It Just Got Weird

[@christianhuseby842]

"Im just a white dude, sitting in a bunker" unknown source, Berlin 1945

[@tomhausen9048]

That shadow on his tache is doing him no favours

[@gezblair]

Beat me to it by 55 minutes damn you

[@rory4605]

I initially thought that was a reference to Notting Hill’s “i’m just a man, standing in the rain”. 😂

[@kelicon]

I not so sure Zealand will get a history joke.

[@drex5160]

"I wasn't that good when i was 16", Haaland said about Moukoko when they were at both at Dortmund. Blud didnt know he was even older than him 😭

[@averageguy8974]

Moukoko is apparently born on July 19th 2000, and Haaland is only born two days later 💀

[@drex5160]

​@@averageguy8974 i was just joking but it might actually be true 😅

[@rayeardley7618]

To be fair to Haaland he wasn't that good when he was 16. It was the work he put into improving himself in his late teens that produced the monster he is now.

[@SongofIceandTea]

@@averageguy8974 Haaland already played in UCL while Moukoko still playing with teenagers, including his girlfriend which is criminal

[@spinyslasher6586]

@@rayeardley7618 It also helps that both his mother and father have ideal athlete genes that they passed onto their son.

[@generalpenultimo6502]

It's very different to Silas tho, he was essentially threatened and blackmailed by his agent to keep quiet about his real identity, otherwise he would send him back to Africa and kill his carrier. He also took a lot of money from Silas as well. Just after one or two seasons he had the confidence in himself and the trust to the Stuttgart board that they would protect him from his agent if he spoke up

[@A22337]

That's certainly a common driving factor behind this. Outright human trafficking is happening in football all the time. And they to make the value of their 'assets' as big as possible. It's very ignorant of some to accuse the players in question of faking their own age when they are not the primary benefactor of that.

[@varulven3206]

Okay so regarding Moukoko for me as a German who is following Moukoko since he was like 13/14 i gotta say even if he is 4 years older (which i wouldnt doubt) lets see what he did in his carreer. When he was 13/14 he played in the U17 team when he was 15/16 he played the U19 team so in the best case he was the same age in the worst he was one year older. Even if he was one year older than all other players in the league 90 goals in 56 matches in the U17s and 44 goals in 23 matches in the U19s are still forking impressive. So what happened after? From the moment he joined Borussia Dortmunds first team for the next 18 Months they had this norwegian striker called Haaland (real football insiders might ve heared of him already) and played 90+% of the matches with a single striker formation so as a coach you gotta chose to start either a "16" year old Moukoko or the 20/21 year old Haaland. For me this was the breaking point of Moukokos carreer. At that age he needed a loan LoAn LOAN LOOOOOAN to another club where he would have guaranteed starting and playing time to keep on developing. When Haaland finally moved to City Moukoko was broken already and they bought other strikers to start instead of him. Even if he is 4 years older he had the potential to become Germanys next Miroslav Klose. Now he is wasted and we need to wait for the next talented striker to pop up out of pretty much nowhere....

[@emanuelfer456]

Thats the actual problem with a lot of players from undeveloped countries, specially african where these agents fake player ids to make them younger to make them more "promising". I work with transfermarkt and I've seen cases of literally adults in their 20s playing for u17 and being brought up to main squad as the future this or that.

[@emanuelfer456]

One of the biggest examples is Pecks, who played for Gil Vicente in Portugal and was at certain point linked to Porto and to Man City at supposedly 18/19 years old. He was 23.

[@gui18bif]

It doesnt matter that he is good. A lot of black kids get sent to Europe with fake numbers and then they take the local kids places.

[@eqeeqeqeqeeqeqeq6696]

Bro youre coping so hard and you don’t seem to understand that playing vs 4 year younger boys is a massive advantage and makes you seem like a talent of the century. Wtf am I reading here 😂

[@cass2239]

​@@eqeeqeqeqeeqeqeq6696 The point they were making, which seems to have gone completely over your head, was that he was always playing 2+ years ahead of his registered age, so playing against players who were his age, or about a year younger. One of the reasons club will do this is so that players are playing against other youth players at a similar physical development to them.

[@Sigmondenglebertsaxonkaser]

in the uk we have a darts player who is 16 and looks 35 he gets a bit of stick for it but no one questions it he just looks old

[@ninjalectualx]

He's white though

[@Sigmondenglebertsaxonkaser]

@ninjalectualx yes that's kind of my point mate

[@MichaelSnyder1776]

Cool hand Luke

[@croissantpower]

He wasn’t born in a country that’s been made well known in age fraud

[@sehu1291]

Meanwhile he is 17 😂 but he looked really like 30 with 16. But it's his Real age. Would not made sense as an Darts player and he is born in England

[@shaunnichols1743]

This sounds a lot like what goes on with baseball players in the Dominican Republic. One way MLB teams addressed this was to set up academies in the country and employ people to check and investigate at the local level. Also, let's not pretend like similar things don't happen in developed countries: there's that town in Ohio where the top football players all mysteriously end up needing to repeat a grade in middle school.

[@jaopeke]

That is such a terrible example just because you are good sports doesn't mean you are good at school or take it seriously. You are correct that it does happen in the United States

[@shaunnichols1743]

@@jaopeke If you watch the documentary "Go Tigers" they literally call it redshirting and admit it has very little to do with academic performance

[@ninjalectualx]

Wild if true, because his football development was actually harmed because he wasn't allowed with the adult team

[@Sly_404]

I get your point but in reality his skills been severely overvalued compared to other players in his age bracket.

[@LiftandCoa]

On the other side, they guranteed themselves a Pro contract, which is the payoff they looked out for. And considering he is actually good enough for top flight professional football i actually see no harm for either Youssoufa or his father (note: from the information presented in the video), just for the kids he played with.

[@lisaruhm6681]

Yes and no, if tis is true, when he actually played in Dortmunds U teams, he was at the same age as everyone else or 1 year older.

[@Reorganiser]

@@LiftandCoa or as Zealand said the players he didn't play with because Youssoufa was picked instead. You never know about the jumps a player can make in his developments, and allegedly Youssoufa stole that opportunity from them. But I would also argue that he wasn't played as much in Dortmund because they thought he had more time. They were very slow to insert him into the first team when he probably was ready. Who knows if they had put Modeste, Füllkrug or Haller ahead of him after the Haaland departure if they hadn't considered him a youth prospect but an actual first team member which would have been the case if he was 22 instead of 18

[@PasOdMater]

I remember back when that one African player said he lied about his age, everyone was calling out Moukoko as the next one.

[@aut0roboto]

Video starts at 2:01

[@lps2013]

The other way around is also possible, I've got a colleague from Angola with portuguese roots who is older on her passport than she actually is, so that she could start working earlier.

[@darkjudge8786]

So are we all going pretend the shadow makes him have a toothbrush moustache like an Austrian painter?

[@MattMcMatt]

Zealand really needs to relocate to international waters to truly be safe

[@kylec10]

Zealand: Thinking African players ages aren’t the age they say is racist Also Zealand: African countries can’t track the ages of their players what

[@symptomofsouls]

Moukoko was one of the only players where I could genuinely see him being an age fraud, because of how young he seemingly peaked. In hindsight it makes sense

[@samuelhuff4489]

Zealand man i love your content but talking bout Bunkers with this mustache shadow is crazy work

[@vignotum132]

Hahahah just realised

[@timmytuckin]

Kyle Walker is probably offended

[@EugenesBackpack]

When he was "14", he had an 18 year old girlfriend

[@alexmiddleton2276]

Ok, but that is infinitely better than those two numbers being switched

[@loIj0ey]

What? Are you dumb?​@@alexmiddleton2276

[@bucklberryreturns]

No, it's equally bad ​@@alexmiddleton2276

[@minion663]

​@@alexmiddleton2276how 💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@tusaadrian7422]

@@alexmiddleton2276Why is it better?

[@_Jay_Singh]

Plot twist, the 4 year age gap is the other way and he’s actually 12 right now

[@andrewe6629]

I do want to add to the discussion in that Joseph Moukoko might not be the most reliable person for this? Obviously he would know but given all of the issues between the two when Yousuffa mouhkoko tried to renew his contract he could just be trying to discredit him. He has some motivation to lie to discredit the player.

[@supremegeneral2424]

“When he was 13 years old, I knew who he was” - Zealand sitting in a hotel room on the run

[@Drigallski]

the one i would definitely blame is the father. Also Z your hair looks like it might be 4 years older than you.

[@Pantalaimon91]

When my great grandfather came to the US with his parents he had an accurate birth certificate. When he was a kid, the court house burned down and his adoptive father lied about his age so he could work the farm with less stick from the local and state government in New Jersey. It's actually been an extremely common practice historically and it's not remotely surprising it still happens today from countries still trying to catch up.

[@dannytallmage2971]

Sounds like it is extremely common for immigrants. But that’s the problem.

[@Pantalaimon91]

@@dannytallmage2971 It didn't really have anything to do with him being an immigrant, nor his biological family. Both his parents had died and he and his siblings were adopted by an abusive ass that wanted to have fewer people side eye him about putting his definitely under age kids to work. It's also only a *problem in that people assume all people everywhere have the same access to everything. Within individual countries you can have dramatically different life circumstances that lead to wildly different levels of development physically, mentally, or emotionally. In this case, (Moukoko's) he was virtually always playing with kids 2-4 years "older" than him (keep in mind all of this is still only alleged). He was playing with kids equal to him in development, which matters significantly more than them all being the exact same age.

[@belgianbv]

My girlfriend has done internships in hospitals in Rwanda and the birthdates are accurate when the kids are born in the hospital. When a kid is born outside the hospital and they are not sure when they are born, usually the birthday of will be indicated as the 1st of January. So whenever there is any concern about the age, look at the birthday. Of course if there is bad intent, it is different, but in the end can you blame them.

[@bigmitchpreston]

would not suprise me in the slightest if a agent lost a ton on a a "sell on fee" today

[@Billiamwoods]

a a

[@atp2404]

He came to Germany when he was officially 9-10 years old(or 13-14 if he is a fraud), so there is a real opportunity that his alleged father scouted him and brought him to Europe, because he was good at football, even if he isn't lying about his age.

[@blem88]

So funny I’ve been waiting for months for this to happen

[@MarcosGarcia-pj3pq]

i don’t think it’s racist when we’ve had cases like Silas from stuttgart pop up relatively frequently

[@symptomofsouls]

Silas was a reverse age fraud, they claimed him to be older than he was so he could move to Europe a year early. But yeah, it's a huge thing

[@vignotum132]

I believe it is, compare Rooney and Lukaku for example

[@vignotum132]

Obviously it is more common for it to happen to immigrants, but the generalisation is racist

[@MarcosGarcia-pj3pq]

@@vignotum132 I mean if we wanna get into things like that, I would be able to say that this comment is racist because it implies only people of color are immigrants. I just believe the term racist is overused, and that dilutes the meaning of it.

[@vignotum132]

@@MarcosGarcia-pj3pq TL;DR: there is a distinction that makes my comment not racist, and the correct application of a ”diluted” sense of ”racism” is the best way to decrease racism. My comment is not racist, because it doesn’t assume everyone’s who is immigrant is black, it assumes black people are over-represented in the immigrant population compared to the general population, which is true for the setting we are talking about (Western Europe). That is a fact. So, saying that it is more likely for a black individual to have a fake age than a white one is not racist, but applying it to individual cases, where the reason you believe someone is older than their legal age simply because they are black IS racist. See the difference? Also, while I understand your worry about diluting the word ”racism”, I disagree. Racism is a spectrum, on which everyone lies on; everyone has racial stereotypes, because it is human to make stereotypes based on perceived group identities. By restricting the word behind arbitrary standards, it creates separation between ”non-racists” and ”racists”. But the mental separation doesn’t help, because creating those group mentally restricts movement between them. This means racist people are less likely to become less racist, since they are villainised by those who could otherwise help them change their beliefs (also causes the backfire effect.) It also means those believing themselves to be ”non-racist” have a harder time acknowledging the racial stereotypes that affect them, because to confront these stereotypes they have to change their view on their group identity, which is notoriously uncomfortable; this is called denialism.

[@ArtoriaPendragon-t8m]

8:44 - pretty sure in the UK, we have a system to specifically help individuals that have found themselves in this exact situation. Deception is not a justification, it's an excuse and is indicative of the individual and their future actions..m

[@interrupted_reverie]

it it only feels racist , because people assume this on all black people , instead of only cameroon peps

[@jessegarcia423]

Bae wake up, Hotel Zealand just dropped

[@needfoolthings]

You don't have a bae.

[@kayhoorn]

Ofc the word racism couldnt be spared in this video.

[@SongofIceandTea]

blud went from wonderkid to wonderadult in a day 😂

[@Yahoooch]

"it's racist". no it is not if we had so many precedents already from african countries. it is not because he is black per se.

[@alexfielding7191]

He's American, he can't help but bring race into it.

[@dishantithomas4198]

My brother in Christ it is racist lamine yamal was literally born in Barcelona it's well documented and even he got these accusations. Two things are capable of being corrected at the same time. They can be racist and be correct occasionally even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[@CortesCansados]

@@dishantithomas4198 who the fuck said that about lamine yamal? like speaking seriously? bro looks like a 16yo. if anything I believe someone would've said that in the sense that he didn't play like one...

[@Chris-rf5ht]

Im gonna start betting on Cameroon’s U teams from now on😅

[@needfoolthings]

Roger Milla is going to found out soon probably. He might have been 58 at the 90 WC.

[@beno1129]

If that's the case, it makes his performance at that world cup even more impressive. He was at least 40 years and still had a fantastic tournament, almost taking Cameroun to the semi-finals

[@JiggyMiggytv]

At my old job I had a Ugandan 🇺🇬 workmate. He immigrated to Australia with his family when he was a kid. He told me that his Mother that he immigrated with is not his actual Mother, it’s his Step Mother. His real Mother was shot dead by rebels while he was a baby strapped to her back… That blew my mind at the time.

[@dannytallmage2971]

You think that’s wild well I’m the former president of Uganda but I got impeached for having too much sex.

[@TheTrulysilentlie]

People absolutely doubted rooney's age. Social media just wasnt as big. He was accused of doping and all sorts.

[@nathanb286]

To be honest, coming from a Nigerian, with Cameroon you never know

[@McPilch]

Charlie Chaplinism

[@mantaminer6669]

Adolfism

[@AagoMcFly]

As a true crime enthusiast I only tune in when you are on the run

[@JoeMercersWay]

Another hidden hotel rooms episode

[@meep0455]

Age discrepancies are normal in sports, in football/soccer it's usually Africans that have had scandals so it's the default for bias, but in other sports like gymnastics eastern Europe and Asia have had their own bias and South America/Cuba for baseball age discrepancies

[@dmulqueen2k17]

Lets be real we all knew what age he was like 2 years ago

[@lkl3210]

0:27 no, you are not 7

[@marcosmarques2100]

You need toblame the parents because they did that to get more money for there son. and besides that he could have take the oportunity for other players with real age that maybe would start at his place.

[@eRR0Rq]

I watched the documentary. It took me 30 minutes to write a subjective summary of it here (I am a slow writer) ... and KZbin just deleted it. Maybe because the title of the documentation contains bad words, or because I used the word "allegedly" too often. Anyway, No more writing KZbin comments for me. It feels so pointless.

[@sehu1291]

He played with 12 at the U16 and with 14 at the U19 because he was so good. So he had no advantage in youth.

[@McPilch]

1:28 thought you said "Lungs" merch.....

[@iirovaltonen4258]

Zealand Hair is Weird

[@interrupted_reverie]

cant tell if he is balding or unbalding

[@needfoolthings]

It's not the hair that's at fault here.

[@speedymx2376]

"Leave the hair before the hair leaves you."

[@MatSjo]

An actual measured take on the whole age fraud problem. Thank you Z, this is important!

[@alexfielding7191]

Not really, he did the typical American thing and brought racism into it straight away.

[@TheJackson1991]

@@alexfielding7191 That did make my eyes roll in to another universe when he Instantly went there xD

[@MatSjo]

@@alexfielding7191 though the racism thing is a real problem in Europe concerning the issue as well.

[@SongofIceandTea]

@@MatSjo yeah right, because most people in africa or asia are not racist, you know what people in africa do when they see asian or white people ? or what people do in china when they see black people ? or what south american do when they see asian ? LOL 😂

[@kelkelly5516]

@@MatSjo Yeah it is, but bringing up race every chance you get is the opposite of a solution

[@meelooxavier6502]

Am I the only one that can't focus on anything else but the 'stache? 😂

[@milosruss]

basicly (if its true) he had at least 10 years where he was established player and no need to lie anymore. And he didnt come forward until somebody else said it

[@sm42941]

''no one looked at wayne rooney and said theres no way hes 16'' what...?

[@rekombinativ]

My guy runs from Jonny English

[@Spinna01]

HE’S BACK!!!

[@KT-ki6gz]

FIFA is really bad at this hunting Zealandism thing

[@eqeeqeqeqeeqeqeq6696]

But you were so racist when you said that you didn’t believe his age or said that this happens often with people coming over to Germany / Europe from Africa…

[@hudsonschlosser5368]

3 am is diabolical

[@Damian_1989]

What is it with african players and lying about age

[@TheBonecrusherz]

I live in Hamburg and when i was in school there were many african and some asian kids who faked their age

[@TheShruik]

Joseph Moukoko stated under oath that Yousuffa Moukokos age was 20 years.... this looks a lot like somebody who just wants attention...

[@ByddinRhyddidCymru]

Not 20, not German, a career based on lies will always fall

[@malenlhewig]

Stop making this about nationality

[@shaunnichols1743]

Not this BS again. If he is a citizen of Germany, he's German.

[@SongofIceandTea]

@@shaunnichols1743 is he citizen of German ? 18 y/o Moukoko is citizens of German according to the documents, not this unknown dude

[@dannytallmage2971]

@@shaunnichols1743nah indigenous Germans are the only German citizens.

[@ByddinRhyddidCymru]

@ paper doesnt equal ethnicity

[@EightsYT]

disliking video due to lack of LOANS song

[@Swedishpolymath]

Will you be in Manchester or Liverpool around the new year or is it "hostile territory"? #Dahlmeier #Finland #Aktia

[@tohruberthon47]

Will he do the LA LIGA title race video soon?

[@aristeia71]

First time I’ve been here with no views. Poor Z.

[@adaldi_]

You're back!

[@knappster1754]

Different cultures view fraud differently. In many cultures not lying a bit to get a great opportunity, especially for your child, is stupid.

[@kelkelly5516]

Well if it's cultururally accepted then nothing is wrong here, everyone should lie, right???

[@JimmyWiki]

hair is weird

[@honestjohn7513]

That was some 🧇

[@baltasargoncalves876]

Look ate his hair 😂😂😂

[@foodtenswhalestream940]

zealand and zealandism guy is the same guy confirmed? 1:35

[@LiftandCoa]

Nah that's a conspiracy if i ever saw one, Zealand just stole Zealandisms flow bar for bar to the point even they are confused

[@torodfs7593]

mi tink mi gwaan change mi birthday

[@cherimoya667]

Come back to gibraltar

[@sehu1291]

Switzerland is also a third world country. This first, second and third World Country is from the Cold War when the World was divided in the US and allies (1st world) Soviets and allies (2nd World) and neutrals (3rd World).

[@LiftandCoa]

While technically correct, those terms have been reused since the cold war has been... well over. The first use of those terms have become obsolete. Today it means: Rich countries (1st), developing countries (2nd) and poor counties (3rd). Which very much means Switzerland is a first world country. Additionally, even in the cold war Switzerland wasnt seen as a third world country by mist people as they always have been NATO allies in everything but signing the papers for it.

[@QuentinKarentino]

lol

[@shaunnichols1743]

1: That was never the Cold War definition. 2: That is a really stupid definition.

[@la_joya4468]

The terms were created during the creation of the League of Nations. 1st world implies it is a western civilized state. 2nd world means the state essentially needs some western supervision because they are a developing state. 3rd world means the state is not developed or civilized and is in need of aid from the west. It’s all a terms to justify neo colonialism.

[@sehu1291]

@@shaunnichols1743 the definiton is from the cold war

[@copious983]

Take what you can from europe if you have to lie while you do it, well that puts you on a more level playing surface. GG Yussuf

[@ninjalectualx]

Zealand you need to do something about the racists who follow you. Commenting here is getting less fun

[@speedymx2376]

"leave the game before the game leaves you"- Zealands hair

[@McPilch]

Moukoko.... that brings back memories of CM0102!!!

[@ninjalectualx]

"This only happens to Black players" "I don't know if it's racism" 🤔

[@croissantpower]

If Finland or say Estonia had loads of age fraud as well then it wouldn’t be racist. But because it’s happening in Africa and mainly places like Cameroon then it must be a racist attack not just a common occurrence over there….

[@alexfielding7191]

It's not because they are black though, it's because they come from poor countries with no traceable birth certificates and parents from poor countries have been documented to lie about their kids age to get into sport programmes. It's pattern recognition.

[@kelkelly5516]

It's harder for white people to tell black peoples age than white peoples age. Also there have been quite a few cases of African players lying about their age. Not everything to do with race is racist

[@MadVybez]

Didn't his father say this because he cut them off with money??? I heard

[@tletsoalo]

Great video. Thank you for acknowledging the strong racial undertones that come with these issues. It definitely does reek of racism.

[@sgsggsgsshshs8900]

ISNT A PDF FILE IF SOMEONE LYING ABOUT HIS/HER AGE ON THE SCHOOL THEN DATING MINORS WHILE HE/SHE ACTUALLY IS OLDER THAN HE/SHE CLAIMS TO BE

[@glr4764]

It's not racist; Black people actually physically mature and reach puberty more quickly on average than Eurasians generally. Well documented how a black baby can hold their own head up on average weeks before others can. Thus why a lot of people look at a 14 year old black kid who looks like he could be 18 and are confused. While it gives them an advantage in sports especially at younger ages since it helps them dominate minutes and get the experience to breakthrough to a professional level it also means their physical development is usually done a little earlier as well.

[@jord.an6123]

Black isnt really one thing though. Youre talking about hundreds or thousands of different ethnicities, nationalities and family groups and skin colours, looks, and cultures and environments. All of which may, or may not, fit your criteria more or less than other groups. I'm not saying youre being racist. But all 'black' people are about as similar as all 'white' people - heck, lots of white people are more different than other white people and closer to some black people, and vice versa. Skin colour is simply useless for making 99% of generalisations. Moral of the story, using the entirely made-up concept of race (invented in the 17th century. Look it up) to make broad generalisations about people isnt very useful. Same with eurasians tbh unless youre speaking very very generally about a bunch of diverse peoples.

[@kelkelly5516]

Stop saying factually correct things, it's racism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!