IsraelPalestine For Critical Thinkers: #9 Independence or Nakba

In the first episode of Season 2 of Israel-Palestine For Critical Thinkers, Richard Bass discusses the United Nations Partition Plan, as well as the 1948 War. For most Israelis, the war is seen as the war of independence while most Arabs view the war as 'the catastrophe'.
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[@RainaRamsay]

Glad to see this channel posting again!

[@Rtotalmagic]

It can't be a coincidence that this series is resuming on the 100th anniversary of the Balfour Declaration which triggered all this...

[@janasolyman4228]

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[@degs182]

Fantastic video

[@alexplotkin3368]

This was pretty objective in discussing the history.

[@princemoneycat5294]

What do you think was important that wasn’t mentioned

[@Josephpesoj]

Finally! Waited so long, I forgot I even subscribed.

[@bonniegrafstein5701]

Richard... Clear, Honest, Factual, Easy to Understand presentation. Wonderful to see you continuing to educate and share Truth of Israeli history. Regards from Jerusalem

[@michaelmatusowsky3863]

When is Season 3 coming?

[@frankserpico8299]

Thank God! I am so excited for Season 2, I thought this was not coming. Great job sir!

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[@idansim1]

So far I think this has been a very good nonbias series, keep up the good work!

[@muratdogusan]

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[@jaronby]

I think this is a very good video, explaining the start of the Israeli/Arab conflict by facts and not political bias. However there is one little mistake, that also I found out about recently. Even history teacher at the school where I work, were baffled. I came across an American newspaper May 1st 1948, that reports that armies of surrounding Arab nations invaded Palestine. That means that they didn't wait for the mandate to conclude, yet attacked already 14 days before...

[@jeanneharris5421]

The taking or Partitioning of Palestine is a true tragedy. I'm African American and I can feel compassion for the Palestinians. They are without a friend, even among brothers. Much like we were , suppression of basic human dignity. Under Occupation. I'm so sad.

[@jeanneharris5421]

The history of this region needs to be taught.

[@holpner]

@@jeanneharris5421 I really don't see how the struggle of black people has anything to do with the Palestinian situation. Israel is literally a sanctuary state for all Jewish refugees who were genocide and expelled from almost anywhere in the world. You chose to sympathize with the Arabs as if they are a minority nut if you look at the bigger picture, they decided to start a was in order to kill every single jew in the area, and then they complain about Israel not letting them come back. I'm really asking, what part of this is do you see in the struggle for African American? Do you not see that Israel is a drop in a sea of Arab nations? How long will this Jew hate go on?

[@shainazion4073]

@@jeanneharris5421 It wasn't Palestine, it was the Mandate of Palestine. It had not been called Palestine for the 400+ years of the Ottoman Empire been called Palestine,

[@shainazion4073]

@@jeanneharris5421 There were no Palestinians in 1947. The people living in the land were fellahins and bedouins, they were Ottoman subjects in Ottoman lands. The League of Nations and the United Nations never heard of Palestinians. The Mandate of Palestine called all the people as "Palestinians". The Mandate of Mesopotamia was for Iraq, Are these people today now Mesopotamians???

[@abdulahi219]

What technology are you using for the maps

[@ZigZagKid_AZ]

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[@alexblack6342]

I really like your videos and I appreciate the fact that you are trying to present them with as little bias as possible. Sometimes however you omit important pieces of information which are vital for the understanding of the general context. For example you don't mention the fact that the 1947 UN Resolution was very problematic as it awarded more than 50% of Palestine to Israel even though Jews were a minority in the land amounting to no more than 1/3 of the population. This naturally created a lot of tensions between Jews and Arabs. I'm not saying that this was the only problem but it is a very crucial parameter and should definitely be mentioned.

[@jenkrash8122]

it was under the understanding that 12 mil jews will go to the new countery, but only 1-2 mil come

[@jedimmj11]

I think your objection ignores the fact that Israel was explicitly intended to be a place of mass Jewish immigration

[@michelbitt1]

Most of the land allocated to the jewish state was the negev desert.

[@1986tomdavies]

If you take all the land originally slated for the Jewish homeland, i.e. Israel/Palestine & Jordan, Arabs got around 70% of it.

[@gilbertdeclerk7215]

Ummm the UN resolution gave the israeli-arabs more land than they did to the jews what are you talking about

[@toradoalice2573]

Can you tell us more about sionist armed milicias formed under british mandates and which massacres of palestinians happened before 1948. Can you tell us more about Comte Bernadotte assassination by israel and give details about his partition plan motivating it.

[@shainazion4073]

I can tell you about Arab terror against Jews from the 1800s, and even before. Jewish militias were formed because of Arab terror.

[@alimovtal]

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[@Eunacis]

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[@YoshiiWiki]

no bias here....

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[@petarjovanovic1481]

@@Alicedixinoodle Make it make sense!

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[@HumanProgress]

Modern Israel was born in 1948. The local Arabs who still live there went from not having their own state before 1948 to not having their own state after 1948.

[@toradoalice2573]

One mistake : israel state has been created the day before british left

[@420BudNuggets]

It’s funny how it’s all triangles 🤔

[@telemachus53]

Tell me people: If Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq hadn't all attacked Israel intent on annihilating the Jews in a "river of blood" (Mufti of Jerusalem) would there be a Nakba?

[@user-vm9xz4kv9z]

Yes, definitely,absolutely and most-certainly.

[@mohammedelatrash6810]

@Maxim Waisberg also is Britons fault too

[@abdusqamar9667]

Yeah they not really true followers of islam and were very greedy

[@naamul1]

@Maddie 99 Who slaughtered Palestinians? How nice it is to just make up facts.

[@nimrodrubin9805]

@Maddie 99 first of all the palestinians were those who stsrted the war, and they lost so yeah they had a lot of casualties this is how war goes. Plus dont fool yourself by thinking they really cared about the palestinians, all they cared about was expanding their borders. If they really cared about the palestinians they would give them citizenship a long time ago.

[@patriotsforisrael3610]

Free Judea! 🕎✊

[@Someone-qo9ow]

Free from what ??

[@E2Dima]

​@@Someone-qo9owfrom Arab Imperialists! Free Judea, Free the Rif Republic and Free Kurdistan and Assyria!

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[@gilbertdeclerk7215]

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[@alexplotkin3368]

So basically all of this conflict could have been prevented if the Palestinians had accepted the UN partition in 1947. And just accepted Israel and traded with it in peace. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@jakartasynchronized4779]

Hahaha, putting the blame to the palestinian.

[@alexplotkin3368]

@@jakartasynchronized4779 that's right. They don't want to take a peace deal that involves living in peace with Israel.

[@100500daniel]

@@petarjovanovic1481 30% at the time, but it was obvious the Jewish population would outnumber the Arabic one considering the pace it which it was growing. Besides, Israel got most of the Negev which is mostly a depopulated desert.

[@naamul1]

@@petarjovanovic1481 Jewish people have strong ties to this land, cities that were built and still exist to this day. They gave an historic right to go back to their land. Do not get it twisted. Plastinisns originated from neibouring arab countries, and they say so themselves. And if we put all if this aside, what is so wrong with just living next to each other??

[@nimrodrubin9805]

@@petarjovanovic1481 most of the land the israelies were given was a dessert. Plus the un knew that jewish people from all around teh world would later come to israel because of the holocaust.

[@merlindavilla797]

I love Israel..the country God loves most..The Israelis endured so much persecution from their slavery. in Egypt .to the Diaspora..to the HOLOCAUST up to NOW..what a beautiful story. They rely on the goodness of GOD when GOD promised to MOSES AND JOSHUA "I WILL.ALWAYS BE WITH YOU" Truly GOD is always with his chosen children..for the CHILDREN OF GOD will welcome the MESSIAH

[@bilalfarhat7392]

The bias in this video is beyond reason, 1- if 3rd generation Palestinian refugees like myself are not allowed to claim palestine because our grandfathers were exiled 73 years ago, why does Jews get to claim it when their ancestors were exiled 2000 years ago ? How is this logical. 2- he doesn't talk about how Jews were only a minority of 3 percent before the zionist movement encourged immigration to Palestine, a place where Palestinian Jews, Christians and Muslims lived in coherence, and how the zionist settlers started buying lands from absentee non Palestinian arabs and kicking out Palestinian farmers to create a demographic shift. 3- he doesn't mention the Jewish haganah and other militant groups who were being trained by the British to massacre Palestinians which they did in 1948 I.e deir Yassin massacre. 4- he doesn't state how the zionist project was a colonial project as stated by Hertzel himself. Palestine was not the only choice Hertzel had in mind, Uganda was also stated to be one of the options but they opted for palestine because they thought it would be easier to convince Jews to migrate there instead of Uganda a country they have no sentimental ties to 5- being Arab isn't necessarily an ethnic identity, its more of a lingual and cultural one, so being a Palestinian doesn't mean I'm also saudi Arabian, a Kuwaiti or whatever Arab country I want. I'm Palestinian, I belong to the land of palestine, and to palestine I shall return

[@shebsheb8850]

Very well said, inshaallah you’ll be able to go back habibi

[@shainazion4073]

1) People who attack others and vow to destroy a state are not invited in to be citizens, the Jewish Leaders appealed to the Arabs to stay in their houses and to help build a country together, they were answered by 5 Arab armies attacking the one day old country, Israel.

[@shainazion4073]

2) The Jews were awarded the land by the League of Nations at the San Remo conference in 1922. The Arabs were given 77% of the Mandate lands as trans-Jordan, leaving only 23% to become the Jewish homeland. In 1937, the British offered the Arabs 80% of the land, they turned it down because the Jews were offered the other 20%. The 20% left would have been only 4.5% of the original Mandate lands.

[@shainazion4073]

3) The Jewish Paramilitary groups were not trained by the British, the Egyptians, Jordanians, Lebanese and Syrian fighting forces were all trained by the British. The Egyptians and Jordanians had British officers and had new weapons supplied by the British, the Jews had to scrounge up anything they could as there was a weapons embargo by the UN against Israel. The Irgun and Haganah were formed because of Arab terror, the attacks on Jews, 1880, 1896, 1921, 1929, 1936, 1937, 1939, etc. They were a defensive force from the beginning. You all cry about Dier Yassin, but never mention the Arab 5 month blockade of Jerusalem or the Hadassah Hospital convoy massacre.

[@shainazion4073]

There was no Colony as there was no Empire, words have different meaning now than they did then, Israel wasn't taking over an existing country, and taking its natural resources to send to its Empire. Israel is the only country, the Jewish people rebuilt a third world backwards underdeveloped area into a modern country, by sweat and tears.

[@danielovercash1093]

I want to start my own country, I'd take anyone who wasn't welcome in their home country

[@redpilldiogenes4741]

Israel, HELL YEAH!!

[@goldschool3077]

I suspect this is one sided

[@bilalfarhat7392]

You suspect right

[@bilalfarhat7392]

The bias in this video is beyond reason, heres some little commentary from a Palestinian perspective 1- if 3rd generation Palestinian refugees like myself are not allowed to claim palestine because our grandfathers were exiled 73 years ago, why does Jews get to claim it when their ancestors were exiled 2000 years ago ? How is this logical. 2- he doesn't talk about how Jews were only a minority of 3 percent before the zionist movement encourged immigration to Palestine, a place where Palestinian Jews, Christians and Muslims lived in coherence, and how the zionist settlers started buying lands from absentee non Palestinian arabs and kicking out Palestinian farmers to create a demographic shift. 3- he doesn't mention the Jewish haganah and other militant groups who were being trained by the British to massacre Palestinians which they did in 1948 I.e deir Yassin massacre. 4- he doesn't state how the zionist project was a colonial project as stated by Hertzel himself. Palestine was not the only choice Hertzel had in mind

[@bilalfarhat7392]

Uganda was also stated to be one of the options but they opted for palestine because they thought it would be easier to convince Jews to migrate there instead of Uganda a country they have no sentimental ties to 5- being Arab isn't necessarily an ethnic identity, its more of a lingual and cultural one, so being a Palestinian doesn't mean I'm also saudi Arabian, a Kuwaiti or whatever Arab country I want. I'm Palestinian, I belong to the land of palestine, and to palestine I shall return

[@shebsheb8850]

@Alfred Weber Bilal Farhat proved it

[@shainazion4073]

@@shebsheb8850 proved nothing. More self-gratification. There was never a sovereign nation of Palestine, he's posted the same comment more than once. I answered above every point.

[@fayekgbreen1157]

#Free_palestine 🇵🇸❤

[@JMAN97712]

No Palestine never existed as a country. And you all had your chance to be a legitimate nation but chose to be terrorists instead

[@MOSTAFA-ef2jd]

Palastine on top❤

[@breadapex5905]

One of the most biased coverings I’ve seen on KZbin, they intentionally leave out a plethora of details across every video. Almost ANY another channel covering the topic does a better job of providing history from both perspectives. This channel has a VERY heavy narrative bias and should be disregarded by both sides as this flawed information is either misinformation to you, or a weak talking point with more holes thanks Swiss cheese.

[@GEZZMOND]

The war wasn't against the Palestinian Jews. It was against foreign Jews. Of course this was going to be a misinformation peice. Every war with Israel was started by Israel not the other way around.

[@nimrodrubin9805]

Now youre just lying buddy

[@nimrodrubin9805]

Not only did the arab countries and the palestinians started the war in 1948. They also did the same thing in 1973 (when the israeli people were fasting on their holiday), i mean you can have an argument but dont spread lies like that.

[@zoeyelh]

god bless palestine 🇵🇸

[@shebsheb8850]

@@nimrodrubin9805 They were fasting in 1973 too lol, it was Ramadan. Cry about it anyway. Palestinians fought for their land

[@shainazion4073]

@@shebsheb8850 There was never a sovereign Palestine in all of history.