IT'S STILL HAPPENING. GW WONT TALK ABOUT IT | Warhammer 40,000 40K News/Discussion

[@Luetin09]

Its been about 8 months since we last talked about all the product issues around 40K and its adjacent game systems, there was more to think about than I anticipated - and either way - even if youre not here for the tabletop - this should be a great #Luetinsleepclub video

[@GalaxyBrain88]

You clicked on the video right? Mission successful...

[@extra-terra-strial-bv9pv]

Lol, I admit I do occationally do this lmao

[@jessicalacasse6205]

ever see a scalper at mc donald... supply enough of what you selling and people will buy from you ,but having 70% of your stuff unavailable show they don t care ( same investor than disney so dont expect much)

[@Bloodywasher]

bro everything nerd has been pozzed there is no solace. the real war comes. Anyway if not keep the great content coming. Hope you are well!

[@brianmurphy6480]

Lutein, I don't play 40k tabletop, I don't purchase any of the figurines, nor do I have any of the game books. Despite the fact that none of this affects me personally, or has any bearing on the things I really care about...here I am, watching all the way to the end. And I love it. 🤷‍♂️

[@americanman3745]

Limited runs should turn into made to orders. Once the initial run is done. Every 1000 or so orders come in, a new batch of models, book prints, etc get made and shipped out. Remove a large chunk of FOMO

[@SomeQuackingDuck]

I think this is how P-Bandai handled their limited runs (at least in the past, haven't bought a model kit in a while), there were still people buying to resell for inflated prices at a later date but it wasn't at the detriment of everyone else who genuinely wanted a kit for themselves. Hell, isn't this how miniature related kickstarters handle their orders? I'm sure GW can switch to doing it too.

[@WellWisdom.]

Makes sense and that is why they won't do it.

[@nfortin24]

Why? FOMO is highly profitable.. sure theyd make more the first 2 products that csme out under this model.. but then players wouldnt feel the need to get every "limited" release at launch "oh ill just wait" and then thats no longer a guaranteed sale....

[@mattsmith7827]

I can agree with you. They need to make it all made to order.

[@leonconnelly5303]

Well by the time you got it you'd have forgetten you'd ordered it

[@Recoveres]

I appreciate you actually going over what is actually availeble and not just doomsaying

[@Luetin09]

I was surprised how well supplied most of the major ranges were, but the adjacent game systems are suffering

[@triratna1397]

we all will die before emperor Resurrection

[@stefanw6665]

it's a bit misleading though since availability in different regions vary. in the us kits are out of stock much more frequently. you can easily check by yourself by changing your location in the top right corner.

[@galtshobbycorner]

I wanted to get Eisenhorn as a mini but it only seems (or seemed) to be in stock in the UK and Australia 😢 Regional stock variance hurts my feelings haha

[@dilloncartier]

@@Luetin09true for 40k but Sigmar restocks are painfully slow. There’s some new models that haven’t been restocked since release and it’s been 4-5 months. Tough if you want to actually play the game

[@loneal627]

The fact you can't preorder something like the kits is ridiculous, I understand the limited-edition books, regular hard covers should be easy.

[@lewisbenzie845]

Printing is incredibly expensive. And most importantly time consuming.

[@logankowalyk2580]

How the fuck is print incrediblely expensive. Its 2024 ​@@lewisbenzie845

[@CausticLemons7]

@@lewisbenzie845 Amazon mass produces books for amateur authors and has done for years. Obviously GW is not Amzn but it's still strange to hear that printing books is difficult in 2024. Especially given that the problem being discussed is that their customers want to buy more.

[@slip6699]

No reason for books to not print more.

[@nyet_maker7948]

Dude, if enough people press the inform me when available button they would know its worth it. It does not make rational sense not to reprint core lore books (lion book, watchers of the Throne,...) Rip everything, dont give em money, ☠️

[@davewebster5120]

Some great points here. They'd be smart to lower their prices, produce more, and get 40k in more hands. But, the more I learn about GW the more I realize it's about control. They want to control the fans, fighting with them so often and it's so strange to me. Customer concerns are last priority. This is why people 3d print the models.

[@snarkymoosesshack8793]

>lower their prices And I'd like to own my own CR90 corvette, but neither are going to ever happen🤣

[@brianglenney8642]

It's both a love an hate thing for me. On the one hand they make it difficult for modernists to ruin the game but on the other hand yes people are disgusting children and if they can't have their way they will literally steal someone's idea just so they can join in something they have no right to... Like 3d printing people.

[@justarandomname420]

​@@brianglenney8642How dare those dirty peasants! They should know their station.

[@leadpaintchips9461]

It makes sense in a twisted sort of way. The only reason why GW even formed was because the IPs that they blatantly stole from _didn't_ control it with an iron fist and litigate them into oblivion, and 40K is arguably more popular then most of the source material nowadays. They don't want someone doing to them what they did to others.

[@Magnus0891]

Dunno whats the hype about stealing GW intellectual property by 3D printing. I mean GW gives people the lore, the books, the content and the universe. GW pays thier employees well does not run child labour and literally treats everybody in the chain well. The Top management and CEO earn less then top management of similar size companies, so they actually dont rob you. And the company is a public listed (owned) company, so basiaclly GW is owned by pension funds and therefore simply secures some peoples retirement. There are certainly a lot worse companies to support and for real I dont understand the hate GW gets.

[@craigjoe8691]

The dude laser scanning the sets and providing the files on torrents is the real MVP. an entry level resin printer makes them easily 👌

[@DivinityOfBLaze]

Unironically the literal only way to get into the hobby for a good number of people at this point. A grave dug by GW themselves.

[@gazworks0]

Would it be possible for you to point me in the right direction to find these? Much appreciated!

[@DanielWW2]

I do appreciate GW its commitment to the lore. Their logistics are about as reliable as the Imperium. Their technology as sophisticated as the Mechanicus. And their communication skills about as good as an Astropathic Choir.

[@larrytherustyboii7442]

im so glad I understand the 40k universe to this extend.

[@logangodofcandy]

Central planning, aka communism.

[@LasagnyaMcMeatsauce]

Man did your comment not age well lol

[@Nerdthropic]

this phenomenon is what made me stop being a hardcore GW collector. I broke the addiciton and now I selectively pick and choose. Those of you still in the throes of addiciton - I wish you luck.

[@TheChurlishBoor]

It's like people being addicted to Nike and other factory stuff. Mad, innit?

[@divinestrike00x78]

I pretty much just focus on the Omnibuses. Whenever I see one at the store I pick it up.

[@ThommyofThenn]

Glad you are no longer living in bondage my friend

[@ThommyofThenn]

​@@TheChurlishBoornever seen the appeal with shoe collecting. However I live in a place where people hace realised fancy shoes really serve no purpose. I have a pair of hiking shoes, one pair of athletic and a few pairs of boots lol

[@sneakysquirrl708]

@PolySimian I’m with you brother. I traded my 40k addicted in for a new PC and a butt load of RuST skins. Which I’ve also moved on from, to Deep Rock Galactic. Rock and Stone! For Carl!!!

[@extra-terra-strial-bv9pv]

Dude! Congrats on 800k! I’ve been watching for so long now! It feels lie forever! I found you in 2020 when i admit I may have binge watched your entire history of the emperium series during school hours 😅. You are the guy I always reccomend tp people looking to delve deeper into the lore side of 40. Keep up the top teir videos!

[@extra-terra-strial-bv9pv]

Wow that’s a lot of typos

[@ExtraRaven_]

@@extra-terra-strial-bv9pv its the thought that counts :p

[@koolaidnd]

I’m in the US and all of Legion Imperialis is completely unavailable. They market the crap out of it and now we can’t get models. A lot of items are unavailable because they weren’t released separately. I gave up other hobbies to play 40K years ago. I’m honestly thinking that hunting, shooting, fishing and camping may be my choice hobby this year.

[@nicholasjoseph9062]

every time you shoot a pig you shoot an ork. every time you shoot a fish you shoot a tau. remember to roll your dice before doing that activity

[@justarandomname420]

That's mostly what I did. Now I'm reloading and building out an ar10 platform. Different rabbit hole.

[@obiwanshinobi-pj5xh]

Why not have all the hobbies? You can come camping with us if you want

[@TheTang3rine]

murdering animals isnt much of a hobby its just fucked up

[@koolaidnd]

@@TheTang3rine we eat what we kill.

[@StevesTreasure]

It seems to me that over the last few years GW has been transitioning into a "high end, boutique collector" company instead of a game company.

[@Revan_7even]

GW themselves have the philosophy of being "a miniatures company, not a game company."

[@logangodofcandy]

They don't sell many miniatures, considering that.

[@leonconnelly5303]

Company wants to make more money surprisingly

[@johannahunderwood4596]

There’s a disconnected between the company and the enthusiasts. They’re trying to cultivate an air of exclusivity. Their customer base is broad, but if I may say so, we’re all a little bit eccentric in a good way, but not likely the kind of people who give a crap about that kind of exclusivity. We make our own exclusivity by painting and finishing the models how we want to, or maybe we just love the lore.

[@kristopherscholefield1723]

Facts, Garro got me into warhammer, with Flight of the Eisenstein. & the follow-up novel Garro, ever since then Garro has definitely been my favorite 40K character, with Belasaurius Cawl a close 2nd. I understand this will be heresy, but ive been enjoying Ku'gath Plaguefather, in the Dark Imperium trilogy quite a bit. His chapters are a reprieve of dark comedy, in the grimdark horror of the setting.

[@ianbahamonde6679]

Heresy but a great book indeed

[@memorandom7484]

What always gets me is that they have enough of these products to send out literally HUNDREDS of them to KZbinrs and people on other social media platforms - literally GIVING the products away - but can't make their stuff widely available to actual paying customers.

[@ishimoto1597]

Actual paying customers are suckers to businesses like this Actual paying customers are fans that will pay money and wait in line to get treated like crap, and then do it again

[@rancorusia]

im sure theyve done that math and figured out how many boxes makes them the most profit per cost

[@Dante3214]

@@rancorusia well said, this is almost certainly the real reason

[@logangodofcandy]

If they have a million collectors and players, a few dozen people in the net for reviews is a drop in an ocean

[@Ghilliedude3]

I think what gets me the most about this is that warhammer is expensive. I can’t just buy every release and when I know a big thing I want is coming out I generally save up for it. Jumping through those hoops only to feel like I may miss out on my one large purchase of the year is pretty frustrating. It seems like the death wing box was available a few hours after release in a lot of regions. I don’t know if that’s because of the scalping measure or the general negativity that popped up around the internet from the DA rules. I’ll take it as a step in the right direction.

[@Maethendias]

the real kicker about the whole situation is the fact that... its most likely intentional from gw's side too

[@mrbreck1]

I saw scalpers posting their receipts online. They were getting 2-3 dozen copies of limited releases each. Less than a hundred scalpers were buying a whole limited run if those numbers reflected the average scalper.

[@logangodofcandy]

Could solve the problem with limited dates to order, like a 1 week period, and print to order.

[@Fr33man]

GW has 0 financial interest in correcting this problem. Its better to have high demand and low supply than the other way around. They have already calculated the amount they wish to sell and its well within the margin that they will turn a significant profit. The site crashes only cause people to foam at the mouth with envy and drive their quest to get the next limited edition thing they release first. Simple economics.

[@implodingllama2092]

True. Up to the point where 3d printing becomes the norm

[@GaudiaCertaminisGaming]

How is this simple economics? High demand, high supply is simple economics. How does moving more product materially damage GW’s interests in any way?

[@ntfoperative9432]

Actually if you have High demand but low supply, then people are going to just get their own supply, either through bootlegs, or used stuff

[@villeveikkojuhanimantila2129]

buahhahhaaa. Simple who?

[@leonconnelly5303]

​@@GaudiaCertaminisGamingbecause they wouldn't be able to sell it at the prices they do now

[@andrewgagne4465]

Ah don't worry I'm sure gw will fumble the entire universe, but don't worry I will still watch whatever 40k videos YOU put out, whethers it's "canon" or something you made, I'll be here because you MADE the universe for me... Thanks

[@extra-terra-strial-bv9pv]

Legit, luetins voice is synonymous woth 40k for me

[@Blodhelm]

When I first started looking into 40K, so much wasn't available that it convinced me it wasn't worth the headache. So I'll stick to games and the occasional book but I'm not waiting in queues for something that could be printed on demand. I get that scarcity is part of their business model but it's a hell of a way to run a business.

[@MedHead1]

I appreciate any attempt benefiting the fans, and not scalpers.

[@makmagic9487]

Thanks for covering this. I know you mostly do lore or otherwise talk about other things set in 40K, and it’s nice for someone who knows been into Warhammer for a long time to talk about the problems going on in the actual tabletop/miniature side of everything.

[@DavisXero]

I’ve been in the hobby for over 20 years and I’ve been saying for at least half that time; that GW NEEDS to increase rate of production and create a dedicated printing press for their library. Reasoning that as an American, I was watching the hobby grow in my country and could see what was coming. A lot of the time people would argue that 40K isn’t THAT big, but that’s not the point; it is getting there, and with Henry Caville creating a cinematic universe announcement, it just growing faster.

[@colinbielat8558]

The stupid thing is they had the huge influx due to covid, the fact that they didn't have an immediate meeting to look into the creation of another factory is mind-boggling. Especially considering they keep making new games and have such a huge product range, they need to up production to meet demand.

[@Dinnye01]

​@@colinbielat8558 This is just mass produced scarcity. Go watch some Reserved Investments. You'll get the point.

[@HB2K-h8m]

Yeah it's so hard to get hold of most of the novels published more than a few years ago. You can't buy 4-6 of the gaunts ghosts novels, or anything by Chris Wraight beyond his most recent work. Real shame

[@akodotain]

An experience I had while Christmas shopping sums up GW quite appropriately I think. I walked past the store, which only had staff members inside. Did some shopping at another shop opposite it for 15-20 mins. Dropped in to ask if they had the House of Artifice book in stock. Got told the dont stock any Necromunda products... I was the only potential customer to step inside for that period, in a busy shopping mall, during one of the biggest retail periods of the year. Why did they not have at least the core 2023 Necromunda book and some representation of the product? The core book was a new product, and the Apocrypha Necromunda book was an upcoming release. Its as though the prices are set by the writing team, the retail choices are made by the rules team, and the codexes are written by the accountants.

[@Grim-Crusader]

The Dark Eldar have taken over GW and are bathing in the fan suffering 😢

[@foxrobinson3582]

They just exchanged their armour for expensive suits and use a modified holofield to aid in the pretense that they are Mon-keigh.

[@HappyDuude]

I mean if cursed city fiasco wont get a statement, youd need the emperor to become actually real for an official gw statement to happen.

[@kassi420]

“But how many people have got a Grey Knight Terminator army” Me - looking at my Grey Knight Terminator Army infront of the TV watching this video

[@hugisdb]

Who’d thought a well thought out, edited, and produced video could be put together like this. The look at the store is something I’ve yet to see someone do tbh. Awesome work and great listen.

[@Gunnberg85]

All things considered I'm pretty new to the Warhammer 40K universe. My fandom has been growing for the last several years, and I can definitely say that the Dark Angels are my favorite legion and chapter. I have been getting into the audio books with the Horus heresy, but it's a slow process as there are many entries. You can imagine how ecstatic I was when I heard about the Lion: Son of the Forest novel release. I honestly never knew about any of the special hardcover books that the black library produced. Once I discovered that the Lion had one, I raced to the website to place an order. Suffice it to say, they were long since sold out. eBay was loaded with them, all at extremely marked up prices. This really rubbed me the wrong way since technically the book had not even been shipped yet. At the end of the day, it is just a thing. However it really would have been nice to get a hold of one since I've become such a fan. It's a real pity that games workshop has such a reputation akin to Nintendo in terms of their physical releases.

[@jjjkkk39]

I totally get how you feel. I’ve missed out on some hardcover copies of books (I’m a physical copy type of guy). Something to consider is GW releases paperback copies eventually, although it’s not as firm as the hardcopy. I say stay optimistic! Things can get better

[@benparker1822]

I had looked into the Titanicus boxed set as far back as November, and I tagged the product to get a "Back in Stock" notification. I got one. It's interesting to see that now, all of a month later, it's back out of stock.

[@Nemoknowsnothing]

I start to think that the pre orders not only should be handled as preorders, like, before of production to ensure a minimum amount of copies for the interested, but that should be handled on a different website, so i can still buy a squad of cadian shock troops without having to wait 24hrd for no actual reason

[@alzar47]

I absolutely love the lore of 40k, however, I don't play it anymore because of GW policies. I only play One Page Rules games and it brings me joy like 40k used to.

[@capacamaru]

I got back into the hobby 6 months ago, and I do a weekly hobby stream on Twitch, and I often get asked where to start with the hobby. I feel like I need to tell them 'don't get hyped or expect availability on any new products'.

[@jameskirkland3187]

A wild capac

[@TheSMC1988]

I've been with Warhammer since 1998 so I completely understand what you mean I'm always reminding my friends who have gotten into it around 7th or 8th that the story comparatively is moving at light speed compared to when I got into this, literally nothing ever changed.. ever lol When I was a kid Abandon was the butt of every joke but now he's been molded into something of a real character it's all changed so much for the better and I'm thrilled to be a part of it all by it the logistics and business end do need to get their act together.

[@gavbod1914]

As someone who works in e commerce, the problem of scalpers is huge. It is a continuous war between the scalpers and the seller and who has the advantage changes and procedures and technology adaps on both sides. But the first step is admitting there is a issue and starting to address it, which it appears GW has done with their queueing system.

[@TheSixYardBox]

The worst bit was Saturday afternoon hours after selling out, they posted on Facebook with a link to the death wing set saying pre order your copy now...

[@thelonespacemarine5211]

It’s the Kirby Curse. Tom Kirby signed a life time contract with his wife’s amateur development company back in 2012 and we’ve gotten boned ever since.

[@jaakkokosola5948]

Just in time for my bedtime! The adeptus somnum thanks you for your efforts

[@kokunaijin]

I played 40k in the 90s and you have some cracking 'member berries in those images! I wish I still had all the stuff but I'm pretty sure my parents threw it all out.

[@cemeteryhill]

I found these Lore videos during the pandemic & grappled for a year or 2 with whether or not to get into the collecting side of things & after about 4 years since finding the Lore videos I can safely say I feel I made the RIGHT choice by not delving into the collecting side of this hobby. I very much enjoy the Verse & bought some books but the collecting side is simply out of the question outside of stumbling across something cool in the wild. It is definitely more of an issue in this hobby than others I indulge in.

[@mamba101]

If you just ignore the latest releases then this just isn’t much of a problem for minis

[@1KosovoJeSrbija1]

Scalping is so stupid, basic economics would suggest that companies would just either produce more, or increase the price.

[@BackPackBadger]

Why doesn't GW talk about it................because it would be bad publicity it acknowledge it and that wouldn't go down well with the share holders 🤷‍♂️

[@paulbrooks4395]

The add to the conversation on scalpers and corporate competence is that a bad reputation is an opportunity cost, meaning that people who would otherwise spend money when they can may instead choose something else because of corporate perception. This seems less important for companies like EA and Activision-Blizzard that have a fanbase of over a billion people, but even publicly traded companies will fire CEOs or replace board members when profits or growth rate is down. People just don't understand that most outrage spread on the internet is irrational, disorganized, lacks moral or legal basis, or focus on short-term issues (one could say that same about political parties but I digress). This leads to diffusion of issues and disaffected attitudes from those who would want to help out. Thus it is important to band together on select issues and speak out until they are reasonably addressed.

[@l33tninja1]

One thought ive seen alot for all these companies trying to make it all digital on platforms they control is for a a few reasons. Make people rent your product with subscriptions and also so when they have a new edition or some such they can just basicaly delete the old one and force you to buy the new stuff for their profit.

[@fallenfossl]

GW is a international/global supplier thinking with the mindset of a local, or at the very most a national mindset. It's bizarre, because they have insanely large market potential and are just not taking advantage of it. The weird thing is it's sort of the opposite of other huge companies, where they try to rake in profits no matter what - but then they still have crazy pricing

[@MegasLagann]

I wholeheartedly believe that scalpers should have their actual scalps peeled off

[@badcopnodonut08]

Fucking same.

[@leakycheese]

Lots of good thoughts and observations here, thanks for the video. The Siege of Terra “limited edition” books are a pure own goal from a product design perspective; what they should have done is made it a “deluxe edition” of say 5-10K copies with just 1,000 of those being signed by the author. A really easy fix and is also an upsell for GW (as opposed to standard hardback) as I’m sure more people would invest if they believed getting a full set was easy at retail. On miniatures GW know they have insufficient capacity. In the H1 Business Update, 24/25 CEO Kevin Rountree acknowledged this and stated they are exploring setting up another manufacturing location, Factory 4. Of course, they’ll need more warehouse space to hold the extra product this facility could provide.

[@NGorso1]

I would love a series of the most relevant Planets and their history explained. It is usually alsway told so incoherent and even major planets aren't mentioned frequently enough to remember what happened in previous books.

[@danjodoin4060]

I get my copy on Amazon

[@badwitchproject]

Many years ago I worked in a fraud team for a now defunct online retailer. When we did these kind of deals we had methods to stop multiple purchases via different accounts. Now bots weren't a thing then, however, people would set up multiple accounts - use different cards - addresses but the system would flag these accounts to be manually verified if it found one or more matching details and we'd have to check what was being purchased - the similarity of each account and either approve/deny it. Thats a lot of work for a retailer but it was 14-15 years ago, I'd imagine the technology has improved somewhat and would less rely on a human manually verifying accounts. It would be a financial burden for GW but it would improve their image, especially around these large releases. Oh and just to add we never took payment until the item was in stock ready to be shipped out.

[@nuclearsimian3281]

Limited releases need to end. There's no reason to make limited editions unless there's a genuine shortage of materials. There's no shortage of leather that can be bound to a book, anyone that wants one of these should be able to get them and that'd solve the scalper problem since good luck scalping a regularly sold product, instead of a "limited" edition. Just have it cost $90 instead of the normal $25 for a book price, and that'll limit the number of people that buy it, really. Then they get more money too, which is what corporations love the most.

[@Shrouded_reaper]

A cynical person might think that some individuals at Games Workshop are personally invested in the scalping market.

[@JCDenton3]

If they were smart, they would do what One Page Rules is doing and embrace 3D Printing, but a step better. Turn GW stores into 3d printing shops where you can get your stuff made to order and pick up when ready. They can partner with Elegoo or another major brand and produce Warhammer themed "Manufactorums", and license the designs as "STCs". They could have special one offs you get only in store as well. Community designs could be absorbed by GW and sold in their official community marketplace, sharing commission with designers and allowing all the super chapter specific stuff to be made and aold at no cost to GW. The hobby would flourish like never before, and GW could cut out almost all logistics issues and earn everlasting goodwill and embrace what is coming. If they stay on their current path, they will be as relevant as VHS in the streaming era so to speak.

[@willogsdon7092]

I'll second your Dawn of Fire series comments. Avenging Son and its look at the oppressively entrenched bureaucracy on Terra. The introduction of the Primaris to Fenris and Logan Grimnar's response to Guilliman in Woftime. The deep dive into the pocket society onboard a void ship with a deliciously grim dark conclusion in Sea of Souls... I've seen some negativity online aurrounding Dawn of Fire as a whole, im glad i didnt buy into the hype and tried it out for myself.

[@br7693t]

It just happened again. The black Library Celebration started about 90 minutes ago. For the last week BL has been hyping the preorders on social media. They told us, in the States, that the preorders would go live at 5 am EST. Cool, so I got up at 4:45 and when 5 rolled around, every country page EXCEPT the USA and Canada opened. The Art of the Horus Heresy book I wanted sold out in about 20 minutes. Thankfully I found an FLGS who was getting some and I preordered it through them.

[@xehl]

For me the easiest solution for them is during the announcement of a new box, model, book etc is open a 2 week register your interest period. You put down a deposit (some % of the final cost) and then after that they have however many weeks / months to scale up or down their manufacturing estimates to meet demand so that when the preorder or release window comes around you can pickup your box by paying the final fee if you registered or run the current gauntlet for preorders. No undue costs or storage worries for them and likely fewer disappointed customers.

[@inscrutablewut]

Yeah that is what other industries commonly refer to as a "preorder." GW just sells a limited stock and call it a preorder. They are clowns. Its not pre-anything. If you sell out it wasn't a presale WAS IT GW? You just sold an existing number. If it were a presale theyd do exactly as you described. They do not. I hate them and their stupid faces so damn much.

[@awolfnamedj1031]

As someone who collected the main books of the HH over a year or so( just about to finish reading End and the Death vol.1 and waiting on paperback vol.2 in May) you definitely have to order from other sources to get the whole series physically oftentimes needing to shell out some serious cash for the books that are out of print and hard to find , and while I had no preference for paperbacks or hardcovers, sometimes the only option was a hardcover of a book that was almost impossible to secure outside of insane EBay asking prices( the only fairly affordable copy of Angels of Caliban I could find living in CA for instance , had to be ordered from a small bookstore in Amsterdam, Old Earth was another pricey hard to find one). Definitely have always felt that the BLibrary needs to up their game as far as stock, especially for older products

[@warlok363]

Luetin, when you coming over the the Battletech dark side? We got warcrimes and good times. The Chancellor will welcome all willing to fight for the glory of the Confederation.

[@declanjones8888]

Battletech looks like the light side.

[@JustPlainTwitch227]

Another great dissection @luetin! Kingdom death monster used to suffer from these issues. They finally listened and upped their customer service, product inventory, and started using shop. Little issues with scalpers for new models now

[@1985slipstream]

0:40-1:02 GW literally being the imperium reacting slowly and with the tiniest of steps forward...

[@vbevan]

Why don't they just produce enough to meet demand? I'd argue that it's barely piracy if you miss out on a GW limited release and then print the models/books you missed out on, since you aren't depriving them of sales.

[@johnkon2810]

I appreciate the video. I love 40k & would love to own the tabletop models for armies I want. However, not being able to own the army I want, is ridiculous. GW lost a potential customer. I imagine I would have spent thousands of dollars on this hobby but, I refuse to be taken advantage of. Everytime I consider investing in the hobby, everything I want is sold out or out of stock or et-cetra. It's 2024. It's plastic. Wtf. A hobby shouldn't be this hard to get into.

[@karleenbergkotte2350]

It's why a lot of us 3d print now as well, you can actually get something that looks like the og model or so similar that everyone knows what it's supposed to be and costs a fraction of what GW charges to print it and you don't have to wait not knowing when/if things will ever come back .

[@cosmictreason2242]

Bergkotte is a perplexingly awe inspiring yet goofy name. Mountain-pinecone as a translation doesn't do it justice

[@Bottlekiller]

I think the scalping and reselling circus is to a degree part of the entire business model. It worked in a similar way with the fashion brand "Supreme", where reselling was essential to drive hype and demand for the products, and thereby fueled the brand's success.

[@iivarikanninen4345]

Now that you mention it. I didnt even realise that the deluxe version where signed by the author even though I have bought a few. Thats how little I have cared for the signature part.

[@TheChurlishBoor]

How do we know for certain that some of the scalpers definitely aren't GW agents? Many companies can and do outsource commercial operations and shenanigans to 3rd parties as part of a holistic market approach stratagem. That would be something GW could talk about in order to reassure their customers. However, that said, whether or not the scalpers are major shareholders, who must be obeyed, remains a private matter, and nobody else's business, mind you...

[@namefinder]

They put the gathering storm books behind the Warhammer+ subscription in the warhammer vault, but that's not the same as having the printed books to read on the sofa.

[@Malokhan]

If they don 't fill the market demand, someone else will. 3D printer goes brrrrrrrrrr

[@darrellpratt4479]

I agree 100% with this. I collect the things in the lore that I love and am interested in. This has happened with so much more than the books but, everything which is so frustrating. My option which i hate is to get the novels digitally which I hate (i already said that) but sometimes it's the only way to keep up with it all. I love physical books, but I so love Hard cover books. There is something great about them, lol. Great Video mate and congratulates on the 800k. Will keep watching from Australia mate!

[@benjamincollins3361]

I wanted the Lions collectors book, but login in 30 seconds after the reserves went live and was too late. Checked eBay and one user had sold 15 out of 16 for over 300 USD. Couldn't even get a hard copy. Hope GW gets better.

[@williamwalsh4743]

US customer here. Deathwing box was sold out before I got access :/

[@CMTechnica]

The queue system is indeed extremely irritating, but it’s better than nothing. I wholeheartedly believe in the concept of first come, first served, and though the way their queue works doesn’t do that, being random, I believe it’s better than nothing. The new site needs work though. I can’t sign in, which was an issue when I preordered the Deathwing box. Even after, I still can’t sign in. Annoyingly, I did say about a week ago they should have put a Captcha system in place in regards to TEATD.3, and in typical GW fashion, they do just that… in the wrong spot. Putting it in front is nice to weed out bots but I’ve never seen an online shop that doesn’t have a Captcha system for checkout, especially for high demand items. *And Hot Damn with the clickbait this time!*

[@leadpaintchips9461]

First come, first served is how we got the scalper problem to begin with.

[@Morvox]

Warhammer+ should just provide you with digital rules for game systems, that would immediately solve the main problem you pointed out with core rule books not being available. Locking rules behind a physical book of which there are limited number of is just incredibly short sighted for a company that trades globally

[@TravisJ-je6ub]

The sad part is people that love WH40k keep supporting GW. GW screws everyone and everyone gets mad and says " It better not happen again". People are queing up to get screwed over and over. Til the consumers make GW really feel the hurt with a general boycott, the beatings will continue.

[@krel3358]

I have a similar mindset however I only collected limited editions of books I know that id like, I also like the additional art work in them. For example my first limited edition from the siege of terra was Echoes of Eternity and part of that was because I was in the past ordering my books from indigo and amazon so I had no idea that limited editions actually existed. Later on I ended up acquiring limited editions of Warhawk and Lost and the Damned because I enjoyed them immensely and would like to reread them at some point. I also loved Garro as a character as well.

[@jedibasschoke8909]

In Luetin we trust.

[@booster491]

and in others we conquer. For the imperium, for the Emperor.

[@tajj7]

So it seems the GW, in addition to adding the bot queue thing for the DW assault box, they have supposedly 'recovered; around 500 copies of the book from the scalpers, people with multiple orders have had every extra order above 1 cancelled. So whilst it has taken them a long long while they have at least seemingly started taking more action. Those books will supposedly go on re-sale at some point.

[@ntfoperative9432]

I feel like that’s a little too low, what if you’re buying one for yourself and a couple for gifts? I think 5 should be the limit

[@craigjones7343]

And today the website is broken. I can’t log in and place any orders.

[@phoenixrising8062]

The scalping market is only perpetuated if it's indulged. The simple fact is people are stupid enough to buy the marked up prices. If you don't indulge it, there is no market, and prices drop or the practice stops as the scalpers lose their investment and sit on worthless stock indefinitely. This is not just a GW problem, it's a community problem.

[@SomeQuackingDuck]

What is happening? what will GW not talk about?, I'd appreciate a title that says something, otherwise I'm not going to watch a 50 minute video to maybe find out.

[@LinkiePup]

Product issues. There, now watch the video.

[@tetrisgonzo37]

I will watch because I trust Luetin, however I agree that title should represent what the video is about

[@JD-ii5wr]

Man shut yo impatient ass up and listen to the video.

[@brettnelson6710]

​@LinkiePup definitely not watching now lol

[@andrewbaltes]

Are you new to this channel? We come here for long releases.

[@anxioussamurai9017]

Thank you for this video, Luetin. You're speaking out on an issue that many of us care about. As you said, the best way to voice your concerns with any company is with your wallet.

[@positivelyacademical1519]

At a minimum the leather bound books need to be available (unsigned) as made to order for the entire pre-order period. It would make collecting a viable proposition.

[@brianmurphy6480]

And perhaps use the flesh of the scalpers as the leather to bind the books in. Get a little grimdark, send a message, and help point out the heretics to the Inquisition, all at once. 🥲

[@Alecallday1107]

I literally have no idea what he’s talking about, and I can’t wait to hear more.

[@Trentofredwall]

Even if the God-Emperor dies in this physical world,, he will become truly Divine and even more proficiently defend us from the demons of chaos.

[@Acolyte_of_Cthulhu]

Or hes part of the chaos

[@jacthing1]

​​@@Acolyte_of_CthulhuYou HERETIC! *BLAM*

[@Trentofredwall]

@@Acolyte_of_Cthulhu Have faith brother. The Emperor is our divine rock. Even for someone such as you, who mistakes the spiritual in general for the chaos that inhabits it, He stands strong. He protects. You must only believe in His divine power and reciprocate His care and love.

[@Yominokun1]

I wouldn't say that limiting items people can buy is stopping scalpers. Having enough product available stops scalpers. That'd be better for the players, the fans and the company. Even just looking at their site has a queue. That says it all to me. I've long ago given up buying anything Games Workshop related. I just get what i want in another way since they've long proven they don't want my money.

[@declanjones8888]

Well said.

[@chappy4756]

Thanks, as always, Luetin for your levelheaded commentary. I think the point that 10ed and Indomitous were "successful" shows there's some degree of artificial scarcity that GW willfully creates. Why, I don't know unless they figure it costs too much and they sell everything they produce so they don't care.

[@MaxYoung-Maxinfet]

22:40 I really would love to get some stories set in the dark age of technology. I want this the most because it will give you more fodder for dark age of technology, Men of Iron and STC videos and those were some of my favorite videos of yours since you collected so many little snippets of what we had seen or knew.

[@CaptainValian]

Kevin Rountree, CEO. Kevin joined Games Workshop in March 1998 as assistant group accountant. This is the problem. An accountant running the company. Worst choice you can make..

[@JustKandyMan1]

Appreciate massively how even keeled your general approach is in this video. I tried getting the RE4 collectible edition but couldn't due to scalpers, in the moment i went mad over it until i realied it sucked but if that was the worse thing going on for me in that moment it can't be all bad. Well thought out and put together Luetin!

[@Svafne]

Honestly, there's nothing immoral about copying the works of GW for private use(it's illegal in some repressive countries though). GW certainly shouldn't be rewarded for this behaviour.

[@worldlinezero4783]

Here faster than the Khan himself

[@yourbuddyunit]

Classy like the scars themselves

[@Romuls753]

If Games Workshop really wanted to crack down on scalpers they would log IP addresses of everyone who visits, buys an insane amount of product, and then IP ban them with no chance of appeal

[@dunnobutwayne]

Vpn gives you new ips

[@YolkyburritoOG]

Woot a new Luetin video!

[@DivinityOfBLaze]

I hate the fact that its cheaper and more affordable to get 3D printed models at a higher quality than directly from GW. Who should be having economies of scale kicking in, plus the use of the cheapest plastic they can reasonably use. I hate this so much. The hobby is unaffordable for me with a job. How do new younger fans get into this?

[@Arguments_only]

In the grim darkness of future there are only scalpers!

[@NeoIsrafil]

If GW wanted to stop scalping in a few weeks ALL you'd need to do is set up a system that checks IP address, checks shipping address, and compares it to the number of purchases going there and purchases made from that address within a timeframe. Set a limit to the number of purchases of each of the limited items per person/delivery address, hell even limit it based on credit card number, and then enforce it via shop bot. It isn't hard to have your shop enforce limits, especially when you're a big company that can afford programmers and may have inhouse programmers. The reason they don't enforce limits is because scarcity artificially inflated prices, and it saves them from having to ever lower their prices to fair levels, gives them an easy way to pretend they can't do anything about it, etc. it's an easy, inbuilt control system, and they're gonna enjoy the benefits of it until we no longer support the behavior.

[@dilloncartier]

Well said sir, 100%

[@Taydutt13]

I enjoy just the lore however i sympathize with you about how they screw their biggest fans over.

[@andreravenna4435]

Dude, would love to hear your thoughts and opinions on how Henry Cavill, GW and Amazon should grapple with the Warhammer universe. Where should they start? Who (real actors) would you like to see play what character? Just play around with what advice you'd give if you were on the team.

[@stalhein62]

End Times 2 Chaotic Boogaloo

[@lord_haven1114]

If I had any patience I’d scan rule books and let people download them as PDF. I mean if that’s what’s stopping people from getting into it sometimes why not make it available online to download for newbies. Eventually miniatures will be scanned and pirated for people to download and 3d print themselves outside of GW control or sight. Artificial scarcity is never a good long term strategy unless you don’t care about new people starting and half hearted people quitting and just finding cheap or easy ways to do the thing they can’t do legitimately

[@spacingguild]

Hasbro paid attention to the KZbin creators once those creators started a movement that affected the bottom line. Look up what Hasbro did with the OGL early in 2023 and the subsequent layoffs in December.

[@Mordikay211]

I know this is a complex problem but I feel it's atleast a little similar to the recent Ubisoft drama with owning games. If a company structures their product so you can't optain it legally they have to be okay with you pirating. If GW makes it so I can't buy their models then they have to be okay with me asking my friend with a 3D printer to hook me up. This is of course a bit more complex with books and other stuff and while I hate not having a hard copy I'll admit to if I haven't been able to buy a book I've pirated audiobook version of it.

[@SilkMilkJilk]

just publish the scammers personalö data after you buy it from him, so ppl can sht into his mail box n stuff. continue until ppl understand it aint worth it to shovel sht outta your mail because u wanna make couple bucks und scalping.