Jack the Ripper Detective Abberline - Was he any good?

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

So was Inspector Abberline all that? What do you think?

[@rizmark5522]

I like Abberline, he was honest! A Riperologist sent me proof once that the Inspector was a Mason which he joined during the Ripper Investigation and then left them a few years after! Strange!

[@rogerscottcathey]

Think in the coming year you might make a piece on James Maybrick supposed diary? The diary does have the quirky saucy self-satisfied writing style akin to the dear boss letter . . . Though I imagine that was intentional to copy the advertised letters . . .

[@WerewolfJTG]

@@thehouseoflechmere9407 I think he was a good police officer but I think he and all the other policemen fell foul of going for the leather apron approach and not seeing what was right there in front of them Lechmere admitted he found the body and Robert Paul walked up behind him it’s right there glaring at them in the face that he should be at first treated as a suspect until cleared etc I think the police got it all wrong and that’s on the police including Abberline as to why they didn’t suspect Lechmere and investigate him as to guilt or innocence. I think Detective Andy Griffith was bang on in the great program Jack the Ripper the missing evidence he nailed it perfectly

[@WerewolfJTG]

@@jacktheripper1888jtr the only thing nailed was Andy griffths statement Lechmere should have been investigated as the finder of the body that’s it everything else is open to debate

[@davesmith7432]

@@WerewolfJTG agreed

[@joecantrell8516]

Just a comment to show support. You are my favorite Ripper channel. Keep them coming !

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Thank-you

[@jessejames4599]

I think Lechmere outsmarted them all and had the best disguise of all. He used the crime scene to paint a picture of the the suspect that beared no resemblance to the perpetrator. He was able to calmly stare them in the face as they ignored proper investigative technique because they were looking for a "raging mad man."

[@davekeating.]

What picture did Lechmere paint for the other four Ripper murders? Or did he simply just run out of paint?

[@11zanderman]

Another good one. I appreciate the work you put into produce these videos.

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Thank you

[@mpol701]

Agree always a good watch

[@jez6208]

Cracking stuff! That's my Friday sorted! 😊

[@philjones6054]

I've watched every video uploaded on this channel, and the quality of production and presentation is absolutely first class each and every time. Thoroughly entertaining and highly informative, too!!

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Thank you

[@Tremayne4260]

Happy New Year Mr Stow! Can’t wait for another good film from you❤

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Happy new year!

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Happy new year!

[@noname2490]

Still better then modern British police. They wait for someone to post a meme they don't like and arrest them.

[@LKMNOP]

I think you did an excellent job of summarizing the problems the police had in this type of investigation. The detective did his well as anyone could, and probably better. People don't realize the amount of work involved because they only watch movies which cut out all of the tedious parts. He did have his prejudices and biases but then so do police today.

[@MikeB071]

Interesting to see the popular media portrayals of Abberline. I liked Michael Caine's Abberline in the 1988 TV miniseries; Johnny Depp's portrayal of him as an opium fiend was just ridiculous.

[@Jamie_E_Pritchard]

From Hell was a bloody awful film all around 😂

[@chynnadoll3277]

Johnny Depp probably IS an opium fiend.

[@carolinemitchell4652]

Another WONDERFUL production!! Thank you Mr.Stow!!

[@bobmills2371]

It’s astonishing Helson and Abberline missed that Lechmere had been alone in Bucks Row with the victim prior to Pauls arrival. It’s even more so that the disagreement over what was said between Lechmere and PC Mizen was overlooked too. Lechmere lied to a policeman minutes after being found standing next to a freshly killed body down a deserted back street. Abberline didn’t appear to find this suspicious.

[@Ettrick8]

Yet he gave his actual address and turned up at the inquest and gave evidence.

[@davesmith7432]

@@Ettrick8 Only 1 paper out of 10 or 12 got his address. They all got his name wrong, some even calling him “George Cross”. So he wasn’t that cooperative. And he didn’t turn up to the inquest until after he was mentioned in the papers by Paul.

[@Ettrick8]

@@davesmith7432 and 1 reporter got it wrong and another 10 reporters copied the mistake. However, the only address that matters is the one he gave to the police and at the inquest.

[@dermotkelly6946]

Much appreciated Edward , will watch over the weekend, thank you 👍

[@TK-tt7jm]

Imagine the Serials of today operating back then.. it would be a free-for-all. Yorkshire, green river, Dahmer, Gacy, Grim sleeper, Night stalker, Cotingham, Bundy, etc etc etc. These took so much time and evidence to catch, often decades, with the greatest tools and minds working together. They simply had no chance of catching the real guy back then. How awful for the investigators and public in general. To always live in fear with no closure or form of justice. 22:24 Says it all. They simply had no training and forensics was almost non existent. Thank you for another episode of quality investigation into this extraordinary phenomenon! 🥂 😎

[@davesmith7432]

I thought Abberline was opium addicted psychic! lol The way the investigation keyed on “Leather Apron” reminded me of how the police keyed on the Geordie accent in the Yorkshire Ripper case. Well done pointing that out again Ed! Good video as always!

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Yes - these one tracked focuses are very common in police investigations - like also in the Jill Dando case.

[@luke125]

@@thehouseoflechmere9407Except that Special Branch knows exactly what happened to Dando.

[@Carolinel673]

I forgot the other YT you uploaded in your opinion & provisional opinion’s of then & now would the killed NEED a good deal of knowledge on bodies ? If so the DR & Butcher is why people think that .

[@johannajames7824]

Yes that's a really good point!

[@rogerabarber175]

Great research as usual Edward. The Victorian police didn't know what they were dealing with. I still believe that the real killer committed suicide on 16th November 1888. His name was Edward Buchan.

[@LauseMarkA]

Very welcome new insights on this.

[@AlinJapan]

Thoughtfully and methodically presented, this humanizes Detective Abberline.and the overwhelming task he faced.

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Thank you

[@WerewolfJTG]

The one thing that stands out in this and can’t be overlooked is how long was Lechmere standing there near the deceased before Robert Paul arrived. lechmere gave two times he left the house 3.20am in two accounts and 3.30am in another. But were those times accurate he could have left anytime before 3.20 or 3.30am The police missed a glaring opportunity to haul Lechmere in and investigate him to access guilt or innocence as detectives today would certainly have done right away had police did that we may well not be talking about Lechmere today as a suspect

[@tonysmith3556]

Hear hear. The fact there was no blood then lots of it should have led to a deeper understanding of the time of death. The most compelling evidence is that of Dr llewellyn placing time of death as when Lechmere was there and no one else was. Also the covering of torso wound to hide the worst of it pulling clothes down to pelvic area. Jack always left the wounds on show therefore he was disturbed.

[@WerewolfJTG]

@@jacktheripper1888jtr exactly there’s no accurate time for Lechmere which renders all times he gave or might have given as completely irrelevant as lechmere or anyone investigating can’t prove an exact time he left home so he should have been investigated there’s to many loose ends as they say

[@WerewolfJTG]

@@jacktheripper1888jtr Lechmere and Robert Paul both said they saw no blood but they left the scene after mere minutes so your correct at that point the police officer PC Neil said there was blood but that’s after Lechmere and Paul had already left the scene

[@WerewolfJTG]

@@jacktheripper1888jtr they need to get exact timings for Lechmere’s movements from the time he left the house to his arrival at bucks row all times are irrelevant as they can’t be nailed specifically he could have left the house at 3.35 thereby arriving three minutes ahead of Paul who said he entered bucks row at 3.45 there’s to many loose ends around it you can’t pin anything down as accurate up to that point of Lechmere finding the body nothing definitively says Lechmere is or was Jack The Ripper

[@davesmith7432]

@@jacktheripper1888jtr bottom line, LECHMERE was alone with the dying Polly Nichols. The wounds covered by this notorious display killer. It doesn’t matter what time he says he left. He’s not reliable alibi and he will go on to be a known liar. This is difficult for you to accept. But when coincidences start accumulating in true crime, along with deception, it’s an indication of guilt. I recommend you study criminal psychology to better understand the nature of psychopaths.

[@davidjohnson9132]

Seeing “Charles Cross” written on that document really does bring it home that maybe Lechmere really did slip through the cracks. To be fair to Abberline if he didn’t know the discrepancy he couldn’t have been expected to have investigated it. To quote Alfie Solomons “if ya don’t know, then you don’t fucking know, do ya? “ Yes it can be argued that Lech gave his correct address so reasonably it would have to be assumed he was eliminated from inquiries, but I dunno seeing it written makes you think he really did just luck out. The Cross name not being known in the existing family is really creepy to me .

[@mymymytoo]

lucked out ?

[@tonysmith3556]

I think Abberline was overwhelmed by incoming tips. He didn't have cctv, number plate recognition and computerised records. He was a very good copper of his day. I wonder what he thought of Lechmere

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

I doubt he gave Lechmere two thoughts unfortunately

[@EricWolfe-w3c]

@@thehouseoflechmere9407Great work as always. You and Holmgren make a very convincing case for Lechmere but I really love Bruce Paley’s book naming Joseph Barnett. I can’t decide who the better suspect is but surely The Ripper is one of these two guys. Maybe Barnett killed Kelly and Lechmere the others?

[@danb2622]

Superb investigative reporting as usual, Edward!

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Thank-you

[@awotnot]

I think it's fair to say the police were incompetent and out of their depth. But I wonder if Abberline was hamstrung not only by theories but also by his bosses further up the chain of command. It's a shame that whilst modern investigators can envisage manifold theories justice for the victims was never achieved.

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

True

[@TK-tt7jm]

Like in the Yorkshire case, a hoaxer mailed in a tape 'man with a Jordy accent' that sent the whole government off in the wrong direction with bias coming out their ears. 🥂 😎

[@rickjensen2717]

Excellent presentation Ed - I think Abberline did a reasonable job given the world in which he lived, and the understanding of criminality the police had at the time. He did make mistakes and spent a lot of time on dead end lines of enquiry, but we need to remember that our current knowledge of serial killers was not understood at the time.

[@susannah1066]

Great information. 🎩

[@milesnixon9554]

Thanks for further exploring this fascinating history. I'd venture to suggest Abberline is the UK's most famous policeman, largely due to the efforts of another of course, yet we know so little about him.

[@shellyseymore6249]

THE MINUTE *@Edward "house of Lechmere" Stow* sends me a notification!!! .....🏃🏽‍♀️💨

[@teggan]

Another brilliant presentation on people engaged in the Ripper search. What kind of education on such crimes did Abberline have? If the prejudice was widespread in the police and the judiciary, then many possibilities could be overlooked.

[@ryanvids1]

This is a good birthday present

[@davesmith7432]

@@ryanvids1 Happy Birthday!

[@User1941b]

@@ryanvids1 yoo Happy Birthday 🥳

[@garrypullen5711]

Yes - I think that’s an accurate and well balanced presentation on what Abberline and his associates were facing. Well done !

[@barryballinger5912]

I always wondered about inspector aberlines work in this ,his name always comes up in numerous books documentarys etc,this is the first in depth information on aberlines work on the case.Brilliant video ed .x

[@marthastubbs8321]

They should make a movie called Lechmere about this theory. Woild be fascinating. Dont have to say its exactly how it went down in real life, it's just a theory. But to have the ripper be under the polices noses the whole time would be so interesting for a movie

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Yes it would

[@davesmith7432]

@@jacktheripper1888jtr ‘Cross’ was an alias. Oh wait…I forgot about the 300 year old law that states you can use any name you want interchangeably. Remember, the one you told me about. 😉

[@marthastubbs8321]

Like The Irishman starring De Niro about Frank Sheeran. Some don't believe that is how it really went down in real life but it made an entertaining movie

[@grimbrum]

It is astonishing that no one even thought to look a little bit closer at that Cross Guy. *picard facepalm gif here*

[@addie_is_me]

"picard facepalm gif here."

[@mymymytoo]

They did he gave statements he was investigated so was Robert they had no suspicion throughout the murders so let it go

[@DiniAdd0807]

I really feel sorry for the police during this time. They were way in over their heads.

[@omarhamid3638]

Very interesting! Thanks very much for sharing 👏✌️

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@PerryCJamesUK]

Lovely, I got in nice and early for this one.

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Enjoy!

[@washingtonradio]

Aberline and any other competent detective of the era were in trouble with this case. Serial killers are hard to apprehend today even with our forensic capabilities and knowledge of serial killers. The fact he didn't ignore the fact most murder victims are killed by someone they know shows he knew what he was doing. The problem with serial killers is there the connection is basically random chance between the killer and the victim. With basically eyewitness accounts of wildly varying quality I'm not surprised he overlooked potential suspects. Even now, when a serial killer is caught it's not unusual for the killer to be someone who the police were not aware of or suspected in the case until much later.

[@MelanieRuck-dq5uo]

The research that Edward does for these videos seems incredibly extensive and with such depth. Another fascinating video. Edward said that Abberline joined the Met in 1863 and this got me thinking. Of course, Charles Dickens died eighteen years before these evens. However, it is know that Dickens had an absolute fascination for and admiration of this young police force and would 'hang around' (to loosely phrase it!) with its members when the opportunities arose. So, I just wonder if the author and Detective Abberline were ever in each others company between 1863 and 1870.

[@LyraMicki]

Short of catching the ripper in the act, the police had little to no chance of catching him back then. Other than the fact that forensic science wasn’t available to them, I think this really is primarily because they (and society as a whole) didn’t yet know that psychopathic killers display as everyone else at face value - that they look “normal” and seem to have normal lives. I know you’ve mentioned this in several videos and dedicated a video to it, but it just can’t be overstated. We know it can’t be said enough because people in this day and age with the information at their fingertips STILL think the culprit was someone deemed insane with mental illness!?! I’ve no doubt Abberline, on the other hand, would have understood how silly that is if he’d had the privilege of today’s knowledge. It was simply and unfortunately unknowable then. Having said that, what the investigators in this case did get very wrong was not realising that one person WAS caught in the act…. he should have been cleared before they could even look at anyone else as a suspect. That really was a massive bungle.

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Good points

[@LyraMicki]

@@jacktheripper1888jtr except we know that they certainly weren’t exhaustive in their investigation into Cross, or they’d have at the very least uncovered that he wasn’t Cross - they did not. Lechmere wasn’t investigated thoroughly, but we can see why. Starting with the mistake of the policeman who thought he’d been the first to discover the crime. There was a series of unfortunate events and it’s understandable how it was bungled, but it was bungled nonetheless. You are right though, it wasn’t in Abberlines report, because it was overlooked. Edit; Lechmere was obviously the person caught in the act - by Paul. Paul maybe didn’t realise what he’d witnessed, but the police should have. Lechmere wasn’t cleared as he’d successfully hindered the investigation and covered his true identity.

[@kevinkenny6975]

​@@jacktheripper1888jtr Wrong again

[@addie_is_me]

They didn't even use the tools they did have available like common sense. lol

[@addie_is_me]

@@jacktheripper1888jtr They were cleared without being investigated. A few questions, or just accepting the story given as is, is no investigation.

[@User1941b]

Absolutely love your films! I almost wish this case is never solved haha :) Keep it going!

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Thanks so much!

[@larsbjrnson3101]

My profile picture is still the what AI though Lechmere would look like in 1888.

[@damianbowyer2018]

Interesting Stuff, Edward...Detective Abberline did the best he could under difficult circumstances....He was overwhelmed by the sheer number of JTR Suspects, with virtually nothing being known at the time about Serial Killers and the psychology involved with such a perpetrator...Scotland Yard may well have held-back vital info from him as well, for whatever reason, but the task was too Gr8 for him, one feels. Cheers fm Damo.

[@lindsaybaker9480]

So Abberline was at inquiry and probably looked at JTR but had no idea, along with everyone else, that no idea it was him.

[@richardsnow7299]

Great video Edward many thanks

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@richardsnow7299]

B​@@thehouseoflechmere9407I did. You are the foremost historian in this subject

[@davidhynes9683]

Somebody could make a photo of that sketch these days. Policing very difficult in those days. They had to catch somebody doing the murder The police would have interviewed Jack at some point.

[@Ettrick8]

Or maybe didnt

[@davidhynes9683]

@@Ettrick8 pretty sure they would have. very difficult to prove a crime especially crimes like jack' he will be lying in state in a cemetery in London or maybe up north interesting, a supposed Jack letter was posted from Brunswick dock in Liverpool Brunswick Dock is not far from St. James cemetery. A milkman said that early one morning he saw a ghost leave the cemetery

[@davidhynes9683]

@@Ettrick8 Continued from below leave the cemetery through a far gate. a man dressed in Victorian gentlemen's clothes. A constable in London found a doctor with blood on his shirt cuffs talking to a prostitute. He arrested him as Jack the Ripper. The sergeant told the constable off for arresting the doctor Shortly after the murders the doctor returned to the family home near to St.James cemetery and he died shortly afterwards and was buried in the cemetery

[@Ettrick8]

@@davidhynes9683 or they didn't interview him/her/them. We just don't know and that is the only certainty.

[@davidhynes9683]

@@Ettrick8 The police are on the ball. They just don't pick anybody at random to be a suspect. They probably had a good idea who Jack was , but they had to be able to prove it. They could have had two different suspects for two different crimes with similarities, would they have called them copy cat killers then?

[@5bags]

He looked like Michael Cane and every 5 minutes he'd start shouting 😀

[@randygandhi]

After all this was something quite new .One could say the same about Ted Bundy ,where the detectives failed to conect the dots for a considerable amount of time.JTR was singing from his own song sheet ,thus the standard police procedures of the time were at pains to apprehend him.They were looking foe a man who displayed overt signs of violence in his everday life ,which of course we now know that serial killers rarely do this.They are invariably viewed by all & sundry as innocous members of sociey in their every day lives,who blend into their surroundings perfectly.

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Yes and the police continue to make the same mistakes

[@Stroheim333]

Abberline didn't want to be recognized through photographs -- he was a detective after all -- and that should be the simple reason why there exist no photos of him. Already back then, everyone was aware that the sketches in newspapers only captured a superficial likeness.

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Maybe

[@LKMNOP]

He wasn't undercover. Police in those days didn't care if someone saw them or not.

[@Stroheim333]

@@LKMNOP Of corse they went "undercover" when that served their purposes. It is even documented, for examples in this channel.

[@davekeating.]

Abberline had been in charge of Scotland Yard’s counter subversion section, monitoring Fenian (Irish/American republican) activities in Britain. He would have been aware of the likes of Francis Tumblety. No photographs was the policy. Didn’t want the be shot or bombed by Fenians!

[@aqua5680]

I think the Whitechapel police were about as proficient as the Yorkshire Ripper police.

[@julianscoffield9464]

Potentially he could have been great, but he wasnt and I just think he was probably a very meticulous and methodical beat policeman who was held in high esteem from his subordinates, but in the end he was simply a product of his time and I couldn't/shouldn't compare him to modern crime detective merhods or standards.

[@seankinnane12]

Fantastic research Ed even taking a trip down the coast

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@jamesdean4454]

Amazing analysis!

[@garylancaster8612]

Kudos to Edward for pronouncing the letter "h" correctly. Almost everybody mispronounces it as haitch, not aitch. Aside from that, excellent video as always.

[@Liz-sn1mm]

I thought "aitch" was what everyone says. We do in Canada anyway,

[@garylancaster8612]

@Liz-sn1mm North Americans say it correctly. In Britain and Ireland loads of people say haitch, thinking that's right. It's one of those small things that don't mean much in the scheme of things that I find annoying!

[@petriruotsalainen6861]

Deep investications continued... Thank you for your team's effort on these mysteries. Has anyone checked if some foreign sail ship and their crew appearance suits for the nights of terror in London, I think harbour tax-custom authorities would have kept a diario about who were departured in Harbour of London. Those wounds of victims were so horrific, that only butchers, sailors and soldiers could be capable doing it but being sadistic still. England was on war even during those years, so it could have been some enemy agent too to spread chaos and horror in the heart of Britain. Call-mcCall Caine was my hero actor in 80', oh, still is.

[@jackcornuto4760]

I’ve always considered Lechmere to be the prime suspect. But (apologies as i’m sure you have been asked this many times before) why would he have stopped the killings? We know he continued to live in the area.

[@ItsSVO]

We know now that serial killers can and do stop killing. BTK and the golden state killer are two very recent examples. That being said, it’s likely Lechmere didn’t stop but changed his M.O and was responsible for the Thames torso murders aswell, a topic Ed covers on this channel.

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

One of my recent films is on this topic!

[@maryarigho5868]

Abberline said in the Pall Mall Gazette that they never believed the Ripper was 'a lunatic, or anything of that kind' but they spent a lot of time pursuing mentally ill Jewish men. It defies belief that he talks of Charles Cross being by the body but never seeks him out to question him. Abberline was good at routine but was fixated on the wrong things. He wasn't up to the job but who would be? The Victorian police force didn't know much about serial killers.

[@rogerpalmer3522]

Abberline was correct to dismiss Charles Cross, who was just a man who found a body on his way to work. Ed's theory never did make any sense. Cross (birth name Lechmere) brings a woman back to his own route to work and then times her murder so if he's caught by a passing pedestrian, he's killing her at the exact time he would have been there anyway? It's like the plot out of a bad Agatha Christie novel. Time to stop fitting up the 'dog walker' who found the body, Ed, and start looking for the real killer!! If Cross killed Nichols at 3:46 (based on the obviously mistaken Robert Paul) he's got less than 14 minutes to make it Pickford's in Broad Street. Researcher David Barrat timed the walk, and it took him 13 1/2 minutes at the pace of an Olympic race walker. No killer is going to leave himself that little of a window. If Cross had that small amount of emotive control over his violence, we'd know about it--instead he has a spotless record, a long work history, and a long successful marriage. Nice try, and I do admire your hands on approach, Ed, but you've got the wrong bloke. I do hope the people in the comment section never fall victim to a pernicious prosecution and find themselves sent down based on hunches, idle suspicion, and dime store psychology. JLP

[@shane19959]

@@rogerpalmer3522 So why is Robert Paul " obviously mistaken" ?

[@rogerpalmer3522]

@@shane19959 Paul's asinine estimate of entering Buck's Row at 3:45 clashes with every other witness. If he entered the street at that time, how could he have been talking to PC Mizen in entirely different street at that exact same time? Why didn't Paul see PC Neil, who deposed that HE found the body at 3:45? Why didn't he see PC Thain approaching the intersection? Either Paul's clock or his memory was flawed. No seasoned homicide detective would trust witness testimony that disagrees with four other witnesses whose own accounts are in full agreement. This is why Abberline correctly noted that Paul and Cross found the body at 3.40 a.m. Robert Paul was the odd man out and the only reason there is any alleged "missing time." Have fun with it--I'm off to find the real killer. JLP

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Yes, and he fixated over Jacob Iscenscmid while he was in an asylum. His later comments were aimed as a slight on Sir Robert Anderson, who thought it was Kosminski.

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

The coroner must gave been assenine too, as he sided with Paul's time, as did Swanson, and we know Neil was confused about timings as ge said he was at Buck's Row ans Winthrop Street at 3.15. Superintendent Andy Griffiths - who unlike you is a seasoned homicide detective, being in charge of Sussex Murder Squad didn't agree with any if your assessment.😃

[@johannajames7824]

Talking of Jack the Ripper films, have you seen the Limehouse Golem? It's very ripperesque. I really love it!

[@Chardonbois]

Well researched and presented as usual. Well done Ed. Ignore the pedants!

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Always!

[@stephenadams7596]

Another excellent vid Ed . Think we srill have the similar police issues today, as humans we are all subject to peer pressure culture or religious bias. I think given all that back in 1888 he looked and investigated thing pretty well . Apart from the Car man in Bucks Row . The fact we have his hand written statements and note's to his superiors it does really point to Lechmere & Paul slipping through the net. The fact no comment etc on pc Niel pc Mizen & Cross at the inquest strange . There for if he'd investigated Cross would still not have fitted the mad man profile they had then ie he was outwardly a hard working family man but like the Yorkshire Ripper would have been in the system and over looked not just over looked altogether. Love the deeper dives into this .🗡🎩

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Yes exactly

[@drax3373]

Great video as always just a small error I'm sure you state he died in 1892 not 1929.

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

I know I said the wrong year at one point

[@drax3373]

@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Not a problem. I’m not convinced lechmere was JTR but you’ve certainly given me food for thought with your excellent videos. You’ve certainly convinced me Kosminski isn’t the great suspect I once thought he was. Best JTR channel on KZbin.

[@mpol701]

Think he said 1919 not 1929

[@PatD-3877]

Why did it make it awkward for modern day web sleuths that the detectives checked lodging house logs? Did they destroy them? Are there records of those logs still existing?

[@janetpendlebury6808]

Most lodging houses back then did not keep logs or records of who slept there each night.

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Yes pretty much only the Victoria Home kept proper registers. But the reason it's awkward for some modern sleuths is that some of their prefered suspects lived on lodging houses - their absence on murder nights would have been noticed or blood stains also noticed if they didn't absent themselves. The police checked the lodging houses after virtually every murder.

[@marthastubbs8321]

Is that newspaper background the one you got from a pub that was throwing it out?

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Yes, from the Ten Bells

[@stevedavenport2975]

There was a lot of leather aproned men then

[@joanware6473]

A lot was missed, they were not used to serial killers and as it was high profile I should think a lot of ego`s got in the way.

[@PatriciaThomas-r6o]

Thanks for the breakdown! Just a quick off-topic question: I have a SafePal wallet with USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (behave today finger ski upon boy assault summer exhaust beauty stereo over). How should I go about transferring them to Binance?

[@brianjacob8728]

You don't understand the corruption involved here.

[@addie_is_me]

What kind?

[@luke125]

Bingo

[@colinmcewen9530]

he retired on a full pension at the age of 50 was that normal in those days

[@Ettrick8]

Yes

[@susannah1066]

Life expectancy for men was 44.

[@markallison1987]

Ed, I think you need to edit the last minute or so of your otherwise excellent video. Your dates around Abberline's last few years and death are very confusing.

[@t.macgyver9372]

Barnett was the Ripper. With the interview and questioning techniques used today, Abberline would have been able to expose him.

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

He had an alibi

[@colinmcewen9530]

aberrline wasnt in charge of the investigation Donald Swanson was aberrline wasnt of senior enough rank

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Swanson barely left Scotland Yard. He was in charge of the paperwork

[@Chardonbois]

Abberline was a competent but unexceptional detective hamstrung by the infighting amongst the chief officers at Scotland Yard. This became even more dysfunctional when the Home Secretary started to interfere in on the operational independence of the police which ultimately led to Commisioner Warren's resignation. Never before had a series of murders attracted such political interest- including disdain from Her Majesty Queen Victoria. This was all a huge distraction to the operational detectives who were constantly at the beck and call of their seniors.

[@daftmonkey7296]

🙌🏼🙌🏼⭐️

[@aqua5680]

Is there a slip of the tongue near the end … 41.00 saying Abberline died in 1892?

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Yes it was 1929

[@rwm4738]

He can't be any worse than the useless cops in the UK today.

[@FaithAssemblyMusic]

Well other than the dodgy accent. I thought he was really good in all the Tim Burton films

[@patrickmoreau7592]

Do a video about the male brothel 😅

[@MikeB071]

Wait...how could he have retired in 1894 and died in 1892? He died before he retired???? And then he worked for Pinkerton 6 years after he died?

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Yes it's what is know as a slip of the tongue

[@jettjones9889]

How did that awful graffiti get onto Commercial Street police station !!!!

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

It's no longer a police station

[@DF-ee8vt]

At 39:40, he appears to have died in 1929, not 1892.

[@CarlStJohn-x9w]

Why is we never hear anything about the masonic rings and coins left at some of the victim's feet ?

[@janetpendlebury6808]

Probably because it is not true.

[@Chardonbois]

Mythology

[@RubberDuck-u5w]

at the time of the ripper murders the Met HQ was at Great Scotland Yard they move 2 Scotland Yard in 1990

[@stangrunewald9374]

GOOD WORK MAN if other guy had dt's then he was a drunk, looking for drink, not murder

[@thehouseoflechmere9407]

Yes!

[@stangrunewald9374]

@@thehouseoflechmere9407 The 'Leather Apron' side story sure places emphasis on the level of desperation police must have felt! THE QUESTION IS: Why so desperate? Was it to deflect attention from someone else, or was it just a scramble to catch someone.......ANYONE?! The guy who initially gave the fake name after being spotted standing over the victim SPEAKS VOLUMES! He lied, when he didn't have to?! Hmmmm.... scared of what?

[@stevegarth6902]

What's this lechmere bit