It's Over For Cheaters

[@KingOfKarma]

I once cheated in a game of tag, I hope those consequences don't come back to haunt me

[@skeletonman95]

Congrats your first

[@afkolayr4789]

@@skeletonman95 im going to tell my teacher about this

[@okkanii]

20 years in prison

[@i_282]

The FBI is on their way

[@kiamehrgh3081]

I need the full story with details tell me now

[@uruburus5203]

Imagine the software releases and suddenly the Skill ceiling in evry game drops by half

[@DrunkedOwly]

Lmao

[@Bruh-os6yp]

God I hope fucking exposing the whole community

[@jimmy5516]

wouldnt surprise me. I remember csgo back in the older days was a lot easier than it is now. Gold Nova players now play like global elites in 2016-2017 and i doubt its because the skillceiling has raised drastically like that.

[@Franc1sc0]

@@jimmy5516 average malding gold nova mentality

[@TheAnimefool]

@@jimmy5516 no way that’s true csgo ranks now aren’t worth shit back in the day global meant something

[@zero-ej6rt]

Opera GX ending pyro's entire career with a ONE screenshot without saying a word has got to be my favorite moment of all time

[@OfficiallySnek]

So I'll get banned in the future if I use a LEGO auto clicker on cookie clicker? We truly live in a society

[@EmeraldBanks]

Currently building the Lego City Prison for you 😡

[@atwistedb]

@@EmeraldBanks I’ll just eat my way out

[@icespeaker81]

Good. Skill issue

[@Tomatosaladz]

​@@atwistedb wait

[@editdotexe]

@@EmeraldBanks "SOMEONE HAS CHEATED IN LEGO CITY!"

[@_P2M_]

I think a good thing to do to prevent cheaters from trying to one-up the anti-cheat is to never explicitly let them know that they got caught. Do not ban them, do not kick them, do not warn them. Just silently move them to servers filled with more of their kind. I think Valve did this with Trust Factor in CS:GO, but IDK how effective it was. But it's a good starting point, I think.

[@buddybrax]

It's very effective. If they banned for all things they detected, 90% of cheats would be banned. However, this is mainly because most cheat 'developers' don't know what they're doing, or don't change anything because they're technically not getting banned.

[@soapghostroach]

It's very effective for people with high trust factor. For that every new account gets sent into the cheater gulag by default though. A new account will probably have at least half the players as cheaters in all their matches...

[@i.e.benediktazurnieden6475]

@@buddybrax Trust factor is not that effective at all, I normally play with these guys that have about 4 accounts with high trust factor and legit cheat and do the occasional HVH once in a while and they're still high trust, and well your statement of "90% of cheats would be banned" that is false, cheats like gamesense, neverlose, onetap, primordial and a bunch more will still be up and running even if they took cheating more seriously, and the devs 100% know what they're doing.

[@nuffsaid7759]

don't know about other games but VAC doesn't work, sure you get less cheaters but you get the not once in a while but once in every 3 4 games, deathmatch servers are infested with bots that train their cheats with some Chinese account names

[@nuffsaid7759]

Plus if you're a good player even without cheating people will report you and lower your trust factor plus it became so hard to tell if someone is cheating in csgo nowadays and most will assume you're a cheater instead of a good player.

[@bread5240]

It's actually legendary that Opera GX knows about "the incident"

[@NVProlog]

What

[@StanTheWaterMan34]

what incident? we dont talk about any incidents here.

[@plus30]

my birthday is the 26/08

[@TheOmelette]

Greetings, fellow food person!

[@coolperson4126]

Plus hes using opera GX

[@Sgt_Sot]

Thank you Pyro for uploading another vod, truly high octane content

[@al-kazaz9032]

This is the live channel what do you expect besides clips from his stream

[@dudemp4]

​@@al-kazaz9032 live channel but most of it Is commentary

[@HowToKillAliens]

kek

[@kirbypro16]

You're welcome

[@ZachX888]

Yeah I watched a critikal video earlier that was more exciting than this, but Pyro made some EXCELLENT points about AI and it's potential for harm. Great points from him as usual.

[@BashfulRat]

One time I called this cheater out on being fatherless and we had a talk about his abusive mother pretty rough stuff and he left me alone after that, cheaters need serious mental help for real

[@snorf525]

that whole "tracking individual people's play style" is fucking dystopian, especially if you apply it to things outside of vidya games

[@nicktyrin4401]

Surprise, it already happens By ad companies Totalitarian states also keep databases of faces and walking patterns

[@redfan5193]

it is already applied tho

[@Randomlad56]

@@redfan5193 just as many cases

[@AidanMclaren]

I've been suspecting for a while why Valve released those bots on their servers. I always wondered why, and here's the answer.

[@almicc]

fortunately for this, you have to consent to it to be tracked. don't want to get tracked, don't play the game. companies will be forced to get really transparent if enough people boycott it.

[@dheerajs.a3227]

References in this video 0:05 - Counter-Strike: Global Offensive 0:40 - Tiktok 0:52 - Basically Homeless & Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege 1:07 - Escape from Tarkov & Counter-Strike: Global Offensive 1:34 - Penguinz0 & Dr. Disrespect 1:48 - Pewdiepie 2:02 - Escape from Tarkov & Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege 5:09 - Valorant anti-cheat & Valve anti-cheat 5:39 - Call of Duty & Apex Legends & Counter-Strike: Global Offensive 5:55 - Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege & Zim & Ubisoft 7:19 - LeafyisHere & Penguinz0 & HasanAbi 7:40 - Fortnite 7:46 - Counter-Strike: Global Offensive 7:58 - HasanAbi & QE Cinderella 8:12 - Bernie Sanders 9:06 - Overwatch & Counter-Strike: Global Offensive 10:21 - Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege & Counter-Strike: Global Offensive 11:10 - Overwatch 11:41 - Elon Musk & Twitter 12:30 - Logan Paul & KSI 12:49 - g0at & Escape from Tarkov 16:07 - Counter-Strike: Global Offensive 16:43 - Bethesda 17:12 - Warcraft & Starcraft & Activision 17:28 - Half-Life 2 19:34 - Counter-Strike: Global Offensive & Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege 21:53 - Captain America: Civil War 22:53 - Call of Duty: Warzone 23:52 - PUBG & Counter-Strike: Global Offensive 24:47 - Tencent & Blizzard 24:57 - Overwatch 2 & Discord 25:11 - Bill Gates & Valorant 25:49 - Discord 25:57 - Rocket League 26:43 - Dr. Disrespect 27:20 - Apple 28:49 - Team Fortress 2 & Penguinz0

[@theflano23]

No Breaking Bad references, this is a sad day

[@Dinostudios1]

Thank you Pyro for again showing me which video I should watch on my own

[@guythat779]

I really can't stress enough how much we don't need and should fear universal digital signatures

[@tophatguru]

Factual statement, I always worry how far back anyones past info could be tracked

[@jeffboy4231]

oh nooooo they will know how i like to press me w button!

[@TheLarryDungeon]

@@jeffboy4231 Mate, your digital footprint and signature could trace back to your name, age, life, everything, it IS something to worry for

[@sludgechan]

@@tophatguru You mean like tweets from 6 years ago which contain racial slurs?

[@StiiiiiicccckkkkyyyyFiingaaass]

​@@sludgechan and if they are? What are we supposed to do about it?

[@YOUR_NARRATOR975]

How could you cheat pyro. You've let us all down

[@BGI_guy]

Pyrocynical vs. PMC Wagner Group

[@sweetballs4742]

Pyrocynical vs Russian Ground Force

[@dramir5953]

Based GigaChad Putin

[@tachonka4428]

​@@dramir5953 ah i see, youre a fellow putin's digital footprint licker

[@teqhchaser]

npc comment

[@ManikFerret]

Me when I get banned because I used cheat engine in single player games 10 years ago:

[@OfficiallySnek]

1 in 3? It can't be that high

[@sorappoli5137]

If we're talking Tarkov, maybe.

[@chickenjimmy6552]

@@sorappoli5137 In tarkov, 1 in 3 players dont use cheats

[@alexandergoldthorpe4585]

Nahhhh he says it's 1 in 3 that are PROBABLY cheating, so only some of that third are actually cheating

[@notrod5341]

​@Anatol You can see later on smurfing is counted as cheating so I wouldn't be suprised if other non-hacking cheats are counted, like boosting or something

[@nade7242]

it can be anything from 33% to 5% just depends on the game

[@acesuperwolf3277]

I once cheated in a game of chess by putting a mirror behind them so I could see what they were going to play next, I hope I don't get karma from it 😰

[@MrcreeperDXD777]

Death penalty

[@ktleen]

How can a mirror help you at a chess game i dont understand

[@adogorable]

@@ktleen you can just stack on diff dimensions and predict future moves

[@ktleen]

@@adogorable that makes so much sense, thanks bruh

[@VEEINZ]

@@ktleen you can put the mirrir into their eyes and they will die and you will be arrested dont do it

[@facelessperson]

How will pyro win at tf2 now?

[@sweetballs4742]

With fem pyro mod

[@zagreus1855]

​@@sweetballs4742 That didn't happen. It's simply a Mandela effect.

[@Kazuhira2249]

he wont

[@MrcreeperDXD777]

​@@sweetballs4742 all in le head

[@thingamajig17]

@@zagreus1855 just a group hallucination

[@zembers]

I was hooked until the "bio-profile". Thats just advanced data collection with extra steps

[@joecrusher8502]

Surprised Pyro didn’t title this ‘Huge Cheater Drama’

[@toonslul]

This is really good for current cheaters and detection, but I feel like bans would need to be timed. Because 15 year old Timmy can hack now and the AI could keep detecting him for who knows how long.

[@ZeKuso]

Well, 35 year old Timmy should be mad at 15 year old Timmy for his lack of good choice making.

[@alejandropetit6573]

​@@ZeKuso The problem is that while 15 year old timmy is an absolute prick, 35 year old timmy might have regretted 15 year old timmy's past behaviour and never cheated since

[@nobleradical2158]

@@alejandropetit6573 A non-cheating Timmy will have a different biometric profile than cheating Timmy.

[@almicc]

let timmy become a productive member of society and disallow him from ever playing another FPS game in his life

[@trial_with_an_error9687]

Bro got ratio'd by his own picture. Outlandish

[@jroc00725]

I can’t stand cheaters but this sounds unreal and if it does come to fruition it’s scary.

[@ZTenski]

Yeah this sounds nice, but it won't work "forever". It's like radar detectors and radar detector detectors, the cheat makers will find ways to lessen the detection chance and add jitter to mitigate profiling by AIs. It will be a constant and ongoing battle, just like it allways has been.

[@jeffboy4231]

those jitters will make the AI just more suspicous probably

[@AltraHapi]

​@DoSkkLOL I could see other research spilling into cheaters hands because I HIGHLY DOUBT that the cheat devs made the AI cheats completely by themselves

[@PumpyGT]

War

[@ZTenski]

@Duke of Spook hackers absolutely will spend their valuable time on this, even professional programmers with a decent living wage. Why? Money. People pay for hacks, sometimes far more than they ever did for the game. It is a cash cow. It's not like crazy new tech or mountains of money are gonna be required to defeat this profiling, they could literally integrate existing AI tech into the cheatbot to introduce a more human-like aesthetic with moderate effort, i'm thinking about a month or two after this releases it will be defeated. Perhaps another month for word to get around in the hacker communities and it will become mainstream.

[@itsez1129]

@Duke of Spook Worst case scenario this could result in a GAN where the detector have only a 50% chance to get it right. All this depends on whether this is financially viable on both sides or not

[@llammb]

This also stops the possibility of people being “reformed”, you can cheat once and then never again but in this case you cheat once then never play again

[@herdoman5169]

Good. Theres no valid reason to cheat a normal person wouldnt cheat

[@aperturearmyapar810]

I agree, people aren't just a black and white template

[@lawrencelopez9839]

I can imagine this type of AI being used in law enforcement and such... it sounds like it's designed to learn to discriminate with 400 iq

[@gimmeyourcookiesbombs]

Minority repory

[@mcbill7352]

@@gimmeyourcookiesbombs good ass movie

[@schwarz8614]

Now you people are just making shit up lmao

[@generalzucc462]

@@mcbill7352 agreed

[@H45556]

Can’t wait to click around on a website I’ve never been to before and having it instantly recognize and know everything about me because the way I moved my mouse is unique, actually terrifying this tech means no more web privacy whatsoever

[@ToonSheik]

Google's invisible reCaptcha has been doing it since 2017.

[@lydellackerman800]

They track your Keystrokes, (they know how you type, speed ect), what you shop for, your interests, your address, what computer you are using, your screen size. and probably more

[@merrilly-]

imagine being the

[@Reth_Hard]

They say it detects 99% of cheaters but they never said how much false positive it really gets exactly. It's probably a lot more than 1%, especially when they say that 33% of people are cheating it's probably because their system is banning way too much honest players. Maybe in the future AI could be used for that but we are not there yet, the current AI system are impressive but they constantly making errors.

[@8stormy5]

detecting 99% of all cheaters =\= assigning 1% of all bans to innocent players

[@catinbeanie]

Considering the amount of fuck ups the AI algorithms on KZbin for instance screw up, i worry these systems will have another 'Demonetization on day one' moment and go haywire banning people that were innocent.

[@tomatofrog5108]

If so I think a way to fix that is to not make it a Perma ban but a 1 or 2 day ban so it in the 1 percent it does ban you it would be less likely to happen again if the ai just made a mistake and if it's cheaters after the 1 day ban they will very likely be banned again since there's the 99% chance

[@ixza404]

@@8stormy5 best way to ban 100% of cheaters is to ban 100% of players

[@TugiDeg]

24:11 That's actually terrifying. A false ban could last forever. Maybe uhm, DON'T DO THIS? Like make the AI detect aimbot and stuff that's cool but a forever-ban is just stupid.

[@lambdrey]

1:30 How can you be a pyro main without knowink the situation of TF2 right now. There, real players are the ones in every three.

[@MrTriple3D]

1 game out of 50 is not representive enough for it to be 1 in 3

[@lambdrey]

@@MrTriple3D It's the tenth most played game on Steam.

[@LordDeathslayer]

Crazily enough, DoesHotter had his main, his alts and EVERY bot he hosted banned

[@benitoskeeto]

it's not that bad because all the bots just get instakicked

[@BNBartem]

@@lambdrey where 60% are bots

[@Gistorian]

Cheaters always find a way they will counter anything

[@slenzip]

One next level I am spooked of is people downloaded another person's digital footprint. Eg, downloading a pros playstyle eventually becoming bots playing games. Maybe that's just crazy talk but food foe thought.

[@Insudi]

I used cheats in COD BO2 zombies (offline because I was like 8) and I remember how happy and joyful I was, using ray gun mk2 with godmode in round 1, using grenade spam, aimbot, infinite ammo, etc. I’m getting a dopamine boost from the nostalgia… I wanna go back to those days…. :(

[@bugfriendz]

people can't wrap their head around the concept that you can enjoy something without an immediate challenge, like the act of installing a script is a threat to video games conceptually. no-one is going to listen to someone bitch about an infected lobby, the host is just going to boot them. not sure where we lost the idea of just finding a new lobby, blocking players, etc.

[@jyorgbjornsen]

@@bugfriendz Because competitive esports gaming is a cancer that has ruined multi-player games. Nobody really cared about playing old waw lobbies with cheats in them because it was funny. People today spend more time in esports games than I do at work.

[@PosterityIslesNews]

@@bugfriendz with games like tf2, its just gotten way out of hand. its not just 1 random cheater in a server that you can just leave, its at least a couple IN EVERY SERVER. like, the game is just unplayable at that point

[@Insudi]

I have bad memory, but the the way to get the hacks, you have to go to the media thing, like videos. And search someone up. Then by doing it you get hacks installed for free. No payment. God I wanna go back.

[@bugfriendz]

@@Insudi essentially as long as you viewed the host that was cheating it would give you access to it until you reset your client in some way. sometimes it wouldn't stick, and you'd have to transfer through a private match for like an hour

[@rileyg.5888]

I’m so sorry to hear that pyro hope you recover soon 🙏

[@zenkoz3158]

Since I work in a factory, and I don't have my headphones I had to use captions and KZbin said "cheetahs" for just about every time you said "cheaters". Congratulations, you're officially certified Bri'ish👍

[@Ronald98]

What do you produce in that factory if i may ask?

[@zenkoz3158]

@@Ronald98 fiberglass insulation, I'm part of a four man crew that runs the part of the plant that makes, bags, stacks, and wraps bags of blow-in material. It's a German company but Im at the Lanett, Alabama location.

[@Ronald98]

@@zenkoz3158 Nice, thanks for sharing 👍

[@zenkoz3158]

@@Ronald98 absolutely, what was your interest in asking if you don't mind?

[@Ronald98]

@@zenkoz3158 I heard "factory" and imagined a massive automobile factory or even a military one... just pure fascination! also i have never actually seen any kind of factory in my life. the largest thing i saw were some small workshops.

[@sagechanged7923]

Hoping for a counter-anti-cheat where everyone can see the cheater through walls and insta-kill them.

[@legobro5771]

If someone is detected cheating, make headshots hurt them instead of who they shoot

[@btwurcute]

Your dream came true with ricochet anti cheat

[@2miligrams]

i love when pyro said "its inflating time" and named every one of his videos "huge blah blah blah drama" truly inspirational

[@spac3dout320]

I can maybe imagine this going sideways though with the biometric detection, what if someone happens to share similar tendencies with someone else on the playerbase. With a massive amount of players it surely may be possible

[@paracosmx7684]

I can see that, people arent too unique most of the time, youll see unusual things pop up every now and then, making them really quite usual.

[@alejandropetit6573]

Exactly, imagine just playing your fav game and getting permabanned out of nowhere because the way you play is similar to the way a known cheater plays, that would be horrible and you can't really do anything about it.

[@Xav120]

"Sorry we detected that you cheated in Club Penguin years ago, no more Fortnite, no more call of duty, no more big booty fempyro 2"

[@Hyperdozy]

This is so sad, get better soon Pyro 🙏

[@Im_Jakon]

I think we should plant apple trees on streets to provide shade for cars and feed the homeless

[@denbrodium935]

Thank you pyro for surrendering my innocent family members, i hope the negotiations with the authorities went well

[@kingkiller3582]

This is gonna be a crazy internet historian video in 5 years

[@tram1839]

it would also be cool to see performance statistics from the analysis this AI does, but I've got 2 concerns, 1 isn't that stuff gonna take up like 60% of your frames cuzz its such a high detail processing AI, and 2 what if you got like arthritis or something, or maybe you're just Tyler1 and got a dent in your head making your movements inconsistent, or idk a psychopath maybe they play completely different, I feel like people who are just weird in their playstyle could unintentionally get targeted, be it disability or just playing like bing soy

[@almicc]

It would be nice to see that addressed specifically, but I think you're overestimating how much difference there really is between humans playing an FPS game well vs. cheating. You're really talking about disadvantages in play-style, not differences in play-style that make you play like you have cheats. Any difference from the normal population would undoubtedly make you terrible at the game. Counterintuitively playing FPS games in the most wrong way possible could never be mischaracterized as cheating. I'm sure an AI will not auto-ban the player who cannot aim, strafe, or get kills in an FPS game just because they play in such a disadvantageous way. Despite what you might believe, there is not such a large difference in the way decent gamers play an FPS game, however there is certainly a chasm between how the entire population plays and how cheaters play. For your first point, the AI anti-cheat is not running on your computer, it's running on the server that you're sending inputs to. I think you got confused by the cheat which streams your game and uses AI with the AI that streams your game to detect if you're cheating. Also, computing is much faster than you think it is. No matter how much you try, you can never manually input movement faster than the computer can process it. Every game is built to accept input at arbitrary times and process it fully before your own eyes have enough time to notice the delay. In terms of the time spent per-frame, almost all of the computing is simply to render the frame, and very little is spent actually doing computation, and all the while the computer is awaiting any input you give it. Because the model takes human inputs into a game made to be played by a human, which happen in human-time (incredibly slow compared to a computer), I would bet most of the 5 minutes they claim it takes to flag a player as a cheater is literally spent doing absolutely nothing except waiting to receive human inputs. Computers operate in GHz (1,000,000,000 operations per second) speed, humans move at Hz (maybe 20 clicks per second) speed, and our eyes seem to be sensitive to hundreds of changes per second, despite not actually having the ability to physically respond to/ mentally process hundreds of individual changes per second.

[@tram1839]

​@@almicc I think you underestimate the diversity of players, people playing like a denthead doesn't necessarily mean they're bad at the game/ don't get good score. Heck there are even content creators centred around it, such as spoonkid or stimpee who both plays rust, many would say they suck at the game, but they have moments that make them look invincible, be it on stream or edited (edit: spoonkid recently even had a incident where he got startled from getting shot at and looked like he had aimbot when he flicked and killed the one who scared him, resulting in a lot of people accusing him of cheating in his video's) your other points on processing power i completely get (though i bet a lot of companies would say "we aint doing that" cuzz they'd be trying to cut costs and are too frugal to prioritise the long term health of their game)

[@fuarkYT]

"Chemistry Enjoyers" don't know that fun is legal. Chemistry "Enjoyers" know that fun is not legal.

[@DrMedicsGameSurgery]

digital footprint is a terrible idea that can lead to doxxing issues or data harvesting into a social credit system

[@PnchBagTF2]

25:00 discord doesn't record nor listens your voice calls, this tos changes meant for upcoming voice messages update, and for something similiar to twitch clips

[@JooseNerd]

I too wanted to go into medicine. I did Pharmacy for a Year at Uni, but failed at Chemistry. I get you bro.

[@bufetsumm]

6:58 MY DOG WASD BARKING AT THE EXACT SAME TIME TRIPED ME OUT

[@skippydinglechalk7075]

Pyro when somebody cheats on their diet (They are now huge)

[@methadonmanfred2787]

pyro explainign that cheaters are bullied kids who didnt use the energy for character development is the most braindead thing i ever heard

[@tophatowl6724]

26:10 I am fairly sure the viewer pyro called out was saying "its so sad we got to a point where this level of anti cheat is necessary" not "its so sad we use technology".

[@justyeet2432]

the one in three gamers cheating thing is from a survey with the question basically saying "have you ever cheated in games before" so his statement is completely incorrect

[@masterofbloopers]

Discord records voice chat audio? Imagine all the roleplay and degeneracy those Discord employees have to wade through.

[@ross_boss]

This is probably why they do it

[@Professionalminutestealer]

Hello my name is wade and I wade sometimes

[@presidentofchina1496]

Implying the employees themselves are not degenerates in fursuits

[@Kaniatsu1]

Wow this is so amazing, but is valve ever going to let go that 780 days ago I queued in a lobby of csgo with a FRIEND who cheated, but never in my life have cheated myself, and vac banned me by association?

[@toxicclonejr8411]

Jokes aside i never understood concept of cheating, I don't understand how it would feel good to accomplish something knowing you don't deserve it, at least for me

[@TheGodofdeathryuk]

It's probably not about yourself winning and more about schadenfreude, cause you see others losing and being mad about it. That's why pyro's vindictiveness and bitterness puts it really well imo.

[@mushrooms5757]

​@@TheGodofdeathryuk Yeah, that's right. I remember just travelling in Red Dead Online when a cheater started to repeatedly spawn near and kill me, he then proceeded to get mad and shit talk because I didn't give him any response lol People like that just want others to have a bad time.

[@broingup1239]

maybe some people don't want to grind a lot and thats why they cheat. But for pvp games that have no grind and are based on skill level make no sense to cheat in.

[@bruwyvn]

Used have drop money hacks on GTA Online, I felt like giving the middle finger to Take Two. The game is filled to the brim with microtransactions and pay to win items.

[@capricorncharger518]

For games that have pvp elements: to cause suffering for others For singleplayer/ pve co-op: they are most likely trying to find some fun in the game but are struggling to actually find it. E.g. payday 2 stealth is super unforgiving for players with no experience and grinds to a halt on larger maps which lead to the silent assassin mod to be made, making stealth somewhat easier but still required skill to pull off because of how it works

[@knixie]

You can get around the RNG with this. Just expand the error bounds to the RNG ranges. The way they generate the RNGs is predictable as well

[@BobrPlaysGD]

I used to be massively bullied every day of my life just because of the way that i act and looked almost all my life and was getting tired of getting bullied all day and then heading home and getting destroyed in all my favorite games so i cheated. As of today, i havent cheated in almost 2000 days since my csgo banned. For all the people who cheat out there. Its not worth it, when you cheat you dont have the same satisfaction of achieving things as you will by trying hard and progressing in every game

[@forwhomthebelltrolz]

Haha

[@forwhomthebelltrolz]

Lol I jest

[@striker6738]

Some people cheat because they don't care about those things but just wanna piss off enemy players or just chill while with friends. And well to counter cheaters.

[@sureall6975]

@@striker6738 Counter cheaters by supporting the cheat devs

[@kalui96]

W Valve for catching and banning you

[@luk4aaaa]

the worst anticheat was the one they had on Mineplex when that server was still alive. You'd get banned for sprinting up stairs and spamming jump or crouching off a lilypad, but the guy speedhacking all over the place and one shotting everyone stayed unbanned for a month lol.

[@BasicallyHomeless]

👄

[@Kkat-ui9wi]

"To chemistry and physics enjoyers. please let them know that fun is legal" had me rolling

[@50tatan]

I once cheated on roblox, they are coming for me.

[@CD_Doodles]

After all the crap coming out this year it’s nice coming to watch your older videos for that random goodness. Thank you. You brighten my day.

[@Zekrominer]

Thank god that pyro admits he cheated on his partner for thicc pyro TF2

[@HydroOptimist]

Pewdiepie: *popular youtuber* Pyro: whot , he copied me!! Pewdiepie:*retires* Penguiz0:*rises in popularity* Pyro: I see someone has copied me again

[@tankz7454]

As cool as this is, I don't trust it to not falsely ban legitimate players left and right.

[@KwikBR]

this will false ban way less then anything else

[@tankz7454]

@@KwikBR Only time will tell, I'm just skeptical about it for the moment.

[@RaccoonFacts]

It won't work for more than a few months, but its exciting to give some bored programmers a new challenge. Imagine training an Ai bot using your personal game footage or using math to make an algorithm designed to emulate how many times a human looks in the wrong direction. Fun times ahead.

[@yaboiurlz]

Sad to hear that Pyro’s father got sent to prison for cheating

[@user-vf1zw3wn3m]

I have a friend who hacked quite a lot. But they were usually bullied and picked on and were therefor scared on the internet and used hacks to feel superior and stronger. Once they removed those hacks they felt vulnerable and scared once more

[@mememinimalism]

Bet they got bullied for cheating online lmao

[@Sonicity_110]

I saw the video a week back or so, and seeing pyro cover, it really gives me hope that it'll get attention and support from consumers and devs

[@connoc5078]

Hopefully the fingerprint stuff never catches on considering how extremely invasive it is.

[@JKyle-nf4lv]

I used X-Ray on my mates Minecraft server now the IRS are knocking on my door

[@Zyyxs]

Congrats for pyro for admitting title

[@Evanz111]

I just spent like an entire hour trying to uninstall Riot’s Vanguard Anticheat off my brother’s computer because it bugged out and every time it was closed, would double the amount of programs running. His CPU would be at 100% on startup and when we tried to delete it as administrator, it stopped us and said we didn’t have permission. Digital horror.

[@JaimieWFYT]

I recall there would be a bug on Valorant where at release the games file size would be huge, riot just wants your entire pc it seems. Also, hi evanz :)

[@Evanz111]

@@JaimieWFYT To have to run commands in cmd then reboot in safe mode just to uninstall anticheat and fix his computer and was ridiculous :’) Also wow hey, wasn’t expecting to be spotted way out here haha

[@catinbeanie]

Valorant moment.

[@SnufflySpy]

2:52 I like how they didn't even need to show the whole picture. Just your face was enough

[@marcellhegyi1363]

honestly this is a good thing, companies may just make good singleplayer games popular again

[@Manasha.]

It may sound like one of those memes, but I genuinely like falling asleep to your or other creators i adore videos. Thank you ♥️

[@marcusfanning7513]

I'm a game developer. Seen this pop up a couple days ago and I can safely say I could not care less. This "technology" is made up nonsense. Firstly, the "1 in 3 people in an online FPS game are cheating" is a nonsensical statement because a) how could you ever collect the data necessary across millions of players and hundreds of games each with differing amounts of cheating going on and b) there is no way as many as 1 in 3 lmao lets be real that is completely absurd. (I'd have to guess maybe they pulled this number in an investor pitch to people who just simply dont play games in order to at a business level, make it appear as though they have a solution to a more rampant issue than the one that is really there, and are now constantly being brought up on this found "statistic" by people with genuine interest, while having no means to back down from this statement despite its falsehood). Keep in mind, we have little to no actual proof of this neural network working consistently only the equivalent of a sales pitch over and over, not even a tech demo. And with this running off a neural network and requiring actual recorded clips of someones gameplay (because unless its something like blatant spinbotting there is no way you would be able to detect well concealed aim cheats on a 32 tick rate server lets be real lmao) the computational work needed order to run this anticheat at scale is significantly more than anything else out there right now including valves own VACnet which runs off a more simple neural network model. As much as I despise valorant, its kernel anti cheat simply works. The actual server side computing needed to run it would be miniscule compared to doing this and wouldn't require people to send clips to be screened. Even in the case of these new cheats that work completely externally from your hardware, they aren't popular at all due how expensive they are and how cumbersome they are to get working, even in a game like valorant with an incredibly tryhard audience their anticheat seems to have done the trick. I'm also really not convinced that this wont result in a huge amount of false positives given the fact that neural networks often do make false positives, even with a huge amount of training false positives always happen atleast semi-regularly. tldr; This anticheat would be incredibly inefficient and some of the statistics given are obviously false, the developers are incredibly vague about how effective and precise it is at every corner and there are already superior solutions coming out or in use. Keep in mind, squad is a game with an active player count of around 10,000 concurrent players on PC alone, with an incredibly weak built in anticheat, yet on squad you will find it nearly impossible to find a single cheater because the game is purely ran on community hosted servers with good admins, and an audience that doesn't have an under-socialised/tryhard culture like Valorant. Games like Counter Strike Source and Arma also have barely any cheaters because there just isn't really a super tryhard audience there, just people who want to play and have fun. Basically the best thing you can do to reduce cheaters in your game is have no implementation of ELO.

[@arandom35yearold]

The whole video itself felt like very poorly veiled propaganda with how it presents a bad idea of directly handing over our player habits to them, but to create a profiler of each user (like this totally wont get abused at all!) as a revolutionary step for humanity moving forward. This smells rotten to the core. And of course the 1 in 3 number is absurd, if they somehow "know" 1 in 3 are cheaters, then... ban them already? Why do you need this new tool if you ALREADY know who is cheating?

[@LeanAddict]

Most of your points made sense and I agree with almost everything. However your take in csgo was awful. Csgo has an insanely high amount of cheaters and the audience is tryhard… csgo is known for its notoriously high cheat rate. considering the game is also free ( for non-prime )so a cheater who gets banned can instantly make a new account. I would like to understand where you got this insane opinion from

[@LeanAddict]

The skill celling is crazy high too so your going to say valorant which similar mechanics does have a tryhard audience but not CS?

[@marcusfanning7513]

@@LeanAddict read again. I said counter strike SOURCE. Not counter strike global offensive. I have 2600 hours on cs go and friends who used to sell cheats and were aimware admins lol

[@polishSnek]

its wholesome seeing pyro talk about up and coming young streamers such as moistcritikal

[@bugfriendz]

playing as a cheater with other cheaters is an entirely different experience when human mechanics are out of the question. it becomes about your machine and the way you play around the fact everyone can see you and delete you if you peek your head out

[@sirunfunny8042]

Sounds really fun 🙄

[@epicgameswheregamesareepic]

hvh is so stupid

[@bugfriendz]

@@sirunfunny8042 it is, neither am i going to let your passive-aggressive comments dictate how i have fun.

[@sirunfunny8042]

@@bugfriendz lol you need cheats to have fun, who's really losing here

[@Echoplex25]

Pyro malding at hackers and belittling them is the reason why people hack. It’s funny

[@depressedsweater]

My “concern” with the player profile stuff is what if you have a friend over that’s absolutely godlike at the game and plays a match or two under your account and you get banned from that?

[@mr.personalspace7831]

Does your friend play like a tool-assured manual-control-inputting aimbot, or like a really good human? There is a difference.

[@paracosmx7684]

@@mr.personalspace7831 his friend does both, dipped his hand in the honey pot and got caught, didnt tell him and played 2 hours, banned the account and now nobody gets to play, sad that

[@N-i-L]

It's probably the same thing as a player with a variable performance level. Like, a lot of times I'll either stomp lobbies in fps games or eat shit and be bottom of the board. There's rarely an in between. I would have a slight concern about being flagged as toggling on when I have a good match because of my bad match performance, but I would think that if it analyzes my habits and tactics, and sees that sometimes they work and sometimes they don't, I shouldn't have an issue.

[@magnatcleo2043]

Worse yet, can this system differentiate between cheating and having different skill levels in different game genres?

[@ItzLoona]

"Siege probably has the worst cheating rate of any game." I would like to introduce you to my old friend Team Fortress 2, Pyrocynical.

[@dramir5953]

I'm a hardcore cheater and I use my cheating powers to help people level up quick, get all the loot and enjoy the game. Never used it to cause harm, not my style

[@mattdee3213]

Sweating buckets here from when I used to be in Challenge Lobbies through COD4 to BO1

[@AZooKeeper]

The fact people pay real money to use cheats in an online game is something I’ll never understand

[@ross_boss]

Self esteem so low gotta throw wallet at it instead of going outside and talking to people or sum

[@lydellackerman800]

@@ross_boss you sound slightly hurt 💀 someone ruin ur killstreak bozo?

[@urgaaanZ]

i did not expect basicallyhomeless on this channel

[@MW-ul4ll]

I am gonna be honest Pyro is slowly transforming from Critikal to Asmongold. I think the hair loss will start soon

[@CT--tm2zm]

19:32 it could be for honor sourcing is common in that game

[@bizzybee3021]

I nephew told me he learned about the tarkov wiggle at school today. He's 8. He knew I played it awhile ago. Kids are precious. But yes cheating in video games sucks for those of us who grind legitimate accounts for hours on end.

[@隻狼-n5s]

"Cheaters are like virus; They are multiplying, They infect the game. Soon, players will left 'cos they cannot stand with this. And the game? Just dying slowly." Cheaters are gay.

[@Genasidal]

A lot of hackers I've met seem like just normal stoners as well. I feel like there is a correlation between cheating and being a stoner 💀

[@EdgieAlias]

Tf

[@froglifes6829]

As a stoner i call cap

[@Genasidal]

@@froglifes6829 correlation, not causation

[@livinglegnd78]

I’m surprised he didn’t make a 8 minute “huge opera gx drama” video

[@AIbertian]

How could you do this to us pyro we’re truly disappointed in you 😔

[@rockyracoon7181]

The ethereal music is what plays in pyros head whenever he plays Tf2 Rp

[@Crooked-60]

I cheated on my wife I hope this won't be an issue in the future

[@GalantHoese563]

You will get inhaled by the vacuum of space when the ai anti cheat launches.

[@martinidream100]

“As long as you have a 2MB connection” that’s way too much man… I only have 1MB

[@bigfutus]

Chunk Yoghurt's nephew impersonation was on point.

[@JP-wf8te]

Tarkov player here - it’s crazy how Tarkov cheaters have changed since that wiggle video, cheaters don’t even attempt to be friendly with each other now Incase it’s a genuine player trying to be friendly, if you wiggle at a cheater, you’re getting shot through the wall just Incase

[@Scrim_oce]

Keen to see how this ends up because while the general idea seems good but there's going to be so many issues associated with the actual implementation of it. It will most likely easily catch any blatant cheaters or rage hackers that any other anti-cheat can already do, but looking at just an aimbot - anything that isn't linear and has a well written smoothing algorithm with randomization would be difficult to detect. And there's so many vectors to consider before trying to figure out "human behavior" like the mice's polling rate, monitor refresh rate, and many other things that can affect any analysis. And AI is very taxing on hardware and costly especially considering if they're doing that for millions of players simultaneously. Interested to see how the biometric IDs are going to work as well, since there's probably not enough entropy in most games to be able to generate an entirely unique id based off of solely in-game behavior and is so dystopian and a privacy nightmare. Feels like the video is overhyping this and any proper implementation is some time away, especially considering that Valve (a billion dollar company) has been working on something similar with VACnet for CS and that was announced all the way back in 2018 and it is still being worked on.

[@telebijeon3109]

Valorant anti-cheat is actually the best anti-cheat I've seen in a game, knowing that will not reduce the chance you will be headshot in under 0.05 seconds after turning a corner.

[@nahCyzar0520]

I think simply banning is a bit too severe if this comes to light. But I do agree to isolate cheaters with cheaters (also known as Soft-bans). Not only that Soft-banning can be a failsafe if the AI anticheat makes a mistake.