IT ALWAYS HAPPENS AT THE WORST TIME: Strong winds with too much sail up - Episode 35

[@donkee120]

I went passed the sugar mill today. No matter how hard boat life gets, just remember how much it sucked working at a sugar mill in summer .. :p

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

Absolutely mate! We never forget the challenges we went though to get to where we are now. That’s what makes it all the sweeter for us! Cheers, Josh

[@rafaelabreu-canedo6698]

The old hair clog. Classic. Having to brush hair outside the boat is a hassle at first, but well worth it once you get used to it. Keep up the great work, y’all!

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

Just glad we know now! Serious business those hair balls 😂 thanks for your support! Josh

[@SailingWildeBleu]

Brilliant job of including us in the adventure and sharing the real excitement (stress) that sailing sometimes involves. If it was all sunshine, dancing dolphins and gentle waves, everybody would be out there and it wouldn’t be an adventure.

[@markdempster1216]

Hi guys. Great video and makes for some good watching Just a little advice. It’s not a race As soon as your having weather helm issues or issues inside the boat slow the boat right down Reef earlier or heave to if your needed down below to look for water leaks etc. Your both doing a great job. Keep the videos coming and enjoy your sailing 👍👍

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

Couldn’t agree more, thanks for the reminder Mark. Always appreciate positive thoughts like that. Cheers, Josh

[@hawk8708]

Heaving to is one of my favorite moves. Works great even in a blow and you don't have to drop sails. Perfect when you need all hands to chase an issue. Did I mention you don't have to drop sails?

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

Absolutely! We have hove to previously on our passage to Musgrave when Phoebe had to glue my head back together 😁 if this was a longer passage we probably would have but we knew as soon as we were in the Lee of the island we wouldn’t be in calm water. Cheers mate, Josh

[@johnmcphee7004]

Thanks for sharing. Loved how you work together to solve the issues and never yelling and getting too excited which would just increase the stress! Another experience to making you both better sailors. Phoebe you narrated and summarized very smoothly. You are not just another pretty face! Good job on the pump rebuild and that's why you have that "junk". You guy are living the dream. Best of luck to you both, enjoy.

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

Cheers John, we appreciate your positive feed back and support! Glad to have you along for the ride mate. Cheers, Josh

[@craiglewis6821]

Hi, Kids, I love your channel, because you show the emotion that is sailing. I can only think how scary it can get! Phoebe, you are really learning the ropes, pun intended🤣🤣You guys are learning a lot of on-the-job training. Always safety first!!! Love you two, so stay safe and keep sailing. Regards from Arizona.

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

Hey Craig awesome to hear your feedback mate and so stoked your enjoying the adventure with us! Considering we had bugger all experience at beginning of our videos we have come a way - and still going! Cheers mate, Josh

[@loripeaceandlove6391]

Hi Beautiful’s GREAT JOB! Working together and figuring things out. Love! Little Sonia- what an awesome helper 😘 Can’t wait for next weeks video. PeaceAndLove Lori

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

Cheers Lori! We always appreciate your comments 😬❤️

[@seanbruynthejourney6293]

great video guys.. thanks for sharing. peace.

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

Hey Sean thanks for the support! Cheers mate

[@donaldwatson554]

Well done on working things out , remember team work makes the dream work ! Cheers Kids -.Donnie

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

Cheers Donnie!

[@timjackson2799]

Another great video , I love how y,all work so good together , there's going to be bad an good times but y,all work it all out * together * , Cheers for sharing another adventure , y'all take care an be safe .

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

Cheers for the support! We appreciate your feedback 😬

[@patraic5241]

Something to consider. A submersible pump you can deploy and plug into your electric with enough hose to discharge overboard through the hatches. You can even get a small portable gen to plug it into so if the electric fails it will still work.

[@kapow1324]

Not the best idea...you won't be opening hatches in storm conditions when you need to urgently pump (after leak finding). Also the potential for oil or diesel in the bilge water would turn the decks into an ice rink, adding a potential for going overboard / loss of life.

[@patraic5241]

@@kapow1324 Storm or Gale conditions are a whole different scenario. Having an option when all else fails is never a bad thing. There are so many instances where boats were lost in otherwise fair conditions because a thru hole failed.

[@kapow1324]

@patraic5241 ​Yes multiple options, systems and hierarchy based controls to reduce risk is fundamental. Done properly can be the diff between life and death. Running mobile with potentially fatal AC voltages and carbon monoxide around a flooding boat, using a portable generator just adds unnecessary risk. Issue shown appears to require routing the bilge lines on an incline to a vented loop. Poorly made, installed and maintained thru-hulls and valves sink boats.

[@patraic5241]

@@kapow1324 What risk when all else fails? This exact scenario happened on another YT channel not that long ago. He almost lost his boat when a seacock broke off on a day's sail. He was saved when a nearby SV brought him a submersible pump and a little gen to power it. He now carries Both himself. You hope you never have to use it but when you need it you need it Right Now.

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

Cheers guys, I appreciate all the great points raised in this conversation. We now carry a small genset that was given to us at the boat yard, I just had to put a new pull cord on it. I’m going to buy a 240V pump and a drill pump just to keep up our sleeves. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it hey? Also next haul out new thru hull fittings and valves are on the list! Cheers, Josh

[@jimjames5416]

Taste the water, if it's fresh water its from inside the boat. If its salty, it's from outside the boat.

[@sailordavo]

Hi guys you need to move your bilge pump outlets to above the waterline. On mine they exit at the stern with a non return valve in the line. Below waterline bilge pump outlets are a disaster waiting to happen.

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

Hey Davo! Our bilge discharge is usually above the waterline when at rest, however as we were healed over it was well below. We also have non return (check valves) in line. The white valve with red handle is for our exhaust out let on the stern that is also above the waterline but I will get onto replacing the valve! Cheers mate, Josh

[@TammyBillings-qt1ve]

Great content. Thanks

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

Glad you enjoyed it Tammy!

[@WilliamTerry-tf1my]

Good save guys. Sail away!

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

Cheers mate!

[@Kktc4you]

😅😅👍 great work. You figured it out.

[@stevecrombie5357]

It would appear that Poseidon has decided to (foghorn) with you. I'm glad you have been able to experience some beauty in your destinations and some while sailing. You have been tested. I don't know how you feel about the lost footage, but having sat there and talked through the troubles thinking you were laying it out there for us to see, would have been very hard. My posts are too long, and I apologize. I'm letting myself get involved in your journey. Stay safe. ❤🙏

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

Hey Steve welcome back and thanks for your thoughts! We always appreciate the comments. We certainly felt tested but am glad we were able to survive and learn from it! Many thanks and best wishes, Josh

[@willjohnson9368]

Hard to tell for sure... Looks like your u-joints are out of phase near the rack and pinion unit of your steering... You tube it... Many great demos there about driveline phasing...

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

Cheers Will, I’ll do some research!

[@sailordavo]

Also I have just noticed that you have a white valve with a red handle below the water line. These should not be used below the waterline. They are prone to splitting. Next time you are on the hard, replace them with trudesign composite ones.

[@rickdoner5181]

Phoebe lass, look up the ending scene for "THe MArtian and listen to what he says. Change "space" for "sea". I know is a movie scene, but the advice is still perfect.

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnbLk6mHiN1pes0si=udC26Jv2tfjO2MDU this the scene you’re talking about? if so, spot on ❤️ thank you for sharing

[@rickdoner5181]

@@Thenewkidsonthedock yes! It wouldn't let me post the link.

[@bryanbadger6841]

And here's me thinking my day was dramatic. I can't complain. Thank you again for sharing..Love it. Take care and atb from across the ditch.

[@gregrichards468]

That top bearing were the shaft is sliding should hav a ecentric collar to lock the shaft in place, you also need to try different phases onthe uni to stop the hard soft feeling in the helm, if you guys are still in the townsville area i can show.

[@Mi-ck]

Came here to say this. It’s either that or some have two small grub screws that tighten down onto the shaft.

[@Mi-ck]

Also looks like the steering rack is hard mounted to the boat with only one clevis on the rudder end. The arc of the rudder would be side loading the steering rack pretty bad.

[@rhyswilliams695]

The u joint phasing is wrong. Not a huge issue, but not ideal.

[@gregrichards468]

@@Mi-ck They have a ball joint to allow the rod to piviot .

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

Hey everyone, really appreciate your thoughts and insights into our steering system! This is a system I have never felt extremely confident in. When we purchased the boat it was described as bombproof to me. On the final leg of our delivery of the boat back to Ballina the steering rack uncoupled which helped me learn about our emergency tiller 😅 I would appreciate any ideas on an improved steering system as we really need to find a way to implement an auto pilot that operates off the rudder post. Cheers guys, Josh.

[@nutsandbolts432]

Should be able to remove a bolt off the rack and slide the shaft out, then spin the wheel. I doubt the problem is in the rack after seeing how bent the shaft is and how much movement is in the bearings. You could wrap a little sand paper around the shaft, working it back and forth to sand away some clearance on the beam where the shaft is making contact.

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

Hey nutsandbolts, good thinking! I’m also working on getting a reliable auto pilot set up that operates off the rudder post if you have any ideas! Cheers mate, Josh

[@nutsandbolts432]

@@Thenewkidsonthedock luckily you have a steel boat, so welding on tabs and brackets is straightforward. Personally I’m good with hydraulics, and would look at an agricultural system like SV Seeker did on his junk rig. Way over built and 110% reliable, plus cheap. Requires ingenuity and know how. Otherwise, any “off the shelf” autopilot system would work. I would imagine any yard could weld on the brackets for $50 or so. The electronics is the expensive part. Look into getting a sponsorship from B&G, Raymarine, Garmin etc.

[@thomasboyd2734]

Still no PFD's? You are sailing reefed with one person in the cockpit and the other the cabin resolving bilge pump issues. You are learning valuable skills/lessons with each passage. What is it going to take to learn that you need to wear a pfd on passages? One small slip and your lives could change.

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

Hey Thomas, Josh here. Yes we weren’t wearing PFDs, a few months later reviewing the footage for the video is where we do most of our learning. Unfortunately that doesn’t enable us to implement it week to week as we wish we could, same with our sailing techniques. Best believe next season you’ll be seeing plenty more of us in our safety gear. Cheers mate!

[@Lana_Warwick]

Hard not to, but using the helm as support to keep yourself upright during rodeo rides (push/pull) is naturally going to loosen, wear, bend it. All that heavy diy automotive setup is just some guys idea of reinventing the wheel. Cable steering is much simpler, lighter, very easy to diy, incl remote repairs. Check out some other boats for ideas. KISS.

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

Great information Lana! Thanks for the idea, I’ll do some research! Cheers, Josh

[@Lana_Warwick]

@@Thenewkidsonthedock NP. Another thought in-case never done, drop the rudder (on hard or shallow water), service/replace bearings/seals, consider ways to improve it, should be little free play/knock, able to turn easily with one finger (also easier on AP).

[@deerfootnz]

Non-return valves are inherently very unreliable. You should have spares on board and if the system depends on the checkvalve to not sink, then it is wrong & dangerous. Bilge pumps should outlet above the waterline on or near the centerline so they cant immerse when heeled. So in practice this means the transom. And any line like this that can siphon back in MUST be fitted with an anti - siphon loop which is as high as possible right under the deckhead. All connections must have double hose clamps which must be inspected regularly replaced every few years.

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

Awesome feedback thanks for this! I’ll be doing some re routing and re thinking for the bilge discharge. Cheers mate! Josh

[@davidbamford4721]

The anchor well should have a drain at each aft corner, draining through the skin of the boat. You will need to make these at your next haul out.

[@allanwhite8422]

If it ain,t broke leave it alone

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

In many circumstances I can agree, but that technique doesn’t give us peace of mind when we need reliability in our essential equipment. Cheers mate, Josh

[@nautichunt84]

I never realised she is a steely, what breed and size is it?

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

Yeah mate! She’s a 1985 Joe Adams steel sloop rigged center cockpit, 35ft

[@nautichunt84]

@@Thenewkidsonthedock yeah nice, think the Adams where a lot like The Roberts, in the 40"range atleast. We have a steel Roberts spray 40 centre cockpit ketch.

[@roberthazlehurst2752]

Get yourself a drill pump

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

Thanks for the idea we will definitely look into a drill pump!

[@emmett8462]

😪 *Promo SM*

[@Thenewkidsonthedock]

what does promo sm mean??