ISRAEL SHOULDN'T EXIST! Communist Geopolitical Analyst Debates Destiny

DEBATE: Destiny debates a communist on Israel-Palestine conflict...
Date: 4 November, 2023
Israel Talk w/ History PhD Student Derails Into Intense Debate...
► • Israel Talk w/ History...
Pro-Hamas Panelist Confronts Destiny And Instantly Backtracks
► • Pro-Hamas Panelist Con...
Heated Confrontation w/ Destiny On His Israel Take
► • Destiny Loses It At Le...
Destiny Loses It At Leftists Defending Hamas Attack On Civilians
► • Destiny Loses It At Le...
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00:00:00 Teaser / Intro
00:00:33 Destiny and Liger fought on Twitter
00:02:52 Expansionist?
00:11:15 Israel shouldn't exist
00:22:30 Palestine Arabs welcomed Jewish people?
00:36:28 Overwhelming power was handed to Israel?
00:49:21 Mask of zionism
00:58:12 Target of civilians
01:02:19 "Hamas was willing to do something"
01:03:50 What's going to hurt Palestine more?
01:13:00 Destiny's solution
01:14:10 Palestinian resistance fighters
01:16:26 Liger's mods during debate
01:18:17 Michael Brooks doesn't think it's complicated
#destiny
#politics
#debate

[@destiny]

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[@jeffgojail]

Why doesn't anyone ever bring up the fact that Israel is a member of NATO and the US is obligated to defend it? Palestine isn't a US ally, it isn't a member country, and it isn't even a country.

[@forwadnothing8212]

1:15:40 YES THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. Palestinians are at fault for Hamas, despite Israel's actions, Palestinians are at fault for the shoddy infrastructure, despite Israel's regulations, Palestinians are at fault for the bombs being dropped on them, for provoking the Israelis, despite apartheid. You keep blaming the Palestinians Destiny.

[@RemOmni]

Guerilla warfare can be done both defensively in ones own country and offensively in another country.

[@willofman]

I think this topic hinges on two basic question, which Destiny already laid down previously: 1. Does Israel have a right to exist? -> yes, because it was up to Great Britain to divide up the borders, so the Palestinians had no right to determine them, they had no autonomy. 2. Is what Hamas does legitimate resistance? -> no, because the legitimate way to resist by force would be war or military sabotage, not terrorist attacks. They tried war and failed, and lost more land. If they don't have the strength to fight a civil war or the brains to aim at military targets, they shouldn't fight at all. The fact that they do just means they don't actually care about their own civilians. Plus, the kind of terrorism that Hamas does is meaningless. Their demand is basically for Israel not to exist, at which point it just comes down to who's fists are bigger, no room for agreement. Most of the other questions will eventually go back to question 1 or question 2. I don't really see a point to discuss this any further with any Palestinian sympathizer who doesn't answer the same way to 1 and 2. Once they accept that Israel exists and that terrorism is unacceptable, there is room for peace, and there is something to talk about. And realistically speaking, the only way to solve this would be to redraw the map and offer a distribution where both Israel and Palestine are distributed on one continuous land. If Palestine keeps insisting for Israel not to exist, I think it will be a one country solution for Israel, simply because only they have the means to accomplish this.

[@kibwescipio9426]

I agree with this statement but a one state will never have peace as Hamas is not driven by any palestine resistance to Israeli occupation they are an Islamic militant group who believes in establishing an Islamic state. With the amount of Palestinian people in that state who are Muslim it might turnout to be just like Lebanon

[@Stizzfoshizz]

This guy calls Israel a “paper tiger”, then like 2 minutes after, he says the only chance for Israel to be defeated is if every major Islamic military from multiple countries in the area band together lol

[@swampfaye]

Yeah, the only guys who didn't lose a world War and four wars of incursion, are always the bad guys. Amiright?

[@Sneakyboson]

He ain't the sharpest sickle in the shed.

[@allcolorsareentombedinblack]

And yet they wouldn't defeat them at all.

[@spencerjohnson7185]

Lol he acts like even if the whole Arab nation and terrorist groups attacked coordinated that the US and UK wouldn’t just send a few teams and wipe them off the map . They vastly overestimate capabilities . The US has destroyed every major leader killing all ISIS, and every cell also took every country and put in place a agreed upon leader. The US spends more equipping a unit of soldiers then all of the said countries combined .

[@trytobedied]

@@allcolorsareentombedinblack They might be able to, but it would mean they're ready to get nuked.

[@connerstines1578]

Imagine, if you will, believing in abolishing property whilst also believing a certain demographic/race owns exclusive rights to a piece of dirt.

[@aries8910]

Personal property is different from private property. I’m not a communist but you don’t need to straw man to beat their arguments.

[@So_Meh]

Ha 😂 ❤ 0

[@filbertovandette]

​@@aries8910guy....who owns the property in a communist nation? It's not the people....as proven by mass forced relocations inside of communist states....so who owns it? Communist arguing over centuries old property conflicts will never cease to be hilarious....

[@ihaveachihuahau]

@@aries8910 Communists don't believe in International borders though.

[@openthinker6562]

@@aries8910but doesn’t communism reject religion? Why does he get involved in this whole thing then?

[@yevgenyblinov48]

This guy is the manifestation of the Dunning Krueger effect - the less he knows, the more confident he is

[@MrDannyRuss]

Totally.

[@lucasgulick9220]

What an ironic comment

[@ricochetsixtyten]

While i definitely dont agree with this tankie, Dunning-Krueger is a self-defeating argument and shouldnt be used.

[@conradsplaylist]

he thinks gorilla warfare is a thing :D

[@konnosx1213]

"I support the national right to self determination" I wonder what his views on the following countries are Taiwan, Poland, the Baltics, Tibet, Romania, Czechia, Ukraine, Bosnia, Kosovo, etc

[@aaronclarke1434]

Incisive.

[@Anp562]

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[@nightraven2975]

Taiwan is not an independent nation. 99% of countries don't recognise it as so. The United States has signed agreements that recognise it as a provence of China.

[@kevinlification]

Since you support Israel's genocide, you would also support those countries being invaded, yes?

[@micharon90]

Just when the Juice reclaim their ancestoral homeland from Arab and European colonisers and reclaim their right to self-determination as a peoples, than its cringe. That is why we Jews look at this shit and only hear antismitism.

[@joesteel3459]

When defending Palestinians and the “peaceful protest” he says “there were incidents of violence, but I didn’t look into those” that clarified his position on honest discourse. There is zero honesty or concessions given when proven wrong.

[@TheLikenessOfNormal]

Yeah it was clear this dude studied history with two things in mind. 1: Jews are evil 2: Colonialism is bad

[@feelingveryattackedrn5750]

During the GMR (at least at the time of the report) there was 1 Israeli soldier killed at GMR demonstrations and 6 injured. Would you like to reply with the number of palestinians including unarmed adults, nurses, journalists, and children who were injured during the GMR demonstrations? You are 100% burying the lede when you say that he lied by not focusing on incidents of violence. The incidents of violence from the protestors side were so insanely minimal in proportion to the number of protests and the violence enacted by the armed side that it would be deceptive framing to center them when talking about the GMR. It also doesnt require stipulating that there will be violent or aggressive members at protests of thousands and thousands of people over the course of a YEAR, of course that some people will do the wrong thing and get violent, as also happens during protests/riots in the US where people are not facing blockades, curfews, etc.

[@chasesutherland1168]

for real. He basically said “I was reading an article but as soon as it went against my beliefs I stopped reading”

[@feelingveryattackedrn5750]

@@chasesutherland1168 read my comment. There’s a reason nobody talks about palestinian violence during the GMR

[@DSPHistoricalSociety]

Yep- "I heard what I wanted to hear, so that's what happened"

[@woozleification]

His narrative of britain being in support of the 1948 israeli war is absolutly insane. Half of Israelis enemies at the time had their militaries lead by british officers! The Jordanian Army was primarily a british instutition, most of the officer and NCO positions were british veterans of WW2.

[@thomaswalmsley8959]

Yeah by 1948 the brits were done with the headache and trying to bounce as fast as possible. They essentially set up the land and told the isrealis, good luck see you on the flipside.

[@zeshawnali5676]

why are you focusing on that, whether or not he is wrong is irrelevant. The british, while adding some infrastructure to the place, fucked it up. Thats what matters. Over their time there, Israeli forcer were heavily weaponized and prospered. This isnt about getting points. Its the gestalt of the matter. And the matter of the fact is, that the very policies and lack of morality in them is what drives these conflicts. In this case the least represented group, the Palestinians (those displaced) are being preyed upon.

[@woozleification]

@zeshawnali5676 The jewish resistance movements that would become the state of Isreal were actively suppressed by the british the entire time they were there. Basically, all of Israel's equipment was smuggled in from Czechoslovakia, the primary rifle of the Israeli military until the 1950s, was a ww2 german vintage weapon. The British were absolutely not arming the Israelis, up until the moment they left, they were fighting a war against the Israeli Haganah militia. You can blame the british for alot of things but not for this.

[@TheSm1thers]

​@@zeshawnali5676 The "Palestinians" rejected the two-state solution and called in the other Arab countries to ethnically cleanse Jews instead. Then rather than have independence they were part of Egypt and Jordan. They were only given quasi-independence by Israel when it defended itself in a war waged to destroy Israel and proceeded to occupy the West Bank and Gaza from there, but obviously it's tough to give full independence when they're trying to wipe you off the map.

[@zeshawnali5676]

​@@TheSm1thers your entire statement is false. The premise of the statement is to dehumanize Palestenians in assigning them a narrative of agency that was only capable of evil. You seem to think that I am an idiot that doesnt know the system of power at the time and what it favored: the momentum that built up as zionist were heavily armed, militarized and mobilized with an ideology that was fundamentally entitled as well ifi you were to accuse muslims of the of th same. Bottom line is there were good people and bad people on both sides. But the power shift has favored israel, the fundamental moral breach being the displacement of a mass of epople that lived there (continued) especially under the guise of an apparently noble cause. It wouldnt be the first time but with your help we could make it the last

[@haraldvonhinten8921]

"Israel started the 1967 war" The discussion should have ended here. There is no point arguing with delusional historical revisionists like this.

[@dominic7868]

Eddie gets shut down over and over again. Not surprisingly, he felt he came away from this discussion winning. It shows the level of delusion some of these guys live in.

[@viktormehl4311]

at least he admits to supporting Hamas

[@Hunterchuck]

I don't remember him saying he supports Hamas and its ideology. I do remember him saying he supports Palestinian resistance fighters, which doesn't mean Hamas as if Hamas has been the only ones fighting against Israel.

[@AspiringSpaceWizard]

@@Hunterchuckthats what people mean when they say “Palestinian resistance fighters”. Maybe he didnt say “hamas” specifically. Palestinian is a stupid term anyways because technically ethnic jews are Palestinians. Palestine is a roman word used to describe what was called Judea. Weird they co opt a European empire word. They are arabs and most from gaza can trace their roots from outside of the area themselves. 80% or something came to work for the brits

[@gjgr7772]

​@@Hunterchuck"Palestine resistant fighters" who's that?

[@doublestarships646]

​@@HunterchuckWho are the Palestinian Resistant Fighters he's talking about then? 🥴

[@damedusa5107]

@@doublestarships646will be some woman holding a child, probably

[@garywebb2432]

A Far Leftist and Alt Righter walk into a bar. They get along.

[@jesusnieves9221]

It actually doesn't work like that, there's common interests for people all across the spectrum left, right and center, I have seen every side divided on this conflict.

[@alexanderwhite1108]

When the horseshoe theory was real. *shocked*

[@garywebb2432]

@@jesusnieves9221 yea I was being hyperbolic tbh

[@seanmarkham6965]

@@garywebb2432it’s not a horseshoe it’s a hyperbolic paraboloid

[@garywebb2432]

@@seanmarkham6965 yea that's what I just typed

[@Jacqueline888]

i’m so sorry because it’s not funny but i laughed out loud when he said the palestinians gave him the strength to keep going during wrestling practice 💀 you can’t write this shit

[@burhan8795]

Apparently you can. I wager 1000 dollars that guy has a higher IQ than you. There is nothing ridiculous about being inspired by the steadfastness of the Palestinians.

[@Anijoartz]

I‘d be concerned if this is what you actually laugh about

[@kyro8559]

@@Anijoartzwhy is it bad to laugh at a dude in the west saying “what gives me strength to wrestle for fun is the strength of a suffering minority group i have little to no connection to” that’s just a funny thing to say

[@Jacqueline888]

@@Anijoartz yes i actually laughed

[@Anijoartz]

@@Jacqueline888 concerning.

The communist is totally wrong regarding Jews in Palestine pre-1948. Hebron had a Jewish community that had been there for hundreds of years. Same with Jerusalem, Safed, and more. Sure, there were large waves of Jewish immigration in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, but ppl make the mistake of therefore believing that they just came and stole arab land. Thats not true. They joined existing Jewish communities and also purchased land from Arab land-owners. Purchasing land is not stealing.

[@padajsiloinepravdo6299]

Before the zionist migrations , there were like to 5-10 thousand Arab Jews in ottoman Palestine. And they largely opposed Zionism as being a western secularist movement. Zionism was something imposed upon them. As for land purchases selling land for Jewish colonization was illegal under ottoman law so they established colonization agencies to buy land to get around that .

[@corneliuspildershmidt]

Whaddaboutda Nakba doe?

[@umerbsr]

Nakba.

@@umerbsr The comment directly addresses something that was said about the Jewish presence in Palestine before 1948. The "Nakba" happened after the declaration of the State of Israel and is an important, but separate discussion.

[@ChickenJoe12]

@@padajsiloinepravdo6299 and why were all of those Jews spread out through Europe in the first place ..?

[@gnoblinrox]

Eddie's arguments: Israel is both strong and weak(typical fascist argument), colonialism is bad - but fighting to the death against an unbeatable force is based, and "I don't know".

[@JackTenrec-qk4zp]

only Western colonialism is bad though, amd all those years later people who had nothing to do with it must PAY! those people are clowns

[@pffilms2522]

Fighting colonial powers isnt based? Are you a cuck?

[@Awaken_To_0]

Don't forget "Isreal is an Ethnostate" and "If jewish actions contradict my position It's actually a secret Zionist plot." If he was in a suit instead of a backwards cap and pastel Hoodie he'd be a mini Spencer.

[@Whocaresanymore970]

What is with r**arded liverals and this 'strong and weak' bullshit? It is such a childish misrepresentation of arguments that are made. Everything has strengths and weaknesses. If you highlight that something has a strength, but it also has weaknesses, are you making a contradictory argument?

[@Kamfrenchie]

tbf, "my enemy is both strong and weak" is common in a lot of arguments, not just fascist

[@dylaroo24]

It’s hilarious how people with no clue about warfare will make claims like “Israel not being able to be defeated is a myth” it shows a complete lack of knowledge. Even common folks recognise that once a country goes nuclear, it’s practically unconquerable. The reason Israel is such a threat isn’t because of their history of past victories, it’s because of the military equipment they have today and huge technological gap between the rest of the Arab world. This guy clearly doesn’t understand anything about modern weapons and how much they change the battle. This idea that Palestine can win against Israel is a fantasy. And it’s because it’s a fantasy that makes Hamas’ actions so bad for Palestinians. They’ve now damned thousands to death because they wanted to fight an impossible to win war.

[@MrAdamo]

I have no understanding of modern weapons. Let’s say Hamas took a shitload of land and started advancing on Jerusalem. Could Israel afford to use huge modern weapons when it would raze the land? My understanding is that with stuff like this you have to be a bit more surgical.

[@dylaroo24]

@@MrAdamo I dunno exactly what you are getting at, but yes, they could easily be more surgical and take out forces without doing massive damage to the land around them if they were advancing inside Israeli lines. When it’s outside of Israeli lines then it becomes a lot more difficult to do precision strikes. Destiny has talked about how absurd sending in a special forces team or doing a ground invasion would be, so the only real options is airstrikes and artillery. When it comes to warfare, rarely does the monetary value of damage done get taken into account. When forces around invading you and threaten your people, a building doesn’t have much value.

[@kentuckyfried9499]

He said the Houthis should launch a guerrilla war against Israel. How is that even possible when they are 1000 miles away? 😳 that is like Finland laughing a guerrilla war against France

[@wiredvibe1678]

@@MrAdamohow do you feed your army in a foreign land as they take massive amounts of desert with no air support?

[@wiredvibe1678]

@@kentuckyfried9499he’s remedial

[@michaelferraro220]

"does guerilla warfare have to be in your own country?" had me rolling

[@user-sw2eg9lg2t]

Why?

[@SnoopyDaniels]

The idea that the Israelis were "ethnic cleansing" when they settled in Palestine pre 1940 is braindead. By that logic, ethnic neighborhoods in every city on earth are examples of ethnic cleansing. Negotiating and paying for land to live on is just trade. Meanwhile, the Irgun's attacks had nothing to do with "ethnic cleansing." They were trying to punish Arabs for their massacres against Jews, and to make life extremely difficult for the British so that they would leave and allow the Jews to form a state. During the war of '48, huge numbers of Arabs left their homes to flee the conflict, and yes, many were forced out by Israeli military operations, but this is because those Arabs were ATTACKING ISRAELI SETTLEMENTS AND SUPPLY LINES. There were large numbers of Arabs whose homes fell within the new Jewish state in 1948, but the Israelis didn't force them out. BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T ATTACK ISRAEL. The descendants of those who decided to stay in Israel and live in peace with their Jewish neighbor now numbers around 2 million. We're not talking about Arabs living in the West Bank or Gaza, we're talking about Arabs living in the pre-1967 borders of Israel. So if Israel is just an expansionist colonial project that engages in ethnic cleansing, why didn't the Israelis force all of the Arabs within its own borders to leave?

[@ahmedata1300]

Go watch a real Nakba documentary that has stories by real Israelis who tell stories of their crimes and their actions and their reasoning for their hostility towards Palestinians. They all admit how their crimes and basic ethnic cleansing. Israel is an ethnostate meaning they literally have to force Palestinians out in order for their goal to happen. Arabs within Israel are treated unfairly, they have to go through checkpoints, they can’t use certain roads because Israel has apartheid policies, the list goes on. Arabs can’t live in any neighborhood or free house they want.

[@padajsiloinepravdo6299]

“We must continually raise the demand that our land be returned to our possession….lf there are other inhabitants there, they must be transferred to some other place. We must take over the land. We have a greater and nobler ideal than preserving several hundred thousands of Arab fellahin.” - Menahem Ussishkin, Chairman of the Jewish National Fund and a member of the Jewish Agency executive Zionist leaders had openly been talking about ethnic cleansing the Palestinians since the 1800s. Theodore Hertzel founding father of Zionism mentioned by name in the Israeli Declaration of Independence himself said “We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country... expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." If Israel wanted to coexist with Palestinians also why did they never allow any of the 700,000 to return , shoot those who tried to return and steal their property ?

[@user-sw2eg9lg2t]

Honestly I feel like if I looked into it I could find evidence for ethnic cleansing pre-1940, however I don't really care about it in the context of what's happening today, and what's happened in the decades following the 1940s. If you settle in a new land and want to make an ethno-state, that will involve killing or forcing out and/or denying full rights and citizenship to people of a different ethnicity. There is no getting around that. I don't know how you can deny that Israel is an expansationist colonial project, it has been constantly building new settlements throughout the decades right up to today. Can you tell me what forcing Palestinians out of their homes, demolishing them and rebuilding is if not expansionism? I literally don't know how to focus my arguments here because I can't even conceive of the mental gymnastics you're doing to arrive at your position.

[@Stumashedpotatoes]

@@user-sw2eg9lg2tno you cant find examples pre 1948. Not expansionist: peel commission accepted, 48 partition accepted, no wars of aggression Not colonialist: Jews and Judaism are indigenous to the land of Israel, historical and genetic evidence Ethnostate: “Arab republic of Egypt, Arab republic of Syria, Arab republic of Yemen”. No non-Arab minorities. Israel has demographically stable ethnic and religious minorities Ya, you’re pretty much wrong on every single point, and usually the reverse is true

[@user-sw2eg9lg2t]

@Stumashedpotatoes I won't say anything about what happened previously-1948 as I don't know.. but the rest of what you're saying is bullshit. -It is very clearly expansionist, at this moment in time it is most clearly visible in the West Bank. Expansionism has been taking place in dribs and drabs (and sometimes faster pace) since the formation of Israel. -To argue it's not colonialist for, say, someone from New Jersey to come to Palestine and steal the home of a family from one of the poorest regions in the world, is laughable. I refuse to play word games about whether Gaza is technically occupied at this moment, it has been indisputably occupied in the past and the situation can hardly be described as better today. - Listing a bunch of other potential ethnostates does not cancel out the ethnostate status of Israel. This is an unbelievably bad-faith argument, and if you're not intentionally obfuscating, then I fear for your mental integrity. South Africa was an ethnostate and that ethnostate contained black people within it. The presence of Palestinians does not indicate you are not an ethnostate. I wonder how you explain roads for Jews only, or how Palestians by and large are unable to travel even between different parts of Palestine, or how 10s of thousands of Palestinians are held in custody for no legitimate reason, and in that custody are treated with a cruelty that should not be able to exist in a supposedly open democratic state. You may be more democratic than some of your neighbours, but that really isn't something to brag about. You want to be called a liberal democracy? Fucking act like one.

[@isaiahsmith7123]

As per usual "left wing" is defined as anything that the speaker deems remotely good or agreeing with their world view. Thanks for keeping this individual accountable.

[@greatestever5634]

That's happen when those word barely mean and have no clear end goa. (left,right, conservatism, progressivism) When you hear those just know it's about to be some bs 🤣🤣

[@lighting7508]

I noticed that lmao 😂

[@bigbangrafa8435]

Projection is their superpower, everything they believe is actively being projected into Israel. The cleansing of "deplorables", the land theft, the propaganda war, the gaslighting, all of the former are foundations of marxism and active GOALS of institutions like the DSA. They accuse Israel of that because deep inside that's what they would do in their situation, that's why It comes so naturally to them.

[@whitb6111]

I mean early Zionists we’re almost entirely if not all socialists so I think there is some truth to that statement.

[@thenucas]

this guy argues exactly like a nazi. "ethnic cleansing? the Arabs NEVER wanted anything like that... but if they did, I'd like it"

[@orraz1526]

Tldr: Tankie repeats 10 points throughout a 1 hour debate with nothing to back it up

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

It's built into the definition of Tankie, but I appreciate you expounding upon it

[@chung-jenweng6454]

😂because online hankies don’t read or care about critical thinking

[@EbonyPope]

What is a Tankie?

[@MajorCinnamonBuns]

@@EbonyPope Essentially commie loyalists. Commies that support communist states/parties and their policies.

[@jaykay7180]

a tankie is someone who tends to support "militant opposition to capitalism", and a more modern online variation, which means "something like 'a self-proclaimed communist who indulges in conspiracy theories and whose rhetoric is largely performative.

[@Sidewinder2180]

Calls people alt right Nazi's then says Israel doesn't have a right to exist. Amazing.

[@ericthegreat7805]

Also denying Arab states had a likely intention of expelling Jews lol.

[@dire3648]

It is so wild how hard people are playing defense for people we would have called animalistic terrorist 10 years ago.

[@Jonathan-ds6yj]

It's not complicated, we never put the other Socialists on trial like we did the National Socialists at Nuremberg. Now they run every echelon of our education system, very Gramschian, and hate the West. It is a religion of death and tyranny which is why it finds friends in Islam so easily.

[@mattfrosty8775]

Love when someone says something dumb with insane confidence & just moves on

[@JosephLovesMovies]

Destiny is great at that.

[@lilrawri8446]

@@JosephLovesMoviesdamn dude you really destroyed destiny with your « no u » argument. Very smart, very intelligent, you must be a communist

[@TheRattail]

@@JosephLovesMovies Hey If you agree with this eddie that that you support the torture and murder of innocent Jewish civilians including Babys, I have another group you might like they call them selfs Nazis and completely on this topic with you. They are always looking for pieces of sh*t like you!!

[@HegemonicMarxism]

You mean like Destiny does, right?

[@philipfreeman896]

Yeah Destiny does that every sentence the says and its wild

[@TheDude322]

I can't wait to hear rational arguments and learn

[@espenbjerke665]

from a communist....

[@averytheloftier]

I'm so sorry man

[@local-admin]

0:37 welp I don’t think the asexual liger will educate you.

[@gefiltefist2088]

He’s suspiciously silent on the subject of settler colonialism

[@bananenbrot-pt7mo]

@@espenbjerke665 Is this type of communism taught in your schools or where did this guy get it from?

[@bradleylockhart2805]

58:35 this moment is so perfect 😂 guy tried to just straight up lie and when called out for it he just pretends like he never said it in the first place

[@fenoglios]

So he ended the conversation with gratitude and respect towards you and you replied with belittling and disrespect? I was about to say this was a good conversation but you royally fucked that up.

[@jloiben12]

Eddie is a very standard Tankie. This is a great example of this

[@wa-bu3ke]

He looks like the 90s

[@Fighter4all1]

What's a Tankie?

[@jloiben12]

@@Fighter4all1 A fascistic ML. Another commonly used term to describe this type of belief system is a red fascist/red fasc

[@owlmostdead9492]

@@Fighter4all1 A hardline stalinist, basically a communist nazi

[@markzuckergecko621]

​@@Fighter4all1a militant communist that supports violent takeover. All communists are tankies, some are just more honest about it than others.

[@HybridxProject]

Its not terrorism if you just call it "resisting"🤣

[@ahmadauwad6912]

It’s not terrorism if you just call it “self defense”

[@MattPhannyPack]

​@@ahmadauwad6912resisting and self defense are hilarious excuses considering who hamas went to "defend" themselves against

[@KarazolaX]

It's not terrorism if you call it "Guerilla Warfare"

[@SSingh-nr8qz]

It's not rape as long as I say its "aggressive cuddling"

[@Ariel-jq1if]

IMAGINE these pro-Hamasers using the same logic on 9/11. It holds, since the US did fucked up shit in the Middle East before then. So of course this is just what “resistance looks like”

[@ShadoWafel]

Liger is a "geopolitical analyst" in the same way hot girls on Instagram are "models". His knowledge base is obviously from Reddit posts/comments, you can also tell by the terminology he's using. He's missing a ton of historical details that would absolutely destory his position, or at least would make it very hard to defend.

[@oskytel3780]

The mahority of Israeli Jews are NOT Ashkenazi - not European. This is a common falsehood in their narrative. The majority come from ancient, historic communities all over the Middle East and North Africa where they were effectively ethnically cleansed by "Arabs".

[@meno3535]

lol the majority have a significant amount of ashkenazim ancestry, the first to establish the settler colony were the ashkenazim, it was after 48 , that mizrahi, sephardi came and the ashkenazim/european descended settlers still hold immense influence in knesset, media compared to mizrahi and especially ethiopian jews, the latter being sterilized and dehumanized to this day

[@IronKreisel]

Its hard to bear living among people like this, allowing them to propagate their hateful dangerous rhetoric to children on TikTok.

[@ReIigionlsForIdiots]

Left and right can unite on banning communism. Nobody likes or should allow communism.

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

Yeah Israel supporters

[@clonical1044]

tiktok. you got your answer

[@markzuckergecko621]

To genuinely believe in the principle of free speech, you have to accept a certain level of danger.

[@MrIGameHard]

@@just_a_turtle_chadterrorist sympathizer

[@NeoN-PeoN]

Anti-racism is worse than you think, Destiny. One of its MAIN TENANTS is that any past racism MUST be "corrected" by present racism. And that present racism must be corrected with future racism. It's LITERALLY an infinite cycle of racism. The only thing that would change is who the victim is.

[@eleonarcrimson858]

Isnt it “any past racism must be corrected in the present so that there won’t be any in the future”?

[@jacobfromallstate4963]

Sounds less like justice and more like revenge, especially on groups too young to have anything to do with it that will just become embittered, thus continuing the cycle.

[@doodoo871]

@@eleonarcrimson858not if people who’s race were victims of racism in the past so now they are racist to the people who’s race were racist, before any of the current people even existed. So in the future, the now victims of the racism being done by the people who’s ancestors experienced racism, will need to correct that racism by being racist. Totally makes sense, right? Or people could just admit racism is bad and everyone should stop it.

[@myusernamewasinuse]

It's not an infinite cycle because whites are never entitled to racial revenge. Therefore shit will all roll down hill until it lands on whites. Alt righters are unironically correct when they claim anti-racism is just a code word for anti white. It's what leftists actually believe.

[@manamark4754]

@@eleonarcrimson858 But the only way to "correct" it would be through discriminatory policies, and in it lies the contradiction, if the only way to fix racist outcomes are racist measures, than the new outcomes would still be racist, as they were achieved through racism. Few such examples, affirmative action and racial equity programs in recruitment.

[@elviselcapo]

Hey Destiny, do you think that I may discuss or debate this in a group setting with other people? Credentials are: 1. Israeli, military veteran. Not born in Israel originally, and have a wide perspective on the situation, having Palestinian Arabs under my own command in an Israeli unit.

[@thomasmassey322]

The young man is not correct. Israel in 1948 was surrounded by armies supporting the Arabs, later known as Palestinians. They continued to lose wars and never took "yes" for an answer...

[@jacksyoutubechannel4045]

He thinks it's a public opinion _shift_ for the UN to condemn Israel? That's not a shift. It's just a regular Tuesday at the UN.

[@iLuvCookies00]

"Communist Geopolitical Analyst" good one

[@zhirong4844]

Hey! I mean, their "supposed opposition" also have bunch of "geopolitics truth teller," so I mean, is not that far of a stretch

[@MrIGameHard]

@@zhirong4844any supposed opposition of an actual communist is almost certainly way more accurate 😂

[@orraz1526]

Aka "west bad" politics

[@stevestrangelove4970]

When someone introduce like that, i already know he has an extra chrosome

[@wengeance8962]

Tankie *

[@KathyPrendergast-cu5ci]

"What are the Palestinians supposed to do in terms of resistance, then?" Get the f*ck over the fact that their side lost a war 75 years ago.

[@Anijoartz]

So just let israel colonize and take their country with no response to that action? Thats typically something a colonizer would expect

[@user-sw2eg9lg2t]

You support genocide.

[@audreyandremington5265]

@@Anijoartz Isreal doesnt want to colonize Gaza????

[@Anijoartz]

@@audreyandremington5265 if only you knew😂😂

[@Bakstabbah]

​@@AnijoartzNot even Egypt would take Gaza back, that shit hole causes so many problems.

[@RosieRoserules]

To fight against incessant oppression without even weapons in an army against all odds is definitely courage The Palestinians have great courage they've been under the foot of the Israelis through 75 years and there's no one that can deny that. 20 years ago I was reading thousands of reports of little kids boys and girls routinely being molested at Israeli checkpoints and people just don't care

[@Drusty_]

When he says “Guerilla warfare” he just means “underdog”. That’s as deep as his thinking goes

[@CrtlW]

really seems like he wanted to say, "I'm sorry, haven't you heard of david vs goliath?"

[@jacksyoutubechannel4045]

@@CrtlW Now _that_ would be a heck of an example to choose. Especially considering the name "Palestinians" was given to them by Rome, in a taunt to the Jews (by naming them after the Jews' historic enemies, the Philistines, of which Goliath was one).

[@jacksyoutubechannel4045]

Yep. "Underdog" + "cool rebels with no front lines."

[@coterie_black]

@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 Which is derived from the word Plisha which means 'invaders'

[@Tespri]

Guerilla warfare doesn't include attacking civilian targets without any connection to infrastructure or military power.

[@nednoxic6187]

I honestly cannot believe how little these kind of people know about history of the region....and yet voice such strong opinions stoking an incredibly explosive situation.

[@chung-jenweng6454]

😂their bravado stops when they are in the situation. It’s easy to cheer for either side, even celebrate and rationalize when heinous act were done. They just have to be pro Palestine based on TikTok algorithm and reap all the clout

[@isaiahsmith7123]

Funny fact, but history didn't start in 1933, and Islam didn't start in 1945. It wasn't spread by bake sales and going door to door selling olive oil and the word of Allah, it exploded out of the Arabian peninsula with violence and colonization, subjugating various ethnic groups and enslaving Africans and Europeans, so please tell me about how virtuous this person is bloviating about colonization and apartheid? This guy was a tool lol

[@silverstorm1000]

Yeah I never felt confident giving a super strong take because having not read into it I didn’t want to hardcore take a side. Used to lean very pro Palestine. Now I don’t really know. Seeing how radical a lot of the pro Palestine side has been and how much they will justify the most brutal and heinous kinds of violence has given me a lot of pause here.

[@silverstorm1000]

Oh and I feel like a lot of the info I had was omitting the negatives of the Palestinian side.

[@Kamfrenchie]

a lot of things run on how confident you sound. If you were to grow up in a pro marxisyt group, or be friend with someone who's super confident about a worldview, it can easily rub off on you

[@salesbuffet]

Gained a ton of respect for Destiny in these “debates” He’s so poignant and doesn’t let up on letting people spewing BS without being held accountable to their words.

[@Hchris101]

Baseball is good

[@NicEeEe843]

“Israel is an ethno state”. Yeah so are the dozens of Muslim countries with 98% Muslim population 😂😂😂😂

[@andorifjohn]

Can a Palestinian in Israel convert to Judaism?

[@NicEeEe843]

@@andorifjohn what does converting to another religion have to do with anything? Ofc these Muslims won’t convert to Judaism they’d rather die 😂

[@doesntmatter4136]

yeah ​@@andorifjohn

[@doesntmatter4136]

Israel is like 25% non jews lol

[@user-sw2eg9lg2t]

Whataboutism at its finest. I suppose the difference is, the muslim countries that you speak of weren't established on top of a pre-existing state comprised of Jewish people. Not that it's necessary for there to be a difference... I am critical of states like Quatar as I am critical of Israel. If the people of Quatar ever try to settle in Israel and genocide the population, I assure you I will criticise them just as I do Israel at the moment. And you, you're clearly bothered by the muslim countries, so where's YOUR consistency?

[@adam-vy6rk]

Also when he's trying to make the argument of how the arab world didn't want to ethnically cleanse the jewish population, I think he's forgetting the fact that almost all of the arab world sided with Hitler during the second War

[@LBJgreat]

Well they sure had a funny way of showing they didn't want to expel or "ethnically cleanse" the Jews as they spent years pushing them out in droves through pogrom-like attacks on Jewish areas in those countries. Arab world, where are your Jews?

[@jakej2680]

I was just reading about the 6 day war and most of the Arab leaders were explicitly stating their intentions to remove all Jews from Israel, like 20 years after that time frame.

[@feelingveryattackedrn5750]

I mean the arab world definitely wanted to remove the Jews from Israel, thats 100% accurate. But ethnically cleanse is a semantic distinction because while ethnic cleansing *does* include the forced removal of an ethnic population en masse from their home, that only really applies if theyre from their home and from a single ethnicity. Some people might have been advocating for literally killing all the jewish people, I do not doubt that that sentiment was common given that one side experienced anti arab terrorism from jewish supremacist groups, but unless they went that far I dont think ethnic cleansing is the right word. This is all couched in the context of a jewish state where a large part of the population is immigrants, not several generations of families. At this point I think the majority of advocates for freedom of palestinians do not think the Sabras need to be evacuated.

[@justingladhill9585]

This guy just confirmed for me how much I despise tankies. They are just as dumb and ideologically blinded as their opponents, and have zero ability to reflect on how so much of their attacks are just projections on an insane level. They can only see the world through one lens. Oppressor/oppressed, and there is nothing which can break that lens.

[@ShaneyElderberry]

Since you’ve inspired my interest with the zeal of your paragraph, can you tell me about a long established community or society, which has neither exploited or been exploited via goods or labor? I’m all ears.

[@TheLikenessOfNormal]

@@ShaneyElderberry Well I can tell you about the capitalist world where an individual worker has the right to choose not only what job they pursue but also to negotiate and even refuse employment if they don't feel that their very time and presence hasn't been valued highly enough. And I can think of several short lived and one current nation where refusing employment would get you thrown in a work camp and systemically starved and beaten to death. Which countries were those again? Oh yeah, the Communist and Socialist ones. Where your value is exactly what that giant dictator at the top of it deems. And FYI: Workers rights have been worse in every single Communist country then they've been in the last hundred years in the west/capitalist world. So I mean, either you care about workers or you don't and your just power hungry and ignorant and choose to believe fanciful words about the theoretical utopia that Communism can bring if it just worked this dang time versus what has happened IN EVERY SINGLE ATTEMPT.

[@Redfoxx-pg7km]

@@TheLikenessOfNormalwhat about the kids held at gunpoint in the Congo mining the resources for your capitalist world? Do they have the freedom to choose? The women in factories globally making slave wages? Did they choose? Did the worker in the workhouse choose to go into the workhouse at the height of the Industrial Revolution? It’s funny how many wealthy people choose to be doctors compared to how many poor people choosing to work in takeaways.

[@sgtpatton]

that dude 100% googled "*gorilla* warfare" after the stream lmao

[@vlndfee6481]

Thank you for engaging in these kinds of talks. It helps us to see and hear their reasoning. Plus you sowing other Ideas... into their blindspots

[@_Addi_]

As a military OSINT freak, when he said that he thought hezbollah could defeat Israel, I had to take a 5 min break to regain my sanity. How do people like this have anyone taking them seriously? The more I listen to these people, the more I think eugenics is a good idea lol.

[@SJNaka101]

I've always thought eugenics was a good idea. The main issues with it are that an enforced eugenics program is extremely illiberal, and I personally identify with liberal values. The other thing that leaves a poor taste in the mouth about eugenics is how racists are a big fan of it. But like, in a vacuum, I've never heard a good argument for why "selectively breeding for the best traits and avoiding the worst traits" is like, inherently a bad idea.

[@thomast.4966]

But Hezbollah already defeated Israel in a war.

[@_Addi_]

@@thomast.4966 When? 💀

[@ne0nmancer]

@@thomast.4966 When, bro?

[@allergictoliberalism]

​@@thomast.4966source: trust me, bro 😂

[@ab-hx8qe]

He just keeps repeating buzz words in different orders hoping he’ll eventually get the spell right 😂

[@philipfreeman896]

Destiny fans think any word that isnt monosyballic is a buzzword because like Destiny they cant even finish reading a single book theyre so illiterate lmfao

[@itamarchen1]

Hebron massacre of 1929 - 133 Jews slaughtered. 00:17:50 These were all what we call "Yeshuv Yashan" (old settlement) which means Jews that never left Israel or has been there for centuries, these are not "European" Jews that settled and Arabs were fighting off of their land. These were Jews that were living there for centuries, and the Arabs slaughtered and drove out of Hebron, in what was in fact ethnic cleansing. Of Jews. By Arabs. My grandmother was born in Jerusalem, so was her grandmother, and hers, going back 16 generations.

[@TecTitan]

These people only parade as the caring benevolent. Whatever topic is trendy, whichever side they perceive to be the "socially correct" one, they'll argue for and "Virtuously" lie in favor for. To these people a fact that is counter to their narrative is more harmful than the truth because they believe they are in the right. A useful lie that might win the argument is always their favorite tool. Example by his very existence: Hasan Piker

[@TeutonicKnight92]

Prior to the British Mandate the last time the area was revered to as "Palestine" in any official means is when it was the Roman/Byzantine Province of Palaestina Salutaris in the 3rd through 7th Centuries

[@clem7057]

Take a shot every time this guy says "Open Air Prison"

[@TJmidd]

if you took a shot for every time he said "settler colonialism" you'd be dead before 20 mins

[@Zel_eo]

You trying to kill people?

[@markzuckergecko621]

Communist rhetoric. Just repeat the same mantra over and over again, people who are so stupid they think socialism is a good idea are also too stupid to know what words mean.

[@MikeLiteraus]

💀

[@ahmadauwad6912]

Do you think it isn’t?

[@jasonpwnd]

Classic example of a guy who only reads news he agrees with

[@Rick_Cleland]

Yeah, and extremely dangerous.

[@AlphaMelGibson]

Without any nuance, didnt truly recognize any wrong doing from the arabs whatsoever. If he would not have been corrected he would have talked exclusively about Iraelis being terrorists.

[@kasuo7039]

Destiny said that palestinians were justified to fight to the death pre 1947-48. I guess he got from his wiki that all palestinians died in 48.

[@Eseerrowez]

@@kasuo7039 your interpretation of that is stupid. Good job

[@arbelsonnenfeld7031]

Who is also a bit slow.

[@Firstname_Surname]

Destiny should take a look at census data from the Palestinian region. Apart from the fact that there was always a Jewish presence in the land (mostly in Jerusalem), it is true that there were hundreds of thousands of Jews immigrating to the region since the end of the 19th century but so did hundreds of thousands of Arabs. Why are they considered any more native than the immigrant Jews?

[@user-sw2eg9lg2t]

I usually research claims like this and they turn out to be bullshit, but I wont bother with your one because it's irrelevant. The fact is, the population considered 'more native' didn't expel Jewish people from Israel-Palestine.. whereas the reverse is true.

[@IWannaBeFamous647]

Destiny got owned

[@OnkyoGrady]

"I don't think Israel has a right to exist." That right there is an example of someone being too academic in their approach. Once they existed as a settled force, just like any group of people, it's a fact on the ground that we typically expect everyone to adjust to. Go back far enough and almost every settled human population has some degenerate genesis story, often preceded by a mass PTSD incident. That's certainly the case for the US, and no one's (respected) moral framework would accept disaffected Indians launching Hamas style raids on American suburbs. More to the point, none of these cross-ocean ideologues would support tactics like that if they thought they might be subject to them. At a certain point there's a moral obligation to accept that initial defeat.

[@paulwarboys1914]

That’s why the goal is a 2 state solution based on the 1967 borders. There’s a historical record showing one side as being unable to accept it. That side is Israel.

[@wsol80]

Israel is the original homeland of the Jewish people. I like your example, but it would be more accurate to compare it to displaced Americans launching terrorist raids to try and recapture property given back to the Native Americans. Sure the Palestinians once lived there, but their Arab ancestors drove out the Jews and that makes them the colonizers.

[@MarkG-nl4oq]

@@wsol80I think he’s trying to be charitable and argue from the Palestinian two-state perspective.

[@alexanderbellini2526]

As someone else has pointed out, for one, it would be more accurate to compare Americans doing this to Native Americans. Yet also, where is the evidence that Jewish Refugees in the 19th century invaded and violently took over land. As far as i've read they were just Jewish refugees fleeing back to their homeland, and the Palestinians started attacking them immediately. Yet they stayed because it is their homeland, and they get attacked wherever they go anyway.

[@MarkG-nl4oq]

@@alexanderbellini2526 I mean not so much in the US. Especially post-WWII but even pre war WWII there was a very organized and powerful Jewish community

[@paulkrugman359]

21 seconds in, 'I'm a communist' here we go...

[@WillmobilePlus]

Irony is how "expansionist" and "settler colonialist" Communism is.

[@markzuckergecko621]

​@@WillmobilePluscommunists don't actually have a problem with colonization, they just get mad when someone else colonizes something they want to colonize.

[@TheFatalcrest]

​@@WillmobilePlus😂 such things are only good when the Commies are doing it

[@DanielS-zq2rr]

@@markzuckergecko621 lmao thats damn accurate, especially considering how mad the Soviets were, when Israel chose the West over the Communist world.

[@cabbagedestroyer1693]

​@@markzuckergecko621That true. My grandpa was a part of the red army and you'd be surprised how nationalistic the communists are in other parts of the world.

[@davidmarroyo1]

Israel is not an ethno state. 20% of the Israeli citizens are ethnic Arabs. By definition, it’s not an ethno state.

[@noamweizmann]

EXACTLY!!!

[@spencerjohnson7185]

No peace, no recognition , no negotiations = welcomed Jews with open arms 🤣🤣🤣 this guy doesn’t actually believe what he says

[@KarazolaX]

Dude is like a whiter Hasan

[@Nadeloehr1990]

This guy lost that debate so hard, it was embarrassing to watch.

[@jcmpli]

There are 50 huge Muslim countries, 22 of them surround Israel, there is only one tiny Jewish state.

[@user-jq1hq8vb8w]

Which is stolen. A state that was stolen, don't forget that tinie tiny little detail

[@Bakstabbah]

​@@user-jq1hq8vb8w Do Jews have the right to live there? It's a known fact that jews have lived there for thousands of years and there have always been jews in Israel.

[@Ozniel2]

Take a shot everytime he says "zionist"

[@eewewe283]

and open air prison 🤣

[@joshuagrubbs5207]

It amazes me seeing people who benefit so much from capitalism, turn supporting communism Into a trend, to thus make more money through this capitalist system 🙄

[@SSingh-nr8qz]

Its almost like they know capitalism leads to wealth.

[@JudasMaccabeus1]

Democracy ism > communism

[@Eggs-n-Jakey]

Well even Hasan admitted to be hyperbole basically the Rush Limbaugh of the liberal arts degree seeking population. (maybe not that salty.)

[@essee3222]

If you're poor and you're a socialist people call you jealous, if your rich people call you a hypocrite. This is just a tactic to silence people.

[@chung-jenweng6454]

😂that’s why they can never lead anything except towards ruin and worse path Once they benefit from any political or monetary power, they’d sheltered themselves as far away from any potential blow back from their bad decisions. Too bad their goons and middle management close to ground works would be the ones taking the blow.

[@bsw351]

Lmao that chatter “You have to get their children too” is a Bioshock infinite villain

[@EmilyRose1]

So grateful for Destiny using his platform to have these debates and conversations. He actually know his stuff and responds to each point with clarity

[@kingllama537]

He’s a flip flop

[@esotericreaktor]

They must be handing out PhD’s to anyone with a pulse these days. Makes me want to buy Israeli war bonds.

[@moonflash007]

Be careful of what road you're heading down. Anti-intellectualism is at the heart of fascist rhetoric, calling people with academic education "hacks" and "shills" is the first thing the nazis did to delegitimize any and all educated oppostion.

[@michaelschupska2047]

We've been "handing out" PhD's since the turn of the 20th century, this isn't some new phenomenon. Look up William Archibald Dunning and the dozens of History PhD candidates who studied the Lost Cause under him for evidence of this. It's almost solely responsible for some of the bullshit you STILL hear about the Civil War to this day (black people fought for the Confederacy, slavery wasn't that bad, war wasn't about slavery, etc.). These guys barely ever used primary documents (when they did, they engaged in the most blatant forms of cherry-picking you will ever see in academia), they outright fabricated things in some places, and they generally speaking eschewed any kind of consistent methodology in their approach to the History of the Antebellum South. Please stop acting like dumb people having a PhD is a modern invention.

[@paulogaspar8295]

@@michaelschupska2047 maybe, but i don't understand this. I know people that have phd's and they are the smartest people i've ever known in my life and they still find it hard to do them, and then i know some people with phd's that are like this. but then again the smart people that i know are more on the steam field (engineering) so i guess it depends on the subject. there are subjects like women studies so yeah.....

[@colamity_5000]

If you get into a phd program and do the work its hard not to be awarded a phd. No one really wants to not accept a thesis. Its also not hard to get into phd programs... so yeah basically anyone capable of maintaining a decent gpa can get one.

[@doublestarships646]

This literally been an issue for a long time. They don't care as long as they continue pumping out Phd's to anyone that paid way too much for it.

[@seannaesseannaes]

12:15 Buddy believes that if you lose an aggressive war, your people have the right self determination.

[@jesusnieves9221]

Israelis are the aggressors not Palestians

[@spacejunk2186]

They want to abolish prisons, so it checks out.

[@mbburry4759]

These people are nuts, hopefully wake or grow up eventually

[@TheLikenessOfNormal]

Not just that. But if you lose an aggressive war FOUR TIMES where your stated goal (or the stated charter of your leaders) explicitly promoted the global extermination of the people your fighting against.

[@user-sw2eg9lg2t]

Can you just take a step back for just a second here... they were colonised despite being promised the land for themselves... do they not have legitimate right to fight that? And if not, why not.

[@msr2566]

“The Palestinians welcomed the Jews” - “No, there was violence from the beginning from Arabs” - “well do you expect them to be forgiving and welcoming” BRO THIS GUY IS SO FLIP FLOPPY💀💀💀

[@Nootlest]

this guy should move to gaza, since they're such good people

[@AjAj-yh4kv]

What a low IQ statement you made

[@user-sw2eg9lg2t]

Listening to these braindead comments is wild. Do you think people have to be firmly in the 'good' categorie to not deserve genocide and other warcrimes. If so, that's a pretty scary world to live in, who gets to decide whose good.. oh wait, you're likely an American who never needs to worry about what their neighbours think of you or your country, so you're safe, congrats! Now that you're safe, you should trample over those less fortunate in your spare time! What an enriched life you lead.

[@Rain649]

Destiny hands down thank you for actually doing research and not just spewing propaganda like a lot of the people talking about any topic these days.

[@ronniekregar3482]

lol, he has to do his research because he admittedly knows nothing about it.

[@philipfreeman896]

Research is when you read a wikipedia article and find out where Israel is on a map for the first time ever lmfao. Its insane how anti intellectual everyone in this comment thread is, genuinely a safe space for sub 80 IQ dullards lmfao

[@NINEx7x]

@@ronniekregar3482 Were you born with inherent knowledge about the entire history of Israel? Most people know nothing about the history and have to do research to know the facts. Why even point this out? lol

[@ronniekregar3482]

@@NINEx7x because the implication of that statement is that no one else does research accept for Destiny. I'm pointing out the fact that he's behind the 8 ball on this particular topic

[@Rain649]

@@ronniekregar3482 have you heard a number of people talk about it. The guy destiny was debating had a subpar level of understanding yet is vocal about his opinion. It shows he has a lack of understanding when he said the land was always known as Palestine, clearly not knowing the history of the region cause if he had he would know it was previously the Ottoman Empire and not Palestine. So yes some more people need to do what destiny did and research and learn the history of the region.

[@russelld2925]

He supports the right of self determination for Palestinians but not for Israel? I actually agree that Palestinians have a right to resist. But Israel has just as much of a right to fight that resistance. Both sides are acting in their own self interest and like almost all conflicts in human history, the strongest side will win.

[@mark-kq7rc]

Not as much doe, the Palestinian have a better one because the the Zionist literally came

[@AbsolemLNG]

Israel isn't an ethnostate, there's arabs in their parliament.

[@noamweizmann]

Exactly. People are so clueless.

[@Darthdoodoo]

This opressor vs opressed left wing division bullshit is so tired

[@MC_heart4]

Amazing. He admits that Jews immigrating to Palestine (pre 1947) is colonialism even though it was one state. Meaning, just migrating and ethnically changing the demographics is colonialism. Does he feel the same about people immigrating to the us and Europe or is it only bad when “whites” do it.

[@squanchysquanch1840]

That would require him to actually have a consistent position on something, so I doubt it 😂

[@feelingveryattackedrn5750]

It was a colonist project, thats just a fact. It wasnt just the west that supported Israel, it was Stalin too. All major powers at the time thought that Israel, as a state for the nationalist Jews, would give them a foothold in the Arab world. Before the founding of the state it was a literal colony of Britain. The jews that lived there at the start were not nationalist and many of the jews that came there before the aliyahs were not nationalist. I mean thinking about it the only jews that really have a right to talk about a nation there are the ones who have a connection to that area, but regardless the idea of nationhood and zionism came from abroad and the leaders of those ideas created essentially a dream of a new home for jews in palestine whether those jews were zionist or nationalist or not (and a great many were not, there was a lot of internal discussion about not having a jewish state even from people that came from Europe, they just wanted to have land there and access to their religious sites). This goes along with the argument commonly thrown around that there can be no palestinian state there because there was no conception of a palestinian nation early on, which is in many ways true. Arabs there were not concerned with creating a nation there in the same way that jews there were not concerned with creating a nation there. It is only when the aliyahs started and there was increasing militancy from these far right zionist terrorist groups (along with a lack of control from the british authorities) that Arabs began thinking to themselves "we need to come together and fight to prevent disenfranchisement".

[@KathyPrendergast-cu5ci]

@@feelingveryattackedrn5750 You do know there were Jews living in the land of Israel long before the Zionist movement, right? And your understanding of 20th century history is missing some important context, a major one being the First World War (2014-2018). The British and the Ottomans were on opposing sides in that war; when the British side won they took over Palestine from the Ottomans. But they were never interested in holding on to it; they almost immediately partitioned 75% of it and gave it to the Palestinian Arabs for their own state, Trans Jordan. From 1917 their commitment, outlined in a legal document (the Balfour Declaration) was to give the remaining land west of the Jordan River to the Jews of Palestine for their national homeland. That doesn't sound much like the actions of a colonial power intent on getting and maintaining a "foothold in the Arab world".

[@chance1113]

bro couldnt even put together an arguement even though destiny got his kiddy gloves on

[@alexanderbellini2526]

Was just thinking that Destiny needs to go so much harder on these guys.

[@marusis4453]

No, i disagree. I think the way he aprouches theae conversations is better. Less screaming and more collecting of pop lefty arguments. The guy looks even dumber when destiny lets him speak.

[@philipfreeman896]

You have a pepe avatar and a Destiny icon, youre never gonna make it dude, its over lmfaooooo

[@Dogan_TM]

​@@philipfreeman896technically its a peepo.

[@philipfreeman896]

LMFAO, loser who knows the difference says what@@Dogan_TM

[@dan2_474]

Whats the app that destiny is using? Making all the notes?

[@Wickedesu]

You know whats so sick about destiny. He doesn't even have to snap, make witty remarks about their intelligence, or deny a claim . His counter claims just come back so hard. Im glad i see more of you. Cant wait to keep learning and watching the world with you dude

[@atavrett89]

He literally called the guy the r word at the end of their discussion so I don't think this holds up at all.

[@davethebrahman9870]

An open air prison? I’ve been to a lot of prisons, never saw one where it was easy to get a pistol, let alone tens of thousands of rockets.

[@jameslopez9661]

Or where you choose to stay

[@davethebrahman9870]

@@jameslopez9661Ha! I prefer not to stay they have the wrong kind of bars

[@soulsmith4787]

They're taking food out of their citizens' mouths to stockpile it in tunnels alongside those rockets. A large part of these three things were made with the redirection of humanitarian aid. They're the ones responsible for *worsening* the conditions of their people.

[@ahmadauwad6912]

Honestly prison is better. They can’t control their water food or electricity. Can’t even leave. At least in prison you have a sentence and you dip they can’t.

[@ahmadauwad6912]

Have you ever seen videos and pictures of Palestine?

[@ethakis]

It baffles me that so many people think that arab states should be able to just wage war against Israel with impunity. It should be obvious to everyone that if you start a war with someone, then lose that war, you will lose territory or at least be made to pay for it in some sense.

[@EbonyPope]

Exactly what I think too. Israel should have kept the land because starting a war has consequences. We in Germany lost East Prussia and were displaced because we attacked Russia and nobody bats an eye because of that. It also would be a deterrent to other nations attacking them in the future. If you attack you have to be ready to lose vast parts of your territory. Full stop.

[@philipfreeman896]

Exactly, which is why Ukraine is about to become Russia lmfao loseerrrrrsss

[@AVikingNerd]

@@philipfreeman896not if Russia keeps losing territory and taking Ls, Putin hasn’t gained ground in the better part of a year.

[@dmytrogalan1005]

@@philipfreeman896 but Russia attacked Ukraine, so some punishment is in order The fact that you talk about such a war like it's some game really makes me question how damn stupid you could possibly be

[@Tespri]

Fun fact... That's how arabs expanded in the first place. They claimed that opposition started the war and each war was just defensive, after which they gained larger territories after winning the war. Funny how they cry when it's used against them as well.

[@corneliuspildershmidt]

What an AMAZING debate!

[@Real-fussball]

I love how equipped Destiny is with all that research that he did.

[@18andcloudy]

..that he did in the last few days? are you really that easy to lull?

[@Trancestorr]

@@18andcloudy 6 hours a day for almost a week on Wikipedia and various other sources from both sides is already way more than 99% of people who give their shitty opinions on the topic

[@Konanan]

He's evolving like a pokemon

[@danielc9967]

His research is weak, he could have put this guy in his place in 5 mins. Also the Nakba on wikipedia was edited recently to match the Palestinian narrative

[@18andcloudy]

@@Trancestorr Sure, but we dont listen to them do we? Also, he's chimed in a handful of times way before that bc he wanted to soak up the viewership, you know like a grifter would. Now he's having to double down instead of being an adult and just changing your opinion.

[@TheGabrielPT]

Oh no, Ive watched Vaush debate this guy on the Ukraine war, just another unhinged tankie

[@Zenbon111]

you sound like a vaush fan lumping everyone together.

[@orraz1526]

​@@Zenbon111cry tankie

[@memepolice8542]

@@Big-Papa-Smurf yeah, the one's who don't speak

[@PistonHonda87]

If he is against foreigners in someone else’s homelands, is he against all the Muslims in Europe?

[@Beta0999]

These types of people do not help the Palestinian cause at all, more extremism will only bring more violence. Him basically saying that a coalition against Israel by Arab nations is a way to end this conflict is extremely sad to see, if that happened Israel would certainly (and with justification) use its nuclear weapons.

[@wiredvibe1678]

It’s what happens when you have a hardon for revolution but only your mothers credit card to fund it

[@moemoe-jb2fw]

Ah yes only israelis get to act like terrorists

[@MarkG-nl4oq]

It wouldn’t even have to, first of all there’d likely be an uprising in Iran and Lebanon, secondly China and Russia will not go to war with the US and Britain and Israel for some Islamist rage fest against Israel directed by the IR. He really thinks the international community is just gonna pave the way for Israel’s annihilation for a group of idealogues who have screwed up every CIA backed color revolution. This is Marxist Afro-Arab wishcasting. Just say you have a fetish for watching your girlfriend taking Sudanese 🍆 while wearing a hijab and be done with it

[@darrene.vonbraun4421]

Will the stakes get lower over time?

[@hill4393]

people don't realize that once a country gets their hands on nuclear weapons that they're practically untouchable

[@QuartzTech]

TikTok Historian VS Highly Trained Wikipedia Enjoyer

[@BlackBeltMonkeySong]

The Grand Mufti called for a war of annihilation on the heals for 30+ years of pogroms. There were pogroms _during_ the 47/48 conflicts. This guy is clueless.

[@stefansekulic7903]

Does the communist know who al-Husseini is?

[@lil_truth]

Look, I know nothing about war. But I swear Guerilla Warfare was typically used as a defensive measure specifically on one’s home terrain that they are familiar with? I’m happy to be educated though

[@hmmman3850]

bro looks like a grown up high school jock 💀

[@TheColdOnez]

Dude looks like a 30 year old actor playing as a high school jock in a generic 90's movie.

[@So_Meh]

@@TheColdOnez bwaaaahaha 😂 💀

[@pffilms2522]

Giving you flashbacks?

[@freedomandguns3231]

The problem with these debates is that Destiny approaches it as "let me get info and then make my opinion" and his opponents did the reverse making their opinion and then trying to prove themselves right. He truly is a Communist

[@philipfreeman896]

Its so funny how happily anti intellectual and stupid Destiny fans are that they assume everyone else is as stupid as they are lol

[@itisno1]

Working backward from a conclusion.

[@jk7140]

​@@saniman959 my understanding of this guy is he defended incest and kept saying the n word, then got clowned on and starched by lefties online, and has since built a career around being a contrarian towards every broadly popular left wing opinion. Whatever I see him post seems to line up with this. One of his streams the other day he was doing "research" to build his strange, revisionist history of Israel and he was on a website made by the Moonies lmao.

[@Tespri]

@@saniman959 Doing research during debate and allowing it to change your mind isn't wrong attitude in debate. Also Israel's talking points are based on reality and facts. No leftist or arab has ever refuted them.

[@freedomandguns3231]

@@saniman959 what did he say that was false? Ill wait. I know Ill be here for a long time.

[@havanahasher7364]

The thought that a communist has any good ideas or a sound mind is comical.

[@vilebooey308]

Asking the real question... What note takling app is Destiny using?

[@solace20]

obsidian

[@HolyInspirations]

A communist with a $499 chair... the level of irony.

[@pffilms2522]

communism is when you never buy expensive things

[@thebigsteaks8752]

Communism is when you have to be poor, I almost forgot

[@kolanos]

Stalin had a luxury car collection.

[@HolyInspirations]

@@kolanos True ! He also had a nice watch collection.

[@philipfreeman896]

its so funny how you guys attack everyone else for the most minor shit but then gloss over the fact that Destiny does way worse just because hes like "im a sociopath so im not a hypocrite when i do horrible shit to every single person around me" lmfao. Fucking losers think being "hypocritical" is worse than being a pedophile wife beating child abandoner because their brains are shit

[@Brantoc]

Significant amount of land given to Israel in '47 was desert with no irrigation and no one there. It took 50 years to make the land usable for anything, that wasn't done by Palestinians, but Israelis.

[@KillingfalkONroblox]

He might say some crazy stuff with unfounded confidence.. But as far as ive seen 41:10 he has been very nice. No yelling, no cutting off etc. Thank you for coming on.

[@JimmyPerfect]

How come Destiny doesn’t push back on the claim that Palestinians are indigenous? This guy’s claim that Israel is a product of the colonial west is just as easily applied to the ancestors of the people who happen to inhabit modern Palestine, wherein the British imported a good chunk of the population as labor.

[@12trillioniq25]

"The Arab Nations wanted to make peace with Israel." "But doesn't them punishing Egypt for doing so make it seem like they view Israel as an enemy?" "Well, why wouldn't they view Israel as an enemy after the Nakba?" Is there a word for lacking object permanence, but it's with words? Once they're spoken, you just don't remember anymore?

[@ulysses7653]

Expression Impermanence, Term Evanescence, Locution Inconsistency. I came up with these myself. 🤓

[@richhenry8004]

Calling it an open air prison implies that they want to go somewhere else. Pretty sure the Israelis would be happy for them to leave if they wanted to go.

[@pffilms2522]

Why would Gazan's want to leave their homeland? Its a prison because they cannot leave to roam Israel or enter Egypt.

[@richhenry8004]

​@@pffilms2522 So the Egyptians securing their international borders makes anyone living in country near them a prisoner? You have a very odd idea of "prison".

[@pffilms2522]

@@richhenry8004 Egypt securing their own border is irrelevant to Israel's borders. Stop watching destiny and read a book

[@T-MoGaming]

Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire, it wasn’t Palestinians? Canaans maybe, but really just ottomans?

[@yaboijosh2645]

man..... this was a tough watch.. glad i speed it up, lol, WAIT!! he's a PhD STUDENT??!!! i thought this was some bro who just graduated with a communications degree or something hahha

[@SgtGitaroo]

I like how every single question he answers about anything is followed by at least 3 sentences of how much Israel is oppressing Palestine.

[@philipfreeman896]

I like how Destiny didnt know where Israel was on a map one week ago

[@philipfreeman896]

@@TubeWusel Do you think maybe he didnt "destroy the basic points" but instead that youre just stupid? lol

[@MintGum-sy8zs]

well isn't that relevant?

[@Holy_Grapefruit]

Its comedic how far left the left has gone on this subject that they looped around into an unironically far right position.

[@Howyodoinn]

I mean they're the nazis they claim to wanna punch literally now. 😂😂😂 it's hilarious. Everything is fine .

[@michaelgruber1824]

It's nothing new, kinda like when a whole nation blamed right wingers for "kids in cages" 2 months into a new administration for a policy that had been in place for 6+ months under the previous administration that was voted in by the same people mad at the other guys... To see the left as anything other than 2000 "traitor" style republicans is just a coping method.