J. Krishnamurti - Brockwood Park 1978 - Discussion 3 with Buddhist Scholars - Does free will exist?

[@jamnoise72]

These videos are addictive so different to the superficial ego based discussions of today ! So refreshing

[@thierryst-pierre2166]

Khrisna's just a great teacher, keeping it from being a theoritical discussion while still dissecting the mind profoundly

[@蕭腌按]

它 玩真的

[@iamkk777]

The Buddhist scholar adds extreme value to this discussion. He is an epitome of "self" and gives us exact picture of what conditioning is, by displaying it.

[@davidwilson1930]

That is a beautiful perspective. What a gift to be able to watch this play out

[@Sunflower_729]

jk refused all religions and buddha teaching, which is get hurt to monk, that's why monk keep silent throughout the video, dozen of Buddhist sutra came from sanskrat words which is steal from Hinduism,How did buddha come to know the truth of life through meditation? the word meditation came from where? you never accept thus truth because you're Buddhist? and hindu people won't accept buddha?this battle never ends, this is reason why jk refused to be a world teacher

[@wandanevada4287]

@@Sunflower_729possiblity of happening apposite is also indicated by some research ie Buddha sayings translated to Sanskrit sutras ie modern urban Sanskrit after 1st century.

[@ramkumarviswanathan7903]

@@Sunflower_729 the question still remains open how can one be without conditioning in this world in reality we can play around with words and meanings but isn't that a fact which still remains unanswered

[@Chase_Istre]

@@ramkumarviswanathan7903 conditioning only arises from grasping for the want or non want. to live without conditioning is to not have the demand for pleasure , and hence not non pleasure either. to not do “action” with intent to fulfill, that is why conditioning arises.

[@annonyymous]

that buddhist scholar seems so happy whenever he gave his conclusion or whatever he has been taught, but he never tries to listen and inquire into himself. All his identifications with his knowledge preventing his mind too see any damn thing into himself.

[@蕭腌按]

難的是 真實的看到自己身上那些 說真的那否定自我的 劣敗感 可真不少 但是 看不到這一點 自我 會一直都在 哈哈

[@Vivek-3-12]

Exactly,buddhiat monk has no his own observation like K. Buddhist monk is living second hand life and always thinking from the point of view of buddha and his teachings which is another great example of ego amd attachment.

[@Ultimate_TAO]

​@@Vivek-3-12What if This Buddhist Scholar Meet A OSHO....??😅

[@Gaurav.P0]

The importance of David Bohm having in discussion is beyond words.

[@yashmenot]

YESSSS!!!

[@FelippeMedeiros]

The joy of Bohm accessing the J's insight at 38:00 is unpayable.

[@stubblecpville]

Agreed 100 percent. He really knows how to clear it all up for everyone. His ability to listen and perceive is something else.

[@profie24]

This brings me to the question of whether a physicist has learned to inquire nature and can apply this to questions of life as well. Whereas a "mere" scholar relies only on his memory and therefore finds it immensely difficult to inquire and really think? Is this so and if so, what can we do about it? Sorry I also got a little conditioned XD

[@kooroshrostami27]

Bohm is so profound when he comments, he virtually breathes clarity.

[@elenol1310]

I like David so much ,he always asks great questions

[@etfeddiecrosley92]

David Bohm helped clear up much confusion with his simple clarifications & questions👍🏼

[@hemantkhare5545]

He was perhaps one of very few who had any clue what K was saying

[@timothyblazer1749]

JK kicked him out eventually, it is thought because he realized he himself was David's impediment to seeing truth directly and completely. Almost is only good in horseshoes. 😄 a great man, and fortunate.

[@DGAWDGAW]

@@timothyblazer1749 is that so? I am not familiar with their lives but I’ve read that they became close friends.

[@SR-cc7nn]

Thank you for posting it. Can’t deny that a content of such quality is much needed today. Hope youtube will promote it more

[@rajnirana839]

Million millions thanks for sharing

[@rl3920]

I m blown away... He is stunningly intelligent.. And very pure..

[@kaloyanmirchev5006]

The scholar is bright example how much harm one can introduce to himself by just blindly following scriptures and sacred books. During the discussion it became obvious that if something is NOT written by somebody somewhere he cannot think on his own. But Dr. Bohm is on totally different level.

[@jimmybolton8473]

Agreed

[@ManuLuck82]

If everything is an illusion given and created by and upon the act of identification, then there is no real harm at all, there is only and merely superficial movement perceived by our human senses.

[@sivayanama9257]

Just to be clear, can oneself think on his own without any inputs rather thro books or scriptures or any form? So thinking is based on what we perceive-memory. Absolute knowledge isn't the human thing. We acquired knowledge since it is being informed thro any medium or by nature.

[@mikeq5807]

Your idea is sound. However, I do not see Alan Watts as dependent upon something other than himself to understand life. He does quote richly, but that, as I see it, is a function of his erudition for the purpose of conveying his overall message, which I find contributes to what he is saying as a whole. I am the first to say that one should know from within himself. What is received from the outward must filter through our meditation, our introspection. We must evaluate what we hear against our own experiences indeed.

[@mikeq5807]

@@sivayanama9257 You make a point worth giving attention to. We take in through our senses, evaluate (which is the meditative process) and our inner wisdom sifts through whatever is imported into the mind. It is source connecting with source. We import from the outward constantly, through people, circumstances, nature and anything else. What most people do is that they import into their mind, never musefully going deeper. They stay at the surface of life, and call what has been received knowledge. These are individuals who quote like parrots and follow like sheep. Most of the people on the planet fall into this category, thinking they know when in fact they know nothing. The only way you can know is through your own insights and guidance which arise out of your depths, which you can access only through conscious, introspective meditation, source through the other connecting with source within you.

[@nirushah396]

Just loved it in its totality ,love you .I am just stunned with Krishnamurthy s presence wholly with full vigour,and fully attending at present moments without an inch of deviation from the subject at hand.Thanks

[@surekhajhalla794]

I used to go to brockwood park to listen Krishna murty as we all are a member of the theosophical society & everyday in my prayer I pray to Krishna murty also madamblavetsky & Dr anibesant

[@jswootheblackscreen]

One of the simplest and most intellectual talks that humanity ever has had🙏🙏🙏

[@jimmybolton8473]

I love it so much

[@davidtanphilosophy]

What I really appreciate in this and many other K discussions is how respectful yet incisive all the participants are. It is clear that K greatly disagrees with the scholars with their insistence on comparing him to other writings before him. Nonetheless because they are truly interested in a mature intellectual "show and tell," they really want to know how K's philosophy compares to their knowledge of traditional Buddhist scriptures.

[@radhakrishnanmanickavasaga124]

Indebted to Krishnamurti foundation For providing with all our answera

[@sansce1]

The best part one can learn here is that mind is full of impressions and if you're looking for nirvana/enlightenment, it will happen immediately in that moment. The Buddhist scholar is full of thoughts (with due respect, all good Buddha's teaching), still one can not learn by reading scriptures. To know yourself, you've to experience it. Answers to any question will come from within. JK is igniting that fire and showing us the way. Dropping the self will make you reach to your core self, which is whole (universe). No words, Amazing. Oh at last I found a thought without a word :)

[@kooroshrostami27]

To me he seems full of crude beliefs. He claims that the mental faculty is outside the physical faculty, which is obsolete dualistic thinking and also he denies that we haved evolved from monkeys. Now I am not saying we derive from monkeys or we don't, we don't definitely know (though it's very probable). But the scholars seems to have a strong opinion against it, which means that he is deluded by prejudice and doesn't want to face the fact of not-knowing.

[@JAGADISHKOPPARTI]

One of the finest mind of earth

[@Blackphyre]

Ohh my gosh, this is so brilliant and enlightening...

[@drinferno13]

@1:01:50 Love = communion. There is no seperation,there is no division. So there is no speaker or the listener and there is no need for communication because both are one. There is no need for understanding because it is understood. One doesn't need to communicate to one's own self so when it happens between different individuals, there are no different individuals as they are one in mind and the need for communication ends so in this sense language is not needed for communication because there is no seperation between communicator and listener When different individuals are at the same level with same intensity and energy meet, there is no need for communication because there is nothing to understand and there is no seperation, they are one and need for language/communication ends. Imagine a world where each individual is at the same level in mind. All of us will be whole and only love will remain

[@axutgautam1187]

Profound profound profound, extraordinary

[@davidwilson1930]

When you seek outside yourself for answers you’re telling your own insight and intuition that it cannot serve you. By the time the first question leaves our thought we are already deeply lost in the forest

[@snowleopard8856]

17:59.”Choice Must exist when the mind is confused.” That is the relative truth. “When it’s clear, there is no choice.” That is the absolute truth. Nagarjuna says: choice and no choice are relative, hence samsara is nirvana and visa-versa, to express the inexpressible. JK is non-Buddhist by claim but Buddhist in his realization

[@pradeepmysuru6676]

Does realization has identity!

[@nikunjarora7478]

You put JK in buddhist or any his basic motive is to let us know ourself wholly.

[@sabvrao]

Exactly!! Everytime I heard him could draw the parallels to the core / central guidance from Vipassana meditation…. But the depth and clarity ( and verifiability ) is much stronger than what one got from even the wonderfully compassionate Goenka ji’s discourses. Gautama was Buddha and Jiddu ( also) a Buddha! It was incredible to hear this discussion series and hear him reach “buddhism “ ( in essence) to the Buddhist “scholars” ( by knowledge). He derived it all by himself, just as Gautama did back then!! 🙏🙏🙏

[@baitman2368]

That's the thing tho. By labeling yourself you're acting against such realization.

[@Mokamusiclab]

Whatever we can say about the buddhist scholar, he is very willing to talk about such matters and is always open to go deeper in the conversation. He is also really knowledgeable about buddhism.

[@clodhopper-dodo]

Yes the Buddhist scholar is burdened by knowledge, and believes it is still necessary to make him free.

[@chrishouck5819]

Knowledge is the problem..

[@amorimbritto7782]

Obrigado por compartilhar e obrigado por esse espaço ...

[@tatianastanciugel2319]

The art of putting the right questions who contains the true understanding and seeing what is! And we really have to be thankful for doctor Bohm make the discussion turn in the right inquiring. But it can be seen the answers in the very questions!

[@Muskrat123]

This is probably my favorite Krishnamurti talk, as far as the fluidity and cooperation in the questioning is concerned. Most of the questions posited are very poignant and flow well into one another with very little conflict or disruption.

[@adroitprojectsolution2245]

Sir sir sir jk sir….what a great discussion. Logic is above everything

[@RamSamudrala]

@30:57 The answer is yes, there are actions without will, self, ego, etc. Any involuntary actions for instance, from accidents to involuntary responses. Will is about a presupposition, i.e., "I will" (in your mind at least) before taking action. An non-willed reaction (such as running away from a lion) is also a response to external stimuli. So that may not qualify in this context. But things like your heart beating faster or slower is something you do not will and you do not necessarily make happen via reactions (it can happen, but not always). Those are actions without self.

[@nikhillekhra]

Great talk! These videos always make you question your existing pattern of thinking.

[@ausgepicht]

For those that are unaware, Bohm was a capable enough thinker to hold his own with Einstein, a contemporary with whom he had a friendship (even living next door to each other at one time) and many discussions. In fact, as time has gone on, it turns out in the sphere of Physics, Bohm was correct about some things that Einstein was not - not saying he was smarter or making any comparison, but pointing out that Bohm was not just intelligent, but also wise and well-rounded - he was an "expert" on diverse topics. Bohm frequented talks like this with not only K. but Hindu and Buddhist scholars, Christians, anyone with whom he felt he could learn. He is one of the greatest minds of humanity, having not just contributed thought, but many practical things that benefited humanity. Interestingly enough, he was a Marxist until the Hungarian Revolution in 1956 when he witnessed Marxism in action.

[@ManuLuck82]

He witnessed a branch of Russian "marxism-leninism" in action influenced by the dictatorship of Stalin, Marxism as philosophy and historical tendency is quite a different thing, even though indeed they have some common roots.

[@JIxUSTICE]

​@@ManuLuck82 very well said

[@kooroshrostami27]

Marx's philosophy has little to do with what the demagogues later established in communism.

[@keithforest1678]

Love - that that knows no opposite nor hindrance. True community. Universal language.

[@SagarKumar-zo9yg]

Thank you jk foundation

[@behave7729]

I think one shouldn’t comment what Krishnaji is! We all are from a tortured societies so when we see something real and simple like krishnaji we get shocked and say what an intellectual he is.

[@蕭腌按]

說得太棒了 或許 那才是人類

[@sbrave6572]

WR goes totally on a tangent about whether recording is in the brain or not …. He guesses so many times in the discussion … JK is sooo patient with him ….

[@sangarapillaishanmugam8244]

action without self thought is no choice no desire is unconditional LOVE that is great

[@蕭腌按]

一把純粹的真理之火.....好美

[@rupindersingh2507]

Explanation after 36:00 helps one to understand why one keep on falling in same potholes (reoccurring desires thru thoughts) again n again even after knowing they are going to hurt

[@konstantinxvi]

Fascinating, the main Buddhist (WR) makes an impression of having the biggest Ego/Self out of all of them :P

[@sandrak3706]

Gran sabio el maestro krishnamurti

[@francescasalatti2670]

È un genio Krisnamurti libero nel senso autentico ❤

[@satoritravel3693]

Thanks

[@Sam_Prakash_]

9:39 important correction in transcript subtitles : it is “Nirvana & Samsara” not “nirvana & sunyata” . Please note it might create lot of confusion.

[@KFoundation]

Thank you for spotting this, it has been fixed.

[@pratik6342]

▪ Choice must exist when the mind is confused. ▪ Instinctual response of human being is to feel secure. ▪ Is there any action which is complete in itself ?

[@tarunmedi]

"choice exist because mind is confused."

[@multigreenman1238]

Yes, please do more. please 🙂

[@gheorghiubogdan2418]

An aspect regarding the "recording - memory - thoughts" behaviour is that our social construct has evolved based on linguistic communication, and one tends to use linguistic thoughts to communicate, which tends to need the ego as chief of operation. Its like jiddu has to tap into the ego levels in order to communicate in such a way that we understand. So, silence and observation without judgment would bring back those qualities of consciousness needed to transcend. Also, one can use psychedelics to have a taste of what an enlighten consciousness can be like.

[@rickeshpatel4025]

Everyone says ah-hah intellectually but does one actually do this oneself? Does one apply this to one’s current life and watch oneself in life? Not try to change, think good or bad or allow thought to creep it but to just watch. Can one see without the image? Does one see doing this for a reward makes it meaningless in the end? One must see their own conditioning and see the observer is the observed. See if it’s true for oneself, which takes energy, truth beyond knowledge brings energy but if one does stop short, energy is being dispelled leaving one feeling drained. Everything said is pointless unless one does the observing to see if it is true. Maybe I’m explaining it all wrong I suggest watching more videos! ✌🏽

[@sansce1]

You've a point! Energy is ever lasting no matter what.

[@jimmybolton8473]

It’s like midnight and then forget insight forget insight forget i think thats what she was saying…i feel that

[@pablorivera376]

Rahula: "if you have insight there is no exception, all your actions are without motive." That is freedom.

[@sinandeger72]

You will never come into your own long as you follow!

[@hemantkhare5545]

This Monk guy put Krishnamurti’s patience & enlightenment to real test with his St**d questions

[@cantastorie1848]

Thought begins with breathing, breathing its the only thing we do without thinking.

[@fientists]

54:00 I wish JK hadn't rejected what the Madame is trying to say here... She is saying that in order to bring ourselves to see the danger of identification we need to come to a point of genuine seriousness to examine and not be afraid to spare any preconceptions/assumptions/beliefs to become the subject of that intense examination. The final examination is beyond evolution or time as JK says, but the seriousness of committing to such intense examination does involve some thought & preparation which involves time.

[@蕭腌按]

雙面刃 這是思想的假設 但是在看到 恐懼這塊白布後面的東西之前 沒有人知道是甚麼 所有假設都是思想為了避開所謂的 未知 這危險的假設 而 事實是根本沒有危險 這很精微......

[@MrDrpk]

The Buddhist monk is extremely well read and thus extremely well conditioned 😅

[@bodhiheeren]

Well many people following Krishnamurti seem very well read too. And although K. seems to deny it his books and his thoughts also conditions people. Maybe some of his followers are even "extremely well conditioned" too. ;-)

[@manjunathr6902]

@@bodhiheeren no never his teachings never fixed that these is correct or that's wrong. Everything is investigated. He even tells to not follow him. Whereas you see other gods and gurus tell you that they are correct. If those gods and gurus correct. In these world who follow them not behave irresponsible in many aspects.

[@yashmenot]

I respect this woman!!!!!!!!!!!

[@johndillon6330]

David B. made such a good point at the end.

[@SudhirDudeja]

Wish k answered it

[@andrius00]

Why didn't K. answer it? Is it just becouse he didn't want to say "love yourself in order to love humanity and vice versa"? He wanted to evade the duality of the self and mankind, because these things make one whole thing?

[@AbdulAli-ce4np]

Great job

[@maiteyailengarciacarallero8811]

Grazie

[@amankejriwal2164]

In the first discussion 'walpola rahula' made it look as he met Kriahnaji for the first time in-person and in the second discussion he even accepts that he never had got the chance to meet krishnaji alone in-person and discuss his questions, But in this discussion out of nowhere he points out things from his meeting with Krishnaji in paris where they both seemed to have a discussion. Can anyone clarify?

[@ToniWCampbell]

There could have been a public discussion there as well, I don’t know. But what is the point of inquiring about it.

[@socco90]

He took it as an example, He never met him in Paris , he even said that in that discussion

[@QuantumSatsang]

It was taken as an example guys, krish often does this.

[@QuantumSatsang]

@Dònal Brügge you are not listening

[@sriniakula7484]

Identifying an external object or an internal feeling or sensation by a name (word) is the basis or starting point of recording. Is that correct?

[@mayaciza8337]

❤❤❤

[@manumaster1990]

nice

[@Kris-ms2yg]

All I learned from this was the beautiful ladies in the background 😍

[@laurentiutopriceanuguildwa8257]

14:31 --> will = promise, not desire (desire = want ( I want, I desire )

[@cat-lm7oo]

insight is instant

[@indianblues77]

Until one is filled with the same love and intensity of K, one can never have the insight he is pointing it out. When you actually have it you will see that you are K and there nothing exists except K.

[@MuharremSari]

+Haridoss R Who is K? Is it different from me? Who I am? What hi says it's the acces. Take your ticket and cmon because you're missing something dude

[@MuharremSari]

+calvin clay thank you I see that video again :)

[@marcusfreeweb]

I sense a lot of anger in his talking demeanor, as if talking to a small unwilling, stubborn child, again and again he has to point out the same things.. is he bored of it? Is it only me? I feel an angry and potentially, authoritarian impulse, in the way he is stressing certain words. They are hitting hard. Is he trying to make 'em hit harder than necessary, from the point of bringing through truth?

[@manojs3728]

@@marcusfreeweb But I simply loved the manner in which K engaged himself while fielding shallow ideas from the scholar - with a little bit of lively disappointment ...

[@nani9102]

@@marcusfreeweb He more times than not claims his subjective views to be objective truths. You can see that when he repeatedly says, "It's so simple." When you try to separate some of such views (example: love, anti-patriotism), you might see a few of his views to be quite insightful and maybe close to human nature or even the universe.

[@Gaurav.P0]

Is he talking about telepathic communication ? at 1:02:00

[@shahsunil2]

Gaurav: I think it’s like a couple in deep love, sitting side by side, silently…. They may say nothing to each other, but there is a tremendous existence of trust between the two, born out of love (“communication”). Everything else that happens between them is from this basis of “communication”.

[@Gaurav.P0]

@@shahsunil2 Thank you 🙏

[@gc7304]

Depending all your life on the words of Buddha, taking no responsibility to think, create and express your own ideas, thoughts... Telling everything from the mouth of a 3rd party person...using many magical words and feeling proud of it... It's really annoying, has no difference from the empty preaches of a religious clerk.. Thanks to JK, I can most clearly understand now that the pathless way of the truth and no religion and sect can help us get there..

[@Sunflower_729]

@Dònal Brügge he attacked on your belief system that is why you get hurt, dozen of Buddhist sutra came from sanskrat words which is steal from Hinduism,How did buddha come to know the truth of life through meditation? the word meditation came from where? you never accept those truth because you're Buddhist? and hindu people won't accept buddha? this is reason why jk refused to be a world teacher

[@Sunflower_729]

💯💯

[@_arturjutkowiak_film]

What words? Buddha didin't say a word.

[@sartajsingh6372]

J is absolute.🙏

[@bahmannasirifar7145]

1:10:00 the Buddhist guy go nuts from this point. it's so interesting that all the religious people believe in their religion the exact same:) everyone thinks his religion is the best one.

[@Sunflower_729]

exactly 💯

[@Sunflower_729]

jk refused all religions and buddha teaching, which is get hurt to monk, that's why monk keep silent throughout the video, dozen of Buddhist sutra came from sanskrat words which is steal from Hinduism,How did buddha come to know the truth of life through meditation? the word meditation came from where? you never accept thus truth because you're Buddhist? and hindu people won't accept buddha?this battle never ends, this is reason why jk refused to be a world teacher

[@sodheymaryul4044]

@@Sunflower_729 There was no Hindu before Arabic rulers in India and no much Hinduism before British in India but Buddha was before Arbic and before British so your comment is not a valid reason just hearsay.

[@binaydhawa7666]

@@sodheymaryul4044 no but he's referring to the practises, buddhism in a sense doesn't say that they are the only way to achieve nirvana, it speaks there are other ways but this is only one way. I don't think Buddhism and Hinduism do fight with each other because, they both preach the same thing just in different perspective though I might be wrong, I haven't researched deeply into either...

[@aman7697]

@@sodheymaryul4044 but Sanskrit is older budha , and Sanskrit belongs to hindus I think ?

[@nrspinelli]

man there are some dense people in this discussion.........

[@carlosalbertodesouza8599]

o grande segredo foi revelado a humanidade...

[@perfectsolutionsclassified428]

Experience it in daily life..

[@gagak1557]

I can't help but laugh at 1:03:16 looking at WR 😂 he is confused but feeling compelled to answer. Also at 1:03:47

[@anestos2180]

also at 1:07:19 😂

[@birbparrot630]

なぜそもそも選択の必要性があるのか？ これはとても重要な問いだと思いました

[@stevendelgado5654]

We need to create a single universal language for all universal human emotion…so many languages become 1 single fundamental relatable experience by emotional relatability (sad,happy,sorrow, etc)experience not the selfish personal (special, unique, different scheme)(country,music, lifestyle)(good or bad)(holy not holy) which divides us in society

[@nobodyreally]

Interesting.... Words and symbols and their relations to thinking or thine•king, the all seeing eye/i, the ego. The•o = god, |re|’s = again, back again... Re is a variant spelling of Ra (the sun god). Theory/the•o•re. “There is nothing new under the sun.” 🌻

[@nayanar2023]

Sir , you do we comment at all ??

[@marymcauley]

The impression of choice comes from imagined alternatives to what is.

[@stormypole]

What is an instinct? Is it not the will to exist? And is that will or purpose or desire an inborn or self taught or rather an instinct? Or is it self preservation? Or is it the will to survive ? Or is tailored in our genes? Has it started right from fertilisation? Are these process a preprogrammed process? Can these process be called as thought in itself? Or is it that thought arises as a result of self preservation? Or is it that thought and fertilisation is an axiom?

[@mikeq5807]

He spoke of suicide when he alluded to the atomic bomb, towards the end of the talk. That triggered a reflection within me, that figuratively we all commit suicide because the self we were no longer exists. It's called evolving, maturing. And that is the essence of spontaneous meditation, a type of conscious meditation

[@prajwaljoseph2351]

Right understanding is devoid of the past

[@智慧之光-y1t]

1:01:50 Love=communication without words

[@drinferno13]

Love = communion. There is no seperation,there is no division. So there is no speaker or the listener and there is no need for communication because both are one. There is no need for understanding because it is understood. One doesn't need to communicate to one's own self so when it happens between different individuals, there are no different individuals as they are one in mind and the need for communication ends so in this sense language is not needed for communication because there is no seperation between communicator and listener.

[@RamSamudrala]

The will is ego. But "free will" is a philosophical concept that has nothing to do with desire. It has to do with whether we're puppets or not, a semantic issue. In a deterministic universe, there is no free will. In a non-deterministic universe (as I believe we're in), there is, regardless of the metaphysical way of thinking about "will". When we talk about "free will", we cannot separate "free" and "will". It is one phrase that means a specific thing which is not the same as will/desire.

[@sushil6509]

No offence but i can notice Mr.K was having a habbit of interrupting others while they were talking Was it for some purpose?or just a habbit like ofc no ones perfect

[@_arturjutkowiak_film]

He also often asked questions and had no idea ho wto answer them, looking around for help 🤣😂

[@Adil789]

'When I see myself as a whole, the parts disappear.'

[@cheri238]

🙏❤️🌎🌍🌏🌿🕊🎵🎶🎵💫✨️💫

[@TauCrossIsChrist]

I'm so saddened that free will doesn't exist

[@yacovmitchenko1490]

Although it would be fair to say that we can't think or record without a body, we need to be careful, cautious. What do you mean by "I"? Am I the brain and body exclusively? Or is the body in me? Or am I only the mind? And what exactly is the mind? Just thoughts, sensations? How can you be sure that thinking and recording require a body? You see, if the body is in me, rather than I am the body exclusively, then it might be possible for me to remember without a body (at least the gross body I have now). How can you be sure that memory is the sole expression or feature of the body? We simply don't know. One can't rule out the possibility simply because it doesn't jive with mainstream science. Here's another possibility. Consider all those elements our bodies are made of. Among the many elements involved is water. Where did the water come from? Clearly from the planet, which we normally regard as outside of ourselves, or separate. Now if all our cells contain memory (not just the brain), then perhaps water has memory, or at least some rudimentary form of memory. Our bodies are stardust, so perhaps the sun itself has memory too? If so, how far back might that memory go? The point is that the locus of memory need not be confined to this little gross body; it might be spread everywhere, in differing degrees. We can't be sure. Not only that, but memory might even play a role on a sub-atomic level. Krishnamurti and the Buddhist scholar at times come across as a little overconfident in their statements.

[@vipulupadhyay503]

Krishna ji , I wish you were present on the earth. Pardon me for wishing something 😅

[@Sniperr2727]

I didn't get the "monk's favourite cat " joke...explain

[@roshanpradhan12]

You don't need monkey to mediate. He used to hold his cat out of affection but later people were searching for monkey thinking it as the part of meditation.

[@ricardogarciagil1633]

Este vidio es el ejemplo.de que vamos a una destrucción total de la humanidad.

[@roncarvalho]

Perhaps out of compassion or otherwise, Krishnamurti DESIRED that people understood what he was saying, did he not?

[@jagisathome]

have you noticed how K interrupts another talking? in this there is the danger of the speaker is more important than the listener.

[@bberrr]

How did thought begin? It's hard to say when no one can finish a thought without "no, no, no!".

[@GaneshNikrad]

Many times K imposes his thoughts on others

[@Sarah-ln4qc]

He hears everything, intention, emotion, he has clear perception. He interrupts because he wants you to keep questioning your beliefs. If you allow someone to be “above” you that’s still your own trap. He tells you”don’t believe anything I say try it”

[@ishtiaqgardezi8214]

For Inventions no memory works. How is that?

[@bhuwan.chaturvedi]

❤

[@venumenon928]

The questioner has a point in inquiring about the origin of memory, that the information gathered by the senses is processed by the brain/mind to make sense of it all. But that does not explain the origin of the whole process. Where does it all begin? It seems to me the discussion is at this point mired in words, when the aim is to move away from words to wordless communication.

[@gabrielrivera1135]

Some things are conditioned, and others are not. Concepts exist by comparison; it is said that in a universe where everything is blue the concept of blue would not exist. The cause-and-effect relationship is perceptible because the unconditioned also exists, for example emptiness or vacuity is not the result of a cause, it is not an effect, a product, and its existence allows us to see determinism, in the same way that the silence between each musical note allows us to perceive the melody. The actions which arise from the vision of the undetermined are free actions because the undetermined has no past, it is not the result of a cause which precedes it.

[@pembasherpa9899]

Dr. Rahula is very clever guy 😅😅

[@krishnachaitanya4822]

The girl laughing at 1:28:52 😆

[@pratik6342]

Were you listening or looking at the girl...? I guess you were observing " WHOLLY" as K says 😅

[@topnotch391]

40:39 ❤

[@nikunjarora7478]

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