Islam in the Qur'an | What Did Islam Mean in the 7th Century? | Dr. Mohsen Goudarzi

This is a clip about the meaning of the term Islam in the Qur'an. Dr. Goudarzi explains his research into the cultic dimensions of the word Islam and what it would have meant to the 7th century hearers of the Qur'an. This clip is taken from my interview with Dr. Mohsen Goudarzi. If you enjoyed this video, please subscribe to the channel and like the video! Please be sure to check out the full interview here: • Mohsen Goudarzi: What ...

[@s.mathew3375]

*Appreciation for academic level research and studies❤from india*

[@SamStGeorge]

Alhojorat 14 debunks the slogan that Islam is submitting to Allah. But it means surrender to Allah’s messenger

[@bilosan97]

To 18:29: The best translation for 'Salaat' would be in my opinion the word 'devotion' since worshipping is also a type of devotion but it fits also in the context of God and His angels doing 'salaat' to the prophet or animals in the Quran

[@bilosan97]

Well that makes sense, because in a certain verse the conditions of to be 'muslim' (surrendered to God) or in 'Islam' (Surrender) so to say are clearly given: Say: "O people of the Book, let us come to a common understanding between us and between you; *1.* that we *serve none except God,* *2.* and that we *do not set up anything with Him,* *3.* and that *none of us takes each other as lords besides God.* " If they turn away, then say: *"Bear witness that we have surrendered (muslimoon/مُسْلِمُونَ)."* [Quran 3:64]

[@urbandsouza7279]

Don't put brackets. Let the text explai

[@bilosan97]

@@urbandsouza7279 Where did I put brackets with additional words into the translation besides the original arabic ---> (muslimoon/مُسْلِمُونَ)?? If you mean islam (Surrender) then it is already clear that Islam means Surrender. It's nothing new.

[@fedesetrtatio1]

Islam is not a religion but a political ideology with ambitiions of conquering the world. The religious claims of Islam is bogus and there is no evidence for these claims. 1. Where is the evidence that Allah the pre Islamic pagan God is Yahweh the true God of Abraham. 2. Where is the evidence that Mohammad was visited by angel Gabriel in the Hera Cave. 3. Where is the evidence that Adam/ Abraham built the Kaabah.

[@bhaashatepe5234]

@@bilosan97 So, when did the word ISLAM meaning submission become the name of a religion, a modern concept that didn't even exist in the 7th century? the word religion itself was introduced into the English Language in 1200 AD? at that time, the word religion meant ritual or way of worship that was used to describe the way of worship within various Christian denominations. It means the meaning of the word religion had been through an evolution until it started to be understood as its modern meaning probably in 17th or 18th century (Brent Nongbri, 'Before Religion, a History of a modern concept'). So, what was ISLAM before RELIGION? Was ISLAM in the 7th century the brand of a religion?

[@bilosan97]

@@bhaashatepe5234 That is exacrly what I am trying to say. Islam is not a name of a religion but an act. So in the quranic context even christians and jews or even people who have not received scripture are 'muslim' (submitters) as long as they uphold the 3 conditions in the verse above.

[@wb7157]

Do you have a Video about the Hijab?

[@ultrasignificantfootnote3378]

I think that to serve only God in an literal way is an impossibility , because it seems obvious to me that we often serve our fellow humans and we even serve animals and plants when we take care of them. My question then is ,why does God ask impossible things of us ?

[@MuftiMasala]

Hmmm

[@fadiljelin7297]

God is in no need of our service. Our service does not in any way benefit God, nor does God depend in any way on our service or the lack thereof. This is repeated throughout the Quran. He is talking about worship of one God only, in the sense of seeking divine help and guidance from exclusively single deity the God, as opposed to other gods, idols, miraculous icons, saints- this is what is meant by worship. Quran also repeatedly asters that our service and obedience to his commandments in no way benefits God, but instead exclusively benefits ourselves, fellow human beings, and even animal, plant, and inanimate worlds and realms. Worship is reserved (seeking help, guidance, and having faith in) for the God alone (no angels, saints, icons, statues, other deities) while our service is aimed only benefits the God’s ourselves and creation. Quran says if we fail to follow God’s commandments we only harm ourselves not the God.

[@MuftiMasala]

how could a just God allow slavery and "right hand possessions" and many other "3vil" things@@fadiljelin7297

[@trappedinexistence]

"I think it is impossible therefore it is impossible" 😂

[@bhaashatepe5234]

@@MuftiMasala So, when did the word ISLAM meaning submission become the name of a religion, a modern concept that didn't even exist in the 7th century? the word religion itself was introduced into the English Language in 1200 AD? at that time, the word religion meant ritual or way of worship that was used to describe the way of worship within various Christian denominations. It means the meaning of the word religion had been through an evolution until it started to be understood as its modern meaning probably in 17th or 18th century (Brent Nongbri, 'Before Religion, a History of a modern concept'). So, what was ISLAM before RELIGION? Was ISLAM in the 7th century the brand of a religion?

[@ahsangamingchannel]

Mr Gabriel you said in your book Quran in its historical context that the cairo edition Quran 1924 had some minor adjustments or amendments later in 1924 and in 1936 you didn't give any reference from where you took that information from can you please answer where or which source did you took that information from ? And please tell me where can i find that source on Google if there is any ok i hope you reply

[@ExploringtheQuranandtheBible]

Thank you for your question. This information comes from the article "Printing of the Qur'an" by M. Albin in Brill's Encyclopaedia of the Qur'an. I hope you can access it online - if so look at volume 4, p. 272. Here is one bit: "The government, too, issued an edition reviewed by the identical committee in 1936 called the Fārūq edition, after the Egyptian king, Fārūq. The version was corrected by Shaykh Nasr al-Adli, chief corrector at the government (amīriyya) press. In addition to the signatures of the five persons involved, the work bears the seal of the Shaykh al-Azhar."

[@ahsangamingchannel]

@@ExploringtheQuranandtheBible are you saying they changed the text of Quran or improved the text of Quran?

[@IslamChannelUSA]

@4:08 "complete submission," etc. are to "Enter in "the Peace" (l-sil'mi / Islam) completely" Quran 2 208. Peace.

[@xrjx1511]

I read that "faith" is the 2nd most popular word in the Qur'an. What exactly is the definition of faith in Islam? Is faith the opposite of fact, namely the accepting that something is true without verifiable evidence?

[@negeto2460]

This is exactly what the true believers are searching for: the Islam of the Qur'an. NOT the garbage that the Sunnis and Shia are following

[@bhaashatepe5234]

the ISLAM of the Quran is DEEN ISLAM, meaning submission as the way of life. The ISLAM in the Quran doesn't mean the brand of a religion, because religion is a modern concept. There was no such thing as religion in ancient times. (brent nongbri 'before religion').

[@thepennydreadful95]

​@@bhaashatepe5234you really must love this book. However we can agree the word exists now and is useful in 2023.

[@user-lc5ix6qm5h]

@@bhaashatepe5234yes there was religion in ancient times. It’s called paganism or cult worship. That’s what religion is. This is where modern Muslims and Christian’s go wrong but saying they have a religion they are saying they have what paganism has

[@QuranicIslam]

The main point here seems mute to me. Because if God commands "active cultic actions", as plainly God/Qur'an does, then actualizing those commands actively is submission

[@MBiernat0711]

In the light of the importance of halal/ kosher food practices, it is striking how much Jesus’ teachings about “it is not important what you take into your mouth but what comes out of it” and his sharing meals with the “unclean” - how much Jesus would be perceived as a damned heretic in the religious circles. I’m assuming here that the relationship to food in Islam is based on the Jewish practices. We don’t really notice these things in the contemporary secular environment…. Just to think- if not for Jesus and Christianity - we might have been still stuck into ancient religious cult mentality where you have to sacrifice animals to gods before eating them … I always assumed that the “non importance for what you eat” is only about pork - BUT there is so much more - it is about animal sacrifice and blessing the food with gods’ names … it is as if Jesus were rejecting the whole religion here.

[@fedesetrtatio1]

Islam is a copy and paste religion.

[@fadiljelin7297]

You are missing the main point here. You also seem to be unaware that refusing to participate in Pagan sacrifices and feasting on sacrificed meat from altars to Pagan gods was a big deal for the early Church, and many early Christians chose martyrdom over participation in Pagan sacrifices and feasts. Many were thrown to the lions by the Romans for refusing to participate in Pagan sacrifices and sacrificial feasts. The main goal expressed in the Quran is not participating in Pagan sacrifices and feasts by partaking in meat from Pagan altars ( the same dilemma Cristians in Pagan Rome we’re facing). Something they did not touch on in the interview, is that Quran allows the Believers to eat meat from Christians and Jews. The point about hunting is more about avoiding consuming carrion which may be infectious (if dogs or falcon kills the pay, it is carrion and it may be infected from dog bite or falcons beak) and about being mindful when taking a life by remembering the Creator. This is more akin to the practices of native Americans and generally all indigenous hunter/gatherer cultures- where the hunter is asking for a permission and forgiveness from the Divine to take the life of His creation. Quran also makes the point that the blood and meat do not reach, please or appease God, but it is the believer’s mindfulness that reaches Him, and then instructs the believers to share the meat with the poor. So Qur’anic “sacrifice” is different from Old testament “burnt offering” where part of meat and blood is “sent” via smoke to God. Quran rejects that, instead it instructs the believers to fead the poor with the meat and be mindful of the creator when taking life that is created by God for food.

[@thepennydreadful95]

The context jesus said that was hand washing before a meal to his Pharisee critics, not many people would think he was munching down a bacon butty at the time.

[@MBiernat0711]

@@fadiljelin7297 your post is very informative and interesting- and Jesus is not Christian, but a Jew who apparently rejected Jewish practice inwardly, while keeping the practice outward. The first Christians did not know how to deal with it - they were torn between being good Jews and not being Jews at all. What came from Christianity today is non-Judaism with strong tendencies to honor the Jewish traditions. The Quran and Islam is grotesque- while recognizing that “blood does not reach Allah” - the whole Islamic system is based on sacrifice of the “believers” for the “cause of Allah and his messenger.” The notion of martyrdom and the necessity of war has been a threat to humanity now as much as it had been 1400 years ago. Islam, while keeping basic common sense practices as “feed the poor and the orphans” or “honor your parents” - Islam twists Christianity in that instead of Jesus dying on the cross, Islam creates a mindset when it is necessary for the believer to die while “defending” his religion. At the same time - the believer always feels under attack, even when there is no real attack - because the Quran devises a world divided between “believers” and “unbelievers” and where war thrives. Jesus was neither Jew, Christian nor Muslim - and by the Jewish or Muslim religion, he would be recognized as a heretic and apostate and sentenced to death. Some of today’s Christians would accept his teachings but most would reject him as well.

[@MBiernat0711]

@@thepennydreadful95 yes the context was hand washing - and the quote does not say “it is fine not to wash hands before eating” but extends into a general statement: “it is not important what you put into your mouth, but what comes out of it”. From hand washing - to food eating. We don’t eat our hands - do we ? In a world where Yehova kills a man for picking sticks on Shabbat and a woman is untouchable for bleeding- us, who do not grow up in the world of ritualistically “clean” and “unclean” - we don’t realize how much of a big deal for Jesus’s contemporaries was to pick grain on Shabbat, not wash hands, associate with women, and share meals with the “unclean”. A big damn deal.

[@sjmousavi8754]

Islam in the Quran has nothing to do with Islam as a religion. it means the process of peace-making between fighting rivals pro-Sasanid and Roman empire.

[@joek8948]

This guy talking so much but obviously never read a page of the q0ran.

[@thepennydreadful95]

😂 obviously 🤣 I guess anyone can be a Harvard professor and write books and papers of the Qur'an and it's relationship with late antique literature, without reading a single page of the Qur'an. But a random comment on KZbin has exposed his fraud 🤣