James Harden vs Michael Jordan pt.1: Will Harden be the first player to...

[@tremainejackson3361]

I love that "since the merger" excuse they used to not mention Wilt Chamberlain

[@MistahUnknown]

They will go those lengths

[@johndempsher1170]

Wow good catch. Smh

[@david.tousignant20]

Sadly, the modern NBA started with the NBA-ABA mergers. You should look for all the groundbreaking changes the ABA brought into the game : trap, double teams, three-point line, faster pace, press... Before that, the NBA labelled these things as gimmicks. Anyway, you can't really compare different era... But if you do, you have to compare it to something similar.

[@dimedropperpod]

@@david.tousignant20 Pressing and double teams existed far before then, just watch the 74 finals

[@david.tousignant20]

@@dimedropperpod Al Attles when asked to talked about the NBA defenses in his career [1960 to 1971]. "Today's coaches would make it almost impossible [scoring 100 points in a game]. The organized double-teams you see today didn't happen back then. The only team going back to when I was playing that would kind of have double teams would be Boston. For instance, they'd put [Jim] Loscutoff in back of Wilt and [Bill] Russell in front. But it wasn't organized." And he wasn't the only player talking about it. Wilt Chamberlain loathed double teams in the NCAA, but never really talked about it in the pros. About pressing and trapping defenses in the NBA : "Pressing and trapping defenses, rarely used in the slower-tempo NBA, were common in the ABA, and after the merger began to play a larger role in the NBA." Pluto, Terry, Loose Balls: The Short, Wild Life of the American Basketball Association (Simon & Schuster, 1990), ISBN 978-1-4165-4061-8, pp.29

[@jemirtoussaint3440]

This channel is dope. I hate the “back in my day” arguments

[@kamfisher1714]

It doesn’t fit your narrative huh

[@jemirtoussaint3440]

@@kamfisher1714 it’s normally a bias take with no context behind it lmao you’re probably a narrative pusher yourself

[@kamfisher1714]

@@jemirtoussaint3440 They always put context. How about you watch highlights and educate yourself,

[@jemirtoussaint3440]

@@kamfisher1714 “always” lmaooo yeah sure bro, I bet the 90’s was the best basketball decade too right? Get over it bro, if you not coming here with facts then I really have no value for your input

[@kamfisher1714]

@@jemirtoussaint3440 Nah it wasn’t, 00s were. When they weren’t getting a technical for talking mess🤣🤣 soft.

[@NBAConfidential]

At 2:07, that is a VERY misleading graphic they showed. The 1999 season was a lockout year, only 50 games were played and they were crammed into only 4 months, lots of players were injured, probably at least a little outta shape coming into the year, I'd venture to guess the leading scorers from prior seasons averaged more points than that. Of course the one "pre-handchecking" season they spotlighted was the one that fits the narrative.

[@TheRiggedBA]

Wow. Didn't even notice that was the lockout year. Those panelists really tried to pull a fast one.

[@jonnoibeckford2490]

Actually its basically the samething with 98, but Mj is retired. They were only averging 28 ppg the most in 98. Only 3 players averged over 25 ppg in 98. Also 90s stars got better in 2000 so they are not lying. Advance era is all media hype BS.

[@jonnoibeckford2490]

@@TheRiggedBA Even if you go back to 98 its pretty similar except MJ is there. They only had 3 25 ppg players and like 14 or 15 20 ppg scores. Alot of the 90s stars played better in the year 2000 too. Alot more 20 ppg scores.

[@knicks8099]

@@jonnoibeckford2490 or maybe because those 90s players hit their prime in the 2000s

[@pacha777]

And late 90s was one of the weakest era in NBA basketball.

[@rafikz77]

TheRiggedBa : actual facts and data Jordan stans : “better bAcK In ThE dAyS, tUfF pHySiCaL hAnd cHeCkinG , 6-0, hE mAdE ScOtTiE, sHuT Up KID!!! herp derp”

[@MrUlee]

Scottie saying he’s better at scoring than harden 😂😂😂😂. I never understood why Harden doesn’t get the credit he deserves. He has enough fans to receive credit, like yes he’s not as flashy as MJ but he’s far from Tim Duncan. 🤔 it’s always been suspect. And yet there’s still such a gap between harden and LeBron the past 5 years... what does that say about MJ?

[@resttrashtalker1413]

Because of ring logic I guess. He "chokes " during the playoffs so he is not Jordan/GOAT tier level. I'm guessing that's the line of thought.

[@BoxCJ206er]

jaydexe they both lost to the same team when they lost. The warriors

[@BoxCJ206er]

jaydexe if harden had more series like the spurs series from a few years back the choking tag is warranted but he only be losing to the warrior.

[@BoxCJ206er]

jaydexe he does not play like shit I’ve been watching, not as good as lebron but not like shit if you actually watch. If you watched and believe he played like shit I can’t say nun else

[@handlebucket6285]

Hey. It's the guy who made the worst video ever on MJ. You suck dude.

[@justinc8335]

Have you heard about the new documentary coming out about Jordan and the Bulls? Kinda don’t want to see it cause I feel it’s just gonna be the same shit of worshipping Jordan

[@MrSlashblade]

The worse part is it’s only the 98 season, I think it’s ridiculous to have ten parts for one season

[@jonnoibeckford2490]

He is the greatest

[@TheRiggedBA]

I didn't/don't want to see it either. But it looks like I'll be forced to just to stay up to speed.

[@Azraeluchiha999]

@@TheRiggedBA yeah itd be nice to see you do a review and a debunk of those types of vids.

[@Azraeluchiha999]

@@TheRiggedBA hey can you do a vid about the 90s dream team vs the one from 2012?

[@TyroneNBAFan]

Rigged is back! You got more lined up? Next video before 2022? 😂

[@TheRiggedBA]

With all this damn quarantine shit going on, I might unfortunately have time to make a couple before then. 😄

[@TyroneNBAFan]

@@TheRiggedBA Can't wait!

[@id6992]

@@TheRiggedBA I can lie with all this MJ ass kissing revisionist history going on we're gonna be leaning on you for content 😂 ESPN has become beyond nauseating

[@emmanuelmoses7249]

This the best channel on KZbin bro 😂😂💯💯

[@LedgerLiner]

@Drink Me did i allow you to stop sucking? go back to practice

[@raizarslaxterhaha]

Harden have to play against zones, defensive switch... Jordan played on the ilegal defense era and the only thing that can prevent him from scoring was double team and risk a switch pass to the open man. True that hand checking was less restrictive in the 90s but Jordan most of the time was iso on the high or low post so the hand checking really doesnt give him that much trouble

[@guilhermevieira6010]

Harden also gets a lot of soft calls due to this soft era while jordan was getting beat down phisically by the likes of knicks amd bad boys pistons, something harden has never faced in his career and I doubt he could overcome.

[@yowter8265]

Please do a video of "last dance", a documentary video about Michael Jordan and lastly please do make more videos especially now because of quarantine.

[@TheRiggedBA]

I should be watching it tomorrow.

[@FallacyUnknown]

4:45 snuck that one in there 😂

[@ddp5406]

Why did u stop making videos? U should do one on shaq getting embarrassed by candace parker and how he lacked rudimentary knowledge on how to defend the modern day 1-5 pick and roll/pop with jokic and murray with snipers on the corners

[@TheRiggedBA]

I didn't really stop making videos. I started working on a long-term project, so haven't had time recently to make any. But when I finish I have more videos planned. One of them will actually feature Shaq and go into some of that, coincidentally enough.

[@thetruthaboutthemostoverra2795]

@@TheRiggedBA pls do man I’m tired of these old heads

[@MistahUnknown]

James Harden had like 8 seasons as the definitive best player and the go-to scorer of his team (Houston) to reach the pre-zone scoring numbers. He should've done it already if it was truly much easier to score in this era compared to the pre-zone era. The pre-zone era players didn't need 10 years to do it. With James Harden now on the Brooklyn Nets, the next person up that has NO chance, whatsoever, of reaching the pre-zone scoring numbers at his position is Bradley Beal who is averaging just under 32.8 just 2 weeks prior to All-Star weekend. Keep in mind that he's got a former 2x scoring champion who is also a former NBA MVP and 2x assists leader on his team in Russell Westbrook.

[@3ball469]

It is most DEFINITELY easier to score in this era. You’re talking like players don’t still put up gaudy numbers compared to pre zone. Westbrook just averaged a triple double 4 times (no one has ever done it more than once), Giannis puts up 29 and 13, Harden last few years mid 30’s in PPG and that’s with players playing less minutes compared to previous eras. Back then players played almost 40 minutes per game, sometimes 40 or more. Now players are doing load management, playing less than three quarters a game, and still have more opportunities to put up crazy numbers. MVP Nikola Jokic (26/11/9) in 34 mpg. Giannis last year 30-14-6 in ONLY 30 MPG. That’s why when you Bron stans just throw his stats up and say he performed better than Jordan, it’s misleading since we’re talking about two different eras.

[@heroinvrxther5826]

If anyone had a chance to attain the pre-zone scoring averages, I would’ve thought it would be Curry this past year. But with him on these super teams the past few years and now Klay Thompson coming back, Draymond Green supposedly becoming a legit third scoring option, yeah…I don’t think we’ll see anything like the past.

[@TheRiggedBA]

@@3ball469 You claim it's easier to score today, yet not a single player you mentioned has ever managed to score as much as their pre-zone counterpart. And the points modern players do score required a major evolution in shooting skills in order to adapt to the harder defenses. So what do you base your claim on of it being easier to score? Because all you've done is cite players who score LESS, which obviously indicates that scoring is harder, not easier.

[@3ball469]

@@TheRiggedBA Again, players accumulate their averages over less minutes played per game compared to the players of previous eras. But to answer your question, this past season, 2020, has the highest scoring average since 1971. You don’t think superstars benefit from that? Yes, it is SINCE 1971 (the pre zone era). But that was in “run and gun” eras when pace was higher than its ever been. If zone truly made it harder to score, then why isn’t that consistent with all decades that were played prior to illegal defense being removed. the 90’s, only one player averaged 30 PPG in a season (Michael Jordan). In the 2000’s, multiple players did it (Kobe, Tracy McGrady, LeBron, Wade, Allen Iverson). Even more so in the 2010’s (Durant, Curry, Russell Westbrook, Harden, Dame, Beal). There’s a higher concentration of 30 ppg scorers and the overall scoring average has increased greatly to almost rival those of the 1960’s.

[@TheRiggedBA]

@@3ball469 But you're comparing the number of 30-point scorers in one decade pre-zone to the number in over two decades into the zone era. Over the same amount of time, 80s and 90s vs 00s and 10s, the concentration is the same. There were a bunch of 30ppg scorers in the 80s(World B. Free, George Gervin, Moses Malone, Adrian Dantley, Bernard King, Dominique, Jordan) and Jordan and Karl Malone in the 90s. But the pre-zone era players of course have the highest averages. If I understand your argument correctly, you're saying it's easier to score today because the league average is higher. But that just means there are more scorers, not that players score more. Because they don't. And again, very importantly, zone era players require dramatically evolved skills just to average less. Zone defense is not only harder to score against, but it's so much harder that it changed the face of the game and how it has to be played.

[@MrUlee]

Sound this time 👍🏽 good job 🔥

[@homie4327]

Best KZbin channel on Earth

[@jaranarm]

Interesting video. What should also be taken into account is fg%. The top scorers of 1987 were shooting the ball at higher percentages overall than those of 2019. Shooting was also better in 1987 in 4 out of 5 spots: 2019: Harden: .442 George: .438 Antetokounmpo: .578 Embiid: .484 Curry: .472 1987: Jordan: .482 Wilkins: .463 English: .503 Bird: .525 Vandeweghe: .523 It's interesting considering it should've apparently been tougher to score with all the supposed handchecking and physicality going around as the narrative goes. And if you take into account the entire NBA, the league as a whole averaged .480 from the field in 1987 compared to .461 in 2019 as well.

[@jaranarm]

@jaydexe They have to take a lot of threes today because it's harder to penetrate the paint due to zoning. Obviously the closer you can get to the rim you get higher percentage shots. If the defenses of the 80s and 90s were so much better than today then the league shooting percentages would be lower, but they weren't. You had guys like 5'10" Avery Johnson shooting 50% for a season or two during the pre-zone era. That is not happening against today's defenses.

[@jaranarm]

Thomas only did that for one season. 5'3" Muggsy Bogues averaged 46% for his career. Even 5'9" Calvin Murphy was going near 50% in the 70s before they brought in the handcheck foul. The plays today are just too different and evolved that teams had no choice but to develop outside shooting to shoot over the defenses instead of trying to always beat them inside and it's a huge factor why the dominant low post center in the paint has gone extinct.

[@Quincyuploads]

Scottie be giving himself too much credit

[@zeekbey6425]

How do you make your stat graphics? Do you use the VideoPad thing or something else?

[@TheRiggedBA]

You could theoretically make it in VideoPad. But I used an image editor to crop and resize the images and...I think I did the the rest in VideoPad. There's a number of different ways you could do it. It's just images and text. One way you could do it would go something like: 1. arrange the different images with the text on a colored background(can be done in VideoPad) 2. save or snapshot them all as one image 3. remove the background color in VideoPad

[@TheNarutodbzss19]

I honestly don't understand how anybody thinks the 96 bulls stand a chance against the 17 warriors Warriors smoke this team easily no matter the era

[@Terror832]

An average team today like the current Dallas Mavs with Luka Doncic would beat the 96 Bulls. Mavs have far more firepower, far more depth and they can play Boban. He’d have a field day!

[@TheNarutodbzss19]

@@Terror832 FACTS

[@TheRiggedBA]

I was just watching the old game were Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf shot bullet holes through the '96 Bulls' defense. One of that Bulls team's known weaknesses was the inability to defend scoring point guards and Jordan has always been bad at defending 3-point shooters. Steph Curry is a scoring champ point guard and part of the best 3-point shooting backcourt of all time. So it's already a match made in Hell for the Bulls. And we haven't even gotten to KD yet...

[@whydouneedakno]

@Drink Me The NBA Is scripted... The Warriors would of mopped the Spurs but the NBA wanted drama... That is all the NBA is, is drama.. That is why you always see the media spewing fake news every other week, to create drama and storylines.. If that game was real, SA would of won Game 1 with ease considering you arent gonna blow a 25 point lead late into the game just cuz one player got "injured" .... GS blatantly laid down to allow the Spurs to build the lead, Leonard got fake injured and then GS came back to win and then everyone cries about how if Leonard doesnt get injured, SA wins that game... It is just like in the Finals when JR Smith pretended like he didnt know the score.. It was scripted to keep you interested in the boring one sided series..

[@Eminence8888]

@@Terror832 the most ridiculous comment I think I ever seen in my life

[@derdiedas7697]

Does anyone know the name of the instrumental beat playing in the background ? It’s dope

[@TheRiggedBA]

"Triumph" by Yung Logos

[@changkihong1377]

Hey can you do myth about dennis rodman defense; people believe he is considered all around position defender even though shaq scored him 55-60% in most of time.

[@nonamewillbegiven6847]

Position defense and denying Shaq the ball. I/diot

[@changkihong1377]

@@nonamewillbegiven6847 well the stat results showed the evidence that Rodman can't handle the shaq. When opponent scored you with high points and field goal percentage means outplayed or can't guard your man. Jordanite like you are clouded by emotions than facts. Your argument won't make sense that "defense and denying shaq the ball" when shaq dominated Rodman like a kid.

[@nonamewillbegiven6847]

@@changkihong1377 not really genius

[@nonamewillbegiven6847]

@@changkihong1377 and get on somewhere with your made up terms chump

[@changkihong1377]

@@nonamewillbegiven6847 you are not very bright that is what Jordanites do

[@powerscallingfiend]

What do think about Lebron being voted as the best player in the USA team ?

[@TheRiggedBA]

It sounds about right. LeBron has lost amazingly little ability with age. He doesn't have the stamina to use his abilities all the time like he used to, but they've mostly still been there. Last season was really the first year that I felt LeBron's abilities actually began to fade. But even a diminishing LeBron is still better than nearly anybody else when he chooses to exert himself to be so.

[@radishhorse1]

Lols that last line: Jordan will score 50 and he's wearing Space Jam

[@Terror832]

Michael Jordan is a poor mans Alex Caruso Alex Caruso is averaging a quintuple quintuple

[@knicks8099]

man you're downplaying him. he's averaging a quintupile sextuple

[@midnightblue1874]

What about magnetic rims?

[@TheRiggedBA]

It doesn't sound very plausible to me. I'd have to see an explanation for how a magnetic field powerful enough to stop a non-metallic ball can be generated without any noticeable apparatus.

[@TheNarutodbzss19]

What are your thoughts on the Draymond Barkley beef? I personally think Draymond is more valuable especially for today's NBA

[@Terror832]

Draymond is being exposed this season. He’s a glorified role player who benefitted tremendously from the Splash Bros and KD carrying the Warriors offense. This season he’s averaging a “triple single” and he has one of the worst contracts in the league. And he has the nerve to bring up the “I have more rings than you” card like that makes him a supposedly better player. Don’t even put him in the same sentence as Charles Barkley, a top 25 player of all time.

[@TheNarutodbzss19]

@@Terror832 "Don't Even put him in the same sentence with Barkley" Based on your previous comments and this one I can clearly see that you're conflicted about the athletes of today and the previous generation You have to ask yourself OBJECTIVELY who's a better piece for a championship team? A star player who's a great rebounder and good scorer? Or a role player who is one of the greatest defensive players of all time and a fantastic passer screen setter a big that can grab a rebound and take it end to end out running many guards in the fast break let alone the bigs matched up with him. You just exposed yourself as a casual with this comment no offense or anything but Draymond is far more valuable in today's NBA than Barkley fatass long iso ever would be

[@TheNarutodbzss19]

@@Terror832 btw Barkley is no longer a top 25 all time player imo based on what I've seen player's today do the past 10 years Anthony Davis for example is better than Charles Barkley EVER would be. How are you gonna say that the current mavs would mop the floor with the 96 bulls but you think Barkley is just THAT much better a player than Draymond in modern NBA basketball? Is Barkley a better passer? No Rebounder? Even Defense? Hell no! Fastbreak? That goes to Draymond as well The essentials of a modern NBA game favors Draymond more than Barkley Btw the skills Draymond have are great on any team contending Warriors or not it's just that they're completely bad now so yes " he's getting exposed" but nobody ever said he was a star player .... He's just more important to a contending team success than Barkley ever will be

[@Terror832]

TheNarutodbzss19 aite I’m just gonna assume you never really saw prime Barkley play. I’ll give you a video to watch kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6aWp56thZh6frM Come back and tell me Draymond is even remotely better than this dude. And as far as that comment regarding the current Mavs vs 96 Bulls I was kinda exaggerating for likes. But that comment has nothing to do with a player comparison between Barkley and Draymond so stay on topic. Draymond is a good role player for the Warriors. He’s a low usage rate player who does the dirty work. Ok cool. Put him on any other team outside the prime Warriors and he wouldn’t be an all star let alone worth $25 million/year. Hell he ain’t better than that rookie Paschall as of right now. Charles Barkley in today’s era would be easily worth a max and he would FEAST. He was an animal in the paint and one of the best rebounders of all time. He was a walking 25 and 12 dude in his prime.

[@TheNarutodbzss19]

"I'm just gonna assume you never really saw prime Barkley play I'll give you a video to watch" You gave a typical response of a old head yet you make fun of oldheads? Pot calling kettle? 😂 Lmao the irony And yes I've seen plenty of Charles Barkley showing me a highlight reel doesn't deter my opinion. "Stay on topic" Oh I am I'm just using your own argument against yourself you know that it's a contradiction so now you're backtracking to save face. Come on... you're implying that even a average team like the mavs could beat the bulls and I don't exactly disagree especially due to the athletic advantages of today's players there are a number of teams I can think of that schools the 96 bulls not just the mavs So even though you're aware that the 90s were a watered down league based on you viewing this channel you still view these players in untouchable ways? The warriors are TERRIBLE right now why would a role player with the prestige Draymond have give it his all without his star players like he's some 22 year old rookie earning his stripes? Remember when the Cavs traded for Jr Smith and Shumpert and everybody thought it was a bad trade cause they're "bums" and were playing bad for the garbage Knicks? Point being if you're a good ball player you don't have a lot of incitive to try when you're on a garbage team cause y'all are losing no matter what so why bust your ass risking injuries? This is strictly my opinion if there was a hypothetical all time NBA draft and you could pick whomever under a salary cap I'm picking Draymond before Barkley and just find a superstar at another position. If you think Barkley is gonna be a dominate player in today's NBA as unathletic as he is in the fastbreak? Backing down 7 seconds to get a shot off? All these things have to be accounted for

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

We’ve come full circle now and Lebron is currently averaging 22 ppg on 48% in his 39-40 year old season. Goes to show that MJ didn’t get worse in Washington because of 2000’s rules, he got worse because he got older. Same is happening to LeBron.

[@SDSOverfiend]

Spacing and 3s. More possessions too.

[@shadstyle]

still can’t believe that old heads think they’re better than today’s players. Back then you were considered a shooter for making one 3 pointer every other game and shooting midrange open jumpers

[@m.j.w.2876]

Terrible analysis because shooters don't have a label of if they can hit 3s they are shooters in comparison to midrange guys, shooters are shooters period

[@TheAndyk123]

For real. The NBA brought the 3 point line in to the college range in the mid '90s basically begging players to shoot more 3s and even Reggie Miller, arguably the most elite shooter ever pre-Curry, was still only taking 4 1/2 per game and that was his prime.

[@houdinip1643]

This is random as hell, but how do u feel about kawhi Leonard's game?

[@TheRiggedBA]

He's very good individually, but doesn't make any of his teammates better. Though his rebounding is a plus teamwise.

[@heroinvrxther5826]

@@TheRiggedBA How do you think it’s possible that you can make your teammates better exactly?

[@TheRiggedBA]

@@heroinvrxther5826 Working with them, basically. Setting them up in plays, getting them involved, assessing their abilities and putting them in a position to contribute alongside you, etc.

[@MistahUnknown]

@@TheRiggedBA A huge chunk of LeBron's teammates since LeBron entered the league seem to have recorded some of their most efficient shooting seasons of their careers while playing alongside LeBron. When no longer teammates with LeBron, their efficiency falls, for the most part. Do you believe that is considered LeBron "making his teammates better"? Thanks.

[@TheRiggedBA]

@@MistahUnknown I never looked into it from a statistical standpoint, but that sounds like part of it. LeBron's going to set you up for easier shots. It's like what Larry Bird said. When he was an executive he'd get suggestions to take some of LeBron's teammates. But Bird wouldn't take them because he basically said they were trash that LeBron just makes look good.

[@Martin-tr4sj]

3:23 “Scoring doesn’t correspond with hand checking “. Factually wrong. In the 2004-05 season the points of emphasis were “curtail hand-checking, clarify blocking fouls and call defensive three seconds to open up the game”. Ppg went from 93.4 ppg to 97.2 ppg . Fg% went up 0.8. 3pt% went up 0.9. The hand checking ban of 1979 has no relevance to any future alterations or emphasis on handchecking rules . 1:30 You defeated your own point about scoring being harder by highlighting Harden reaching record numbers. You also skipped over Kobe for some reason. The top 3 modern era scoring seasons are 1. 1987 MJ, 2. 2019 Harden and 3. 2006 Kobe. 4. 88 MJ. 5. 2020 Harden If it’s that much harder to score now, there shouldn’t be this many post zone seasons on the list. 3:34 “Nate Archibald scored more than other zone point guard”… That’s false too since Harden was listed as a pg in his 36 ppg season. The reason why Nate Archibald peaked higher than Curry or any other zone era point guards is because there were 8 more possessions during that 72-73 season than there are now. 4:50 If Harden’s style was the most effective way to score against modern defenses, he wouldn’t plummet down to 32.4% 3pt shooting in the playoffs. He would’ve already had rings by now as he’s played with everyone from Embiid to KD to Kyrie to Westbrook to CP3 to Dwight Howard.

[@TheRiggedBA]

["That’s false too since Harden was listed as a pg in his 36 ppg season."] And what was Chris Paul(Harden's starting teammate for most of that season) listed as?

[@nbatruth4533]

James Harden has averaged the most points per game by a point guard in a season, with 36.1 per game in 2019, topping Nate Archibald’s previous record of 34 ppg in 1973. So Harden actually did reach the pre zone scoring average.

[@TheRiggedBA]

Harden was primarily a shooting guard. Chris Paul was the point guard.

[@dynamic6645]

How many threes Harden attempted compared to Jordan ?

[@CastroJr92]

Are you going to be making any videos on this propaganda series "The Last Dance" ?

[@TheRiggedBA]

I haven't seen it yet. But with what I'm seeing in my feed, I probably will.

[@CastroJr92]

@@TheRiggedBA I'll be looking out for it if you do

[@MistahUnknown]

@@TheRiggedBA It's a must-make video.

[@standardofexcellence]

To be fair I saw a white random guy that scored 50 once with all the magnets going around if he's assisted he could score 50 depends on there agenda

[@jonnoibeckford2490]

This video makes no sense since in 2000 is when they lessen the handchecking rules even more(start of so called advance era), but yet 90s stars were gping crazy in the year 2000 and beyond. Gary payton got better even though he was put out his prime,Penny haraway went from being injured trash to a decemt season. Allen iverson started going off. Grant hill went off, etc....

[@MrSlashblade]

1. Penny still has his best seasons before the 2000s 2. Gary was an exception 3. Iverson and Grant did you think it had more of them hitting their strides vs easier rules that maybe it had to do with them getting acclimated with the nba? They were both on increasing projections but I guess it has to be rules.

[@ddp5406]

@@MrSlashblade paul pierce talks shit about how much harder it was to score in his day. Yet he played pre handcheck and post handcheck 04...his numbers or efficiency did not sky rocket after 2004...he Must've not of gotten the memo Point is yeah they took handchecking away, but with them removing illegal defense it gave defenses way more flexibility and options to load up on people...the league wanted the game to be more pass heavy and free flowing...not isolation heavy and 10 second back to the basket post plays like it became in the 90's and 00's.. as teams got better and better at packing the lanes and playing team defense, the need for stretch bigs, and snipers to stretch out the defense became more than just a luxury, but a necessity

[@ddp5406]

2001 is when they got rid of illegal defense,2004 is when they curtailed handchecking

[@dynamic6645]

@@ddp5406 nope, handchecking was prohibited since 1979

[@lamontwhite2414]

@@dynamic6645 if that is true than why did the nba have to do another rule change in 94-95 season about removing hand checking 🤔

[@thenomad6532]

And then they bring up killer instinct when mj did was take advantage of the no zone defense. With no zone defense, he literally went where he wanted.

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

The zone defenses that literally let Michael Jordan shoot 54% FG in 3 college seasons at UNC? I’m not impressed lol.

[@nonamewillbegiven6847]

No he didnt. I/diot

[@riccardodepieri4582]

Thank you. I'm honestly so tired of these bullshit arguments it's not even funny anymore. They keep feeding the public the same shit over and over and back it up with unbelievably partial and biased stats. It's crazy. Keep it up

[@cenvalleybasketball]

how about the fact that players just knew how to play and pick their spots better than today, maybe that's a reason for the higher scoring numbers? This is just a common knowledge of people that still actually play basketball instead of punching numbers in the house. I'm 33, 5-10 still coach and train HS kids and not only myself but older guys in their late 40s early 50s even abuse these younger athletic guys ranging from 18-25 yrs old, just on actually playing smart basketball and using grown man strength and not just running up and down the court like a mad man. You can't tell me a Larry Bird or KiKi wouldn't put up those same numbers when the modern day version in Luka is putting up these crazy numbers, Luka is actually a throwback kinda player..very smart and knows the game. Other than that I agree with you, the argument about hand-checking is loose and lazy but I do think in the back of their mind they're more so basing their belief off what I just said. The laziness and lack of discipline on defense today is comical.

[@MrSlashblade]

How about the fact that most players had severely less spots to pick from then today’s game. While you might have an old guy beat an 18-25 year old, you see way more instances of a 15 year old killing those same old guys you are protecting and it’s nothing to even brag about. And they do this while still running up and down and not knowing how to play the game properly. Why? Because while their basketball iq is low (they’re 15 of course it is) they’re simply better than the 40 and 50 year olds. Also how can you praise Luka when his game is very similar to James Harden where both players use their intellect and craftiness to give them best scoring chances? Or do we have to wait until Luka avgs 40 and then you can hate on him, and also Kiki would not stand a chance. I’ve seen Kiki play and in no form would it translates to today’s game get over it. Theres also the obvious you use Kiki and Bird and praise Luka but hate on Harden despite similarity in their game style but let’s not go down that obvious rabbit hole. Also the defense, defense use to be 20% skill 80% effort. Guess what you can have those same ratios and still be a terrible defender because you need actual skill. Expending energy no longer qualifies you as a good defender, and while 80s and 90s has skilled defenders it’s overblown my the quantity many of your good defenders just hustled.

[@m.j.w.2876]

@@MrSlashblade overblown is your opinion, not fact based

[@realmontana6838]

This is a lie Kobe avg 35 a game in 05-06 right?

[@MistahUnknown]

@Real Montana That is still not more than Jordan's 37ppg in the pre-zone season.

[@wallstreetzoomer]

Because he is that good.

[@whereismycrewyo]

James Harden will flop his way on Olympic n find out it doesn't work cause FIBA actually allows players to play defense. He won't even score pass 10 points. Ask Durant on his game against France. How's that working out for NBA superstars? People r finally awaken to the fact that NBA now is a soft league and conditioning its players to be soft as hell

[@dpistons149]

Harden has been exposed. He’s not really that guy.

[@TheRiggedBA]

Or not that guy anymore at this stage.

[@3ball469]

The highest PPG by a small forward is Elgin Baylor in 1962 and then Rick Barry. But the 60s had an entirely different pace and style of play. All their stats were heavily inflated. You have to use modern era, it’s a more even sample. The highest PPG since 1982 is Michael Jordan, who’s an anomaly. After that it’s just a bunch of guys post zone. And trying to segment by position is meaningless. If there are more scorers producing higher PPG totals, then it’s irrelevant what position they are coming from.

[@TheRiggedBA]

It's segmented by position because the false claims are based on position. The common false claim is that hand-checking was prohibited starting in 2005, and this caused guards to score more today and become the dominant players. When in actuality hand-checking has been prohibited since before the 80s and guards, as well as every other position, actually scored more in the past and less today since zone was allowed.

[@PaulDaTruthPierce]

@@TheRiggedBA “Hand-checking has been prohibited since the 1980’s. Teams scored more in the past. Every position scored more in the past and less today since zone was allowed”. 1/3 True. 2/3 False. False: Handchecking did not end in 1979 hence why there are multiple nba rulebook and points of emphasis entries regarding hand checking in the 90’s and 2000’s after that . Just because you want 1979 to be the end of handchecking doesn’t make it so. False: Scoring at every position is not higher now than it was “ pre zone” . Point guards for example scored 10.1 ppg from 1945-2001. From 2001-2022, they scored 10.4 ppg. I guess you made the assumption that since league wide scoring was higher it would filter down to every position but that’s just not true. True: It is true that scoring “pre zone” (104.1 ppg) is higher than scoring “post zone” (101.2 ppg) BUT it’s not because of zone like you claim. It’s because of PACE. 92.83 PACE “post zone” vs 98.40 PACE pre zone meaning 4+ more possessions for those teams to put up stats. You could possibly make the argument that zone makes teams play at a slower style but then you would have to explain why the PACE from 1994-2001(91.19) in the “pre zone” era was slower than the PACE shortly after the “zone era” from 2002-2010( 91.34 PACE). Way too many holes in your arguments.

[@cojul1146]

Who is your top 10 ever

[@TheAndyk123]

He kind of answered this in another video. I can't remember which one. Maybe the KD one? He said the pre-zone and zone eras are too different to compare players across them, but the best pre-zone player was Shaq and the best in the zone era was Lebron.

[@zeekbey6425]

He answered this on part 3.

[@heroinvrxther5826]

Do you think LBJ is a better shooter than MJ?

[@TheRiggedBA]

I don't think so, no. He's a better outside shooter than MJ of course, but I wouldn't put that over MJ's mastery of his shot pretty much everywhere else.

[@heroinvrxther5826]

@@TheRiggedBA You think the mid range gap is greater than the 3 point gap? And are you factoring in that the 3 is harder to shoot from?

[@TheRiggedBA]

​@@heroinvrxther5826 Well LeBron being a better outside shooter than Jordan is a low bar because of how terrible an outside shooter Jordan was. LeBron is only a decent-but-not-great 3pt shooter, whereas Jordan was an all time great midrange shooter. I don't factor in 3s being harder because LeBron is one of those unusual players who shoot 3s relatively better than midrange. So 3pt range being harder to shoot from doesn't translate to him shooting better the closer he gets like it does most people.

[@darrelljohnson3648]

@@TheRiggedBA Great midrange shooter (for his era) and abysmal 3 point shooter versus decent mid range and 3 point shooter

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

@@heroinvrxther5826 Lebron’s 3pt%: 34.5% MJ’s 3pt%: 32.7% Lebron’s short mid range %’s 10-16ft: 36.7% MJ’s short mid range% 10-16 ft: 44.4% Lebron’s long mid range 16ft-3pt : 38.6% MJ’s long mid range % 16ft -3pt: 45.3% Lebron’s ft%: 73.5% MJ’s ft%: 83.5% What are we debating here ? By the way, in the playoffs the shot thay MJ was supposedly abysmal at, he ends up having a slightly better 3pt% than Lebron.

[@m23b24]

Cool

[@dubset622]

Have you seen this video from legends of winning? Curious about your thoughts on it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bp-lg4lmibCmrtE

[@detroitcity27]

If u think jh is as good a scorer thats only bcuz the league he play in,u see the difference malone 36000 career look how many chips he got,the scoring matter wen it counts.sorry folks,thats just facts

[@inquisitive.lurker]

These old bastards always say "IN TODAY'S GAME? EZ WORK" and fans eat it up without critically analyzing the rose-colored bias of today's commentators. SHEESH

[@nonamewillbegiven2826]

Today's game sucks. Cry about it kid

[@millabasset1710]

The only funny thing about Harden is how prolific of a choker he is. Harden is the Peyton Manning of the NBA.

[@champion909]

Mark Layhee At least Peyton won. He's more like Romo, Rivers or Kershaw.

[@bobhobler5992]

on god I was about to star freestyling to that beat

[@tayluc777]

Harden overrated.

[@jonnoibeckford2490]

What is this a MJ hating video. Comparing MJ and Harden is laughable

[@TheRiggedBA]

If you pay attention, you'll see it's not comparing them. It's asking if Harden will be the first zone era player to reach a pre-zone scoring average. A purely statistical question.

[@jonnoibeckford2490]

@@TheRiggedBA You realize in the year 2000 when started laxing handchecking more "most" of the 00s stars stats got better right? 1) Gary Payton In his prime, 1995-1999 6th season - 19.3 ppg + 7.5 apg (Age 27) - won DPOY, led 1996 Sonics to the Finals where they won 2 games against the 72-10 Bulls. 7th season - 21.8 ppg + 7.1 apg (Age 28) 8th season - 19.2 ppg + 8.3 apg (Age 29) 9th season - 21.7 ppg + 8.7 apg (Age 30) a past prime Payton for 4 years post 98-99 rule changes had 10th season - 24.2 ppg + 8.9 apg (age 31) - 99-00 season - first season without handchecking) 11th season - 23.1 ppg + 8.1 apg (Age 32) 12th season - 22.1 ppg + 9.0 apg (Age 33) 13th season - 20.4 ppg + 8.3 apg (Age 34) Payton's FG% increased every year from his 9th season to his 12th season, with only a 1.3% decrease in his 13th season. Gary payton was only 180 pounds and past his prime he was putting up those numbers vs so called Advance people and zone lol

[@jonnoibeckford2490]

Allen Iverson In 98-99, WON the scoring title with only 26.8 ppg Iverson the next year in 99-00 (after rule changes) had 28.4 ppg, but did NOT win the scoring title. That's the definition of inflated numbers and weak defense. Here is another interesting note. Iverson's assists decreased every year from his rookie season to his third season. 1st season - 23.5 ppg + 7.5 apg 2nd season - 22.0 ppg + 6.2 apg 3rd season - 26.8 ppg + 4.6 apg (98-99) then came the rule changes. You might expect that with more scoring, Iverson's assists would decrease. Let's see if that trend stays the same as we enter the "advanced and athletically superior" 2000s era 4th season - 28.4 ppg + 4.7 apg (99-00) 5th season - 31.1 ppg + 4.6 apg so for now, Iverson's assists are the same as they were in the last season of 90s rules, but his scoring keeps increasing. Why is that the case if the new defenses and players are tougher and better? 6th season - 31.4 ppg + 5.5 apg. 7th season - 27.3 ppg + 5.5 apg - this is still higher than his ppg + apg in his last year in the 90s 8th season - 30.7 ppg + 7.9 apg 9th season - 33.0 ppg + 7.4 apg So under the the new defenses in 2000s that are supposed to be so much tougher and advanced, Iverson's assists increase every year after decreasing every year in the 90s, even WITH his scoring increasing on top of that.

[@jonnoibeckford2490]

@@TheRiggedBA ) Chris Webber In his first 6 seasons, never reached 22 ppg for a full season. 2nd season - 20.1 ppg 3rd season - 23.7 ppg (but he only played 15 games due to injury) 4th season - 20.1 ppg 5th season - 21.9 ppg 6th season - 20.0 ppg (98-99 season) Then after the post-Jordan rule changes... 7th season - 24.5 ppg after the removal of handchecking (1999-00). 8th season - 27 ppg 9th season - 24.5 ppg 10th season - 23 ppg

[@jonnoibeckford2490]

@@TheRiggedBA Grant Hill Never reached 21.5 ppg in his first 5 seasons 3rd season - 21.4 ppg 4th season - 21.1 ppg 5th season - 21.1 ppg (98-99 season) Suddenly, after the removal of hand checking in 99-00 6th season - he magically averaged 25.8 pts, and his apg only decreased by 0.5 from the year before. He scored almost 5 ppg less in the "weak, unathletic" era of Jordan compared to the "advanced" 2000s era. Unfortunately, Grant Hill had serious injuries plaguing him for the rest of his career after this season

[@davidmejorada4204]

6-0 vs none?? try harder..

[@dubset622]

David Mejorada 1) the video doesn’t attempt to argue harden was better than Jordan.

[@MistahUnknown]

@David Mejorada You missed the point of the video, David. Try again.

[@TheRiggedBA]

David, since you seem to have missed the point of the video, it's about whether or not Harden will become the first player since the NBA allowed zone defense to achieve a scoring average as high as the ones pre-zone. It's not about who's a better player between Harden and Jordan.