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[@tipep]

Couldn't it just be that the Radiant Song is heard when a Titan is about to be born which causes Void Lords to be interested in coming over and consuming/corrupting it?

[@kje912]

Yeah, I really enjoy speculation like this but through the whole video I kept thinking: two people can be singing, have it described as "the exact same song", and still in fact be two different people. If we are using the Occams razor principle, the Radient Song being what a world soul sings as its waking up is fewer assumptions than it being one soul somehow transplanted from one planet to another.

[@TekharthaMondatta]

Never become so speculation-pilled that you dismiss the obvious, folks

[@Egg67538]

No, this is pyromancer

[@Pravaification]

No, this is Thancred

[@yanipheonu]

No this is Patrick!

[@diode_wow]

No, this world is a prison.

[@TheBobberland]

I have been liking the idea that the radiant song isn't necessarily coming from sleeping nascent world souls or something unique to Azeroth. I like it as a resonating energy radiation that is a byproduct of ordering titans. And this current radiant song is from the ordering of Argus and/or reordering of Sargeras. And this would explain entities like Dementious as not something that is naturally approaching, but a titan made byproduct of the ordering, with it being the excised energy and soul that they didn't want. And it would explain why characters such as Thrall, an orc, an alien race from the perspective of Azeroth, is also receiving this radiant song.

[@ketrintintin]

I’m so happy that Pyro is back, and also I’m grateful for Acco as he was able to fill the void. And now, I can watch and listen to 2 great theorycrafters❤

[@Rinley]

I think both are true. I think it is Azeroth and it is her song, but the ethereals also heard it. Because her light is running away from the absence of light - void. She was resting on Karesh and the void came for her. At that point she had to flee, because its citizens could not, would not, or were not able to fight back with the void. She fled and ended up at Azeroth, where Titans interfered. So the Titans are the enemy solely for being too binary of thought and ordered - void wants more void, by eating the light. We want a home. So we stand up to break the chains of the titans, and to protect Azeroth from the void - ultimately staving both off and telling them to get lost and let the young races take over the mantle of responsibility. Kind of like Vorlons and Shadows in Babylon 5.

[@mr.meatsoup5639]

Locus Walker's "sun" as you called it looks more like something a court jester would wear.

[@mcsmokey9884]

A bit of wooky?! I lost it, lmao

[@charlayned]

And as my senior high school English teacher said, "Sometimes the curtains are just blue." We analyze and re-analyze everything to the point that we're just lost to the simplest explanation about things. Exactly the Occam's Razor thing. And it's funny from an author's standpoint how people can read into meanings you didn't put in there and we can look at the discussions and say "Damn, I wish I could have been that profound, clever, and sneaky. It's just simply the color of the curtains, no deeper meaning."

[@Sean11194]

your passion is turning into ego

[@garsto9718]

When you mentioned the fact that you don't go through life constantly thinking about death, I thought "bravo, well said Pyro". That was during you explaining that both Void and Light need to understand that they should not be enemies. They should accept each other, even integrate with one another, to produce the best outcome - a balance in the universe. I think that's probably why, on the architecture belonged to those who came earlier (in some cases, way earlier) than us display moons AND suns. Because they had the knowledge that we Azerothians must truly look at, understand and embrace.

[@arthasmenethil4672]

Yo, it's me. It's ya boy... Azeroth!

[@afishynado6812]

I'm reading Kevin J Anderson's Saga of Seven Suns series at the moment and they have a tech/device that 'summons' a black hole inside a gas giant planet to kickstart a new sun. This whole conversation reminded me of that.

[@spiffy74]

Whoever that person was in your chat at the very last screen...Zilli Gaming or w/e that quoted "Turalyon: I would rather plunge Azeroth into the void that accept you Alleria." Made zero points there b/c that was what Alleria's "nightmares" were wanting her to believe occurred, that was NOT what happened, she even stated in that questline that wasn't how it happened.

[@TigernachVT]

Pyro is correct to put more weight on what us, the player, witnesses. We know the Titan factions purposefully lied to us but we don't know exactly why.

[@TheGreatschmee]

I agree, I have an issue with acco's theories, there is too much assumption and weight put on what we are told outside of game and not as much weight is put into what we witness ingame. He says alot of we know this or we know that, and I don't think these things we "know" that he claims we know are in fact proven true.

[@TheDumplingOrc]

One of my theories is that world souls work just like the ones in zereth mortis' catacombs - each planet is like an engine/core with a soul inside of it and it can be affected to gain certain qualities or powers depending on its own development/the core's purpose, and possible external forces. K'aresh may have had its own world soul, it was affected by void and turned into a void titan (Eonar being a life titan and the others having weird connections makes me think this might be similar). Dimensius may have had some sort of involvement for him to be mentioned this way, but I feel like that planet's world soul was turned to void and didn't summon a void lord per se. The planet being destroyed may be related to how this occurred, and we don't know what happens to planets once their world souls are removed (Argus seemed in pretty bad shape, maybe if they're awakened too early it causes planetary destruction).

[@staneroque517]

Confront the darkness of our past... Exactly like the MoP Remix! The story about facing your inner emotions that cause termoil, cleansing the sha. I see a parallel here, Pyro.

[@lierox90lierox90]

Galakrond had multiple yes at the time of DOTI

[@NotjustGrey]

The part where Acco discusses the N’Zoth line about the song confuses me too. He has referenced it before. I don’t know whether he is implying that the voice line comes back in The War Within.

[@DataCymru1701]

I think K'aresh was a world soul and when the void devoured the world soul, it needed a way to escape, so split itself into multiple peices and when the Ethereals cast that arcane spell to stop the void, K'aresh used this opportunity to use them as vessels to carry it's essence out into the universe! It saved itself while saving the K'aresh' people! Locus walker could either be a large portion of the soul but it could just easily be that Locus walker was an unwitting pawn of the void and became the harbinger of K'aresh

[@hempracer]

I forgot how much void stuff in is MOP.

[@Galdamon]

Voidlords are not the enemy! They are just saving us from .... even bigger evil :D

[@UncrownedKingDante]

I think its pretty good take and speculation, he made a lot of great points here, whispers from BFA that were unanswered till (might be) now. I can see it go either way to be honest.

[@hamednabati]

I think both of you are right cause there are two songs. The one that Alleria hears is the void song ( She said it in the intro) which is not Azeroth. But the one that Anduin and Thrall and the rest hear could be Azeroth but it's a little bit tricky. I mean if Azeroth can talk, why the fuck doesn't she tell us wtf is going on and what we should do? 😆

[@Faevyn_]

51:28 - I don't think they know how to solve it, all they have done is order the world to their liking ignoring the other forces out there. And, as Xal'atath once said... The research into the Void here is commendable, but ultimately futile. How could you possibly understand what the titans did not? (in Netherlight Temple at the Sanctuary of the Void)

[@superfineelf]

Azeroth is being silenced by Xal'atath and it's her that's speaking to everyone to get them to go there. She's not speaking to Magni because he would be able to discern that it's not Azeroth. This is also why Alleria is hearing something different, because of her connection to the Void.

[@jerzyarbuz2070]

Could we consider Azeroth singing to people on K'Aresh as a warning, because a relative world soul is in danger? So two beings but same song

[@MatPandaZ]

Azeroth is a void lord. Thats why Saggy wanted to kill her, the other titans wanted to put her to sleep and siphon power off her. The old gods were manifestations of her trying to defend herself. We killed the old gods and she is now powerless.

[@goodgirl9674]

Locus-walker tells us what is happening. "The radiant visions you spoke of" his people saw radiant visions. They did not see the kind of visions Alleria does. A void lord was summoned by a siren song. Alleria has consumed the heart of a void lord, she is herself a being of the void and thus cannot touch Turalyon, Blizzard even make a deal about this fact in the cut scenes. They hammer in her connection to the void over and over again when talking to Khadgar. They want you to remember that at every turn, Alleria is experiencing Azeroth the way that void beings do. Alleria sees "no radiance or song, just shadows taunting" her. Azeroth is calling out to the universe. We know world souls can scream into the universe and those screams can range across vast distances. Argus showed Alleria a vision of him screaming into the cosmos, Azeroth answered. The song is a siren song, it is designed to entice the listener. The song is a plea for help from a world soul stuck in a stasis, with just enough freedom to beckon anyone that will listen. Alleria doesn't have the mind of a void being but she has the soul/essence of one. She sees the visions a void lord would see but interprets them differently. Of what we know of the void, a song of shadow, a taunting song, would be as enticing as a beacon of light is to a draenei paladin.

[@Trokthar]

I still think Azeroth is a void lord. That or because she is a first one, she is also "their" creator/mother and therefore can spawn from her or be of her and have inherrent alignment.

[@AtlassGaming]

Chewbacca is the 5th old god

[@tylermcnally8232]

He has no home, his home is where is his spirit goes.

[@123Handbuch]

Isn't brackenhide hallows (or whatever it's called) dungeon about gnolls being infected by decay magic?

[@NotjustGrey]

Can somebody please theory craft on the potential for Azshara and Illidan to be wild cards on both the side of Void and Order respectively? Both born with golden eyes. I doubt their stories have ever stopped being linked in some manner.

[@Rivux_D_Luffy28]

What if every cosmological force are parts of Azeroth? the 1st titan Split into 6, given birth to other pantheons and this is why every cosmological force seems to want to have a hand in Azeroth, 5 torches will light our path... there is 5 other forces outside where Azeroth sits within the order spectrum....

[@eaglewing22]

Harmony. Balance. The entire point of pandaria was finding a balance. I enjoyed that expansion more than any other, so bringing that theme back is a win for me

[@boballab]

My opinion is that Acco made a mistake based on the cutscene where Locus Walker talks about the vision. First Locus Walker uses the term "the very same vision", he does not say it is the exact same song. In my opinion what Locus Walker is talking about is that as things played out on his planet they also got visions and songs just like is happening on Azeroth, not that it was the exact same song, with the exact same voice because Locus can't hear or see the visions from Azeroth. He says clearly that he is going by what Alleria tells him, and even Alleria doesn't hear the Radiant Song. So what Locus Walker is working with is 2nd hand information and can't make a statement that things are exactly the same.

[@dhorin]

How crazy do you have to be to thank Steve Danuser for something

[@MrShillex]

Pyro, tho i agree with most of what u say, u forget one thing. Shadowlands, and the burning of Tedrassil was different. Why? Because it was clear that they re-write the shadowlands expansion during its course. The main idea behind the burning could be totally different than that Sylvanas just got crazy. Now we are talking about a clear path of 3 expansions. They already know what will happen

[@AbolishtheNFA]

You do realize this is a video game and regardless of what we think they are going to design the game the same right? What we think has no effect on anything that will play out....so there is no "threat" from thinking of alternative plotlines.

[@FenrirStrange]

Alleria = Lilith, Turalyon = Inarius, Arator = Rathma.

[@somemorontookmyname]

Didnt locus walker say "not unlike" which means similar and not EXACTLY the same? he's twisting the words

[@cjmahar7595]

Itzza me, Mario!

[@BlakSheep617]

im here for a pyro an acco podcast golden :)

[@PercNP]

25:17 lol

[@dellboi1984]

a speculation youtuber bringing up the razor theory lol, breaks every video xD

[@Wzded]

This is true, Pyro got upset when a twitch viewer did the same to him

[@DodoLacerda530]

I hate this Pyro guy, Never a youtube made me w8 every day for the videos. hahaha Great content.

[@sepehrsalehi-kx4xb]

Still😂

[@ScarlettSpitfyre]

I said that on a video of his and on one of your videos too that I believed that it doesn't make sense for Dimensius to consume K'aresh, if the planet had a Titan, because isn't one of the Void things they want to do, to corrupt a worldsoul?? In the same comment, I said that first I believed that the Locus Walker was The Harbinger of K'aresh and now feels bad for it, then second I believed that he was Nexus-King Salhadaar and because he was transformed into a Void creature like some of his Ethereum, he didn't died in the Void and returned to life and now what I believe is that Locus Walker could be the actual Worldsoul Titan of K'aresh, becoming corrupted by the Void, but not his will and he is not with the forces of the Void and he took the appearance of the dominant intelligent race of K'aresh, so this is why he looks like an Ethereal... So Accolonn saying that nobody is talking about Dimensius consuming K'aresh not making sense, is not quite true. Maybe it didn't have been a big theory from TWW, but definitely people talked about it. It's not my theory, I've seen it online...

[@Kross415]

The Radiant song is Azeroth but the Void song is also Azeroth, I think she's speaking to ALL of their children but their children are hearing different things depending on their ''cosmic alignment'' IMO. Galakrond energy was IIRC green Maldraxxus energy, and that is EXCLUSIVE to Maldraxxus, I dont think we've ever seen that color and texture anywhere else in WoW. And it seems pretty clear to me that Naaru are void beings infused with light (or lightforged if you will) and that's why their return to void is unavoidable once they exhaust that light energy. As a sidenote maybe Xal sees Alleria now as a lost sister now and she just want her by her side by personal choice and not because she ''needs'' her to further her agenda and that also might be related to Elune and the beef Xal seems to have with her (Upstart Godess seems kinda personal)

[@electricmayhem8147]

the woooooons, champion!!!! yeah almost everyone should know by now about the world soul.

[@teej143]

i heard steve danuser and i had to stop the video and throw up

[@chedder9999]

We are confusing in game story with 4th wall discussions.

[@sepehrsalehi-kx4xb]

I think acclone deep speculations cause story teller of wow create stupid story change for dreadlords in shadowlands beacuse he make speculation then everyone copy his far from reality ideas beacuse they need more content and then it effect wow story team to go to bad story telling directions , people should learn acclone just so disconnected from reality

[@Desciple860]

I've said for years now the old gods seem to be more of decay and that the drust showed us a link between them. It was just poorly executed and the cut content from shadowlands was absolutely the drust, this is why so many fixated on the old gods being from the void. No the old gods are old gods because they was always here. Now I DO think they work with xal and the void. But come on.... the old gods got flung through the cosmos like space monkey poop yet so many clustered at the same spot? 😂😂😂 if we should be linking anything to void it's devourers. Look at their design and the portals. I think void is from the in-between. The 7th on the outside. As fa rim had said. Alot of what we are seeing lines up with this🎉

[@LilyMrrgglton]

starting to think this is kinda like Celestials in Marvel tbh, to birth a world soul, the planets will eventually be destroyed for it, and if anything interrupts that process before the world soul is ready, the world soul has to be changed, or moved. edit: referring to Celestial "eggs", showcased in "the eternals"

[@jamesnicolson866]

I wish Pyro was just 10% less full of himself.......

[@jamesprater4754]

You're talking about occams razor and making too many assumptions, but I just watched the video of you comparing Magni's color being slightly blue to meaning that he must be imperfect and corrupted because diamonds in real life that are colored have "imperfections". Thats a huge reach, its way more likely that making a completely clear character is more difficult to animate. Most speculation is making assumptions. You do it all of the time, but when others do it you try to coach them on how to do lore speculation. Sometimes you link things together that are just coincidental and theres no way that blizzard (the company that has been meme'd on forever for storylines not making sense, or "ret-conning") had any idea about any of this current lore more than 5 years ago, most likely making shit up on the fly. I love the videos man, but sometimes you give blizzard too much credit lol. All you think about is the lore, and you're probably the best at it. And it still can take you months to form a working theory, but you think the writers are just pumping this huge, big brain lore out. I'm not even entirely convinced they don't watch these videos that y'all make and steal ideas on how to make it all work lol

[@YoungsterJoey151]

The devs had previously stated that any time something is a certain color in game, it’s not by mistake. The colors do actually have lore significance. I don’t think he was saying the magni stuff as a matter of fact, just toying with the idea. Him disagreeing with Acc isn’t him saying he knows better, after all this all is JUST speculation. Discourse is healthy for the lore community.

[@burtonkevin32]

Why two different titans act similar? Why would two separate cuts of dwarfs have similarities in culture? Why do two different babies choose both cry but don’t know each other. The song being g the same between the same species

[@Boredonthejob]

I love this channel. My gameplay is more enjoyable because I watch Pyro.