It's settled. Speed books don't work and Evony has been lying. In depth Test analysis.

[@johnpersinger4358]

"so, here is me controlling all those things" 🤣

[@crognath]

Those guys have more money than brain cells, unfortunately. Great work as always.

[@jubae5760]

Evony is going to have a sneaky patch update one day for speed books. Thanks for your amazing research.

[@BerserkeRBBB]

If they do that it won't be much sneaky and it will completely change the game as we know it. So I bet, they won't change them.

[@DerrickDefies]

@@BerserkeRBBB this^ We have all these tests on videos and the battle reports saved. We will be able to repeat the tests to see if there is any difference.

[@TheOneWhoTubes]

Hot dayum! So glad you’re back at it! 🙏🙏🙏

[@SolidSnake1]

LET THE COOKING COMMENCE! delivered perfectly. Viper even saying at the end "people saying cav and ground speed works, dont know what theyre talking about", so Nox and Oz, go home 🤣🤣 Singh will be embarrased to see what theyre doing in name of RSP

[@lf5150]

Thank you Derrick. Appreciate your time and work

[@kittenspartyyyy]

Oz is a bit of a knob. Good video, love the data dump. Just came back to evony a few months ago and im eating this up 😋

[@Grimmj7w]

You are truly the Socrates of this game, masterpiece of a video.

[@BuckeyeNut123]

Thanks again for your hard work.

[@irishkilla3142]

Keep doing what your doing homie …your video are undeniable very calculated and analysis articulated if dummy’s don’t understand it’s not surprising

[@HandyMan657]

I'm with ya man. Your math works for me. Thanks

[@Cdaddy78]

Woah, you got to cookin them in this video, well played 😂

[@noximus-maximus]

Thanks for doing these tests Derrick. I admit I haven’t tested to this depth. I like the stabs you made at me/us, that was funny

[@DerrickDefies]

It's great that you have a good sense of humor. I am glad you were at least able to see my argument. You were the only person that seemed willing to have a conversation. Hope you are doing well.

[@ainsleymoore6366]

I wish I understood this game a tenth as well as you do, Derrick!

[@DerrickDefies]

It's overrated. So far the "God of Evony Mechanics" on my dating profile hasn't done much for me.

[@tim292926]

I have to admit this video motivated me to look deeper at my reports. I was not convinced that speed didn’t work however studying some reports I was mistaken I now believe speed books don’t work. Thank you I’ll address in my next video

[@DerrickDefies]

Its a difficult thing to tell because so much can change from battle to battle. Different buffs/debuffs/layers/ ect. can make it difficult to see if it made a difference. I honestly dont blame anyone for believing they work.

[@pedrodallot8300]

The worst part of this channel is how long it took me to find it. Ty so much, finally someone who can explain this game with facts and logic instead of a 'trust me bro"

[@DerrickDefies]

I appreciate it. People misunderstand and think I just love the math. Most of the Math is just to prove the mechanics. Hopefully I can make time to create some new content

[@richardsmith4653]

I removed my speed books after the very 1st video a while back . Thanks for info bro .

[@DerrickDefies]

I wish this topic could have just ended on the first video. Thanks for watching

[@-Snappy-]

Savage brother. I loved every second of this video 😆

[@JaeRoberge-ed6sv]

I appreciate what you do. There is one test I’d like to see with a speed book. A mounted speed book on a defense vs a siege attack. Because horses attack siege before ground troops do, I’d like to see if the siege wounded goes down IF the t1 wall gets to the siege any earlier due to the mounted speed book. In this same vein, if that were the case, a ground speed book on a defense would lower mounted wounded vs an archer attack if there aren’t enough siege or range in the keep to do the job. They are expensive tests that I don’t have the ability to create in a controlled environment unfortunately.

[@DerrickDefies]

I did this test during SvS and was attacked in the middle of performing it and it messed up the recording. (Its why I didnt show it in the video) However, there was no change in wounds vs siege when you have mounted speed on the wall. I have spoke to Evony Customer service and they finally acknowledged Speed books don't work and said they will fix them in the future.

[@kingcaragious]

This is a travesty perpetrated by Evony. Instead of price gouging their gullible fiscal irresponsible player base they should actually make a game the players can trust. What truly hurts is people will continue spending money on phantom numbers without ever checking to actually see if they're getting what they pay for. Without Derrick (who shouldn't have to) doing this so many players would be lost in this electronic quagmire called a "game".

[@DerrickDefies]

I came for a puzzle game, but half the jigsaw pieces don't fit.

[@kingcaragious]

@DerrickDefies I always use baseball as the analog. My server doesn't have Flame Cerberus (and often don't get certain events until long after they come out. Debuff skill books come to mind). Anyway, imagine the Yankees pitching a baseball the size of a tangerine to their opponents. During that same game, the opponent has to pitch a baseball the size of a grapefruit.

[@charliewebb1269]

Brilliantly done!

[@MrWrngway]

Thank you mister! I appreciate all your work, it has really helped my game. Evony is like a religion to some people, they run on faith, we all know how that goes. Lol.

[@DerrickDefies]

Yeah, I had no idea. Now that I am the God of Mechanics, I guess I need to create 10 commandments.

[@flushing_queens4827]

Good work. I have a question about counter attack mechanics. I have big cav layers, 1.5b t1, 500m t2, 100m t3-t7. In all stars none of my layers got a significant amount of kills except my t1s which were killing like 10-30m per rally. I was under the impression if the rally couldn't wipe the layer out in one hit they would get counter kills but everything basically just died except the t1s. Why are my other layers just dying? The rallies were 80-95m

[@matthewkopecki6982]

To my understanding, this is because your t1 are fighting the entire time but remain protected by the tiers above them.

[@matthewkopecki6982]

How they kill is always the mystery. 😆

[@mattsteinkamp2512]

The attacking troops target layers highest to lowest. That is why 3 & 2 disappeared. Your defending troops attack the rally bottom up. So the losses your T1 did get were from counter attack damage from your T1 attacking the rally. Your T1 were never directly targeted. The rally died before they got to your T1 layer.

[@DerrickDefies]

You are welcome to find me on discord or in the game to share the battle report, but something you should keep in mind is that in order for counter attacks to happen, your troops must be in range of the troop attacking them. So with your example, if the enemy sent and archer rally on you, it's likely that they attacked your T2 from 500 range and therefore wouldnt have counter wounds. but there are several factors that could explain it. But I hoped that answers your question

[@flushing_queens4827]

@DerrickDefies yeah that makes more sense, thank you.

[@Triggerfish70]

Now to figure out what to replace my speed books with....

[@DerrickDefies]

@@Triggerfish70 actually. Me and RedEvony are thinking about making a video that would include this. I don't recommend LvL 1 Archer attack. That was for demonstration purposes only.

[@timjones3554]

​@@DerrickDefies You made it hehe, thanks heaps brother!

[@maximus2836]

@@DerrickDefies is it just the horse speed book that doesn't work or the ground speed book also doesn't?

[@enriqueescamilla2196]

Y el de velocidad de terreno?

[@mattsteinkamp2512]

Another great video D. Have you ever troop priority before generally or in detail? I'm intrigued by the idea of why archers would shoot over the top of ground troops, but not shoot over the top of the mounted… Like you said about mounted prioritizing siege in this video. The way I've built my castle for years now I have always had way extra food. I would really consider a T1 ground defense, but I'm afraid it has some shortcomings. Want to understand a T1 ground and T1 archer combo versus going just mounted

[@erikvdv2779]

I have built my castle as t1 ground and t1 archer......all flat refines set to HP and Defense ground and attack set to archer. 200,000,000 t1 ground, 350,000,000 T1 archer, 2.4 billion in total. I also have 6.5 million t11 archers as a protective umbrella for the T1 archer vs siege. It works well vs reasonable keeps and rallies, but one of the giants with 4k % buffs runs right over my castle with a ground march.

[@mattsteinkamp2512]

@@erikvdv2779 very interesting. Thanks for the reply. I would love to see some battle reports. Would it be possible to whisper you in the game?

[@DerrickDefies]

@@mattsteinkamp2512 Every troop has a priority If the there is no troop of their top priority in their effective range (speed+range) they will target the next priority down. Some of these are impossible to sure about as for ground for instance. I am sure it prioritzes siege over ground, but it does not have enough speed/range to ever kill siege before ground. Siege➡️ Siege, Archer, Ground, Mounted Mounted➡️ Ground, Siege, Mounted, Archer Archer➡️ Mounted, Archer, (Ground or siege) Ground➡️ Archer (probably siege, but not in range), ground, Mounted.

[@erikvdv2779]

@@mattsteinkamp2512 Yes. I have some good reports from the last battlefield. Not sure what the standard way is to trade information so that we can communicate. Let me know if you have an idea.

[@nickrowe151]

@@DerrickDefieswith ground priority, I agree that is the way they would prefer to attack each troop, but in my experience ground always seems to engage with ground first, the cav archers siege

[@DarkLordz-u7m]

VIG/RSP haven’t been able to control one essential variable and that’s the absurd amounts of coin in their alliances, which has completely skewed their view of the game. The coin variable has reinforced the notion that they are absolute in every aspect of the game.

[@RobertoSilva-lr4vh]

Thanks my friend. Could you help us by defining which would be the best books for each type of march and on the wall?

[@DerrickDefies]

I plan on making a future video on this. But for now, on the wall stick with Siege and Archer range, and HP/Attack skillbooks for the rest.

[@chryssesandchaos]

This is awesome, though, I don't play anymore, but y'know, I'm glad I never used speed books at all, I simply relied on upgrading speed through Academy and refining. I always thought speed books were a waste of skill book spot. 😊

[@DerrickDefies]

That's great. I planned on quitting a long time ago, but I felt like if Evony wanted to keep this stuff a secret, then maybe I will have fun exposing it.

[@albertoh777]

Nice work.

[@royalgreen9546]

Got em!!

[@clueless1473]

I’m impressed by your very meticulous experiments, but I’m also sympathetic to the fact that empirical evidence (like Nox’s test) seems to show otherwise. It’s easy to say that conditions weren’t 100% the same, but that feels like a bit of a cop out-why attribute the changes to order of joining the rally or number of traps? I find it plausible that Archer Tower and camp mechanics might just work completely differently from regular troops-it is Evony after all, so I’m not sure why we expect battle to be coded consistently.

[@DerrickDefies]

Some of the players I mentioned in the video actually reached out to me to do a large scale test that is more controlled. I am 100% on board with it. Unfortunately I never actually saw the battle report from Nox's battle, so I never truly saw the difference in reins and rally participants. But to answer why Traps/Subcities/Rally join order can make a large difference, it has everything to deal with killing layers. Just take for example you have 2 players that joined the rally. One with 3000% buff and one with 4000% buff. If the 4000% buff player attacks a layer and kills it, the 3000% buff player can attack the next layer down. But if the 3000% buff player attacks first and doesnt kill the layer, that would mean the 4000% buff player would attack the same layer. This effectively "ATE" one of the attacks. Same thing with traps/subcities. This was a mounted march, so lets say his traps and subcities killed small ground layers (traps can easily wipe low tiers) This is more layers the enemy doesnt have to waste turns on. So even if their kill amount is low, they are killing protection layers. Also if ground or mounted speed books worked (as you would expect), then it would be awful on a defense as you would cause your ground troops and mounted to engage the enemy further from your keep. This means your archers would have to move more in order to help the battle. Speed books working, would actually break the game. (If they worked as advertised) And the Archer tower was chosen for its simplicity. These mechanics work for every troop type. For example I can just use T13 siege instead of an archer tower, but I would have to account for Siege speed and it seems that it might have been a bit more challenging for others to grasp. Honestly, all good questions and one of the reasons I included many examples in my video. Hopefully we can have the other side redo their tests in a more controlled manner and we can really settle any doubt.

[@clueless1473]

@@DerrickDefies All good points, and you’ve clearly done more work on this than almost anyone. I agree that traps or sub cities will make a difference. Not sure I get join order-has it been proven that join order affects battle order? In any case, I hope a more controlled experiment can be done in a more useful setting (i.e., defending a rally), since these ultra-controlled test environments are intellectually interesting but not really reflective of actual combat conditions for most serious players. On a separate note, I know this isn’t really the point of your video, but it feels like this is a bit of a moot point. Buffs have gotten so high that the choice of skillbook almost becomes irrelevant. Sure you could replace speed or range with 25% HP, but does that really matter when you’re outbuffed by 3,000%?. Conversely, the top players could put luck, monster speed, and general exp and not see any noticeable difference in performance. Reason No. 384729273 why this is a stupid game that we should all quit lol

[@DerrickDefies]

@@clueless1473 Take a look @22:55 You can see that the troops attacked in the order in which they joined the rally. This is easy to verify since troops attack the highest tier first. The highest tier has 5 troops. Next tier had 4 troops and so on. This is for a small rally. With a large rally, its not as simple as who joins first, attacks first, but yes joining a rally or reinforcing changes which turn your troops attack. As for your 2nd point. Not everyone that plays this game is at 3000% buffs. There are new servers still fighting to get to K30. So this would be more significant for them. But its also in a way, a few $100's in buffs. Think of how much players would spend to get 50% extra buffs. That's a castle/new premium general.

[@MrG-xf8sc]

Is mounted speed actually speed of marching and if so isn’t that march speed - I heard a long time ago it was the speed of their attack not march. You might have covered that regardless in your tests but what do you think about that statement

[@jubae5760]

It certainly doesn't speed up your troop march to monsters or PVP. I have done enough test to confirm this.

[@fs6507]

I have a question...since Evony is full of variables... Would the results still be similar if we're talking about 30, 40 or 60 million rallies?

[@DerrickDefies]

Its possible, but it would be weird since literally nothing else in the game doesnt scale like that. I can verify every ATK, DEF, HP, and Range buff with small marches. This is a big reason why for a long time I claimed that speed books "seem" to do nothing. But I am confident its a glitch or a flat out lie. I have learned to to put too much faith in the integrity of Evony's code.

[@enriqueescamilla2196]

I am interested in knowing if the land speed and siege range books work in the wall defense general, I ask because my language is Spanish and some parts of the video were not clear to me

[@DerrickDefies]

Land speed does not. Once I have time, I can add subtitles to the video if that will help

[@enriqueescamilla2196]

@@DerrickDefies Gracias

[@legion2440]

let them have those books, improve your pvp with knowledge, and let arragants be less powerful

[@raajparkash7981]

Understand that the mount & ground speed skill books not making any effect however didn’t grasp the range bonus and siege bonus concept ? I think what you stated was that if you have a civ bracer or Archamendia ring then the siege & range bonus doesn’t make a any difference and are two slots wasted as the civ bracer or Archamendia ring isn’t boosted by range or siege bonuses hence not working is that correct or am I confused lol 😂 help Derrick

[@DerrickDefies]

My point on the skillbooks is that their values are incorrect. They DO add range, but its not as much as stated in the description. As for the other part. Since the battlefield length is 1500, Any range above that is useless. So your T13 and above siege do not benefit from a bracer. However your T12 and below do. I hope that explained it well.

[@raajparkash7981]

@@DerrickDefies Ah ok so it is worth having the red range bonus and siege bonus albeit are incorrect & the bracer thanx for this information Derrick , the speed books I have now replaced , we fought you in BOC once and do have you saved somewhere lol 😂….with the information you just given us has now got me wondering what other infrastructures in the game are also incorrect like the releasing of a new gen every month example Merlin ( archers ) was just released last month & now Ragnar this month before Merlin it was I think Marcus Agrippa and prior to him Douglas … plus all these new champions which all cost $$$$$$$$ …. Evony was a good game took skill wit courage planning but now it’s all about $$$$$$ wish someone like Sony would buy out Evony & make it so it’s actually playable all round for the average player rather than a millionaires pleasure game however thanks for info 😊

[@talkissheep]

I knew this all along by intuition I suppose but grateful to have proof. Also, have we proven siege range is a lie? Map isn't even 1700 spaces from corner to corner. So the books can't work. Forgive me if I missed a video.

[@DerrickDefies]

Siege range is not what is shown in game. Siege range skill books do increase range, but its by a small amount

[@erikvdv2779]

Very nice work. So since the speed books don't work, is there any way to protect a castle's horses with reinforcements vs a archer rally? We're trying to defend a T1 castle with reins, and a 3 person archer rally is deleting all T2-T14 horses and half of the T1 before they do much of anything. I don't think I'm going to like the response......

[@DerrickDefies]

Are you trying to protect the upper tier horses? If your goal is to protect the horses, the best strategies would be to rein with siege or ground and make sure you have layers of mounted in them. But if that's a bit too simple, you can send me a battle report and I can try to help you out from there.

[@erikvdv2779]

@@DerrickDefies No....trying to protect the T1 horses of the defending player. I was thinking that the sequence of combat was for enemy archers to target top horses (attack value) and then cycle through each layer by attack value.1500%, 1490%, 1470%, etc.... Instead, from what I can tell with our latest defense and what I think you have described, the sequence is Player #1 (defending player) - T14 down to T1, Player #2 (first to reinforce) T14 down to T1, Player #3 (second to reinforce).......etc. What I was hoping was that we could have all reinforcing players add mounted troop speed so that their horse layers would run out in front of everyone else and have the defending player's horse be the last to be targeted by archers and your testing shows that this is not the case. This game is so dam difficult.

[@DerrickDefies]

@@erikvdv2779 hey Erik, please send me that report. I can better explain it. My in-game name is DerrickDefies You can also reach me on discord

[@fate5624]

I don’t have t14 layers at all , do these make a big difference when defending?

[@DerrickDefies]

You dont have T14 unlocked? They will help, but if your buffs are not made for them, they can become a liability if you make too many

[@fate5624]

@@DerrickDefies oh , I thought about 50k just for the layering you know like when attacking sending 1k in layers in extremely important I thought for the Defense it’s the same but with 50k

[@DerrickDefies]

@@fate5624 In that case, yes, T14 are very useful as protective layers.

[@fate5624]

@@DerrickDefies okay nice , just unlocked my t14 ground and siege and siege probably tomorrow

[@kettvektor8037]

Who is allergic to math should just keep spending $$ on poopy poop and stfu about game mechanics. Simple thing. Cant make a horse drink, only show it the water. Go Derrick!

[@jubae5760]

I believe the speed books did work years ago but probably caused issues with the balance of the game and Evony didn't do the work to fix it. Now they just completely disabled it.

[@DerrickDefies]

In the files you can find books that increase range for ground and mounted and books that increase speed for archer and siege. Perhaps Evony removed them, but forgot to remove Speed, and now its too late to remove

[@ezwider4652]

LOL these guys coin so hard they think it makes them smarter and know how the game works best 😅

[@RiotGrrrrlEvony]

❤

[@mundomundovich2265]

It is already taking them more than a billion years to release all covenants ( aside from new power creep generals , which btw noone asked for ), let alone fix old bugs ( though creating new ones is not a problem at all ). I highly doubt they even care about speed books. We have undeletable bubble mails since last updates. Blazon interface is fucked up, there are "brand new" filter button that does even less than speed books ( i.e. nothing at all, it just doesn't work ), which noone asked for. Meanwhile the interface for presets is still annoying and takes ages to do something that should be done in one click. This game is not just fucked, it is beyond fucked.

[@crazystuff6944]

I wish you had put such an effort for some real world instead of evony. Very nice test results

[@DerrickDefies]

I actually use this as a reason to improve my excel and video editing skills. And its fun to make people laugh while secretly making them enjoy math.

[@Otter555]

😂 Got beef bro😂

[@szetu7]

😍

[@alexharnden7121]

So range bonus books also don’t work it’s unclear?

[@DerrickDefies]

@@alexharnden7121 range bonuses work, but the numbers are wrong. Archer is 20 every level (not 25) And siege is only 5 every level (not 50) But they DO work

[@alexharnden7121]

@@DerrickDefies thanks Derrick. In your opinion is it worth having them taking place of something else?

[@flinch622]

Face it, math is not Evony's strong suit. Take the all stars fiasco: in linking up to fakebook as an imagined cross platform promotion, the server lag that created [calling on extra server resources while simultaneously reducing available bandwidth for players to use]... pretty much nuked the event, and the promotion ate itself in true ouroburos fashion. In other news... telco's are run by crackheads!

[@youngjohn5076]

Back your claim with test and data. The truth will alway be revealed. Thank you. Viper is the biggest cry babe. Watch his video. Still complaining when they’re up 2x points. 😆 dude don’t have a life outside of Evony.

[@johnallan5006]

Question if ground is faster than cav then why does cav beat ground to a monster?

[@DerrickDefies]

It doesnt. You will always have wounds on ground if you send it to a monster rally. If you join a ground rally against a monster with mounted, you will not have wounds

[@johnallan5006]

@ my preset is I ground troop because I was worried about my cav speed book making my t1 get there first. I’ve never gotten wounded. The rally leaders mount always reaches the monster first

[@johnallan5006]

Just double checked. No wounded. I only get wounded when the rally leader does

[@johnallan5006]

But when I attack a senior bayanrd knight and add 50 t 14 ground I get 3 wounded. That’s wild

[@DerrickDefies]

@@johnallan5006 Sorry, I should have been more clear. Yes, ground reach the monster first. However, you have a 90% survival rate against monsters. This means that your single ground troop will survive even though it actually died in the battle. This is exactly like Death to survival. So when you sent 50 ground troops, they attacked first and all died. 90% were brought back to life. That means you would only have 5 wounded. Buuuuuttttt, you have the Mortality Talent selected which adds an additional 5% survival. This means 95% survival rate, which is why you had only 3 wounded. I hope that clarifies everything.

[@Daymasteran]

i thought speed for making your hit land faster

[@michaeljordansneck]

I got vigs entire bot farmed banned 3 times and they are raging so hard lol. All those resources deleted from the game that they will never get back.

[@Keyboard.Warrior.]

Who are you

[@chryssesandchaos]

Good job, keep it up! 🤣

[@queenlip6152]

H E R O

[@Chizbizzy]

Rat

[@jubae5760]

You are doing Gods work.

[@Tenster.]

let me know if evony gets the speedbook working 😂

[@DerrickDefies]

I am sure everyone will realize something is off if they start working

[@shaunboy13]

it is funny Oz and Viper claim they do tests, but produce nothing except Trust me bro lol

[@shaunboy13]

the more they spend the more they claim to know lol.

[@DerrickDefies]

I almost used a screenshot of Oz saying trust me bro

[@ledmadnezz1669]

Trust me bro😂

[@dmbrookfield]

Haters are always going to hate..

[@DerrickDefies]

Maths are going to math

[@PyrrosEvony]

So range books workish but speed books don't?

[@DerrickDefies]

yes

[@Evony-ky3js]

lol 😂 nice roast bro on the cav against archer these guys are clowns 🤡 I remember there was a guy named freedom and he interviewed NFG members and top shot was saying that siege are worthless for attacking and you never solo siege player this was like 4 years ago before king Singh showed them that siege is king the whole Evony community it’s full of themselves well the people who are arguing with you I believe what you say man

[@DerrickDefies]

The problem is that without knowledge of the mechanics, many players speculate and draw incorrect conclusions. Sometimes it takes videos like this to make change in the community

[@danpickle9359]

4 years ago siege were worthless in attacking. All siege had the same distance back then and t1 could block. But that was changed in December of 2020. But I’m not so sure NFG even existed yet before they changed the siege mechanics.

[@Evony-ky3js]

@@danpickle9359 there is a video from freedom he interviewed top shot and he said siege was not for attacking only for defending few months later king Singh started dropping videos and 4 years ago siege t-14 was available not sure what your talking about

[@MrKhquressTV]

Honestly .. you to invested it’s a video game dude it’s way more important shit in life and ppl lie to you way worse that a company that’s lies thru marketing and promotion in this realm it’s called politically correct 😂 you out here beefing a whole video game company 👎🏿 bad look bro cause it’s to many successful players out here playing with the same shit you say don’t work again bro 👎🏿

[@jimsaq]

fruitiest comment on the internet this year

[@MrG-xf8sc]

If the first reinforcement attacks first against a very strong attack would it help to have a weaker player reinforce first with even layers to lower wounded of other reinforcements

[@DerrickDefies]

No. The order in which reins attack change dramatically once you add more troops. I am still working on testing this but for now, just think its pseudo random