Israel’s shifting borders | Perspective with Alison Smith

[@rogermendoza3541]

How come Gaza Strip remains an occupied territory when there was zero Israeli presence since 2005 withdrawal?

[@rogermendoza3541]

@فريدي كروجر That is completely different to the definition of "occupied territory". It should be "controlled territory" if that is the case.

[@rogermendoza3541]

@فريدي كروجر Well, I believed it wasn't since 2005 and evicted the last remaining jews from Gaza and then in 2007 Hamas got into power and bent on to complete destroy Israel. It is not only Israel that blockaded Gaza but Egypt as well due to terrorism and violence by Hamas. If Hamas declare peace and recognizes Israel then there will be no need for a defensive blockade.

[@yoavmal]

@@rogermendoza3541 I believe that the terminology is the cause of issue here - Israel does not have physical troops in Gaza nor settlements there, rather is blockading the strip by land and sea. I'd argue this isn't an occupation, but the term is probably a properly defined law term, which I don't know the proper definition of. Israel did occupy parts of the Gaza strip during "tsuk eitan" and "amud anan", but those were mostly planned to weaken the Hamas and deter aggressions, so Israel withdrew shortly after. The main reason it left is the cost of life and constant military presence required to hold it.

[@rogermendoza3541]

@@yoavmal This terminology is created from the narrative of the palestinians in which even the fact that Gaza is free of Israeli presence since 2005 the mere fact israel exist in "arab" land it would remain in their minds that the land is "occupied". To this day none of the arab countries ever recognized the UN Reso. 181 that legitimized both the Jewish State and an Arab State. Ironically, it is the west and all other countries that recognizes Palestine as a State today and granting them "observer" status at the UN, which has no legal basis at all as per UN Reso. 181. The Palestinians should recognize the very legal basis that established their Statehood but wouldn't because it will also in effect recognize Israel at same time.

[@yoavmal]

@@rogermendoza3541 well that's informative, thanks! Also the image is pretty misleading, it's pretty clear they haven't done very extensive research, so they just marked it as de facto occupied, rather than by Hamas.

[@GoofieNewfie69]

You say Israel attacked Lebanon. How come you didn't include Syria in that same attack? I guess you didn't want to say that Israel went in supported the christian side of Lebanon after Syria went in and supported the muslim side.

[@kieranryan5794]

This is succinct. It only said facts, and the facts were chosen. If there is a succinct alternative, please please please link it.

[@richardevans560]

Interesting that the "Israeli occupied territory" is used rather than "Palestinian territory under occupation by Israel"

[@remixsparten98]

Depends who you're entitled to.

[@roygertel]

All the land is ours, look at ancient maps, do research. Israel was much bigger, even part of Jordan was Israeli...These Arabs stole lands from everyone !

[@vetazpuroz8801]

Thanks please update more👍👍

[@michaelassam5789]

I wonder how Arabs demands a land contains every mark of Jewish people. A land of you dig 2 inches there is a Jewish historical mark.

[@abdulfarook8520]

Yes your father was dead thare, so how about you.

[@stfup9360]

if after 3000 years from now if people dig into auschwitz they will find pure history of jews it doesnt means that jews can break international law occpy that land cause thats not how things work

[@yesyouareright9800]

nope, it was palestine land for 6000 years

[@berylackermann8240]

Not just Jews and many other cultures too. Apies to most countries.

[@tcidenebeuqoiug5340]

​@@yesyouareright9800 "Palestine" land? a "Palestine" land by "Palestinian" people who don't even have letter "P" in their alphabet? the "Palestine" which word came from the word "Philistia", the name the Romans gave to their conquered land in the region, to further mock the Jews by naming the lands with Jew's old local enemy's name. the "Philistines", a group of people who historians believe were Greeks, colonizing the coastal parts of South Levant and Sinai. "it was palestine land for 6000 years" lol no the furthest name we have for the land is Canaan, and one of the Canaanite tribes that will rule there is Kingdoms of Israel and Judah.

[@Matice21]

The statement, Jewish “settlements” or invasion is wild after WW2.

[@worldwidewonders681]

So if a people suffer one time in history they can never do anything wrong

[@pietdezwart2271]

one can consider the West Bank as occupied, though parts of it are legally under israeli control. the Gaza.strip has no israeli soldiers on it. Israel does not really care about the Golan, but keeps it occupied as Syria does not want to commit to a deal without agression towards Israel. the moment they do, they can have it back

[@sollyngwenya173]

What actually they're supposed to do

[@medicgaming101]

i do not like the fact that syria and palestine raid 🕍 and then it gets on news when a 🕌 gets raided

[@berylackermann8240]

Israel is the oppressor. Learn the facts of what that means.

[@machiavelli4806]

When they asked, are there any Jews in your country? I can't answer them but my mind go to the Palestinians people who have accepted the Israelis with open arms, they don't even thinking that the kindness they have done will be repaid with cruelty to their descendant in Palestine.

[@יאירשטראוס-צ1ע]

The Arabs did not want us in the country, in fact they did not rule the country, the British ruled the country and the British were the ones who brought us in after pressure from European countries.The Arabs never ruled the country.

[@yesyouareright9800]

@@יאירשטראוס-צ1ע we ruled the country before the british came you stupid, then the british and israel kept on attacking and expanding their terrorist lands

[@berylackermann8240]

Agree with you.

[@hansjehamat2530]

Israel must many struggle..many power..

[@SalmanulFarisi-x6h]

Free Palestine

[@kailashpatirai]

And Each and Every country where there have high Fertility rate There have high unrest too. I'm surprising

[@CTimmerman]

Risk of death leads to having more children to ensure some survive, but more surviving children leads to competition for resources, which leads to risk of death.

[@berylackermann8240]

WRONG Why are there more choldren with poor than the rich. Firstly its a GODLY COMMANDED MANKIND to multiply (increase) and have children. WHY????? FIRSTLY because plagues (diseases), droughts (famine and starvation), conflicts and wars, natural disasters (floods, eadthquakes, volcanoes, fires etc) kill a lot of people sometimes whlle families. Otherwise there would be no humanity. One of the reasons God our creator HATES ABORTION. A feutus, the first signs of the growth of a baby from a union between man and woman is a blessing from our Father Creator. Imagine how many aborted babies both male and female would have grown up to be. Even one born disabilities is a blessing as many parents can attest to. Many cannot have children and can be adopted by a loving caring couple and be s blessing to them.

[@ThisReckless]

From a legal and historical perspective, the establishment of Israel in 1948 resulted in a significant change of territorial control, and this transition is considered to be a form of occupation by ICRC rules and regulations. The land that became Israel was previously inhabited by Arab Palestinians, and the establishment of Israel led to the displacement of many Palestinians. Which means Israel is an occupier, not able to claim self defense; and has committed war crimes just by the inception of Israel in 1948.

[@Bigwillyice]

Pretty biased view, and multiple arab countries used this argument to declare war and try to take over Israel in multiple failed attempts. At this point israel is well established and any attempt to reverse that would do much more harm than good and again result in ethnic cleansing against the jews. The israeli military forces have committed crimes of force in the occupation zones and this tends to happen whenever armed police forces are present in any area. There is no clean solution to this conflict and territorial claims stretch back thousands of years as the land has been continuously inhabited by jews, christians and muslims for over 3000 years, and multiple large empires have occupied the region in this time. Seeing as this land is considered holy by half the world’s population there was almost no chance of the successful and peaceful formation of a nation in the palestine region. And looking at the rest of the middle east and other arab states, and arab palestinian state would have had a much more violent outcome than the current situation of israel

[@Bertramel]

Many Jews lived in the area before.

[@ThisReckless]

@@Bertramel only 10% were Jews and they lived in Palestine.

[@Bertramel]

@@ThisReckless Only 10 percent were jews becouse jews had been forces out many 100s of years before

[@nidhinkn5410]

That's a Jewish land.

[@stfup9360]

it was a land of pagans then of jews and then christians and then turks then of muslims you cant stick into one

[@yesyouareright9800]

that's an arab land, you pig

[@kacperzimowski4626]

you were told that it's Jewish land because people didn't teach you how to think but what to think.

[@chadsimmons4496]

It's called terrorism.

[@brahimfadel5689]

If i don't shift somebody else will

[@rikaabbir2208]

It’s not the West Bank.

[@porunmexicomejor7953]

América stop Putting your nose everywhere . Stop acting like police of the world

[@WeissTreufel]

Be careful what you wish for.... The world without the US acting like the 'world police' means you'll either end up speaking Russian or Chinese.

[@pickyourswitchoriginal]

@@WeissTreufel that's funny.

[@SdH76zhEU]

@@WeissTreufel Yeah well , now we're speaking english right? I prefer a multilateral world too, however it needs a strong UN, that should be the main force in fact, no world gouvernment as its leaders and institutions are set by its members..

[@pirmuhammad1579]

No dhawa holl🥰

[@patd6370]

Israel if it want to survive should remember the story of the woman and the snake.

[@محمدايوب-ز3ك]

Before 47 Explain

[@PalestineCSPR]

FREE PALESTINE BOIS!

[@africancultureghettoking1019]

Six day war

[@chartheredcomet]

Very impartial

[@paulscheinberg2414]

Concise, but not impartial. All expansions of Israeli territory were direct result of Arab neighbors initiating hostilities. And not entirely factual (Israel does NOT “occupy” Gaza! There are NO Israelis there). Israel has consistently invited negotiation for peaceful coexistence; Arab neighbors had consistently rejected any recognition of Israel’s right to exist - until Egypt & Jordan entered treaties with Israel. “Palestinian” leadership still will NOT recognize Israel’s right to exist and is still officially committed to its destruction. Until “Palestinians” have responsible leadership committed to forming a responsible government, Israel must continue its self defense policies.

[@yesyouareright9800]

@@paulscheinberg2414 they never wanted peace, from the start they stop more than 50% of the land and then kept on oppressing palestinians and invading their homes, they kept on expanding so the arab countries have had enough and fought back

[@yesyouareright9800]

@@paulscheinberg2414 this was never self defense, how come israel exist? because they attacked from the start, they never went on self defense, they kept on attacking

[@miro4478]

​@paulscheinberg2414 since 1993 the plo has acknowledge Israel right to exist, yet Israel has not acknowledged Palastine right to exist.

[@ryzahlic]

Arab and their arrogancy should have just accept 1947 UN proposal

[@mrglance1]

And do you naively believe Israel would’ve stopped there? A country established on occupied land, and invaded neighboring countries more than one, would’ve kept its appetite accoring to UN Proposal? Wake up dude!

[@berylackermann8240]

So should the arrogence of the leaders of Israel as with many "they wanted more". When the British had there mandate on that land there was no Israel only Palistine. The Palistinians AGREED to the CONDITIONS SET BY BRITAIN and the PALISTINIANS compromisd them have some land. The ZIONISTS GOT GREEDY and wanted more and the the conflict started in 1948 amd ciontinues today with a genocide. Pamistinians from the onset compromised and the ZIONISTS DID NOT even. The blatant disregard for the UN says it ALL. ELOHIM did not call Judah rebelious from the days of BABYLON. NO DIFFERENT TODAY except the few TRUE SPIRITUAL JEWS WHO LIVE and obey TORAH..

[@ignanthunter6050]

Free palestine

[@EHonda-ds6ve]

No mention of Camp David II in 2000? Or the the meeting of Olmert and Abbas in 2008? The Israelis want peace, the arabs rejegt every offer!

[@stfup9360]

all these plans failed cause jews didnt wanted to give east jerusalem to palestine

[@yesyouareright9800]

israel invaded, then they want peace when they destroy everything, they want fake peace so they can keep on expanding, they stole the land so they get what they deserve, do you expect ukraine to accept russia's peace proposal if russia invaded 90% of it?

[@berylackermann8240]

Again you dont know the facts only what they tell you..ignorance is NOT bliss just plain stupidity

[@durgabahadur1850]

Long lif isreal

[@yesyouareright9800]

death to israel, long live palestine

[@trekkingchannel4752]

👍🏾

[@yonatanpaniri3010]

The Land of Israel belongs to the people of Israel! it is a basic historical fact that everyone agrees on, Christians, Muslims, historians and archaeologists. The whole Bible is one huge proof that Israelis lived in the Land of Israel 3000 years ago. The names of the Arab villages preserve the ancient Hebrew names, Jesus himself was a Jew, in every corner you dig you will find pottery with a Hebrew script and Hebrew names, buildings of ancient synagogues Jews prayed three times a day to return to the land of israel and Jerusalem, after the Romans exiled them to Europe. This is basic history. So who are the Palestinians? Arabs who immigrated to the territory of Palestine, whose name the Romans changed to Palestine. Those who live between the sea and the Jordan River are called Palestinians, Arab Jews and Christians, they were all Palestinians. There is no Palestinian nation, and never will be. Palestinians exploit anti-Semitism in the West to destroy the State of Israel, the only small Jewish state in the world. God is with us. We are returning to our homeland after 2000 years of exile. It is a divine move and no one can stop it. We are bringing and bringing light to all nations. Be prepared!

[@yesyouareright9800]

jesus was not a jew, palestine existed for 6000, israel did not, no one agrees with you

[@moaningpheromones]

all religion is fiction - there is no after life or super being.

[@maganimag3968]

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[@boliusabol822]

I can't believe you missed out the 1973 war , pathetic.

[@randomfandom33]

That war didn't affect the borders kiddo.

[@natadodo1564]

Israel should kept Sinai after capturing it.

[@stfup9360]

they wanted to make thier country 4 times bigger but egypt had different plans

[@natadodo1564]

@@stfup9360 I know, Egypt plans was to sign a peace treaty which is good.

[@stfup9360]

@@natadodo1564 yes you are right egypt asked for sinai isreali gilf golda meir rejected but after two days they woke up and for "peace"" realized we better give 60k sq km land to egypt missing the chance to be as big as jordan but not give syria 1k sq km of land

[@richardevans560]

I presume you feel the same about Israel having being captured by the Muslims?

[@MuhammadSabir-vi9qf]

Pakistan zindabad.

[@abidabaloch3339]

15 آرمی چیف میں سے صرف ایک اسلم بیگ پاکستان میں ہے باقي 14 فیملی سمیت ملک سے باہر ہیں . کیسا پیار ہے انہیں پاکستان سے.... ????

[@dahnnyc]

full of falsehoods.