"It's Gonna Pan Out Badly For Them": Support For Israel In Total Collapse | Owen Jones | TMR

Live-streamed on April 26, 2024
Emma speaks with political commentator Owen Jones to round up the week in news.
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Owen Jones then joins, as he and Emma reflect on the last seven months of constant scenes of devastation and genocide coming out of Gaza, and the mainstream media’s heart-wrenching insistence on downplaying the horror, denying the deaths, and running cover for Israel’s project of ethnic cleansing under the guise of victimhood. Expanding on this, Jones and Emma explore how the severe repression and propaganda from mainstream Western political institutions is seeing an en-masse public awakening to the genocide of Gaza, and the Western elites’ violent commitment to controlling the discourse, with supposed “liberal democracies” from the US to the EU and UK defaming anti-zionist Jews and anti-semites and uplifting actual racists and Jew-haters as legitimate actors. After parsing through the absurdity of the media’s insistence on ignoring the obvious rhetoric and policy that has shaped Israel’s approach to this entire war, Owen steps back to look to the role of the UK in particular, with the Labor Party’s step back from the coalition of Jeremy Corbin at the end of the last decade, and committing itself fully to Israel’s agenda of dehumanization and hasbara. Wrapping up, Jones walks Emma through the performative cruelty of the UK’s Tory government’s ongoing illegal and immoral deportation scheme for asylum seekers.
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[@wyvern723]

I'm so tired of hearing about the feelings of people who condone cruelty, oppression and genocide.

[@aliamjon2550]

Who condones oppression and genocide exactly ?

[@michelbergeron3354]

​@@aliamjon2550Israel supporters

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

@@aliamjon2550really

[@jaialaiwarrior]

​@@michelbergeron3354prove it

[@brandonavery133]

​@@aliamjon2550The tiny hat crowd?

[@lmac9718]

Solidarity from a 65yr old queer, anti-zionist Jew in Australia (land never ceded) I have always, will always stand with the Palestinian people ✊🇵🇸🗝 I salute also this young generation of moral and militant activists fighting imperialism & fascism! Shame on all who are silent, thereby complicit!

[@christinavarvakis5523]

🖤

[@pokergeniusordonkey6517]

Do you have evidence of billions of people being complicit? Complicit in what? Will you scream baby killer at them? What do want to happen when you scream genocide supporter at people? When you say Zionism, who are you talking about? Are you talking about people's thoughts that you are imagining that they are thinking? Anti-Zionism seems to be powered by false accusations, against millions of people, for random reasons made up on the spot by the mob. I'm just telling you how I see it. Is there a clear definition of Zionism? No, there isn't. Make no mistake, you yourself have probably had Zionist thoughts according to one of your own so called allies.

[@nathalieburli4383]

❤❤❤❤

[@nathanara8051]

Bless you and your family, love from Denmark❤️

[@Ghalia13]

Thank you for standing up for humanity

[@user-ravenxv]

Let's clear this up for everyone: -speaking out against corruption is not antisemitism. -speaking out against occupation is not antisemitism. -speaking out against violence committed by one nation against the other is not antisemitism. -being held accountable for war crimes is not antisemitism. Literally NOTHING about any of that had anything remotely close to do with antisemitism.

[@xin215]

Stop giving power to their "arguments" these are the same people that would die on the hill to prove that a black man being killed by the police is never anti-black racism. They're not arguing sincerely and they dont truly believe that speaking out against Israel is anti-semitism. It's their way to shut down discourse and gain points. When you dehumanize someone (i.e calling the people of Gaza savages) and you call them a bigot, you discredit everything they have to say and win points no matter how right they may be.

[@AnArChRiStxseditio]

One side is the oppressor, one side is oppressed. Everything else is propaganda

[@road2morality]

Who cares if it is

[@joankelly5625]

Under the current circumstances the word anti-semitism is invalid. It's not a war of religions since there are Christians, Muslims and (real) Jews involved.

[@user-ravenxv]

@@road2morality well yeah, but accountability obviously isn't to be weaponized for racism. HOWEVER, if the shoe fits....

[@venetianlucifer]

Owen Jones: " We understand the dynamics of Western states, the Western media, I still can't get over the shock...every day...the scale of the horror, the level of complicity, the level of deceit, the level of moral disgrace." Exactly what I'm going through. It's getting increasingly difficult to process.

[@Leszek.Rzepecki]

Agreed. I am horrified I live in the UK, with a government and main opposition party that support genocide when it's committed by states we are allied to.

[@user-kd3ic6do5n]

😂😂😂Owen Jones, universally loathed in the UK... great person to quote. Do yourself a favour, love, don't embarrass yourself by quoting that POS.

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

Mind Begs the Question: - If USA/West Leadership - Arm,Bankroll a State whose policies are - Starvation,Death Camps,Gas Chambers/White Phosphorus,Pogroms,Ethnic Cleansing,etc - As complicit as Nazis for Holocaust,no?

[@blazayblazay8888]

EXACTLY WHAT I CAME TO SAY.

[@catlyn777]

I’m in shock. I can’t understand.

[@The_Riddler21]

MASSIVE respect to these students and teachers fighting for justice and freedom of Palestine

[@The_Riddler21]

@@meltuchman3280 Ive learned in life to never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience !

[@jackdepalma]

Israel tried to destroy itself killing off ​@@meltuchman3280Palestinian freedom fighters

[@zephaniahblack1725]

Total ignorant. They don't know what they are protesting about. This Owen is the same. It is awfull to listen to him. He doesn't know what he is talking about. He has no idea. Useful idiot.

[@benjaminhenderson5025]

​@@meltuchman3280 lol, as if israel existed before great brittain invented it.

[@rania-dk9kw]

@meltuchman3280 Palestine is a county where your Jew European fellows came 75 years ago escaping holocaust!!!! Not it!!! And they never taught you about it !!!! So it is a time to educate your self!!!! The county called Israel was created on Palestinian land lawlessly who illegally took the Palestinian land to its self claiming that this land is just for people who follow Judaism. Those people who created that country are called Zionist, surprisingly had nothing to do with Judaism and that religion, but called them selfs Jews !!!!!

[@b62boom1]

Cats don't have owners, they have staff.

[@user-qf1zg4zz8j]

Anyone who has a cat knows that is the truth.

[@chrisko6439]

I'm told frequently how bad of a servant I am.

[@lily-roseaziz130]

😂

[@SeattleScotty]

I'm glad they left the cat discussion in the beginning lol .

[@beautifulrose8619]

lol

[@claudermiller]

I'm 66. I remember Kent State. I remember My Lai. I know the depths thing country can sink to, but this has been even for me an eye-opening experience. This is the first time in my lifetime I've seen the mask come off. Lieutenant Cally was prosecuted. National guardsmen were prosecuted. Lynndie England was prosecuted. All of them were basically for show, but at least there was an attempt to say this is wrong. Gaza is off the charts. Not only won't they condemn it, they're literally bending over backward to justify it.

[@larafields3106]

Right there with you.

[@jayneyaghmour7320]

It is heartbreaking to witness.

[@paxwallace8324]

The dangerous heavy lifting was completed for the anti war movement in the late 60s by waking up the press and the conscience of American people in the early 60s by the civil rights movement at great risk to themselves.

[@christophergreen6595]

That's been part of what really bothers me... the mask is off, like it was after Iraq but even moreso... "we're history's actors, your role is to watch and document." They can't stop because stopping would be admitting guilt, so they will keep going until something stops them, politically organized or otherwise.

[@valeriewedel2775]

❤ I feel you. We have to keep going.I get overwhelmed, but then I write more letters and make More Calls.

[@christinaakbari6241]

Just saying, it is incredible to me how many of my comments are being removed from KZbin. I am not saying anything inappropriate, just stating my support for Palestinian people. Amazing.

[@junebrilly5302]

This is happened to me countless times I am Pro Palestinian. Tho, so far I'm having a good day! Stay Strong for Humanity❤

[@chrishakala528]

Same. Even basic facts get removed

[@aminamangera4871]

Agree! Almost one in two of my legal, polite and factually correct comments are shadow banned by you tube.

[@nosuchthing8]

Same here. And getting warnings.

[@dudedude494]

Yeah same, it's about 2/3rd of my comments. It's funny because I'll get notifications that someone has responded to my comment but then the comment will be missing when I go to check

[@MalcolmMacPhail-mt1gt]

“We are witnessing the beginning of the end of the zionist project” - Ilan Pappe

[@user-qf1zg4zz8j]

🙏

[@user-dd2ew4fr8s]

Mr Pappe is always right. I believe him!

[@user-kd3ic6do5n]

Clown.... always right? Well even a stopped clock is right twice a day. 😂😂😂

[@Theworldisfullofmonsters]

@@user-kd3ic6do5nyeah, he is always right zio hasbara troll.

[@ealter95]

Ilan Pappe says a lot of things. A lot of it is wishful thinking. The G7 supports Israel. End of story.

[@pida9669]

It isn't the first time Israel deliberately tries to starve Gaza. Israel severely restricted food entering Gaza back in 2006 after Hamas won the election. Dov Weissglass, the Israeli prime minister advisor, said at the time, "It's like an appointment with a dietician. The Palestinians will get a lot thinner, but won't die." Sickening. Even back then, the IDF had destroyed infrastructure including homes, schools, factories, greenhouses, power plants, and mosques. MP Alistair Carmichael visited the strip and described it as a "flattened moonscape," BACK IN 2007.

[@robertbarth5816]

Hamas is a problem, no?

[@KPITGangsta]

@@robertbarth5816…especially, when they’re funded by Israel.

[@SY-vj8tb]

​​​@@robertbarth5816 israel is the bigger problem. It's an fascist, extremist colonial terror state which is trying to erase the indigenous people of that land. Hamas wouldn't have been created if the isrseli state and people wouldn't have been terrorizing the Palestinians in such an extreme way and if they would cooperate more with the Palestinian people. But if they did that, they wouldn't have any excuse to steal more land. Like the peaceful protest march of return, where Palestinians protestet for the right of return aka freedom, as they are not allowed to leave gaza, and the end of the siege, for better living circumstances. They protestet for over a year every week. 9000 Palestinians were shot by the idf. Imagine if any police here would have shot at protestors. What an outrage that would cause. So why not there where people are literally just protesting for basic human rights?

[@johnrichmond8978]

@@robertbarth5816 Pointless comments are a problem, no?

[@robertbarth5816]

@@johnrichmond8978 if you can't answer them, yes

[@hughquigley5337]

When Owen said “They will never forgive us for being correct” that hit me hard

[@NetanyahuWarCriminal]

I’ve never really had any algorithm exposure to leftist KZbin channels across the ocean. But right on Oct 7 I started seeing videos pop up for Owen Jones and Novara Media. And I was really glad too because both were an absolute wrecking ball against state propaganda and outrageously biased western media. I was happy to add them to my regular rotation. 🇵🇸

[@brennab2577]

I really just had no concept how much the news left out. I watched the news and read articles everyday but TT showed me there was a gap in the narrative and now I can’t go back. I can’t trust a source that leaves these huge things out

[@timg5011]

What's TT, please?

[@NetanyahuWarCriminal]

@@brennab2577 Exactky how I felt. I began my pivot away from the party establishment and CNN and MSNBC the final night of the 2016 DNC convention. I realized this was all bullshit. All of it.

[@joankelly5625]

Our news is always a couple of days late and by then so much has changed. They can't even get the weather straight.

[@garyluciani1082]

​@@brennab2577yea I don't know what TT stands for.

[@Lordram120]

Thanks for bringing Owen. He is a good man with an unapologetic moral compass. He stands for human rights.

[@junebrilly5302]

BRAVO!❤

[@Egos_Altar]

😂l❤ 1❤​@@junebrilly5302

[@Egos_Altar]

Ooh I added an accidental post...I like it. 😊

[@ulfahayati867]

Massive respect to the students and teachers who are fighting for justice and freedom of Palestine.

[@ih8myfriends]

We’re they calling Jeremy Corbin antisemitic because he criticized Israel?

[@hedonaut]

Yes.

[@riversguy92]

Almost daily. Our political/media class suck and are fully culpable

[@TheKareem87]

Yup. The whole "antisemitism" scandal surrounding Corbyn and Labour at the time was entirely fabricated because he's not pro-Israel.

[@keirfarnum6811]

Yup. That was how they forced him out.

[@Nik1718]

Yes, and a report was released years later which showed it was exaggerated, fabricated, and over reported. Everyone ignored the report. It's a shame that vindicating his criticism of Israel is costing so many lives.

[@JosephP8]

owens been an absolute hero covering this

[@obisan666]

He's a gem and the fact he is a cat person just tops it off.

[@PeterStone-ch9dw]

He is an anti hero, a left wing agitator and low grade journalist.

[@Gee-xb7rt]

When people find Owen a threat it speaks more of that person's behavior. I have been watching with some intent, you can see evil in people, it looks like Zeds and their enablers.

[@adriftinaboat3452]

Here in the U.K. Owen is our National Treasure

[@PauloAdriano-zo2ng]

Keep him Safe. He's precious, just like his Siamese Kitty. 😊😻

[@TequilaToothpick]

​@@PauloAdriano-zo2ng*Burmese.

[@PauloAdriano-zo2ng]

@@TequilaToothpick Thanks. 👍🏼I love kitties. 😻

[@junebrilly5302]

I love kitties too! Best friends and closest companions throughout my life❤

[@MMMM-bv4ou]

...and Rishi Sunak is your National Embarrassment!

[@mariatod]

The only positive thing since this genocide started is that I found truly inspiring people and independent journalists to follow from now on! ❤

[@user-qf1zg4zz8j]

And maybe that so many people have been educated and understand the context.

[@pachamamarecords]

Electronic intifada, George Galloway, Richard Medhurst, redacted, Owen Jones, Novara media, the grayzone, useful idiots, Katie halper to name a few ,,,,,

[@SK-ei4cm]

The same George Galloway that says children shouldn’t be taught that gay people are normal ?

[@andreaandrea6716]

You're a little late to the party... it began during the pandemic, but WELCOME!

[@user-qf1zg4zz8j]

@@SK-ei4cm The same George Galloway that says that a more than plausible genocide should not be perpetrated on a people to stop them getting self determination and having their resources stolen.

[@TheHouseofcoolstuff]

I love Owen. As a Brit and a Londoner who lives in States I’m super proud of his advocacy and being a voice for the voiceless. I listen to his podcast everyday to keep me informed on all that’s happening back home and in Palestine! Keep up the good work Owen.

[@chrisbfreelance]

You are proud that he advocates for the sterilisation of children?

[@jeffbo8748]

Owen Jones is always a win. Love it when my favourite progressive content creators team up.

[@juliewake4585]

Me too. I’ve just made the same remark.

[@TheCatLady65]

Hardly progressive 😞 They keep repeating right-wing propaganda as if it was true. How does that make them progressive? But then you white Westerners are so far to the right you have no clue what is actually progressive! So glad I live a democracy and not the fascist West!

[@OxidusMagicus]

Owen Jones is a national treasure as far as i am concerned

[@SabracadabrO]

Courtesy of AljazeeRT,shillin hard 4 Jihadi Terrorism 🙉🙈🙊Baaaaa

[@ehabl8816]

@@SabracadabrO stop exposing how dumb you are

[@mattreynolds612]

I didn't like Owen at first. But he backed everything he says with documented proof. He's so important. He looks with a critical yet open mind at the tragedy unfolding in Israel. Owen's views represent a great many of us in Gen X. Thank you Owen! 🙏

[@tracysauvage1351]

I like him too... I'm generation A... as in I've been around since Adam was a youngster.

[@missburn]

What was your issue with him?

[@mattreynolds612]

@@missburn He just annoyed me. Always bouncing his head around, a bit hyperbolic at times, and his young age probably unfairly biased me to some degree. But you dig folks for their faults, and his are all superficial. Young Dude has won me over. I've also come to appreciate the Secular Talk guy. Novara Media, Democracy Now, and of course the launch of Zeteo.

[@chrisbfreelance]

Where is the proof to support his radical trans beliefs? You don't think it's sinister that as a gay man he wants to trans the gay away?

[@user-wf7pe3zb8q]

He might need a bodyguard...

[@ripztubig4457]

These are my two favorite political commentators on Gaza. You two have done so much for the welfare of Palestinians and I can't thank you enough.

[@user-qf1zg4zz8j]

and Novara Media.

[@tracysauvage1351]

Richard Medhurst is great too. Very informed.

[@frankpalancio8471]

You mean Emma the ham-as sympathizer?

[@ripztubig4457]

@@frankpalancio8471 laughable response.

[@frankpalancio8471]

@ripztubig4457 she is laughable I agree. I lost all respect for her when she tried to excuse the Oct 7 attacks.

[@asdusty4372]

Sorry guys, Australia has been sending refugees to third countries for decades. When it comes to cruelty, us Australians are trend setters.

[@Lagrangeify]

Yeah as they were talking about Rwanda I was thinking about that too. But then this Conservative government are inevitably cruel and inhumane and have a long established record for othering.

[@kirstenstewart5758]

Yep, and our extreme cruelty and inhumanity has been used as a blueprint in UK, down to Rishi Sunak coveting the great ‘I stopped the boats’ mantle/trophy. This all was only made possible by a concerted, relentless barrage of messaging from media and politicians here, othering those seeking asylum and whipping up fear and hatred among the population. Atrocities may be interchangeable, but the tactics to make these more palatable remain the same, down to mocking and demonising those speaking against the narrative.

[@ccan2768]

I think they stole the Liberal parties mantra "stop the boats" Then they imprisoned people on remote islands for years . Disgraceful.

[@Nine-Signs]

How sadly aware I am of that, many policies in the UK post 2010 were lifted from Australia / Ruperts mates. The abhorrent Universal Credit welfare system, that's modeled on Australian conservative policy, thousands died as a result. Many of the privatised companies brought in to the department for work and pensions post 2013 in order to force people back to work were Australian companies. There are a lot of unsavoury, dirty, and blood soaked links between your nation and mine friend. Funny when I think about things today, I mean, General Pinochet tortured 40,000 people and killed circa 3500 of his own people and the world went nuts for decades about it resulting in him having an international arrest warrant and trial set for him but he died. Meanwhile the UK Tory government here has tortured via needless poverty and killed at least 350,000 of its own people mostly through intentional austerity and the rest through covid incompetence due to putting capitalism before science and society at every turn, and no one says boo to a goose. Be well.

[@rehanawebster4439]

Yup. Png and Nauru. There for decades

[@Hesham_MK]

I believe that Jewish Americans are the ones that will bring about the liberation of Palestine. All respect 🫡

[@user-qf1zg4zz8j]

👍🙏

[@amandaoconnor2854]

I believe that Jewish Americans will help to liberate Palestine. Palestinians have been resisting for 75 years and will liberate themselves, with the support of moral people everywhere. The framing of someone else liberating the Palestinians and Palestine erases their history and decentres their own sacrifices, injuries, deaths, political acumen, etc. I hope you understand what I mean ❤

[@jessjess23brooks89]

It's a scary thing to do for our Jewish Americans. Speaking out can destroy their livelihoods, be ostracized by their community. I salute their bravery. I hope we get to hear more. There are only so many Sam Seders, Norman Finkelsteins and Bernie Sanders.

[@user-kd3ic6do5n]

In your sick mind! Those in Hollywood maybe, but they're sellouts to Mamon just like all hypocritical leftists.

[@user-kd3ic6do5n]

​@@jessjess23brooks89 Yes, the more the merrier! Then we'll know who these self-hating traitors are.

[@Arizalia]

The protests going on in the United States have changed a lot of perspectives in the Arab world, by the way, where people thought being jewish automatically means a supporter of zionism. This viewpoint has been completely shattered by the brave jews who are leading the role of these protests, and the awakening of many arabs about the clear separation of zionism and Judaism is probably equal to how the west started to seperate muslims from radical islamists, especially post 9/11 These protests are having an international impact and I think that enough is something these students should feel very proud of

[@user-qf1zg4zz8j]

Thoughtful comment.

[@chickensoup9869]

Stop generalizing the Arabs. Pro-Palestine Arab supporters are well aware of the works contributed by BTselem, Breaking The Silence, Adalah, Yesh Din, Raz Segal, Norman Finkelstein, Avi Shlaim, Gabor Maté, Aaron Maté etc in support of Palestine. Some Arabs are z ionists. This "all Arabs think the same" thing is just dehumanizing them.

[@rachaelik]

Yes. This new understanding gladdens me. I grew up around Zionists and was once one myself. The injustice and bigotry that are the very lifeblood of Zionism are abhorrent to many, many Jews.

[@valeriewedel2775]

❤thank you for sharing this. As an American ,!Palestine woke me up to the obscene lies and propaganda that my people have been fed by the Zionist money brokers and our government. It is horrific. Many of us are fighting to change our government.

[@keirfarnum6811]

That’s wonderful to hear; it’s good to hear that from the Muslim world. The more we all realize these conflicts aren’t about religion, no matter how much the media and governments try to frame it that way, and that they’re really about colonialism and land rights and are political conflicts, the more we can join together to oppose the real problems in the world. More people in western countries are learning about the history of the Middle East and how the western powers screwed over the people of the Middle East by creating artificial nations without regard for ethnic boundaries and imposed the creation of an ethnonationalist, colonialist state within their midst without consultation and without regard for the indigenous people. The Balfour Declaration should be more widely understood to be the cause of the conflicts in the Middle East, and that it was the western powers that created the conflicts (Lawrence of Arabia should be required reading/watching since it shows how Britain screwed over the Arabs). The more that people in that part of the world recognize that the vast majority people support human rights for everyone and that not all Jxws oppose them and support Is-rxel, the more we can all come together to oppose the powers that be that manipulate us all into hating each other for maintaining their power base and which create these conflicts for their own ends. As US Marine General Smedley Butler wrote, “War is a Racket” (that was the title of his book from the 1930s that he wrote after he realized his entire military career was in the service of corporations).

[@DiarmuidOhibicin]

I’m 71, and it is heartening and inspiring to witness what is occurring in the world today. My heartfelt thanks to you guys and all the young students around the world for bringing the truth to the world. ❤️

[@jahelation8658]

❤

[@marissamcl]

I agree. I’m 64 and I’ve supported Palestine for decades. I thought I was an outcast. These protesters warm my heart.

[@jahelation8658]

@@marissamcl ♥️

[@garyluciani1082]

I'm a boomer and I feel the same. These pro palestine youths deserve respect and applause.

[@jahelation8658]

@@garyluciani1082 ♥

[@taliasya2273]

Question: if Palestinians don’t ‘really’ have a country/state, because the Jews lived there 3000+ years ago, does that mean all countries have to be returned to the 3000+ years ago inhabitants, or is it just Jewish Israelis ?

[@valeriewedel2775]

❤ I want the lands of my Gaelic and Germanic ancestors back! Wait a minute... it was the English who slaughtered my Gaelic ancestors, crushed our hands and broke our harps... I see a trend...

[@garyluciani1082]

Keep in mind a vast number of Israelis are light skinned Europeans and Americans. How many blacks have you seen living in Israel?

[@Viv1964-bs5fq]

@@garyluciani1082Approximately 36,000

[@mikhaelrosenbeg]

@@garyluciani1082 Over half of Israeli Jews are of Muslim countries in Asia and Africa Not "light skinned at all). These Jews really lived under apartheid and murderous persecution (if you know what Ahl'el Dima أهل الذمة is) and most of them arrived in Israel as destitute refugees after they were forbidden to hold their possessions with them (Iraqi jews for example). Also in Israel lives like 180,000 black Jews who fled to Iarael as refugees from Ethiopia. Just facts ! ...if facts are of interest to you and not just the completely absurd narrative of those who call themselves "Palestinians" who are mostly immigrants from Arab countries who unlike the Jews, have no roots in the Land of Israel (with the exception of the Palestinian nucleus which originates from Jews who converted to Islam when the Arab occupation colonized our land). Facts!

[@mikhaelrosenbeg]

@@Viv1964-bs5fq תיקון: , 180אלף אתיופים ועוד כ5000 "כושים עבריים" וזה רק אזרחים.

[@smokedbeefandcheese4144]

people will not forget the extreme character valor and sacrifice of Jews who stood for human rights

[@thomaswikstrand8397]

​@@jasmine70000he's right. Jews calling out Israel are taking lots and lots of abuse and are on the right side of history. Not to mention, learned something FROM history.

[@Kan09138]

Yes and we will never forget them.

[@jeanhartely]

@@jasmine70000 What's so funny about that? It's true.

[@IsaacSperrow]

​@@jeanhartelyAnd as Owen stated, these protesters will remember how their own government treated them for protesting against genocide for the rest of their life and it will influence their future actions. Can't just pretend that this event didn't happened.

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

@@jasmine70000ew? tf

[@Simon-sr4uc]

THIS GENERATION WILL NOT BE TAKEN FOR FOOL..THE STATUS QUO IS UNDER THREAT...

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

Mind Begs the Question: - If a Politicians/Govts narrative - Must not be Challenged - Must conform to Unquestionably - Democracy or Fascism?

[@erikalulea3608]

Has not to do with Generation , its about who has a common sense and Humanity. Are people of younger generation that defend Israel.

[@MazinManCW]

I was arrested at my university for being at an encampment in protest. I have to say I have never felt more energized for a cause and I have never seen left-wing organization that is so effective in my life. The revolutionary tendency is alive and well!

[@syence_nird]

Jews being labeled as anti-semites is just as absurd as Arabs being labled as such. And as much as antisematism may be on the rise, it is no where near the level of Islamaphobia so this double standard should be called out.

[@CrispinSlitt]

Strangely, the Palestinians are also a Semitic people, thus, Israel murdering them is also Antisemitism. Whooosh!

[@syence_nird]

@@_TheLONEwolf 🤣🤡

[@LisaD-yy4gq]

There is. And anyone with eyes can see it. ​@@_TheLONEwolf

[@Thefloristgang4pf]

@@_TheLONEwolfThere are no LONE wolfs.

[@chickensoup9869]

Islamophobia is just good ol' anti-semitism. Pretty sure Arab Christians are on the receiving end of Islamophobia while fareastern asian muslims don't.

[@resurrectedone7463]

Netanyahu In 2001: 'America Is A Thing You Can Move Very Easily'

[@user-pc3we6gf6j]

So says the attack dog about his master...

[@SeanPageDrummer]

Netanyahu is an evil you know what.

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

Mind Begs the Question: - Pledging unconditional support - To a State whose policies are - Starvation,Death Camps,Pogroms,Gas Chambers/White Phosphorus,Ethnic Cleansing,etc - Democratic or Nazi?

[@soulsunderseige4946]

He has a lot of quotes bragging about America being wrapped around his finger and him shitting on us.

[@ashkebora7262]

@@user-pc3we6gf6j The vast majority of the US does not want the genocide to continue, yet Israel does. The genocide continues, so who is actually pulling on who's leash? I don't mean to imply the US is under total control, but we've ALL seen those dog owners who are lead around by their dog instead of the other way around... Israel needs to be disciplined, not coddled.

[@willrelf1377]

Owen is one of the few reputable political commentators we have left in the UK. We have a worse media than even the US.

[@ellyharris4345]

try Kamorants, there are few journalists with any integrity but Owen and Kamo have factual non biased truths, and I feel their pain. fuuuk mainstream propagander in this day and age and the sad lazy people who choose to blindly follow and believe their bull

[@chrisbfreelance]

He isn't reputable.

[@willrelf1377]

@@chrisbfreelance not to right-wing clowns who have ingested the toxic filth aimed at him for the last fifteen years.

[@noorieiversen]

Double down news is also top notch. ❤

[@eoinc9511]

“Now that you’ve seen it, you can choose to look the other way. But you can never again say you didn’t know”

[@annmarieohara7750]

Keep protesting young warriors Ireland stand with you we can make a change👍🇮🇪❤️🙏

[@daraghokane4236]

Kid starver will insist he never supported Israel. I see price Morgan doing the same

[@MrTooEarnestOnline]

Kid starver is so good! Being from America I’m missing out on all the good nicknames

[@antoniosarmientoluna6497]

​@@MrTooEarnestOnlinePrice Morgan is pretty snarky as well

[@daraghokane4236]

@@antoniosarmientoluna6497 that was actually a mistake from me

[@B_Bodziak]

But, piers needs to know if you condemn Hamas

[@justalurker5412]

@@daraghokane4236happy little mistake 👨‍🎨

[@shahaalam2577]

I'm glad Emma and Owen both made the point of how liberalism switches to fascism. It's remarkable to see that switchover take place. I'd posit that those so-called "liberals", were always of a fascist mindset, and maybe didn't even know it themselves. it's not that difficult when you're surrounded by opinions you agree with, people you like, in a country that's safe, and enjoying the benefits of a stable economy and government. These people are actually chauvenists and always have been. But they never realised it because their 'liberal' self-delusion was never tested. It's easy to take a position on BLM, when you're not black. It's easy to take a position on immigration when your career/job is not affected by the downwards push on wages. It's easy to take a position on war (Iraq, Afghanistan, Syrya, Libya, etc), when it's in the past. It's easy to take a position on free speech when you're not likely to be hurt/arrested because of it. It's easy to take a position on things that dont affect you, which is the case for all liberals who're actually just chauvenists. But the moment you have to take a position on something that's happening now, at this moment, where your voice has impact... you see their mask comes off. Suddenly they're unable to take a position on it.

[@christophergreen6595]

It's also just... the inevitable course of entrenched power. Too many institutions are inter-linked in this and they all get a share. Changing anything means cutting into the money-vein.

[@JankeyCreator]

All the lies, smears, mischaracterizations, and overreaction are analogous to the Israeli forces and how they carry out their genocide.

[@carolinetapia8568]

OWEN JONES❤️🕊️ … SO HAPPY TO SEE AN INDEPENDENT JOURNALIST FROM EUROPE ON THIS PLATFORM❤️🕊️

[@gareth7574]

I'm a Brit transplanted to the US and I've loved Owen Jones for years. I'm so happy to see the collab with you guys! (although under terrible circumstances)

[@jaialaiwarrior]

His self-righteousness evidently appeals to you

[@chrisko6439]

The mayor of Berlin (which is actually more like a governor in a state of the United States) applauded at first when the two filmmakers from Israel and the West Bank demanded the end of the slaughter. He later realized it would cost him his career if he doesn't do the kowtow for the Zionists/American Deep State. Same with German Culture minister. She applauded and later tried to back down by saying she only applauded the Israeli, not the Palestinian. I don't believe this is true, she usually isn't this racist. She simply is an opportunist who doesn't want to lose her career, no matter what. Despicable people.

[@bosshog8844]

Zionist Occupation Government is real.

[@MMMM-bv4ou]

Those folks have no self-esteem, no moral values.

[@KomradeKrusher]

Well, he's a Christian conservative, so it's to be expected. Constructing a "zionist world conspiracy" is not a good look, even less so when the creed of his own party pretty much sets the course for his excpected public demeanor.

[@helgefredriksen7962]

​​@@MMMM-bv4ouso true and so dissaponting seeing top-representatives in a democracy not defending victims of occupation / settlercolonialism, and not defending International law, justice, truth, FREE speach, freedom for everybody in palestine.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

The americans don't have a deep state, they just have an imperialist state pursuing imperialist interests.

[@karimb1724]

I don't think anti semitism is growing, rather is bigoted people who already hated jewish people to begin with are now louder vs people who are critical of Israel's genocide and emphasize that they condemn Israel the state and it has nothing to do with racism or prejudice towards jews.

[@Sammonkey137]

Love Owen, he is a great human, Peace

[@chrisbfreelance]

He wants children sterilised and indoctrinated, that speaks volumes about you.

[@standingalone001]

Owen Jones is a superstar. Love this guy.

[@PeterStone-ch9dw]

So is Joe Biden.

[@PauloAdriano-zo2ng]

​​@@PeterStone-ch9dw Except that Joe is a *Big Fart,* and he hasn't gotta ❤. 😅

[@standingalone001]

@@PeterStone-ch9dw That’s insane to say. Truly insane.

[@PeterStone-ch9dw]

@@standingalone001 Sorry guys but I was being sarcastic. Jones is a third rate journalist and lefty agitator. I don't know why Biden is still commander in chief, it's disturbing. When he literally reads every word on the autocue is sad.

[@PeterStone-ch9dw]

@@PauloAdriano-zo2ng Isn't his family whole corrupt.

[@loner419]

Owen's cat is just doing what anyone's cat does in virtual meetings. Mine is silent 99% of the time but the femtosecond I join a teams meeting, she suddenly must sing the ancient songs of her people.

[@keirfarnum6811]

“...suddenly must sing the ancient songs of her people.” 😂. I love that! Cats rock! There’s a reason the Egyptians thought they were gods. 👍🏻

[@LAJiini]

Have to remember that Jews are not Zionists and Zionists are not Jews. So say the Jews themselves.

[@janetwebster5099]

Not ALL of either, but most definitely some. And, it's important not to forget the Christian Zionists who are absolute whack jobs, with odd ball beliefs that Israel 🤔 needs to build the 3rd temple to bring 😉 on the apocalypse...I know sounds like science fiction...but it's TRUE. And the Israelis who support them and want to sacrifice perfect red heifers from the US. All true All utterly insane And THESE are the people in control.

[@cz8587]

Owen's cat is 100% the best intro you folks could have had. I'm a cat lover, so thanks for catering to me.

[@chrisko6439]

I suspect cat lovers are overrepresented in this audience. The G-cide fans probably lean more towards dogs.

[@sandrajayne5446]

Thank you, Emma and Owen, for your compassionate podcast. 🇸🇩🥀♥️

[@Octoberfurst]

Owen Jones is fantastic! I just discovered his channel recently and binge-watched his videos. He is a great truth-teller! He pulls no punches!

[@ezeddiev]

Well done guys, I think Owen has been one of the best voices on this the current situation in gaza I have heard, thanks for helping him engage with your audience more. And thanks for the great coverage you are all doing at the majority report. This is the sort of time I would love to hear from Michael brooks, such a big loss to the fight against oppression. Keep up the great work ❤

[@daniellepatrioticexpat1022]

Owen is such a genuine beautiful soul. Keep shining light on all this... sunlight is the best disinfectant

[@k0mm4nd3r_k3n]

An Owen and Emma combo sounds like a pretty good transatlantic podcast tbh.

[@chrisbfreelance]

Trans Grooming podcast would be a better description.

[@robbie9629]

Hopefully people will start to see the strength and extent of the Israeli Lobby.

[@laithmughrabi8990]

Camera org Canary mission Alex springer There is much more..

[@rodimcgeesums633]

Never forget that for some people they do this because they believe in the philosophy of Zionists and Zionism. Biden is one of them and he stated it plainly “I am a proud Zionist.” For some it’s more than just the Money. And that’s what makes them dangerous.

[@adriancollette7010]

And do what? What part of they own Congress dont you see?

[@road2morality]

People see it, but do nothing

[@-xirx-]

Go glad to see you and Owen Jones joining forces. Both of your channels have been great sources/voices about Palestine

[@skillhunterffv4058]

Why be shocked? It’s been going on for 75 years. I’ve been doing this for so long. I’m not surprised by anything the world does to support Israel.

[@williamolsen20]

I am surprised but not surprised at the same time.

[@AHappyCub]

They're shocked because their favorite pass time activity got exposed to the world after centuries of oppression by the West

[@chrisko6439]

Owen said you can be not surprised but still be shocked.

[@Gee-xb7rt]

@@chrisko6439 Seems a lot like ptsd. Humans are hardwired to need their emotions validated, when your own government lying to you that makes your brain kind of wonky, you see something and they are there to tell you its something else, essentially gaslighting and even scapegoating. Imagine how worse it is for pacifist Jews. It takes a lot of strength to speak out when the Zeds are trying to erase the pacifist's identities, even using language that the SS used. Hannah Arendt wrote Totalitarianism in like1950, you aren't going to find her books in Zed libraries.

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

Mind Begs the Question: - To justify,support policies of - Starvation,Death Camps,Gas Chambers/White Phosphorus,Pogroms,Ethnic Cleansing,etc - Democratic or Nazi?

[@merbst]

Alright! I have been subscribed to Owem since October, and Novara Media since 2022!

[@juliewake4585]

Yes indeed. Me too.

[@nigglenoo]

Me too, plus Double Down News

[@DeniseWilliams-jr5xo]

Yes I've subscribed to Owen, Novara Media, this one and Double Down News is very good too.

[@ianmaidment2258]

Check out zetao

[@jamesmcmillan2656]

Your doing good my friend

[@PietroCozziTinin]

I can't sleep and cry every night for the people in Gaza. As a retired trauma surgeon working all my spare time in war zones, I can smell the blood and viscera when I try to keep calm.

[@jayneyaghmour7320]

🙏❤

[@valeriewedel2775]

❤ hi Pietro - I play healing harps. Maybe this would help. Healing harp and Chi Kung to help release and heal trauma.

[@PietroCozziTinin]

@@valeriewedel2775 Thanks for the help. I am currently looking for a chance to go to Gaza and help healing on the front line.

[@thegoodpimps]

@@PietroCozziTininMay god protect you from IDF

[@sbushido5547]

As transparent as the lies being pushed by Israel and its defenders are, it's nice to have people like Owen shoving back as well as he does.

[@chrisschmidt3409]

Im ashamed America hasn't stepped in. I always considered the US to be the world police but we failed miserably at it. History won't remember the US favorably.

[@tobiashardy1620]

They have stepped in big time but sadly on completely the wrong side. Insane or just sold their morals.

[@TheKareem87]

The US stepped in on Israel's side decades ago and hasn't left.

[@maxkrystal7403]

@@tobiashardy1620it’s we’ve been doing for a long time. Ask any Central American

[@canadist]

America is not the guy with the white hat.

[@SuhailButt]

​@@maxkrystal7403 ask any country in North Africa, Middle East or Asia Pacific... which country did it truly uplift, ever?

[@cameronransome]

Such a great sight when progressives come together for such an important discussion; Especially with someone like Owen, who is a much needed voice over here in the UK!! 👍

[@Kan09138]

So so needed. This lad is really tops

[@tonymurphy2624]

It makes me happy to see Owen on the show. I've been subbed to Owen for many years on all social media platforms until I nuked all but KZbin. Dude really groks solidarity in a way that can't be cosplayed, and he's been far and away the most important outlet on the conflict in the UK. Would that it were in better circumstances.

[@Bwahzehdezooner]

Bravo, Owen! See you on your show as well as Zeteo. Keep up the fight!

[@jeromefalasca5118]

Thank you all for being the voice of the oppressed..much Love ❤more power to ya all💪🏽🇿🇦

[@stillwatersnightsky6533]

Owen love your work. Glad you are here. Much love and respect from India..

[@GeorgeVaaeth-kc9wc]

Great guest !! Owen is the coolest.

[@Homer4prez]

Sadly I feel the world is just going to get worse until something terrifyingly huge happens on this planet that finally brings us together.

[@TripleRoux]

Let's pray for some aliens... 😅

[@maryoconnor2228]

The situation is Gaza is something terrifyingly huge!

[@Homer4prez]

@@maryoconnor2228 But not huge enough to where the whole planet is paying attention.

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

@@maryoconnor2228unfortunately it’s more like something that puts selfish people in serious peril because it puts everyone in serious peril. So many people are completely self involved and ignorant and just won’t try to wrap their heads around things like this let alone actually care.

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

@@Homer4prezthat’s so fucked up… we’d be lucky if something big enough to bring humanity together was manageable enough that we don’t go extinct first!

[@mariatod]

Owen is a real journalist, exposing the truth and asking real questions! ❤

[@chrisbfreelance]

Why did he condemn the cass report then?

[@Andioop69420]

I love Owen!!

[@user-xz6uu4zb7j]

I would not like to piss Owen off, he is so passionate about doing the right thing. Keep it up you guys

[@markfoster7968]

Big up the students who are standing up for justice and peace.

[@chefdeparty]

These students include the next generation of politicians and voters. Those currently holding political power would do well to remember that.

[@christophergreen6595]

I remember liking Obama a little more after con media started talking about how he was friends with one of the former Chicago 7 "terrorists" who became a lib/left politician. But it was the reminder that some of the hippies meant it that really helped me that day.

[@lawrencemullin2643]

Thank you Owen Jones!

[@mrbadiuzzaman]

It's inspring to watch this from Malaysia

[@marcusmiz]

When will anyone ask the question why did Oct 7th happen, why did it take 6hours to respond? Why are the protestors being called pro Hamas? Pro Israelis attacked peaceful pro Palestinian protestors and they call it a clash.

[@maryoconnor2228]

October 7th happened because of the decades of suppression of Palestinian people by Israel. You'd have to ask Benjamin Netanyahu why it took so long to respond! Protesters are being called pro Hamas because in the eyes of Israelis if you object to the slaughter of 35,000 innocent Palestinians then you must be pro Hamas. Pro Insraeli's will always attack pro Palestinians because that is just what they do and have done for decades! They believe Palestinians are a lower race - simple! Hopefully that answers all your questions.

[@jagsherdhaliwal3191]

I’m so glad to see Owen jones on the majority report. We are all united for Palestinian liberation. The numbers are too great and they need to be on the defensive. In the end, they can’t defend a genocide

[@PennyFestus-wj6wm]

Thank you for such an honest conversation for 🇵🇸🌹 I can relate to feeling so angry at western double standards. 🙏🇿🇦

[@deborahday4262]

Fantastic!!! How exciting, love Owen... And you guy's as well.

[@chizmo7]

I’m 66 and my parents taught me about WW2 when I was a kid. I never dreamed something like this would happen again. Absolutely incredible.

[@Hgcfdghjjvvc]

Imagine if the United States pledge unconditional support to the Vatican and provided the Vatican money to establish a Catholic state.

[@AZtea4UnME]

One doesn't have to imagine. Vatican has always been involved in naferious world affairs. Their simply evil

[@IsaacSperrow]

History and time will remember the protesters being right all along. A lot of people now have their lives permanently influenced by this particular event and will act accordingly. The powers that be can't sweep this event under the rug no matter how hard they try.

[@user-X-SAM]

just love owen Jones

[@user-em3vl6li5w]

What’s not to love?

[@ailblentyn]

Got our cat from the shelter in the pet store on Union Square. Best cat in the world.

[@samehmikhail5039]

After Bibi get prosecuted , the ICJ/ICC should go after who supported the weapons to comity war crimes, if not now history will not forget. It is sickening , hope no one of our politicians talk about human rights abuse any where in the world.

[@Mae-hx2ml]

I saw a report in The Jerusalem Post concerning the mass graves where they try to say the IDF was searching for the bodies of hostages by digging up the previous mass graves, then reburying the bodies. This would still be a war crime.

[@pambacchus5421]

Sure they did. How do they explain that some bodies had organs removed? They are vile. Who does that unless you are a sociopath.

[@Mae-hx2ml]

@@pambacchus5421 did you know Israel stole babies from Yemeni Jews, telling them the babies died, then gave those babies to childless Holocaust survivors?

[@dabajaraef]

Couldn’t let this episode go without a comment. 2 Elegant Super Heavyweight Brains, bless you both and massive thank you.

[@ninaspage]

Owen great to see you together. and I also watch Novara , the 3 o you are the best.

[@aehaar1801]

The work you guys are doing is amazing. We seriously should cancel all the biased famous news channels by now. They have proven their hypocrisy to us.

[@exodore2000]

I realized the other day by Israel's numbers 34,568 dead and 77,765 injured that's insane. Half of those are children.

[@user-qf1zg4zz8j]

And they had the gall to discredit the Palestinian figures which are an under-estimate because they don't include those missing and buried under the rubble.

[@road2morality]

Jews constantly lie

[@roseannemain9957]

It is all the children maimed and orphaned that re also going to change society in Palestine for ever.

[@roseannemain9957]

Asylum basically means anyone from anywhere can request asylum anywhere in the world. This is supposed to enable them to come to a place of safety. Then the validity of their request/claim should be examined and a decision made about whether or not they can stay.

[@kindGSL]

They aren't manipulative, they just have to train their owners.

[@MrTooEarnestOnline]

True

[@karamsingh1236]

Damn unruly bunch those humans.

[@alexj-t2331]

Cats are susceptible to reverse psychology but that’s still playing their game lol

[@juliewake4585]

I assume you’re talking about cats?

[@karamsingh1236]

D@mn unruly bunch those humans

[@larisahadzalic63]

Du hast es erfaßt. Genau so ist es in Deutschland

[@zander-lb1jy]

Owens I love ❤️ you from TX USA

[@MDuzel]

How can this be washed out? Is it possible that the world is going to end up with the possibility that these atrocities can be washed out? We live in the twilight zone.

[@Biotic_Warlock]

How does this guy still look like he's in his 20s? what an icon

[@clarea-s6779]

He’s in his late 30s

[@charismahornum-fries691]

​@@clarea-s677940 😅

[@brentwood1334]

Makeup

[@thecomfortinthesound]

No way I thought he was in his twenties all this time 😮

[@rachaelik]

Redheads seem to age slowly, in my experience.

[@digglerdudeuk]

Owen is great.

[@hbdude155]

Owen always been great on these issues, great appearance

[@haraldisdead]

The death count also doesn't include people who were blown into microscopic pieces

[@adriftinaboat3452]

Absolutely

[@warmperson2007]

Also in Israel people were cut into pieces on October 7 by Hamas and it's allies.

[@mahmoudkristinashehada338]

​@@warmperson2007yes, Israel's brutal 75 year occupation is terrible for everyone. We need real justice for everyone to get real peace. Racism always hurts everyone, everytime. Zionism is to Jews what the KKK is to white people in the US. It needs to end.

[@chickensoup9869]

+ kids under the rubbles + zio d e stroying hospitals to distrupt the c asualties count

[@chickensoup9869]

​@@warmperson2007 Hamas doesn't have Apache helicopters.

[@joewhite9074]

Don't you understand "Israel must maintain the Pressure on Hamas, Genocide be damned!!" We can not Ceasefire or stop expanding the conflict, less I'll find myself charged and jailed for the crimes I committed prior to October 7th!!" Benjamin Netanyahu

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

Mind Begs the Question: - If a PM/Govt stage WMD Hoax - PM/Govt can't stage Terrorist Attack - To manufacture justification,consent - For Ethnic Cleansing,Total Occupation?

[@B_Bodziak]

It's incredibly coincidental that every time Bibi the Butcher needs help to win an election and to stay in power, hamas comes through for him by harming a few Israelis giving Netanyahu the opportunity to emphasize that only he can keep Israelis safe from hamas. I wonder if he selected the Oct 7 date...

[@AEdeathparty]

WMDs were made up and the US invaded Afghanistan to win an election. It's not speculation, there's evidence. If we were really after bin laden, the Afghanis were going to hand him over to avoid invasion, but that wouldn't win an election with the right wing.

[@chrisko6439]

@@B_Bodziak If they didn't at least let it happen knowingly, I would be very surprised. Pretty much every war did start with a phony cause.

[@B_Bodziak]

@@chrisko6439 It's very strange they moved the festival location just two days before. When Netanyahu first ran for PM, he remained at less than a 35% favorability. It was Netanyahu that instigated the assassination of Rabin, his main opponent. Then, there were the suicide bombers on Israeli buses. His campaign revolved around fear of Hamas. Oct 7 has stalled his criminal trials. He's a power hungry, evil man.

[@pugetsoundfarmer]

Even christian's who are not part of the evang cult are appalled about what's happening in Gaza.

[@shamim621]

True

[@thecomfortinthesound]

True idk anyone personally who defends this anymore, including many who did at the beginning.

[@valeriewedel2775]

We need to talk about xtian Zionism. It is warped and frankly an evil cult. I think this is what genocide Joe is.

[@jahonain]

Jesus Christ himself would be outraged at what's happening in Gaza .

[@thegoodpimps]

@@jahonainMoses would be outraged, his whole fame was on ending the oppressive child killing regime.

[@moniquemargie1]

I have followed Owen Jones since last year ❤❤❤

[@bfoster417]

My partner is Jewish, and I'm getting worried about her because since October she's been watching more and more right wing KZbin videos , i try and explain to her that these people aren't on her side, especially because she has severe mental health problems and is on benefits, but she doesn't get it, we can't talk about what's happening in Palestine because it just ends up in a big argument between us.

[@valeriewedel2775]

❤ I feel this. I have lost an old old friend. Another dear friend is rabid Zionist but we have agreed to disagree. We reiterate we are grateful fir our friendship also. Could you do something like this with your partner? Grateful to be together and agree to disagree?

[@deathbyslipknot]

Once people start getting right wing, they don't stop.

[@CuriouslyInquisitive]

These kind of events as I see it are great revealers, sometimes involving very close people to us. I take it as a message to me more than anything.

[@StephenYuan]

I had an old friend who was a Zionist. It got to the point where he would mention Israel and I would just tell him I didn't want to hear about it. I didn't agree with him and I would never. I didn't want to argue about it. Discussion was pointless. But he would just start talking about Israel as if I hadn't said anything. He didn't think I would end our friendship over that. He was wrong.

[@Blonde_Somnambulist]

​@@StephenYuanfor any relationship to work , there are a particular set of values that must be mutually shared. I would argue that one of these values is a moral compass. If a lack of basic morality is revealed , lack of compassion , holding indefensible positions , spewing falsehoods to support their positions, refusals to accept objective facts, then clearly its not possible to maintain a friendship with such an individual. There are particular subjects on which there should be no arguments. If one is not utterly repulsed at what is happening in Gaza, then I would argue the spirit and soul has become corrupted. No man or woman would reasonably desire to have a friendship, indeed any sort of relationship with such a person.