ISTP vs ESTP with DAVE OF ALL PEOPLE and ESTP Daniel | Type Talks E14

ISTP DAVE OF ALL PEOPLE and ESTP Daniel discuss the differences and similarities between their two types.
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[@patrickhodson8715]

As an ISTP, I'd say we aren't necessarily assholes. It's just that we _aren't afraid_ to be assholes if it's necessary, where a lot of types are

[@JoyceMeng22]

Yes!! ISTPs are just more okay with saying it as it is. Not assholes, but not afraid of saying it straightforwardly.

[@Anonymous_Anon882]

ESTPs fit that title more than their inverted/mechanical counterparts, anyway. ISTPs are perfectly-fine.

[@Diamond1906Az]

define what is an asshole first. I am an istp and i dont think at all i am an asshole (a stupid, irritating, or contemptible person.) it is just that people dont understand my logic and they perceive me as rude. Perhaps people are asshole lol. For instance, when I claimed a different conclusion than what you said this might be rude or stubborn or whatever, i am just being me and saying what i think is right. I dont fear judgement and i dont fear being wrong what i fear is people doing the same thing and have the same conclusions without considering more perspectives.

[@nicholassmith7473]

As an istp it's been my experience even I think I'm being nice I'm not.

[@alowlypawn]

I love an opportunity to put in my two cents, but over the years I’ve learned to pick my battles and have let Fe chill me out.

[@elenafowler4104]

Can you do one with ISTP and ESTP female? Not a lot of content on us! :D

[@JoyceMeng22]

On it! Thanks for the suggestion.

[@baaf777]

That was fun to watch. Cool to see two STP's with deep knowledge of typology.

[@daveofallpeople]

Was great being on again! Thanks a bunch!

[@JoyceMeng22]

Hey Dave, it was great speaking to you again!! :) Thank you for coming on. I had such a fun time discussing MBTI with you

[@MrLuigiFercotti]

That Se ability to act quickly and decisively is definitely situational though. I can get very deliberate at times to the point of being stuck.

[@JoyceMeng22]

Absolutely! I would say that is most common for Se Aux types (ISTP and ISFP) or Se dominant types who may suffer from some sort of condition (anxiety, low self-esteem)

[@Ikram-sz8re]

Love your type talks, Joyce! You and your guests illustrate the cognitive functions beautifully. Super focused, and detailed. It's so hard to find type info about sensors-- your videos definitely help bridge that info-gap 😜

[@JoyceMeng22]

Thank you, Ikram :) !! Yes, I love inviting sensors on to give their thoughts spotlight ^-^. I appreciate you taking time out of your day to watch Type Talks.

[@lindslou9654]

Great job on facilitating the interviews! Keep up the good work & great insight!

[@JoyceMeng22]

Much appreciated! Thank you, Linds :)

[@RetroXRicardo]

Another great video Joyce! I loved how through the video you were able to brainstorm the cognitive differences between the ISTP and the ESTP. I don't know too many ISTP or ESTP folks, but this video helps a lot to spot or differentiate between them both! 👏👏👏

[@cschelko]

This was a fun and informative video to watch.

[@JoyceMeng22]

Yay! I'm so glad you enjoyed watching. :)

[@czJanKrejci]

That was an awesome interview Joyce, thanks for organizing that! FF-TiSe-CPS here ;)

[@JoyceMeng22]

Glad you enjoyed it! Nice to see an ISTP around these parts :) (They're low key my favourite type, Dave and Shan feel the same)

[@Kutthroatkawaii]

Ti really makes sense in this context too.

[@sirbradfordofhousejones]

I can relate to the ESTP pizza friend because sometimes when you go to other places you feel limited/trapped by the options that are there. Also, pizza is always great.

[@ma_iii]

21:12 exactly ESTPs aren’t social ! stereotypes present us as social creatures

[@yeaesthetics3195]

Yes. My enfp friends said "no you're not an extrovert!" But i am, i just NEEDS people. I don't necessarily party everyweek but i need them, not a want but a need.

[@CT-uf4fb]

Yo im an ISTP and i relate so much to Dave at 24:00 😂😂😂😂😂 this is exactly what im going through now and do realise i need to develop my SE and understand others more and be empathetic

[@JoyceMeng22]

Yes, developing that Se naturally leads to more Fe development :) So interesting to hear how you relate to Dave!!

[@JonasAnandaKristiansson]

7.25 100% man! MY GOD, haven't gotten so many.. agrees and insights etc as the last days of getting more into MBTI again. Thanks a LOT Joyce! Haven't been so excited about this matter for 2,5 years or something! Step father, and probably father too are ESTP and.. not "healthy" ones, so it is lovely to get input and more understanding of people of the type of processing "things".

[@JoyceMeng22]

Awesome! I'm glad you were able to gain deeper insight into your family members :) I'm overjoyed to know that you're getting something valuable from watching. It's interesting to learn about the wiring of ESTPs, especially since they aren't as common in the typology community.

[@LIDYAEIL]

Mind opening discussion! As an intp my take on using intuition would be that its not a momentart process but instead you continuously process the facts and information you have as a puzzle and examine the fit of the hypothesises with facts continuously in your head, and do not put them to use until Im satisfied that this hypothesis is congruent with almost all k nown facts and then I spit it out for use. Its a function built on continous mind examination, so understandable that people with se that arent as nerdy cant put up with this boring process that takes up a lot of time

[@jiwany]

omg her chuckles!

[@Prince-ol5zk]

This is soooooo lovely to watch! it clarified so much stuff especially with the Low Fe and high Ti of ISTP. I never understood why some relationships went downstream for me. But now I know that some times I felt emotionally detached from others for many reasons. What are your tips to help ISTP develop their FE?

[@tekua19]

Therapy and if you can find group therapy so you can practice connecting with others in a non judgemental environment have been great for me, an ISTP type. I just use those to develop my own emotional intelligence and discover my hangups with connection. Gets easier to do overtime ofc just like anything else.

[@KevinStarkey]

Wow, great interview Joyce! Thx so much for doing these! I've had my functions figured out for a while, the same 4 as the three of you, but I keep going back and forth on your 3 types, can't decide which is more me. I think my Ni is higher than either Daniel or Dave (based on how they both spoke about it), so I feel I'm closer to you Joyce actually. At this point I'm guessing I'm an ISTP Jumper, that seems to make the most sense I think; I'm def a double introvert, altho I did entertain the possibility of ESTP. Altho when you all were talking about the frustrations ESTPs have in traffic with other drivers, I have that to an extreme, altho it's under control. The hardest 'coins for me to see in me is the 'DD' vs 'OO'; it def seems like I'm doing both all of the time. Which one I do more is hard for me to see I guess. Def relate to all 3 of you quite a lot! Awesome interview!

[@JoyceMeng22]

Hi Kevin!! Thank you for watching ^-^. I'm glad this video was helpful. :) Yes DD and OO is a hard coin to figure out. I find Ni varies for every STP. I will be interviewing STPs who identify more strongly with their Ni in the future, so that may be of interest to you. Good luck on your type journey!!

[@JoyceMeng22]

There's an ISTP on Twitter called Leena (@TieOnKevyt) who beautifully summarized her thoughts on the video, so I thought I'd post them here! :) "1) A clear difference between ISTP and ESTP is the reaction time from an idea/stimulus to action. 2) ISTP’s lagtime in social situations can be a struggle to them, unless being in likeminded company. Yes, using Fe automatically would help a lot in everyday situations [sigh] 3) ESTPs are all about the freedom and the flexibility of the moment vs ISTPs know they need some routines to keep the focus and achieve their goals. 4) Both types eventually end up facing the same growth struggles, as they work down their own function stack over time. 5) Dave described ISTP’s tertiary Ni combined w/ inferior Fe well: you know what’s the most likely conclusion but you still don’t trust your call ’cause you doubt your people skills. But I, too, feel I can trust my Ni when Fe / the tribe are not directly involved in the equation. The title of the video inspired lots of thoughts from me but you basically covered them all, one by one. It was especially fun to listen to Dave ’cause his train of thoughts was almost identical to my own."

[@CainSuzuko]

Thought I was ISTP at first but realized I was getting energized by social interactions and external stimuli. I previously thought I was feeling drained because I interacted too much with people, turns out I get drained because the interaction has ended. My girlfriend pointed it out to me when she saw me with my friends recently. We also thought that she was the extrovert and I'm the introvert, but it was the opposite all along. We just assumed so because we first met when she was with her close friends that she's comfortable with. It checks out because at the start of our relationship, whenever she wanted to spend time with me, I'm always busy doing something with my friends. I learned to stop being a douche tho. Now she told me that she actually gets easily drained, even with her friends. I think I am socially introverted but cognitively extroverted, meaning I'm usually reserved, specifically at the beginning but my energy increases the longer I stay because I get energized. We recently hanged out with her friends and I think I talked to them more than she did lmao. Edit: My gf is an ISFP btw.

[@dxfifa]

I vs E in MBTI has nothing to do with social extroversion. an ISTP simply leads with Ti over Se. and thus spends a lot more time thinking than the ESTP. The ISTP can be socially extroverted, infact the ISxP are the most likely to appear to be so due to Se. The main way to tell is ISTP are always using their logic to interpret the external world and being present through their thinking. ESTPs usually use their logic as needed and just experience gathering data about the world. Of course the Fe inferior vs child makes ISTP less charming and more blunt often, but just like INTP, an ISTP can be highly social, but in a more naive, straightforward and sometimes awkward but ultimately endearing way. ISTPs are often even better than INTPs because they are like social robots, I know a few who seem to not understand Fe that well, but the Ti/Se/Ni has them running expert social blending mode because they watch people and learn what to do and what not to do. INTPs are often weird background characters but a lot more interesting and charming when they hit the right social environment. ISTPs blend in perfectly until they're asked to lead and create in social situations. I'm personally an ambiverted INTP (my Si is stronger than Fe and my Ti leads even though my Ne is clearly strong) and I think my friend is an ambiverted ISTP. He gets on with almost everyone because he just lets them talk and gathers information, and always is aware of what to do socially although talking to him it seems more logical from observing rather than from strong Fe or tert Fe. With friends who he trusts he is very blunt and to the point. Me, I'm unaware of my surrounding a lot except a narrow focus that gives me ideas, but the Ne really helps talking 1 on 1. Si also makes it harder for me to not take things hard and remember the mistakes i did make.

[@CainSuzuko]

@@dxfifa My friends who are taking psychology in college typed me as ENTP based on their observation and analysis of my habits. They also asked me questions, like what would I do or think in a certain scenario. I know you don't know me but do you think it is possible for someone, specifically me, to mistype themselves/myself that far off? I might have completely misunderstood Sensing and Intuition.

[@CT-uf4fb]

Yo im an ISTP and 24:00 i totally can relate to Dave😂😂😂😂this is what im going thru right now with my circle of friends

[@fareastpride94]

ya istp here. I love doing parkour vaults. nothing to crazy though. 360+ flips/spins are for estps. jk. also, in my case, sometimes I act first and other times I think first. It really depends. As long as I use my mind at some point in time, then I do well. I believe it is better for me to think and prepare behind the scenes then go into action when stuff arises. Then instincts are all automatic. also, I have been told I am more proactive than most. But I am hesitant when there are no fine lines behind standards and policies. (ex store closes exactly 5pm, customer comes in for coffee 502, some workers serve customer, some give a firm no)

[@JoyceMeng22]

Parkour!! How awesome. Se users and their adrenaline rushes. I love it. Also, great breakdown of your mind. =] I'll reflect on this

[@LelaBria]

Y’a i really appreciate examples of estps like Daniel. Bec i too have thought I’m ISTP for a while or introverted but I was not sure ISTP /estp. Thé more i learn it becomes clear estp. I wanted to add (perhaps attempting to contribute to precision lol) to his type of chaos that he doesn’t like. I super relate to this , and like you say Joyce , that when ur sort of forced into it I find i become a very proactive “warrior” mode. My friends joke that “coach won’t let us play” 😂 when I’m in that mode which Bec I’m familiar with it I related to the idea of te when I was new to functions but now I see no def not lol. But when the type of chaos is Fe related , ans we feel personally responsible for managing the Fe of the situation I think it might be overwhelming to our Fe tertiary? Bec i relate to that also. In some ways I’m totally fine managing while everyone and everything around me is melting and imploding 😂but when it’s personal I think or taps into the Fe secret sensitivity 🤫 that none of us have Bec we are not sensitive to anything right 😉lol I think it can be very overwhelming and illicit and instsnt reaction to order the chaos so it can be dealt with. I Think become sort of stj lol in that mode.

[@LelaBria]

Also I think it can be common for estps to think we’re introverted actually. Like it isn’t always as obvious as a lot of stereotypes , in the social way. But one thing I realized to distinguish is I kept going when ISTP is uncomfortable or anxious socially I’m like wut no lol not me. I don’t WANT TO be boisterous and talkative or social a lot of the time , that’s not the same as uncomfortable/anxious. I think if ur not sure of ISTP/ESTP if u know and are confident you can handle social situations when you need to lol 😂that can be a tip off also perhaps ? Also I relate to I think an opposite concept that Joyce alwyas mentions. This idea of a “floating head” I actually feel like Se dom i can sometiems relate to thé opposite i Think? Maybe a floating body 😂 like when I’m really tired or overly focused inwards or something it’s like my body is on some sort of auto pilot floaty mode lol idk maybe. 😂

[@Kutthroatkawaii]

Wow! Super interesting point about how doing physical activities like climbing and obstacle courses, etc, is enjoyable rather than traditional exercises for Se because it requires full focus on action and solving a problem.

[@JoyceMeng22]

Yes!! So well said =] it's almost like engaging and tracking reality in real-time energizes them. I will say, I also know ISTPs who don't do sports and watch anime 24/7. :D So some of them aren't always obviously Se.

[@ma_iii]

38:10 true, as an #ESTP I might only consider families relationships and close people.

[@yeaesthetics3195]

Yes

[@YEDxYED]

Daniel looks like the Jack Nicholson version of ESTPs

[@livfre3207]

Thanks

[@antondeannova7016]

Thx good vidio gbu... May i ques... If only 2 optn WhT is ideal trade for istp..? Electrician(wirehouse) Carpenter(framing house) Thx gbu

[@careglow7669]

This is so interesting! You get the types together I often wonder about: what if or how the difference? Nice this getting visual. I like the estp so much but as an Infj I will never be able to keep up with an estp long term, I have an estp son with hyper active, I can only dream of being soooo fast and so reactive! With the Istp I can do some Ni what is nice, but I will be in great admiration for the Estp, whishing to be able to keep up with them. Did Daniel say his wife is Infj??

[@careglow7669]

And also respect to get these types together and both knowing themselves

[@JoyceMeng22]

Yes! Daniel's wife is an INFJ and she is the owner of Psychology Junkie :)

[@careglow7669]

@@JoyceMeng22 I am just so excited I found your channel and that you are so productive and bold( in a very sweet Infj manner 😊) to get so many interesting and smart and often already wel known 'youtube persons' together, thanks again🐛

[@cherishtheday2223]

I can’t figure out if I’m an ISTP or ESTP

[@lucyk2634]

Same

[@LelaBria]

Timing of the self/tribe vs chaos issues in our life journeys is really interesting way to try to determine. I would guess tho that for us females , fe issues will be immediately identified as a problem for us in a way that won’t likely be as “problematic” to societal expectations. The low de plus thinker female combo lol so that might actually be reflected sooner for females too hmm.

[@mina.t.]

I understand that both are compatible for ESTJ and ISTP is the golden match. It that correct? If so, where do they hide?

[@DRAVIASTUDIO]

27:00 __ Everybody go to your room __ sit on your bed __ close your eyes __ And just breath For Us INTJs it is so Chaotic we mostly don't have kids LoL.

[@vanessameyer1506]

Joyce, you mention ESP's fixation is Control & Chaos. Can you give me some references to learn more about this?

[@JoyceMeng22]

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[@kadsenvieh]

Dave ist just sooooo fkn hot! dang! :D

[@Alex-bd4ov]

I am an ESTP who just sustained a SCI now I don't know what to do with my life and what career I can do. I am from South Africa. If anyone could help please leave a comment. Thanks.

[@sirbradfordofhousejones]

6:55 SERIOUSLY. Get a move on, other 14 types!! 😆

[@barrydworak]

Come on. We're TOTALLY jerks. I usually do open others' beers first, because I learned etiquette growing up. That can cover a multitude of actual sins. 🤣 And I'm all about yelling at stupid drivers, which becomes a problem when I'm in my open Jeep. Thanks for this! ISTP

[@mufunwatharage3784]

I’m an istp

[@scone1025]

you know he's a real ESTP because you have a smiling ISTP in the thumbnail.

[@VividBites]

Do you mean that only ESTP could get ISTP to laugh?

[@scone1025]

@@VividBites no, humor is subjective, and anything can be funny in its way. But i do think its easier for an ISTP to relax, in a sense, with an ESTP. They stay in the present, talk in a straightforward manner, and if they want to say or do something, its usually entertaining.

[@PowerRedBullTypology]

The more I see Dave in videos (he's in quite some videos on youtube) the less he seems an ISTP to me. Whilst ISTP's are sensors, they do often like to analyse things and understanding things is what they desire (understanding things in reality). However, dave just wants to solve some issues with the least amount of effort and throws some half thought out solutions towards it. That seems more a Te approach to me where the goal is to just to fix the issue enough so it goes away. Ti is more invested in their logic than Te. I am not sure if I've seen Dave really be invested in the things he thinks about. What does he like to think about? These are some of the examples where he actually displays or talks about himself. Other times he just seems to want to give answers that he seems to perceive are expected of him. "We as ISTP's are ok with chaos but also with control". That's just describing the theory, but does not really involve an answer that actually seems to be based on him. These are just generics that anyone who's familair with the types and theory can describe. He often does not really give answers in a straight away fasion, which you'd expect from an ISTP. His body language, expression and interaction seems really smooth, while ISTP's are typically not smooth at all due to 4th slot Fe. His Fe is clearly better than Daniel, while Daniel should be better at it than Dave. I would have loved to further refine my comment, but I gotta go sleep!

[@JoyceMeng22]

Hi! Alright so your reply makes a lot of sense. :) I will say, everyone I put on my show is someone whom I believe to be correctly typed. So you know my opinion on them. With Dave; In the ISTP vs INTP video he did talk about analyzing and understanding reality using Ti. I do agree with you about how that is a Ti thing. He didn't talk about that in detail because I didn't ask about it, so that's on me!! Now, I can see how some of the things we've said can sound Te. But I don't think they're actually solving problems in a Te way, but Se reacting. As I think Se is a perceiving function that provides information from your concrete senses. It can result in taking in everything happening around you and if you're proactive, to react and act. A big reason for why I believe Dave and Daniel to not use Te (as a dominant or auxiliary) is because they're definitely perceivers, they take each day as it comes and they go with the flow to the max & see the sensory with fresh eyes. Whereas I'd expect a judger to be more structured. But yeah if you're skeptical, then that's totally okay!! I get it and you have sound reasoning behind it. =] I'll definitely have a variety of guests on and you can totally pick and choose who you want to watch and which to skip out on.

[@uzih]

Honestly I think the answer is (within OP) just the math of if you are a DD vs OO. Is you brain)attuned to threats one area vs another. Who will be better at what is an emergent property. Obama is typed as an ESTP I'm sure his Ni is better than mine