Weber Workshops EG-1 Review - 150 Days Later!

[@itsxris]

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[@cjlafleur7585]

This grinder looks like it does a great job, but the customer service is abysmal. I can confirm the QC is bad and I am not buying from them again because of the way they treated me during the process of trying to get it resolved. They eventually gave me a refund but only after blaming me and publicly attacking me. This happened early this year too, so their customer service has not improved with their recent hires. There are plenty of other grinders out there for a lot less money that do a fantastic job in their own right, so I hope consumers will inform themselves and not support companies that attack their customers.

[@itsxris]

That sucks to hear - sorry to hear that!

[@saltydog6241]

I believe you, but I’m curious to know more about the QC issue and their response? If you’re going to charge these kinds of prices for products, they need to have excellent QC, and, even more importantly, a track record of making any issues right without a lot of fuss. I really don’t want to support a childish and unpleasant person either, which it sounds like accurately describes the WW founder.

[@carrscoffee]

Do you mind if I ask what happened? Why did they attack you publicly? That sounds like a awful business model

[@alontzach]

@itsxris I would like to know if you had any issues with aligning the burrs while cleaning. You can look at the WW forum to see that there is a problem with burrs touching each other in order to grind for espresso on the latest batch. Can you share how many full numbers from the zero point do you grind for espresso? For instance, if the burrs are locked in 1.2, what level do you grind your light roast espresso? WW are consistently saying the problem is probably poor alignment, and I wonder what’s you take on this. Thanks for this amazing video!

[@Bombbeachh]

In my opinion, their main problem is arrogance.

[@persianwingman]

Good to see you're happy with the grinder. Considering the cost, I'd expect it to be built like a tank and having to slow feed, RDT and put up with stalling just isn't good enough IMO.

[@itsxris]

The slow feed/stalling issues are primarily at lower RPM - I tend to exclusively use this grinder at 800 RPM and never have to slow feed/have stalling issues. But RDT is necessary. Grinder definitely feels built like a tank!

[@equilbrium]

always wanted the eg1 but they have a bad image for customer services and being in the uk any problems would hard to sort out . and the few minor quality issues u mentioned for me is not acceptable for that sort of money u paid it should be A1 out of box. i own a kafatek mc6 and build quality is insane and customer services is awesome so flat max is next for me instead of the eg1. but what i will say is the eg1 is a beauty and enjoy your ☕

[@purpleblue5205]

Weber sells $2000 salt and pepper grinders, $360 french press, $320 glass jars to put coffee beans in, $400 to get your EG-1 painted black, $475 WDT tool that doesn't even work well, $95 dollar tray to put filter paper in, etc. This company triggers all the red flags I have when it comes to overpriced products. Considering the price of their other products, I can't help but think anyone who pays $4k for a EG-1 is getting utterly scammed.

[@MW9X12]

100%. Easy to part rich hobbyists from their money tho

[@itsxris]

All fair points and I agree with the other insanely overpriced gadgets

[@ilkzode1822]

Been preaching this for some time now. Its very arrogant of a company to sell BS at these prices , making it sad for consumers who actually by this garbage. The $100 paper filter is the metal version that comes free from Aeropress. Salt and pepper grindet can be bought just about anywhere. The $400 french press that will crack if you tale it hiling like that stupid marketing video they made. And this tops it all at $3k with known issues and sketchy CS. Best practice is to not be persuaded and instead help the coffee community by supporting local farms amd roasters

[@ferologics]

the only way to justify owning one of the Weber products is by buying it cheap from someone else who’s looking to sell under market price

[@_Brewn]

If it wasnt stalling and if it sounded a little better, I would have snapped it up a long time ago. Unfortunately, that's a real deal-breaker for me. Otherwise, I love the EG-1 and its burrs. Every time I see it, I'm drawn in by its appearance and I think about how it will look on my bar... until I hear its sound 😂

[@Dustmaker18]

Maybe you should hear the latest version that I got. Heard they made a better and stronger motor controller. I was also scared by the sound I heard on KZbin, but after 6 month use I have not had this sound. I grind medium roast coffee at a speed around 800rpm

[@Dustmaker18]

Nice review. Got the same grinder for the past 6 month and it replaced a mahlkönig ek43. Brewing on a Synesso mvp hydra and love the taste. Bought the black one and fork set so I grind directly into the portafilter

[@deanbrandon3615]

This thing is a work of art. I would think the experience of using it would be quite rewarding. It seems a bit large in that, at 18 inches in height, it would not fit on many people’s countertops that have cabinets overhead. I wish they made a slightly smaller version; still, wow, this is so nice.

[@rayoyakawa]

Try a DRM grinder. I got a Titus Expresso Grinder, No RDT, nor WDT unbeatable workflow, looks great and clean. No grinds flying all over the place and great tasting coffee used with a Flair 58, Argos, and cheap Breville infuser and for pour overs. Recently, got an Kafatek MC6, great tasking coffee for pour over and Espresso. However, you need to RDT and WDT and grinds fly all over the place. Clean takes time

[@drevil2675]

EG1 is still the best grinder I have ever tried . It’s completely worth the price point .

[@ihavenospacebar231]

There's just no excuse for stalling at $4k, this should have been fixed ages ago.

[@rohittkrr]

I have a niche zero which is already a good grinder but now I want this

[@skatcat31]

It's not the burrs being holeless. It's the geometry. The DLC burrs in the DF83V taste totally different than the normal DF83 burrs, even in a DF83, is what the community has found, and there's only a slight variation of the burrs before the coating, but it's enough to very noticeably shift the taste. Burrs. Are. Weird. And I am here for it.

[@itsxris]

weird indeed lol

[@Avatar711Wizard]

83v with upgraded burrs is surely a very good alternative. $1500 bucks here in Oz v's over $6,000 for the eg1

[@itsxris]

definitely, the 83V is wonderful

[@PaoloItaliano-k9v]

Currently I use Niche Zero, but next grinder I consider Weber EG-1, but I worry about service as I’m crazy about service quality. I put on my ‚black list’ so many companies like Volvo, BMW, etc. because of poor service. Then I’ll have to buy a new espresso machine, so I thought about Slayer, but it turned out that it needs a constant connection to water source. So that’s for me not an option. I consider La Marzocco Leva X, Nurri Leva L-Type (but this is 54mm group), Kees van der Weaten Spiritello (will be launched in may 2024) and looks like La Marzocco will introduce new version of GS3 this year (but knowing them changes will be probably minimal)

[@itsxris]

Sounds like you have an infinite budget for home stuff - at that point there's plenty of other $3k+ grinder options

[@PaoloItaliano-k9v]

Yes, but even our Agnieszka Rojewska - world 2018 barista championship told me, that Weber EG-1 is the best from all,of them

[@rohanlg790]

Not trying to be a negative Nancy, but for the price, I would expect a Deioniser.

[@adamgoldfarb618]

Great review. I also watched your review on the Acaia orbit. I think it would be cool if you compared the two.

[@Kuml778]

Thank you for the review. When is the next meet up!?

[@itsxris]

whenever the weather gets nicer!

[@jakeg1117]

Great video! Really enjoying your channel. For flat burrs, what's the benefit of a lower RPM? I've even read some thoughts that low RPMs could lead to re-grinding as the beans stay in the burrs longer. Curious about your thoughts!

[@itsxris]

thank you! i have no concluding thoughts on the subject of RPM as it seems to vary between grinder and burr set, for the EG1 specifically i did notice less fines

[@ferologics]

amazing review, though the constant refocusing of your camera lens is ruining the production quality

[@MichaelSaig]

Thanks for getting this second video out! Did you get to use the DB2 Ultra burrs at all for filter or just core?

[@George_explores_coffee]

Hey Xris, Love your video. I tasted the core burrs as well and loved how balanced they were and sweet. I wonder though how different they are in terms of taste with the Mizen burrs from option o or lab sweet burrs. How do you feel it differs in taste with these burrs?

[@MinimalUnbox]

One of my biggest concerns about EG1 was burrs alignment, you explained it well, but still I cannot understand how with your hands you can sense the alignment that precisely, can you explain a little more?

[@itsxris]

essentially you push the 2 burrs together and just run your hands over the seams, if there's a bump - it's not aligned. shift it over a bit, and if its completely smooth, its aligned!

[@MinimalUnbox]

@@itsxris thanks for the clarification! Is there any concern that uneven tightening of screws of the bottom of the burr carrier (after you aligned your burrs) will further impact the alignment?

[@itsxris]

i dont think so, there appears to be a max at which you can tighten anyway

[@xcreator_]

Enjoyed the review!! Could you please share your go-to Cafec recipe as you seem to be using water to bypass the brewed coffee by having water in the carafe before starting the brew?

[@itsxris]

thanks! the cafec shot here was just for B-roll purposes 😂 my real recipe is 10g to 130g water, poured in 30-40g pulses

[@kingmidas430]

How do you think it would compare to the Lagom 01?

[@itsxris]

No idea, but very curious- havent heard anyone's thoughts on the 01 much yet

[@o.c5362]

That coffee mug at 12:18! Where is that mug from?

[@itsxris]

Pureover!

[@fabianlikescoffee]

pain, brewing coffee to the water used for the paper filter :(. happens to the best

[@stavroskypraios2014]

have you tried any other high end grinder such as lagom 01 or so? any opinion about performance for medium/light roast coffees in comparison with mizen or so?

[@d4rk_entityy]

We should start doing drop tests on these non-italian made factory CNCd grinders inc df64 and its clones, it always look so fragile

[@itsxris]

this one would probably break my foot and floor lol

[@MinimalUnbox]

You mentioned that when it jams you can press the button which reserve the motor and then ramp it up to maximum, I'm wondering if after pressing that button and unjammed, RPM will quickly comes back to your set RMP (say 500) or stay at max? And have you notice this variation in RPM (from 500 to 1800 for a few seconds of unjamming) would be significant enough to make your beans wasted?

[@itsxris]

it comes back down to 500 fairly quick, but i wouldnt call it wasted by any means

[@Dustmaker18]

​@@itsxrismine has never jammed. Grind medium roasted beans and I can grind at all speed. Maybe it's because I git the European model that gets more juice to the motor? I also heard the newest version has a stronger motorcontroller.

[@movoyemickele]

I'm afraid to buy this. People keep saying the after-sales and customer service are horrible. Are there any other high-end grinders suitable for espresso? The EK Omnia is more geared towards filter coffee. I have a Niche Zero and am planning to upgrade.

[@Burton82190]

Lagom P64 - less than half the price of an EG-1 and pretty much universally positive reviews.

[@movoyemickele]

@@Burton82190 yea already bought lagom p64. Really love it.

[@semking600]

Could you perhaps provide me with a link to the cup that you're using at 12.41?

[@itsxris]

its called Pureover!

[@lukesolomon22]

Agreed

[@huntdonger]

Unrelated but what's your recipe for the deep 27?

[@itsxris]

10g in, 160g out - fine grind (300 microns above espresso), poured in 30-40g pulses letting it mostly draw down between pours.

[@lukesp5721]

I would say end game grinder 8 years ago but today there are definitely better alternatives for cheaper with burrs offering more complex flavors. For that price I would expect everything to be more than good, zero stalling and most importantly better customer service. I know a couple people that regret their purchase, after paying “$4000” they had problems and total shit customer service! Sorry but that is an immediate red flag and a brand I personally have taken off my radar. But I got to admit that sprotard email address change is pretty hilarious 😂, it’s kinda hard to take that guy very seriously unless maybe you’re just getting into coffee.

[@bfg_pz2213]

Under no circumstance was that funny. It was immature, and definitely not fitting for the brand or any company for that matter.

[@MattM-24]

Allegedly it was tard as in "bastard" but I'm very skeptical on that. Not a good look from a company that is already known for mediocre customer service

[@lukesp5721]

@@bfg_pz2213 definitely not professional, but funny is subjective, I think it's funny for my own reasons.

[@lukesp5721]

@@MattM-24 💯%👍 agreed. But at least people no know what they are supporting, or not.

[@itsxris]

I also know of people that regretted their EG-1, but personally I haven't had any issues nor regrets with it - it was especially fun to use at local meet ups

[@MajorWolf72]

So, you buy a 4k$ grinder - and it stalls… I have a 500$ grinder running at 190 rpm and it NEVER stalls. I mean, after a stall you can basically start over, I wouldn’t use that grind for anything but removing odors from my refrigerator…

[@itsxris]

as mentioned, only in lower RPMs - i generally use it at 800 RPM

[@MajorWolf72]

@@itsxris Still, it shouldn’t stall period.

[@gtaatmiami]

$4k and you need to hot start and you need RDT. I just find that pretty unacceptable

[@PaoloItaliano-k9v]

This is last v3 version?

[@itsxris]

yes

[@AnskarKong]

I am currently using a Flair 58 and a Niche Zero. If you are in a similar situation and have $4,000 to spend, would you upgrade to a Decent Espresso machine or an EG-1 grinder first?

[@DaddyMakesCoffee]

Def go for decent. You have enough time to upgrade grinder later.

[@itsxris]

If I had $4,000 to spend, I'd probably go for a Lelit Bianca and DF83V tbh - otherwise as mentioned in my vid, I'm happy with the EG-1

[@AnskarKong]

​@@itsxris Finally, I decided to go with the EG-1, mainly because of its beauty. At 700 rpm, it didn't stall with my light roast. However, the thing that bothers me the most is that 1-2 coffee beans occasionally get stuck in the tunnel. To resolve this, I have to adjust the dial to a much coarser setting and let the beans pass through the burrs. I use it for espresso with a high-flow basket, which might be too fine for the EG-1's structure. would you mind to share the through of rpm ?

[@barjee8965]

For the price, it will never be worth it as a home grinder lmao, this company charges hundreds of dollars for cheap glass test tubes and a chunk of wood

[@itsxris]

Totally fair, it's certainly not designed or priced to appeal to the masses

[@barjee8965]

@@itsxrisI'm just salty lmao, 50% salty that i can't justify buying one and 50% coz....i kinda just don't like weber as a company XD

[@itsxris]

also a very valid point!

[@lextek595]

Pass

[@DaddyMakesCoffee]

I like how you defend stalling on lower rpm which should be consider normal especially on a 4k grinder. Also the missing part of this review is how zip tie particle distribution mechanism won't cause micro plastics in cup! Or maybe it is removed on newer releases.

[@itsxris]

Not necessarily defending as much as sharing what I've learned, but I do wish it wasn't an issue. Honestly have not heard about the zip tie thing up to this point - I'll look into a bit more and share if I find anything worth sharing!

[@vebjrnsteinvik1421]

You can find some info and pictures about the zip ties on the Weber forums. Quite interesting and weird design choice.. I'd be very interested if you make a video about it. I'm considering buying the EG-1 but I'm seeing a lot of questionable experiences lately. Happy to see you're enjoying your unit which seems to be pristine

[@DaddyMakesCoffee]

@@vebjrnsteinvik1421 Orbit is a good replacement imo. Not actually need to break the bank and still have funny issues!

[@Twister915]

WOW! That email change they did to Sprometheus… How can Weber think this is what the Apple of coffee products should be doing? Have you ever seen any professional company do something so stupid? Completely destroyed the illusion of this company I had. I can’t believe he’s that petty.