James Hetfield Reflects on Napster (from Joe Rogan Experience

This clip is taken from the Joe Rogan Experience podcast #887 with James Hetfield ( • Joe Rogan Experience #... ), also available for download via iTunes & Stitcher (bit.ly/2igR5f9).
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[@burkejones8277]

Lars won’t be remembered as negatively for Napster as for that snare drum in St. Anger.

[@kassilewis5511]

Snare!?.....i thought he was mimicing "stomp" where they beat on trash cans.

[@Prillaquatjaa]

Amen

[@dickheiney7281]

@@kassilewis5511 it's like stomp, but it should be called stop

[@0fficialAnthony21]

I actually liked it

[@highlytechnical7072]

Or the lack of bass in And Justicer for All...

[@sethk7645]

James: "We now own all of the masters since Kill 'em All, and can do anything we want with them." Metallica Fans: "Re-release ...And Justice For All with bass"

[@Timbo6669]

@kane p lmao...Where have you been? the bass version [online now] is waaaaay better..Jason is a kick ass bass player and its great to hear what he did with those songs.

[@markwilliams7054]

@@Timbo6669 the original Justice represents a dark and angry time for the band, resentful of their new band mate for him being there instead of Cliff... despite them choosing Jason. So much like Cliff was removed from their lives by a tragic accident, out of unresolved pain and anger in the band, they removed Jason from the record. What you're left with is an angry flat sounding record with intense riffs and dark subject matter. For that reason, the original Justice should be respected and listened to for the timestamp in Metallica's history that it is.

[@cantbehelped]

Metallica: Re-releases AJFA without bass Everyone will remember that

[@sethk7645]

@@cantbehelped 😂😭

[@scottudell7202]

From what I have gathered, the original Justice masters aren't around anymore... They weren't properly stored, and degraded not long after those Guitar Hero stems were prepared. Things made on tape have a much LOWER shelf life than anything made digitally.

[@deputyvanhalen6386]

Oh the beauty of waiting for an album to come out. Going to the record store and buying that album. Taking it home and playing it several times. Once just listening to the music. Then listening to the music and looking and reading through the CD booklet, the artwork, the lyrics. Ahhh happy days.

[@chaosapiant]

This dude gets it. Listening to new music wasn't just a thing you used to do when you were bored. It was an inexperience. Everything from the trip to the record store, buying the album or CD or whatever, coming home and closing your bedroom door, popping it in, and just zoning out looking at the liner notes, pictures, and lyrics while be transported to a different world. I've got a modest vinyl collection now myself and am trying to get my 17 year old son to appreciate that while convenience is great, nothing feels better than cracking open a new album and experiencing it for the first time.

[@idontwantahandlewtf]

@S. catering to the average person above all else is what killed music. The average person also, at least back in the day, didn't listen to Metallica, and their records reflected that, in that you could listen to the whole thing, in that you SHOULD listen to the whole thing, because that was the intention. Black album on, they became just regular radio rock and just wanted the money from the person who only wanted to hear one or two songs.

[@kapteeniratto]

Being 36 myself, I remember those days. I also remember the experience of discovering a great band, only to find their albums are either out of print or are sold at "import" prices at records stores. As much as I feel nostalgia for that era, it was not all rainbows and sunshine.

[@mattmoves5920]

What beauty? When I was a kid I could not afford to buy more than few albums during a year and I had to rely on shitty quality recorded cassettes. And to skip until I found that song I liked. And having near to zero informations about the band, their history or the lyrics of their songs (english is not my native language). It sucked big time. You had to be fucking loaded to buy original albums. By the way, today you can still do it, what are you talking about?

[@Ojthemighty]

I still do that now. All the time

[@josephjester4917]

When I was a kid, if you couldn't afford to buy the band's album, you recorded the singles when they played on the radio.

[@waterhead1027]

I couldn't afford the CD or the tape recorder :) I'm doing OK now, but I was fucking dirt.

[@1retaliation1]

yeeeaaaaa...i would hate when the radio host would come out near the end of the song and fuck the whole recording up. Had to wait till the song came out again to record. Man tape was cool back in the day

[@AsdeEspadas.Fernando]

i bet they never did that... i actually bet they buy all the music they listen to..

[@hjembrentkent6181]

I had a MiniDisc system that recorded and parted up the songs from radio fucking sweet

[@weaponxx9467]

"Sales! Imprisoning me! All that I see! Endless bargains!"

[@nelsonr1467]

Lol!

[@deadtothewxrld]

This is America in December, as we’re outwardly joyous but crying on the inside

[@haywoodchablomi8037]

"I cannot rent I cannot buy too much debt my credit rate has fell"

[@oneboxagain]

Pretty sure the original was... BARGAINS! Imprisoning me. All I can see, Absolute savings! What a great deal, what I great find, look at these jeans, damn I look sexy as HEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLA!

[@tevster1316]

“I can’t believe the price... you pay!” Always thought that line from And Justice for All was something straight out of a commercial.

[@MaliciousSRT]

And now every album is on youtube for free

[@alexruiz743]

They get ad revenue on that

[@therocknrollmillennial535]

Except for "In The Court of The Crimson King," of course.

[@beepbeep2446]

The Rock'n'Roll Aristocracy to be fair Robert Fripp is a prick when it comes to streaming. So are the guys at Tool

[@marikasdaughter6263]

@@alexruiz743 how long do you think before lars comes after the ad blockers??? LUL

[@therocknrollmillennial535]

@@beepbeep2446 I don't know what you're talking about with Tool. I can listen to them on YT all I want, and they haven't once gotten taken down. Fripp is a different story.

[@MetalGamer666]

I was at an Iron Maiden concert around that time. Bruce Dickinson addressed it from stage, and he basically said that he was happy as long as people got to hear the music. The more people that are exposed to the music, the more people come to the concerts, buy the t-shirts, and even buying albums down the line. I became an even bigger fan of iron Maiden after that.

[@krausewitz6786]

Truth!

[@juliegogola4647]

Ahhhh, Metal gamer, can I have some children with you? I LOVE IRON MAIDEN,my FAVORITE BAND, and Metallica is my #2 favorite band. JUST KIDDING about the you knockin me up thing, having some kids, but, seriously, I am thinking that maybe Lars Ulrich from Metallica is kinda right, this IS their way of making money, who out there would gladly agree with somebody at their place of employment to share a portion of your salary with them? JUst think of splitting your paycheck with someone who didn't help you on the job, they just want some of that money you've earned, are you gonna just smile and give it up? Not likely, right? YES, Bruce is fine with Napster, BUT, if it went on too long, most bands EVEN IRON MAIDEN would really suffer, all bands especially good bands who write their own lyrics, and depend on that money to pay the bills, hell, most bands need that income. OKAY, yes, maybe I do look down on JayZ and Beyonce, since they LIKELY don't write all of their own lyrics and music. And that is the same for most Hip Hop artists. I do just hope that they would stop taking "samples" of already popular songs, and then trying to make HITS out of them, and maybe stop having "HIT SONGS" that are really just old HIT SONGS, in which they just add their own lyrics, and it;s the same beat as that old 1970's or 1980's song, they just add new lyrics, and a new little note or 2 on a synthesizer, etc. I do respect any Hip Hop artist that has made their own music, I may not like their music, but, I will respect it if they haven't gotten it from another band, and IF THEY DID, say where it came from, Give that credit where it IS DUE. I'll shut up now.

[@MetalGamer666]

Julie, sure. Hit me up. About Lars... the thing is... he was stupid. Antagonizing your fans is never a good idea. Even though he thought it was horrible that it appeared that he was losing money from Napster, he should not say anything bad about his fans like that. It has the opposite effect of what he thought would happen. All the fans wanted to do was listen to their music. So, even though you don't agree with it, it's not a good look when a heavy metal band sics their lawyers on their fans. I agree about what you said about rap and hip hop. The mainstream music is not about artistic expression, it's just about performing someone else's lyrics in a studio. I like when song writers starts performing their own stuff, like Sia.

[@MrCyberboobs]

Lenny Dc LMAO you thirsty fuck

[@rogerhutchins9883]

Yeah, and now Bruce Dickinson says that the napster dude should be in jail for telling people to steal music. His opinion has flipped completely as the fullness of time has proven what metallica stood for was totally accurate.

[@beerhe]

Napster could have been avoided if CD prices would have came down. CD's were $18 and up at the point Napster came out. The Music Industry became Greedy and they never learned their lesson. BTW, Walmart has CDs for $5 now. I still buy them, digitize them and have a backup.

[@4eightyvolt]

Arent they already digital on cd?

[@mikeadamski9844]

Disagree. Cost was one thing, but all these crap artists that were one-hit wonders what frustrated consumers. The record labels would sign someone, pick the only good catchy song they had and promote it like crazy on MTV and radio. You couldn't return it anything!!!

[@ClassicRock1973]

You're a fucking idiot. If you can't afford $18, that doesn't give you the right to steal. They don't OWE you cheap music. You are def an idiot millennial. WHO ARE YOU TO DECIDE WHAT IS AND WHAT IS NOT GREED?? They weren't greedy because you are TOO POOR TO BUY A CD. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM IN AMERICA. LAZY, ENTITLED, WHINY ASS MILLENIAL.

[@walker2980]

@@ClassicRock1973 man I agree with most of what you are saying but now the price of CDs got to be fucking ridiculous! I don't give a goddamn how good your income was, paying 20 fucking plus dollars for a CD was utter shit then. I mean that is today's prices back then. And that definitely had some effect cause people thought... well well, why should I pay 20-plus fucking dollars for this damn thing when I can get it for free. I mean the Temptation was too great for a lot of people, but just the fact that the digital age was coming also and also when sites started selling a whole album for download for $0.99 and you can burn it to a CD, I mean come on,it was a no brainer. And a lot of that kind of shit was the record company being behind it.

[@tonyford7726]

@@ClassicRock1973 Goddamn Entitled Millennials lol so true. I probably bought each Metallica album 3x each. First cassette, then again when it melted in my S-10 or the prick who stole my whole tape case. Lol

[@garywilliamson1859]

I'm a huge Metallica fan! Met James in Dallas after a show and he treated me like a friend. No ego just one hell of a nice person. He signed my Metallica cap which I still have today. James and Metallica kicks ass.

[@sethkale5031]

And one tight ass guitar player, too

[@Metzgerchef]

@@sethkale5031 Damn right!

[@danieldickinson5853]

Wow, what an incredible anecdote ....

[@ryuoh6928]

And they do donations to every city (for either hospitals, charities, etc) they go to during tours.

[@gn0015]

Happy for you buddy.

[@AnthonyColomboAppliedMath]

the way James described the vinyl experience is exactly correct.

[@ion-shivs]

I can appreciate that. But how many people have the time or the equipment to sit down and do that with an LP? Times have changed. Sure, everyone did that in the 70's, but we didn't have computers, movies, tablets, cellphones, gaming consoles and all the other shit we have to take up our time today.

[@justforhavens]

The time? I'm not sure I catch the extra time argument because it doesn't take long to take a record out and put it on the player. Equipment is pretty cheap relative to common electronics. I just moved recently and I will say it is a pain to lug around some couple hundred records wherever you go. They are very heavy, but I enjoy being able to play them and they make a nice focal point or conversation starter in my place.

[@BattleOfNY]

People do have the time. They just choose to use it in different ways. Rather than experiencing music the way James describes, they'd prefer to sit on their couch for hours and stare at their cellphone and scroll though facebook or instagram to see how many likes their posts got or to see what someone else is doing. We're so focused on everyone else and what everyone else thinks, that we've lost the art of taking time to sit and focus on a singular thing we want to enjoy on a personal level. Whether it be an album or even a film. Just because we live in an age where we have computers and cellphones, doesn't necessarily make that more important. I've been guilty plenty of times of putting an album or film on and unfortunately getting lost in my stupid-ass cellphone, completely losing focus on what I honestly wanted to enjoy on a personal level.

[@SophiaAphrodite]

I grew up at the end of the vinyl era. My first albums were Kiss Dynasty and Twisted Sister. I even had some 8 track tapes for my 77' Cordoba like Kiss Destroyer and Styx. Cassettes were taking over and I loved them but they were not better than vinyl. CD takes over and things changed. This was not about technology for technology sake. It was quality. Why would I say I prefer vinyl over CD, or CD over mp3 and claim something that has anything to do with sound quality. It is a nostalgia thing. I want my music to sound good. I can see them live if I want.

[@ThrashRebel]

Ion-SHIVs, in the 70s? It wasn’t just the 70s. Dude, in the 70s they had 8-tracks, reel-to-reel & vinyl. In my early years, I listened to my mom’s 8-tracks & records. Then, on the 80s, I started getting records of my own. The majority of my vinyl collection are LPs, EPs & 45s I bought in the 80s. In the 80s we had cassettes for our portable music, but most of us had vinyl, at home. In fact, as I type this, my record collection is four feet from me, on the shelves next to my bed. I won’t get rid of my vinyl records. I will pass them onto my kids &, hopefully, they will pass them on, as well. Vinyl is nostalgic.

[@cdbz20]

I like what south park did with this 😂😂😂

[@maxjudge020]

South Park and metallica have done multiple collaborations, James did the 'Going to Hell' song for the South Park movie in 99'.

[@JAMBI..]

The first thing that came to mind when I clicked the video. Lmfao

[@cdbz20]

@maciej wrotek Where they showed how stupid freaking out over pirated music is.

[@bigbleach1603]

See lars? He cant afford his shark tank for his mansion.

[@jordandangelo180]

Yeah bro that’s the first thing I think of with Lars and the giant swimming pool haha

[@TenThumbsProductions]

James has a wonderful speaking voice too. He’d make a great old school disc jockey. A weekly radio “the best music you’ve never heard”‘ starring Mr. James Hetfield.

[@grungepunk34]

“This is lars Ulrich of Metallica.... because of you downloading his music lars wont be able to afford the gold swimming pool bar this month that he was saving for..... he will now have to wait until next month so he can afford it...” - south park

[@javier232]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@813lynch]

Kyle "what's wrong with him" ? HahHa

[@Joe-ih3ln]

Lmaoo

[@DarthRaider520]

@James Richards how? Is the art inspired by sales or what? A lot of these artists types are extremely hypocritical when it comes to their product.

[@stateofamoricapodcast9239]

@@DarthRaider520 No, the art is not inspired by sales. But just like anyone else, they would like to get paid for their work. I don't know why this concept is foreign to people or viewed as bad. Whether it be musicians, filmmakers, painters...it is their living. Why is it perceived as greedy or non-artistic to expect to get paid for your work? If you spent six months to a year working on something and then a majority of the audience for it decided they were somehow entitled to receive it without paying, you'd be upset I'm sure. Because they're an artist they don't need to make money off their work to live? And the argument that these guys already have enough money is irrelevant too, so don't make it. There's no cap on how much money you should make before the fruits of your labor should be free. Most people that make these arguments just come off as bitter, as they have done nothing or produced nothing that people would pay money for or would want to steal. That's right, steal. Taking something without paying, regardless of the reason you've created to convince yourself it's okay, is stealing. I mean c'mon...the bare minimum you could do would be to subscribe to Spotify for $10 a month and have access to virtually any artist or album you can think of, plus the artist get some kind of payment for what they've provided you. Granted, Spotify generates next to nothing for the artist, but it's better than nothing at all.

[@jonhull]

People stopped buying records and now we have $200 concert tickets and $1000 meet and greets

[@ke3f]

“Dad .... THERE’s SONGS ON THE OTHER SIDE !!!” That quote earned my like

[@tomast9034]

todays kids look surprised when you turn the cassette/lp , put it back and it plays :D

[@xMorbidArtx]

@Commentor1 your mom?

[@greenmatrix30seven]

Ancient history

[@jlindsay]

MTV | Politics | Pied Piper | Battle for hearts & minds . Ω...Ω. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHWvp3egYs6HoKs

[@matthewellis8025]

Shoutout to those who then downloaded Metallica on Limewire, bearshare, and kazaa! I miss the vibe of the internet in those days.

[@stevenesbitt3528]

Matthew Ellis paid for everything Metallica I ever had, because I love them and they deserve nothing less.

[@chrismatorium8993]

Youngling, I still have my Metallica cassettes to this day.

[@waiferaway2983]

Me too! Dont worry I still bought music from the store.

[@SlipKoRnSaad]

Limewire and sharezae team here

[@cobraking_666]

@@stevenesbitt3528 who cares?

[@joshuaeagan6012]

Lars had to wait a few months before he could afford a gold-plated shark tank bar installed next to his pool - South Park

[@trashermaniac2216]

Yeah he's rich as fuck get over it you jealous maggot lol

[@tomecalm7]

And he wanted the platinum one, but had to settle for the gold one. Oooh the humanity!

[@thesmartestpenguin572]

@n n he literally posted a South park quote moron 😂😂 Stfu

[@punchfukker3383]

@n n copying is not theft: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKiQfnmbh515qNk

[@THESNEAKERADDICT]

Screw record companies, they don’t care about anything but money . In 2018 so many can go Indy and cash in without them.Bands should own their music

[@PersonalJesus97]

Abolish record companies. They serve no purpose anymore

[@flower5185]

TFW you realize all the music you listen to was promoted and distributed by major record companies

[@PersonalJesus97]

keyword ANYMORE. media can spread freely now without the need for huge marketing teams behind it because of the internet

[@flower5185]

The internet did not democratize exposure. The huge marketing teams are still effective and present.

[@PersonalJesus97]

evilmanimani effective? yes. necessary? no. are you actively trying to miss the point?

[@drewbiewildstar6917]

He's not attacking music, he's not even attacking record companies, he's saying that they are redundant, and honestly, they are. Artists never received any money off their records in the first place.

[@crowweller9629]

I wonder if that 16 year old kid they sued ever got his debt paid off.

[@MrLennybach]

who gives a fuck about the 16 year old punk.

[@VideosbySteve]

@@MrLennybach I do.

[@ThreeDaysOfDan]

@@VideosbySteve shouldn't pirate

[@jeffhafley3128]

The people they went after are the same ones who made them who they are. I still think they should have done it differently.

[@hyperluminalreality1]

First off, what 16 year old did Metallica sue? The founder of Napster was 21 in 2001. They reacted to an unreleased song they were working on for someone else being basically stolen and leaked via Napster. Any artist would be fucking pissed off. What they did was NOT a reaction to every one of their studio albums being traded freely on Napster. They already knew that. Lastly, no P2P traders made them who they are. Actual pre internet album, touring and merch sales made them who they are. I bought a Metal Up Your Ass t shirt at Day on the Green 1985. I had already bought Kill Em All and Ride The Lightning, which they were supporting at the time. Master Of Puppets was not even out yet, which I also bought at the record store. I got the cassette. Well, my mom did for me.......

[@syncom2816]

The backlash wasn't because you were successful, James. The backlash was because Lars sided with Hillary Rosen, the RIAA, and the "big corporate machine" that metal fans weren't really a part of. The backlash only got worse when the RIAA started suing kids because then it seemed like Lars (And Metallica by proxy) were endorsing it from their previous statements. I'm a musician and in retrospect I see what Lars was trying to start a dialogue about, but the manner in which he did it really alienated fans.

[@Chropoles]

thats why Lars is the drummer ... he just beats it out ... ta dum tst! ...i'll show myself out.

[@Nightdare]

The backlash was because Metallica sold out, while kicking against company shilling for years, they became company shills the moment they started making money

[@MajesticDemonLord]

For my 2 cents, I've downloaded shit loads of music (metal), I've also bought shit loads of Music, I've bought T-shirts, I've bought Concert Tickets, I've bought DVDs. And most of that is due to the fact that I downloaded music, listened to it, loved it and continue to spend money on it. I was annoyed at Lars because of the presumption that I'm somehow freeloading. That said, due to Napster, Downloading etc. we now have Streaming services that allows us the Fan to consume the media in the method that we want to (and pay appropriately for it)

[@hands-onfilmmaking]

Well, within 20 years of the turn of the century Lars was right. Music is dying and being replaced by manufactured shit mostly because no one buys music like they used to. It is all online for free, and I am as guilty as anyone else but Lars saw this shit coming. Gotta give him credit for that.

[@phuturephunk]

I'd like to comment on that too...I was 20 when Napster hit and you would not believe how many people on messageboards, in talk with friends...whatever, would try to justify not paying for anything. People would jump through hoops to rationalize why giving zero dollars even for stuff that they absolutely loved, was all good. Fast forward about 20 years and here we are.

[@HereForAStorm]

I was one of the 300,000 'Banned by Metallica' on Napster, lol.

[@ScrewFearMe]

i wasnt, i was still downloading music on Napster until it died :( those were the days when you could download a few songs a day

[@kneelevelweidman4025]

ronjon83 I swtiched to Kazzaa afterwords 😀

[@ScrewFearMe]

Kazzaa, hahahahahaha you mean that virus infested shit?

[@kneelevelweidman4025]

Didn't matter to me, shit worked and I had no good info on my computer for them to steal. You keep your real info on computers that never see the internet 😉

[@randalflagg5937]

Same today... And what's funny is, I've been a Rhapsody customer for a few years now, and now its Napster..not really napster.. it's pretty much still Rhapsody... but they call it Napster now..

[@MikeKay1978]

James got an epic radio voice, that is for sure.

[@snafumagu]

Napster was an illegal platform, but so was Walmart and BMG price fixing CDs. Record companies and artists were ok with price gouging till Napster blew it all up.

[@sc0tchlvr]

So in other words, the record companies when they decided to price gouge is what gave rise to Napster. If the price was fair to begin with, Napster wouldn't have had such an impact. Think about it. Corporate greed causes piracy; piracy not an entity all on it's own and actually has a cause behind the behavior. The record companies got what they deserved and Napster even though illegal, was their spanking. Sad they still don't get it and are still reaming the public.

[@JD-gk7eh]

@@sc0tchlvr More or less. I don't think we can say that online file sharing was a just response because it was stealing in the end, but it was a direct response to a monopoly that made you pay $16-20 for a CD of songs you may not have wanted just so you could get the one you did. They killed off the CD single years before and when you could find singles, they were like $10 and included 17 versions (a couple remixes, instrumental, maybe an acapalla...) of the song you definitely didn't want. For a few bucks more, you could get the entire album and if you liked at least one more song on it, that was something better. When Napster came out, I got to listen to all these songs I had heard on MTV years earlier and had nearly forgotten about. It was amazing what I got top listen to. I could never afford to buy all those albums. It took almost 5 years for them to come out with iTunes for Windows so that purchasing songs ala carte was finally a thing. 5 years to give the market what it clearly wanted.

[@harrydepova8896]

Napster was not a result of the price of a cd. Napster was the natural progression of technology blending with stealing music. People have been stealing music since the first time it was recorded. Napster came with the advent of high speed internet. The cost of a cd was irrelevant most the time. It was being able to download a song and have it in a few minutes rather than being forced to drive to the store to buy the album. It was just quicker and easier. Nothing dropped music piracy more than the invention of Itunes. Record companies had no idea what the internet was going to do to their industry.

[@SoFarSoGoodSoWhat14]

Yep as usual, big corporations being annoyed that people on the internet beat them to the punch

[@snafumagu]

@Anderson Cooper is that what I said, oh angry one?

[@cromcast3305]

10:30 "The more ways you can get music to people the better." ..unless it's napster.

[@jimcollins8703]

This isn't something that just happened overnight. We were doing this since the 70s. We would put a cassette tape in the player, hit the record button and the pause button, then listen to the radio, record our favorite songs, to create mixtapes. Then we would trade them with our friends. There were dozens and dozens of bands that I never would have heard of, if it wasn't for the mixtapes that I trades with my friends. It boosted record sales. It was free advertising, just like the radio, midnight special, MTV, and KZbin.

[@mr.balloffur]

But the difference in doing it the way you did versus downloading is I can download hundred songs in just a few hours. It was the volume of downloads that made them mad.

[@theladyfingers___]

The other reason vinyl has surged in popularity is because bands like Metallica compress and limit their masters so hard that all modern digital releases sound comparatively terrible.

[@davidsearle3733]

Canadian here. I definitely paid on average $25 per CD in the mid to late 90's (+ 15% tax with minimum wage being about $6/hr). Often times for rare or imported albums it was easily $35. Also, the quality of plastic degraded significantly from the late 80's to the late 90's and damaged CD's that skipped were just a way of life. I re-purchased several albums over the years but for those prices it just wasn't worth it compared to getting something new. So yeah I started to rip every CD I got as soon as I bought it and began pirating long before Napster blew up. I work in the music industry and have a small recording studio. No regrets. The record companies took their customers for granted and abused their cartel power so we reacted and the market changed. Any one of the labels could have managed profit loss by creating a subscription service like Spotify 20 years ago but instead went the way of Blockbuster. Musicians should be blaming the companies not consumers. Not too mention paying full price for albums that are 50 years old to copyright holders that had been inherited or bought from dead artists was ridiculous. I'll buy an album at a show (usually an emerging artist) but I just rip it and throw it in a box or give it away to someone else. You want to make a living off music? Then tour and prove your salt.

[@mhernandez1345]

David Searle thank you for articulating this!

[@jakegraham3758]

Streaming is an absolute blessing we shouldn’t have to pay 20$ for a cd if people like ur music they’ll show up at your shows it where artists make all their money anyways albums sales are nothing too the label gets most of those proceeds

[@socomcygnusx1778]

Well said.

[@ClassicRock1973]

You're an idiot

[@FilmThePoliceFTP]

How is one supposed to tour with no income from records?

[@jk-76]

Lars was big time in the underground tape trade. He said it all the time, he recorded and traded tapes when he younger. How is it any different than downloading?

[@metalmachine101]

anthony gabaldon it wasnt about downloading, it was about losing control of their music. "I Disappear" was the song that was stolen and released. I disappear wasnt finished when it was stolen (production)

[@mytec23]

Hello welcome to 2016! loosing control of ones property because someone has access to it over the internet is a bullshit excuse. How are those Hillary Clinton emails doing? Hetfield and most people are completely out of touch how the internet works. You cannot stop content from getting distributed for free, especially music which is highly thought after!

[@damagejackal10]

Recording shitty 5th generation bootlegs on tape is different to high quality digital downloads.

[@bluedogguy]

You make a tape of something and hand it to three or four of your high school friends. As opposed to ripping it, putting it up on P2P and having people all over the world copy it hundreds of thousands of times. yeah - I would say it's different.

[@jk-76]

bluedogguy how is it different? Same copyright laws. He was just on a high horse man. He was out of touch with the way things were going and gambled on greed. Pissed a bunch of people off to see him be corporate.

[@leganzar7831]

Hetfield's soul cringed when he said "urban outfitter … that's where you get vinyl now"

[@amirahmed2095]

Hetfield in Urban Outfitters, 'Excuse me ma'am, do you have this in black?'

[@samuelg7673]

yeah, except you can still find Vinyls other places, those places only sell cheap players as hipster bait.

[@dinkyvision]

Samuel Gottschall the plural of vinyl is vinyl.

[@ncsludgefactory5445]

This dude shops in paris

[@dickenya3278]

I'm old enough to remember when used CD stores came onto the scene. Artists were freaking out about that too! The beauty of the used CD though was that it was bought and paid for already, the residual income went to the retail shop and it's employees. For many years, used CD stores kept a lot of people employed...not so much anymore.

[@mck1972]

www.newsweek.com/why-garth-brooks-feels-used-194790

[@jackm1091]

I miss Cheapo Records. Grew up in those...

[@webtheweb]

Now it's used mp3's ...

[@africaRBG]

That wasnt that long ago. U can still find them usually. Im 30.

[@kabluey_louie1718]

There's nothing like putting a record on a record player, hearing the pops and hisses, the smell of old vinyls. It's a great feeling.

[@111highgh]

Give me my Compact Discs.

[@kabluey_louie1718]

@@111highgh I used to buy CD's and still DO for the booklets.

[@robpetri5996]

It is the record companies that screwed. I've never wanted free music. I just wanted it in the form I chose. Record companies spent a decade telling me they would not take my money an let me download music. That is the real draw and the real reason for the current state. The record labels should have worked together to create their own version of iTunes 8 years before it showed up and then it would be theirs.

[@DarthVader1977]

Rob Petri and* let me

[@chrisolivo6591]

Rob Petri in the mid 90’s, they had CD Singles at Tower Records and they were perfect for fans like me who didn’t want to buy a $14 CD with 1 or 2 good songs. Then CD Singles vanished because they realized they couldn’t milk the public with those $14 CD’s anymore. Ironically that was the beginning of the end as they cut their nose to spite their face.

[@freeman7079]

What the fuck are you even talking about

[@traceytaggart1740]

It’s the artists who got screwed as labels started demanding huge cut from merch and tours in the post- Napster world. These were once the money makers for bands as they got most of the profit. Now, the labels have most artists in indentured servitude.

[@smellygoat]

Not true many people can create music without a record label now. Most don't have a record label. The labels screwed themselves by not creating the market that people wanted the same way places like Netflix have.

[@funkysc100]

tool albums are awesome looking, they are art! no wonder why tool is not on spotify or itunes..

[@Real_SkyRipper]

why people care about spotify or itunes? i never use that i just download the albums and done, no need for internet they are there for me to listen easy

[@Highlander77]

I thought like that until I started using Spotify. The convenience and ease of access is hard to beat. And at least with Spotify the artists are still getting some sort of compensation for their work.

[@EricHamm]

I fucking love the hidden art, shit was dope when you found it. Tool has the luxury of not needing to be on those digital distribution methods. For a up and coming artist it is almost monetary suicide to avoid using at least either KZbin, Spotify, or Soundcloud.

[@Tenken89]

Not everyone is into pirating.

[@EricHamm]

MadLane There is a great reason. It has curated music, curating your own playlists can take a lot of effort. Some people just want to hear new stuff and try new things. But my point in this matter is streaming services support the artist when you listen to them. They don't make money if you pirate their music. If you buy it, sure, its yours to do with whatever you like. But don't discredit streaming services as they too give money to the artist and make it easy for the masses to listen to curated playlists and find new things.

[@johnanthony9923]

Based on his logic that he only wants you to listen to their music in the way they put an album together, they clearly would be against fans buying individual songs or listening to their music out of order on itunes or streaming sites. Oh wait....they get paid on those sites so they are cool with that. At least be honest and admit it's about the money.

[@cokerockstop2]

John Anthony you wouldn't understand if your not an artist or and musician.

[@CloakingDonkey]

cokerockstop2 so what is the difference then between napster and spotify/itunes?

[@cokerockstop2]

CloakingDonkey thats not what I'm arguing about. Napster was basically lime wire. Taking peoples personal belongings before they wanted them released is just fucked up. And if that doesn't make sense to you then I'm sorry.

[@CloakingDonkey]

cokerockstop2 so it's about money. That's all op was saying.

[@cokerockstop2]

CloakingDonkey its about integrity more than money. Of course anyone is going to want to get paid for the job they did. Why get hate for that?

[@aarondunn6759]

MONEY GOOD, NAPSTER BAD!!!

[@heyllo1337]

Hello oney

[@Sprinkles-BtE]

Lmao showing your age.

[@user295295]

BEER GOOD! NAPSTER BAD!!

[@jameshetfield5382]

How dare those greedy musicians sell their own art. Motherfuckers.

[@foskco87]

Just for the record paramedics actually barely get paid at all. They make atrocious wages for what they do.

[@extropian]

David not in Canada they get PAID.

[@fordrac1ng81]

in the USA they usually make $30-50k depending on senority

[@Lengsel7]

I heard it was like $10-12 per hour.

[@grampsey]

Paramedics are highly trained and get paid well. You're probably talking about EMT's and First Responders my dude. They obviously have training, but aren't really making much.

[@yuritarted106]

So what's your point? Are you going to do something about it? If not then shut up.

[@andrewr7982]

I remember taping songs off the radio.

[@ShayFeral]

At 3:45/3:46 when James turns his head, someone farted.

[@VipersNest]

Jesus that wasn't even sneaky!

[@Bassmanhill84]

Dude. That's a big ass fart. Why didn't he say something ??

[@Cognitoman]

Lol god damb

[@mrinternet5562]

Fart? I hope he checked his rockstar underpants ...

[@kybardi11.11]

Hahahahahahaaha

[@petercurro8899]

I bet him and Larse Recorded HUNDREDS of songs from the radio with a cassette recorder !

[@Metal-Possum]

Tape trading was how Heavy Metal got around in the 80's and early 90's. Every band ever that had some kind of fame back then was traded in the underground until it made it into the right hands.

[@ArmaGuyz]

LOL yep and you know they pull up fucking youtube and listen a song real fast now and then just like everyone else. They are human too, they may be rock gods but they go with whats easiest at the time just like we all do.

[@Hungrydingo]

Sure, but if it gets played on the radio the artist gets paid for it's play and they weren't mass distributing the song after they recorded it. Maybe trading the tape back and forth, but that doesn't allow thousand to millions of people to get it without any compensation to the creator.

[@petercurro8899]

@@Hungrydingo you forget that Millions of people all across the USA and World Wide were recording the same songs on thete cassets. So it still adds to Millions of dollars in Unpaid royalties

[@endezeichengrimm]

Even so, what is your point? Radio IS free. Records are not. Very different.

[@omgWand]

"The more ways you can get music to people the better." Holy FUCK the irony stings my soul.

[@1otonhammer38]

smh

[@stansmith6343]

No one downloads metallicas music anymore anyway.

[@Jozua86]

I downloaded their new album only a few weeks ago.

[@Claptonisgod33]

Stan Smith Yeah their new album was pretty decent

[@OverbearingUrge]

Spencer Chudyk You can thank Rick Rubin for that. He straight up told them, "you want me to produce your album, then we go back to the Master of Puppets and Ride the Lightning days."

[@oliverl8749]

Stan Smith is a pickpocket

[@stansmith6343]

He doesnt care what they put out, only if he can put it at maximum compression!

[@dootdoot1867]

I think over 300 Million have been spent by Entertainment labels and Universities on the effects of "Stolen" or "Pirated" copies of different media. All of them have conclusively found that it will increase the sales for all forms of media.. From Music to Movies to VideoGames. In the end it is more about the culture of the Music. Yes Musicians should always be compensated for their art and creation. But they chose to have their beef with their fans and the poor people that would otherwise not consume their creation over the Record Companies who where taking over 90% of the money that the fans where trying to compensate their favored artist with. For some reason it is always the fault of the people with the least power and least economic standing that are to blame for all the woes. When in reality it was the people above the Musicians which starved out the industry and monopolized art. To the Point Where Metallica didn't even own their Masters. Musicians could have used Napster as their way completely free of the Entertainment Monopoly. Instead they fought against their own fans to kill it in a futile fight that could never have been won. They where used as a Tool in an effort to put heavy sanctions and restrictions on the internet for the entire world. James still thinks it is about someone trying to take money from his pocket.. When he in the same breath talks about selling his soul to the record label or "Bank" ... While not even owning their own music that they created. Yet it was about the poor person.

[@disciplethepoet]

Just gonna throw this out there. James is worth 300 million

[@idontwantahandlewtf]

That's actually kinda sad, when you think about how many records he sold and continues to sell, royalties from people using Metallica in their movies etc.

[@retardedcore]

@@idontwantahandlewtf Yeah...I feel so bad for the dudes that happened to be the ones to sell out and cash in on thrash and now have multiple houses and Kirk Hammet can afford to buy a million and a half dollar guitar at auction.

[@MechaSandvich]

Networth does not equal how much money you have in your bank. He’s still loaded now, but it’s not that high in actuality

[@retardedcore]

@@MechaSandvich Lars, James, and Kirk are all worth hundreds of millions of dollars (numbers I've seen have them at nearly half a billion dollars a piece). At worst they have liquidity in the tens of millions, at best its in the 100-200 million dollar range. Out of all the bands to stick up for, Metallica are not the ones. Feel bad for Slayer, Anthrax, Testament, Exodus, etc... They were all on the forefront of thrash but aren't worth anywhere close to what Metallica is because they didn't sell out and make corny hard rock records for the big bucks.

[@ralphiecifaretto8961]

And? So?

[@HipHop24Seven]

The reason why Napster (& later on Kazaa, Bearshare, Limewire, etc) blew up & got popular for dl-ing mp3s, albums, entire catalogs, was because it was the hot viral thing at the time, blank cds (cd-r) started selling like hotcakes, & some people even sold burnt/mixed CDs for profit. Everyone from my generation dl-ed music; it was like getting free porn.

[@praxis6172]

Fuck, i havent thought of Kazaa in forever. Good times

[@Fatone85]

The irony of them talking about Spotify in the end there is redeeming.

[@coolikep617]

LARS POOR GUY.... HE HAS TO FLY AROUND IN A G5 INSTEAD OF A G6.

[@charlesalexanderable]

"Music is our life, you know. If you take that... The way we wanted to present our music is part of our art." Yet Metallica had to settle with Dave Mustaine for stealing several of his songs..

[@moosedrummer1]

617pito it’s dumbasses like you that don’t get that he did it for all artist not himself. If it was you and that’s how you made your living I bet you would bitch too. Like say you install floors. What if your company advertised a floor installation sharing promotion and people could get free installation because the company just shared your skill and sent your ass out there and you put the floors in and they said,” Well thanks for sharing Pito you stupid Fuck. See you tomorrow!” Yeah. That shit. Grow up and stop saying stupid shit.

[@makemarker]

@@moosedrummer1 too bad you don't get the joke he posted 🤣

[@lookherelooklisten1975]

He had to wait 3 months for his gold plated shark tank bar. POOR MAN

[@makemarker]

I guess noone here watched the South Park episode 😉

[@MiCMaCMoRTiCiAn]

Master of puppets on vinyl mannnnnnn god damn greatest shit ever!!!! that crackle leading into battery. I get goosebumps thinking about it now

[@stephenwinchester6668]

I hear that there is something special about vinyl that isn’t really experienced with cd, tape, digital....would you say this is true?

[@much_love]

Metallica owes their success greatly to tape trading in the early 80’s

[@yuritarted106]

Much Love No. They owe their success greatly to being fucking GREAT at what they do.

[@bluecomet1109]

Yuri Tarted he's got a point, no life til leather demo tapes started it

[@yuritarted106]

silent phantom Sure he does. But so do I. And my point has more to do with their success than his point that is repeated 100x throughout these comments. Bands that weren't great didn't have success even though tape trading was around, did they? ; )

[@bluecomet1109]

Yuri Tarted well yes metallica has been successful because of what they do no argument there, I was just agreeing with the commentor, so you are both right :)

[@zachary_attackery]

Metallica was succesful because of MTV and the black album...if you think they got famous off their demo tapes you're a fucking moron

[@fograw5]

artists dont get shit from record deals, they make all their money from touring....only mega groups like metallica make money from record deals

[@flower5185]

Only mega groups like Metallica make money from touring. Most bands lose money on tour. Guess what? Indie music never made much money to begin with but now that recorded music is worth nothing, they are even poorer. That's just how it is.

[@fograw5]

evilmanimani yeah indie musicians like macklemore are super poor, im personally friends with a regional band from ohio that makes their living on tour....but apparently "thats just how it is"

[@godsmacking99]

If you're losing money touring, it means you're not doing it right and your band won't be around very long. The reality is it's actually the complete opposite and bands rely on touring and merch sales to turn a profit nowadays since album sales are pretty much non-existent. Don't know where you got your info from that most bands lose money touring, but it's completely false. Bands lose money making albums and they make their real living on the road. You're not making any money if you're not on the road.

[@Ifslayanct]

That's how it's shifted over the years, yes. Before the internet they had to produce 1 to 2 albums a year to put on the shelves at stores and stay relevant, and that was the only way to get the music out to people. Now it's 1 album, 1 or 2 years of touring, then into the studio again to make and record another one. Times change. Some people like Lars don't get it.

[@jdavis234]

Do you think the quality of music now is better or worse than back then?

[@ganzyjam2602]

My record collection smells like an old musty beer case with a hint of ashtray. Hell yeah, vinyl is the coolest way to enjoy music hands down.

[@Alster123456]

That guy sounds alot like the water polo coach from American Dad.

[@masteroftheheadcrabs3123]

James?

[@UnionJackass94]

That's because it was him 😂😂😂

[@Mitch-Cumstein]

@@UnionJackass94 r/whoooosh

[@KittyBoom360]

as if he never bootlegged stuff back in his day i agree with all sides because there is no "natural" or absolute right answer on property rights when it comes to other people using other people's tech. artists have natural control over their voices but not over recording and sharing devices. so beyond forcing artists to sing live, the rest is very much open to debate. however, there ought to be distinction between actual theft and sharing as equally being theft, for reals. if i can copy your loaf of bread without taking your loaf, then that's a big difference. yeah, yeah, i get the whole idea that copying could take away a person's ability to buy bread, but we could say the same about the then starving pirates and plus it's still just not the same and weak.

[@utubepunk]

James Galen Bloyd Doesn't help his case that album sales were at a near all time high when Napster was at its height. Execs at the RIAA were getting paid, artist in general got peanuts. The RIAA ripped them off more than any fan who downloaded an MP3.

[@juancastellanos909]

Joe was quick to ask “Spotify?” Lol

[@fedor3000]

when he said goggles, i really thought of him as a grandpa

[@naxxer-nha]

let us all appreciate a Hetfield "Yeah!" out its common habitat 15:42

[@Lothedone]

My friend use to log on to Napster just to have it say .. “you’ve been BANNED by Metallica!!” He loved it lol

[@xMorbidArtx]

Lul, that's great

[@stern2221]

I had it too😁

[@frankmaitland2569]

$18.00 CD'S

[@jonnysupreme]

3:45 that was a massive fart 😂😂😂

[@dan-b-gone6557]

I’ve met James four times. He remembered meeting me the third time. James and when Jason was in the band, were so incredible to meet and shoot the shit with. This is how James talks. Very real and cool person.

[@c-kretlab-z8101]

Fridge/freezer for sale. Needs repair, $20 or best offer.

[@alexanderdemontfort3022]

Ah, Lars turned up to the Napster offices across 24-hour News with a binder of names and asked Napster to do something about it. I'd say this is why he's often targeted.

[@alexanderdemontfort3022]

***** yeah, agreed.

[@EricHamm]

+Ryan Davis How is Alexander or Elephantrider's opinions irrelevant? They never once implied "You don't deserve copy right". They were talking about Lars being a douche, and to be honest after some more reading and looking at some Google images, I would agree lars acted like a shit head. Supposidly he promoted his first band with illegal cassette tape hubs so he literally did a life contradiction if that is true. Don't care enought to look into this anymore, I was reading news on my compaq when this happened. There is some interesting info in this wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallica_v._Napster,_Inc.

[@muriloninja]

And he simply a fucking douchebag limp wristed pansy as well!

[@Outside85]

If a group of people broke in and looted your house and you somehow found out who they were, wouldn't you want to do something about it?

[@ZiddersRooFurry]

Fuck that homophobia noise.

[@TheDizzleHawke]

“They really threw Jason Newstead under the bus.” -Cliff Burton

[@chokepointgaming3827]

Oh wow, I think it will always be too early for that LMFAO.

[@kennethg374]

Just so you know James, I bought every Metallica Album I could get my hands on, because I heard a bootleg cassette tape from a live concert from the Kill-em-All tour. Your welcome 😉

[@xMorbidArtx]

You think youre the first to bring up that cassette pirating shit? Which actually required going out to get? Whereas now you can sit your fatass on a chair and type out a song on youtube? lol

[@tomobrien4965]

'Just so you know' Kill Em All bootlegs were way before the fkn internet and mass exploitation, get some perspective.

[@kennethg374]

Tom O'Brien, My perspective hasn’t changed, the industry has. I’d do the same as if they released the Kill em all Tour today! Fortunately, you don’t have to pay 20 dollars for an album or shit CD if you’re only interested in one song theses days. Metallica fought to stop the inherent change that was to be the digital age, while others embraced it. Which thankfully allows us all more exposure to the eclectic diversity of music we have today. If speed metal is your thing, the list is a mile long, from bands all over the world. I get the new perspective, I haven’t bought an album or a CD in over 20 years, but I’ve added more songs to my music library than I ever did from the 80’s and 90’s and at a much cheaper cost. ( which I still purchase and not steal from other shady sites that offer no royalties to the musicians ) I don’t recall addressing you specifically in my comment above, it was directed to Mr James Hetfield, I have no grand illusion of him ever replying, it was only a passing thought of sarcasm printed in a digital format, but as always there’s the SJW’s that have to respond with insults and ignorance to help them feel as if they’ve planted their righteous value flag on a comment that never meant anything to begin with. Don’t bother yourself with my comments, instead gain a new perspective on life and focus your energy on something that may actually help you grow up a little and move forward to better yourself. Best wishes !

[@xMorbidArtx]

@@kennethg374 'Eclectic diversity' of trash music, hardly inspired as hardly profitable, for sure.

[@kennethg374]

CorrugatedLadder there’s still good musicians out there, my new kick is with Billy Strings these days. The SRV of bluegrass. And I found it just by chance right here on youtube. Embrace change, it’s not always for the better but there’s always someone who finds a way to shine.😉

[@jlobiafra]

Joe Rogan - “Has Metallica ever tried DMT?” James Hetfield “ OHHH YEAH!!!”

[@oneandonly8160]

Carlos M “YEAYEAH”

[@ericunderwood1482]

Hey James...your still a cool guy....always were...you never gave anyone any problems...I remember you at Downey High...Long hair always a smile head bouncing up and down ...good for you I got 18 days clean from a lifetime of stupidity...You were and still are way cool! Blessings to you and yours Eric Underwood class of 81 ,Downey High!!!

[@EtcEtcAndEtc]

Can't help but love James (the new James, at least). Always impressive when someone cleans themselves up but remains themselves. He could so easily have taken the wrong turn! Decent guy

[@rsears78]

EtcEtcAndEtc I hear you man I m glad he’s clean, I just wish him the rest of the guys didn’t have those shitty egos.

[@sorooshkianmehr2024]

At least Kirk and Rob don't have massive egos

[@jasonking454]

James: Hold my beer.

[@Rand0m411]

Metallica went from thanking fans for bootlegging their music on cassette and making them hugely popular with zero radio play to the napster days... Smh

[@Amacklemore02]

Smh - (Shaving-My-Head)

[@jharju2352]

@Macrocrash11 This is something that non-practitioners often forget or overlook. The investment may be founded on passion but it's not hard to understand why artists prefer some form of compensation for their work.

[@justinhoffman5339]

That's in the days of analog. It's 1000x easier to just download a song for free than it is to copy a cassette back in the day

[@LANPOCALYPSE]

@Scotty St Cloud LoL, they no longer put out good music... Maybe one or two songs an album now versus damn near every song on an album before they got full of themselves and cut their hair.

[@jimbrooks3370]

Like it or not, you do not have a right to someone else's labor. If they choose to give away the product of their labor for free, that's their choice. Just because they've done it in the past, that doesn't mean that they are required to do it forever. I build houses for a living. If I choose to build a few for Habitat for Humanity, that is my choice. That doesn't mean that you have the right to a free house from me in the future.

[@palmtrees89]

Sometimes looking at the album art is almost like painting that the music reflects to. So it's like looking at a story as the soundtrack plays. The beauty of album art.

[@markf.4063]

Except that Metallica has always had shitty album art.

[@nikosucksatskating]

@@markf.4063 bullshit

[@scout3058]

I never "disappear" into music anymore. I listen to it in my truck, but not very loudly. I listen to it in the shower. It almost instantly becomes white noise in both.

[@greenarrowbc9972]

The irony of a band that built their careers in the underground tape trading scene freaking out about Napster will never cease to amaze me. Their whole careers started from an old school version of music piracy. They just have nostalgia for tape trading so it gets a pass.

[@adamvanderriet9669]

The huge financial risk behind forking out millions of (borrowed) dollars to create, package and ship tons of cd's/vinyls/cassettes as a professional musician, is hardly comparable to a bunch of unknown spotty punks posting out a hundred TDK cassettes produced in their parents' garage and paid for with their pocket money, haha \m/

[@aximtaioreunin7917]

Napster, Napster, where's the songs that I've been after? (I stole this comment)

[@samuelg7673]

where's the lawsuit I've been after.

[@punchfukker3383]

copying is not theft!: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKiQfnmbh515qNk

[@danielbarbee7712]

Lars has managed that band so well, financially. He gave so many worry free hours to his band mates.

[@_baller]

I miss owning a CD it was like a contribution to my own identity, now streaming is like a cheap rental

[@kittykuroki]

You can still buy cds! Personally if i fall absolutely in love with an album, ill get it on vinyl. Makes it feel official, not even for the record just to have giant physical artwork of your favorite music

[@KeithChapman-hr5kx]

Still got my 300 CD folder mfker is like 30 lbs lol but I agree ur CD or tape collection was part of who you was. It was half the fun of a road trip in finding the tunes and having them in order, if you was lucky or rich you had a 6 disk CD changer hidden in ur trunk or mounted somewhere. It was amazing and us 80 s kids got to live in my opinion thw greatest times. We went thru the tech boom and birth of the true internet, them early days will never be replicated.

[@j.macjordan9779]

@@kittykuroki - Indeed; I like this 2nd rise of vinyl. Wal-Mart's Vudu has an instant digital streaming + DVD/Blu-ray/4K disc by mail option for new movies... I wonder if any music services have given this a try as well...?

[@j.macjordan9779]

@@KeithChapman-hr5kx - I had (still have) Sony's Home Theatre 51 disc carousel cd player. It was cool...for the time. Now it just shows how ripe for change the music industry was for a whole new medium... The carousel had flashy lights though and a window to see it moving discs around... I haven't seen that in digital download...lol...*sigh

[@davidmiller9485]

That is what they want. Just look at software. Microsoft made sure to start this trend so they could ALWAYS own the software. People are so ignorant of the law. The law says that once you pay for it, it's yours. You don't own the "intellectual" part but you do own what you paid for. The entertainment industries are trying to change that by making it a rent only system.

[@miklpooln]

On Napster at that time, searching Metallica yielded no results, however searching for "metallisuck" would provide you with their whole discography. What a time.

[@LunatiqHigh]

Calling bullshit. I was there, just like any other platform there was millions of results.

[@willmarsh8287]

Through out history, music was never based on money. there were no albums. For a short period of time (1920s - 200...1?) there was a workable business model around music through album sales. That is now gone, and it may never return....so time to hit the road and play play play gigs.

[@JayMaverick]

Love Hetfield and his attitude to life and music. The point about Napster was never about destroying bands or stealing music. It was a natural evolution of music distribution technology. The only people really suffering from it were record companies and bands who couldn't adapt.

[@calebmacmoyer4450]

I'm always going to be a fan of these guys. Metallica really helped shape my love for music as a teenager.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

It is the music that's cool. I grew up with vinyl and I don't miss it. All of my music is on my PC, and I can be very creative with playlists and other ways to organize my stuff. If you want vinyl, more power to you. I like having thousands of tracks at my fingertips.

[@jasonmiller8028]

"Disappearing into the music" I love it!

[@djjazzyjeff1232]

8:50 I have that album, can confirm when you put the needle down you hear about 4 seconds of mild static and then Carry On Wayward Son is the first song on the album, and it kicks into that vocal part. Man, doesn't get much better than that.

[@KOLLOQ]

used to love looking through the artwork, and reading the lyrics as I listened to a new album

[@mrkrabappleson]

Sharing music with people is NOT stealing!

[@Apedrape]

Really? Did they just borrow the mp3 and then give it back when they were done listening to it?

[@jamnets13]

Having lived through that time,I recall it being just a little different. People were mad at Lars because in the old,old days,when Metallica was starting out they lived and spread the word by fans trading & selling bootleg copies of their music. Literally in parking lots and back alleys and stuff. The word was spread about Metallica by word of mouth,trading and selling bootleg copies,of their music. So what Lars did was correct,it just seemed greedy,coming from him. A man,whose band gained fame in basically the same way he was now complaining about.

[@musicmitchy4296]

I have been collecting vinyl for so so long.. there is nothing better on this planet then getting a new album, opening it, cleaning it, putting it on, and while you listen you look at the album art, it's...... Magic.......

[@bo-bx5hn]

If it wasn't for free music sharing I might have accidentally bough Lulu. So I think we all owe a thank you to these services.

[@rowhaus5478]

Lulu is their best album

[@CUbanageNT_24]

@@rowhaus5478 you're insane

[@rowhaus5478]

Julian Agregan St. Anger is a close second

[@budgiemcleod4443]

Word!

[@TravisBeckMusic]

Fastest 21 minutes ever! I need to watch this whole sode a few times through I think! I could sit and listen to Joe and James go back and forth all day.

[@darthzyrus]

I was 13 when Puppets came out. It blew my dam mind cause at the same time I had just discovered King Diamond. This was shortly after I got turned onto Motley Crue. It went from Crue to Metallica, King Diamond then Megadeth. I mean I was on metal overload in a matter of 1 year. I went from Phill Collins, Tears for for fears and the 80's rock to this shit in a matter of months. Metal was made for me, it ruled the world and forever was a part of my life. I'm 47 now and still rock out to the 80's metal of them all and for some new stuff. However, sadly, when Metallica came out with the black album, I knew they were over for me. I saw the black album concert in Worcester, MA and it kicked ass. That was the last album I ever listened to in it's entirety. St. Anger was a complete disaster for any Metallica fan. No real solos, drums that sounded like an old cheap 80's keyboard drum set. I will always be an old school die hard metal fan...when it ruled the world.

[@landoakechi9406]

darthzyrus Have you listened to their most recent album?

[@darthzyrus]

@@landoakechi9406 I was nothing special. Moth to a flame was prob the only real good song on the whole album.

[@eva-vs1zu]

When he talked about his kids discovering vinyl... that was so unbelievably cute it brought tears to my eyes

[@HalJikaKick]

"Poor Lars" nothing poor about that guy! LOL

[@TylerSampson51]

See how you feel after being shit on for 20 years for being right, and then we'll talk.

[@sakumisan]

He wasn't right. He just complained. He did not propose solutions.

[@maxsh7982]

How about his drumming?

[@olemanwinter1]

"Would you go up and actually steal it"? Well....If I already bought one and then you told me, "Oh sorry, if you want to use it in a different way on a different day you have to buy another one", I wouldn't hesitate to go up and steal the second one. I never pirated content before the industries started their anti-piracy DMCA stuff that was SO OBTRUSIVE that it caused me to start embracing piracy.

[@KZ-xb8fi]

olemanwinter1 well man. I have the The collection of kiss albums on vinyl , and one time on tape, and now all CD , so yeah I bought them like 3 times.. I actually enjoy having something in my hands and something to look at while actually sitting listening to music, like James says ,sitting in a room just listening.. It's an experience that most people don't do anymore .. If you have never done it, grab a few vinyls and just sit down and listen to them while laying on the floor looking at the album covers, it's awesome.

[@ksytsma4realyo]

Do you own it or are you paying to listen to it? The question they won't answer. Buying the Black album on cassette and twice on CD caused me to DL it. I'm not buying your album again.

[@christofthedead]

Devin Archmere more like "Car companies started leasing cars after I bought one then told me I had to start paying them & I could only drive it on certain roads"

[@djarticuno5720]

What a garbage analogy Devin Archmere

[@jasonmullinder]

The analogies don't work, as long as you have a turntable, tape deck, cd player you can still listen to those formats and the record companies aren't preventing you. If you scratched the hell out of your LPs, became a born-again Christian and burned your "ungodly music", sold the collection to buy pot, it's not their fault

[@propanejesus]

I've never heard Lars be described as "that poor guy" haha

[@NAPT0WNNUISANCE]

press Because you're not listening to people with common sense

[@rocknrolloutlaw7261]

Met James at an airport a couple years back..such a down to earth guy.. we talked for about 10minutes. I don't know if it was because I was shocked that he was actually having a conversation with me or I forgot. But, I didn't get a pic or an autograph. What a cool dude... I know that wont ever happen again,but it's the random shit that happens in life...

[@BruceWayne-zj1kw]

Rock n Roll Outlaw you’re a good man for not asking for a photo or an autograph. he would have refused. he’s real big on real human interactions without being documented like a zoo animal.

[@seanscanlon9067]

I bought more CDs than ever after hearing the music first via Napster and went to my first live music concerts as a result of being prepared to spend my money and get value once I became familiar with and liked the content. The stuff I downloaded to try but did not like I deleted and so would never have bought it anyway.

[@larams2813]

He's starting to look like Johnny Carson.

[@jaym2112]

Apparently a lot of people don't remember the context when this occurred. There was a weird intersection point where the copy protections on CDs were better than the ripping software. Where before (and later after) you could rip songs from CDs you bought and put them on you PC or whatever, afterwards the copy protections aiming to prevent copying and distributing of CDs also prevented you from just ripping your music on your own device or just making CD MIXES. You kids probably don't remember life before digital playlists on iTunes. Typically there are only a couple songs you like on an entire CD. So, you'd try to make CD mixes. Along came the protected CDs and you couldn't do that anymore for some albums. I remember a time where the only way I could make a mix is to download the mp3s and write those. Regarding Metallica specifically, I had purchased over $150 of Metallica music by the time they were going after Napster. A few albums, a box set. A lot of money for me at that age, over time. Living in a world where CDs get scratched, "friends" steal your CDs (or "borrow" them forever), you lose them... I think I bought the black album 3 times. Then comes Napster and I'm thinking, awesome, I can replace some of these -- like you can today for that song you bought for 99 cents if your hard drive died -- just login and download it again. Then came Metallica going after napster... After I spent so much money on their music over time, seeing them going after folks like that... I never spent another dime on them. I'm not saying the Napster thing was right, but honestly, if it had been a struggling band carrying the anti-napster banner, I would have been more sympathetic. I'm not one of these class warfare types, but yeah, there's some bad optics when the million dollar musicians go after a bunch of ramen noodle eating kids. Perhaps that's just me...

[@yugoxgc]

Sure... But would anyone hear about it if it was some little known band rather than METALLICA? I doubt it.

[@p.h.bridegroom4142]

A well-known, big, popular band had to do stuff like that because a small struggling band WOULD NOT be successful at that sort of movement. Sorry you're undisciplined to not store your shit properly and you have shitty friends. Suck to suck. Don't act like this is all about and all for Metallica. I BET if they didn't do it, there would at least be ONE BAND nowadays you lile that would not exist had Napster been allowed to abuse copyrights.

[@Mimi-cq4bg]

We used to tape music for free all the time. All Napster did was make it digital.

[@mr.phil.a]

Yeah but 1 person buys the cd and 1,000,000 copy it. Fair?

[@johndrews206]

Exactly. Its not any different than dubbing a tape back in the day. Thank you beta max ruling

[@fathermcfeely7008]

I used to sit up for hours waiting for a song to play on the radio to record it. I made some pretty great mix tapes back in the late 90's/early 00's.

[@LaraCroft]

so true, when i was s10 i would wait for a cool song to tape, bloody announcers couldnt help but talk into the intro back then ahaha

[@timprescott4634]

Misty Stewart It’s just a little different. 🤦‍♂️

[@Efreeti]

The issue with how record companies and some artist view piracy is that they assume that each download is one lost sale.

[@MyLifeForNerzuL]

While it might not be accurate to say each download is a lost sale, it's not unreasonable to imagine that many downloads are lost sales. But as an argument for or against piracy, that's just semantics. If I walk into a store and take something without paying, saying "I wasn't going to buy this if I couldn't steal it" doesn't make stealing any more justified.

[@Efreeti]

Throwing around fines of hundreds of thousands of dollars, and lobbying for laws that reduce the privacy of everyone on the internet by allowing anyone who claims to represent an intellectual property holder to demand the real name and address behind an IP from that IP's ISP, is also not justified.

[@MyLifeForNerzuL]

Sure, issues with those laws and their execution are not to be ignored, but that's mostly a different argument. And I wasn't suggesting that they deserve hundreds or thousands of dollars per instance of infringement either. I was just arguing that just because the # of downloads may not = the # of lost sales doesn't mean a)that a significant # of them could be b) suddenly those downloads are justified just because somebody isn't willing to pay x price for it.

[@djjazzyjeff1232]

8:47 I have that Kansas album, it used to be my moms and I'm 100% going to do that right now lol.

[@WarofThoughts]

James Hetfield looks like a character from the old Popeye comic strip

[@Lengsel7]

For a while, he had those glasses that made him look like Colonel Sanders.

[@gabrieleriva651]

John Petrus damn, now more than ever I want that canceled Popeye movie from Sony, with James voicing someone.

[@jippyflapthorp9486]

In Metalocalypse he was that hilarious drunken sailor.

[@jokerzwild00]

He looks pretty damn good for a dude his age tbh. I'll be happy just to still be alive by then.

[@asmith3846]

I always thought Bert Lahr. Look him up, kids.

[@postlex]

5:30 - Joe’s talking about Steve Albini’s (Shellac/Big Black) essay.