Why does no one use the R2 Method for 3BLD? 🤔 (M2 for corners)

[@dhrutube]

I use petrus as my main method, so M2/R2 is definitely something I should use.

[@rajatgarg3856]

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[@5Algsolve]

Yo

[@abhijeetghodgaonkar]

I am cuber from India, and I have met Jack Cai once. I have held Asian record as well.

[@FakeAccount-xy6fu]

No one asked

[@Leoleonpd]

What he didn't mention is that out of those special algs for R2, two of them are the three cycle corner PLL, and at least two are just the corner twisting algorithm that people learn in the beginner method. Personally, I turned the R2 method into the U2 method and I use it with M2. It is very satisfying to use compared with Pochman.

[@mookiemu]

If you treat every M2 and R2 move as half a full commutator, then you can do a setup before doing M2 or R2 twice and and turn bad cases into good cases. And then you undo the setup. For instance with M2, if you are solving a pair such as DF>UL>BD, you can do a B turn and then solve the pair as if you were solving DF>UL> BR and cut out a bunch of steps. Furthermore if you do BU setup, then you can do solve DF>UL>BD as if it is DF>UB>BR and then undo with U'B' and cut out even more moves. This idea is very flexible and intuitive. Now if you continue to think about two M2 turns as if they are one commutator, then you don't have to do an M2 every time. You can do M or M' and BD and FU become advantageous cases. For instance if you need to do DF>LF>FU, you can use M instead of M2 and UL'U' M' ULU' M and you have solved what would be a lot of moves, in just 8 moves and you're on your way to learning commutators. DF>LU>FU would be F'LF M' F'L'F M. By the same token, BD can become an advantageous case too. For instance DF>BD>UL can be solved using M B'L'B M' B'LB. And you can create all kinds of advantageous cases just using setups. And it's very intuitive. And just think about how many cases can be changed to M'U2MU2 by a simple setup. The same can be done with R2. If you think of R2 twice instead of single R2, you can do setups to take bad cases and make them good. For instance with a simple U' turn, DFR>UFR>UBR becomes DFR>UBR>UBL and that cuts out a lot of moves. DFR>BDR>UFR a very problematic situation becomes a very simple DFR>BDL>UBR with a simple setup of B'U' that you of course undo. You can also do R and R' moves instead of R2 to turn bad cases into good ones. For instance DFR>FRU>FLU is a very bad case. But if you do R and R' instead of R2, you can get and advantageous case with R ULU' R' UL'U'. Anyway I just scratched the surface. The possibilities are endless if you think of each M2R2 move and setup as if they were pairs or half of a commutator.

[@DillPicklePatrick]

Glad someone mentioned this, as with very simple comm understanding you can optimize these methods a shit ton!

[@charlieharrison]

For the case with the y rotation, D' R' U2 R' D R U2 R' D' R2 D R2' is an alternative

[@5Algsolve]

yeah this R2 case sucks, U R2 U' S U S2 R2 U S U2.

[@5Algsolve]

I have used R2 method from 2014-2018, gradually I moved from 2-step DFR 3-cycle, to just DFR 3-style. But yeah I switched to UFR, when the hardware got better, f' L S R2 S L' S' R2 F.

[@aarushpriyankaj3105]

Why do you write an alg at the end of your comments??

[@5Algsolve]

@@aarushpriyankaj3105 its a 5-cycle from the UF buffer, I write it as it is the alg that I am revising while writing the comment, U R2 U' S U S2 R2 U S U2.

[@aarushpriyankaj3105]

@@5Algsolve man you are so dedicated for 5-style. I hope to see it becoming a viable 3bld method due to your efforts

[@5Algsolve]

@@aarushpriyankaj3105 Yeah I hope R2 gets recognized more in cubing alg history. Also 5-style in the alg future.

[@exelo9365]

One handed push up while OH blind solving 🔥

[@ankitsanghi07]

Sir, what about U2, can it be an alternate for R2?

[@KaizenVelvet]

pog

[@OLDISGOLDKKAMMMAL]

OP 😂😂

[@JackCaiCubing]

it would be better for sure but you'd still have to use special algs for more than half the cases 😅

[@maxxiong]

At that point you would be better off learning orozco from URF to URB lol

[@pranavraghu]

Anybody know a reliable place to learn 3 style for 4x4 bld?

[@thetientran]

Noah cubes, his videos are old but you can still learn from them.

[@pranavraghu]

@@thetientran Alright, il check them out. Thanks!

[@thetientran]

Yeah no problem, it’s just part 9 and 10 to his 3 style series

[@Jinxed192]

Just got to know about you through samay. And u are AWESOME!!

[@JackCaiCubing]

[@mommailim9616]

Yooo lets goooo. Early! Fun fact: somebody said that if you click on the corners of gan cubes it will have more magnetic strength.

[@5Algsolve]

Yo

[@sinpi314]

Imagine using a gan cube

[@mommailim9616]

@@sinpi314 Although I think it works on any magnetic cube.

[@mommailim9616]

@@sinpi314 I tried it and it somehow worked. Idk if placebo.

[@rebeccaMal]

Can just do r2 and when you get special case do l2

[@최승주-q1o]

cuz it is hard to do than op and its buffer is on the bottom face

[@joshuariegel6840]

Is it possible to combine any 2 methods for edges and corners? Meaning, if you want to ease into 3-Style, can you learn just 3-style for corners and do an M2/3-Style method?

[@JackCaiCubing]

Yes, that's what I actually recommend doing, you might need to switch parity methods though

[@jensrenders4994]

You can combine any amount of methods, switching every letterpair.

[@cuberdoge22]

R2 method is like U2 method for big cubes blindfolded is it.

[@5Algsolve]

True, but R2 is for corners, whereas U2 is for centers.

[@maxxiong]

yeah but U2 is much cleaner

[@MACubing]

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[@tyazgagaman671]

Interesting

[@greeneryeveryday5699]

After samay's stream

[@JackCaiCubing]

welcome!

[@rodrigoqteixeira]

Resume: R2 is bad, use orozco or 3 style for corners

[@KaizenVelvet]

A

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Hi

[@JackCaiCubing]

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[@tom.5122]

@@JackCaiCubing top tier conversation

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