6490]

No not in the Balkans

[@JohnWilliam23-z8t]

Not true. As per the survey only 3% Albanian muslims pray 5 times a day.

[@neraratky]

yes. Qatar invests a lot of money in Bosnia. Building schools, mosques... Arabs are buying properties. They are bringing the sect of Islam that wasn't previously present in the Balkans. That is why a lot of young women are starting to wear hijab. Bad news for the region.

[@Tryinis]

its actually reverse in turkey but what is nowdays popular among muslims and so dangerous is wahabism and its really dangerous. one step further of wahhabism is isis

[@hamzam5394]

I know its mostly for parody, but there is a lot of us Bosniaks who take Islam seriously, and more and more people are starting to as well.

[@20NBA01]

That’s sad

[@maddraugr4667]

Dogs of the pedo-prophet.

[@ausom143]

Alhamdulillah! Great to hear things are not that bad in Balkans

[@maddraugr4667]

@@hamzam5394 More and more pdfile worshippers. Disgusting.

[@munis002]

Alhamdulillah keep going and guiding those who don't remember the same person would never have issues or call out fundamentalist christian serb

[@aureliussch.2185]

A significant portion of pre-Ottoman Albanians were Catholics. Since the 1054 Schism, the population along the Albanian coast closest to Italy aligned with Rome. Catholicism spread throughout Central and Northern Albania after 1054, eventually becoming the majority by the time of Skanderbeg. Only Southern Albania (referred to as Northern Epirus by the Greeks) and the Arvanite Albanophones in present-day Greece remained loyal to Constantinople by the 1400s, just before the Ottoman conquests. Another historically Catholic region was Bosnia, which had a Bogomil minority, though contemporary Bosnian nationalists often exaggerate the presence of this group to assert a narrative of Bosnian national exceptionalism. It is no coincidence that these two predominantly Catholic regions of the Balkans eventually became Muslim. Unlike the Orthodox, Catholics faced more persecution under the Ottomans due to the lack of official representation at Constantinople. The Franco-Ottoman alliance, which lasted from 1536 to 1798, led the Ottomans to moderate their persecution of Catholics under French influence. However, Catholic communities still faced significant pressure, motivating many Bosnians and Albanians to convert to Islam. In contrast, the Orthodox were less compelled to convert, as their ethnarch, the Patriarch of Constantinople, afforded them protection. Consequently, many Albanian Catholics also converted to Orthodoxy during the Ottoman period, as both Islam and Orthodoxy offered the benefits of official protection. For example, the Myzeqe Valley in Central Albania, once a Catholic stronghold, became predominantly Orthodox under Ottoman rule. On the islands of Crete and Cyprus, where a significant Catholic Venetian population existed before the Ottoman conquest, it was also the Catholic Venetians who were the first to convert to Islam. This is evident in the Linobambaki Muslim Cypriot community, which is largely descended from Catholics. This trend of rapid conversion to Islam also occurred among Cretan Catholics, with the initial converts being the Catholic Veneto-Cretans. Therefore, in regions with a significant Catholic presence in Rumelia, conversion to Islam was notably more widespread.

[@LG-bs1rs]

Interesting, thanks for that insight

[@lepi7921]

Nobody is claiming there were "Bogumils" that is a completely different sect from Bulgaria. There were in fact a lot of " Bosanski krstjani" who tryed to follow the original scriptures without the role of priests and church like organisations, but they weree considered as heretics and various wars were waged especially in the 13th century when Bosnia was almost completely destroyed and thousands of them were burned at stake. So when the ottomans came these people didnt really have the supportive net that the orthodox had or the "ahdnama" which the sultan gave out to catholics so a lot of them either escaped or converted. But it is true that it is used for these nationalistic purposes as is anything in the Balkans really

[@TheDiddler261]

First of all i agree with your catholic "argument". This is for some weird reason an ignored fact. But i have a question regarding the orthodox albanians. Do you think that albanians having no independent orthodox church (until the 20th century) also contributed to the conversion of orthodox albanians to islam? Orthodox albanians were under the jurisdiction of greek, serbian and bulgarian churches which didnt permit the albanian as the liturgical language. That might have resulted in them being less loyal to their orthodox religion and convert to islam(which also didnt come with the albanian language but atleast came with some privlileges)

[@LG-bs1rs]

@useraiaj234mp It means that there was a general trend that if the area was catholic, those were the places that had the least support and least representation so the catholic area of population became the muslim converts after many years.

[@ndnsjensbsuiajs7514]

Southern Albania is called Southern Albania. It’s irrelevant what greek ultranationalists call it.

[@imsostrangeandwild777]

I’m an Albanian catholic but whenever I revisit my family and we go out in different parts (the part of Albania where I’m from is catholic) I see very few Muslims who are wearing the hijab or are covered up and Ive seen some say that their family drinks alcohol and does things that would be consider haram lol

[@ErdiMemeti-h5u]

I mean theres people for that in every religion most Christians just say there Christians and dont even read their own bible

[@imsostrangeandwild777]

@@ErdiMemeti-h5uyep but also my family also uses “mashallah” I don’t but whenever they mean “oh look at him/her you look nice” they use it and especially when there’s a wedding they are like “mashallah shiko nusen!” (Look at the bride) and idk if it’s also common for non Muslim Albanians but my family still uses it 😅

[@earlh]

@@imsostrangeandwild777 My orthodox friends in Berat would use yallah or mashallah more than the muslims lol

[@n.woorey7264]

​@@earlh Marshallah and Ishalla is very common words in Albanian christians except in Mirdita.

[@phantomwarrior6825]

@@rogeriusrex93down horrendous, letting your profile picture down too 😂

[@WayneW3st]

As a minority in a nation that recognises Islam as its national religion, I can promise you there’s more Muslim going out to parties and drink in clubs. The worst part is then later pull out the “bad influence by non Muslim friends” card

[@Suleimaan104]

which nation

[@hishamalaker491]

Americans use the excuse of latino migrants as to why they get high on cocaine. like brody, if you wont but their coke then there would be drug trade.

[@laisphinto6372]

Every Nation the Muslims are complete bullshitters they LARP before secular Nations and Run it in to Christians that they are so "Faithfull" but they smoke,hore,Drink and get high AS hell Like No other the only Thing they maybe keep IS No pork but they do all Other degenerate Shit gladly but call themselves very good Muslims. They only Look ON the surface more Faithfull and that IS accomplished by larping the Hijab publicly praying (even though Most dont do it).

[@Dac_DT_MKD]

Let me guess, Macedonia.

[@Suleimaan104]

@@Dac_DT_MKD The great Emirate of Toronto, actually.

[@feliche2292]

0:11 why the hell is there one Greek island completely catholic???

[@EvenWorth]

It was under the empire of Venice so some converted to catholicism. Today if im not mistaken half of the people that live there are catholic.

[@sotirismitzolis5171]

It's Syros, and it wasn't completely Catholic, just the mountainous part because of Venitian control.

[@glhi4773]

On the map it says tinos, it has a catholic arch diocese and a fair amount of catholic churches but it is majority orthodox.

[@sotirismitzolis5171]

@glhi4773 Many islands had significant Catholic minorities, Syros was the only island were they made the majority. (The mountainous part was the most populous due to piracy)

[@hazemzawahreh2766]

Venetians, fun fact the island doesn’t even have Greek architecture if you were to go there it feels more like Venice then greece

[@Mattokishi]

I lived in a mostly Muslim neighbourhood in Toronto for 27 years and never had any problems and my high school was mostly Muslim too….. I have seen plenty of young and older Muslim Canadians smoking cigarettes, smoking weed, drinking alcohol, buying lottery tickets and some eat pork too …..basically since they come to or grow up in Canada they are surrounded by the temptation of haram. I have been to the local mosque many times and went there during Ramadan for meal when I didn’t have any money due to losing my job.

[@yagizkart1]

Some mentioning of the the Bosnian Church not taking a firm hold among Bosniaks and a little further explanation on the Bulgarian Muslims (Pomaks and Bulgarian Turks) would be appreciated; as the former constitute a great deal in understanding how and why Islam spread among the Slavs in the first place; and the latter representing the third major branch of Balkan Muslims.

[@grundgesetzart.1463]

it spread through force, the "Pomaks" were in an area which the Ottoman empire wanted to control. There are documentaries on their history, if you are that interested.

[@rumble1925]

Despite all the bloody history, we have to also acknowledge that the turks were not as brutal as we paint them today. Our culture, religion, languages survived hundreds of years in their empire. If it were some other empire, chances are that none of it would survive.

[@Niko-lm3mb]

I think Balkans are extremely stubborn.

[@GioBall]

turks didnt had any culture to force on anyone. They got their language and religeon from arabs, their food and architect from Greece and everything from the Balkans and rebranded them.

[@somerandomperson1221]

@@GioBalllol no they only got the writing system and some words from us

[@alixus10]

This is something I've been trying to get through to hard-core nationalists. I'm not saying the Ottomans were perfect. But many of the stories of Ottoman atrocities in the Balkans are either outright invented or exaggerated.

[@Niko-lm3mb]

@@alixus10It was not for nothing that 1000 poems were written, 1000 stories about their atrocities. The people did not hate them so much without reason.

[@alekspirraci4497]

As an Albanian I have no clue what the hell my relegion is

[@TimeG37]

It's the flag.

[@Mortablunt]

Futbòl

[@Dac_DT_MKD]

Come to Macedonia to see what your fellow Albanian bretherins do.

[@Hajde_budalla]

Albanias religion is Albanians. Albanians in NM forget this.

[@snoopyportfolio2072]

Albanism. Christianity and Islam they both changed, love for Albania on the other side never.

[@Bread-nx9fo]

Sit back, relax, and enjoy the comment war guys.

[@somedesertdude1308]

no

[@devilscry3737]

There aren't any we are all adults who respect other people's religion.

[@Bread-nx9fo]

@@devilscry3737 That isn't true I already see people arguing in the replies

[@devilscry3737]

@Bread-nx9fo are they spreading hate. If not it good in my book

[@skyline2601]

The comments here are surprisingly chill

[@isaiasr7517]

Janus, you should talk about the balkan diaspora in other countries around the world, like the Croatian one in Chile. definitely an interesting subject I would love to see you talking about it.

[@ericponce8740]

I visited Turkey in 2019, and for a Muslim Country, Turkey has many bars and nightlife clubs.

[@1405Production]

Turkey is the middle ground between Balkan Muslim and Arab Muslim

[@TamerJamal-op6ym]

turkey is quite secular, i heard they have the highest body counts or something. Very unmuslim

[@ES-pb1qq]

Depends on where u went. In big cities like istanbul and tourist areas like antalya this is true but in more rural areas you wont find these things.

[@saifag6685]

u can see the same thing in lebanon, tunisia and other muslim countries

[@1405Production]

@@ES-pb1qq facts

[@pitushi]

Albanian here: "Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself !!" . Great video, cheers!!

[@handledis]

Hahaha tell this to a kid xd

[@freedomgoddess]

-george carlin, the biggest albanian to ever keep it real

[@execgrhvx]

Same in Bosnia! It's a big shame for Bearded Muslims to tell you that your not a Muslim, that's why they're so quite lmao.

[@watermonke4599]

As an Albanian I can confirm I get drunk to celebrate Eid

[@blackbot2326]

When u go to hell u will understand why u shouldn't do that

[@MassachusettsTrainVideos1136]

Based

[@isathefulani]

Replacing your good deeds with bad 😂😂😂

[@saifeddinemtaallah9193]

😂😂😂 يصلي العيد و يعيد و البيرة حكك و ضربان الزك

[@Umar-qy3bd]

@@isathefulani Not to mention boasting about it too

[@shabankullolli1499]

I don't know about Bosnians, but as an Albanian myself I can say this: - Albanians in Kosovo are way more religious than Albanians in Albania - In Albania the consumption of pork is not a major taboo - The new revival of Islam in Albania is way more conservative than the form of Islam traditionally practiced here - The main reason of this revival is the funding coming from Turkey and the Arab-speaking countries - Mixed marriages have been a tradition in Albania and only got even more prominent during the communist regime - The religious tolerance in Albania is quite an anomaly ( on the good sense of it ) compared to other countries with different religious groups

[@mohi6699]

This video is inaccurate in many ways. The idea that "some pogroms happened here and there" is flawed, as there was a systemic effort to eradicate Muslims from southern and western Serbia, perpetuated by Karađorđe, continued by Miloš Obrenović and others. In Bosnia, we have an expression from this time, that goes "Gdje svi turci, tu I mali Mujo", which is about Serbs expelling a guy named Mujo, who helped them from Užice. The idea that Bosnian Muslims held syncretic beliefs was true, to an extent, but you have overblown it far too much, Hungarian. While yes, in the early stages of the Ottoman conversion it did happen in nearly all areas, as the families continued practicing Islam for 2 or 3 generations, they embraced Islam not too dissimilar from the Turks. This can be seen by Turkish sufi orders, and madrasahs being present. Again going to the idea of Ethnic exchange, the only real case happened in the 20th century, between the Greeks and Turks, as for the others the exchange was only one way, with the Muslims being ethnically cleansed and massacred. In Northern Montenegro, Muslims were either a majority or a large minority, and Njegoš literally wrote a poem about massacring them. Also, in Bosnia, while alcohol prohibition is not enforced, before it was highly criticized and alcoholics were ostracized, only with the arrival of Drug Tito was alcoholism widely accepted. Even now, there is an enormous stigma about eating pork, with even my non-practicing friends refusing to eat it. Overall, decent video 6/10, but with many inaccuracies.

[@gj7710]

Interesting... anyway, the name 'Mujo' is an old name, pre-Ottoman era, here in Albania as well.

[@chaosgamer016_5]

One of my Bosniak friends told me that they don't eat pork in front of other Bosniaks in fear of getting ridiculed or judged by other religious Bosniaks

[@je4270]

Muslims have no place in Europe.

[@raeedislam5177]

@mohi6699 I completely agree(as someone who read alot about Bosnia).This comment should get the most upvote Also I would like to add making syncretic beliefs seem solely like a Balkan thing is quite misleading.Say traditionally Indonesian Islam(with previous Buddhist/Hindu influences) or Sub Saharan African Islam(with African animist traditions) is more different to Islam than Islam with Balkan Christian traditions. The impression I got while reading was that Bosnian Muslim secularity derives from 1)Communist rule and 2)Austro-Hungarian rule and the spread of secularism during the Kingdom of Yugoslavia(to a lesser extent). Also agree with your point regarding alcohol. You could say even Afghanistan had a rich tradition relating to alcoholic beverages but that even despite that alcohol is probably most unacceptable there among the entire Islamic world.As you say Tito was the reason. For context: "Afghanistan currently has about 60,000 hectares (150,000 acres) of areas cultivating grapes and excellent climate and terroir suitable for quality wine.[5] While the history of wine goes back much longer, viticulture seems to have been well established in parts of Afghanistan by at least the fourth century BC.[6] It is said that Babur, the first Mughal emperor, learned about wine in Kabul.[7] His autobiographical memoirs, the Baburnama, is said to mention especially neighboring Istalif (the name possibly derived from Greek staphile, grape), "with vineyards and orchards on either side of its torrent, its waters cold and pure".[7] The Mughal Empire received high quality wine from the Indus valley and Afghanistan.[8] Medieval times saw a comparably flourishing wine production, which was ended in the 18th century.[5] The 1960s saw trials to restart production, which was ended by the Taliban. Around 1969, a French survey estimated that (larger) vineyards covered about 37,500 hectare and 2% of the arable land.[9] The largest part of vineyards was close to Herat, Kandahar and Kabul; smaller areas have been found on the northern border.[9] The French survey has focused on the largest professional vineyards, but mentions grapes being grown in various gardens, even at 2,400 m altitude in Nuristan Province.[9] A 1968 estimate related to a local aid program came to 60,000 hectares (150,000 acres) overall.[10] By comparison, Austrian wine is grown in an area of about 51,000 hectares (130,000 acres).[11] The main current production is around Kabul and goes - for religious reasons - mostly into juice and raisins."

[@ElAlbanese]

This is my stance on this as a practicing Muslim Albanian from Kosovo (least complicated identity in Balkans): First of all I want to talk about the Ottomans and their rulership on the Balkans. This is not to defend, neither to slander them. Conquests like that were nothing new. They have happened for centuries before that, also from Christians. Making the Ottomans look like the devil of the earth because of that is understandable if ur a Christian from the Balkans, but it is subjective at the end of the day. This obviously doesn't make that feeling towards them invalid, but it isn't the "truth" or "only true way" to view that either. Again, I as a Muslim am not defending their procedures at the time and the way they acted, and how they handled the conquest. I should even say that some of the things mentioned in the video are unislamic. It's almost universally agreed upon, that shortly before and while the Ottoman empire started to fall, the Sultans acted unislmaically. Forcefully converting someone to Islam is just as nonsensical as it is forbidden in Islam. The Jizya (tax payed by non Muslims under Islamic rule) has been historically lower than the zakat (a form of charity/tax in Islam, a duty for every Muslim) in Islamic tradition. If a non Muslim was not able to pay that Jizya, they were not forced to become Muslim (Besides that: I don't even understand how that would work and why people would do that, since Religion is a deeply personal thing linked to personal CONVICTION) but they were exempt from it completely, or had to pay a lower amount than the usual (around 1,5%, while zakat is 2,5%). Also, they were exempt from taking part in wars, and also got protection from Muslims. Again, there were deviations from this, and these things have been implemented wrong in history to. But the empires that implemented these rules the way they should've been, were doing the best. For me personally an example for Muslims living together with non Muslims under Islamic rule is the Anadlusia Kingdom. Maybe it wasn't perfect, but still definitely acknowledgeable. Now: Muslims living in the Balkans and how they are perceived: It's true that Muslims in the Balkans are said to be not very religious or practicing. I would make an distinction here. For most of the Muslims in the Balkans (personal experience!) I've noticed that they believe in God and the judgement, they just weren't really practicing the religion. Even simple things like drinking alcohol as u mentioned or going to nightclubs etc. The view non Muslims in the Balkans have of these Muslims were earned by the Muslims themselves. I hold a believe that us Muslims, should show themselves from the best side, not to deceive others, but to show them the true implementation of the religion in day to day life. Of course I can't, and I'm not demanding it from anyone, it's just an idealistic view I hold in my head. At least where I am from though, I've seen a trend of younger people becoming more religious than the generations before them. Also, one of the most prominent scholars of Islam in modern times was from Albania (sheikh Al-Albani). That's mentioned just to show another side of it. Lastly: Coexistence of religions in the Balkans (example of Albanians): Christian Albanians and Muslims live together in harmony. You will rarely see verbal "conflicts". Even people that call themselves Muslim will call other practicing Muslims out for being an extremist, Because they have a beard. There are always dumb people like this, but they are rather rare. This example is only there to highlight that conflicts are mostly personally driven rather than religiously. The fictional (maybe even real) example of the pub near the mosque is probably a Christian hotspot, not necessarily a showcase of Muslim duality in the Balkans. Also, maybe the brutal communism and dictatorship of Albania and the banning of Religions made them Realize that as long as they are allowed to practice their religion, they are also cool with others doing that. They just had to get through the suffering implied onto them by enver Hoxha. What I can finally say about this: I know the video was aimed to showcase more of a Christian, eurocentric view on that matter, and you did it in a way that didn't make me feel attacked or slandered as a Muslim. At least after watching it once. I am sure that Muslims and Christians can coexist in the Balkans on a large scale, just as they coexist in Albania and Kosovo for example. Religiously I would argue there is little problems to that. The thing that stands in its way is nationalism, a thing that's unthinkable to take out of the Balkans.

[@ElAlbanese]

Also something we have to keep in mind. The whole Muslims drinking alcohol and eating pork (never seen the pork eating anywhere done by Muslims but aight) is a struggle and a sin they are facing. It doesn't take them out of the fold of Islam. You can believe and be Muslim and sin.

[@krimokrimov6050]

@@ElAlbanese I am from an Arab country ,drinking alcohol is present, but it is a minority. As for eating pork, it's almost non-existent and is completely rejected by society as if it is a departure from religion, unlike drinking alcohol, which is socially rejected also but not so much Ramadan fasting has a very great importance in society, even more than prayer. As for women, half of the younger generation are veiled and the other half are not, and for veiled women their veils are not completely modest , Relationships without marriage are widespread in the young generation but there is an attempt to hide them from the family especially from the girl, but sex in relationships outside marriage is limited

[@bossyt6980]

​@@krimokrimov6050 my friend, it's non existent, we don't have pork

[@ElAlbanese]

@krimokrimov6050 in our country it's quite similar. Women here are less veiled than in your country, relationships before marriage are common but almost always end in marriage especially if family is involved. Unfortunately a lot of sex outside of marriage is quite present.

[@GaiesonRolf]

(Al-Baqarah: 191). (Al-Baqarah: 193). (Al-Baqarah: 216). (Al-Baqarah: 217). (Al-Baqarah: 244). (Al-Nisa: 74). (Al-Nisa: 76). (Al-Nisa: 84). (Al-Nisa: 89). (Al-Ma'idah: 33). (Al-Anfal: 12). (Al-Anfal: 17) (Al-Anfal: 39) (Al-Anfal: 60) (Al-Anfal: 65). (At-Tawbah: 12) (Surat At-Tawbah: 5) (At-Tawbah: 16) (Surat At-Tawbah: 29) (At-Tawbah: 36) (At-Tawbah: 73) (Al-Ahzab: 26 & 27) /Muhammad: 14) (Muhammad: 35) Is Islam Still the Religion of Peace? Or a Satanic Ideology😱

[@ausom143]

I am curious, where was all the information taken from? I do not hear nor see any sources

[@asdf-sr1ny]

Turks drink alcohol as well

[@1405Production]

The Turks closer to the Balkans are similar to the Balkans, the ones closer to the Middle East are more religious just like the Middle East

[@Ктоя-ь1м]

True, my aunt from my Turkish side of the family is a huge alcoholic, despite being muslim

[@TasPan666]

of course they do, they have awesome wine and rakjia and tsipouro, ouzo like greeks etc

[@Arkantos1900]

Depends on the Turk. Western Turks are pretty much Balkaners.

[@Kral_Cihan]

Because they idolize Atatürk and the man literally died of a bad liver💀

[@tzimisce1753]

Surprisingly objective. Well done, I will allow you to say burek with cheese. There used to be a minority of Croat muslims before too. There are Ottoman registers of soldiers by name and origin where they list who is of what ethnicity, but they were all muslims. At the battle of Mohacs, there were many Bosnians, quite a few Croats, some Albanians and Bulgarians. Bartol Kasic wrote about how entire towns in Slavonia would convert, and how there's not enough clergy to keep the laymen educated enough to prevent such mass-conversion events. Later when the Austrians took control of Croatia, many Croats voluntarily converted back to Catholicism, while any Bosnians left behind (in Lika and Slavonia where many Bosnians had estates) were converted by force. Austria and the western powers had plans to "re-christianize" Bosnia upon annexing it. But they weren't able to, because they realized that unlike Croats and Serbs who had Catholicism and Orthodoxy to return to after the Ottomans left, the Bosnian Church was neither Christian (unless you count dualism & negation of the crucifixion and divinity as Christian) nor did it exist anymore. It was destroyed on the request of the pope in 1442 or 1444 in exchange for help against the Ottomans, but the help never came, and the Bosnians never forgave the king nor the Christian world for erasing their religion. So the Bosnians became some kind of DIY spiritualists (the Catholic church nominally claimed them as parishioners, but the people still enforced removal of crosses, icons and Bibles which were not written in Bosnian) for a long while (until around the Battle of Mohacs actually, when suddenly many more converted to Islam), and the Ottomans regularly doubted their sincerity, to the point that they issued a special edict where Bosnian muslim children had to be taken into devshirme even if they and their families were muslims, because they practiced Islam very neglectfully. The Ottomans invented a story later to make sense of the anomaly, saying that the Bosnians willingly offered their children to Mehmed II to bring with him to Istanbul for training and service in the Ottoman army. It's an anachronism because this trend came later after the stigma of conversion wore off, even though there's documents that say that the Bosnian people started cheering for the Ottomans (even during the life of the last Bosnian king) to win in the power struggle between them and the Hungarians for who would dominate the Balkans, after it became clear that Bosnia would be conquered by one or the other. By the 17th century, Bosnians and Albanians had so thoroughly infiltrated the Ottoman military- and administrative systems, that it worked in their favor. And so it was the college of that time for any family to send their child to receive a land title, a salary and special rights, so much so that Paul Rycaut says that Bosnian was a second language in Istanbul because there were so many Bosnian soldiers there when he worked in the city in 1659.

[@ugljen]

Sometimes, I really pop into rare jewels in youtube comments, and yours is one of those. All that you have written is true, except for one thing: there are still few Croat muslim families who survived the centuries. And that is always hard to explain to someone who doesn’t really understand the historics of the crazy Balkans. I tip my hat to you.

[@noobatlife8975]

i hate how did you give a forcing image about Islam 😐

[@Sion-No1]

TRUE image about Islam in The balkans

[@pur3_kill.]

@@Sion-No1 Respectfully you don't know what you're talking about. In the Qur'an in surah al baqarah, Allah the most high says "لا اكراه في الدين" - That there is no compulsion in religion. How could you ever ascribe a practice to a religion when that religion clearly prohibits it? The muslims during their wars from the early generations never imposed islam on anyone except that they accepted it by their own will. Where some doubts lie is the fact that *during war*, where both sides are killing each other. It is haram (not permitted) for a muslim to kill another muslim. There are ahadith saying that even lifting metal against a brother causes the angels to curse you. Now, the other side have three choices - battle to the death, surrender and become a prisoner of war, or accept islam and stop fighting against the muslims, and rather start fighting with them. If a non-believer wants to save himself temporarily in this world, he could easily lie and say that he is a muslim, and become a hypocrite that pretends to believe in order to save his own life. If they want to reject islam *during the war*, they can die. This law is a mercy, and is in no way a right of theirs, until they become muslim.

[@stefanenderman338]

Because you were filthy invaders

[@maddraugr4667]

Fu-(k Islam and the illiterate pedo that they worship.

[@Skittlez998]

Truth hurts. It’s a cult. Just like Zionism or Evangelicals.

[@marzan6561]

People are not proud of eating pork and drinking beer tho, alcohol is an addicting drug and pork is mostly popular in muslim populations in christian countries like Serbia or Bulgaria. If a religious person is sinning, it does not take him out of the religion.

[@shwanmirza9306]

Depends. If they actually enjoy it and reject the rule like saying "Pork isn't haram", they aren't Muslims anymore

[@marzan6561]

@shwanmirza9306 but nobody does that, it's common knowledge

[@shwanmirza9306]

@marzan6561 Some fake Muslims do exist

[@marzan6561]

@@shwanmirza9306 minority.

[@fugitivelibra2109]

i hate this video he explained history in tiktokers way

[@Just_a_turtle_chad]

So it's basically a more westernized version of Islam

[@Xfeum]

Secularized, basically

[@wasdkug_tr]

Basically a Westernized Version of Turkey's Islam, which is more moderate

[@Warcriminal-19983]

Turks made islam right

[@andreicrisan5526]

Ironically, a more westernized version of Islam than the Islam you find in the actual West.

[@SiPakRubah]

I mean, technically

[@zekouus]

Never ever in Kosova, i saw pork. You can search in all stores they are no pork meat. It's true that they drink alcohol being "muslims." But nobody eats pork, and the food is halal everywhere. No offense, i just replied to the KZbinr, saying in Ballkan, muslims eat pork.

[@JanoKapaj]

Have you ever been to Albania? Its true out of all Albanians , the ones in kosovo try to follow islam a bit but the overall population doesnt care at all.

[@OGDamage]

Yes there is pork hahahahaha you dont know anything about kosova my friend, in gjakova, klina, peja there is Prok EVERYWHERE lol

[@ineax7447]

In Bosnia some Muslims also eat pork

[@per4n]

Kosovo i Metohija has Rakija and Pork everywhere

[@OGDamage]

@@per4n no metohija cetnik hahaha

[@ImranSharif-hv6mn]

Drinking alcohol and eating pork is a sin but that doesn’t make you not Muslim. Tbh even Albanian Muslims even though they aren’t religious are still more religious then most European and American Christians who basically only celebrate Christmas and Easter and that’s it.

[@mo_chiko_0]

Your accurate. Those who are saying they aren’t muslims are just some christians who can’t accept they are muslims. Balkans are getting more in to religion.

[@pupsap7714]

Whats the point in believing if youre going to commit every sin known to man? Knowing you will go to hell?

[@thekickanoragm8559]

It's important to highlight the fact that since the islamic culture and ottoman higher culture in general was heavily influenced by Persians, who themselves had a very liberal interpretation of Islam, the sharia taught and spread around Anatolia was anything, but strict. For instance, being absolutely wasted on wine and wine-like drinks was a common practice among sultan's close circle, not to mention various acts of extramarrital affairs, commonly practiced by vizirs and governors. Ottoman Empire was an insane place.

[@laisphinto6372]

Also the Term Harem famous today for Anime genre literally comes from the ottomans,also Belly dancers etc etc. Muslims treat that Shit Like very loose guidelines toaybe FLEX ON No Muslims but behind closed Doors oh

[@alpceylan]

Alcohol and “extramarital acts” does not mean secularism… What was different about Ottomans was Turks was a nomadic group that didnt have an established religion culture and their homeland was a really multicultural place like Anatolia and Balkans. I don’t think secularism was inherited from Persian culture, as two biggest religion states of the world right now, Iran and Afghanistan, are Persian…

[@sambryce321]

Well if it wasn't insane it wouldn't be balkan

[@drewwendell]

The often flagrant disregard for prevailing cultural restriction by the elites is a common attribute of elites everywhere, regardless of sectarian particulars. Being "bad Muslims" doesn't make the elites more tolerant or less Muslim.

[@freelow3266]

Yeah have you seen Saudi. Iran is more religious than them.

[@hanefar11]

Picking music from Stronghold Crusader is a top of the shelf's choice. Absolutely awesome video!

[@rollsroyce4249]

So you are saying that Balkan muslims are like Protestant Christians?

[@Joel86543]

I don't know about bosnia but in Albania even less religious than protestants in the west. I would say more than half of them have never stepped foot on a mosque and most of the others have been to churches(historic ones)more than they have been in a mosque.

[@samiman5606]

@rollsroyce4249 Mybe because they have bactashi school is not sunni schools of course like maliki sunni school ( north Africa and Syria and Maldives ) or chafii school sunni ( Egypt and Iraq) or hanafi school sunni (all turk country's with Afghanistan and Pakistan and India) or hanbali school sunni like ( Saudi and all gollf countries)

[@Samsung-1.9Cu.Ft.Microwave]

Both probably couldn't name a single Bible/Quran verse

[@SchnuppenSchnappe]

@@Samsung-1.9Cu.Ft.Microwave They can but totally out of context

[@coyotelong4349]

More like Jack Muslims

[@amiwho3464]

"taking shots after prayer". Come on man... Didn't know u were the kinda guy that takes cheap points like that

[@TheImmortalArt]

As Bosnian, you have a lot of misinformations! Pork and alcohol in Muslim world? WTF?

[@twelvetoes-e9n]

I F*CKING LOVE how masters thesis these videos are getting. Keep it up yall.

[@pablo_giustiniani]

Islam: "alcohol is haram!" Turkey and Bosnia: "Lol, Lmao even."

[@KDO90]

Smerbia: "It's actually us."

[@Exocrotic-yn2ck]

This info is wrong because there are drinkers everywhere except Saudia and Afghanistan but that's it, also it wasn't Haram before during Seljuks and Abbasids.

[@pur3_kill.]

@@Exocrotic-yn2ck كل مسكر حرام - every intoxicant is haram. This is a well known hadith, and clearly prohibits every intoxicant, including alcohol.

[@jdjdurueurjfufufufufufu4925]

​@@Exocrotic-yn2ck لاتفتري الكذب الخمر حرام بنص القرآن شربه خطيئة ولكن إذا شربته وانت تعتقد أنه ليس حرام فهذا كفر مخرج من الملة

[@ausom143]

​@@Exocrotic-yn2ck it was haram already at the time of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW). It was haram very early on.

[@Rudero3]

A feel a few more tidbits need said about the Ottoman Islam/Christian divide. If Christians or Jews had committed a crime in their own community, against another Jew or Christian, they were tried in their OWN courts, it was only when it was a crime involving a Muslim that the laws became OVERTLY imbalanced. In the Orthodox Christian community, I know from tales from my grandparents, the clergy usually acted as judges in our disputes. I am assuming rabbis did the same for the Jewish community. Also, while Christians paid higher taxes, and the jizya, tax on non-Muslims, they didn't have to serve in the army. When Tanzimat came in the like 1840s, and Christians were not drafted into the army WITHOUT forcing a conversion, that pissed a lot of Christians off, accelerating the breakup of the Ottoman Balkans. Furthermore, once a year the Muslims had to pay a massive "alms giving" tax, that was like a huge percentage of their yearly income, and while it went to mosques and madrasas, the Ottoman sultans would also use to target families that were amassing so much wealth that they could threaten the state. Köprülü Mehmed Pasha famously targeted wealthy families, Muslim ones, to acquire the funds needed to pay the army. I actually think the Ottomans were more oppressive in Asia than they were in the Balkans, since I know the Ottoman state tended to neglect and outright despise the semi-nomadic Turkic peoples that made up eastern Anatolia (despite the House of Osman being of that extraction). I am not criticizing the video, I am simply adding more things about the Ottoman court system, which I have always found fascinating, since they had 3 separate law codes, the Millet system (Jews and Christians), the Sharia law (Muslims), and then Sultanic law, which applied to everyone and often contradicted Islamic law since it could be traced back to more Central Asian traditions. Anyways, I love this video, I find the Ottoman period of the Balkans so fascinating, there's no shortage of information that you can latch onto and really like, go down a rabbit hole on. Like some histories are flat out fucking boring and impossible to dive into, not Ottoman history and certainly not Balkan history.

[@aleksaradojicic8114]

To first point about courts, what type of case was important. What we would call civil (law) case now, would be judged by community court if it happened betwen members of same community. If such type of case happened betwen members of different communities, case would be in juristiction of Islamic court. Criminal cases on other hand, were primarely in juristiction of Islamic courts, if alternative arragment did not exist betwen Ottoman state and specific group.

[@rodneydelboy6910]

But the christans payed a blood tax

[@mnd9166]

​@@aleksaradojicic8114Yeah giorgios from a random village in southern greece would have to travel to macedonia or crete because he killed his neighbor.

[@mitchyoung93]

Dude basically all the landowners were Bosniaks (Muslims), so Muslims got 1/3 of Christian produce off the bat. Christians (Orthodox mostly) were subject to all sorts of arbitrary laws like, as noted, not being able to ride a horse, build churches (at all), repair churches, ring bells (part of Christian tradition), carry weapons. Moreover they faced waves of persecution, particularly after the Ottomans started losing. The word for the Christian peasantry was 'rayah', literally the flock of sheep to be shorn of their produce.

[@mnd9166]

@@mitchyoung93 most landowners were Turks and Albanians, not bosniaks. hell idk if there was even a single bosniak one. And up until 18th century they were state appointees not hereditary. All of the things you list as being illegal were illegal in Muslim millets namely anatolia and thrace, not in christian millets namely serbia, romania, greece.

[@Lightscribe225]

Man started a religious war in the comments section.

[@catverpasha]

This Guy is a Propaganda master

[@rommul1389]

Bullshit. They definitely don’t eat pork and when I was in Novi pazar you could feel you are in a Muslim majority area. You couldn’t buy alcohol in a shop but had to find a Serbian owned bar.

[@snoopyportfolio2072]

@@rommul1389 Visit Albania lmao

[@execgrhvx]

Good that you feel that way. You got a diploma for being a genocidal people. This means its more important for us to make you feel that way than being a Muslim. You tried to eradicate us, but you actually made us stronger. Now enjoy being alone in Europe. Ciao tutti

[@jaif7327]

i once knew a bosnian who drinks alcohol like its water but draws the line at TV for some reason, calls it "haram". he was from zenica btw

[@RexGalilae]

Surprisingly unbiased and thorough for a Balkan person

[@leonhardeuler7647]

Kinda racist, but I cannot disagree. To be fair you could say that about most of Eastern Europe, not just Balkans. And let's be honest, if János could talk about the Romani in even a slightly nice way, then there is nothing to worry about.

[@ixmar9994]

there is always a hint of bias included even if its a "meme"

[@justsefa1843]

If you ignore the parts he is entirely wrong about or downplays: Yes.

[@dawg4135]

Your merch store doesn’t work. It says account has been suspended for at least a month now.

[@carlisaabell1937]

Thanks!

[@LivingIronicallyinEurope]

Thank you!

[@3mar00ss6]

bro using Muslim and arab interchangeably

[@shiva-kp2vr]

Estağfurullah, please take this Thumbnail off. Literary no Balkan muslim eat pork.

[@Talestime0]

Fascinating overview of the rich history and cultural impact of Islam in the Balkans! It's incredible to see how diverse traditions and faiths shaped the region over centuries.

[@Mxmxet]

Thank Allah im Muslim

[@AAA22323]

This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

[@BreadLobby]

Yeah hes probably never even been to the balkans huh

[@KhaleelUlRahman1988]

Compared to all other scriptures, the Qur'an is the best preserved in both the hearts of Muslims and the written copies of the codex (muṣḥaf)-a manifestation of Allah's promise to protect Divine revelation from distortion: Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its Guardian.

[@LordMegatherium]

A video on the Balkans AND religion? I'm sure this will give me some clarity without dedicating my whole life to studying it. Still: thanks for any pointers my brain will retain.

[@sado44]

Arabs don't practice perfect Islam either. I mean you said it yourself, getting models from Eastern Europe is unislamic, because most of those cases are adultery ot worst. Plus lot of Arabs smoke, and smoking is on level of Alcohol in terms of harming health and Muslims are realizing that both are haram on same level. Plus we Balkan Muslims might not be perfect but there is still many who are very religious and spend their days praying and doing good deeds. Islam in Balkans has been praised many times, for people are very devout and love God as much as anybody from Saudia Arabia would. We might be little different, but we are not inferior Muslims. Just come to Sarajevo during Ramadan when its 27th night, and you will feel peoples spirituality and love for their faith and God.

[@marzan6561]

Yeah sinning doesn't take you out of the religion.

[@AdnanLak-nt3zr]

نحن لا نمارس دين بل نموت من أجله الاسلام هو كل شئ ايها المهرج لا تقارنا مع امتالكم . هناك علمانيين ولكن هم الأقلية كل لحم خنزير وصمت لا تتحدت عن أشياء لا تعرفها

[@wakilahmedb20344]

This bastardisation of Islam also exists in South Asia but after couple of revolutions by South Asian Muslims during British rule to axe such innovations the local superstitions and practices declined, we limited it and embraced Islam without the local superstitions. We still have ppl believing in regional superstitions but mostly limited in rural pockets of the region.

[@Vagabund92]

Balkan Islam is heavily shaped by the Sufism of it's janissaries. The Balkans never had an Islam like saudi salafism. Albania now wants to establish a Vatican-style area for exactly this janissary order called Bektashi. The are far more liberal and yet they are more traditional Islam than all the salafi tiktok sheikhs.

[@mueezadam8438]

The core Arab league member state apparatuses are the engineers of their own destruction. Hated by Muslims because of their racism and hated by Arabs because of their sectarian prejudice.

[@pur3_kill.]

How can one be liberal and traditional at the same time. It is a contradictory way of living.

[@stefandimitrov6187]

0:50 this image is from a Bulgarian History book representing the battle of Adrianople in 1205 opposing the Bulgarians against the crusaders of the Latin Empire and not the one in 1365

[@Dfathurr]

5:55 regarding Alcohol, i want to add something See. Ban of Alcohol in Islam is a bit differ compared to ban of Pork in Islam. Ban of Pork is clearly stated in Quran so basically none dared to challenge. Alcohol, meanwhile, is not clearly stated in Quran and mostly refer either to Hadith or consensus of clergy. Yes there's word "Khamr" which translated as "intoxicating substances" that can include Alcohol. There's still a substantial debate on the amount allowed. In addition, Balkans (Turkiye included) follow Hanafi jurisprudence, which is the most lenient towards this issue (Claiming that as long as it's not in amount that can make you drunk, and you don't drink before praying, it's still allowed) compared to other Islamic Jurisprudence (which straightforwardly not allowed even a single drop)

[@ProtomanButCallMeBlues]

izlam is a religon of pygs

[@jasonfromguitarcenter]

If It’s In Hadith, Then Everything In That Shit Is A Lie By Default.

[@jdjdurueurjfufufufufufu4925]

أنا عربي والقرآن يقول اجتنبوا والإجتناب اشد من قول حرام لانه يشمل الشرب والبيع والتصنيع و التسويق النص في الحديث النبوي ملعون من شرب الخمر أو جلس في مجلس خمر أو كن باع الخمر أو من أوصل الخمر أو من سقى شخصاً الخمر

[@budalabudo2250]

What is important to note thst cultural Muslims becomes practicing because they want to. They are not happy with the way they live and they want to try something new. Some turn extreme, some stay regular, avoiding haram and commiting their life to Islam.

[@aureliussch.2185]

The Great Schism of 1054, which split Christianity into the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox branches, played probably the most crucial role in the complex process of Islamization in the Balkans. It entrenched the division between the Catholic West and Orthodox East, leading to centuries of religious and political rivalry. As the Ottomans advanced into the Balkans, they found a region already divided along religious and cultural lines. For example, under the rule Serbian King Stefan Dušan for example, all Catholics were persecuted, including those Albanians of the Catholic faith. After the Battle of Kosovo in 1389 Serbian rule in Kosovo started to weaken and Ottoman Islam was first introduced in Kosovo, with the first mosques being built in Pristina, Vushtrri and Prizren. The schism also set the stage for deeper conflict between Catholic and Orthodox Christians in the region. During the Ottoman conquest, many Catholic regions, like parts of Bosnia, Croatia, and Hungary, found themselves caught between the pressures of Ottoman expansion and the influence of Catholic Europe. Some of these populations, particularly in areas where Catholicism had weak roots, converted to Islam, partly as a response to Ottoman dominance but also because the Catholic powers (like the Papacy and later the Habsburgs) were often perceived as foreign and adversarial. The Ottoman conquest and the subsequent division between Catholic and Orthodox spheres of influence in the Balkans gave rise to opportunities for Muslims to act as a unifying force in a divided region. Muslim elites often positioned themselves as intermediaries between the Orthodox peasants and the Catholic powers, gaining both political and economic benefits in the process. One of the key reasons the Ottomans spared the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople after the fall of Constantinople in 1453 was its strategic role in serving as a diplomatic and religious intermediary, particularly against the Catholic West. When the Ottomans, under Sultan Mehmed II, conquered Constantinople, they recognized the Ecumenical Patriarch as the leader of the Eastern Orthodox Christians within their empire. Rather than obliterate the Patriarchate, they incorporated it into the administrative framework of the empire. The Patriarchate, headed by the Ecumenical Patriarch, was seen as an essential part of maintaining control over the Orthodox Christian population and ensuring their loyalty to the Ottoman rulers. Furthermore, the Ottomans understood that the Patriarchate could be used as a tool in broader geopolitical maneuvering, especially in relations with the Catholic powers of Europe. Since the Byzantine Empire had long been in conflict with the Catholic Church, the Ottoman Empire could use the Patriarchate as a way to foster divisions between Eastern Orthodox Christians and Catholic Christians, particularly in the context of the Ottoman struggle with the Catholic kingdoms of Europe. This was also important for the Ottomans in maintaining religious legitimacy and stability within their empire, as they were governing a highly diverse population that included Christians, Jews, and Muslims. The Patriarchate's position as a religious leader for the Orthodox Christians under Ottoman rule gave it a form of autonomy within the empire, and this relationship allowed the Ottomans to control the Orthodox Church without having to fully suppress it. In return, the Patriarch often had to act in ways that aligned with Ottoman interests, including discouraging alliances with the Catholic West and promoting the idea of loyalty to the Ottoman sultan. In short, after being stuck between a rock and a hard place, Catholics in the Balkans had no other choice but to convert of flee.

[@TyrantSolo]

This video shoulda been titled Islam in the lower hubgarian provinces of the Balkans

[@evladifat6322]

The Albanians lands are divided by the "Treaty Peace of London" in 1913. Kosovo, Shkupi, Manastir, Chameria, Presheva, Sanxhaku, Malesia are some Albanians territories outside todays Albania. PRIZREN LEAGUE Albanian unity 1878, after Nish given to ser*a cause Rusia war defeat

[@wtfdoiputhere]

as an Arab Muslim I always love to discover how my religion is practised outside the middle east so I'm happy to find this video thanks for sharing

[@je4270]

Worst religion ever

[@suwades]

This video is biased. Not a good source to learn

[@seawaves-k8j]

Are you serious

[@Tarik360]

Basically like some Indian Muslims got this Dharmo-islam thing going on some times either as Sufis or sunni/shia, Bosniaks and Albanians tend to have this number of Christiano/Secularo-Islam.

[@omaraalabou4953]

the comparison stands for ottoman era syncreticism, not so much now as many of those traditions died with communism and were not revived by the post communist balkan clerical institutions. Current balkan Muslims are either sunni Muslims with the same set of beliefs as the other billion sunnis or they are not religious and just hold on to it as a cultural identifier. Balkan Islam is not different from "arab" or "Iranian" Islam.

[@skyzocka]

As a muslim with roots from the balkans, being muslim equals being a peaceful, lovely, welcoming and love-sharing person. I thank you a lot for the informal video and remember everyone. If you have something against Islam or muslims, think deeper and read more about it. Muslims can't be terrorists or criminals, as it simply is STRICTLY forbidden in islam. The same as a christian, who does the same crimes or a jew. We are all one people, the only ones trying to divide us are politicians, because spreading hatred always works well. I love everyone and may your day be blessed with love ❤❤❤

[@GioBall]

Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …" Surah 47:4, “So, when you meet (in fight with) those who disbelieve, strike at their necks till you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (and take them as captives). After the war lays down its burden, then either show generosity (free them without ransom), or ransom (to benefit Islam). But (Allah adapted this way) in order to test some of you with others. Those who are killed in the way of Allah, Allah will never let their deeds be lost.” Surah 9:5, “When the forbidden (4) months of Islamic calendar have passed, then fight the polytheistic wherever you find them, capture them, besiege them, and prepare for them each, and every ambush. But if they repent, offer prayers perfectly, and give obligatory charity, then leave their way free. Surely Allah is forgiving merciful.” Surah 9:29, “ Fight against those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the last day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and Allah's messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam) among the people who were given the scriptures, until they pay the security tax willingly, and feel themselves subdued.” Surah 2:216, “Fighting (in Allah's cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it. It may be that you dislike a thing and it is good for you, and it may be that you like a thing and it us bad for you. Allah knows, but you do not know.”

[@A_Haunted_Pancake]

And yet ...

[@aqibjahangir1282]

I would say your understanding of Quran is very limited.

[@je4270]

Literally the definition of a terrorist

[@bavario1541]

Me as being a Serbian Muslim myself, i can only say that this is an amassing video.

[@E3GorillaGlueHHC]

Serbian muslim so cigan?

[@Donimali5]

Alhamduillah i am a albanian Islamist 🏴🇸🇦🇦🇱

[@Dwogrix]

Alhamdulillah

[@Sniper___]

w e l l w e l l w e l l (Kosovo je Srbija) ⊑ ☦︎ 🇷🇸 ꒌ ⊒ 🇦🇱⃠☪︎⃠

[@ISLAMMEHMEDOF-jt8iy]

​@@Sniper___in your dream 🇽🇰☪️🔪✝️🏳️‍🌈🇷🇸🖕🏻

[@notthisyourlight]

Proud of being enslaved and having your ancestors forced to revert haha You loser

[@jemand7488]

Na e qelbe flamurin o pall kariii

[@afrikasmith1049]

This video got me thinking about the Turkish minority who lives in Iraq. If I'm not mistaken they were targeted by ISIS and endured discrimination during Saddam's regime alongside other minorities.

[@ShubhamMishrabro]

Sad thing is not many people talk about this event just like how turkey doesn't talks about events which happened during ww1

[@viaqwerty8137]

Turkey weaponises Muslim/Turkic populations in neighbouring countries to interfere in their affairs and as a pretext for invasions and takeovers. It then also complains that those minorities are treated with suspicion and cries Islamophobia, even though no other Muslims have pillaged, looted and destroyed Churches and monasteries or Genocides Christians as they have.

[@sabel119]

this is the most neutral and factual take I've seen on this topic

[@np9872]

Now make a vid about how the muslims got tortured and literly eaten by christians in Andalusia and in Syria

[@ausom143]

Nah man wdym, that would not make muslims look like the bad guys!

[@tm2bow653]

But they still destroyed churches in Kosovo

[@bletrick3352]

Ok and?

[@senverdelic3787]

The biggest armouries in Kosovo are the churches.

[@1405Production]

That was for ethnic and national reasons, not religious reasons, Albanians in Kosovo did that because they didn’t like the false narrative of Serbs claiming Kosovo as their holy land when most of those churches were build recently to claim the land of Kosovo as theirs

[@Sniper___]

@@bletrick3352 total siptar Muslim deed ⊑ ☦︎ 🇷🇸 ꒌ ⊒ 🇦🇱⃠☪︎⃠

[@Sniper___]

@@1405Production So first of the siptars got help from Osama bin laden during the war against Serbs but they are pro American? They also are very famouse in the terror organisation ISIS in Austria this year was 2 terror attacks from Albanians in the name of Islam also well knowed as Isis some years ago it was also a Albanian Named [Kujtim Fezulaj] who killed allot of innocent austrian citizens like the siptars did with the Serbs in Kosovo There is also a statistik in the website statistica called (Belgium is the eu capital for foreign fighters) where they looked in whitch country ppl would go to fight for ISIS Albania&Kosovo was on the third Place and Bosnia on the 4rd what a suprise.... Not And also In the recent war against Assad there was and is maybe also still active in Syria a terror group named (xhemati alban) [Translated to Albanian Group] Is a jihadist group just with ethnical albanians around the Balkans/world They where first active under the terrorist name uck active against the Serbs then switched to the russian-ukraine war and where fighting official as jihadist group in Ukraine against Russia and then moved to Syria to fight against Assad And now to the last 1/2 years or maybe months ago I forgot Albanians have destruct Serbian churches and graves once again and where writing on the Serbian churches walls "we are Muslims get back aloha snackbar" they did the sameon 2014 just with the difference they where writing even pro Isis statements in the church walls after destroyed them like typical shit terrorists (If someone don't belive me they can google and research it) You see Islam and siptars are a dange or for not just serba in Kosovo but also for the rest of Europe Make Kosovo Serbia again and ban Islam ⊑ ☦︎ 🇷🇸 ꒌ ⊒ 🇦🇱⃠☪︎⃠

[@adrianmatei7809]

Great job with the HOMM3 background!

[@komnina99]

That guy on picture is not despot Djuradj Brankovic (1377-1456). Guy on picture is grof Djordje Brankovic (1645-1711).

[@MrMago11]

There is alot of misinformation here.

[@D4N4RR4N4D]

Where?

[@MrMago11]

@D4N4RR4N4D you can watch the video from bobby's perspective. He breaks it down on the important parts

[@sudoDie]

I think most of the stuff said is exagerated or deformated, for example, nobody goes praying and then go to a bar and drink beacause people drinking are not practicing muslims, they are in a phase of their life where they don't pray at all (maybe it will be their whole life tho) Anyway, video fails to explain the reality of islam in the balkans IMO

[@sky1566]

Your shop website is showing an account suspended page when trying to access it (I don't even have an account for it, first time clicking it).

[@AbuOgi96]

Proud muslim Albanian. 🇦🇱

[@sweataleishangthem3968]

Proud Kufr

[@AbuOgi96]

@sweataleishangthem3968 Proof ?

[@jemand7488]

Sna plas shm kari, mbaje per vete krenarine

[@Sniper___]

We know ya are proud terrorist and islamists and never be Europeans and that's why 👇🏻 So first of the siptars got help from Osama bin laden during the war against Serbs but they are pro American? They also are very famouse in the terror organisation ISIS in Austria this year was 2 terror attacks from Albanians in the name of Islam also well knowed as Isis some years ago it was also a Albanian Named [Kujtim Fezulaj] who killed allot of innocent austrian citizens like the siptars did with the Serbs in Kosovo There is also a statistik in the website statista called (Belgium is the eu capital for foreign fighters) where they looked in whitch country ppl would go to fight for ISIS Albania&Kosovo was on the third Place and Bosnia on the 4rd what a suprise.... Not And also In the recent war against Assad there was and is maybe also still active in Syria a terror group named (xhemati alban) [Translated to Albanian Group] Is a jihadist group just with ethnical albanians around the Balkans/world They where first active under the terrorist name uck active against the Serbs then switched to the russian-ukraine war and where fighting official as jihadist group in Ukraine against Russia and then moved to Syria to fight against Assad And now to the last 1/2 years or maybe months ago I forgot Albanians have destruct Serbian churches and graves once again and where writing on the Serbian churches walls "we are Muslims get back aloha snackbar" they did the sameon 2014 just with the difference they where writing even pro Isis statements in the church walls after destroyed them like typical shit terrorists (If someone don't belive me they can google and research it) You see Islam and siptars are a dange or for not just serba in Kosovo but also for the rest of Europe Make Kosovo Serbia again and ban Islam ⊑ ☦︎ 🇷🇸 ꒌ ⊒ 🇦🇱⃠☪︎⃠

[@Bombay_wali_clips]

​@@Sniper___bla bla bla, anyways