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[@nightmagister]

Colossus back, Engage and Harp at 3. TOSS format is at full power now.

[@papij1359]

Toss?

[@nohnohbody]

​@@papij1359 Thunder, Orcust, Salad, Striker

[@zeroforcequna9486]

​@@papij1359back in 2019 I think it one one of the most fun format four decks were thunder dragon, orcurst, sky striker and salamagreat

[@Justntelleon]

Electrumite crying in the corner...

[@HutchJE]

​@zeroforcequna9486 plus one giga Chad who won a YCS with Prank kids shout ding-ka

[@sensebastian9722]

we all losing to nib with this one

[@zekiel2533]

Nib is about to destroy every deck that needs alot of special summoning. Smh.

[@TiresAreForCars]

im maindecking 3 evenly in every deck too fuggit

[@B-slug]

sprights are back

[@majidoujaa5592]

hero players: oh no what a nightmare...

[@hasanplaster1510]

thats a good thing it was made to do that and it should do that barron is the soul reason nearly every combo deck now play around nib that its sometimes worse than an avg handtrap against them when it was made to beat them ​@@zekiel2533

[@116_Gaming]

TODAY, I LEARNED THE BANLIST DROPPED

[@romygutierrez7873]

Today, I learned that people learned today

[@116_Gaming]

Today, I learned people learned about learning

[@delamav2640]

I learned that today is something that I learned today

[@dave9020]

Today, I learned about banlist runick

[@OlgaZuccati]

today i learned about orcust thunder dragon runick

[@protobass0451]

Electrumite: "Let me out, LET ME OUT"

[@Desvaswarrior]

The age of ancient gear is coming and without as many negates nothing will be left to stop us

[@strangevol5264]

Nah, I feel like Tenpai is the better OTK option, despite the really good Chaos Golem

[@Desvaswarrior]

@@strangevol5264 you probably haven't seen it yet but ancient gear is getting a crap ton more support here soon

[@Novakun]

Let's go, my favourite bad archetype might be playable 🔥🔥

[@esrohm6460]

konami when they make generic synchro monsters and suddenly people start playing them in non synchro decks: did we do an opsy?

[@FrostReave]

Konami does not handle the TCG lists directly. Their branch offices do which are extremely detached from the main branches presumably

[@Bakatora04]

Is more like Konami finally make the generic synchro cheap: "ok, let's banned now".

[@AmazonessKing01]

I'm absolutely sure they over-tune the generic synchros because even konami can acknowledge that synchros are VERY bad simply because you need an special type of card to summon them.

[@n4b5ter41]

Thats not the issue the issue is other decks can still compwte using these cards so they banned them. This game is now oficcially pay to win and also trash gameplay is incoming

[@Virulence-xb2rv]

the game been pay to play what are you on 💀​@@n4b5ter41

[@YeahSureLetsGoSeeYamcha]

Talents just became the best generic card in the game

[@Test-mq8ih]

Yeah lol

[@samjennings6791]

Lucky I bought them at $4 aud

[@superserperioryt3108]

Issue is that both colossus and protos are pretty generic since Cupid pitch can get nemeses corridor who turns into colossus, and infernal flame banshee searches nemeses flag who can search protos

[@cuttlefish6839]

Flag can also search nemesis corridor

[@TomF.AJerry]

My code,pls help me 😢 1c42da26

[@thefinalskarm1754]

if you want to add 2/3 cards to your ed and have dead draws to end on a soon to be unprotected by s/t negate colossus, be my guest.

[@bidoof5922]

@@thefinalskarm1754except that they arent exactly hard bricks, you can still use them the same way if you hard draw em

[@cuttlefish6839]

​@@bidoof5922 do remeber you need to have banished cards in order to use the nemesis cards if you want colossus that's 2 you need.

[@invertbrid]

Interesting direction with baronne and savage getting banned, after RC reprint too. Soon appolousa and IP too after reprint in RC lol.

[@ighurricane75]

They just made having Crossout in hand 100x better it’s the only out to nib now because you can hold ur imperm for apo when you use nib eff

[@tommoex]

Baronne does highlight the problem with how cards are printed in the TCG, for many baronne is finally cheap and it gets banned. Especially cards that are this good and destined to be hit should be affordable from the beginning. No direct fire hit is pretty crazy to me, and maybe it also mean since appo isnt on here due to rarity, it means colossus and protos in rarity.

[@In.New.York.I.Milly.Rock.]

How about cards just being affordable in general, so that this issue doesn't even have to come up?

[@tommoex]

@@In.New.York.I.Milly.Rock. that would be the ideal scenario.

[@strangevol5264]

Linkuriboh is a very good hit. Snake-Eye is now far more vulnerable to HTs and board breakers.

[@chewdoom8415]

@@strangevol5264 Sarcasam? It is the savage and baronne ban that make them more vulnerable to board breakers. As far as I know, linkuriboh just helped them dodge imperm and veiler during. Nib and everything else still does the same

[@dariuspenner2528]

Baronne was a ban worthy card ages ago. It being made affordable now doesn’t make that any less true. I’d also argue that the Maze of Memories reprint did a lot more than people want to admit. On release it dropped Baronne down to a $50 card and it settled at $40 before rarity collection came out. The card’s price got cut in half off that reprint. Even if you don’t think that’s enough, people have had around 6 months with their $3 Baronne. The card had already way overstayed its welcome. The only thing I think this list missed was Prosperity seeing as that’s the best modern draw spell by a country mile and arguably one of the strongest draw spells ever. They also didn’t need to directly hit the fire stuff when they just gutted their end board. The game plan is now IP into Apollousa or SP and hope that’s good enough. Pure SE is completely dead and Fire King SE can’t use Linkuriboh to dodge hand traps anymore. You’re now more reliant on the Fire King stuff, and the grind game you get with Kirin and Garunix likely isn’t enough to compensate. They also hard lose to Nib now. You don’t need to hit the SE cards directly if you take away the things they make

[@Zeta1127]

Baronne and Savage don't need a ban, just an errata to require Fleur Synchron and a Rokket tuner, respectively. They pointlessly errata Goyo Guardian back in the day in a similar way. They are only broken because most decks can make them.

[@wolfwoodstyleblue3946]

Nah, the problem is non synchro Decks had synchro capabilities

[@cuttlefish6839]

They banned goyo guardian for a long time before they gave him an errata. Also what cards have gotten erratas before they got banned first?

[@autobotstarscream765]

De-errata Goyo already but making Savage use a Rokket is about as useful as making Chaos Ruler need a Rokket, Pachinkomoney is currently on the warpath against Dragon Link so if only Dragon Link used Chaos Ruler and Savage, they'd still probably be beaned.

[@autobotstarscream765]

​@wolfwoodstyleblue3946 That was by design, Pachinkomoney has been pushing omnisummon Decks that use a little of every Summon type since Arc-V.

[@itzskyfallgaming7543]

Speedroid Terrortop into Taketomborg or however you spell it = Gossip Shadow which is the new Nib protection

[@MVAS-mp9oo]

Also Fiendsmith engine into High King Caesar or Nightmare Throne into Phantom of Yubel in the future.

[@TomF.AJerry]

My code,pls help me 😢 1c42da26

[@colinbrown74]

It is nice you have to dedicate an entire engine into your deck to do that now.

[@moaiofknowledge9980]

@@colinbrown74 Terrortop is 4 cards main 1 extra and has extra versatility.

[@davecatss6652]

copium alert

[@FluoriteRhodochrosite]

This is a great banlist in the alternate universe where Synchro decks have been getting powerful, useful boss monsters for the past 4 years, but in this universe it just means every Synchro deck from the past four years and beyond are going to have to watch as Konami drags their fucking feet trying to make decent archetypal boss monsters for the next several years. Once the high of the Baronne ban wears off on this community I hope people are clear-eyed enough to understand how bad this could be for the years going forward. The OCG hasn't banned these cards, and unless they do, Synchro strategies are about to become stone-brick useless because the people in charge of making the cards will continue to assume Baronne and Borreload are things you can make when designing. Yeah, it makes Snake Eye's board less frustrating, which is pretty objectively a good thing. Now let's see if they can actually design a fucking card game in the years to come.

[@sulfenir2477]

What are you talking about? Plenty of interesting synchros have been created in the past 4 years. You just don't know about them because baronne made them irrelevant. Not anymore.

[@Honest_Mids_Masher]

​@@sulfenir2477Interesting doesn't mean playable, dummy.

[@sammydray5919]

I love barrone but objectively this is a good hit. Easily accessible generic omni negate will always be an issue and as much as I love synchro strats, combo decks need to be more vulnerable to niburu and not just easily make a negate before their 5th summon. I understand your point and do agree with it since the OCG doesn't have these banned, but getting rid of the generic omnis is definitely a good thing even if synchro strats do end up getting worse for it.

[@morph4977]

Yeah, I'm not counting on Konami to design the cards well enough These hits could be good if we were talking about other company lol

[@gyppygirl2021]

​@@sulfenir2477 THANK YOU.

[@colinbrown74]

I think Baronne and Savage together being gone and essentially assassinating all possibilities of a deck having an omni-negate to back up the rest of their stuff is giant. This lowkey kind of kneecaps an entire PILLAR of the modern game. If you look at the past year or two or even three of the game, you could divide decks into one of three decks: - Turbo Baronne Piles AKA decks that create a wall of negates if they go first that requires you dedicate blow out cards into your main and side deck to stop them - Backrow/Spell & Trap Control Piles AKA decks that require you play backrow removal in your side deck at least - The Midrange Grind AKA decks that use tons of card advantage and resilience in exchange for lower OTK potential and/or going first raw strength to rebound easily from interaction With this, that first pillar is absolute punched right in the stomach. Not only does a Nibiru probably become a major threat nearly ALL the time to them, but this also means a ton of Spell board breakers now might just do the trick. Legit, you might could justify running Dark Hole now, although more likely in modern Yugioh we are more talking Triple Tactics Talents, Change of Heart, and Lightning Storm. And a notable part is also that, mostly, those end boards are going to be smaller. A massive strength of Baronne and Savage is they were 3000 ATK negates, meaning absolutely no Normal Summon or similar at the start of your turn, ignoring extreme crap, could walk over them. The opponent ends on an Apo, Herald, or similarly sized monster? Let me show you my friend I like to call “Special Summon Fenrir/Pank”. This is a massive change for the game in terms of the kinds of cards you are required to run. While every deck can safely run Nibiru now to fight combo piles, you also don’t necessarily NEED Nibiru against some of them anymore. A good Dark Hole or Triple Tactics Talents might just do the same thing if not better.

[@queenbrightwingthe3890]

Problem is Savage Dragon and Baroone are too easy to bring out for almost no resources. A easy lvl 10 monster with both a negate and a destroy effect. Cards like all the lvl 12 dragon synchro monsters in Stardust decks atleast req you to build them up to get them on the board. Baroone is just summon a lvl 7 monster and use Ash to summon into her. Savage Dragon having multiple negates on him depending on the link monster used is also too good to have. Banning generic monsters is the way to go to make YGH more balanced.

[@autobotstarscream765]

App gets kneecapped by Ghost Ogre, which Konami wants to make everyone play.

[@CMaxoknight31]

I just wanna take a moment to say that any 2 level 4's searches Protos (Infernal Flame Banshee into Nemeses Flag). Probably not gonna do much outside of swoswo, just like Cupid Pitch into Corridor into Collossus in MD, but since combo decks lost Baronne and Savage maybe they'll now do this... also Wakaushi is a one card synchro 5 or rank 4, only one banished card and boom you can either go Protos or Collossus basically💀 conclusion: I think this is S C A R Y

[@Gilgamesh-em6ru]

you forget how desperate people get. Ogdoadic already banish, can make rank 4's and spit out Lars so topping it off with a protos OR Eschatos kills a lot of decks. with Baronne and Savage lost I wouldnt be surprised to see pure snake eyes decks abuse the Evol engine to get lars as the double omni negate. I talked about it with a friend before and they agreed it was crazy but the other 2 were much better since it protects turn 1 combos instead of being interruptions on the opponents turn.

[@wayforglory945]

Honest question, how does it play under nib? Can it play over evenly?

[@HumanoidCableDreads]

Corridor can also be played in Swordsoul.

[@QuatschAlder]

Corridor is also a Nemesis card, so the generic xyz to search flag can either be colossus or protos

[@JromLoy]

Or, you know, just play Bonfire

[@Axerion]

It's nice to see a thumbnail with very happy Josh for once :D

[@k.vgaming9028]

True. After all those serious/distressed thumbnail he has, he is finally happy

[@donovan7132]

Colossus being splashed everywhere because of corridor is gonna be painful

[@wrathvarean2549]

That hasnt been the case in the ocg for 5 years And MD for 2 Its just not gonna happen.

[@diegourbina5083]

@@wrathvarean2549you really underestimate the degeneracy of TCG players.

[@hallyuniverse]

@@wrathvarean2549 Different meta, there's a lot of really crazy cards in the OCG that aren't banned and don't see play simply because people don't want to play them, or the decks they're best in have fallen out of favor. As soon as there's a meta deck that can easily incorporate Corridor, Colossus will be a staple in that deck. Also Agents seeming like a good rogue deck now, with it being able to play Colossus and Ib who both got unbanned.

[@strangevol5264]

Well, you’d need to run Cupid Pitch to get access, and what would you even make with it, and how? Auroradon is banned, so is Halq, and Savage… not good.

[@Leonardo-wj3ti]

They will hit Apollousa after they cash in Rarity collection 2 ! Just look at Baronne and Savage dragon !

[@HapsterHap]

The main issue I had with the format was not that it was tier zero, but that you had to be able to run 18 hand traps or your deck wasn't viable. The gameplay wasn't fun and it enabled a bunch of degenerate decks like Kashtira + 21 hand traps and (soon) Tenpai with 24 handtraps as well as stun. If We can get out of that kind of format, a lot of those decks will fall to the wayside and the format will be more engaging and allow more creativity. Snake Eye is a strrong deck, and FKing snake eye barely lost anything, but that doesn't mean deckbuilding for the format is completely unchanged.

[@typhoono3393]

You are completely right, and the thing that allows for this type of deck building is the card design Konami has been creating for these new archetypes, making them UBER consistent with upwards of 12 1 card starters, That allows for so much space for non engine that these decks can easily fit in more than 15 handtraps. Without hitting the engine, these decks will still play these huge handtrap numbers since they dont need to play more engine cards when they have so many 1 card starters, so much consistency. It really is bad archetypal design from Konami, as it always is.

[@FafliXx]

@@typhoono3393 Especially since it means that those decks can play through 2 or even 3 hand traps and still full combo you. So decks almost need to play that many hand traps, plus a board breaker or two. Or pray they go first.

[@abdurachmanromzy4778]

​@@typhoono3393funny that people always asking konami for making their deck became consistent however they choose to do those treatment in newer deck (rather than bad one)

[@americantimemachine7128]

The biggest argument against hand traps is that they are boring. They are "interactive" in literally the worst way possible.

[@TomF.AJerry]

My code,pls help me 😢 1c42da26

[@Marcioknight]

I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY PUT APOLLOUSA TO 4 LESGOOO

[@flygon727]

IP and apo are in RA02 so they can't ban them yet Edit: he said it right after I sent it lmao

[@JosephHk743]

Your perspective on the latest ban list is definitely the most interesting and in a more focused perspective on each hit. The Forbidden Hits are definitely big and Summon Limit was way too excessive to be in the format. I like the perspective you gave on the concept of being Trade-Offs when seeing what was limited. I also agree that seeing Anti-Spell getting hit alongside Summon Limit is a good trade off for stuff like Protos and Colossus. Good reasoning for the Chicken Game limit too. I also think it’s in a good spot being only at 1 copy for the reasons Josh explained. Semi-limits are okay and the unlimited cards are exciting. Malicious was fine at 2, but we will see how 3 copies will do. I like seeing Engage being at full power and I’m excited to see how the Sky Striker Engine/Decks will do for more exciting interactions. Harp horror and Terrortop are good to see unlimited too. Good list overall. Maybe they could’ve hit Wanted to 1 and Snake-Eyes Ash to 2, but good hits.

[@cuttlefish6839]

Honestly I rather see snake eyes ash to 1 would actually bring the deck down and won't hit diabelstar which can be splashed in other decks like the adventure was. Hitting ash would reduce their grindgame make them vulnerable and won't kill their consistency.

[@lucatempesta6027]

At this point I think that either there is a guy inside Konami that leaks the bans or Konami lets the playerbase make the banlist.

[@EYES0FGOD]

RIP the Omni negate combo with Apollo on top.

[@gabperma]

so what’s the best runick version now? synchron bystial runick still has majestic shooting star dragon and a cupid pitch line with assault synchron and hugin so it can run the thunder nemeses monster and colossus

[@Test-mq8ih]

Runick Stun 2 with Pharaoh Advent and Chaos Angel :pepelaugh:

[@WitchVulgar]

Master Duel World Champion vs the TCG Banlist

[@cadenburton7612]

As a player returning to the game, I've been spending some time getting to know all of the decks, I think the list as a whole is decent. But I do think it's also worth noting that essentially every deck that has been played for the last several months is still completely playable. With the incoming decks from LEDE, as much of a fan of diverse formats I am, I think when you can see 15 or so different decks in a event that it makes it very difficult to have a plan, even if it does turn out that snake eye is the best deck still going forward. It's definitely interesting.

[@weckar]

Somewhere in the darkness, Apo and Beatrice are having a giggling tea party.

[@crack.d]

Adding Kirin to my Crystal Witches asap 😎✊🏽

[@RAIGEKI420]

Removing the generic omni-negates and all the going 1st floodgate traps is the best thing they've ever done for going 2nd in yugioh. This list is big big W

[@Valeongar1]

Until they decided to bring back Colossus…

[@thisisiampie6946]

​@Valeongar1 have your board breakers in tow or don't play a deck that loses to it

[@Sairenz]

@@Valeongar1 colossus dont do shit, even in md its still lose to imperm and a lot board breaker

[@nattapakniranittikul]

Banning generic extra deck negate is good. The thing shouldn't exists in the first place so getting them banned make me happy. On the other hand, banning baronne after it became affordable from rarity collection is like fucking with people who can afford it recently at low price. Feel like a d move. I might be imagine things but if they release another generic negate I'm gonna fuming even more than before this drop fr

[@Valeongar1]

@@thisisiampie6946 having the board breakers in tow means staring down at Colossus for 15 minutes and waiting to „just draw the out“, since you shouldn’t forget that you also can’t thrust search the out…

[@AnantaRad]

Damn malicious going outside to touch some grass

[@michaelloveless243]

Protos AND Colossus are both accessible to any deck that can make a rank 4 through Infernal Flame Banshee searching Nemeses Flag.

[@crack.d]

Put out a therion king regulus if you can asap. Therions should be more splashable then they are. Time to test em out

[@austinmartinez517]

Bro fucking masterpeace gone with all the floodgates gone is literally killing meeee

[@Sora-GrandCross]

I really like this list for the overall state of ygo but would've appreciated one or two direct hits to snake eyes

[@albertolozano4620]

Kashtira is happy with protoss too

[@ahnte]

I was extremely happy with the list because the banning of cards like BSD and Barone indicates a very nice direction for the game. They’re basically 2/3 poster children for unbreakable boards, and banning them means that Konami are trying to move away from that style of play, at least in the TCG.

[@vonakakkola]

that's what i hope

[@kotzenderkeks61]

I like where this is going

[@Gestalt81]

Inb4 Baronne and savage are power-crept in the near future

[@alexanderbatterbee8369]

there's a million checks for omnis. there are none for shifter and very little for santifier

[@ohhai10]

Definitely the right move. Boss monsters with negates should be saved for less generic cards, or need to be harder to go into. Or both. They can always keep hitting the shiny new deck, and sure the top decks are always gonna get hit at some point, but they needed to hit these generic Omni Negates EVENTUALLY. Yes the hits hurt weaker decks, but these cards make the top decks very degenerate. It was time to rip the bandaid off even if it hurts weaker decks more. Time to start printing better and less generic archetypal Synchro's so the random best deck in 3 years can't use it while the deck it's meant for gets to reap the rewards. This isn't to say generic ED monsters don't have a place. I think they do, but not Omni Negates. Also not to say archetypal ED boss monsters haven't been an issue in the past, they have, but they're more restrained and not used in every deck under the sun.

[@cyber5787]

Now Yubel is the only meta deck that I can think off that have access to generic omni negate (the new rank 10 Wyrm)

[@jjjenkins6586]

Tear with rulk and grapha

[@Bigdog-qs2zz]

Adventure might make a resurgence lol

[@mrbubbles6468]

Which makes sense since it feels like it was designed with Yubel in mind

[@chewdoom8415]

​@@jjjenkins6586Rulkalos only negates effects or cards that special a monster. Grapha can ony negate normal traps and spells

[@albertolozano4620]

Voiceless

[@gianmarcodelluomo639]

The earthbound runick now is unplayable or not? I have just to substitute the.baronne with another level 10 or the extra change?

[@dellenger]

holy protos went up in price

[@ryionizer3622]

no hit to actual snake eye cards (ash, witch, wanted, original, flamberge) is actually kinda crazy. this list literally does not impact fire king snake eye at all outside of linkuriboh

[@Test-mq8ih]

Just average Komoney behavior

[@NoahMonroe_]

I think the omni negates getting banned is unquestionably good, but we also need to get rid of Evenly and Nibiru because now more than ever, they just rip apart boards with zero counterplay. Like combo decks arent gonna be spamming negates as much anymore, so its fair that the more busted/unfun boardbreakers also have to take a hike so that people can't destroy a player's life because they had it in their opener.

[@ItSpooling_]

1. Evenly has a plethora of counters 2. And you can play decks that don’t lose to nib If you’re having a hard time with nib and evenly it may be time to play a new deck

[@NoahMonroe_]

@@ItSpooling_ 1. Evenly's counters are backrow negates, something that bot every deck can pull off and banishment fucks over a lot of decks. 2. As a Resonatoe/Raidraptor fan, I don't particularly care? Nib hoses a lot of decks thar need to combo off to make their basic plays and you shouldn't have to play exclusively meta decks that end on a negate in less than 5 summons to play.

[@ItSpooling_]

@@NoahMonroe_ cool then have fun losing to evenly/ nib

[@ThetrueKidGoku]

I didnt think we were gonna get this until monday

[@digitaldevilshitposts6731]

I’m a bit new to the game, I was building your Earthbound Runick deck. I was wondering what would be a good replacement for Baronne for it? I was thinking maybe herald of arc light (as you mentioned in this video) or maybe 3 Crossout designator + 1 nibiru (I don’t know if that would make the deck very bricky or not)

[@funkgremlin2765]

Branded pops off now imo. I think the omnis being gone makes it so much easier to resolve branded fusion. Like a lot easier

[@Test-mq8ih]

True

[@SonicSol]

How to hit Snake-Eyes without hitting Snake Eyes. They want that money from the new Diabellstar/Diabellze support.

[@strangevol5264]

It does enough. Linkuriboh assisted them a bit too much, and nigh everything they do is generally fine.

[@sammydray5919]

I mean it weakens the final end board of the pure snake eyes version and also makes it that Nib and handtraps in general are more effective so it will be interesting how decks develop now

[@beegyoshi1685]

@@sammydray5919 it doesn't do anything against snake-eyes in terms of nib protection, they did not make early omni to play through nibiru they had an in archetype line for it. Also handtrap vulnerability is only worth something on the grind game because they already use handtraps on ash so you don't really get to dodge much on your first plays

[@sammydray5919]

@@beegyoshi1685 Just because the deck has lines that can play through nib doesn't mean that it wants to do that. The post nib board is MUCH weaker than their regular board so snake eyes absolutely want to go into a negate before it can come down depending on the hand. Its why the savage line was pretty popular to go into of the hand allowed so. This makes sure that outside of Appo, they have no way to prevent Nib. And handtrap vulnerability is absolutely a factor in the deck's playability because snake eyes has ways to play through and establish its board through multiple hand traps. The omnis and link kuriboh definitely helped with that on top of Link kuriboh protecting appo from battle or just using it to dodge stuff like imperm or veiler.

[@silvermushroom-gamifyevery6430]

TOSS FORMAT ROUND 2 LETS GOOOOOO

[@WitchVulgar]

Nibiru is gonna go so hard in the upcoming format

[@f687sNFM]

"we know how much you guys hated snake eye format, so we gave you guys the option to play decks that lose to snake eye"

[@B0lzenlol]

Now they basically killed all combo decks except for snake-eye? nice

[@andrejv.2834]

Bystial horus decks can make photon lord and use colossus as a boss now instead of the resonators

[@MugetsuKurosaki92]

@@andrejv.2834budget combo decks

[@autobotstarscream765]

​@@MugetsuKurosaki92Pachinkomoney: "Give us your house and car or go play One Piece."

[@whiteblacklight9603]

no hits to snake-eye not now, not *ever*

[@wolfwoodstyleblue3946]

Yall ready to still get stomped by fireking/snake eye still lol

[@Zebaksjam]

Snake eyes endboard without savage line is pretty easy to play through ngl. Imperm/TTT apo after letting them go off & now you have just princess to deal with.

[@koschdragon3130]

​@@Zebaksjam they can just use evoltile megachirella instead of jet synchron and still het their 2 omni negates

[@wolfwoodstyleblue3946]

@@Zebaksjam forgetting the handtraps they'll likely have as well ? Lol will see how the format plays out but a tier zero deck getting not directly hit is unheard of. Baffling in fact.

[@Gilgamesh-em6ru]

with baronne and savage ban I wonder if pure snake-eyes players are going to run the Evol package to get access to Lars that's a double omni negate for face up cards on the field that can't be targeted while it has materials. kind of like how that one Ogdoadic deck did recently. protos being unbanned is scary since any deck that banishes and can make rank 4 can search it. Infernal Flam Banshee can search Nemeses Flag which searches protos.

[@tomnguyen7807]

Volcanic FTK time 😂

[@babrad]

You can make SP with Banshee + a body so you get a banish, Flag gets to be summoned, SP + Flag into Reprodocus, Protos summoned on its arrow (banish Banshee + SP + any non-Fire/Dark monster) to lock any Attribute on demand.

[@Gilgamesh-em6ru]

@@babrad you summon protos or echatos before linking off flag to get the banshee back for the free body

[@babrad]

@@Gilgamesh-em6ru it depends if you can afford the body. If SP (DARK) is required it makes no difference. For example a Normal Summoned handtrap into Almiraz then activating Parallel Exceed as a pseudo-1.5 card combo. You have SP (DARK), Parallel (WIND) + any fire.

[@babrad]

@@Gilgamesh-em6ru If said handtrap is Veiler or Belle then for sure.

[@thefinalskarm1754]

26:06 considering that it's implied the OCG says "yay nay" to the lists we make (Grass and Mine have been mentioned to be asked to be banned but then OCG said *no*). Then they approved this.

[@XxXSpazz284XxX]

Real talk I love how they bring back colossus at a time where it's "mistake" like effect allows it to be effective in an otherwise overwhelming metagame

[@cuttlefish6839]

It's funny wording with a double meaning I like that

[@TheElderNexus]

Blind 2nd strategies are buffed so much with this! Gonna be cooking up some fine af guu.

[@will-i-am7087]

Glad I keep using my ApollUSA

[@gyppygirl2021]

Apollousa isn't even the biggest problem out of the generic bosses LOL I think it's getting too much hate, honestly.

[@autobotstarscream765]

​@@gyppygirl2021App gets trolled by Ghost Ogre. 😂

[@TheJustforcommenting]

I don't feel they needed to hit savage dragon with the linkuriboh ban, but good all the same floodgate bans are good as well. Some of the big decks that relied on Baron will have to maybe pick up the horus engine now or make a light and dark chaos angel

[@shalka8796]

I'm waiting for the branded-thunder dragon profile

[@Timeater]

Let's... GOOOOOOOOOO!!! Baronne and Savage OUT! Next stop... Apolloussa!!!

[@Lich_V.]

and IP

[@invertbrid]

After RC reprint surely.

[@leviathan5207]

@@Lich_V. IP is fine though.

[@muhammadayaan2702]

@@Lich_V.WHY IP NO after apolloussa gets banned IP won’t link into anything insane

[@daedalus5253]

@@Lich_V.IP is fine. Especially without Apo

[@jonathanculbreth1618]

Nemeses Corridor stonks

[@CeltyST96]

So we get a sanctifire reprint in the new branded special box? Let’s go

[@johnnywilson3071]

We're time traveling back to TOSS format with this one boys.

[@Zeroyue622]

okay hear me out, nemesis flag search protos and he is fire. and he is a pyro for bonfire.

[@nickching3128]

Already knew this

[@arjanzweers6542]

What I'm really curious about is how the OCG players will react to our list after their banlist. The OCG decided to mildy inconvenience Snake-Eyes with some minor consistency hits, while the TCG decided to take away their omni negates to make it easier to break their boards.

[@dewanegara8333]

In my Group most of our member laugh at it. Since tcg banlist policy is still just for boost sale

[@Ragnarok540]

@@dewanegara8333 TCG bans as a marketing tool but OCG (and MD) ban to make decks sacky/inconsistent and in some cases even frustrating. Oh and Maxx "C" is there to ruin the party as well.

[@ronhernandez2213]

We found it funny cos it feels like tcg banlist is just milking the player base with the banlist.

[@dewanegara8333]

Nah, as an OCG player, most of US agree that maxx c is an inconvenient, but it’s necessary evil to let more combo piece off banlist and make those combo Deck have less power level compared to tcg one.

[@ryuuohdeltaplus7936]

As an OCG player, this new list looks fine, but I still hate the TCG's blatant use of the banlist for maketing. The TCG made Baronne and Savage affordable, and then they ban it, it literally is the same thing they did in the past

[@kinohara8635]

Snake-Eyes Adventure is looking pretty good atm.

[@jurijlamanna4909]

today I learned about banlist runick

[@leafninja-fox5713]

Question for Josh: Do you think, without immediately dismissing the idea, that Electrumite can come back for Pendulums as well? We've had two omni-negates banned, Pendulum dies to Nibiru very easily, and compared to what most people think: "Oh, Electrumite can NEVER come back, it's too powerful!" But Electrumite has been in Master Duel, and has done NOTHING. I doubt one can argue at Maxx C 'stopping it.' Maybe I'm not aware of something, but I think it'd be okay, surely?

[@quad1948]

Princess to zealantis lets you activate the one copy of electrumite thrice, since he is SOPT LMAO

[@AnimatedCarl]

@@quad1948 And how does that matter if you're losing to Nibiru anyway? And like the other commenter was talking about, that interaction exists in Master Duel and Pendulum Decks are still basically nowhere to be seen. I've been playing Endymion, Pendulum Magician, and Dracoslayers almost exclusively since MD launched and I can count the number of Pendulum "mirrors" on a closed fist.

[@torakandwolf6786]

my z-arc deck is salivating at the idea of it coming back

[@babrad]

@@quad1948 and this is still a huge investment that if you don't already have Jackal/Endymion out you will end your turn on a Nib Token or Imperm/Veiler on Electrum. Despite Maxx C hurting the main deck even more than playing into it, Pend is absolutely fine and actually got its identity back now that it has to rely on Vortex, Jackal, Endymion, or Time Pendulumgraph instead of Baronne/Savage. Hopefully Apollo goes next after the reprint.

[@leafninja-fox5713]

@@quad1948 Well yes, but that doesn't really do much outside of Dracoslayers, as princess will lock you from special summoning something like Astrograph. In order to keep the Electrumite pop you'd have to link off Princess without using up Electrumite, which requires quite a few bodies. It makes it feel like a 'win more' card, as a handtrap could easily prevent that. But uninterrupted with good hands makes it a problem. But with less omni-negates. What will it really accomplish? That combo is still in Master Duel after all

[@bl00by_]

This is a joke. Like I would kind of agree with the banning of omnis if cards like tactics, evenly matched, nib, etc wouldn't exist. This just makes going 2nd against any T2/Rogue deck incredibly broken. Besides that the fact that they didn't hit Snake eyes at all, leaving it at T0 and basically making those hits meaningless is also insane. Even zoodiac got hit after release with Rat to 2, which atleast did something. And then theres also the fact that protos and collosus come off which are two generic cards which shouldn't exist in the game. Combo decks can now literally end on collosus instead of savage by using corridor.

[@Lithosagymfan173]

Also, many decks that relied on Savage and Baronne are now dead; those two saved against things lile Lightning Storm and Dark Hole or Evenly Matched, but now? Hope you have an archetypal negate or protection, otherwise you're dead.

[@bl00by_]

@@Lithosagymfan173 Dragon Link had an archetypal negate AND IT GOT BANNED

[@user-jx1jr3gs8t]

Colossus and protos generic ? This is a joke

[@bl00by_]

@@user-jx1jr3gs8t The condition of Protos can be easily met by many combo decks and nemeses corridor is a 1 card collosus

[@user-jx1jr3gs8t]

@@bl00by_ yes and Kali Yuga and Calamity can be done by a lot of decks but it isn't Because simply it's not worth it jumping through hoops and bricks to make those cards

[@yournamehere8123]

Interesting Banlist, I personally like that they did not go consistency hits on snake-eyes, rather than lower the ceiling. Makes me wonder, this does impact the snake-eyes fire king variant much less right? Maybe we will see some hits there after the rarity collection drops. Maybe even Apo and Accesscode.

[@frankhughes7551]

Incoming Protos and Collossus rarity bump

[@Synactive]

solemn judgement / strike comeback soon

[@ItSpooling_]

They’ve been good this format, where you been?

[@Synactive]

@@ItSpooling_ master duel

[@four-en-tee]

Honestly: Aside from Protos coming back, i'm more or less fine with this list. With all the omni-negate cards in Snake-Eye banned, the deck becomes a lot easier to play against now. Overall this list helps going second builds since decks will now have to exclusively play s/t negation monsters if they want to say no to board breaker spells. I am a bit worried about Chicken Game, but with how common Droll is, maybe things will be fine?

[@strangevol5264]

Chicken Game is a one-of, and even as a three-of, it’s not that great.

[@tame1773]

Chicken game is a mildly better upstart, what deck has room for that

[@lucasalarcon3230]

Chicken is awfull is modern yugioh takes your not engine space only stun will thing about playing this

[@dylanarmstrong9328]

I play stardust synchron and used Baronne. Does hurt a little since Baronne was an easy negate but gonna have to sub out for something else.

[@wretchedgamer4903]

Moki Moki catching strays with this

[@Kaiba0101]

Maybe controversial but leaving apollousa is completely fine - its a link 4 so you either have to summon it as your 5th summon or your opponent had a chance to Nib before it hits the field. Basically Konami has made sure that Nib cant be played around in nost decks, and if you do you end on a significantly weaker board anyway.

[@strangevol5264]

Yeah, Apollo’s cool, but really requires too much investment to be worth a damn. Ambulowhale is shockingly superior.

[@ThunderflySc2]

I feel like hitting borreload/baronne hurts more rogue/funiesh strats

[@Gestalt81]

@@ThunderflySc2It definitely does since those strategies don’t have any strong alternatives. It would be great if those hits happened after Konami starts to provide stronger non generic/in engine options for more decks but eh.

[@lucasalarcon3230]

Apo and little knight are ok if they ban IP masquearena

[@chewdoom8415]

@@strangevol5264 Why would you make amblowhale I non snake eye decks?

[@giuseppepepe4404]

Great list,glad they did that

[@sandythamtono2081]

Josh gonna be happy his skystriker or runic deck can slay fire decks going second consistantly 😂😂

[@JJKobla]

i had nice 5 months with baronne, now its time to say farewell.

[@xDeathWindx]

Fire hits... where? We are in prison boys

[@danthomson5708]

The End board? Hit. The linkuriboh which enabled some degen things? Hit.

[@JoseGomez-qs7tc]

​@@danthomson5708They still have Anima, so they only lost the Imperm dodge

[@JoseGomez-qs7tc]

Just open Nib

[@Jhawk2711]

@@JoseGomez-qs7tclike that’s not a lot. Doesn’t protect apo. Not a cyberse

[@harish5724]

@@JoseGomez-qs7tc They lose heatsoul and apo protection.

[@RGARDL]

01:58 like , banning both synchro omnis all decks can use makes so many deck even more unplayable

[@xantiagoraco9347]

If you play a deck only to make baronne savage, go play a better deck lmao

[@RGARDL]

@xantiagoraco9347 no but there are some decks where that the only lvl8 synchro or synchro that makes sense to play , they should have not ban 1 of those 2 at least , and give more direct hits

[@cuttlefish6839]

​@@RGARDLthose decks in all honesty should just get better support or be forgotten in the trash

[@RGARDL]

@@cuttlefish6839 so all decks that don't have in archetype Omni negate shouldn't be played ? What will we play ?

[@user-jx1jr3gs8t]

Why do you have to make an omni negate ?​@@RGARDL

[@armandonoriega681]

Malicious to 3 is a prelude for the ban of Beatrice

[@alessandrorampa5536]

Idk man, with Infernal flame banshee you can add flag to get either corridor which turns into colossus, or protos. It takes extra deck space and it's not effortless as flipping a trap but it's way more consistent.

[@MDagonic]

For me personally the hits on Savage and Baronne are more than just correct. Over the last couple formats it started to feel like that those two alongside Apo and Access are "untouchable" mainstay staples for the ED. Now with two of them gone - I have hope that those other two can also be hit if a format will make them dominant enough again.

[@JamesHawnn]

Both are in rarity collection 2. Id expect them both to be banned by end of 2024. Access at least has substitutes. You can run borrelsword and its fine

[@autobotstarscream765]

App is Pachinkomoney's way of forcing everyone to run Ghost Ogre and kill Spells.

[@Fanofstuff]

As much as i am happy with the banlist, One of the cope things i think we shouldnt necessarily do is that, the banlist isnt a trade off. Konami doesnt need to "negotiate" and do a give and take with the banlist. They can just remove a bunch of cards or add in a bunch of cards if they want.

[@Tony-hn8qy]

Obviously. Why did you feel the need to type this out?

[@sulfenir2477]

That part with the trade-offs was about comparing good and bad changes on the banlist, evaluating whether the overall impact on the game will be positive or negative.

[@sugar5374]

Protos won‘t see play outside of Swoso and losing Baronne essentially kills that deck otherwise. Colossus isn‘t an issue in MD or OCG so why should it stay banned?

[@spicymemes7458]

​@@Tony-hn8qybecause some people don't get it and still pretend like it's not just used as a marketing tool.

[@sammydray5919]

​@@sugar5374 Because toxic floodgates are still toxic even if their native decks have been power crept

[@Piequalse]

This might make the game playable

[@Kerubu]

Lightsworn finally gets away with minimal collateral. The Baron/Savage loss is still something but we have a lot of level 10 synchros like Chaos Angel and Dispater, and the extra room gives options to add either F0 or Luluwalilith. Naturia Beast and Apollousa will be hard carrying Lightsworn more than ever. I predict the deck still won't be meta but it's gonna be a strong rogue deck finally.

[@autobotstarscream765]

Lightsworn is getting new support, so Pachinkomoney wants to promote it, not gut it. 😂

[@burakyilmaz1273]

Only Problem to consider: A lot of non-meta decks got weaker. So is this really healthy for the game? I dont think so. We have a weaker Tier 1 Deck but with what kind of board you gonna stop them with 6 cards in their hands + 18 Handtrap slots? And they themselve always can make a free apollousa on opponents turn with IP. That Banlist - especially without banning Shifter and Sanctifier is going to make the game less good

[@z1u512]

NATURE IS HEALING

[@Ameagreland]

Prior to this list, it was uni zombie and slayer into Barrone. That line has been sent to the shadow realm. I can still cook with an alternative line. Diviner and slayer into ultimaya into crystal wing. That’s my goal in dealing with nibiru. Thank you for coming to this undead talk 👏👨🏻‍🍳

[@JakeLT64]

If apolousa is now the snake eye go to turn one, change of heart goes crazy

[@yuseifudo6075]

THIS IS THE BEST BANLIST EVER

[@daosxion776]

Inb4 baronne comes back with an errata requiring a fluer tuner and synchro monster.

[@cuttlefish6839]

I would be fine with that these cards should never have been generic

[@Bakatora04]

Need to be hit no OCG for that. I honestly think being only locked for winds decks could be fine errata.

[@Yami0to0hikari]

Just lock the negate behind a fleur monster used for synchro summon hits the card enough imo

[@ravitegar6582]

Well, board breakers gonna be crazy now.

[@Seyfert_]

Haven't played this format but from i've seen did savage need to be banned if linkuriboh was gonna get banned too?

[@buntaro6663]

Relinquished Anima will spike lol

[@rgjs4537]

Why keeping Eletrucmite banned? Release ffs pend are rogue at best even with Eletrucmite+princess etc

[@gyppygirl2021]

Have you seen how long Kirin has been banned, even though it's been powercrept to heck and back? Konami hates pendulums irrationally. Especially in the TCG.

[@christianmendez8262]

I think marshal metal marcher will be used in pure snake eye

[@weneurysm]

Big fan of these hits tbh

[@ExceedSC2]

this list is so unbelievably based, holy shit