IsraelPalestine For Critical Thinkers: #7 The Paris Peace Conference & Israel Palestine

In this episode, Richard Bass gives us an insight into the Paris Peace Conference, a gathering that had profound effects on borders, and sovereignty throughout Europe and the Middle East. Representatives of the Zionist movement and the Arab delegation were present and made the case for Nationhood. But, despite their accord at the Conference, many significant questions were left unanswered.
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Host:
Richard Bass
Animated by:
Thought Café
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Music Composition & Sound Design:
Allan Levy
Written by:
Richard Bass & Thought Café
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[@MarioRossiAncora]

FOR THOSE IN THE COMMENTS SAYING THAT THE SERIES GLOSSES OVER THIS OR THAT... try to understand what "Critical Thinking" actually means. I think the point of this series is not to give all the facts. Critical thinkers don't want to be spoonfed everything. For example, after the opening of the video, I went and looked up the details of the Faisal-Weizmann agreement and the Paris Peace Conference. A series with all the facts would be unbearable, long, hard to navigate. A good overview of the important historical and philosophical points is what's needed for smart people to have a basis to build on. Also, this answers your constant complaining about how short they are. In the meantime, you're supposed to really think over the few but important facts, go check if they're accurate, dispute them, corroborate them, and try to find the opposing opinions about them... otherwise the seires would be called "IsraelPalestine according to us".

[@umre562]

Thank you

[@princemoneycat5294]

Are there some very important things that I would be missing if I only watched this

[@27Nichy]

I cried in 2:40. To think that this whole bloody conflict could have been avoided.

[@johnnycreagh8247]

Would that be problem if they were?

[@guynehemia4029]

I know right? We truly are living in the Darkest timeline. At least for the middle East.

[@Lucasal1296]

the videos are too short, but very rich in content.

[@dwood2001]

While I haven't always agreed with the other comments, in this case I do: this video was too short. Felt like half a topic. Will be nice when it can be watched as a continuous playlist.

[@annosnake]

I do love this content!!! Thanks a lot for such great videos!

[@arashkborzoo]

Amazing video just to short, Bit I can't believe the Arabs first welcomed Jewish settlement back into the land, I just with there was more information on that and the Paris peace conference, there's a lot to cover on all that.

[@shainazion4073]

The Arabs were never the government to welcome anyone. The Ottoman Turks were in charge.

[@manuelabelisario5665]

I have a question. In wikipedia it says: The agreement was presented to Faisal in his room at the Carlton Hotel on 3 January in English, which Faisal could not read, and its contents were explained to Faisal by Lawrence as the sole translator.[4] Faisal signed the document in the same meeting, without consulting his advisors awaiting him in a separate room, but added a caveat in Arabic next to his signature,[3] such that Faisal considered the agreement was conditional on Palestine being within the area of Arab independence.[a] The Zionist Organization submitted the Agreement to the Paris Peace Conference without the caveat.[6] But the source [6] is not working. So, did Faisal really support it the claim of the Jews to Palestine?

[@ShnoogleMan]

The wikipedia article is a bit biased. The primary source it uses comes from a book written by a modern Iraqi Prime Minister. When Faisal signed the document, he added a caveat that the deal would be null and void if the Europeans reneged on their promise for a pan-Arab kingdom, which is ultimately what happened, and why the deal never worked out. The Wikipedia article said that Weizmann did not fully understand Faisal's caveat, but Weizmann's own autobiography indicates otherwise.

[@JMAN97712]

Don’t trust Wikipedia it’s not a liable source

[@HxH2011DRA]

cool

[@jeffinaz81]

Will this series continue or are you just going to end it here?

[@izakgrell8874]

Anyone else listen to the video and didn't get a single thing out of it?

[@MoAlElew]

Too short of a video with a major buzzkill at the end :(

[@jefferyfelce580]

Palestine was founded in 1988, as I understand it. Why, when referring to that land previous to 1988 is it being called such?

[@MsSimplyComplicated1]

The question is "founded" according to whom? Does simply not registering a country mean the peoples never existed? Israel was only "founded" in 1948, but Palestinians did not choose to follow the same political course at the time.

[@XxSeedOfEvilxX]

Your information is wrong, Palestine as a name for the region goes all the way back to the Roman Empire. As for a Palestinian identity we have people like Khalil Beidas using the term "Palestinians" in his translation of a Russian book about the Holy Land in 1898. There's also Al-Maqdisi, a geographer, born in 945 CE, who wrote two books about the region of Syria-Palestine and referred to himself as a Palestinian. The only people that would claim that a Palestinian identity arose that late are people with an incentive to lie about the history. Maybe some will consider that Palestine became a state in 1988 due to its recognition as a member state in the UN, but that wouldn't be accurate either imo. Palestinian national aspirations predate Zionism, but Palestine has never become a state, and saying Palestine has been "founded" seems to imply that.

[@anoriolkoyt]

You can't call your channel "ForCriticalThinkers" and just gloss over history like this. You introduced the Paris Peace Conference and barely discussed it and the various events at its time. I understand this episode is part of a larger series; but "critical thinking" is not done with summaries....

[@MarioRossiAncora]

I think the point of this series is not to give all the facts. Critical thinkers don't want to be spoonfed everything. For example, after the opening of the video, I went and looked up the details of the Faisal-Weizmann agreement and the Paris Peace Conference. A series with all the facts would be unbearable, long, hard to navigate. A good overview of the important historical and philosophical points is what's needed for smart people to have a basis to build on.

[@bim-ska-la-bim4433]

Matteo Prayer - Art ....well done!

[@michaelmaddox2536]

This dumbass here. Eash video is a conversation starter designed to engage with others. Stop being a dumbass and try putting what you know in the comments.

[@yetzt]

this is by far not verbose enough.

[@gk-bl6yu]

+yetzt Just say: The video isn't long enough.

[@humansdosuck]

*---------------------------------------* *THE FACTS AND HISTORY* *---------------------------------------* There has never been such a country called Palestine. Israel was RE-formed on land previously ruled by the Ottoman empire, similarly to other countries in the region such as Lebanon, Iraq and others. There is no such thing as "Palestinian people". It's worth noting that newspapers such as the 'Palestine post' were Jewish newspapers (this one for example turned into the 'Jerusalem post'). This is also true about other official "Palestine" related stuff from the time before Israel was RE-formed. If you happened to say "Palestinian" before the RE-formation of Israel, you were actually referring to the Hebrews living in the land, not the Arabs. Take a look at this flag book from 1939 (3rd row on the right): imgur.com/a/4hlH2 The term "Palestine" was later discarded, as it should have been, because the original name for the land - Israel, has been restored (it's simple: Israel is not Palestine, just like Jerusalem is not Aelia-Capitolina, and Schem is not Nablus). It is only in the mid 1960's that the Arabs hijacked the term, and its widespread usage only took off after the 1967 Arab-Israeli war. the Arabs used this terminology as a political propaganda tool to de-legitimize Israel, after they failed to steal the Hebrew homeland by force with the Arab armies, by invading and attempting to conquer the land. Ironically, the term "Palestinian" originate from the term 'Pleshet' to describe INVADERS by the Hebrews. Those who willingly identify as "Palestinians" are declaring themselves to be invaders/colonizers in Hebrew land. It's important to note that this propaganda tool was supported by the Communists/Soviets. On the other hand, just a few decades before that, the Arab "Palestinians" were hand in hand with the Nazis. They have aided them under the leadership of the mufti Amin Al Husseini - who is often regarded 'founding father' of the Arab "Palestinians". Mufti Amin Al Husseini became an SS general, but he had anti-jewish genocidal ideology long before the Nazis rose the power. He has incited and caused violence and terror against the Jewish people in their homeland since the early 1920's (for example: causing the 1929 Hebron massacre). Yasser Arafat, the first official "Palestinian" leader was an Arab from Egypt, who was born and raised in Egypt and lived there till the 1950's - some "Palestinian" eh? Arab "Palestinians" are nothing more than bands of foreign Arab invaders and illegal immigrants from all over the Arab and Islamic world (some of them even originating from places that are not part of the middle-east, such as Bosnia). Most of them came as recent as the 19th and 20th centuries. As for those who were before that - most of those were Arab Bedouins who are Arab nomadic tribes who did not permanently settle in places, and thus did not stay for prolonged periods of time. Many Arabs even came to Gaza, Judea and Samaria from Egypt and Jordan while these areas were under Egyptian and Jordanian occupation on the periods between 1948 to 1967. Here are some very informative and interesting quotes directly Arab "Palestinian" leaders: "There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the bible ...Palestine is ALIEN to us" - Arab "Palestinian" leader Awni Abdul-Hadi, Peel Commission, 1937. "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan." - Arab "Palestinian" leader & PLO member Zuheir Mohsen, 1977. "We all have Arab roots, and every Palestinian in Gaza and throughout Palestine can prove his Arab roots - whether from Saudi Arabia, Yemen or anywhere else." "... Half the Palestinians are (Arab) Egyptians and the other half are (Arab) Saudis" - Arab "Palestinian" Hamas minister Fathi Hammad, 2012. Here are some of the most common family names among the "Palestinians": "Masri" = from Egypt-Hamas member of Parliament, Mushir al-Masri (the word "masri" littelery means "the egyptian" in arabic !). "Khamis"= Bahrain "Salem Hanna Khamis" "al-Faruqi"= Mosul, Iraq "Al-Araj" = Morocco, a member of the Saadi Dynasty "Hussein al-Araj" "Al Lubnani" = the Lebanese "Al-Mughrabi" = the Moroccan (Maghreb" - meaning "West" in Arabic, and usually referring to North Africa or specifically to Morocco) "Al-Djazair" = the Algerian "Al-Yamani" = the Yemeni "Issam Al Yamani" "Al-Afghani" = the Afghan "Al-Hindi" = the Indian "Amin al-Hindi" "Iraqi" = from Iraq. "Halabi" = from Aleppo, Syria "Al-Baghdadi" = from Baghdad Iraq. "Tarabulsi"= Tarabulus-Tripoli, Lebanon. "Hourani" = Houran Syria. "Al-Husayni" = Saudi Arabia. "Saudi" = Saudi Arabia. "Metzarwah"= Egypt. "Barda---wil" = "Salah Bardawil" HAMAS legislator in Gaza; Egypt, Bardawil Lake area. "Nashashibi" = Syria. "Bushnak" = Bosnia "Zoabi"= from Iraq: "Haneen Zoabi". "Turki" = Turkey "Daud Turki" "Al-Kurd" = Kurdistan. "Haddadins" = YEMEN descended from Ghassanid Christian Arabs. "Arab Abu-Kishk" = Egypt.(Bedouins) "Arab Al Shakirat" = Egypt (Bedouins) "Arab Al Zabidat" = Egypt (Bedouins) "Arab Al Aramsha" = Egypt (Bedouins) "Abu Sitta" = In Arabic' Abu means father and sitta means six. Translated it actually means father of six. (The Abu Sitta family primarily received this name because around the year 1700, a well known knight of the large Al-Tarabeen tribe always had six slaves (i.e. fedawyah, bodyguards), 3 on each side, with him. They were with him wherever he went, day or night. Hence the name "ABU SITTA." = Egypt (Bedouins) "Salman Abu Sitta ".) Even Yasser Arafat, the most famous "Palestinian" and leader of the P.L.O terrorist organization, was not native to Judea. He called himself a "Palestinian refugee" but spoke Arabic with an Egyptian accent. He was born in 1929 Cairo, Egypt. He served in the Egyptian army, studied in the University of Cairo, and lived in Cairo until 1956! His full name was Mohammed Abdel Rahman Abdel Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa al-Husseini. "Al-Qudwa" tribe origin? Yasser Arafat also proudly stated in his authorized biography that, "If there is any such thing as a Palestinian people, it is I, Yasser Arafat, who created them." Here is some genetic data for Arab "Palestinian": According to a 2010 study by Behar et al. titled "The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people", Palestinians tested clustered genetically close to Bedouins, Jordanians and Saudi Arabians which was described as "consistent with a common origin in the Arabian Peninsula". A study found that the Palestinians, have what appears to be Female-Mediated gene flow in the form of Maternal DNA Haplogroups from Sub-Saharan Africa. Palestinian individuals tested, carried maternal haplogroups that originated in Sub-Saharan Africa. The most likely explanation for the presence of predominantly female lineages of African origin in these areas is that they may trace back to women brought from Africa as part of the Arab slave trade, assimilated into the areas under Arab rule. In a genetic study of Y-chromosomal STRs in two populations from Israel and the Palestinian Authority Area: Christian and Muslim Palestinians showed genetic differences. A 2013 study of Haber and et al. found that "The predominantly Muslim populations of Syrians, Palestinians and Jordanians cluster on branches with other Muslim populations as distant as Morocco and Yemen." The authors explained that "religious affiliation had a strong impact on the genomes of the Levantines. In particular, conversion of the region's populations to Islam appears to have introduced major rearrangements in populations' relations through admixture with culturally similar but geographically remote populations leading to genetic similarities between remarkably distant populations." The authors also reconstructed the genetic structure of pre-Islamic Levant and found that "it was more genetically similar to Europeans than to (nowadays) Middle Easterners". *HIGHLY RECOMMENDED VIDEOS TO WATCH:* kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3vKmK1ofa6eiZY kzbin.info/www/bejne/iX-bZGuwqpucn9E kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2mofZSmZ9qboaM Let us now see what the Quran itself says: And thereafter We (Allah) said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd." [Qur'an 17 : 104] "O my people (the Hebrews)! Enter the Holy Land, which God has assigned unto you", [Qur'an: 5 : 21] "We (Allah) settled the Israelites in a blessed land and provided them with good things". [Qur'an: 10 : 93] "it was Our (Allah's) will to favor those who were oppressed (the Hebrews) and to make them leaders of man, to bestow on them a noble heritage and to give them power in the land (of Israel)". [Qur'an: 28 : 5-6] "We (Allah) gave the persecuted people (the Hebrews) dominion over the eastern and western lands which We had blessed (the east and west banks of the Jordan River). Thus your Lord's gracious word was fulfilled for the Israelites, because they had endured with fortitude [Qur'an: 7 : 137] It's funny how so many Muslims go against Allah and the Quran when it suits them.

[@AMOW42]

nice copying and pasting

[@auadisian]

Yes sir, the Palestinian identity did not exist then. It was created by the same colonial powers that created the State of Israel. The land was part of Bilad Ash-Sham (Levant) which was part of the Ottoman Empire, and people living there were part of a larger identity that if you allowed to recreate itself today, it will form a united and therefore strong country that would send the Jews back to Europe and Russia. So, you have two options: 1) A Palestinian identity asking for a share of the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River. This Palestinian identity is part of the fragmented and politically and militarily weak identities of the Middle East... 2) A united Syrian Arab identity that would be strong and sent the Jews back to Europe and Russia.

[@veninoriel8048]

@@auadisian not all Jews in Israel are from Europe, there are millions of Mizrahi Jews among many other groups. Some of the Mizrahi Jews would not be welcomed back to Iran for instance.

[@narrsam]

Imagine a talented artist, painting a beautiful picture, only using utter bull shit! This material is far from being neutral or scientific

[@michaelmaddox2536]

Imagine a fool that think he's genius.. Knowing enough to feel astute, but not enough to know you aren't a genius. :)