We are so close to a Great Format

[@somerandomweeb4836]

If you look past the problems we have no problems -josh 2024

[@CudaWudaShuda]

God you people are insufferable.

[@R3IsL]

we finally have something to replace "people die if they are killed" -shirou

[@ducky36F]

If only there were a way to get rid of the problems that he was suggesting 🤔

[@colossaldonut5190]

Sorry, best I can do is semi-limit Original Sinful Spoils.

[@ch4r7b0xx]

You're so funny i almost laugh

[@alexemp6201]

it's always the third one that gets ya

[@UncleJrueForTue]

Can you throw in a bag a chips?

[@heroman3259]

We arent in the ocg where s:p goes to 2

[@pandaking468]

i would say limit it just specifically for fire kings

[@dominic7100]

Konami limited airlifter 2 months into rescue ace being in a three way tie for best deck yet here we are 4+ months and ash is still unlimited

[@babrad]

Hydrant was getting reprinted anyway so there was no value in the Rescue core. Meanwhile even Poplar and Promethean kept a steady 30$ pricetag as well as helping WANTED stay up. Rescue and Unchained were very interactive decks, neither should have been hit.

[@spyro2002]

I feel like rescue ace was never planned to be meta so they wanted it to be snuffed out real quick.

[@babrad]

@@spyro2002 100% agree. Same with Unchained. Their wording compared to what they want to be meta (Fiendsmith, Promethean, Oak etc) is horrible and severely limits the deck. I actually check the wording on the announcement of new cards and predict if it's going to be meta or not just by that.

[@SamJiangGVYC]

@@babradthat’s really an interesting idea. Are there any examples you can think of?

[@babrad]

@@SamJiangGVYC For example: Promethean - no FIRE material needed - the lock isn't lingering (Coral Anemone), or locks the entire turn (Transcode Talker) - revive doesn't target - doesn't banish itself when revived by its own effect - doesn't use "destroy both" (like unchained) so even if your opponent dodges or you cheat with linkuriboh it still works Tear: - They all actually work under Shifter by doing their individual effect first then mill instead of the opposite sequence meaning they wouldn't resolve - Reino/Kash Tear interaction in general Fiendsmiths: - Lacrimosa summons even from banishment to play around bystial - Lacrimosa adding or Special summoning on demand - Links equip from GY or Field - The Fiendsmith following the "3 effect rule" (a good video on what makes a card meta) just like Poplar

[@jayavila5248]

I agree the current format would be pretty cool if Snake Eye was at a lower power level. Most people stopped playing it at my locals and we’ve been having a blast playing everything else the format has to offer.

[@Wortigon2000]

I haven't seen anyone at locals play snake-eyes around here either. People around here just don't like it, and play whatever else instead. I did see a very annoying stun deck with a horus engine though..., and tenpai, and surprisingly, even Blue-Eyes Chaos MAX. That card is a pain in the a$$ to get rid of with my good old traptrixes, as the highest my monsters go for attacking is 3500. So I had to slot in an Avramax for the extra deck. (I miss 2 cards for the Utopia combo that hits for 10k)

[@branded1010]

So if we pretend FIRE doesnt exist its a great format, got it

[@haydenz0]

huh? Banning OSS hurts every fire deck bar Salad,

[@ferdyoktav]

Ban OSS hurt many decks that can run Sinful Spoil engine for Level 1 Fire which is good

[@jeanpitre5789]

Rescue ace wishes it could compete

[@ducky36F]

if only he were suggesting some form of limiting or forbidding list to change that...

[@geiseric222]

I think it’s funny Josh wants to keep it realistic and then advocates OSS getting banned. They are never doing that, ash will get banned before that

[@dominic7100]

I don’t want the witch stuff to be hit because that’s not the unfair part of the deck. But banning oss does cut off 7 starters

[@OsirusHandle]

tbh oss doesnt even link into white woods so why would they care

[@geiseric222]

@@dominic7100 that’s the thing, I doubt they are ever interested in just killing the star part of the engine. At least if you completely ban wanted Star isn’t a dead card

[@tame1773]

Snash is a probally a better ban anyway

[@s2-railgun718]

@@OsirusHandle other decks can use OSS. yes, banning OSS would be an easy solution to nerfing snake-eye without killing the deck but OSS would be useful on a lot of deck. i think banning snake-eye ash would hurt snake-eye, they still can do their combo yet they dont have a 1 card + 4 anymore.

[@Mattscardcorner206]

Oak to 2 and call it a day

[@somerandomweeb4836]

The memes that will come out of that will be insane

[@n_if]

i mean they alrdy did with sp to 2​@@somerandomweeb4836

[@Protech428]

Bro 😂

[@reisen9584]

Nah, oak to 2 and oss and 2, best changes ever

[@mgm3649]

I know!!! It's always the third one that gets you!!!

[@Gamemyster1991]

The problem with kashtira fenriha is decks use it as a crutch to win games that they shouldn't win

[@TheBiggBopper]

I love Branded, and I play it, but i absolutely refuse to puppet lock or ido lock or whatever because i hate floodgates straight up, its unfun, non-interactive, and uninteresting.

[@DBZFanZ68]

I agree 🤝🏿 but we're way past a format where players want to have fun ☠️ might as well show snake eyes players that they can't do those combos if they can't play at all to be fair

[@Wortigon2000]

The solution to snake eye has always been simle. Ban Poplar. Poplar has like 3 effects that could make it viable competitively even one by one. All 3 on one card is just too many. White Albion isn't necessarily a problem card I think. At least not for the puppet lock. The card that actually performs the lock would be the obvious hit. The only reason I see for hitting White Albion is the FTK. (Summon Beelze to the opponent's side, and something that can do burn damage to ours. Let's say, We have Black Winged Assault Dragon on our side. We summon White Albion to give Beelze to our opponent, and bring back a Nothung for ourselves. Nothung will burn the opponent for 800 ppoints, than the chain starts, with Beelze reacting to burn damage by getting stronger, and BWAD reacting to Beelze by dealing more burn damage.) OCG hit tenpai. Tenpai beat me in locals last time, in round 1. I'm all for hitting it. The reason why people feel Fenrir is broken, is because it's free. It's a free summon for a level 7, which is generally great as material for a lot of xyz/synchro plays, And also has great effects in itself. There's a reason why it's at 1 in Master Duel. I mean I have 2 copies in MD myself, but I wouldn't even mind if it got banned. Sadly due to it's attribute, some of my best decks can't really make use of it. Maybe my Traptrixes could, as those are all earth attribute too, but those rely mostly on the number of cards, and being level 4, rather than going for higher levels. Now for the floodgates: down with them. ANY card that can restrict play as much as the floodgates you listed here on their own don't deserve to be playeable. Shifter? Yuck... burn it. Skill Drain? should have been burnt to a crisp years ago. down with it as well. TCBOO? into the shredder. Rivalry of Warlords is in an odd situation in my head. As it doesn't even hit many decks that run pure, without throwing random staples in. But still, most of the decks I play would like at least 2-2 typings on the field. Let's say Plant/Insect; or Winged-beast/Dragon; or Spellcaster/Dragon... yeah, that last one actually applies to 3 of my 5 most used decks... Heck, fiend/dragon would be a good pairing too. Dragons just go very well with everything. Anti spell fragrance, I couldn't really care about any less. I don't think that's a problem card. Heck, if they want to keep floodgates, keep the ones that can be turned against their user. Like Secret Villiage of the Spellcasters. I don't think Apollousa is a floodgate though. by definition. It has a similar effect, but it doesn't straight up sais you can't activate stuff, it just sais that your opponent has x attempts to say no. Don't get me wrong, verypowerful card, and a pain in the a$$ to deal with, but that's all it is. Not technically a floodgate. You can activate stuff, it just might not resolve. With floodgates, you can't activate them either. This doesn't stop benefficial costs. Floodgates do. That's why it's called a negate, and not a floodgate. Like Baronne, or Borreload Savage were. And really, those 2 getting hit right after the sales from 25th anniversary rarity collection 1 were about done, where BOTH were rerun is a straight up dick move from Konami. Considering that I:P, Apollousa, and Accesscode are in the 25th anniversary rarity collection 2, I can sadly imagine another banwave arriving for Apollousa, or maybe even I:P once that pack's sales are about done... The 1 "floodgate" you included here that I don't like seeing on this list of yours is King Calamity. I heard that there's something called Centurion that can easily bring it out, and hence it became more broken than it was, but considering that it got pre-banned in MD before centurions arrived, not much after the Red Dragon Archfiend support was removed from the available packs, I find this to be a scummy move. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who built a Red Dragon Archfiend deck that's based on that very card being an option. With 12 starters to get the materials on the field for it; and 9 cards that could get me the ability to synchro on my opponent's turn. As 1 card combos. So 1-1 card of both category = calamity lock. Without Calamity, Red Dragon Archfiend is kind of a dead archetype, with the only 2 cards that might see play from it being Red Supernova Dragon in Synchron decks, and Hot Red Dragon Archfiend Abyss in Blackwings. (Don't ask. It's basically a free extension, and results in having an omni negate. Just fits there really well. Alternatively, I could have used Baronne there too, if I find another blackwing tuner that's level 2, and is a free summon except Vata. Sharnga I guess could work for that. Unless I'm locked into dark monsters, because that'd mean no Baronne. I'll have to check that.)

[@vwnbylc3796]

Cant wait for gimmick puppet otks and tenpai support

[@Ragnarok540]

FTK*

[@galaxyvulture6649]

Yeah that ftk is going to force people to run handtraps droll, dd crow, and ogre. Maybe even that life gain handtrap

[@Virulence-xb2rv]

can't wait for fiendsmith

[@galaxyvulture6649]

@@Virulence-xb2rv It actually is so much fun (when you use it for its intended purposes). Magical musketeer runick became part of my top 5 favorite decks bc of fiendsmith. I love that card so much I even run it with the new metalmorph cards.

[@Virulence-xb2rv]

@@galaxyvulture6649 let's be real, it's going to be used as a 1-1.5 card Beatrice nobody is or will use it for its intended use except people on a yugioh emulator

[@thepieguyinthesky2363]

2:17 Kinda similar at my LGS, the only players who play snake-eyes are the ones who do it to practice for an upcoming tournament

[@654321yhtaeD]

to me i like fenrir, because any deck that needs a discard can serch feneir. meaning that i get extender/ disruption + one discard for cards like cinet mining, droplet, super polly.

[@notaliveandnotdead]

Circular to 3 let's gooooo

[@fn2025]

We need to semi sp just like the ocg. The 3rd sp is the problem

[@hamster6216]

banning calamity, no one cares putting s:p to 2 wa wa ocg banlist bad

[@T3pz]

Js ban it altogether I don’t have 100 dollars for a single card 😭

[@verbalengine95]

The other thing to consider is that while OSS is a 1 of in current builds, it is essentially just one for one, so when if they hit the consistency cards, you could absolutely play more than 1 OSS to make up for it Yes the fiendsmith stuff is better but if you for some reason WANTED to play Snake-Eyes pure, you could

[@Avermra]

Circular to 5, Fountain to -3

[@LuckyLucho_01]

Electrumite to 10

[@geek593]

No, the format outside of Snake-Eyes isn't healthy, interesting, or "great". It costs nothing for someone to say what we will never have is actually good because it will never be tested. But we all know how dogshit it feels to play against every deck on that tournament tops list. Fiendsmith coming soon snaps the game again whether Snake-Eyes is removed or not. We're at a point where the fix will only ever be temporary until the next set ruins the game again.

[@sluggernott]

Josh has changed his stance on Snake-Eye. I feel like a lot of players do that. "I dont enjoy the deck, it doesn't create a healthy environment" The evidence is in his videos somewhere, but he definitely praised it as a fun deck to play just a few months ago. As per usual, yugioh players get sick of the best deck being the best deck. This is why the banlist exists, right? It's also why powercreep exists. People want something different to play. We all find a deck(or a few) that we like to go back to to play because it's fun, but most modern players wanna play new stuff. Novelty is fun. You also have to blame the players to an extent. Everyone gravitates towards a deck that wins, because people like to win. That's why the decks get expensive. Good cards are scarce and cost more. There's a premium to owning the cards for the best deck. So people are simultaneously priced out/in deep. It's also frustrating to spend 800$ on a deck, then watch those prices tank. its the give and take. I really liked snake-eyes before it got it's big support wave in prom princess and popular and before everyone started abusing the zealantis line. It's annoying to see a deck I liked, become a powerhouse and everyone hates on it. Like with a lot of people, Josh went from "This is a cool, powerful, uniquely interactive deck" to his current take. It'll happen again, too. With the next Top deck. Give it 6 months.

[@Antithesismanifest]

Absolutely agree i hecking love my flamberge, by the time the next top deck drop i give 2 months before people start being mad again.

[@simonpetrikov3992]

Unless the banlist severely nerfs snake eyes by then. Snake eyes will be best deck

[@Reflecter16]

I appreciate you having a more open and less deck crushing perspective on bans and hits. People see problems with a deck and instantly want to destroy the entire strategy rather than a rebalance.

[@haydenz0]

yknow what, i'll agree you with you on that despite my disagreements with Joshua

[@bobshnitzel2608]

I still remember seeing a Reddit guy on r/masterduel saying we need to ban Fallen of Albaz lol

[@ddynamite3835]

on the topic on why plants aren't here, I agree with you when you said that they only did so well because the players who played them were good however I say that konami has banned cards that have homogenized a type of deck building, electrumite with pendulums, isolde with warriors, halq with tuners, etc. and well frankly aromaseraphy jasmine does this for plants, personally I don't think they need to hit plants but it is consistent with what konami has done in the past

[@unamusedwaffle]

No mention of D Barrier :/

[@bobby45825]

"it's only cool when I'm completely unaffected by it". - Josh probably.

[@ConnorGrummer]

Every time I see Zealantis it commits four war crimes, punches me in the face and summons a Promethean Princess and honestly I'm the most mad about the Princess

[@donaxygo]

Promethean princess -> no i like that other decks can use it Oss -> ban it, I dont want other decks to use it

[@PhenomenalVibez]

It's cause you can't stop OSS as easy as you can stop Princess

[@matija9540]

Promethean ws made as a generic FIRE support. It’s used as it’s meant to be used. OSS quite literally has “Snake Eye” in the name. It’s meant to be a “Snake Eye” card, not an engine piece jammed in everything.

[@plastictrumpet6862]

Promethean Princess -> generic goodstuff extra deck card that allows all fire decks to add to their plays while not becoming the sole focus of it OSS -> archetype card that allows every deck to access into a single archetype with minimal loss and insane returns This is like comparing Rusty Bardiche and Knightmare Mermaid when Orcust was around

[@Unknownz000]

Oss is a pivot from snake eyes into literally any fire deck right now. So you do your snake eyes full combo then Oss into another full combo of any fire deck. That's an issue. However, reborning one and a pop during your opponent's turn for fire decks is absolutely not the issue rn. The issue is that every single fire deck can just run the entire snake eyes core and become 300% better as a deck by comboing through 3 hand traps.

[@donaxygo]

You guys should read your own points and evaluate how laughable they are. You can't stop oss as easy as princess? Original having minimal losses (while princess quite literally doesn't have any)? Just say you want your pet deck to keep abusing the yet another broken ass link extender

[@Ether_Liner_Ado_Edem]

Josh's hate boner for circular is so hilarious😂

[@somerandomweeb4836]

And irrational. Compared to the starters we have now circular isn't stronger than those.

[@BasicLee_]

@@somerandomweeb4836 it's not strong, just boring to play against tbh

[@somerandomweeb4836]

@@BasicLee_ so are a lot of other cards still legal

[@pocketfluffal2134]

​@somerandomweeb4836 No more irrational than a literal whataboutism, surely? Other stupid cards existing doesn't stop this stupid card from being stupid. My understanding is that the hate is not about power. It is about design

[@somerandomweeb4836]

@@pocketfluffal2134 never said what you're claiming, just said that boring to play against isn't an argument.

[@axx2003]

“Snake-eyes Flamberge Dragon” and “gimmick puppet nightmare” are the two main cards to be forbidden for the tcg.

[@Ragnarok540]

There are a lot of replacements for the gimmick puppet, the problem is sanctifire.

[@constantinegarganta8364]

The problem is sanctifire. If they ban gimmick puppets, they'll just use Ra's disciple

[@anhkienhoang3212]

I dont think there is any replacement that is 100% nope like Scythe or Puppet. Ra's Disciple and D/D Orthros cant be send by Granguignol. Ido can be Tributed

[@elfyar5786]

​@@Ragnarok540 the difference being you have counterplay even if those replacements hit your board. you can droplet jowgen away but puppet lock stays. that being sad ban the fusion

[@justinfournier2521]

@@Ragnarok540 I mean sanctifire or puppet could be banned and result in the same thing, there are other floodgate monsters but none of them can be dumped with gran and lingers for the turn. The other monsters that can be summoned are a lot easier to out (send them with droplet, eclipse, book of moon, tribute over, e-con, send to gy) while also still having weakness to any graveyard manipulation (bystial, called by, crow, foolish returns). This would make branded not rely on that combo as it would be too weak to board breakers/interruptions.

[@LIKEMIKE593]

Ive been sitting on this idea, and its a pipedream wish list but give them the Tear treatment like : Flameberge to 1 Ash to 1 Poplar to 1 OSS to 1 Oak to 2 Then if Snake Fire King comes back and is a problem, adjust as needed

[@hasan7275]

i just don’t believe in banning OSS. Diabellstar engine is not the problematic part of the engine, it’s also not snake eye ash or oak or even poplar. it’s flamberge. Ban flamberge.

[@filipemoura1119]

Sadly i think that only original is banned we'll still have a toxic format. Flamerge NEEDS to go or almost nothing changes...

[@ryionizer3622]

Flamberge has to be banned

[@doughbag2951]

OOS banned would kill every single Fire deck that Snake-Eyes was supposed to help but completely overshadowed. Flameburg ban would only kill Snake-Eyes pure and would leave those other decks intact. It's 100% the correct card to ban.

[@greenhillmario]

@@doughbag2951 Original sinful spoils overshadows every single reason to play wanted and diabellstar in other decks, and is also a banworthy card. Did you know she has an effect besides set original sinful or wanted? Snake eyes do need a hit as well besides oss but let's not use "overshadowing other cards" as an excuse when oss does the same for other sinful spoils cards

[@dominic7100]

@@greenhillmarionah, banning oss limits deck building and doesnt actually hurt snake eyes enough. They lose 7 starter/extenders which is nice, but they still have 8 and then just fill it with 7 fiendsmith cards Edit: oh ya, the fs stuff gets you to engine so it actually does nothing to snake

[@randumo24]

This talk is the kind of dumbass talk that only happens from YGO players who don't understand how ban-lists are supposed to actually work. Ban-lists are supposed to balance the game, not destroy decks to make them unplayable. Konami has warped YGO player's views to believe decks need to be destroyed when in reality this happens to sell new cards.

[@dominic7100]

@@randumo24no one’s said anything about making snake unplayable, flamberge doesn’t kill the deck but definitely makes it less helmet. “I don’t have to worry about any interaction because I have 15 starter/extenders and several ways to play through nib plus 18 non engine slots to stop them if they did open multiple hand traps”.

[@geomy7]

I only very recently (around april 2023) got into yu-gi-oh at all since I always wanted to try it but only ever watched the anime from time to time. Started with Duellinks because it was easy to get into and recently (around may 2024) I started master duel. In both games I always go with what I think LOOKS cool from the card art. In Duellinks I ended up playing rokkets as a synchro deck, Phantom knights and Fluffals and in Master Duel i discovered snake eyes and virtualworld and thought (and still think) that the designs go incredibly hard especially Flamberge and Shenshen and I just feel so bad spending a lot of time on a combo only to end up on good cards like appolousa or the big ass water dragon (forgot what he's called) when they don't fit into the deck at all so I started just playing around fire themed extra deck monsters and even dropping a few hand traps that don't fit (like Maxx C). As a new player I just think it's so incredibly unfun to combo into big negate/wipe cards with little to no difference each game and much more fun to play just cool monsters I know this is probably just me not taking the game seriously since I don't really care about climbing the ranks ( I reached platinum in duellinks once and am gold 3 in masterduel) but I just think that limiting yourself from staple cards that everyone plays is just so much fun and feels more of the old way playing the game (at least like I always saw it in the anime). I'm about to bring a TCG fluffal deck without any staple cards (aside from an effect veiler I got from my Mom a few years back) and probably just gonna have a little fun spamming the silly whale. I'm sorry for yapping I just wanted to share this since I've been watching a lot of these videos about the recent formats and wanted to share a newer more casual players perpective Have fun everyone :)

[@whomixdthatfire5828]

No Appo. No Oss. No Sanc. Just ban all the cards that lock all at once. They need to go. And they need to hit snake eyes field spell ban it.

[@antoniorios8702]

The correct ban is oak since it cuts off extension while keeping the main promethian line, banning original means cutting off extension for other decks like infernoid and infernoble and rescue

[@indescrepit9973]

oak is not extension. the only thing an Oak ban accomplishes is a smaller end board. Snake-Eye end board is NOT the problem

[@thomask1565]

Habe mir gerade wieder dass tv total Video angeschaut ist einfach schon 8 Jahre her 😅😮 damals warst sehr gut und heutzutage bist einfach einer der besten 🎉

[@skiletkilla]

Knowing Konami they'll say yhey "fixed" the format by banning all the other decks besides snake eyes

[@Quicksilver20233]

Sad fact is we’re in for an arguably worse format with yubel and fiendsmith on the horizon

[@robertbauerle5592]

I don't think yubel is *that* bad, POY is like the only card in that deck that actually feels too strong, that and maybe the unchained package being tied together with their already fairly powerful end board. At the very least that deck needs to play a lot more engine than snake-eyes, so you won't have to contend as much with hand traps when facing down their ridiculous 5 interruption end board. Fiendsmith tho... yea I'm not super interested in that format. Not to mention there will be a real FTK deck being played around with as well.

[@lucasalarcon3230]

Yubel is not that bad they run more bricks and they have bigger choke points

[@prime3389]

Fiendsmith might actually do irreparable damage and could result in a mass wave of quitting for this game, if we spend 6 months sitting through this dogshit format and then the next thing we experience is all the fiendsmith nongameplay turnskip and youtube combo decks, I dont know how many people will have the patience to wait the next 4 months for the banlist that ends up doing nothing

[@silvermushroom-gamifyevery6430]

Bruh, players just went through sprights, tear zero, and shangri-la for 9 in quick succession, AND THEN THEY DROPPED STACKS FOR ASH COMPARE HANDS FORMAT! Yugioh players are doormat paypigs and aren’t quitting anything, simple as that.

[@GhostofTChalla]

Not true at all, Tear format did irreparable damage to locals across the nation, most places got their yugioh player base cut in half. But I do agree yugioh players take too much of Konami’s crap especially recently.​@@silvermushroom-gamifyevery6430

[@AllHailShadow117]

If Sanctifire had to grab a monster specifically from the owners graveyards respectively it would be far less bullshit

[@brockfg]

Ban flamberge not OSS

[@princiedv]

I understand how many issues Sanctifire causes but as someone who uses it ethically, I will miss it if it goes. I wish the card could only target cards with "Fallen of Albaz" in the text or something. 😢

[@dudono1744]

I think the degenerate lock cards should only work on their owner's field to prevent abuse. While I don't play Branded, I know there is a silly otk line in Drytron that involves giving your opponent a Drytron and attacking with Blue-Eyes Chaos Max. Giving monster enables sick plays.

[@f.b.iagent3971]

This would be a wild take today

[@Enclosure_2k]

Why do you want to ban sancfire? just ban puppet lock. No one uses that card outside branded. A sancfire ban will kill the deck.

[@skyzip4k171]

Josh: hates consistency hits. Also josh: wants to ban oss

[@cantcommute]

11:10 how is that the point you were literally talking about temple lines that have nothing to do with splashing other archtypes in snake eyes

[@cantcommute]

maybe the editor cut it out of context

[@grodon909]

I think one of the best things about yugioh is the game right under the meta. Like, a lot of sub-meta decks are decently competent and can give you fun and interesting matches at various skill levels. I wish there were some official "non meta" format where we could see what people brew.

[@bladearmorginga6582]

Honestly huge character growth from Josh saying that plants don’t need to be hit.

[@Alexalibur13]

Ban poplar. That card does everything, it is the kitkallos of deck.

[@skyzip4k171]

Btw what the fuck is the diabell engine suppossed to do without oss? Just be a level 7 body that gets you nothing?

[@UnknownOwl65]

Calling it now, please comment below if i get it right when the list drops: Skill drain -untouched Anti spell - banned Gimmick puppet - banned Branded fusion - semi Bow of the goddess - untouched I:p - untouched Flamberge - banned Snake eyes ash - limited Dimension shifter - semi

[@SharkTCG_]

I would not ban original for the same reason of Promethean, other decks can play the wanted engine (like Infernoid) and it’s fine inside them, while banning Poplar (or Flamberge to be more strict) would make Snake Eye no longer T0, but like T2-3, i can’t really see other hits since Ash is an OTS 25 ultimate rare and Konami doesn’t hit those cards (Like Reinoheart for Tear)

[@xarod512]

If they hit oss rescue ace is dead aswell and i like that deck :( they should only hit snakeeye cards

[@Camelotsmoon]

Tbh I find talking about cards that could come off the ban list more interesting in a way. Every new banlist people complain about the same cards that should be banned, we wait, it doesn't happen, then repeat in 2-3 months. It would be refreshing to talk about something people don't talk about.

[@FellowIntello]

As a Snake-Eye player, it’s funny how nobody wants the field spell banned. It’s EASILY the one card that invalidates EVERY handtrap ever printed except shifter/imperm/veiler. Think about it, they search it first even over OSS cause they KNOW they can play through nibiru, dark ruler, Droll, and in the OCG - Maxx C. It’s a searchable magical mid breaker field. Remove that, snake eyes cannot repair their boards and even if they make crazy lines with OSS, they now play into Nibiru.

[@prime3389]

I dont know what combination of alchemy resulted in a world where I genuinely enjoy the master duel format more than TCG, but here we are. Fire King is fun!

[@ScallopGaming]

Just ban every single level 1 fire monster ;)

[@videogamesarecool9280]

noooo, flamveil guard my beloved!

[@UncleJrueForTue]

@@videogamesarecool9280 Let's not forget the Goat, Jurrac Aeolo.

[@lz9275]

​@@UncleJrueForTue Not the tuna!

[@colossaldonut5190]

We call this the Halqifibrax solution

[@ferdyoktav]

Knowing its Konami probably this what they will do (and i won't suprised if they does),remember about Halqifibrax? They hitting the Tuners instead of dealing with main problem directly

[@hahathatsgreat2]

But how does these changes make Konami more money? You forgot the part about why they really put things on the banlist.

[@xerospades]

So I have a question. I understand. Everybody's hate for floodgates. I've only noticed people only play two lightning storm and duster for those. So if they ban all floodgates does that mean that people are just going to abandon back row removal in general? Since people already don't want to side in back row hate as it is.

[@ThunderflySc2]

Not at all, since there still decks that use their back row :) At least I wouldn't, I still want to take out voiceless back row, branded lost, temple etc. etc.

[@lorenzocampici7885]

Y'know what would save the format? Circular to 3 Ash is basically circular kinda anyway

[@batrickburner]

the melee shine used to censor threw me for a loop ngl had to make sure i was still watching a ygo vid

[@MiyaoMeow588]

Nah, i wanna fw Infernoid so OSS stays You can ban Flamberge though if you want

[@ZarkionUltimate]

Hot take: Snake-Eye 1 card combos aren't a problem it's the lack of engine requirement which allows them to play so much non-engine that is the problem this becomes even more apparent when comparing the deck to a similar one like Rescue-ACE.

[@AlphaSquadZero]

Really the problem is what the hand traps are doing, if they only helped the player who activated them on their subsequent turn the game could grow in a lot better of a direction.

[@AverageInternetCitizen]

Can we *please* hurry up and ban DShifter? It's genuinely the most toxic card in the game, against certain decks it is quite literally a free win before the first turn even starts. I have had to consider MAIN DECKING Called By in my zero hand trap LIGHTSWORN deck because you can't even pay cost for solar recharge or light brigade or any other archetype card under a DShifter, and it's a deck that actually does use banishment, which is even more absurd. And even then, I have a 5-6/42 chance to draw the card, it does nothing for my archetype, and more often than not it's just going to be a wasted mill. That is ridiculous.

[@esrohm6460]

plants are like branded just different. play any spell trap ever and plants are no longer a problem. lab basicaly can't lose to plant, it's just that thats the only non monster combo deck ever

[@lz9275]

Just Activate skill drain, ez

[@kaitoshiki7782]

Ban Flamberge and keep the SE-SS as a great splashable engine that help other strategies be playable until they (if they) get support to close the gaps. (E.g - T.G, Infernoble etc)

[@Bird1912]

What about super poly? I know it isn't in a lot of decks but it's a strong card

[@BezimiennyMarcel]

It's so cool that Konami allows Josh to make banlists now

[@colossaldonut5190]

They got the Circular Ban right but must’ve misheard him with the plant hits.

[@nauticoom]

Josh I’m honestly surprised of your banlist predictions. Usually they’re good

[@aetherwolf9288]

2 things. 1. Bonfire is a RoTA for Pyro. RoTA is limited so limit Bonfire or release RoTA. 2. Princess is the unhealthiest card in the format. Its an Ash protection with Hieta, an end board piece, an extender and OtK enabler for 3 ED slots (Raging, Phoenix and Zealantis). This is just stupid. Ban Princess, limit Poplar, limit Bonfire and SE is a deck that more often than not dies to a single interruption. FK would also lose a decent chunk of its power but with Ulcanix it is still very much playable. Also Salad would still be viable as they have Code of Soul and Raging Phoenix, Pyro Phoenix combo (also Will of the Salads). The reasoning behind Polar limit is that the deck now has just a 12.5% chance to brick hard and Princess ban makes Ash a good card against this deck.

[@thierrydebrunhoff5869]

doesn‘t flamberge limit already do a lot?

[@Kkkracker]

No just play FkSe

[@donaxygo]

No, you can play 1 flamberge and 1 snake eye diabellstar and you're fine. some are already doing that. Second flamberge only helps at making hope harbinger

[@HapsterHap]

Not really, a lot of the times you’re siding out the second flamberge anyway. It only lowers the ceiling and maybe grind by just a tiny bit. They would certainly have to do more.

[@darkvictory21]

How do you feel about spell canceler?

[@babrad]

Limit Poplar + Flamberge, then ban Oak. That doesn't kill the deck but it's still strong without touching WANTED ($$ reprint in future) or SnAsh (gets Ulti). I believe this list won't eradicate Snakes anyway, it feels like they have 1 more list for the Tear treatment (where it's simply Poplar/Flam getting banned). But I would be happy if I'm wrong and Flam is just banned since I got bored of playing Snakes in March.

[@joniro5947]

I think poplar should go to 1 so he becomes a sub optimal starter when you draw him, because you cant just search your second copy. Also I think IP should go, because Im sick of seeing her in any deck ever, and in terms of snake eye its just another way to get flamberg into the gy during the opponents turn. Besides these two hits Id also make Wanted limited and maybe flamberg limited. That would propably make snake eyes a whole lot more fair without killing it and its strategy completely

[@geminitricks2332]

Tbh I can see the limit to ash an oak ban is something Konami would do

[@viniciusalonso9784]

Ban oss would bring down a lot the power of decks like fire king, rescue ace, TG, any type of deck with a lvl 1 starter wants this card, also, having to choose a snake eye card to hit, I would ban poplar and limit wanted and ash, flamberge is only good if it’s on the field, having on hand it’s a big brick, so now, snake eye decks have to find a way to bring ash to the field without touching the normal summon, as now the card can’t start combos without poplar (probably people will start running birch but it doesn’t have the search capability of poplar)

[@gravemind76]

Limit: Diabellstar Wanted Ash Tenpai field spell Semi limit: Bonfire Or bann princess And see how it plays

[@azaantahir9399]

We must make josh sign Raye so he can give it away

[@DBZFanZ68]

Puppet lock is necessary. All the boards ending in onmi negates than Maxx C on your turn needs to be responded with equal toxicity

[@FluoriteRhodochrosite]

Wrong game, also are you commenting from two years ago?

[@DBZFanZ68]

1) made this account less than 6 months ago so you got the wrong guy 🤝🏿😂 2) just because dbz is in my username don't mean I didn't grow up playing Goat format; only difference is we played with 4k life points instead of 8 to make duels quicker

[@davelee144]

FREE SPYRAL MASTER PLAN

[@absoln1ght]

the only thing holding back this format plus the next up-coming one is snake eyes and turn lock ftks (puppet) yubel is in my eyes the perfect example of a tier 1 deck it has alot feels overwhelming but in reality its not at all hell the yubel mirrors are gonna be insane to watch due to the amount of interraction.

[@krizzz7940]

Free Ultimate offering :) would love to see that card see some play again. And no "Ultimeat offering" isn't an option

[@Cybertech134]

We were so close same time last year, too, until Konami released another two powercreep sets in a row.

[@JohnnyCruzEnt]

IMO skill drain shouldn’t Be limited. It’s a double edge sword in today meta game, it just reduces and slows the game state to simple mathematics, yeah my monsters are Bigger than yours, cry about it,😂

[@TheMeetymeet]

I don't know. I'm very strong on I:P in getting a ban. Sure the card is great for what it can do, but I'm also annoyed at the fact that it's always one of the Link monsters that can essentially turn into "anything" that you can least expect and more Link monsters are to be made and something like I:P will usually come up, if it's able to go into those monsters. I do agree though, cards like Flamberge are what make I:P abusable, but it's bound to be a card that'll have to go.

[@knechd7542]

maybe ban the cards masq goes into like apollo and s:p. cards like goddess and unicorn werent really problem in my opinion.

[@TheMeetymeet]

@@knechd7542 I'm still for Apo getting banned, I'm of the opinion in how far a card like I:P can go without also making cards like S:P essentially become quick effects.

[@David-hw9si]

IP should be banned, but it won't happen this format due to RA02 reprint. Another 1-2 season? maybe. Same thing with Apo. The issue with IP isn't just with making things like S:P but also linking things off to trigger their floating effect twice as often as they should. This was an issue with Orcust and Babel (for its time) when you are using all of their graveyard effect twice as often, and I:P is contributing to that with cards like Flamberge.

[@babrad]

@@knechd7542 If you think about SP itself, it's just a good boardbreaker tool or weak disruption for turn 1 plays when it's not summoned by IP. Cards that cheat extra deck mechanics always break card design when they are generic (Super Poly, Crimson Dragon, RUM PK Launch, IP)

[@knechd7542]

@@babrad yeah maybe its just i:p and apo that are problem cards

[@benjithealien]

What about Zealantis?

[@liamjohnen8426]

its so sad that snake eyes is so dominant i just want to loop infernoid decatron 5 times with them ._.

[@silvermushroom-gamifyevery6430]

I’ll never understand how players willing to drop two plus stacks to play interrupt 6 format in another country, can have such eternal hatred for pop me or chill decks.

[@bachouvenn3563]

We need an Albaz + Fire monster for Branded, because Albaz in the lore already has powers from the Springans (all fire) why not make a fire Albaz fusion

[@skyzip4k171]

They still need to limit samgan summoning

[@zenbozic6184]

other than gimmick puppet, im looking forward to a post banlist info release, even tho fiendsmith is strong if they just ban beatrice and nerf snake eye, format would be pretty fun (maybe also remove shifter from ritual beasts)

[@dominicmallano5633]

Banning OSS does nothing. There’s a bunch of 1 card snake eye combo replacements like ostinato and fiendsmith

[@RichiSpilleso]

Nice dann kann ich ein paar Schönheiten die ich in Japan gezogen habe direkt graden lassen. Perfekt danke Joschua werde mir die Seite mal anschauen. Die Tenpai zahlen haben mich krass positiv überrascht, hätte nicht gedacht das es so eine Welle schlagen wird. Mir fehlen leider noch 3 Baidora und Genroku der neue habe ich hier in Japan auch noch nicht gezogen.

[@ukg_omega962]

Konami: let’s not hit flamberge two formats into its peak… Also Konami: let’s ban Kashtira ariseheart Like no ban flamberge fuck it

[@dragoran149]

Sometimes I ask myself that Konami new banlist policy got heavenly influenced by Josh. That results if he never started streaming we do have a different banlist by now

[@Mr_Mike97190]

Everyone talking about snake-eye stuff…are we just gonna ignore the fact at 18:15 he calls ritual beast a new archetype. Like dude, do your research. That archtype is almost a decade old!! Came out in the secret forces in 2015. Also it makes no sense what you said about keeping shifter around because it keeps snake eyes in check. Yet you hit it enough to where snake eyes is no longer an issue, therefore, since it’s no longer the best deck, shifter can get hit.

[@domenikosmagac2338]

Josh you need to test Ice Barrier Runick asap

[@ejstephens7918]

For Snake Eyes I think I'd like to see: Ash to 1 Flamberge to 1 Field spell banned This lowers consistency, hurts its ability to beat Nib, and lowers the ceiling a little. I think that makes it manageable, but I'd like to see Beatrice banned as well if this is all they do.

[@Kkkracker]

Absolute trash hits. It would still be Snake eye format just bot pure but Fk

[@jakejohn7619]

very good point，with field and two flamberge， Nib really could not do anything to SE deck

[@yasyashin]

we still have one for one

[@geminitricks2332]

Tbh if you can thank snake eyes for anything it that it got so many toxic cards in the format banned cause Konami didn’t wanna hit them

[@javomw2]

JOSH! JOSH, can you make a video detailing your colossal hate for the lord Mathmech Circular? we deserve to know

[@geek593]

He lost to Mathmech at a regional, said he didn't like the deck, it became a stream meme, that meme escaped into the greater culture, and Konami took it as a reason to toss it on the 25th anniversary banlist.

[@hildemaromeneses6225]

Thanks god format in my locals have like 8 different decks

[@christianmccall4126]

If they hit OSS they need to give me back air lifter :(