Israel and Palestine | Middle Ground Roundtable

[@Trekyhunter]

"America doesn't support Israel" - what are they talking about? That's simply incorrect. It wasn't until recently that Palestine got the kind of media attention it has today.

[@bboylyte8639]

They cant grt over their bais, its only this year that mainstream media had somewhat started being truthful about the occupation.

[@ayaghadar1175]

True

[@JackFran4193]

I expect they’re referring to the fact that Biden lifted sanctions on Iran that directly funded the Hamas attacks on Israel. He did this twice in the last two months.

[@r-ex2945]

@@JackFran4193 He is doing that because of Oil and that Iran does not join the Brics countries totally because Saudi Arabia is acting up. It has nothing to do with supporting Hamas because Isreal needs Hamas to hide their aggressive attacks on Gaza. Neta said it himself.

[@ayaalioua2378]

America litteraly two days ago declined the ceasfire in palestine and it was the only country declining that ...

[@Xenomorph788]

Please get a fact checker. You used to provide facts at the bottom as text so we could read them. This episode needs it desperately.

[@Numinousness]

They did it in purpose

[@dystmaspera.1560]

@@Numinousness​​⁠and the purpose is that they are not even there, can you provide the valid facts? all information from this war are all BIAS, no place for neutral. just remember that!

[@mznxbcv12345]

Who started it? 7th - 1168 deaths, 600 civilians. Preceded by 2008, "cast lead" operation, - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440. 2014, "protective edge" operation, 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492. 2008-2022 162,000+ Civilian Casualties.

[@DoubleDOwnage]

your username feels ironic even though I know it's from Alien.

[@jankasen7039]

No body agrees. This is a super complex issue, and what one side accepts as facts, the other denies.

[@mariesindlerova9663]

Hearing the personal stories of everyone was powerful, but still I would love to see an episode with real experts, historians etc. on this topic

[@HerWanderlust]

Lots of great videos like that here on KZbin! Son of Hamas is one

[@ryojs4286]

There are many try IDG channel or Mohammed Hijab history of Jews which is 1h long Only the racists refuse to because he's not white enough for their tastes even with his multiple PhDs

[@acreativename2781]

The problem with listening to the vast majority of actual historians is that Israel would look very terrible. Which it is, it's an apartheid state. Jubilees vids don't exist to educate.

[@chew_cho47]

norman finkelstein would be PERFECT! & BEN SHAPIRO cause Norman would obliterate him in a debate.

[@radio-dada]

please no experts anymore

[@elinakangas571]

I wish Jubilee did anti-Israel vs pro-Israel Jewish people Middle Ground.

[@chrisdawson1776]

Pro-Israel Arabs and anti-Israel Jews.

[@cherryho9122]

🍿🍿🍿🪑🪑🪑

[@KenM-ic9bj]

Or anti-Palestine vs pro-Palestine Muslims/arabs.

[@thecomeupofficial]

@@KenM-ic9bjdoesn’t exist lmao

[@user-tu2py1qc2z]

​@@KenM-ic9bjYou will not find a single pro Israel Muslim.

[@daniyalhabib3385]

I want to be empathetic with the Israeli advocates, but it's hard when they have none themselves. Saying throwing rocks at tanks is terrorism is laughable and you cannot be taken seriously from then on.

[@habibihousepodcast]

Very true

[@JKDC97]

This whole conversation is exhausting to me. The victimhood of the Israel-sympathizers is insane when we're comparing David to Goliath: Israel receives billions of dollars in military aid from the U.S government. The Palestinians have nothing. The devastation between both sides is incomparable. Ariel admitting to partying on the beach when people are being murdered in an open air prison mere miles away says it all.

[@Smo-re9ch]

Facts

[@tonyp9884]

seriously. I am open to hear both sides, but that dork goes ahead and says something so inhumane. Very difficult to sympathize with them after that.

[@katrinaoconnor8183]

I stopped engaging after that.

[@thoughtdaughtermaria]

as much as it’s interesting to see regular people having this discourse, i think having actual historians and people with first hand experience would’ve made the discussion so much more educational, there wasn’t any fact checking in this which i feel it’s crucial for a conversation of this matter.

[@mariama8995]

Please don't tell me you're going to a jubilee debate for education on this issue

[@VoiceDivine]

That’s not really the point of middle ground. At least not in this prompt.

[@jasmineali5699]

Not the point of this at all. Go find a universo lecture for that.

[@GusShukeireh]

As others have mentioned if you want more of the same you have plenty of options and have come to the wrong place. Everyone here who’s directly affected deserves a voice, even moreso than the same redundant “historians” all over KZbin have have zero experience in this nor are actually affected by it. I think you should have just appreciated those of us who are currently mourning losses and directly affected by it giving our time to this and sharing our perspectives.

[@thoughtdaughtermaria]

i love how people are getting pressed over me asking for more discussions like these but with other people 😭

[@marwanawada4858]

is no one gonna mention the fact that they said that someone throwing a rock at a tank was terrorism and they derserved prison even if they were children. Why is everyone brushing past that, that absolutely disgusted and infurated me.

[@briannec2016]

Dude, SAME! I've been scrolling and I've only seen a couple comments saying crap like "well you didn't throw rocks", "fafo", and "rocks are so dangerous!" 😐...🤦‍♀️

[@takemetomarz]

Exactly.

[@harrison9074]

Martial law. Even In the u.s you throw a rock at a lapd officer. You will get thrown in jail for attempted assault do a peace officer. 6months to 1 year in jail for a first time offense.

[@SabersFPS]

Because it is terrorism, there have been numerous soldiers/civilians who have died by being struck by these rocks in the head. It’s easy to talk about it out of context but very complicated when you see the result of some of the blunt force trauma a “nonviolent” item like a rock can do to a person.

[@kevin.s04]

@@SabersFPS Throwing a rock is terrorism? Where is the proof that civilians and soldiers died by the rocks?

[@Raziaar]

Bring these same people back, to talk about the state of affairs 6 months further along.

[@Dudemeister]

I guarantee you the Israelis feel the exact same lack of concern for the Palestinians, they've spent the whole time focusing on themselves and the hostages

[@moviemhax939]

@@Dudemeister nope. you're completely wrong. watch both Israeli and palestinian civilians, what they say about each other is completely different.

[@ChaosSpell]

Remember when Jubilee used to put information and their sources on the screen when people would make quasi-anecdotal statements, to either confirm or fact-check blanketed and bias statements? I don't mind seeing people disagree but moderate more. At some point its just a third of the prompt's time is people talking over one another.

[@sobmodolo]

Yup! Was just going to say this!

[@Momo-po5tn]

Some peoples "facts" are misinformation or bias, so id rather they not. Let the audience do their own research.

[@MisterOoo]

@@Momo-po5tnon the other hand, if they put their sources up on the screen and in the descriptions you can still do your own research. Sometimes Jubilee presents a bias in their videos and it would make it easier to determine if they are doing so

[@FactStorm]

Asterisks would be everywhere if they had to advise discretion & post a caveat every second.

[@Jaaccoobbbb]

@@FactStormYya its super complicated like Israel shut off the water but it was 1 pipeline and there wouldve been btr pipelines and cleaning units if hamas hadnt used the pipes for missiles but then u can argue some of the outreach from Israel wasnt fair enough or diplomatic enough and shutting off the water is complicated too some ppl say its collective punishment but Israel says it was to make hostage negotiations faster cuz they hav a responsibility to defend their citizens and citizens of their allies LIKE DUDE even in a 100 years if we survive that long ppl r still gonna be arguing which side was worse or didnt do enough- imo Islam makes it impossible for Israel to take down the walls or allow btr visa traffic into their country and the world hates Jewish ppl and theyve been persecuted forever so they need a homeland but the settlements r messed up and should be abolished and Hamas 100% needs to be destroyed bfr any diplomatic decisions can be enacted cuz they pose an existential threat to every Jewish person in Israel

[@lTheBlackGuyl]

Jubilee you need to fact check what people say in the videos just like you do with every other middle ground video. Objective truth can be found here even if it proves someone wrong.

[@Basil_in_the_Wild]

As soon as they begin to do that, people on either side of the issue will immediately see bias. Fact checking isn’t as easy as just saying “true” or “false”

[@KB-fl3wr]

Especially the guy that kept using the argument of beheaded babies, that was debunked by even Israeli sources

[@stinkygremlin267]

​@@Basil_in_the_Wildthey literally did fact checking when it was a debate between scientists

[@matthewgauci7936]

@@stinkygremlin267some facts Re harder to verify especially when its a topic filled with misinformation

[@lTheBlackGuyl]

@@stinkygremlin267 exactly and these people still make up excuses ! This issues is not so complicated to where people can’t understand

[@theAverageJoe25]

You guys gotta have a moderator for these conversations, you also gotta have people who are experts in statistics and verifiable facts in these conversations instead of just those who come from personal trauma

[@andypehrson9316]

YES

[@pykng5695]

Correct

[@inkdropp1667]

No. We are in an active war. Such a thing as ''fact checking'' is almost impossible in such a short period of time.

[@Raquater]

These conversations between average everyday citizens from each sides of a debate is important to have without experts, professionals, etc bc it is a mirror reflection of everyday discourse of their lived experiences. Watching these Middle Ground series gives great perspectives of everyday people in the absence of experts

[@frooitbunch1309]

Anybody with a will and an open google browser would be fine too

[@Nonbinarymodel]

I wanna see these same people get together now and see how they feel

[@hannah8267]

Agree

[@anthonyhontz835]

pollywood

[@dimbulb2959]

Yessssss

[@MohammadTous-d4r]

@@anthonyhontz835ISNT REAL

[@anthonyhontz835]

@@MohammadTous-d4r huh

[@kylerjackson7909]

They should have a middle ground with actual facts and analysis

[@domerame5913]

We have that, the thing is that more or less only academics watch it. People don't actually want that. You want your ideas to be validated by someone better at manipulating the audience than these guys.

[@JoshwaLaw]

​@@domerame5913do we have something like that?? Do you know what it's called or where I can watch it? I'm actually very interested in seeing that

[@OmarRBR]

​@@domerame5913where?

[@dolphinman92]

Jubilee doesn’t really care about that

[@oldash8888]

The facts and analysis go against the israeli agenda

[@aishapasha6504]

Sorry but it's still so absurd to me that none of the Israelis were willing to admit Israel's continual occupation and oppression of Palestine. Gus is absolutely correct in saying that this conflict doesn't end until the occupation ends but if the other side can't even admit that occupation exists then there's still a long way to go to finding a resolution.

[@luther9678]

The thing is that, like Shaani said, there have been so many peace plans offered and yet they were all rejected. The only reason that displacement occurred was that there was a war and the Palestinians lost. Palestinians who decided to stay were given Israeli citizenship and are full Israeli citizens to this day, they make up 25% of the Israeli population.

[@habibihousepodcast]

Tomer said it as slip, then tried to correct himself

[@sanjaeger]

time stamp?@@habibihousepodcast

[@seacue9417]

​@@luther9678that's because the offers weren't even a meaningful change from the status quo. Israeli police, no borders, etc, it wasn't an actual offer.

[@FANTOllVll]

And the Palestinians can’t admit that Hamas is for the extermination of Jewish people and complete eradication of Israel. What’s your point?

[@okellolester1631]

Hearing the personal stories of lost loved ones, even from the people I disagree with. It’s deeply painful. You can see the pain on each face.

[@rasalove6669]

Amen and Ameem. May we one day all know peace.

[@joshuaw9009]

This here is the reason why you all keep fighting. How can you not assume that each one of those people who have died in ANY fight do not have 1 person that will miss or loved them?

[@rustyshackleford7656]

​@@joshuaw9009I don't see them saying that, you're assuming that about them. They were simply saying that it's painful to see it on these people, you can know of tragedy and have empathy, but when you see it it's much more impactful.

[@himynameis4701]

It’s telling how the conversation got toxic the moment the people who had not lost anyone joined the table.

[@GrandisArcanum]

What would you say you disagreed on and which people?

[@linab.5712]

I wish they could pull up their phones and show each other all the things they're talking about. The articles and videos and all the facts. It would contribute a lot to this exchange.

[@chrisdawson1776]

Why do you refuse to condemn Hamas?

[@linab.5712]

@@chrisdawson1776 I do condemn Hamas.

[@enzoloupp]

Yessss, or having a set of papers with all the sources they are talking about

[@chrisdawson1776]

@@enzoloupp Why do you not condemn Hamas?

[@enzoloupp]

@@chrisdawson1776 How do you know which side I am on??? I just said they should allow papers with their sources so they can prove stuff, I said nothing about the contents of the video, you ask people this question even tho they're not talking about the situation, per example someone talks about their favourite ice cream and you would ask why do you not condemn hamas LMAO some people are addicted to asking that question, the fact that you asked this question 2 months ago and now asking the same exact question, please find a hobby,

[@bee_bea_bhee147]

Craving a version of this between Armenians and Turks/Azerbaijanies. So many places are going through decade long wars and it's really disturbing how much we don't hear

[@terraguttierez2996]

Thats because there are major countries who are interested in that area. Also arabs have 40 something seats in the UN. there are so many un resolutions and actions about israel palestine but crickets about whats happening in other places pf the world.

[@rigatoni2000]

Sadly people don’t care as much about those conversations because they aren’t showing up on their “for you” pages. Everyone now has strong opinions and is a historian and activist for this issue because it boosts their social credit score, as crazy as that sounds.

[@thecalmingwitch]

Well I wouldn’t say the Turks have suffered like Armenians and Azeris have… they are the majority and they’re huge and very powerful. America is their ally and they’re the cause of so much grief. I wouldn’t respect a Turk who sat on this panel and defended their country for all the tragedies they’ve committed and continue to commit. They’re a bear squashing ants(us Armenians). There’s no fair fight or argument there.

[@unmastered6154]

@@terraguttierez2996 Wrong. Russia has been involved for years since the fall of the USSR. But since Nagorno-karabakh was invaded by Azerbaijan, Russia betrayed Armenia by doing nothing to help. Now they are actively seeking alliances with Western countries instead.

[@ayoub.3939]

​@@unmastered6154 women and kids getting beat by IDf this conflict is not like others if you follow the videos that come from there and im not from that region

[@stevenfreebairn2553]

It would've been REALLY great to have some older participants as well. When everyone is within 15-20 years of each other, even being on separate sides, it's hard to not feel like the group as a whole is missing some perspective.

[@kL-vs6wz]

Yes i wish they would have had older people on both sides that didn't just grow up in america.

[@SuperKripke]

That generation can't see past their rage. Peace belongs to this and future generations.

[@mgs85]

It's the young who are fighting the war though

[@supersymbol3]

​@@mgs85 No it's the grown ups fighting, the elders watching, and the new generations experiencing it

[@stevenfreebairn2553]

@@mgs85 True, but the war has been going on (and off, and on, and off) for decades. We could benefit from perspectives of older veterans or others affected by the conflict.

[@RJH755]

Imagine hearing someone talking about how a loved one was treated in prison and then responding "that's actually not true"

[@chrisdawson1776]

Do you condemn Hamas?

[@hunter.5625]

@@sylviesaurusrex6132 According to Islamic law, which is largely enforced by the Hamas authorities, a women's testimony is worth half that of a man's. The laws of adultery are also codified according to gender; an adulterer is punished with six months in prison, while an adulteress is jailed for two years.

[@hunter.5625]

@@sylviesaurusrex6132most of the Palestinian people don’t even support Hamas nor want them running the country

[@Artemidia]

She said what she heard from the parents of her ex husband. Thats not a FACT

[@theimpaler2317]

He was saying that all people are tried first before given a sentence, because the Palestinian woman said her ex husband was jailed for 4 years without a trial.

[@famecandance]

It’s funny how the main reason why this conflict exits in the first place is never talked about 💀 Yes I’m talking about Great Britain 🇬🇧

[@Ned88Man]

Great Britain is part and parcel of why so much of the world has had so much conflict in the past. They truly have a frightening history.

[@Bigboy124tof]

because not many actually care about the conflict and its history, they hate the Jews more than they love the Palestinians

[@russellhronek3432]

Bing bing bing and the rothchilds

[@MashedPota_Toes]

Not necessarily, it was definitely aggravated by the British presence in the region but at the same time you need to factor 2 milleniums and even more of foreign rules and different governments imposed on the region, with the ottomans being able to cause some level of balance and quietness but that didn't solve the issue of who the land belonged to, strictly because the ottomans claimed the land as theirs and subjected both groups respectively.

[@temujin6233]

This is 2000 years older than GB lol

[@Utss_s]

“There are human beings who are not sociopath who don’t tap into their empathy, because it takes intention to be empathetic”

[@Skapo]

Additionally when religion is involved you have codified behavioral structures that make dehumanization much easier. Especially the Abrahamic religions which were essentially evolved to be effective war vehicles to secure resources & social power for the relevant in-groups.

[@RobPires]

Religion has little to do with it. This is settler colonialism, Europeans came to Palestine in the early 1900s and created a state at the expense of an already existing population.

[@littlepoodle7443]

@@Skapo Religious trauma is crazy

[@2shy1151]

That's why we need to get back to the reality that we need to remember were all humans.

[@danieljessekaplan7034]

@@wahmad8211 stop assuming people can’t live without religion. I live without it just fine. And the assumption that every person requires it as a fundamental element of their life is offensive to me

[@imperator692]

11:51 This is insane. She literally described how her ex husband was imprisoned, tortured, starved, and beaten for throwing a rock at a TANK and this dude is just like "not true"

[@TouringFunkBand1]

Wasn’t it before she even knew her husband? Sounds like there’s details missing

[@Maranatha371]

She was lying, she didn’t even know her ex- husband at that time. She doesn’t have the fact

[@giancarlosoto-cervantes3955]

@@zeyv4551bro YALL all need to watch that part again, yes she said that all of that happened BEFORE she met him or even got married, she knows that happened to him because HIS family told her about it and how HIS FAMILY noticed he was different after the experience, she deadass says that In the video

[@jamesdawson2906]

@@Maranatha371he told her

[@rai2423]

The funny thing is that is a regular occurrence in the West Bank. Shows how little that guy actually knows about Israel.

[@kathryn6092]

Jubilee has the potential to be a really great channel, but their debates are always incredibly hard to follow because they DO NOT MODERATE!!! If they had a moderator who was capable of actually doing the job these videos would be so much better. People screaming over each other is not a debate. It’s a grating shouting match. Edit to clarify: Many people have been commenting that they don’t want a moderator because they want everyone to have the chance to speak - I agree. That’s exactly WHY you need a moderator, whether it’s a proper debate or simply a heated discussion. I want everyone to have an equal opportunity to talk and not have to constantly say “Can you please stop interrupting me?” “Can I please finish my statement?” “Can I please answer the actual prompt?” They shouldn’t have to fight to speak. A moderator isn’t there to censor, (when done correctly) they’re there to ensure that everyone on the panel has an equal opportunity to speak.

[@kianna270]

Also they clip so many conversations down to the most basic statements. It’s not even interesting sometimes bc it’s clear they edit out the actual debate parts of some questions. They should release unedited footage.

[@Justin-yt7pi]

Debate is like war. Let it be and see who wins in this game.

[@jamesdragonforce]

@@Justin-yt7piNo it’s not. Debate SHOULD be about analyzing the facts (they also URGENTLY need a fact checker) and critically assessing the opinions expressed, without people talking past or yelling angrily at each other. War is the last thing everyone needs.

[@he4vin]

the topics/talking points seem so vague and are just blankstatements instead of statements that can be debated. "i have lost someone in war" these just seem like agreeable statements. of course both israel and palestine supporters have lost people, how is that a talking point? what can be debated? these topics aren't even starting the conversations that could potentially lead to a middle ground. seems like we are purposely avoiding the harsh conversations for feelings sake. if we want each side to truly attempt to understand each other we have to push boundaries and stop being scared to debate.

[@keithfiredive]

They clearly moderate and edit out the moderation. They do this on purpose to have the effect of humans sitting around a dinner table and being able to talk.

[@firthm2]

Actually, Palestinians in the West Bank are not granted the same judicial rights and processes as Israeli citizens. Palestinians can be held in administrative detention in Israeli prisons for years without trial, because they are under martial law. Israeli citizens, on the other hand, are under civil law, and would never be held in administrative detention for years without trial. The Israelis in this video don't know the facts, which have been documented by many human rights organizations and even described clearly in Israeli government documents.

[@djblades]

Out of all the middle ground topics and episodes jubilee should have moderated, this should have been one they needed to.

[@mohammedyakub3760]

Yeah they moderate other middle ground episodes but not this one

[@radio-dada]

no need for moderation, people can speak for themselves, all of them were wonderful

[@Twig.With.No.Muscle]

people can speak for themselves

[@aidantarango5158]

@@radio-dadathe isreal side was constantly talking over and interrupting wuesitons

[@user-ts6yi3gk6d]

⁠@@aidantarango5158 only because the palestinian side was invalidating everything the israelis said

[@ellagcharleson]

“If you were born Jewish you would’ve been me. If I was born Palestinian I would’ve been you.” So powerful. We really are all just fighting for peace among humans. It’s deeply unfortunate that a handful of unempathetic greedy politicians get to determine the state of the world.

[@dieauferstehung]

kinda shows how racist israel is and how much apartheit exists there tbh , that was a selfreport.

[@thesunisup_]

It doesn't make any sense. Two millions of Palestinian arabs live in Israel as citizens, some of them serve in IDF at this very moment. This clearly shows that it has nothing to do with ethnicity and has everything to do with culture, to assume otherwise is racist.

[@Firstname_Surname]

@@dieauferstehung Palestinians are not Israeli citizens

[@JXekil_I]

@@Firstname_Surname💯👍🏻

[@ThatDude925]

@@dieauferstehung there is literally no apartheit. you just proved that you are purposly uneducated. there are about 2million arabs in israel. all of them are citizens of israel. they have equal rights like any other citizen of israel. there are arab parliament members, arab judges. and there was a famous case an arab citizen put an israeli prime minsiter in prison. so if that is apartheid i wish every country in the world would be like that.

[@_ledeep]

Disappointed seeing Jubilee not fact-checking any of the information stated in this video. This is something they have done for every debate ever posted on this channel, except this video... how convenient.

[@Whirlbee]

Agreed, some of the stuff that's been said even Israeli media have backtracked on saying it was false

[@אדראלקיים-ט3כ]

⁠@@Whirlbeeeverything the Israelis said is a fact. Nothing they said was proven ‘false’ by Israeli media or any.

[@Whirlbee]

@@אדראלקיים-ט3כ Haaretz has published about investigations around it, even the IDF & Israeli PR have said there were never beheaded babies

[@Theinksohju]

@@אדראלקיים-ט3כ40 babies…yet it was actually 2 and they admitted this.

[@jiminici3351]

@@אדראלקיים-ט3כYou’re so brainwashed not even the israeli media convinces you? Lmao

[@abbysmadja6798]

Shawnni and Jinan were so well-spoken, respectful and polite

[@frishter]

This conflict has shown to me that people who have no idea what they're talking about really shouldn't speak. So many people think that they're so certain of a long term conflict because some influencer weighed in on their non historian opinion.

[@Skapo]

Thank you! I'm pulling my hair out because people are mind numbingly ignorant of history as they keep calling for genocide. Many of which don't realize that's what they are calling for. Even a little bit of reading on wikipedia would add so much context, but they can't be bothered to even do that much and just keep doubling down on stuff that they have no understanding of.

[@notafrah]

Doesn’t require a brain of newton to just be against ethnic cleasing genocide and colonialism ❤

[@Spoontamer4]

And mostly it's leftists in the west who claim to be israel/palestine experts

[@giveitup0996]

Not really , the truth is Islam should be abolished no matter the cause

[@allme1000]

I'm not reading all that tbh Israel better js free Israel 🇮🇱🙌

[@vanessarussell7048]

Thank you all for telling your stories, despite how hard it looked to do so. I pray for an end to this conflict and peace for your families

[@muniramajor7597]

its not a conflict its genocide

[@serenitybysaf]

if only it were a conflict

[@Liyyaxx]

@@muniramajor7597this word seems to have been watered down over the past couple months.

[@muniramajor7597]

And yet you still dont get it@@Liyyaxx

[@allme1000]

Nga idgaf Israel better 🇮🇱🙌

[@anita4305]

interesting how women are labeled as "too emotional" to be leaders or whatever, yet here women were the ones most ready to listen to the other party while the men were bickering

[@rasalove6669]

I thought the women were incredible all around. And of the men, talal was great. It especially touched my heart when he mentioned that both Jews are Muslims are descendants of the same prophets and are brothers.

[@JXekil_I]

No one says that😂

[@Duckduckobtusegoose]

@@JXekil_Ithere’s no need to lie. The few women that have been in power of a country have been scrutinized brutally for their presumed lack of emotional regulation before displaying anything to justify such a statement.

[@JXekil_I]

@@Duckduckobtusegoose wdym lie, I’m not lying😂. Can you give me more than one example where people have acted in such a way? I’m not a liar, maybe I’m just uneducated, but you can determine that by proving me wrong.

[@itsdavinaaa1785]

@@JXekil_Ijust because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it isn’t real, the world doesn’t revolve around you

[@SamsungA03s-bu9gp]

While Jews in Israel have faced significant challenges, the Palestinians have endured decades of severe hardship and oppression in their own homeland. Their experiences include displacement, living under occupation, and facing restrictions on their rights and freedoms. we should not forget the current genocide happening in Palestine. The world stands with Palestine. Free Palestine 🇵🇸

[@chrisdawson1776]

Do you condemn Hamas?

[@slammermchammer]

​​@@chrisdawson1776 do you condemn israel for the record breaking civilian death toll

[@chrisdawson1776]

@@slammermchammer I condemn Israel for not solving this problem decades ago and letting the Palestinians live in fantasy land.

[@mza4739]

​​@@chrisdawson1776You need to learn history. Israel have committed decades of atrocities against Palestine, and you're painting any sort of retaliation as terrorism. Remember, occupation is terrorism. Not the other way around.

[@nasreenbh.7373]

The "according to the law" discourse doesn't work. It's used to try and protect Israel, but it's never followed. Greatest example is all the international laws that Israel has violated against Palestine. If the international laws aren't being followed, how can you say your national laws are?

[@habibihousepodcast]

yup

[@estabanfiesta3806]

lol oh its international law you say?? hamas is great at international law huh??

[@mrbshbsh4122]

​​@@estabanfiesta3806why is it that we should condemn hamas but not the IDF? Human shields? 18000 palastenians died only 100 of them were members of hamas That means every 15 hamas fighters hide behind 2700 civilians....weird ratio isn't it?

[@sidoso9810]

we in argentina have a saying which goes ''made the law, made the trick''

[@nami20622]

@@estabanfiesta3806 But isn't Hammas the evil people, with your logic then the IDF are just terrorists like Hammas!

[@av9293]

Without any fact checking or moderation in discourse, how would Jubilee ever breakthrough anything substantial with topics like these? I hope they see the feedback and take that into consideration!

[@mznxbcv12345]

Who started it? 7th - 1168 deaths, 600 civilians. Preceded by 2008, "cast lead" operation, - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440. 2014, "protective edge" operation, 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492. 2008-2022 162,000+ Civilian Casualties.

[@Nick-mv7wv]

The goal isn’t to break through to find any truth. The goal is to get views and comments, which is precisely why they don’t moderate. And hey, it worked, here we are.

[@prinnycupcakes4992]

lol for real, and that one girl says she can't go on facebook daily because she will see lists of people dying... like HOW. its in the statistics@@mznxbcv12345

[@SnowsStorm1]

@@mznxbcv12345so are you suggesting hamas was justified on October 7th because of something that happened TEN YEARS earlier? If so was Israel justified because of something In 2005?

[@mznxbcv12345]

2008-2022 162,000+ numbers of the 7th was a statistical error lol save porcine tears for someone else.

[@MsForeverFluffy]

Jubilee, you need to have someone fact checking things because we won't come to any conclusions at this rate.

[@maazmustafa2322]

Well guess what many historians who're themselves Jewish like Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein are a nightmare for Zionists. Surprising how we all listen to Noam Chomsky on everything but reject him on this issue

[@mznxbcv12345]

Who started it? 7th - 1168 deaths, 600 civilians. Preceded by 2008, "cast lead" operation, - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440. 2014, "protective edge" operation, 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492. 2008-2022 162,000+ Civilian Casualties.

[@DefinitelyNotDc]

Jubilee shouldn't be responsible for peoples own "research" jubilee are jsut interviews but may have misinterpreted what you said.

[@Centaur987]

@@mznxbcv12345 it anything I'd say neither side started it. It would be either the UN for giving the land away or the neighbouring nations attacking israel on ints formation

[@jcp1984again]

@@mznxbcv12345 , the further you go back in history, the more muddled the righteous truth becomes. That's the problem.

[@demonrelm2474]

Jubilee's next video: can a Palestinian child and an Israeli missile find common ground??

[@purabj3604]

exactly

[@jjanney850]

Such a clownish comment. You've been watching CNN haven't you? Or are you a college student?

[@purabj3604]

@@jjanney850 bootlicking won't do you any favours buddy

[@alexfilma16]

@@purabj3604But what if he really enjoys the taste?

[@nope6908]

So they shouldn't talk at all?

[@anvisup]

Not sure if people here can relate, but we need an episode with Indians and Pakistanis. I’m sure a lot of the south Asians would be interested to see that.

[@jhunt5578]

That would be interesting to me and I'm from the UK and mixed white and black.

[@Doomer_Optimist]

I agree wholeheartedly.

[@fozianoreen3495]

No we don’t need an Indian and Pakistani episode 😂 pls I’m an Pakistani and pls don’t put us next to Indian. We don’t want anything to do with yall indian, leave US PAKISTANIS ALONE.

[@fozianoreen3495]

Nah 😂 u can’t compare Israel Palestine with Pakistan and india . Very different and we Pakistanis don’t want anything to do wit y’all Indians

[@Kashmirimuslimakhi]

Include Kashmiris in there too to be fair in that

[@robertwatson5030]

Ariel was completely wrong about his comment on Palestinians standing a fair trial. Palestinians of the occupied West Bank, are not citizens of Israel. Thus in Zone B, or Zone C, where the Israeli military has legal and de facto military control, when the military arrests Palestinian Arabs they are arrested and treated like military subjects. And thus not awarded the same legal rights as an Israeli citizen, who would be arrested in Israel. It is estimated that there are over 1200 Palestinians, who are held in Israeli prisons without trial.

[@LaraCookie5]

This video was full of bios.

[@feelingveryattackedrn5750]

Hes an insane person for saying that. At least she was like "that is the rule of the land but maybe not the reality". Palestinians constantly protest this. Families speak to outlets all the time about their loved ones being taken away.

[@elinabelov2646]

could you give me your source for the last your last statement

[@ElectricPansies]

I have some facts below, and have cited sources, although it is up to you if you want to believe them: “500-700 children are detained by Israeli Forces every year. Around 13,000 have been arbitrarily detained, interrogated, tried in military courts and imprisoned since 2000, with thousands detained before this date.” Source: Defence for Children International - Palestine. “Research by ‘Save the Children’ found that Palestinian minors in Israeli detention endured physical, emotional and s*xual abuse. These children were often arrested at night and blindfolded with their hands and feet tied. 86% said they had been beaten, 69% said they had been strip-searched. Children reported being interrogated at unknown locations without a lawyer or parent present.” Source: Save the Children. “Israel allows minors to be prosecuted in military courts, which may accept confessions obtained by coercion or torture. 500-700 children are tried in military courts in Israel every year, the most common charge is stone-throwing, which can a prison sentence of up to 20 years.” Source: Defence for Children International - Palestine.

[@AFIXFORNIX]

To maintain some of the autonomy, Palestinians have their own legal system that handles all crimes that are not security-related. For security-related crimes, Palestinians are trailed by a legal entity under the Israeli military. If you judge Palestinians in Israel's normal justice system, this is de facto annexation of the West Bank. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want Israel to annex the Occupied Territories? This is not done to hurt Palestinians, and being trailed in military court doesn't mean you get an unfair trial. This is simply done to avoid annexation.

[@GusShukeireh]

This was stressful 😅. Wish everyone could’ve seen more than just 30%~ (we spoke for over 4 hours easily). Unfortunately, there were so many important points and discussions that people are not going to get to see. Either way, I appreciate the opportunity to share my life perspective and experience. Thanks to all of the people spreading love. ❤

[@len-1768]

I’m glad you had the opportunity to talk about your side’s perspective. I may not agree with everything everyone said, but watching this video helps me develop a better understanding of where everyone is coming from. It’s great to watch you in this video.

[@brigardnerr]

I don’t understand why they would not just upload the entire episode, maybe in two parts or something. This is such an important conversation

[@WickedWestCreations]

They need to release the full video!!

[@GusShukeireh]

@@WickedWestCreations I’ll make a KZbin video about it soon!

[@_DeadlyNightshade_]

You were really trying to be patient and it is understandable. The amount of trauma the Palestinians went and still are going through till this day is unimaginable. The fact that one of the Israelis mentioned partying (seems like parties and music festivals are a frequent thing over there) while Palestinians are barely living a stable life just says it all. It is clear from this interview and after seeing other interviews with Israelis (in parks, the beach and mall) that they're living a much more privilaged life with many of them not knowing anything about politics or history. Sending hope, strength, love and support from Jordan

[@ambernoel3992]

i wish people would just talk and listen and have a friendly conversation/debate instead of trying to catch someone else slipping up or something, like its really setting a stage for arguments and thats not going to help anyone.

[@Sangu-gh3]

while I´d welcome it, you have to keep in mind, that people do have emotions, and behind this emotions are opinions, and those emotions and opinions are tied to experiences and those experiences are tied to our reality, wich leads to our conclusions. It´s easy to have a chill conversation if you are not involved, but if you are involved all this factors mather a lot, this is why making peace is so hard.

[@juarez94as]

While this discussion was very interesting and complex, the moderation of this debate was nonexistent. I was genuinely confused with everyone speaking at the same time during certain prompts.

[@juliekennedy9891]

I think that they didn’t moderate so as not to, whether consciously or subconsciously, indicate a bias. Any moderation would have taken away from the free-flowing exchange and made it seem as if the media outlet had a specific perspective.

[@7kvmi]

yup I was surprised the moderator just let that happen

[@mlad5274]

@@juliekennedy9891 They do it with every other video though

[@rasalove6669]

That’s what I liked about it. Imagine if Shawnee and talal could be the leaders of Israel and Palestine, life would be beautiful.

[@jonathanludd]

They are adults, they can moderate themselves. And I think that they did try to do so.

[@Gking617]

Comparing a rock to a tank is crazy.

[@habibihousepodcast]

it is in their playbook

[@VeteranWayne]

What's even crazier is calling someone a terrorists for throwing a rock at a tank! Secondly, the tank is not in Israeli it is in occupied West Bank.

[@bajjanitor]

What was the comparison?

[@oc5297]

It’s called war

[@VeteranWayne]

@@oc5297 So this happens before the "war".

[@Vesperstel]

I think it would’ve been better to bring actual Israelis and Palestinians together for this debate. Americans can’t really speak for either side.

[@asmaasaeed7672]

but it still doesn't invalidate their views and opinions.

[@Nyabennah]

50,000 in the streets of Texas supporting Palestine says otherwise.

[@erinannxx5867]

I guarantee all of new york supports isreal. ​@@Nyabennah

[@omrikasier3370]

fr they only saw things from the news and then they say that the news is not a trustworthy source

[@memoriaelle]

they already did a video 5 years ago. a new one with other people and prompts would be nice tho

[@INTUITIVENORSK2303]

As an outsider watching this with deep interest, I wish to convey, that I'm very sorry for all of your deep losses, on either side. May all innocent souls who've died, RIP.

[@hamzagazawi4575]

"If you throw a rock, you're a terr*rist" WTF !?

[@Arbelsh]

You don't no the situation than be quiet

[@jude4400]

@@Arbelshshut up

[@hamzagazawi4575]

@@Arbelsh If you don't know how to spell simple english words, use a dictionary or auto-correct. :)

[@shaimael-elaimy590]

​@@ArbelshI'm curious, what would you do if you were in the place of the Palestinians?

[@FatRonaldo1]

@@shaimael-elaimy590I often (try to) look at conflicts by putting myself in the other persons shoes and it is really helpful and I totally agree if I was a Palestinian I probably would throw rocks at the tank, but you also have to think about what you’d do if a whole village starts throwing rocks at your military vehicle. You either flee the area or arrest them there’s not much other choice

[@5starrr.mariii__]

we need a video with pro-palestine and pro-israel jews! it would be so interesting.

[@len-1768]

Followed by a video with pro-Israel Arabs and pro-Palestine Arabs.

[@riccles8331]

and one with arabs

[@n_justwatching]

Yes! That would definitely be an interesting episode

[@savannahrichardson254]

Plsss😊

[@ELJason2006]

It would be boring a convo between nationalists and traitors

[@brandonchristopher9657]

Last time I checked throwing a rock should not be grounds for terrorism I mean that's ridiculous I mean if you think that way you are immoral and ignorant

[@lybakhan6246]

exactly! Israel is also the only country in the world that punishes children in military court.

[@bertinbihizi1645]

I was like whattttt the F*

[@ayaghadar1175]

Yeah like what ??? That's not normal

[@ethanweimer-kopf6907]

@@lybakhan6246 because those children are carrying bombs and stabbing people.

[@tangocat670]

the way he just called her a liar to her face too...

[@stevetherex13]

as someone with family in Ukraine, I 100% agree that it hits differently when it's your family at risk. when you have no stake in a war, it's easy to sympathize with one side or the other, or both even, but when it's your family it's different. when it's your little brother in a trench, when it's your cousin's mangled remains being recovered from their bombed apartment, or your little cousin's body which was recovered in a mass grave. it absolutely hits differently. it becomes near impossible to see the other side as human, let alone have sympathy for their lost loved one's, if it wasn't for Russians I knew in collage and HS who were genuinely amazing people. I don't think I'd be able to separate every day Russians from the Russian state in my head.

[@partsofhazymind]

I would also want to see Non-Israeli and Non-Palestinian people to talk about same topic in order to see the effect of media. Also thank you all for sharing your personal experiences it really helped empathizing with all of you.

[@hsahrish7757]

Yesssss I totally agree

[@truzle6133]

That is exactly what all of them were agreeing we DO NOT need! There are already too many non jews, non Palestinians, people who have no stake in this, people who have no education in this, giving their two cents. It is not needed.

[@almog7337]

No, really unnecessary and childish. They have nothing to do with the war

[@hsahrish7757]

@@almog7337 what do you mean? There are millions of non Palestinian people who support palestine. What's childish about that

[@k.a._135]

This already happens in media and there is a lot of it. You have jordan peterson, Owen Jones, Peirs morgan ironically with all the KZbinrs reacting to his interview clips, and many more examples.

[@Omar-lv1eb]

Jonah’s comment to Talal while they were hugging in the last few seconds of the video during the b-roll saying “if you were born Jewish you’d be me, and if I were born Palestinian, I’d be you” was probably the most simple, insightful and empathetic comment I’ve ever heard.

[@haroonafridi231]

There are/were Jewish Palestinians too

[@2shy1151]

That point of view is the best place to re start these kinds of conversations. I don't expect the governments to do that, but someone has to.

[@danieljessekaplan7034]

All the Palestinian supporters here were Arabs and all the Israeli supporters in this are Jewish. Just two sides trying to protect their families, as simple as that

[@abdullah-sx2qf]

You mean Israeli, not Jewish

[@Theoneandonlybish]

Not true real jews are pro palestine its against their religion to have a country called israel

[@mrmoo156]

Ariel is a perfect example of the problem. He could not accept the fact that Israel is not innocent in this conflict. He always tried to push the blame on the others. Everyone else was much more reasonable and I enjoyed listening to them all.

[@xdidi2233]

Why not?

[@pyrytoivonen3237]

His stance is perfectly understandable in the sense that he was the one who had most personal stakes in the conflict (he was there during the attack and lost friends which is pretty traumatic). The trauma doesn't really allow objective viewpoint.

[@mrmoo156]

@@pyrytoivonen3237 I understand that and really do empathize with him, but it doesn't excuse the fact that denying the atrocities committed by Israel is still wrong.

[@xdidi2233]

@@mrmoo156 so what should Israel do?

[@xdidi2233]

@@pyrytoivonen3237 most of the stuff he said are facts, not feeling…

[@TheGNARcandy]

girl with the glasses the only one that gets it. We are being fed what we want to eat.

[@pickletickler8665]

nah 😂 are we watching the same video? shes literally the most delusional one

[@lilyravech5944]

100% agree. She spoke so much sense and saw through to the bigger picture.

[@chinenyenwamuoneke]

Its odd to say Israel isnt more supported in the west when our government just recently equated criticizing Zionism to antisemitism.

[@AllanPowell]

Smart people support Palestine. Idiots support israel

[@Phara8471]

Chanting 'by any means' for sure does sound antisemitic to any reasonable person

[@rockstarburne]

amongst the people, there are alot of people on either side.

[@chinenyenwamuoneke]

@@Phara8471 I said more supported not completely. I'm not denying the existence of antisemitic people in the west or in the pro-Palestinian movement but its certain not the majority of protesters and they should still be given the freedom to criticize a government thats committing atrocities just like people are free to condemn Hamas without it being anti-palestinian.

[@kianna270]

Yeah our government has a relationship with Israel, but the media and prominent figures are more supportive of Palestine.

[@scareglare]

Not directly related to the topic, but I think it's nice that there's a table that people can sit at now. It's different than the other videos but it's nice to see people relax behind a table and it's literally going with the phrase, "a seat at the table".

[@habibihousepodcast]

It’s a start for sure

[@EveaGornall]

Even in the Israeli-Palestine Middle Ground video from 5 years ago, they all sat at a table and then shared a meal at the end. It was beautiful

[@iamandreadaniela]

I respect the way Jinan kept her composure even when she was constantly being interrupted. I don’t think I could have been that patient 👏🏼

[@kL-vs6wz]

I totally agree, that was frustrating.

[@Ronaldmc_Donald4758]

same with shawnni every time she was trying to speak she would only be given 2 seconds before someone would interrupt her and it infuriated me just let everyone have their time to speak their part before everyone just jumps in.

[@mystery8207]

@@Ronaldmc_Donald4758shawni literally told lies on top of lies

[@isaburntcake]

@@mystery8207 same w Ariel 😭 like 40 beheaded babies isn’t even true. And the babies in ovens were actually Palestinians.

[@fatumaosman9099]

@@Ronaldmc_Donald4758no she was the one who spoke the most she even went on for a whole minute and lied about Israel not controlling Gaza’s water supply

[@Veruska75]

Thank you Reena and Shanni for bringing intelligence and trying to find solutions with acknowledgement and empathy.

[@NS-et5wh]

How is she saying Israel doesn't control the water situation, when their government itself openly state how they shut it off? The PWA (Not PAW as she said), only provides 6% of the water in Gaza as far as I can see when I search it up. And the PWA buys it from Israel, so that is not in any way an argument to suggest Israel doesn't control the water supply to Gaza. The main thing PWA does is allocating the water that is already in Gaza, they don't control how much is able to get into Gaza. THAT is what Israel controls

[@poop101752]

Many sources any be in Hebrew (for Israeli sources) or Arabic and that may be a reason you can’t find more information on it and the speaker in the video was able to find more information.

[@GadiBar]

Aybe ask yourself why dont they have water in first place? How do they have missiles, weapons, tons of tunnels and money for all the above, but not basic infrastructure? They want israel to help? Then ok they help. But its not their responsibility especially not in war

[@josefabuaisheh6262]

@@GadiBar They have missiles because they smuggle them in and/or built them in Gaza. They probably have smuggled some food and water into Gaza, however Israel controls the entire strip. Every money that comes officially to Gaza, has first to go through Israel. Every food that comes to or out of Gaza has to be approved by Israel. Egypt also follows Israel commands. Even crazier before oct 7th, Israel had controlled the calorie intake for the population and limits entry of imports to below average needs for humans. Obviously Gaza also provides some of the food for their people, but generally they have to rely on Israel, because they control their every border. As an occuppying force, they are also obliged to keep the occupied party nourished or else it again is considered a war crime under international law. They obviously can lift the almost 20yr siege of Gaza and let them get food and water from other sources. Also did you know that Israel steals the water from the west bank and sells a limited amount back to them? Israelis have approx. 4 times the amount of water than the people in the west bank.

[@renraymond9121]

Gaza receives the most aid out of anywhere in the world. They get hundreds of millions of dollars every year. Where is the water infrastructure, where did the money go?

[@svm4060]

​@@GadiBar Its not a war in the first place Its a genocide

[@BuffPomsky]

If youre not willing to listen, you shouldnt be on this show. Many people seem to be here not to listen or find middle ground, but to instead convice the other side. Regardless of who you support, always be open to discussion and facts.

[@andysplants]

I agree, they shouldn't be allowed to speak over each other either, it's a blatant lack of respect. Ariel repeatedly interrupted everyone else, even when he didn't really have anything to add to the conversation other than 'I don't believe that'. If I was organizing debates like these I wouldn't allow people to interrupt each other from either side, maybe there's one microphone, and each person takes turns, perhaps politely raise their hand to speak next if they have something else to add. Its a respect issue and it's a practical issue. This is supposed to be a discussion, and I can't understand anything being said in the moments where there are 2,3, or 4 people talking over each other, all at once.

[@stinkygremlin267]

You can't fecking get middle ground when people are debating genocide.

[@Random-sk6hm]

​@@andysplants I agree, Ariel and Gus from the Palestine side kept interrupting. They weren't there to find middle ground.

[@marcosceles2789]

​@@stinkygremlin267My thoughts exactly, sometimes one side is just wrong

[@tayhonorable7421]

@@andysplantshe was insufferable the entire time. Anyone from the Palestinian side: “kids are dying…” Ariel: NO. NOT TRUE. KHAMAS! KHAMAS! My goodness.

[@Yeerok]

He legit said throwing a rock is terrorism 😂 y’all can’t be fr. A child throwing a rock is terrorism.

[@GusShukeireh]

😂 my reaction says it all

[@noonieh7008]

They’re insane

[@ginamarie2953]

They're taught that arabs and palestinians are their natural enemy..

[@ILOVEPALESTINE-e2n]

😂 exactly!

[@TeamProU]

Bruh I know that’s nuts

[@Vienna6Boy]

I would love to see the same round table now, 9 months later. Please make it happen

[@augjake]

i agree

[@nabila4692]

23:12 she mentioned how they're not getting to hear first-hand experiences from each other online, but I'm sorry when the blond lady gave first-hand experience, she was completely shutdown and told that her ex-husband's experience is not true, that 's not what happens

[@DeviYim]

First, she said her husband had to go to prison without a trial. When the Israelis said that couldn't be the case, she changed her words and said he didn't have a fair trial. So I think the correction was important. To say that people are in prison for years without any trial is in fact a lie that has been exposed thanks to the objections of the Israelis.

[@Yeh-f8x]

That's wut always happens

[@nabila4692]

@@DeviYim fair enough I didn't catch on to that

[@KriminalRecords-u5b]

Yes, I caught that too.@@DeviYim

[@MarwanMahdy]

@@DeviYim maybe she meant in total a "fair trial" as any kind of trial. it doesn't matter if it applies to her husband but as a whole this happens to thousands of Palestinians. You can google how many Palestinians are in Israeli prisons without trial, the number will surprise you. (spoilers: 4450 indefinitely incarcerated without charge, some of them are children)

[@ryhno11]

The continuous victimizing and denial of palestinian experience over the 75 years is insane.Even when Reema talked about a personal experience with her husband the guy still somehow denied it.Wild

[@captainredtorch]

cry

[@ryhno11]

@@captainredtorchno

[@JeferonConor]

Yea I was shocked they said that never happened and that due trial is always a constant in israel. Not in the West Bank. The West Bank is subject to military courts which are known for arbitrary detainment and no trials. This is one of the reasons Palestinian advocates call it “apartheid” I avoid this term bc it is loaded and often muddies the grounds of the conversation, however it is relevant in terms of the court system, segregation, education, and voting rights!

[@Random-sk6hm]

@@JeferonConor There's definitely malpractice in certain areas, but the Israeli law categorically states that everyone is entitled to a free and fair trial as a fundamental principle

[@rain-cy6ve]

I personally think her story is missing some facts, I dont really believe her. "Throwing rocks" is not the innocent thing she makes it out to be.

[@esterelina]

I know this discussion is about how the two sides see and experience the situation, but I still think it would have been important to have a fact checker go over many statements. They could have just put a little fact check banner on top with a source every time someone made a broad or strong statement. For example I don't think Shawnni deliberately lied about anything but I'd like to read more about the water issues in Gaza.

[@jelenamilutinovic288]

I couldn't agree more

[@Tactical-Black]

But who's facts because even then they'll say oh that not true especially if it is someone from Palestine

[@itsGiGi-]

Then the video will magically be removed from youtube and Jubilee will suddenly be pushed into oblivion. Facts are not allowed where zionists are involved.

[@Robzabest25]

some things can't be fact checked

[@lenaferwerda9825]

​@@Robzabest25if you have two people, one who is saying that it is raining and the other who says it isn't your job is not to quote both but look out the window, there is picture, video and personal stories proving how Israel is in control of how much water is allowed into gaza, and they provide less then the bare minimum requirement

[@jenniferhackeman7715]

This is by far one of my favorite Middle Ground Episodes, it helped me to see both sides of the story. It totally humanized both sides. Thank you to all that spoke on this issue. Amen to all people and all peace.

[@chrisdawson1776]

Do you condemn Hamas?

[@almahi1773]

@@chrisdawson1776 Is this a joke to you? Have some humanity

[@chrisdawson1776]

@@almahi1773 If you have humanity, you will condemn Hamas.

[@almahi1773]

@@chrisdawson1776 well obviously, but you kinda sound like you’re cynical about it, instead of actually mean it

[@chrisdawson1776]

@@almahi1773 Is English your tenth language?

[@dimbulb2959]

Jubilee should really fact check everything that's being talked about

[@ImGonnaFuckaPokemon69]

No need. Everything has been said here is already out there and everyone knows about it

[@whateverwhatever4026]

Jubilee can't manage to be objective. They've tried before, but it ends in footnotes at the bottom of the screen that HEAVILY favor one side and mock the other, that are usually not needed at all.

[@dimbulb2959]

@@ImGonnaFuckaPokemon69 what I’m saying is, they should put the unbiased facts on screen, like they’ve done in some of their other middle ground videos

[@Sportdiva7]

The problem is a lot of fact checkers are owned by the media that only pushes propoganda . I’ve seen them take a fact and screw one small detail to then say it was false. They are very manipulative. I almost feel like people on the ground are more accurate than all media.

[@nkosimataka5565]

@@dimbulb2959 He answered you. when they try to fact check they often end up putting up footnotes that favor one side. It's hard to be objective so they just give perspective. which I think is fair enough

[@phoenixastral9046]

Ive Never been this nervous clicking on a Jubilee video

[@apemancommeth8087]

💣 🔪 🔥 😂😂😂

[@TheNinjapancake14]

Usually I’m expecting a mess but this is not the mess I want to see

[@neilanthony9172]

and somehow this was the most mature conversation that has taken place from the other ones i did watch out of interest

[@amandalisa708]

It’s sad how the lady in yellow said she was the only one of her cousins who made it out of her country. How painful is that? That you have to “make it out” of your own home country. Your own home country.

[@benb6527]

Well this is true of many, many countries. Why are the Palestinians somehow unique from Afghanis or North Koreans or any other isolated population?

[@tofuwiener]

lmao you should look up how many jews were expelled from the swana region bruh

[@benb6527]

@@tofuwiener For real! 50% of Israel's population are migrants from the middle easy post 1948 - BECAUSE of Arab/Muslim hatred of Jews.

[@oceanicwhale6146]

@@benb6527did anyone say they were unique? Where was the word unique used?

[@zombiedietitian]

@@tofuwienerpeople like to ignore this fact. Also that the war was started by the Palestinians who refused to acknowledge the rights of the Jewish people.

[@havagarana]

The tone-deaf guy on the israeli side saying "not true" when that lady told her story about her ex-husband not having a fair trial after being jailed for 4 years, is crazy to me. Completely invalidating his experience with no empathy at all, how disgusting.

[@_myst_4267]

You don't have to blindly accept people's personal stories.

[@sal-zj9tl]

@@_myst_4267 oh so everyone could speak the same to his stories then? there were never ground proof to his saying also. when the horrible treatment palestinians received from IOF is very well documented while there are not reliable proof regarding the other side

[@ouiame2938]

That just proofs how Israelis have no morals

[@k-oz9671]

to say american media doesnt have a israeli bias is ridiculous. there has always been an israeli bias

[@Meee22222]

💯

[@rolewis13]

Pro Israel people are so delusional about western countries media.

[@luismartins1713]

just like there has been on the other side... like, im almost sure that both sides agreed on that...

[@k-oz9671]

@@luismartins1713 you can't have bias on both sides. there is more favoritism for the israeli side in american media

[@mayaglick2795]

That is so not true! The American media keeps reporting things that are unbiased and apologising for their mistakes. They always rush to blame

[@jonathanogebe7269]

I'm so glad Jubilee released another video on this. The biggest takeaway I have from this video is that empathy/compassion should be at the forefront, and that education is power. I'm going to be doing a lot more independent research and critical thinking about this situation because I have to take ownership of my education.

[@soulyelos]

I completely agree with you. I feel that alot of the information being spread is one sided, so you can't fully take a standpoint if what you are taking in is already provided in a state of bias. I will definitley have to do more research to fully be able to undestand the situation at hand. But even so I believe I could not take one side because both have their reasons, as shown in the video, both sides feel wronged so we cannot deny those feelings. Hopefully this situation gets better. best wishes to both sides.

[@jackpumkinhead9583]

there last round table on this was ridiculously offensive

[@sueblack5794]

@@soulyelos It a thousand-year-plus history beginning with the birth of Jacob and Ishmael (which they mention in the video). It is a very very complicated history. Even when you know the history, it doesn't at all clear up the truth of it all.

[@volvo_3877]

@@sueblack5794Its so annoying when influencers try to take a stand on this when people with phd's dont even know everything. its a very long history

[@jaxsmith1204]

That’s great, but just remember: you don’t have to have a PhD to know that apartheid/colonization is always evil and that the people who say “children throwing rocks at tanks are terrorists” are the real terrorists indeed.

[@dervon.rodriguez]

This conversation becomes disingenuous when one side or the other is not willing to acknowledge the atrocities committed by their government, allies ore people. It is sickening, stressful and completely dishonest.

[@habibihousepodcast]

yup

[@jordanappel5428]

Which side? Because there where plenty of denial going around.

[@jihedbenhasine8224]

​@@jordanappel5428probably israélis they're Always lying

[@hehehehehahaha]

⁠@@jordanappel5428Israel obviously

[@russe19642]

Do you mean 7th Oct and without going into a debate about whether this started years before the 7th Oct. To the world they saw things no civilised humans should do to another,if you can't accept that how do you expect those that saw that ever to see your argument

[@aUnhealthybreakfast]

Gotta bring this group back for round 2.

[@k.a._135]

Compared with other middle ground episodes, this was surprisingly less chaotic than I expected. Yes there were times were tentions increased ( which honestly unavoidable in a topic this divisive ) but they managed to settle down.

[@radio-dada]

I agree, the burden is sooo high and they are actually doing peace in this very moment of talking

[@v2vvs]

they lost a lot of people from both sides, that's why they talking in a emotional way rather than political way

[@alexandra2402]

The only way this is divisive is if you support genocide.

[@darksupreme87]

At the end they all want the same witch is peace, this generation you see now grew up a in a 70year during war, for decades both sides grew up hating the other side. and to reach peace both side really need to say it's enough lets stop the hate and join forces together like one guy suggested name the land Jerusalem get rid of the check point, the walls and become one country.

[@redouane2602]

divisive ? a settler colonial and a colonized? bffr

[@thebeefyleaf]

Can you try keeping a speakers list in future episodes? I get that you might not want to actively moderate certain discussions because they're so heated that you want to avoid the perception (or reality) of bias. A speakers list is a widely used tool in meetings that ensures only one person speaks at a time but still allows everyone the chance to speak.

[@Random-sk6hm]

You mean like only the person holding the ball can talk kinda situation?

[@KASP112]

​@@Random-sk6hmpretty much but more professional

[@aaronaldo14]

Speakers list isn’t suitable for debates that invoke emotions connected to personal tragedies and self determination. It’s fine for e.g a climate debate, not this

[@roz0971]

It’s privilege that the gentleman’s children don’t know anything about the conflict.

[@habibihousepodcast]

very much so

[@HerWanderlust]

Having privilege doesn’t make you bad or wrong.

[@GusShukeireh]

Big time

[@GusShukeireh]

Big time!

[@pinkgirl_vlogs7709]

@@HerWanderlustyour so quick to defend when the other person didn’t even say anything was bad about it, just acknowledge the privellege that this man’s children have to not know about what’s going on that Palestinian children don’t have.

[@_Everything_HER]

All beautiful people, fighting the same fight but forced to see yourselves as enemies

[@DeanGrand]

Jubilee! You all need to moderate these discussions more aggressively. Put someone down there in the middle and have them stop people from interrupting. We'll still keep watching if it's a peaceful debate. It doesn't have to be so chaotic

[@Peaxxch]

Wym this ended very well??

[@aidantarango5158]

@@Peaxxchthe isreal side was interrupting and talking over people constantly

[@Peaxxch]

@@aidantarango5158 I think the women was very respectful personally

[@may_loves_pink]

@@Peaxxch Yeah but not the othet two?? especially the guy who said a small child throwing a rock at an IDF soldier is terrorism..

[@IAmTheTruCanadian]

cause hamas and friends were lying@@aidantarango5158

[@KhumoMarkham]

This discussion has taught me that people willingly choose to not listen. There is absolutely no reason why one should possess such ignorant opinions when they have access to abundant information of how this all began. Let’s do better.

[@volvo_3877]

This! People on either side will not listen to the other side and its so annoying

[@stinkygremlin267]

There is no reason to listen to someone who supports a genocide

[@JXekil_I]

And how did it all begin, according to you

[@talalraps]

True

[@TheChafff]

@@JXekil_I the Occupation of Palestine is not an opinion, and not up for debate. It is a historical fact that the entire world agrees on, and no one denies the facts of what actually happened other than a small number of fanatics in israel and the US that try to teach a false twisted History.

[@badbihgia]

These people and their loved ones have TRULY lost so much and suffered immensely. It's quite beautiful to watch the individuals from opposing sides embrace one another after such a heavy conversation. You don't always see that after these middle ground discussions. Perspective.

[@Whos_That_GurL1]

I pray for this conflict to end 🙏🏻

[@chrisdawson1776]

Do you condemn Hamas?

[@ilovepdub]

prayer is equall to nothing. Or all the worlds chaos wouldnt happen

[@jetbllackwings]

if israel is so innocent then wtf were they doing in Latin America? providing weapons in Haiti to enable the massacre of civilians. they were also using slurs against Haitians in legal documents but were too afraid to publish it on paper cause they knew they’d get boycotted.

[@Crysalis-bd9so]

What are you even talking about

[@livingjimin4465]

@@Crysalis-bd9soGoogle is free

[@Snax27]

​@@Crysalis-bd9so it's actually correct. You can check it out, Israel is involved with many conflicts outside of the middle east

[@biboebbs624]

@@Crysalis-bd9solook it up

[@kchio_]

bc theyre literally just another imperialist power like america or france. anyone who tries to say otherwise is lying to themself

[@kumite2787]

I would’ve loved to see a prompt regarding the leadership of respective sides and if they feel that the Hamas/Palestinian Authority or Israel’s Likud Govt. have failed the people they’re supposed to represent and why.

[@yeetyeet1655]

So true. Technically the Israeli government was democratically voted in, while Hamas hasn’t held an election in years- since before the majority of the country was born, so it can’t be representative of the people

[@greenbananas12378]

Or about the illegal settlements

[@juliekennedy9891]

I think that question may have been an especially dangerous one to answer. Perhaps that is why they chose not to.

[@rhymeswithtyme]

@@juliekennedy9891true, but at some point we need the truth in order to even hope for peace.

[@lenabobena815]

this would have been so interesting to listen to

[@honeylavender1122]

When the woman said “for once when I say something about the Palestinian suffering I would like for you not to shift the blame to Hamas” … that was a moment 👌🏼 @1:03:30

[@emom2]

But Hamas is the government in Gaza…so

[@keegan5644]

❤🖤🤍💚

[@falconx4803]

@@emom2 but israeli vote for bibi so

[@justaboredhousewife7804]

​@@emom2Hamas is not the government for Palestinians in occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem, so why are they also being oppressed?

[@MarkAtherton-bf4pq]

Hamas was LITERALLY created and funded by the Israel government.@@emom2

[@kyoakland]

As a Jewish person Israelis don't look at Palestinians as humans

[@xjakanton2576]

Then find better people to be around. Because that is not the majority of people.

[@Future_cat_lady]

Excuse me? Who do you think you are to just say this? "As a Jewish person" stfu

[@leerob7738]

@@kyoakland - You are not Jewish ma’am stop lying!

[@thekikombe]

Jinan, the lady in yellow spoke the utmost, realistic logic. It is shame that the other gentleman would not stop interrupting her every time. May Peace Be Found

[@keegan5644]

❤🖤🤍💚

[@jesusbarrera6916]

she absolutely lied about that place ever having peace... that place has never been at peace

[@leavmealone3151]

​@@jesusbarrera6916 they were untill the Zionist migration happened

[@notrevolutionary]

Incredible video. I really appreciate the table format - makes for much more comfortable conversation and viewing.

[@n_justwatching]

Yes, I'm definitely in favour of the table format! Feels less awkward than the usual set up

[@1stdaughter]

Yeah, whoever made that call was spot on.

[@SMPLYZAY]

It feels more like everyone is coming together to speak than the normal chairs facing eachother

[@Random-sk6hm]

Fr I always think how uncomfortable those stools must be. It's also so bad for their backs

[@gabrielaestrada2132]

This Israeli woman says she prefers to get her news and experiences form people she knows personally but also accused Reema of lying about her husbands experience in Israeli prison because it’s just a personal experience- their refusal to accept truth is astounding and terrifying

[@TaliaLS]

Actually, the guy accused Reema of lying not the woman. But I Dont think thats what he meant. I think he was accusing her lying about the generalization that there are no trials. Either way, even if thats true Reema explained herself well enough after. I think even if thats what he means, thats not the takeaway from the whole video. Obviously there are statements that both sides said that many people will not agree with.

[@javierdejesus2420]

You’re not paying attention lmao

[@chrisdawson1776]

Do you condemn Hamas?

[@MariamSleiman944]

Well said

[@chrisdawson1776]

@@MariamSleiman944 Do you condemn Hamas?

[@unemauritanienne9816]

I would love to see these same people’s opinions a year after and see if the Israeli part is still victimizing themselves at this level

[@iououu]

Why do the Israel advocates keep saying “anti-Jewish” instead of “anti-Israeli”

[@shainazion4073]

Read the Hamas and PLO/Fatah Charters!!! Then you'll understand!!

[@habibihousepodcast]

they conflate the two constantly

[@AhmadJMatar]

@@shainazion4073 Have you?!

[@hypatiaalex]

@@shainazion4073 i read the charter and it clearly talks about zionists u need to read em instead of parroting

[@shainazion4073]

@@hypatiaalex Polly want a cracker?

[@DieuVanHo]

"Our children should not inherit this conflict" - always with the great questions Jubilee! bravo!!!

[@HMStar10]

Won’t have if their ancestors would have agreed to 2 state solution. Palestinians got the prosperous land while Israelis worked hard to turn the barren land green

[@tima2553]

@@HMStar10oh please. They control EVERYTHING in Gaza. Even basic things. Check the items of goods banned in Gaza. Even pasta once was banned! They’re under siege & always bombed. Please you can’t compare.

[@ahmed4100]

@@HMStar10what a disgusting lie that’s actually the complete opposite. The 1948 partition gave the minority zionists not just the majority of the land but the most arable valuable land

[@noxpop]

@@HMStar10 was there ever a two-state option? no control over borders, water, checkpoints inside palestine still in place, and the prosperous land guarded for israeli use only. basically the same situation we have now except you can blame the victims for accepting these conditions

[@HMStar10]

@@noxpop It was Arabs who attacked the Jews. UN divided the land very proportionally and Jews accepted it. Prosperous land was given to so called Palestinians. It was Israelis who made Israel prosperous. What Israel got majorly was a chunk of dry land. Shame on you for lying.

[@GKmelody23]

Here’s what I found regarding the water situation. True, that Gaza had a water supply issue before. However…now it is no more than 5% of the usual production (source: PBS/Unicef), causing people to survive on only 1.5-2 liters a day (Unicef). So Swanni’s claim that Israel did not cause the water shortage is just….manipulative. Why? Here are the facts (PBS/Unicef). First of all, Israel controls THREE pipelines to Gaza (13%). Second, Israel has blocked cement from Gaza to build the treatment plants. Third, these plants have now been damaged by the bombs. Fourth, the existing desalinization plants cannot be turned on because ISRAEL HAS BLOCKED THE FUEL TO TURN THEM ON (NPR). So yes, the water shortage is Israel’s fault. Swanni demonstrated herself how Palestinian suffering is being downplayed.

[@Jorge-vw4ub]

I think you missed the point, almost everything you just said is accounted for by what she said. They CAN'T build pipes or send fuel because hamas then just uses that for rockets.

[@skyblue2708]

So, the whole time Palestine was self governing and getting aide and funding they couldn't figure out how to get water for their people? They figured out how to arm their militias... Why would a country send supplies to their enemies? And I don't mean the people of Palestine, I mean the non conventional military that can easily pretend to be non combatants and divert said supplies into their own war effort? Counter intuitive. If Gaza has no water, it's their governments fault for not building the infrastructure when they were getting the resources to do so. This really does suck, I hate to see so many people suffer, but you can't put all the blame solely on Israel.

[@amarrustembegovic9828]

@@Jorge-vw4ub deflect and deny again? how about accountability??? but you rather live in your racist delusion...

[@technokicksyourass]

The water would be plentiful, if they had not started a war. Palestinians expecting all the supermarkets to be full and the taps to be working, and the power on during an invasion are delusional.

[@khalidjay]

@@Jorge-vw4ubeverything is Hamas fault lol even Hamas bombs it’s on ppl I bet u believe that wouldn’t you Isreali lover

[@MrBananaGiraffe1111]

really liked what Tomer says about not believing in systems, the most important part is loving and respecting each other as humans and neighbours

[@lydia-jamilabeloued7048]

Ariel is not there to allow any possibility of understanding the other side. He insists only on his opinion and is narrow-minded. I find it so exhausting to listen to him because you can immediately tell from his expression that he doesn't give the other side a chance anyway. He confuses Hamas with Palestinians. One can see his grief, but he does not see the grief of others.

[@AriccaChristine]

They always have to have at least one loudly wrong person in there. He’s disgusting

[@qamar1041]

He does not confuse them for Hamas, he simply chooses not to see Palestinians as humans

[@ninapotato9248]

Exactly

[@arielein-gal4221]

@@AriccaChristinethanks babe💛

[@luismartins1713]

I agree that he wasn't as sensitive when it came to Palestinians losses, but saying he doesn't give the other side a chance is wrong as well. If he didn't (give the other side a chance) , he wouldn't have said many things.

[@sxt4447]

Can we get an update on how the original participants in the Israel/Palestine Jubilee discussion that happened years ago are doing? Just want to make sure everyone is safe ❤

[@habibihousepodcast]

that would be interesting

[@takemetomarz]

Facts I was just thinking that

[@nuclearpillow1677]

i met gus today, i’m pro israel and mostly try to stay neutral and see both sides, i debated him today the conversation got a little heated but we all got along in the end, he’s an amazing person and im very glad i was able to converse with him

[@HindAlanazi-rs9hz]

@@nuclearpillow1677you’re pro genocide**

[@davidbrennan5973]

I’m from Ireland we seen a similar conflict here from the 60s to the 90s. Feelings of hatred still runs through me, I have an immense amount of hatred for the British but at the end of the day, we have peace now and I am happy for that

[@moshesne4597]

i wish the the israeli palestinian conflict was as simple as your conflict with the brits, but the truth is that its x100 more complacited

[@katroyals]

started long before 60s

[@cds6334]

1. No its not. the Irish and British conflict goes back 100's of years, and had many similar issues with terrorism etc during the 1900's. your comment is an ignorant take 2. its not complicated, but Palestinian supporters want to make it seem complicated because they want to eradicate israel, they voted for hamas, who wants to see israel destroyed. Yes israel isnt perfect, but nor is palestine... war is war@@moshesne4597

[@moshesne4597]

@@cds6334 i wrote that comment as an Israeli, i was arguing that the comparison between the two conflicts is wrong and shows you know nothing about the israeli Palestinian conflict, and yes i am aware that the irish used terrorism like the Palestinians but it does not mean they are anything alike, for example before the establishment of israel in 1948 some national jewish groups in the british mandate palestine used terror themselves to force the brits to dissolve the mandate and leave but jewish terror was much different that the terrorism of Palestinians.

[@benb6527]

This conflict is absolutely nothing like the Troubles and the very idea of comparing it shows how little you know.

[@Sourpatchkatie11]

I would love to see an updated conversation between these folx

[@bryantalexander2359]

Definitely should have these conversations involve more people from an older generation on both sides

[@ShowMeYourHooves]

The average age in Palestine is 18. There is barely any older generation.

[@oo0itsria]

@@ShowMeYourHoovesWhat about in the United States? The group in this discussion do not live in Israel or Palestine full time.

[@OtjeBiaBia]

The end made me cry. This is what we really need. Love and empathy for your fellow humans.

[@radio-dada]

haleluja :)

[@phantasqLiving]

Oh c'mon.

[@toqamahmoud9813]

No Justice No Peace.

[@edwinamendelssohn5129]

@@toqamahmoud9813always said by violent people

[@Marquettinesss]

I kind of appreciated this but I’m honestly against the Israeli govt and their response to this attack… it was reckless and irresponsible.. and the brutal occupation needs to end . Period.

[@mohamedn87]

Regardless Israel is still wrong. Even if we go off half of or more of what the pro Israel folks say.

[@habibihousepodcast]

100%

[@sterfry3182]

Hamas is to blame.

[@GusShukeireh]

Exactly!

[@theosoreos]

@@sterfry3182 did hamas occupy israel or something? shifting all blame to Hamas is just so in denial

[@usmc72409]

As a person who has no dog in this fight, and is just here to learn, I found this conversation extremely enlightening and I think they did a great job at finding a middle ground. I wish the governments that control what happens to these ppl can do the same thing.