J. Krishnamurti - Brockwood Park 1976 - The Transformation of Man - 7 - Life is sacred

J. Krishnamurti - Brockwood Park 1976 - Small Group Discussion 7 - Life is sacred
Summary:
Do you know what it means to love somebody?
Without compassion, human beings are destroying themselves.
Is compassion the result of the ending of sorrow, the universal sorrow?
Have an insight into sorrow, not the sorrow of thought but the universal sorrow of mankind; and out of that insight is compassion. Is compassion the end of all life, end of all death?
A real, penetrating meditation brings insight.
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[@aman_axioms]

I don't think we(humanity) needs anything more than these dialogues.

[@tjentalman]

My initial reaction is to agree, but still with my image making delusion. Why do u feel that humanity needs these dialogues at all?

[@kalapitrivedi6966]

You are right 💯✔️✔️

[@trappedinroom1014]

Armenias Thunk If you think he’s just about parlour tricks...then perhaps you should come back to listen to his talks after a few years of sincere self observation. There are some deeply profound concepts he talks about...perhaps read some Ouspenski or the Maurice Nicolls Commentaries on the teachings of Gurdjieff. Sometime a different perspective and description of similar concepts may help. I listened to some of these videos years ago, and didn’t grasp the enormity of his words, or the fundamental truths, because I simply wasn’t at a level of understanding to recognise it. Don’t write him off...come back in a few years...then he’ll blow your mind and you’ll be overwhelmed with stunning eureka moments. 🙂👍🏻

[@en3356]

@Armenias Thunk Fifteen years ago I have listened to him daily for a whole year. Only after several months I was able to see a profound depth of his thoughts. He is guiding you to a self discovery. Others wish you to listen to their words, follow them and accept their answers. I cannot name anyone else, who walks with you and do not force on you any answers, but helps you to find out it on your own. This is why JK cannot be compared to anyone else. You should not listen to JK's words. His words should become a part of you, they have to come not to your mind, but to your soul.

[@megiMove]

If you have understood and experience this . There is no more to learn. 😍❤️

[@ashrafulhaque8759]

Those last few silent moments at the end of this dialog made me cry. That sums it up all! No words needed.

[@ornellamiliciani7074]

❤️🌹

[@Gaurav.P0]

Same here 😊

[@samarthachaitanya2500]

Now I am now my own book. And Krishnamurti could lead me into it. People say they have difficulty in understanding Jiddu, But, when you understand yourself Jiddu is understood effortlessly. That's how J Krishnamurthy is. He influences the life's into REALITY.....

[@vegaannisa]

This whole series is such a treasure, a gift. Thank you very much for the foundation in keeping JK wisdom alive.

[@renukatandon7463]

YOU ARE A GIFT TO HUMANITY DEAR K SIR.. holding my hand lovingly and by making me part of this conversation you have shown me the deepest ....SOURCE OF ALL THE GROUND OF ALL CREATION...these are not mere words . thanks

[@ravindralawande2478]

This is probably Krishnamurthi's most profound discussion that you will ever get to hear. He is talking of something that is beyond verbal measurement, which cannot be put into words. The word is not the thing. The description is not the described. It is much beyond the capacity of thought to grasp it and you will find him constantly reminding the two of them about it. It is the immensity and the intensity of "K" and a tribute to his devine intellectual capacity that he has been able to capture it in words. We can all witness how difficult he finds it to put it into words because it is beyond time and beyond thought. Words and description are product of thought which are bound in time. The sacred is timeless, eternal, that which has no begining and no ending, that which cannot be described, that which cannot be destroyed too and yet be the source of everything. It is also constantly renewing itself. It is vibrant and dynamic. It is not static and therefore no path can lead to it. It is a pathless land. It is the source from which everything emerges and finally returns to the same Ground. In one of his talks he calls it the "GROUND" of creation. The beauty of the talk is that he his completely non-existent and therefore constantly says "the three of you". This only implies that at that moment "K" does not operate, it is the 'TRUTH" that operated from his voice. He is just the medium born out of "K"s nothingness. He was once asked, "Who are you?", and he instantly replied," I am Nobody". His reply has great significance for humanity to ponder. He is the most perfect Soul that has ever walked this planet. Blessed were those who could witness him live and share and drink along with him the nectar from the fountain of wisdom. This discussion is the most sacred script that one will ever get to hear. Essentially "K" is a religious teacher of the highest distinction and he begins where thought ends. Period.

[@RRijesh]

True. Lovely comment.

[@kooroshrostami27]

Whilst I think you captured the matter really well with that comment, I don't think these insights are religious at all, they're logical. We cannot make sense of life by thinking in terms of time, beginning and ending only ever exist for the individual, birth and death, but life constantly renewing itself, that energy which makes it possible must have always been there, it's timeless. We have to presuppose some timeless creative energy, other people have called it élan vital. It's true that words cannot describe things adequately, nor can they bring about compassion, but through negation and indication there still is some verbal accessability, otherwise the entire discussion wouldn't make any sense.

[@hajeradli3464]

❤

[@akashdeep3190]

The ending of this video truly represents the ending of everything. From image making to deeper sorrow to compassion to sacred.

[@raguramg4604]

Last two mins, it's goosebumps.. we are not sharing.. you, me and viewers, is only THAT! Very profound... Thank you JK🙏

[@evehutton5906]

From my vantage point here in 2023.. I can honestly say "And it came to pass..."

[@Absolutely-nothing80]

My heart bows down with gratitude 🙏 reverence to this dialogue. Long live the teachings of JK. May more and more people for centuries to come listen to this message. Thank you the official channel team for putting this for mankind.

[@lynetteneville2830]

His teaching is so sacred I can,t put it into WORDS,as words R man made..

[@biswajitmohanty7388]

I have never seen such passionate man in my life

[@khimpun1346]

i am learnig about myself through j.krisnamurti.

[@RaviPp521114]

Regards to Official channel for bringing up this perfume of sacred wisdom !

[@willlee990]

There is no "I" Everything is one . Life is an everlasting flow no end, Life is nothing but it is everything that is . We can not be bothered by thoughts because they are shalow and meaningless. Life is only what we have that is a continious flow of never ending . That is why Life it self is SACRED no other. That is what I get from this meditation FANTASTIC

[@tjentalman]

I tend to hesitate to have faith in belief in these thoughts as compelled as I am to agree

[@rratnam]

Thanks Lee, u made it more clear.

[@vm5010]

​@@rratnam

[@playerone3018]

@@tjentalman Please don't believe anything being said here. To do so would be missing the point of the meditation.

[@Arkia-c3z]

​​@@playerone3018yeah that's the whole point. Ultimately, you don't learn from krishnamurti

[@pmicozzi]

It’s easy to communicate things that are common place.... JKs deep insight is not commonplace making it tremendously difficult to reach those who are not “serious”. Can you see the commitment that JK puts into reaching others.... great effort.... tremendous!! As a listener it requires real listening, commitment and patience to capture his gifts.

[@grahaminglis4242]

Agreed. Krishnamurti is one of the few, or probably the only contributor to public knowledge that strategically paused to ask the other participants how they received the insight of the subject matters discussed and also asked what would the viewers/listeners likely get from it. Most people giving opinions/information on KZbin are generally only addressing their own particular views or those of the community values to which they are beholden and therefore of not much worth to outsiders.

[@Naranja1792]

"There is no sharing , it's only THAT"❤thanks so much for these episodes...

[@drdiptisinghgopal433]

Sir u left me with tears.u filled my bowl

[@junejune6177]

What s lovely an amazing video that I am discovering.. full of compassion and wisdom ❤❤❤

[@wildbob]

Very exceptional to have people enjoying time together, without conflict, trying to reach an agreement on ideas that no-one can claim special knowledge of, without making any scholarly references, famous name-dropping, gossip or affirmation of the "latest thing". I wonder why it is so difficult for people to do this? There is a tacit understanding here, that although all are well-read, interjecting a reference to a "famous thinker" would dampen the true conversation. May we all communicate in this spirit and find like minds about us.

[@gc7304]

See Dr Shainberg in his first appearances in previous videos. He seems he changed a lot. In this video his look, questions, voice changed remarkably. Much more comprehending and has this serious attitude. Once you understand, even a little, of Jiddu and life can't stay the same as your life before. Thanks to all these men in the conversation for for helping me Understand that in such a superficial and shallow life I was living in. 🙏

[@drdiptisinghgopal433]

A man like him has never walked this earth.He makes you discover everything yourself.We talk of love read about love but he teaches you or makes u discover what love is.Its not a relation its a state of being

[@emadmirza1248]

"A man like him never walked on this earth" . That is your perception sir, thought is limited, these are your words based on your own experience but I assure you men like him existed in this world in every era, we are lucky though to be in a time of social media where old videos are showed to us of a man as insightful as him who we are learning from even after his death. The only thing i dont agree with sir krishna is that god doesnt exist, everything else he talks about is so beautiful and so real filled with love and compassion.

[@en3356]

@@emadmirza1248 According to JK god is not outside of you, but your soul and god is one. God is you and you are god. JK in his teaching does not support any religion.

[@asterixdergallier2743]

@@en3356 yes. Thank you for putting that into perspective. In my words, "his denying 'God's is the highest appreciation of that which is sacred. Whoever means this sacredness which can be found in your own innermost when using the word god, may as well call this sacredness God.

[@SudhirDudeja]

@@emadmirza1248 haha he can’t lie, Krishna ji was at stage where he only speaks from direct perception, so he was seer, like any other ancient saint of india.

[@evanparker5400]

@@asterixdergallier2743 if God is an idea, then ultimately even God has to die for us to live in his kingdom. So say the christians (trinity). In a way, since every religion says God cannot be seen or felt or heard, God does not exist for us, and K is only agreeing. It is people who have taken the wisdom of one and then corrupted it, not that we must believe one or another. Good that we no longer need intercessors to bring us the word--yet technology brings it's own dilemmas.

[@AsifChauhan]

Insight into the "universal pain" = compassion... Move with it... Thank you 🙏

[@Gaurav.P0]

Yes dear. I am with you. Move with it. Be choice less aware.

[@tucainga]

That peak of climax in the very end leaves an resonance for a minute.

[@francescovitale7548]

Ascoltare con tutto il proprio essere non può che portarci a quell’intuizione ed al conseguente cambio totale della nostra esistenza grazie a questo immenso uomo avvolte le sue espressioni contavano più delle parole ancora grazie ❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@kamlikachandlafineart]

This is it! What was shared through this meditation IS the elixir 🙏🏻. What more could one ask for. The bowl is full

[@nitinrodge]

Thank you very much for these dialogues

[@auggied6760]

I have watched this whole series 8 times over the past couple of years. Each time it is rewarding. Krishnamurti is the modern Buddha and very few recognize this.

[@asterixdergallier2743]

You speak what I deeply felt. May this Buddha's work come to bloom and to full fruition, thru your and my appreciation.

[@asterixdergallier2743]

...and our willingness to be a fertile ground for it...

[@asterixdergallier2743]

Listening to this talk (after slowly approaching JK over a couple of weaks, listening frequently, and with an open and yet critical - doubting, investigating -mind), I found some deeprouted joy which I had not touched since my adulthood ( when I found deepest joy in trying to discover meaning in live, in similarly open dialogs). Grateful. I believe this joy is an invitation to explore deeper into its source, which is "that", not different, not separated from the compassion JK talks about.

[@bisocvasile522]

Fantastic. So simple, but complicated (by the human mind). So complicated, but simple (blinded by the thought).

[@adamjzimmer]

These videos are amazing. Share them with others that might be interested. Awareness is a fire, transform man by burning all illusion.

[@drdiptisinghgopal433]

U filled my bowl sir.Never could go into such deep meditation. No other meditation can ever lead you to this sacred point.He has explained and taken us through this journey without once calling it by the name God but made me really share that sacred truth

[@vidyamadamanchi7091]

Lovely, lovely discussion. I am in tears listening to this. An eye opening talk by J.K . God bless 🙏🏼

[@Gaurav.P0]

I too was in tears after listening this dialogue.

[@johndellanos8349]

If only humanity would listen to these dialogue we would live in true freedom.

[@rockyrai7314]

Seriously We need these Gems in our Society for the welfare of whole Mankind . NO Religion needed as All the religions are organized Businesses.

[@evolve2510]

This might be the way how budhha would have inquired through meditation under bodhi tree. This helped me to inquire into deep, deeper , deepest.

[@Zin-uru6551]

This is probably the most important video I looked at in my life.

[@Gaurav.P0]

This video series is eternal and timeless for everyone. Particularly this video has shifted something deeply inside me 🙏 Life is a sacred. That sacred is the origin of everything.

[@tsingh6229]

"Meditator is the meditation" ♥️

[@ESuccessMasters]

This last video is extremely revealing in how David is probing into with Krishnaji and opens up much more for us to investigate for ourselves .

[@asmallabadi]

Yes.. Rightly said.. He was a good partner to Jk.

[@Gaurav.P0]

Yes. You can also watch JK dialogue with Jacob needleman.

[@Gaurav.P0]

Dialogue with Jacob needleman and Alan Anderson is also fantastic.

[@pallavivj79]

When we are in meditation, there is only THAT!

[@ramongomez8849]

🙏🏻 pure human conscience in the physical form! 🙏🏻

[@WhisperingMeadows1]

Words are less to describe this conversation, Super Humans having a great conversation......on a subject which has probed humans for decades

[@renukatandon7463]

Huge thanks Krishnamurti Foundation Trust

[@D.K.TyagiYT]

This one is essence .. pinnacle of this series of talks..

[@RajeevKr_90]

Thanks to all three great man to understand us something really sacred. Great man JK.

[@bennytrinh3327]

This discussion is even more powerful than the last.

[@ahmadabbassi7103]

Yes Dear K. I share your hunger for truth with you and with all those following you ! Wishing all the Insight and the Intelligence !🙏

[@joh8379]

I love you for what you remain

[@corpuscallosum4677]

Sacredness/Serenity/Lucidity are ever-flowing in a grain of sand, a blade of grass, a drop of dawn dew, a rainbow, the canopy of star-lit skies, the flickering of sunlight through the trees. Only humans interpret all phenomena, all situations from this "I-ness" , its memories, its conditioning instead of actually living, moving, in the "Such-ness", the absolute, timelessly. True actions have no choice, no thoughts but indivisibility of humanity in one vessel in exact situations. Born, live, learn, love and die. Thanks K and friends.

[@RaviPp521114]

Yes sir, K is in ecstatic state, that he got two worthy students to share the ultimate perfume of life. And I feel lucky to imbibe it through this media. Glad to come across your wise jottings sir.

[@Gaurav.P0]

@@RaviPp521114 I agree with you sir.

[@gc7304]

Thanks you everyone for sharing this series of 7 videos. That contributed a lot to my life

[@yeshajariwala]

Love, Serve,Meditate and Realize.are the real steps to TRUTH.

[@san2k6pat]

transformation of man from ruthless being who doesn't care about himself and others is moving towards the man with particular self and universal self and highly compassionate human being

[@maverickcorner]

I am so glad I found these dailogues, What an insight in each and every aspect from top to bottom of it all -Sacred is life; Life is sacred.Thank You for sharing these videos.🙏

[@her26mlifecount21]

Only if one experienced the unknown would One understands JK’s concepts. My peace to you All ❤

[@Physics14728]

No, there is a chance ,when who is understanding the concept(means 'I') is came to an end.

[@amberlane6479]

J.K. never has offered a single "concept" (i.e., images, ideas, beliefs, or any other abstraction". J>K> is pointing out "what is" actually taking place in the human mind (the emotional area of it). J.K. over his lifetime at these dialogues has begun by stating that he is NOT handing out theories about the mind. Paying full attention/observing "what is" unfolding now in your emotional responses is the only important thing - not making a concept out of what is being detected or seen. The unknown is only present when you pay attention to "what is" going on inwardly. But it won't happen if one has a MOTIVE (desire) for the Unknown.

[@ladikapoor9296]

No words can describe...I am so grateful for these lectures..🙏🏻💕

[@daniellearame3370]

Thanks to David bohm his questions are magnificent and helpful

[@talk-in-talk]

He has literally expressed the all encompassing, infinite, all compassionate, eternal, beyond time and space - that is all.

[@maiteyailengarciacarallero8811]

CHE MERAVIGLIA 🥲 GRAZIE. Vorrei che il dialogo continuasse. 🥲 Grazie ancora.

[@renukatandon7463]

DEAR BOHM SIR u always give right place to whatever dear k says. WONDERFUL TEAM WORK.i admire BOHM

[@richashrivastava3762]

People who try to listen to Jiddu Krishnamurti patiently are very rare. At least they have a slightly sane mind to distinguish him from all the rest of religious/philosopher speakers across the world.

[@kowsarragee7357]

You are absolutely right!

[@RuznaLogtoi]

It is because of the long pauses. If you have a occupied mind a long pause may annoy you because you do know know what to do with Al that space that already is to begin with

[@AdamSmith-gb9pq]

Its a shame because in this talk the two men didn't seem to follow. Thus Krishnamurti had to keep going back in order to walk them through again, but ultimately they never got past it because the two men kept trying to understand by playing with the technicalities of words. Then, after K still told them no they had not, they simply gave up and started agreeing until the end of their talk. Its rather disturbing.

[@bodhiheeren]

@@AdamSmith-gb9pq But then you have understood it (which might be very satisfying for the ego/self image). Personally I must freely admit this is beyond my limited understanding.

[@sailing-tortuga]

Love this amazing dialogue. How inspiring.

[@kuldeepupadhyaya5875]

In the last of this video the silence of Krishnamurti ji has brought tears in my eyes.I am deeply overwhelmed with the compassion of Krishnamurti ji.In the last of the dialogue "The observer is observed ".

[@mirian593]

He is so profound !❤

[@madhavangopalan7463]

I enjoyed your discussions going step by step very useful for me Thank you so much🙏😀😄

[@alexandruconstantin9719]

Mulțumesc mult ❤🤝❤🙏

[@wasanthamuramudalige]

In all these speeches what I have seen is that the agony he face is how to give whole thing he realized through the words.One has to listen them number of time to realized essence of the words to get real idea he is trying to give. Else you get only dictionary meaning of words. If you can translate them to right places in the brain you are a winner.

[@jaycowijaya4058]

Wasantha Muramudalige but then it will only be your knowledge which goes into your stream of images, thoughts .. again.

[@madhavangopalan7463]

Wonderful meditation you have charged with me👍😀😄

[@AnthonyHoward-ru8su]

The line drawn by the responsibility that life demands gives light to the contrast implied by comparing biological necessity and psychological fragmentation and it also shows that without love there is conflict that would be behind action so that one is required to be one's whole self in relationships with others which is free of the limitations of the self

[@julioc6942]

The universal(deeper) sorrow is the understanding of true meaning of life. The moment of life in the concept of time. The deeper sorrow is the perjected emotion , at the moment the knowledge of " Life " is revealed.

[@anandvriksha2798]

Wow...we need more these souls .....god bless JK...

[@vikasghol5625]

There is no such a thing as soul

[@asmrakademia9889]

That long silence at the end says it all. Thank you!

[@aash2009aash]

Love these dialogues !

[@rameshjagtap5130]

Three are brilliant. Questioner and Replier both are searching the end. More interested dilogue. Thanks. I am happy to listen this. Please Welcome. I am waiting. Thanks. Will you please? Welcome.

[@thatis-]

Thank you for sharing the dialogue!☺☺☺☺☺

[@kamaurahamukti5919]

mind blowingly BRILLIANT 🙏🏽✨

[@keithturner2895]

Appreciate your awe in all the K video comment sections. Quite a journey indeed.

[@TheSunnickey]

Thank you

[@noone5461]

I’ve been observing my thoughts not everyday but sometimes 2 days for 3 hours and the mind goes to that state where everything is undesirably beautiful and There is feeling of love that goes along with the silence for next couple of days( the thoughts are still there but the mind is quite and aware of 1000 things that happening around and when you see a bird or you look at someone the thoughts deasapers only for a sec or less but it’s enough to feel love) and after couple of days that state fades slowly and it comes back to „me“ state. It’s been 2 years, now The observation of the thoughts is part of any daily activity and that state of ecstasy is there, but it didn’t go beyond that. When the observation is happing for 3 hours it goes to the point when there are silent gaps between thoughts becomes noticeable but the body stops inhaling until the thought forces to inhale several times the end up having serious problems with my stomach

[@Gaurav.P0]

Hey, Are you still observing your thoughts ?

[@kamalhalder4106]

who feels love?who observs thought? probably he's dead now(biological death).

[@chandruu1995]

Thank you for seeding the words so that I get to explore myself so that I shall be free from miseries that have been clunging ME.

[@DevSharma-jb2dm]

This is the closest he has come to describe the ultimate energy or principle of the universe! the nameless! the origin! the eternal! _/\_

[@sandrak3706]

Sí, y a la gente no le gusta porque no habla de su dios antropomorfo que premia o castiga.

[@localcrytidnura006]

why 38 years before releasing this to the public?....this is very significant!

[@KFoundation]

This series of videos has been available to the public since the 1980s in VHS format, then again online from the early 2000s.

[@localcrytidnura006]

i am a poor man have been buying his books since 1980, whatever i could afford once a year.But this talk is very significant i wish i could have afforded the VHS now that i know this significance.It is helpful that now i can go to k online and find more of his work that i could't afford before.Maybe the trustees should look into providing a low cost subscription were people like me could look for what is best suited for them in the teachings.

[@KFoundation]

All of Krishnamurti public videos are available for free on our channel.

[@Khmevo]

This is VERY significant. If one understands and have insight into the whole talk, then it’s over. But our conditioned mind has a hard time doing that. We understand intellectually for the most part.

[@Khmevo]

J. Krishnamurti - Official Channel are all his videos and talks online now or there are some that are still unavailable?

[@igormijal1]

Increíble!!!!!!!

[@hexenblut13]

Life is sacred.

[@piyushk7144]

You are that!

[@thatis-]

Everything has an important part in nature, as we see in this dialogue, 3 different people interacted in harmony, we (viewers) see all the bad and good there, also we see the sense of compassion there. Dr.ShainBerg has his confusion to follow the whole conversation, but JK and Dr.Bohm finished their job (review a lot of time) and let him be. And they were, too.

[@soloaskias3105]

Wow I'm so impressed:> have you given me the perfume of the /that thing ❤

[@goldreserve]

Conversation between Krishnamurti, Bohm and Dr. David Shainberg, a Manhattan psychoanalyst.

[@renukatandon7463]

it is complete nothing more needed i am complete thanks love u k i am whole at lteast this moment

[@ckaraahmet1]

thanks for sharing it

[@Feliandyx16]

Gracias al último Buda por mostrarnos el camino real de la mutación !!

[@CarlosSouza-jy1us]

a humanidade recebeu um grande presente...

[@michaelpryzdia6233]

K: "Dr. Shainberg, just listen." PLEASE Dr. Shainberg, just listen!!!

[@majak.t.135]

Oh, thank you !!! :) :) :)

[@florenceellis7126]

Is there anyone in Edmonton AB who is learning from these discussions? I would like to explore further with like minded people. Oct. 2020

[@asterixdergallier2743]

...not in Edmonton. But open for exploring further. Don't know if there could be a practical way to do that via internet or WhatsApp maybe

[@her26mlifecount21]

One cannot be in SORROW and know COMPASSION. Sorrow must end to experience compassion. This includes universal sorrow. Now, that is the meaning of death.

[@praveenvarma9107]

absolutely great ending!

[@nataliacherednichenko6732]

There are no completed books and dialogs forever. You always can say something new.

[@francescoricciardiello6123]

Grazie💚

[@bodhiheeren]

Looking at the comments here it's beautiful - but also surprising - how many people happily accept that they don't exist (as egos). The same happens around many neo-advaita teachers. Hopefully the good old ego doesn't come back at the backdoor: I (!!) understand this. Also the tendency to make Krishnamurti "the greatest" teacher, buddha etc. ever in some comments could also mean: since I(!!) am following the greatest teacher ever then I(!!) must be a great and extremely insightful person. Just saying........😉

[@errol-ih4jy]

what a man Krishnamurti is, I say is because he as left humanity so much, Jesus also said my Father has many Mansions, I believe that is what K was also talking about in death, and Jesus also said on the cross forgive them for they know not what they do, it is finished, what more compassionate word was ever spoken in death.

[@jaysamuelwright]

Beautiful!

[@mrrodomo]

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!