J. Krishnamurti - Brockwood Park 1978 - Discussion 2 with Buddhist Scholars - Can we live without...

J. Krishnamurti - Brockwood Park 1978 - Discussion 2 with Buddhist Scholars - Can we live without identifying?
Summary:
Q: What is the state of the mind that is in the process of dying?
What is death? Is there life after death, is there a continuity? If not, what is the point of living at all?
Why is there the whole process of identification, my possessions, what I will be, success, power, prestige? The identification process is the essence of the self.
Is it possible to live in daily life without this identification process which brings about the structure and the nature of the self which is the result of thought?
Is it possible to be free of the "me", which produces all this chaos, this constant effort?
Can thought end? Is it possible to live a daily life with death, which is the ending of the self?
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[@Gaurav.P0]

I love David Bohm. He is legend. 🙏 He clarifies JK messages very precisely.

[@waleeddandan]

for an imperical man of science and physics, he is incredibly open minded.

[@Gaurav.P0]

@@waleeddandan True ☺️

[@marlonsingh4223]

I see why krishnamurti did care to meet this man in private

[@marlonsingh4223]

I love David . Truly humble man

[@iminlovewithmymistakes]

damn right!

[@kennethfurr7397]

Krishnamurti's words are like a fire burning away all concepts, beliefs, allegiances, rituals, and stories. Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.

[@xdude57]

Your comment is just as beautiful pal.

[@a4ashoka]

No doubt that Buddhist Scholar is as honest & Humble as J. Krishnamurti. Incredible talk!

[@nayaleezy]

They're beautiful souls

[@GaidKhambGaming]

But scholar is not enlightened.

[@Vivek-3-12]

No doubt the buddhist scholar is so egoistic and wants to observe the facts from the second hand point of view of buddha.

[@0sh3n]

Another gem! Probably the closest K has come to showing a 'method' although it is not a method. He clearly says "Non-identification with sensation, with the senses is the key." He goes on to say that non-identification with anything...experiences, memories, loved ones etc. is the key. How does one do that? He says one must be attentive, listen correctly, be passionate about finding out, must enquire with an urgency, etc. Because the "root of the Self is thought."

[@czupryndaniel]

The more of his talks I "attend", the more often I see him giving direct answers and "methods". In this talk, for example, he admitted that's a vipassana meditation. It's so mindful that he gives it a name AFTER carefully enquiring into the topic and making sure the listeners understood the enquiry. He also reveals a lot during talks with a lady called Pupul. She has a talent to make him say more than he wants to, I think 😂

[@gabrielr8642]

You see through it without without becoming it. If you are sexual be aware of it..let it flower and wither away ...just be aware of it choicelessly like your hands moving from left to right and while it is happening so you see the whole truth of it and that perception and insight is its ending (very hard might need a few tries - well we got our whole life ahead of us). It is only when you become it or suppress it there is identification, choice, division, duality and conflict.

[@gheorghiubogdan2418]

@@gabrielr8642 Yes, the method described by you is one of Jiddu’s indiret methods that we can extract and use. Connect attentive to a feeling ( first wave or second wave of it), let it flower, discover, let that new thing also flower …and so on….until nothing is attained. In that space there is no self.

[@nomindulal3102]

@@gheorghiubogdan2418 what's the conclusion of death?

[@radhakrishnanmanickavasaga124]

😅😅💥💥

[@evanwilliamson3602]

I tripped myself up. I was in pain one day and wanted the pain to go away, and I realised that even the desire for the pain to leave was in fact a desire.

[@rodgermoorvale]

Everybody says follow a , b and process of spiritual struggle to reach a particular truth. But , mr k says start with truth , you will grasp all the truth just by being true to your thoughts. Mr k is all about truth

[@ajinkyaghuge5040]

Not 'truth' they start with 'fact'.

[@akira_reacts]

@@ajinkyaghuge5040 fact means truth

[@dashadow7865]

@@akira_reacts I would question that :D

[@krox477]

Freedom is at the beginning not at the end

[@krox477]

First step is the last step

[@sandeepmehta4497]

At the end of this discussion (exploration), I saw JK asked a question that if you identify with nothing, can there be love with your dog, wife, children etc. The Buddhist gentleman said love is bigger than compassion and compassion is towards the one, who are in sorrow. Mind plays so many tricks, since we’re conditioned with religion, scriptures and words..if we listen carefully to our heart without identifying with anything, we get the answer from within. Compassion is universal love. With all, nature, mankind, animals and all. 🙏🏽 Then mind repairs itself. The brain cells align themselves. Beautiful 🙏🏽 Sex won’t trouble if we don’t identify with the senses. 🙏🏽

[@someshsutradhar4337]

Oh my god....its highest conversation i had ever watch.Evert human being should watch it for clarity😍😍

[@kamaurahamukti5919]

am very grateful to the Buddhist scholar in that group, as his demeanor and his holding on to his accumulated beliefs/knowledge in resistance to the bare truth inquired by Krishnamurti, give me the liberating confirmation from the sometimes occurring thought, "I should practice a path like Buddhism" which I don't but only do look, observe and inquire thoughts, concepts, beliefs of how reality 'should be' according to accumulated ideals and then drop and end them. thanks to those who posted this magnificent, brilliant recordings 🙏🏽😇

[@ytadltspv]

good point. once we start learning about various philosophies, we wont have time to follow any single path, it'll just be reading, reflecting, exploring, wandering , learning - 1 life isnt enough.

[@danukashewantha3029]

you have pinned it very well. this explains quality of part intellectuals; they learning from each other and enhance the world beautifully. now a days intellectuals are just use heavily accumulated knowledge to demolish the mutual respect and truth. they are wonderful people.

[@Rheologist]

Please do not take offense, but I hope you are not using "and drop them" as a method. If you go into the observation and inquiry with the extremely subtle intention or idea to "drop them", then it is a method, brought about by memory and carried out by the observer/thinker.

[@RAKRISHNAPPA]

Listening to Jiddu Krishnamurthy's words, it is evident that he practiced what Buddha preached, without attaching any name or person to practice. This non attachment is so essential for liberation, not knowledge of books or devotion towards anyone, though they are necessary in the beginning. Problem is, we get stuck with devotion and knowledge, get conditioned, and dare not take the next step of detaching ourselves from the same. Attachment to our beliefs, knowledge, is what gives rise to these discussions. JK was a world teacher indeed.

[@Blackphyre]

The question is so profoundly logical, that it's received as though it's complex.Wow..this man was so connected to being...so powerful.

[@imthere2141]

I was going to say: And so are you! Even after this video...!

[@user-iz8lu6mj2s]

human beings can be like that. somewhat incredible!

[@nsnthsh1005]

I havent seen such powerful discussion in my life

[@mirian593]

Every effort is the essence of the self! Fasting Suppression Etc… Powerful insights, thank you ❤.

[@pallavivj79]

Brilliant discussion! I am speechless.

[@her26mlifecount21]

The best meditation ever…peace to the world

[@drdiptisinghgopal433]

Listening to him is itself a meditation.listening not just hearing.A passionate listening is enough

[@SudhirDudeja]

Dipti Gopal agree.

[@musicangels]

can you clarify a little on does insight endure without reference to time ?

[@user-qs1ms2yp5r]

@@musicangels 會 但是當你在看 它 的時候 那種深度洞察力 就會消失 因為 觀察者 本身就是思想 它 干涉了你純粹的觀察事物

[@clodhopper-dodo]

The poor lady seems to be a product of rote learning and respectful behavior. If such people are bred in the monasteries after years of indoctrination, I am extremely grateful, Krishnamurti has opened my eyes.

[@mikecastaing3781]

This one was powerful. Such honesty and patience. Wonder every time if somebody will just say yes I would love to find out, or I don’t know sir, this beautiful concept hasn’t occurred to me.

[@tripzincluded8087]

truth can never be a concept only our psychological mind believes it so .. (::) that is what Krishnamurti proves over and over ..

[@mohit-pb3oz]

That lovely Monk didn't realise at that time the man he is speaking with itself an incarnation of Buddha .

[@Vivek-3-12]

Please stop this NONSENSE. Don't try to label k with anyone he has already said that don't compare. Watch the previous video. He has already condemned buddha and his teachings or any authority. So keep your imagination or incarnation theory to youself.

[@magpiecity]

"Graveyard renunciation" is a keeper!

[@YawnGod]

Those persons do exist. They are just not in the room with them, nor do they ever watch one of these performances live. You never see these persons because by their vary nature, they go relatively unnoticed by society. You need to look for them, and once you look for them, they have the spotlight on them and are no longer one of those persons. Fantastic.

[@super7ace]

36:32 I had realized the same thing yesterday & it can't come effortlessly. becuase we have trained our mind to think constantly. We are very occupied that our mind never gets a chance to rest. Its constantly running. In order to reduce the speed of the mind, there is only one way. it is that spare 30mins or an hour daily. sit somewhere & do nothing. Let the thoughts comes, they will go eventually after a few seconds. then another will come, it will also go after a few seconds. It can only bother you if you catch that thought. If you catch the thought, it will make you think, but if you stay still, nd just see. it won't have any effect on you. Eventually after few days, max 7. you will come to a state of mind where you will have the full control of your mind. Thoughts won't be random. It will only take place if you want to think something. Its an extraordinary thing that one should experience once in a lifetime.

[@apicoder9849]

Great teacher. Not just that, he has no arrogance when he speaks to giving clarity. I wonder what is such a person called - as he does not even want to be called enlightened : )

[@brucehitchcock3869]

When he spoke at the UN they called him the world teacher .He didnt stop them .

[@andreyvaleroso]

His words are music to my ears.

[@kamaurahamukti5919]

so absolutely BRILLIANT, BRILLIANT & BRILLIANT 🙏🏽❤️

[@NoDebut]

The way he relates religious conditioning over thousands of years to a kind of brain damage, oh my - I feel like this is some sort of spiritual anarchy and I love it.

[@originalandrewmark]

truth cannot be denied and washes away the residue of the self INSTANTLY Timeless

[@Fintan33]

@@originalandrewmark The mind, body or world may lack something, but our Self - luminous, open, empty, Awareness, which knows this sense of lack - is inherently free of it. Thus, happiness is its nature?!!

[@MandeepKumar-tn1mk]

There is no slipping back once you see the truth!

[@nitishgautam5728]

42:04 i like his smile and it's same when his younger self said " truth is the pathless land"

[@aakashsharma6337]

My kind of music .......i could listen him for years n years

[@saketsagar2156]

Then when will you start living the real truth or just happy to believe in the idea and remain on the periphery of ecstasy

[@Alekos23]

Είναι το αγαπημένο μου βίντεο😊 εύχομαι να το δει όλος ο κόσμος, και να γνωρίσει τον jiddu κάθε άνθρωπος γιατί σίγουρα είναι ότι καλύτερο❤

[@rajnirana839]

Crystal clear teaching Thanks alot for sharing

[@magpiecity]

Krishnamurti is like Zen without the art of motorcycle maintainance....

[@Absolutely-nothing80]

Love you K sir❤ Thank you for everything 🙏 ❤❤❤

[@evanwilliamson3602]

Mr.Krishnamurti makes me smile sometimes, especially when it seems he gets frustrated. Great content. Thank you :)

[@akira_reacts]

@@corepuncher nobody understand what he saying that is actually frustrating

[@BeyondSurvivalWisdom]

Marvellous❤

[@SS-wysiwyg]

Timestamp 44:00 The facial expression on the Buddhist monk tells you how quickly he saw the many colourings he had acquired from his studies that he had not even considered the content of his study to be the obstacle in this soul opening discussion

[@chitranjankumarkushwaha4259]

14.4 the losing or emptying of thought is itSELF death while living .just blow my mind.नमस्ते कृष्णा जी |अद्भूत|

[@clodhopper-dodo]

And why not die to every moment? Psychologically.

[@kavita6350]

Great speech

[@ThePandurangmajik]

Just the present moment as it is and that's the eternity.

[@girinathprthi]

I don't see other Buddhists are actually listening to what Krishnamurti is talking about instead comparing him to Buddha about he said this, that and conditioning themselves further. I think we are taught like this in schools etc. since our childhood that's why we can't even listen actually even if you want to.

[@danukashewantha3029]

Yes comparing is painstaking..

[@clodhopper-dodo]

Other Buddhists only interested in their survival and acceptance from their guru

[@clodhopper-dodo]

@@danukashewantha3029 not painstaking, but painful.

[@juanjorqueraquiroz]

Muchas gracias por compartir.

[@nayaleezy]

1:22:53 These brief and intense reactions from JK are fascinating

[@technoworkfull6375]

Génial ! Reaĺy, thank You.

[@laxmihari100]

Rational Thoughts of a purified mind has a place.

[@ovasight8912]

There could be a time stamp for every second.. But 1:15:05 is gold

[@randomclips2000]

When the Buddhist priest said "it all leads to him" referring to J.K, I clearly realised people back in those days really couldn’t understand about he's enquiries. In other words, people simply couldn’t understand this man.

[@conradomscv2250]

"Effort is the very essence of the self"

[@inspiregrow2336]

There is no effort needed you've already arrived

[@johninman7545]

Khrishnamurti teaching doesn't come with a warning label. Here's the problem: unloooked for. this great energy suddenly comes and it's so overwhelming that one finally retreats. Khrishnamurti isn't the only one who has experienced the 'process ' .Then you have the " doctrine ' no teacher, your on your own. One gets stuck. This happened to me in 1980 and several times since even to the point where Conciousness opened up and smashed. You pull back. One gets stuck. I'm not the only one this has happened to. Khrishnamurti said that something new had come forth from the teaching. I kept my sanity, I saw a man who had seen the very worse of madness and all that. He was very rattled. It's doctrinair to say don't get help and have a teacher. Not to be enslaved but not be stuck. In any case, I feel this is happening on a global scale now.

[@SorrySonny]

Love is compassion. When one identifies with it to love then it is not love nor compassion it becomes an ideal, a belief. Non identification is Love and so is compassion. Not the word love or compassion, but the actual thing.

[@her26mlifecount21]

Literally crying 😢

[@preethikrao]

🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@satishhx]

Thankyou

[@deedes3127]

"I don't want to start with anybody telling what to do."

[@ChandimaChathura1990]

WR is so pleasant 😍

[@user-go6vb9vn2r]

I come from the video "When the self ends | Krishnamurti". At 54:22, Jiddu goes at the original exerpt.

[@piyushk7144]

J K and Dr Bohm are amazing

[@WhisperingMeadows1]

JKs Sir Honesty in trying to make us understand, i feel he sometimes feels disheartened or disappointed as to why we don't understand what he is trying to say, it is as if it is very simple, yet for us soo very complicated.

[@rajrajn3864]

Because listeners aren't on that level what he is talking about. They are just parroting the things that they have memorised but haven't ponder over things from their own point of view. A borrowed knowledge which is deprived of analysis and self enquiry. Just sheer acceptance of words as they were taught to them.

[@krox477]

Because they're looking for REWARD

[@sureshgaikwad5004]

And the Buddhist Monk Rahul Bodhi from Shrilanka understood. A great revolution have taken place.

[@Suryachavakula]

Jk is a truthful soul

[@DawsonSWilliams]

Not as to simplify, or merely compare, yet as a way of understanding: I think Nagarjuna’s teachings of “Sunyata,” are very close to what Krishnamurti is pointing to with “non-identification.” The only challenge with not naming sources, or making scholarly footnotes, is that historically great thinkers have already existed, come to certain insights, which I cannot help but appreciate.

[@gagak1557]

Let's see if it has a slipping back, good question by Mr Narayan as well

[@timothyblazer1749]

People forget that in the first instance, The Buddha wondered if he should teach his insight, knowing that it was unteachable, and even more so would be "going against the stream" should he attempt it. So, he spoke to some deer, to try it out. They stood there, rapt with his words. He then decided that to teach was better than not, as if he could at least affect the deer in a way that might increase their chance of obtaining insight, perhaps it would work with people. It is said over and over that The Path itself is illusion, but it's a slightly better illusion than most as it hurts us less to indulge in than most illusions, while also giving a kind of negative impetus away from hurting ourselves through meditation. Meditation is simply an exercise that increases our chance of stumbling over the solution, but in and of itself has no value in discovering truth. The Path is simply a child like and simple illusion that hurts us less than other things, because it is not inflammatory, and limits the sensation that usually brings larger harm. That's it. The Path is illusion and hurtful, and truth is not found on it. It is just a simple companion that holds us gently while we attempt to see truth. The Path is itself negated by truth, and even the illusion that it IS a path goes away, somehow. That fact is supposed to be held, even while practicing it. It is futile, but less so many others. This is what is the objection to reification of The Path ( or any path ) as an actual cure. It is not.

[@sourceofuniversallove1449]

My man's first question was 5 minutes long. I remember K mentioning that people from India ask long questions, lol. Kind of funny to see it to this extent.

[@jitendratank5545]

❤

[@mvelasebafana7076]

you know i see what this guy is talking about but i see only intellectual i still i dentify my self with the surroundings......thoughts are still destroying me im lonely, afraid,of losing im miserably and world is becoming too dangerous to live in

[@IC-vd1ig]

Highly recommend the Ojai 1949 talks, listen while on walks in nature or quiet places if possible. They are extremely clear, direct and have the key for release... much love

[@sandrak3706]

@@IC-vd1ig Hay charlas grabadas de 1949?

[@karanagrawal8499]

Yes great things reveal precise clear way about self knowledge

[@marlonsingh4223]

It seems only David boom and k are on the same page all the others seem lost .

[@lalitdas6145]

I feel sorry for that Buddhist monk although he seems to good man He keeps repeating budha like parrot Not able to grasp what K is trying to say His cup is UNFORTUNATELY too FULL !

[@danukashewantha3029]

Your feeling add impurities to such a golden discussion as ordinary layman .see my feeling on this. see how much dr walpola rahula thero sacrifice to get essence from mr j krishamoorthi. Both are great scholars in their own way.

[@karanagrawal8499]

Krishnamurti is not a scholar at all .

[@fientists]

44:00 Our relationships are 2nd-hand and not pure, intermediated by a 3rd person or a word or a second-hand notion or a prior beliefs. Our listening is also 2nd-hand, as we listen through words.

[@fientists]

49:30 The Truth, that thought is the essence of the self. And self is the source of all miseries. I see the danger and drop all thought.

[@conradomscv2250]

"Can you listen without the idea of receiving"

[@conradomscv2250]

"Are you listening as a Buddhist?"

[@charliebaker5731]

39:35 JK: can you listen without thought/ forming agreements or disagreements? Scholar: 'I would say yes' hahaha

[@magpiecity]

I like the way David Bohm looks completely bewildered, yet he was supposedly as smart as Einstein!

[@radhakrishnanmanickavasaga124]

True v underrated

[@sailajav2208]

When identification with self stops everything will be only observation, experience and response...You will be soon a flower blossomed with fragrance of love?

[@vaibhavkulkarni2496]

No! If there is no identification there is no self ! Then there is only seeing or observation ! Not experience because experience it self is past experience provides Knowledge and knowledge is memory and memory is you! No experience. If you start with if there no self there will be love then your starting with idea then you are not going to see "what is" . Don't believe discover yourself!!!!!

[@sotonyechukwu7786]

Can one listen without identification. Only one with no experiences can do this. Krishnamurti asks a lot of good questions but I have always had problems with his answers and the way he answers. A person who sees danger can react in many different ways dependent on the individual. A single reaction cannot be considered as a fact. He says he does not want anyone to tell him how to think but seems to want to tell Moslems, Christians and Buddhists how to think. I tried to read one of his books over two decades ago, definitely thought provoking but but he seemed to lack sincerity. However it is a pleasure listening to him unfortunately I am never able to agree with him!

[@hamanhtien247]

Saddly, this is also true for almost human beings. That is why we have wars. We are so conditioned.

[@beticomc1250]

What do you think about the effort, as the very root of the self? (and the self as the very root of suffering) // I'm sorry if I made a mistake by trying to communicate, I speak Spanish.

[@silence1739]

My god the genius...

[@anthonythomas319]

Wow..

[@salujathustra9905]

Closing my eyes, I'm trying to reach imaginary goals, an idea, an escape, a reality better than the present one. Do you think nature, this body has anything to do with your desire or wants and cravings or imaginary ideas or naming of its part as brain and heart? Does a brain know that it's a brain or just a name fed in the brain itself? Not being able to reach the goal, you declare yourself defeated and a failure and call the existence futile but is it the existence that is futile or your attempt and efforts at existence that were futile. They were bound to be do because you are trying to save something for yourself which had never been yours. Thought, which is a result of knowledge, which is a memory in brain itself, and knowledge which is a fragment itself, because it is never complete. If you don't identify with your nationality, then would you ever react to a Pakistan's derogation towards you? Nope. It's you who are reacting. If you aren't there, is there a problem? Nope. You can have myriad of illusion about yourself, that you are thjs, you are that, but it's all in your head. Doesn't exist outside. Why torment yourself then? Why expecting and escaping? Me is the problem. Me is that, me is not that, I'd be chaste, but have urges, I'm this and I'd be that. All are reactions. Thought has no future. Not beginning of a me, ending and picking up again later. This has happened with you so many times. Stop that activity for a day and then get back at it. why to attempt stopping then and wasting energy.

[@aseemap8308]

I think the 'me' is important to some extent. So the sake of survival. If you look at small kids.. you can thier ego is at thier peak... But when they grow old it's supposed to stop and they're supposed to become enlightened... But it's our conditioning thats stopping us... If we look at closely we can see that all our desires are out of our ego.. all the wants.. we have.. THOUGHTS created it...

[@ayellaabwot]

Lovely 🤩😍

[@GameCrafter467]

@@aseemap8308 Actually, kids have almost no ego. I can remember my childhood, it was the most beautiful part of my life. Children do not have beliefs, do not have goals, there is no identification for a child. They don't have any religions, say them e.g Sky is the God and they listen and accept it and make a fantasy about it. ( It's from my own experience, Actually, my childhood environment and events were so hard that if there was a strong ego at those ages, I would definitely commit suicide! )

[@brightmooninthenight2111]

Why is it always a competition. Ones right the other wrong. O look how wrong that monk is oh how brilliant the other so ingeniously dismantled his opponent. What is this? Intelligence becomes a way to assert dominance and projection into another to identify vicarious power but I only say this because I've learned this by doing this myself and so foolish!

[@MrDrpk]

The poor conditioned and learned Buddhist monk has an utterly confused look throughout the hour and a half of K's burning flame 🔥 😅

[@drdheerajananda]

Amazing. Thanks.

[@cheri238]

🙏❤️🌎🌿🕊🎵🎶🎵

[@theholisticfathering]

48:03 , 53:10 , 53:47, almost in three ocassions bohm asked a question that I think must ve answered, or at least discussed, and it seemed to me that krishnamurti avoided the question. If anyone in comments could leave there thoughts and answere to me, I would be very grateful

[@michalismichael5969]

As long as there is identification there is no love, identification is the root cause of the self/observer/thinker, saying this is my wife, this my dog, my house - this builds the whole structure of the "me" - In turn all the human miseries stem from the self, do you see that? do you see the danger in identifying with anything, be an idea, ideal (become famous, rich, succuss), a country? if you do this is finished. Is that death? You are nothing without your identifications, your experiences, your beliefs. Is dying while living true love? Braking the wall of the ego, seeing the suffering of all living beings and having unlimited compassion for the misery every single one goes through? ITS THERE ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOK

[@RamSamudrala]

It seems like Krishnamurti asks a lot of questions but never really waits for an answer (not just in this video but in many others). I totally understand this gimmick (I give lectures all the time) but it is not a dialogue. It's mostly a one way street. Saying "are you with me?" and "I wonder if you're following" and then plowing through is a very impatient thing to do. Why say things like "can we do this together" , "can we inquire", etc. and then proceed to sermon? Don't get me wrong, I have little issue with anything JK says aside from thinking that he's needlessly overcomplicating things but it is one path of billions.

[@logically1028]

I dont get his point.. I wonder if there's really any point in it..except saying confusing\contradictory things which make no sense and one is pushed into forcefully to make out things.. See, can there be self without identification..! Self in itself is identification, who is the one who wants to "experience" things money and all? Who will it be who'll have\go through this experience ? Who will it be who now has had this experience? These all talks about religion, self discovery, god and all, often tend to lead to nothing, but only to make confusions..or may be thats all what it has to offer..!

[@magpiecity]

Note the American flower power guy in the background! :D Those were the days...

[@cliftondonk7713]

Well ,the buddhist monk and the lady , do represent us , afraid to admit that they (we) too can,t live without identification of the self , and if we become aware of it , and want to get healed , we just clamp our self tight to someone or something , for help /to undo it

[@radhakrishnanv2286]

While talking about "conditioned mind" and by seeing the fact of being a "conditioned mind" as a solution for freeing the mind from condition; the mind is getting conditioned in a different manner. Anything the mind sees as fact leaves the mind to keep enquiring everything in that angle which becomes another conditioning process, is it not? So, as long as one remains in the mind level (thought level) it may be a derivative of "me" thought which is the primordial thought(or movement of mind) when awake from sleep! Remaining in the plane of mind and trying to get thoughtless (movementless) state is not the solution for the problem that is being enquired. Unless one realises an entity which is more significant than mind, which exists even before the mind gains inertia, thereby the mind becomes less significant to the individual who wishes to free himself/ herself effortlessly. One more thing; we must realise that the mind is made to get conditioned (indirectly) while trying to ignore the Gurus, Bhisop, Buddha, Ramakrishna, Ramana Maharshi etc So from the above two points, we continue to condition the mind while seeing the fact(with a seeing effort) and then we condition the mind while ignoring the true scholars who have dealt with the same subject matter philosophycally( not as a belief). One more information, Upanishads with Adavaita in view makes oneself to get a state of being by releasing from the "false self/me". Here also one has to enquire in the line of Upanishads with Adavaita philosophy, JK guides in a different approach. Upanishads don't talk blindly about God as a system of belief. So we cannot trivialise Veda by concluding it as a conditioning agent of mind. Like every system got corrupted by belief/dogmas Hinduism also got mixed up with superstitions which one should ignore while examining Upanishads with the help of Advaita vision. As long as one's mind is like a clean slate, the intellect is awake to the facts, one need not be conservative in admitting the views of any Guru or the preacher for examination, like one admits JK's enquiry stuff and gets properly guided towards the objective of the subject matter !

[@radhakrishnanmanickavasaga124]

Emptying of the contents of the whole minds seems the only way out of the matrix

[@usmanparker9183]

44:17 🤣🤣🤣the look is as if he lost his candy to jk

[@gc7304]

It seems after long time, somebody showed respect to his personality and opinions instead of showing respect to his ideology or what he represents. He must have felt like human being again. It is also great what JK tells him "I'm revealing my self to you but you don't reveal yourself to me"

[@patricefomo294]

I‘m telling u , i have been laughing for about 2 minutes just looking this part.

[@rishikeshraut3948]

44:27

[@musicangels]

can anyone comment a little on does insight endure without reference to time ?

[@user-qs1ms2yp5r]

好厲害 沒有人{自我]在識別 而是大腦本身有識別能力 但是當有人在看的時候 就會有分裂問題 而沒有人在看的識別 是自然的 可以發生的功能 好扯 慕提老師 居然有辦法看到 真扯

[@sureshgaikwad5004]

Nobody can love with identification

[@Navenanthen]

Can someone please explain the following: Is not non-identification with sensations contradictory to "the observer is the observed"? Along the lines of; I'm not angry - I am anger. P.s. Great talk. Thanks!

[@alizarringhalam4759]

I don't think it is contradictory. When you say you are angry, that implies there is an observer (the me) watching the observed (the anger). But the observer is an image, put together by thought, and therefore there is identification with thought. Whereas when you are the anger, there's no observer, and therefore no identification. It is only after the anger is gone, that the observer is back, remembering there was anger. At the time of the anger, there was no identification because neither the observer nor the observed existed.

[@Navenanthen]

Ali Zarringhalam Thank you for the reply! If I remember correctly, the contradiction I'm referring to is that when K talks about sensations the tables seem to be turned: When it comes to sexual arousal, as mentioned in the clip, the sensation is instantly identified and then "non-identified" with -> I'm not sexual arousal.

[@alizarringhalam4759]

So if I understand correctly, you are saying is when you are not identified with the feeling, then the observer is not the observed. But can't we be not identified with the feeling, and yet be so attentive to it, that there's no observer and no observed but just pure observation?

[@Navenanthen]

Ali Zarringhalam The point I'm trying to make is that there seems to be choice involved regarding when "the observer is the observed" and when the observer is not the observed. F.ex. when observing anger; the observer is the observed. But when observing sexual arousment, the observer is not the observed. So, there seems to be preferences for when "the observer is the observed" depending on the type of emotion/sensation.

[@alizarringhalam4759]

I agree that some emotions and feeling are much stronger than the others. But let's consider a simple example that K uses all the time: watching a tree without the observer. I know even that's hard to do if there's a lot going on in mind (worries, problems, other stuff...) Obviously watching ourselves without the observer is much more subtle and difficult.

[@harshaputtanagoudaru8159]

Such a disasters as watched after 8 years of post.. I am not understanding why we dont have these teaching in school to examine oneself and find out what life is and truth...

[@robbinpapalucas4620]

You know the answer to your question.

[@srabantidasgupta7389]

THE SIMPLICITY OF LOVE Do you understand what simple love is? Not the complexity of sexual love, nor the love of God, but just love, being tender, really gentle in one's whole approach to all things. At home, you don't always get this simple love, your parents are too busy; at home there may be no real affection, no tenderness, so you come here with that background of insensitivity and you behave like everybody else. And how is one to bring about sensitivity? Are you interested in all this? You should be. If you are not interested in being sensitive, you might as well be dead -- and most people are. Though they eat three meals a day, have jobs, procreate children, drive cars, wear fine clothes, most people are as good as dead. Do you know what it means to be sensitive? To be sensitive is to feel for people, for birds, for flowers, for trees -- not because they are yours, but just because you are awake to the extraordinary beauty of things. And how is this sensitivity to be brought about? To love is the most important thing in life. But what do we mean by love? When you love someone because that person loves you in return, surely that is not love. To love is to have that extraordinary feeling of affection without asking anything in return. You may be very clever, you may pass all your examinations, get a doctorate and achieve a high position, but if you have not this sensitivity, this feeling of simple love, your heart will be empty and you will be miserable for the rest of your life. Now how is this love to come into being? Surely, love must begin with the educator, the teacher. If, besides giving you information about mathematics, geography or history, the teacher has this feeling of love in his heart and talks about it, if in his conversation, in his work, in his play, when he eats, when he is with you or by himself, he feels this strange thing and points it out to you often, then you will also know what it is to love. You may have a clear skin, a nice face, you may wear a lovely sari, or be a great athelete, but without love in your heart you are an ugly human being, ugly beyond measure; and when you love, whether your face is homely or beautiful, it has a radiance. To love is the greatest thing in life; and it is very important to talk about love, to feel it, to nourish it, to treasure it, otherwise it is soon dissipated, for the world is very brutal. If while you are young you don't feel love, if you don't look with love at people, at animals, at flowers, when you grow up you will find that your life is empty, you will be very lonely, and dark shadows of fear will follow you always. But the moment you have in your heart this extraordinary thing called love and feel the depth, the delight, the ecstasy of it, you will discover that for you the world is transformed. - Jiddu Krishnamurti

[@kanthrajkalal3604]

Thank you so much ❤️

[@gobankgozir1758]

Just believe in GOD... what ever name of the God you loving You'll never confused

[@Sam_Prakash_]

40:05 Subtitle correction please : ‘movement’ (not ‘mood’)

[@varaharam]

They should make all his listings and present documentary series over OTT like Netflix. Are they have already ?

[@williamkoscielniak7871]

Some kiss and caress veils before they remove them. Krishnamurti burns them to the ground with glee.

[@searchmeinyoutube]

He's confusing "improvements" with "escape".

[@karanagrawal8499]

He is not .There is escape and not way of freeing old imprint and dissolve .on contrary you are creating new kind of nonsense which is waste . Create new kind of complications. And you live in field time both has different quality of mind .

[@0076jan]

JK nailed it at 13:19 !!