It's Hard to Stop a Trane

[@seroxide]

About 2 weeks ago I replaced a condenser fan motor in a 1964 side discharge Lennox. Added 2lbs of R22 and she was blowing ice cubes. I'm sure its inefficient but it worked and the lady can't afford a new one. It was original to house and owner.

[@TPINSC]

Most of the time when I repair a cap tube I usually use a piece of copper as a sleeve. I was always afraid of closing the tube. Another Trane lives to see another day.Good Job.

[@pinfeather6750]

I always change all the cap tube u can't braze it

[@merllhagard6799]

I love how this is listed under comedy. Dude, this man is very proper. I'm about 3 years Into HVAC/R and electricity, as well as only 18 yrs old. I dont know as much as the pros in my field but I do know that this dude is just proper.

[@mrcrux213]

Very nice. Low pressure may be and indication of low airflow. I also noticed that the condenser fan push or suck the air side way. Never seen a Trane like that. Thanks Ted

[@etctaylor]

Good Video. Nice repair job to give the customer more time to replace equipment. Just a thought but I usually zero my scale with the tank on it and then it will count the charge without you having to do the math.

[@danielshoop4928]

Helicopter customer!! I'm going to use that one from now on!! Great channel

[@billhoward1918]

K Mech yep . we call them hover

[@none-zl4ju]

I love reading the comments on your channel when you use r22. The debate over the stand in refrigerants is hilarious. You bought your 22 cheap your prices don't compare to anyone else. It's not that hard to figure out. Thanks for the videos. I've been in the field for 24 years. NATE certified and I have picked up some cool tricks of the trade from your stuff.

[@TedCookHVAC]

Thanks Chris... I really appreciate the support !!

[@GeorgiaHvacAndMore]

According to the serial number on the inside of the panel, this unit was manufactured on the 33rd week of 1990

[@audio05]

Nice looking unit...good job sir...

[@erics9213]

Nice video. How do you know you didn't plug the capillary tube while brazing?

[@lazyjack8081]

Labor rate... $50.00 an hour..... $60.00 if ya watch .... $75.00 if ya help.

[@2ShotsDown]

95 is you ask questions

[@BassWhoopinFishingTeam]

$125 if you tell me how to do my job

[@andrecampbell691]

With so many poorly trained or just crooked HVAC technicians around, at my house I watch.

[@stevenlavimoniere]

she's a weaker mama she's a leaker next level

[@natepeterson7145]

Gave it the ole gundy!!

[@cutehumor]

as you say, "you can't stop a Trane, can't stop it!" :)

[@jeffreywhitlatch1409]

I'd watch those coil Loops for that cap tube to see if they were sweating. Good yob I say. I am one to get someone going if I can.

[@tonykeith1244]

Good job. I’m sure the customer is happy, and hopefully they will put some money back to replace that worn out unit. I see plenty of comments about what you should or shouldn’t do, but there not face to face with the customer.

[@majorpayne5289]

👍 I see this as a normal, billable repair. Nothing wrong w/ these types of calls. It’s capillary tubes, distribution tubes, equalization tubes... all kinds of tube nomenclature😂....bunch of those repairs under my hat. I miss the old days. ✌️ 👍Good job Mr Cook

[@TedCookHVAC]

Yea I did it no problem but just look at all the different opinions on these comments... thanks for watching I really appreciate the support !!

[@cypeman8037]

“You don’t see them very often” oh the irony.

[@ChrisHVAC]

Good to know that I'm not the only guy that replaces R22 with R22.

[@melundank1039]

i would never waste customers money putting r 22 in a crap unit like this there are plenty of good cheap replacements

[@TedCookHVAC]

I bought my stockpile of R22 cheaper than you can buy ANY of the stand-in imposters. I bought it to protect my customers from the whole "Freon scam" that has been imposed on us. Don't get me wrong I do like the R410a ok and it is very efficient, but... being forced is a bummer. I saw it coming and beat the system.

[@DECIFERTHIS09]

replace r22 with 407c , unless you want to charge someone $80-100 a pound for r22, versus charging $30 for 407c

[@TedCookHVAC]

I was smart enough to stockpile plenty of R22 before it sky-rocketed in price... therefore I don't have to work myself to death flushing and or draining etc. just to use stand ins like the one you mentioned. Even if I did have to pay high price for the 22, I am not selling it to myself, so it is what it is.

[@melvin292]

Anti DIY HVAC - I'm hoping the EPA lowers the boom on all who are still fixing 22 units. The next move from the government should be a complete ban on 22 and mandatory fine for any individuals using or processing R22.

[@johanchalco5117]

Good videos and good repair repair and customer is happy.

[@TacticalChris]

Great video. Got my BluVac in, thanks again Ted!

[@TedCookHVAC]

You're welcome !!

[@3beltwesty]

The EPA's legal date where R22 cannot be added to this unit is Jan 1 2030. Thus if the unit is 1 Lb low in Oct 2029 a tech can add that lb legally. Some AC units see little usage. The unit may be way up north or in a building that is not used. Oddly a brand new R410a system and this old beast in 2030 might both still work, or not. Older equipment often had thicker coils and thus few leaks. R410a is not thermodynamically better than R22, it is actually worse with a large delta T say in the Middle East Desert areas. The only way modern AC units have a higher EER and SEER is via inverters, variable speed motors, adding a TXV or EEV valve. The basic thermodynamics is boxed in by the testing inside and outside temperatures. With EER it is 80 and 95 F . SEER is higher since the temperature difference is less than 15F for many of the tests that are averaged to get SEER.

[@dylanreischling4151]

3beltwesty I thought it was 2020

[@miketaylor6282]

You should change the name of your channel from anti diy HVAC to anti helicopter HVAC.😄 Love your videos and thanks for making them and sharing your knowledge!

[@subhitayeh4890]

When or how do you decide when to take out the b tank instead of the acteylne torch’s

[@hozerhvac4406]

good Job Ted. I have never worked on package units before. we don't have them up north. Do you handle them just like any other condenser? I noticed the saturation was below freezing. was this just a quick fix and no need to balance by superheat? forgive me for asking I am just trying to learn thank you I

[@TedCookHVAC]

You must not have noticed I had no temp. clamps on the Sman at all. On a packaged R22 unit I will weigh in the factory specified charge and walk away. Nothing was being read at all on the screen other than the PSI of liquid and suction lines.

[@hozerhvac4406]

Anti DIY HVAC ahhh ok makes sense. I didn't notice there were no clamps. Thank you for the response Ted. Great job. Fast and efficient!!

[@tonysharoneubanks2762]

Would it been better to put a coupler in the repair to avoid closing the cap tube?

[@cassidystrickland2557]

Its old with dirty coils , head pressure will be a little high and with a suction that low itll freeze up as soon as the house cools down and the sun sets....recall waiting to happen

[@549BR]

Does the Smithsonian Museum know about this Trane?

[@johnthelesserofthethirdoft863]

How common is the air handler to be in the attic?

[@TedCookHVAC]

Very common.

[@ttali211]

Do you think that maybe the head pressure might be on the high side due to the side cover not being on while checking your charge? 52 psi seems kind of low on a 80 degree day. Also not to question you but why no Superheat readings? Or subcooling if there’s a txv on there? Pressures only tell you 1/2 the story. Again not trying to question you or your knowledge, I respect the work you do based on some of your other videos. Thanks and god bless

[@TedCookHVAC]

Good question but no, not in this case... the covers that were off are louvered anyway and the design of the unit does not allow any bypass of either coil with what I was doing. There is no TXV only a distributor and not even a piston... probably could have used a flush but that is way too much work and money to put in a 33 year old unit. He is a friend and I was just getting him by for a while.

[@jerrodwilliams6789]

The first thing that went through my mind was that side cover off causing high head pressure...but it’s a 30 yr old trane I was 7 when it was made haha

[@kennetheldridge5267]

You are the man I would not try to Sutter those lines.Because I know I would mess it up

[@DavidMoriconiM3inspect]

I had a 34 year old Westinghouse AC and Furnace. I only replaced in 2010 due to all the rebates. They worked fine, Could have kept using BUT I knew they would not last forever

[@TedCookHVAC]

The 1500.00 tax credit back then really boosted sales for us !!

[@DavidMoriconiM3inspect]

@@TedCookHVAC plus rebates from Gas company in my area

[@nomadismileseeker6611]

The worlds loudest torch lol

[@martindeloach]

Don't be dogging them old boys, maybe old and inefficient but they don't make them practically bulletproof like that anymore, its working let it roll.

[@ernieroy3]

Are you in Greenville SC?

[@doddgarger6806]

Yeah

[@OleRazzleDazzler]

I’d assume those pressures are fine with the condition of the system. I know it was a “getter by” job. But I’m sure if you would of got video, that the blower wheel surely had some build up, at least slightly , and I bet the Evap at least has SOME restriction. Maybe 1 more ounce of gas to keep from being slightly uncomfortable with it freezing when the filter gets 3 weeks old

[@brentaudi9354]

Nice sounding Trane. Hard to believe it is 30 years old! The heat exchanger looked to be in very good shape also.

[@KungFuMaintenance]

~ Nice job and film work!

[@jonsaircond8520]

I could make a killing if I had 2 cases of those old round Honeywell stats. I used to save any good ones I removed but unfortunately they are hard to find now. Most of my older customers would buy one in a heartbeat....... just add a on break time delay and everybody is happy

[@TheWoodman064]

I thought the guy was your company's assistant! I always got very bothered when that would happen but, what can you do! All pays the same! Great work on your part though!

[@dodgedak03]

Wow, that thermostat!

[@EFD620G]

If the label was unreadable how did you determine 4 lbs. Was the house cold for some reason. 80 degree day should have given you more suction pressure. I suspect you'll be going back to this one. Whats going to happen when they run this at 70 degrees outside....can you say iced up

[@TedCookHVAC]

I have been installing Trane systems since the late 80s... easy enough to find archived specs.

[@tech5032]

Man that’s a lot of R22. Have you used R407C.? I like it because it has the same pressures of R-22

[@TedCookHVAC]

I Have not tried any of the "stand ins" for R22 at all and likely never will... I have quite a bit of R22 I was smart enough to buy up before it skyrocketed after the beginning of the phase out. I was stock piling it up in 2009 and early 2010 before it was so outrageous in price. I watched the whole thing with R12 happen in the early 90s and decided to bet the game on this one as soon as we all got word of what was coming.

[@tech5032]

Anti DIY HVAC. ok I see I bit using a lot. On leak repairs when customers can’t afford me equipment. The only thing is different is the oil. It uses POE oil. You will have to drain the mineral oil and add the same amount of POE.

[@TedCookHVAC]

So exactly how would one "drain" the mineral oil from a system ? Especially a packaged system ? So would you actually flush with solvent ? How would you remove the oil from the compressor ? I assume you would accept the fact that some amount of mineral oil will remain in the system.... and the 407c is formulated to emulsify the added POE oil and circulate it sufficiently ? I understand that many people are using cheaper alternatives to R22, I just do not understand why. I learned two things a while back about the cost of equipment and or supplies in the industry... number one is, no matter how expensive it is, I am not selling it to myself. Number two is, do not seek a customer who can't afford you, set prices and stick to them.... Let them work out their money problems instead of me trying to find a way to fit a limited budget. This particular unit belongs to a friend of mine who is a plumber and he will buy the new one from me without any doubt. The cost of this repair will be a credited deposit towards the new one when we install it. Also, the most I ever paid for any R22 is between 3 and 4 dollars per pound. I can afford to use it to protect my customers and insure sales of the new systems. If for some reason a customer backed out on the new sale after I sold them the R22.... I am fine and have profited either way. Some of the local companies here are getting as much as 100.00 per pound !! So just for my own knowledge and understanding, exactly how much would you have charged for a repair like this one with the 407c conversion ?

[@tech5032]

Anti DIY HVAC you can used 11 flush. And the compressor can be cut and drain it. R407c is 25 per Lb where I live. I don’t know how much is there. Put I do this in cases where the leak is repairable. Not in a coil. And where the compressor is bad and there is not a leak on a system. That will be a perfect candidate. I just did a package unit where there was not leak but the compressor was not pumping . I just used R-11 flush and replace the filter dryer. The new compressor comes with POE already. I just make sure a flush it really go and I do a triple evacuation. But that’s a personal choose from the customer. I seen some guys here in KZbin just adding Poe oil in top of mineral. And I think that’s wrong but is their choose. R22 around here is crazy I heard people getting charged $130 per LB but that’s crazy.

[@TedCookHVAC]

I assume you mean you would have cut the compressor loose in this case and unbolt it to tilt it and drain it ? Then you would use rx11 to flush the rest of the system ? Seems to me the work of all that plus the cost of the rx11 flush would not compare well to the simple repair you see in the video. Maybe in some other case it would prove to be an advantage but I personally just don't see it. Maybe I would feel different if I were buying R22 at the 589.00 per jug most around here pay now. Last summer it was over 800.00 per jug.... so again let me ask you, how much would the repair I did in the video have cost the customer with the 407c conversion you are speaking of ?

[@aircooledtx]

Good leak/repair. Ted

[@andreeriner811]

I gotta admit, theirs a lot of really old Trane out there still going. Theirs a lot of old Carrier I come across to, and also Janitrol, Goodman whatever you want to call them. I’m not to thrilled about Carrier these days, I’ve seen a lot of issues with some of their stuff.

[@watertech011]

did you ever figure out the condenser fan is running backward?

[@doddgarger6806]

Optical camera illusion 🤣

[@nicedreamz7102]

I'm personally not a fan of the field piece scale. Wasted so much of my time getting the handheld to connect with the scale. Ive went back to my old scale that holds a 9v batt

[@doddgarger6806]

There's a 50lb Ebay scale $13 shipped very accurate too tested against my ohaus

[@ttali211]

Gotcha, no worries. Just had to ask. Lol, have a great day!

[@ronwade5433]

Hey I know that yellow hose guy, he worked with jerk and wobble.

[@donnierobertson3088]

Good job

[@ghostrider.13]

Ive never seen a furnace part outside like that. In ohio they are all inside.

[@stevenbennett9785]

That's probably about normal head pressure for a 8 seer piece of equipment.

[@TedCookHVAC]

Yea, we later found out from his house records the unit is 33 years old !!

[@josephjakubec3171]

Helicopter? WhennI was a diesel mechanic, I didn't mind the customer watching and me explaining what I was doing. Its their money and they were showing an interest. Plus, I knew what the hell that I was doing so I wasn't trying to hide anything. Also, it is and old unit that may need a minor. Why should he buy a new one? You're getting like all of the other tradesman, sell, sell and sell to make the most money. Don't help the customer. Just another hack but for different reason.

[@kendallfitzgerald8599]

All the old units wold last it's the new crap that stays broken

[@lazaronogueira595]

give her the old gundy

[@crashwrench]

Hi , AH ! Another helicopter Customers / Pilots . Don't just Love Them ? ( They Do Not Relies By Bothering You , THEY! are Adding Labor Time To THEIR BILL ! )

[@Acoustic_Theory]

Neat old package unit. Too bad everything these days is so cookie-cutter similar to everything else.

[@glynwatkins9968]

if it was leaking n the plumber new why didn't he braze & fix it him self? sounds like he knew what he was talking about? He was hanging around like an old buzzard in the desert waiting for food

[@jhhvacplumbing1944]

Aw ya Ted is cooking again, she was a leaker ma ma

[@BassWhoopinFishingTeam]

I can stop one. Pull the disconnect. They come to a screeching halt.

[@jacoblowe5424]

The amount of repairs and high elecric bills has probably paid for more than half on a new unit

[@kennetheldridge5267]

Why do you use analog gauges and then go to electric gauges why not just use electronica gauges all the time

[@markbandy6618]

it uses r 1922

[@pomonabill220]

One thing I noticed.... this guy has never responded to any of the comments, yet still wants people to sub and up vote his videos. Kind of like.... just send money.... which i will NOT!

[@TedCookHVAC]

What makes you think I never respond to comments ??

[@KG-yn9qi]

Well there you go DIY man your words let another man do his job ???? Okay understand money talks right !!!! Well in a bucket truck just as dangerous as working on a gas furnace. Hey still got to hand it to you I'll comtinue to watch like your stuff. Just remember every one does what has to do.

[@TedCookHVAC]

One of my guys actually talked me into buying one as he has experience in them... I was just playing with my new toy. However I will do my Christmas tree with it ... and I have tried to hire that out and never been able to find a "pro" service for that.

[@KG-yn9qi]

@@TedCookHVAC Sir its okay by me I am 59 yrs old. Just yanking your chain. Took apart and put back together VW engine when was 12 with the help of a man whos was not my father cause he was not around. he help me to learn to work with my hands. Started working full time at 15 on an oil rig. (Work on oil well rig for 22 years)Learning and watching and doing everything because mechanical things were easy for me I became the guy every one called for help. to this day not a whole lot of things I can't fix or look up how to fix and do it. I also can operate a very wide range of equipment catapillers to loaders to crains and lot other machinery pluse dirve the trucks to haul the equipment. including you bucket truck so was funny watching you play with your new toy I considered myself the true jack of all trades master of none. Yet everyone still calls me for help. So I know how you have to do the best you can and if not good enough well so be it. enjoy your truck

[@mackb.8262]

It's not that hard to stop them, just compare the cost cause that usually stops me. trane is expensive over complicated over engineered junk. Spine fin coils just as a cheap shot for example...