Israel, Hamas, and the Laws of War : The Theology Pugcast Episode 259

Working off a Breakpoint article written by Glenn, the guys discuss the situation in Israel and Gaza. Glenn begins with a brief overview of Zionism and the history of modern Israel before the discussion moves to the conduct of war, terrorism, and the worldview ideas that connect the woke left and Hamas.
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[@joshmarietta9158]

45:30 you can literally see Israeli government officials calling to wipe the animals out of Gaza. All the animals. It is insane how blind you are to one side. Are there people saying this about Israel too. Yes of course. How can you not point out and condemn both.

[@goyonman9655]

BoomerCons Old habits die hard

[@philknox]

It has nothing to do with boomers ( the Vietnam) generation and everything to do with national legitimacy. There is much extreme naivete here. The Israeli government will lose legitimacy, and political power, if they do not respond with ruthlessness. The Palestinians are not blameless here.

[@joshmarietta9158]

I have not seen one person say they support Hamas. People saying they are pro Palestine does not equal pro Hamas. I have not seen many people saying they support what Hamas did to Israel. You will always find some crazies over every issue on every side. The problem people have issue with is the unequivocal support no matter what one side does and the same dehumanization you state is on the one side toward the other. Half of Gaza are children. How can you as a Christian overlook that to see how you can condemn those kids being murdered. I feel you guys are insanely off track.

[@dagluterek2563]

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[@dagluterek2563]

Here is one of many.

[@brianholland5447]

Have you seen anyone at the rallies say that they are against Hamas, but for the Palestinians? Serious question, but we both know the answer! They want genocide! Which is why they chant "from the river to the sea..."

[@kevinjackson4933]

I certainly dont stand with the Palestinians, but I have no interest in America being involved in this at all. We need to draw some serious boundaries with Israel. If they need our eternal military might to live in the Middle East, then we and they need to rethink the future. We can barely defend ourselves at this point. We must focus on America.

[@goyonman9655]

Exactly

[@HarryNicNicholas]

whose side is god on though?

[@goyonman9655]

@@HarryNicNicholas Neither

[@kevinjackson4933]

He's against the murder of innocents, so he's against that on both sides, but one side is killing a lot more people, so if you make it about sides, he's probably on the opposite one. I think God would prefer if Christians were ruling over the Holy Land. @HarryNicholas @@HarryNicNicholas

[@joshmarietta9158]

1:02:16 9-11 is a very ironic reference but besides that. Israel lost 1400 and Gaza has lost over 8300 since the 7th. Your stance moved to another setting would have justification for destroying and bombing any city to stop the threat of BLM running roughshod. It is insanely messed up to think you could justify that response. Not because the “bad guys” don’t deserve that fate but because the innocent human life that you support sending to hell in the view that most of Palestine is Muslim. It’s mind blowingly callus.

[@philknox]

War is inherently political. But as far as your question the Israeli response is justified because of what happened Oct 7th. No other reason is necessary. This war will end when after enough suffering the Gazans decide that supporting Hamas, or someone like them, is not a good idea. War is not supposed to be fair. It is not supposed to be proportional. We have far more frequent wars because naive people impose insane and arbitrary rules that favor groups like Hamas. Hamas has the responsibility for dead Palestinian children, and they are counting on it to make useful idiots in the rest of the world force Israel to stop.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

all you have to do is pray isn't it? isn't that always the solution? this is god's pan, this will all be for a grater good, isn't that the spiel?

[@joshmarietta9158]

Glen. You start your history of this situation right at Hamas? There is a lot of history that got us here. How was Israel created? Who was displaced and how. What happened with settlements. Assassinations. You guys have zero depth to the situation and we could get the same talking points from CNN.

[@JonJaeden]

It sounds like you're describing the settlement of America.

[@dillonanderson7758]

You seem very adamant in your threads, I would like to point two things out. 1. Glen didn't start his history of this with Hamas, he started back in the 1800s and did describe how Israel became a country. Show some charity. 2. Glenn also admitted he is speaking from a more pro-Israeli perspective, and said multiple times that Israel is not blameless in this nor are have they behaved in a way that is righteous. Geez, give the man some grace and let him nuance what he is saying. Zero depth seems to be your perspective. Inspect your own takes. I saw you say in another comment that you can support Palestinians without supporting Hamas, that sounds close to saying that you can support 1930s Germany without supporting the Nazis... sure you can SAY it, but how would that be acted upon practically?

[@joshmarietta9158]

@@dillonanderson7758 briefly mentioning that Israel has done some bad things totally overlooks the origins of Zionism. I am not meaning to not show any grace. I am just so overly tired of Israel and the US not being looked at honestly by Christian’s. I blame this blind eye of Christian’s for a major part of our downfall and falling away culturally and nationally. And as for the nazi statement. You could 100% separate the people from the government. Look at the atrocities committed by the US world wide. Are you personally responsible for this? Most governments are not working for the people and can in no way represent the view or beliefs of all.

[@joshmarietta9158]

@@JonJaeden I am describing the American settlement in part. Most of America was not settled and was used by roaming tribes. But I don’t think anyone with an objective eye would say what America did to the Indians was just. It is done and what happened. We should learn from that. That is a different story than what is happening right this minute. We can’t change the pay but we can change current actions.

[@JonJaeden]

@@joshmarietta9158 Have you visited your nearest Indian casino to inquire where you can quit claim your house to the appropriate tribe?

[@SimonJification]

This is a "sin begets sin" issue, which is fueled by the stubbornly held belief of the western protestant church that earthly Israel, ie. the Jews, have a prophetic role to play or that at least "all Israel shall be saved" in the future. There's nothing objective as in which people group we should observe and how many of them is sufficient to declare "all Israel saved" and we have no permission or authority to declare prophecies fulfilled anyway. I consider that as much adding to the Bible as the Charismatics and their "God told me". First the Germans persecute Jews and lock them into concentration camps where many die, which is sin. Then the nation of Israel is established, not righteously, which is sin. Ensues a never ending cycle of violence, which is sin. Oct. 7 Hamas attacks, which is sin. Then Israel bombs Gaza - not in self defense but in retaliation - which is sin. So to answer Glenn's "what would you have them do" question in the end: Stop being Jews? Come to Christ and live? Learn His ways and pray for their enemies like He taught us? You can't sin your way out of sin. More sin does not cover a multitude of past sins. There is no political solution.

[@juliangodsend9418]

PROPAGANDA EVERYWHERE

[@FTG345]

33:00: I think that this will be instigated between Whites and Hispanics at some point in CA.

[@ramon2008]

Explain ?

[@nammas86]

4:30 Palestinians were selfish in not accepting being ethnically cleanse by a European Settler Colonial power. 7:30 Israel has a right to deny the indigenous people a state but Israel has a right [as a foreign civilized race] to establish a state. 9:00 Argument for Israel's ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians and the maintenance of a supremacist state. 12:20 Israel is committing war crimes but we need to understand they are being committed to Palestinians so it is not that bad.

[@paveli1181]

An example of legalism displacing wisdom. One sided, short sighted and blissfully ignorant of the elephant in the room.

[@featurebroadcast297]

Excellent thought provoking analysis.

[@stevenledwith]

Thank you for speaking truth. I agree with Glenn that at some point, we must take these people at their word, and also we must recognize that decolonization really means genocide.

[@JudahJackhammer]

Wonderful video. I’d love to see you guys have a chat with Dr. White about the Muslim divisions/what they believe.