Raising Baby Discus: Preventing the 30 Day Syndrome

How do you stop the infamous 30-day syndrome when raising baby discus fish? We use potassium permanganate. In our hatchery we have a 200-gallon system and based on my measurements, we use two grams for the entire system. We're going to show you how we do it in our system but remember one thing - this is for the professionals and your measurements will be different.
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[@nikhilparab07]

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[@nikhilparab07]

How long does a discus pair breed in its lifetime...does it breed for 1-3 yr or like 10-20 times in life???plz ans...

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@@nikhilparab07 15 weeks a year for lifetime of 10 yearspan

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Fascinating insight that’s crucial for the baby Discus survival rates. 👏👍

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[@JackWattleyDiscus]

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[@ManuelMartinez-pq3un]

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[@josemontalvo4532]

Excellent tutorial on the medicine! I enjoyed watching! Thank you for sharing! Gracias!

[@huanly7517]

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[@mypraveer]

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[@ankushkaul6909]

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[@JackWattleyDiscus]

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Tnk u for sharing this info sir gabe..

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[@kidtuber3407]

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[@JackWattleyDiscus]

Wish I had more time to make more. Soon.

[@bigpickles]

@@JackWattleyDiscus I wish I could work there and free up your time for more content ;)

[@MrMayurahire]

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[@robertmorales125]

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[@gezeb8323]

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[@arupmukherjee4110]

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[@gunnerneikoify]

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[@JackWattleyDiscus]

My pleasure. Sharing makes the hobby grow. Also more enjoyable.

[@gunnerneikoify]

@@JackWattleyDiscus You are 100% why I've recently gotten into the Discus hobby 4 months ago!!

[@alexandrevicopulos6909]

Thank’s very much for that very important information! What ‘s the percentage of the peroxide? Thank’s once more, master!

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[@swissworld36]

Thanks a lot Gab

[@JackWattleyDiscus]

My pleasure.

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[@sureshpoojari180]

Thank you sir

[@dr.geonigermansoundaram6405]

Waiting for your new video, english version gabe..... make videos regarding fry attaching to albino discus. Thx for ur genuine vidos

[@luisperez-ruiz1173]

Tremendo!!!! Sabes más de medicina que yo!!!!

[@JackWattleyDiscus]

Oye no es para tanto.🤣🤣

[@Toxxxic_]

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[@Roon282]

Thankyou. Sir kindly make a video of treating planted discus tanks with potassium permanganate, and tell us the proper dosage of PP which will not damage the boilogical filters🙏

[@unlowyer]

You are an amazing Man gabriel. İm addicted discus for many years. Im so sory to know you very late. Im very excited to see Your new video

[@JackWattleyDiscus]

Thanks

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[@tilozoru1255]

Hi Gabe! Incredible! Already did the math for a 75 gallon tank... thanks so much. Love your channel and your facility! Oh yeah, especially your fish!

[@rmmc5554]

Hi, how many grams then? TIA

[@kernalbert4939]

@@rmmc5554 That's not the issue. One gram per 100 gallons equals .75 grams for 75 gallons. The issue is Permanganate kills everything including your nitrifying bacteria. Commercial guys can use the stuff because they do MASSIVE water changes CONSTANTLY.

[@amysweetfood3033]

do you sell potassium G?

[@beverlyballard2882]

Thank you....would LOVE to retire in a hatchery!!!

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Thanks

[@AsifArain15]

With love from Pakistan. I appreciate your work and specially for the secrets you share to grow our discus in home systems.

[@vikrampatil6087]

GREAT..........

[@richardluke7050]

Hi Gabe thanks for the share good info of video. Just a quick one u said once a week and how long need to carry on to do. And would it affect for good beneficial (nitrifying) bacteria.Many thanks

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Me podría pasar el link en español

[@scientific1603]

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[@professorm4171]

For home hobbyists, you can just use hydrogen peroxide. It is an oxidizer like PP but a bit safer and doesn't stain. I dose 5ml/10 gallons. You can kill fish if you dose too much.

[@BC-uu6iz]

Tk you for the wealth of info you are giving us, may I ask how we can do it at home and if I can use it to clean bio media, driftwood, etc. asking cause I'm setting 1k gal tank and I'm using same media from my old tank. Tks again

[@JackWattleyDiscus]

No need to desinfect if you're setting up new.

[@DAMITH250]

Well explained thanks 🙏 Is it safe to use PP with catfish/scaleless fish to treat flukes.

[@nishanthafonseka6191]

Hi Gabe. Congratulations for the service you do for discus enthusiasts. I would like some advice please. I am a discus rearer and new to the hobby. I have 2 40 gallon tanks that I have 6 checker boards and 7 powder blues in seperately in each one. I wanted to age my water which comes fr9m a dug well. I have a 500litre plastishell tank. In the process of aging can, and should i use your method of pp + hydrogen peroxide to disinfect the water I age a tankful at a time?

[@aquaadamsale]

Hello sir ur videos are very informative I have a 120 litre tank at my place And have 9 discuss in there around 2.5 inches Few of them fins are clamped and 2 of them have turned black in color also i saw today one or two scratching there body and shaking their head

[@ManuelMartinez-pq3un]

Buenas noches, soy un principiante de discos y la verdad me parece muy buenos vídeos y bien explicados. El único inconveniente que no entiendo inglés y me cuesta mucho intuir lo que explicas. Tienes vídeos en Español y son buenísimos, por favor hazlos en los dos idiomas. Gracias y un saludo desde España

[@JackWattleyDiscus]

El mismo en Español sale en tres días. Estamos haciendo todos lo vídeos en los dos lenguajes

[@arupmukherjee4110]

Lovelyyyy

[@richardrobles3880]

am really new to this hobby and your topic is really informative to us newbies. I actually had a flowerhorn but died few months ago due to fluke. I used liquid treatment like Prazi Gold but found no positive result from it and he got weaker and weaker as day went by and i feel so helpless about it. Ill gonna treat my whole tank including my canister filter with PP to kill those nasty parasites before I set it up again. Thank you Sir :)

[@pgm521]

Thank you GABRIEL POSADA at Jack Wattley for sharing this. I have been using this system and my Discus do not have 4 week syndrome anymore. It took forever to learn this step by step from friends and the little i found to read about it, hence why I appreciate hearing it from you. Hardly any info about this magical treatment out there especially neutralizing with hydrogen peroxide.. Very much appreciated

[@JackWattleyDiscus]

No secrets any more. I am here to promote the hobby not bury it.

[@pgm521]

@@JackWattleyDiscus That is correct and I know this as all your videos including metro, lowering PH and lots more you have shared is some of the hardest things i have hard to learn in this hobby over the years, hearing you explain so well instills the confidence to go ahead with what I do and correct, perfect, what I am doing. Really wish I met you a few years back :) Thank you kindly

[@rajadey4919]

So according to the video footage..for 100 gallon = 1 gram of Potassium permanganate. For 150 gallon = 1.5 grams. For 50 gallons = 0.5 grams. And if we canister filter and not sump, then directly in the tank?. And how much hydrogen peroxide per 100 gallons of water. Your footage is always reliable and compact with knowledge based information. Thank you sir.

[@todortodorov1710]

Hi Gabe, greetings from London. Thanks for the great videos you giving to us! Can I use this method in tank with grown up discus? Thank you!

[@JackWattleyDiscus]

Yes you can

[@todortodorov1710]

Thank you!

[@benaqua10]

When should i do first pp treatment for discus fry...

[@SuperMan-xy8ui]

Thank you for these videos!!! It should be mentioned that potassium permanganate will also kill beneficial (nitrifying) bacteria.

[@peetventer4744]

I was thinking the same thing and assumed that it would not be recommend for a planted community tank.

[@andrehunter1295]

With so much water change for baby fish, don't need any cycled filter.

[@miguelpereira9317]

Hello Gabe and first of all, thanks for you teach us your 22 years experience. One question because e made that treatment in my fries. What i should have do, If the color of PP don't chance? My tank have the purple color for about one hour and the color stay the same or low diference, the fishes are fine and i put the hydrogen peroxide because i have afrais to sicken the fries. I made right or i can let the PP react as long as need. Thanks in advice and best regards. Big hug from Portugal.

[@estebanvalencia2989]

Hola Gabriel, por favor realiza este video en español, es muy importante aprender este tratamiento para la comunidad disquera de habla hispana, muchas gracias.

[@JackWattleyDiscus]

Paciencia!

[@normanrobitaille8520]

First of all I just wanted to say I absolutely love your channel I have a question how old do the baby discus need to be before I can give them a PP bath

[@JackWattleyDiscus]

From the time they're laid. I don't stop my cycle at the hatchery it is done on a regular basis regardless of how old the fry are. Thanks.

[@darnellfisher4148]

Hello Gabe. I know I'm coming in late. You said each week but for how .any weeks? I'll check the other questions to see if my question has been answered.

[@evan_rifkind]

Hi Gabe, I've heard from other sources a good method is to 1st treat the parents with Prazi and wait for a new, clean batch of fry. What are your thoughts on that approach?

[@JackWattleyDiscus]

We treat the breeding section weekly as well. But you can never fully eradicate. Regardless of what you use.

[@kelvinpoo5869]

Hi, I have learned alot from your video. Do you have any advice on how to select potential juvenile discus when purchasing from a local fish store ?

[@JackWattleyDiscus]

Try purchasing from a breeder

[@tozejulio]

hello friend, for a 100-liter aquarium, what is the dosage of potassium permanganate, and what is the dosage of hydrogen peroxide, after the water turns brown, uses hydrogen peroxide to remove the brown color, after that it is necessary to make a partial change of Water? or is not presiso? I can pour the permanganate directly into the aquarium, or dilute first, since I don't have a sump, I can do it in the community aquarium with plants, botia palhaço, coridoras etc ... thank you very much and good work

[@sanjibroy8417]

while treating with potassium permanganate, does it kill the good bacteria in the sump ??

[@ricardobotao4933]

Gabe, does the potassium kill the beneficial bacteria of the filter? thanks for sharing knowledge.

[@jpollonais]

It will

[@kristinabarkovic4525]

Hi Gabriel. How many ppm dose is this? Like 2? 🐟 Thanks a lot for answering 🙏🏻

[@markgorhk]

hi Gabe! First... thanks for all your great instructional videos... I really appreciate your enthusiasm and your imparting your knowledge to us novices... I started with Discus and aquarium about 2 months ago... have done everything I can as a home hobbyist to create the water environment you stress is essential... have been able to get close with some of the parameters, although still a little way to go with conductivity... however, incredibly enough one of my pairs has laid its second eggs and a lot of them hatched... so they are now about 36 hours old... I saw this video last night... my breeding tank is about 18 gallons... I dont want to fry my fry of course... but is it worthwhile dosing them with a miniscule amount of PP in say even less a ratio than you have in this video with your big system? or is it too dangerous? thanks for any comment you can provide!

[@JackWattleyDiscus]

Make a stock solution. 500ml and 11g PP. Use 1 CC per 5 gallons.

[@markgorhk]

@@JackWattleyDiscus ok, great... thanks! I give it a go at the appropriate time...

[@ianferguson4728]

Great videos. What strength peroxide are you using? And does the permangenate harm the filter?

[@JackWattleyDiscus]

3%

[@TheBSideDJ]

Such treatments do not work in established tanks, because it will oxidize and kill all organic stuff and waste between plants, rocks, substrate, bacteria in your filter, dead plant leaves,........ Therefore you can not calculate a ppm solution to dose in an established tank, you can only treat with this method in bare bottom tanks and your biofiltration with not work anymore

[@souvikghosh3369]

Please give a vedio with details information how to treatment a discus fish suffering from "Swime bladder disease"

[@irfanmoosani7771]

Gabe, thanks for sharing this information. My Flowerhorn fish is behaving very lethargic and keeps sitting at bottom or at top. He is not eating since last 10 days. I added about 1 mg of PP in a 1 gallon bucket and kept the fish in it for 20 minutes with good airation. The water was still purple but I removed the fish. Is it the right way? How often should I repeat this process and for how long? Please guide.

[@rogermoody2660]

Irfan Moosani it’s for the experts not the home guy!

[@MotorCityAquatiks]

Gabe could you please let me know how much to use on a 20 gallon tank please?

[@brucesyvertsen2147]

Great Info. When using Hydrogen Peroxide, do you use the 3% or 12% solution? Hopefully you put this and all the other great tips and info in a book one day! I would be the first in line to buy it! 🙂

[@khanpigeonloft1229]

Hi sir i want to know that hydrogen peroxide which we get on medical store we can use that

[@rjv2395]

Thank you for the great video and great info exchange. if possible, can you pls be a little more specific about the ppm concentrations you are using for both the KMnO₄ and the H2O2. It would help to make sure viewers get the dosages right. Also, what is the concentration of H2O2 you are using, (food grade 30%?) Thank you again for your professional tours.

[@JackWattleyDiscus]

3% H2O2 use 28 grams per liter of pp for stock solution and 5ccs per 100 liters.

[@rjv2395]

thank you so much for the fast reply. just found your channel and really enjoying the videos. I was really into breeding discus about 25yrs ago and Mr. Wattley's handbook of discus was the go to source before the internet. maybe I need to get crazy again. thank you again for your fast response and great info.

[@drpabloricardo1695]

Very good video, but the potassium permanganate don't kill your sump benefical bacteria?

[@JackWattleyDiscus]

Not if you use it like I did. This way the reaction takes place in the aquarium and what goes down the overflow is already mostly deactivated

[@CrowntailHalfmoon]

Gr8 information. Do you do this as a preventative? What's amount and % of hydrogen peroxide you use to neutralize the ppm. If your changing the water to remove coffee color do you do it over time or 100% . Do you feed them for this treatment ? When you add hydrogen peroxide to water that to deactivate the ppm would this kill your beneficial bacteria in sponge filter? Could you do this on a single tank with no sump just sponge air driven filters? Thank you Gabe.

[@JackWattleyDiscus]

We don't feed during the treatment. Anything organic deactivates the PP. We feed half an hour after the treatment. In two hundred gallons we use a.cup of H2O2

[@mohamaditani7241]

@@JackWattleyDiscus can this treatment kill the good bacteria also?

[@vovw8459]

Gracias por el contenido, saludos desde España. Estaría de madre si lo recopilases todo en un libro. Te forrarías.

[@JackWattleyDiscus]

Estamos entre tantas cosas con esa misma idea. Gracias

[@vovw8459]

@@JackWattleyDiscus Gracias a usted , me encantan sus videos. De los mejores caneles de youtube de acuariofilia, me han resuelto muschas dudas. Sigan así y que vaya todo muy bien.