The WORST Of Tiktok Beauty - Fights With Fenty, Filler Fails And Suspicious Sunscreen

[@JamesWelsh]

I misquoted Dr Michelle Wong! Aka lab muffin. It was NINE passes of a sunscreen stick but that only gets you roughly an SPF of 19. Which is why sunscreen sticks are only recommended for top ups (depending on the UV / outdoor activities etc) and spray sunscreens aren’t much better! Which is why sun cream is the best option always!

[@SaraAshley116]

9 passes is a pass for me lol

[@JamesWelsh]

@@SaraAshley116imagine the greasy shine 😭

[@cmaden78]

Look at you!😂 Breaking down the science of HA for that surgeon✨🖤🤗💙 impressive 🥰

[@laur83]

you also need to actually rub in the sunscreen stick after passing it over your skin. same with a sunscreen spray. which makes them almost pointless 😂 rather use a cream. or use a cream and the other two for reapp.

[@Boooo_39]

Thanks for correcting yourself and letting us know!! This is why I keep coming back to this channel

[@geoxm6384]

I really agree with the woman talking about that most makeup brands don't cater to those who are very dark and so very fair. I still haven't found a foundation that fits my skin tone. It's 2024. It shouldn't be hard to get decent foundation for the very dark and very fair ladies.

[@onimendez7735]

💯 agree!

[@eringallagher6408]

I've had to stop wearing it cause nothing matching my sickly Victorian child skin tone. I just get a concealer that's close ish and hope for the best.

[@felinemoonchild]

@@eringallagher6408 Yep.

[@Floreatmajestus]

Show me your skin

[@laur83]

it’s true. makeup tends to lean super yellow in complexion and only for light to dark complexions, really.

[@vintagearisen]

To me tanning oil is basically like when you put butter on the skin of a chicken you're roasting

[@DiMagnolia]

I just had to comment that your profile pic made me scream laughing 😂

[@Brb13252]

I mean if Jesus Himself tells me theres a difference between skin and crispy chicken, then Hallowed Be Thy Name

[@micheal4388]

Because that’s essentially what it does

[@atheadax]

Your pfp is literally hanging on my wall💀

[@H.A.-zr2wc]

That sun tan app is created by someone who grew up in the 80's and 90's and now looks like an old leather couch.....

[@JamesWelsh]

Omg true 😭

[@sedwards6213]

I’ve seen a few around my locale!

[@laur83]

so terrible. and even had a typo in the first screen. “yiur” instead of your.

[@imran4968]

Lmfaooo

[@Kat-wv8sk]

let alone someone that doesn't know how to check the UV index for the day in the given place they're in.

[@Vonononie]

I haven’t found a foundation for my fair skin. I probably need “Victorian Ghost”. They always have yellow undertones which makes me look like I’m in liver failure

[@onimendez7735]

Same! I think as others have pointed out, it must be the lack of undertones which companies don't seem to research even within the darker skin-tones.

[@geoxm6384]

Exactly! I have pink undertones. Still only had orange foundations even if they they're very fair

[@hanle7870]

The palest shades of Korean foundations/cushions are almost always cool toned I think 🤔

[@Vonononie]

@@geoxm6384 Rimmel have a light slightly pink-toned foundation in their Kind and Free range. I was using it until I saw a picture of me and it really wasn’t working!! I think it’s called Rose Ivory

[@Vonononie]

@@hanle7870 I’ve tried a K-Beauty foundation, it was very light but too beige in undertone. I need to go to a counter and try out a range

[@EirlysMcLachlan]

I hope somebody tells Emily about Kbeauty. I'm not super pale like she is, I'm just fair/light, but I'd only ever found one product in thirty or so years of trying Western/European tinted sunscreens/foundations/whatever that was wearable. But with Kbeauty, I immediately found quite a few products, even tinted sunscreens, that weren't just wearable but actually matched my skin tone and color.

[@geoxm6384]

I've tried looking at k beauty but a lot of their foundations and concealers are quite yellow or orange toned and still come up quite dark.

[@xFolkmore]

I need someone to drop links because even in K beauty everything is either too yellow (even if it is fair enough) or too dark. I also despise anything with just a tone up as it just makes me look pasty af

[@onimendez7735]

​@@xFolkmore Same, all lean yellowish/tan 😒

[@EirlysMcLachlan]

@@xFolkmore I've found Rom&nd's cushion foundations aren't yellow on me at all, and Numbuzin's tinted sunscreen (3? I think it's 3) isn't yellow either. And none of those oxidize on me. I know some people like Missha as well, but I haven't personally tried them.

[@Cherrygirlfriend]

@@geoxm6384 About the foundations,.. I've been looking for the perfect toned foundation these past months as well, so I thought I might share it in case you (or another fellow cool and pale skinned human) would be interested to know what I was able to find! the Shiseido glow serum foundation in the shade 110 alabaster is phenomenal!! the perfect cool tone with zero warmth in it and it gives the skin such a beautiful, porcelain-like glow. It is a very, very light shade so much so that I was a bit unsure at the beginning if it wasn't too white for me! I was baffled. the Maybelline perfect match foundation in the shade 95 is also great although I have to add that it is a cool-neutral shade. and the Dior glow foundation -as well as the matt version in the shade 00 and 00,5 are also amazing! so far, these are the best fitting foundations I have been able to find. (English is not my first language so I apologize for any mistakes) xx

[@mega36262]

When you said “your shade is zinc” I screamed I’m ultra pale and I use zinc sunscreen as foundation 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@JamesWelsh]

Omg 😂😭😭

[@tammystiletto]

Ong slay tho

[@Avovoom]

That's why my sister loves Korean tone up sunscreens 😂 she uses less foundation and concealer, whereas I look like I have some weird veil

[@mack5651]

yess he was so right for that 😭i think most sunscreens ever made (like…any white sunscreen which is most) either fade into or simply match fair skin, no white cast

[@Annalovesautumn]

It's kind of nice that every sunscreen suits your skin tone, considering that you probably need to be applying it constantly more than most people.

[@BlueRoseFaery]

Gonna go scrub my face with a Brillo pad & lemon juice to really challenge it, I want my skin to be thick & opaque when I'm old, like a whole face callus. Wish me luck

[@omegasobsessions]

Lmao

[@Jennifer-fe2ff]

"A whole face callus" I'm gone 😂😂😂😂😂

[@DiMagnolia]

😂

[@ellieisbusy]

Thanks for the laugh, nearly woke my husband up watching this at 5h30 😂 (this insomniac is amused)

[@user-rq6tw4zp4w]

😂

[@caitlinwhatthefrick2361]

“Get a tan without sun damage” is an oxymoron lmao

[@fantabulous6657]

I went to a surgeon and say I wanted a nose job. He refused to do so saying you have the perfect nose and I don’t know how it can be any better. Looking back I was just so insecure and so glad I went to the right doctor!

[@originofsky]

I LOVE plastic surgeons who knows when to tell their clients NO. especially with all the body dysmorphia and extreme plastic surgery these days? we need more like your doctor.

[@cicischannel123-m1i]

As a dermatologist, I can assure you that plastic surgeons do not know much about skin! My close friend is a plastic surgeon and the extent of his dermatology knowledge was a short rotation during his third year of medical school. It would be similar to me giving advice about a nose job as a derm.

[@lipstickzombie4981]

There's a reason why many of our Plastic and reconstructive surgeons have a dermatologist in their team. Skin varies from person to person. The kinda funny but sad thing I noticed with some of the patients I encountered is they're angry why their surgeon isn't a one stop shop for their skin healing and doesn't want to have another doc dealing with their skin.😞

[@cicischannel123-m1i]

@@lipstickzombie4981 Omg so true! There's a reason why there are specialties!

[@maryeckel9682]

Exactly!

[@toniprekker]

That tanning app is insane! My mom is a 19-year melanoma survivor. My dad just had melanoma surgery last week. We've all three had many, many "pre-cancerous moles" , "atypical" moles, and carcinomas removed. My great grandfather died of melanoma. It's NOT something to mess around with.

[@mirandacoulter888]

My mom lost a cousin to melanoma. He was 17. Realized something was wrong and had it removed from his face a year or so prior, but they didn’t realize they missed some until after it had reached his brain. Her family is much like yours. Her father, grandmother, a couple of siblings, and numerous aunts/uncles/cousins have all had melanomas. Those who haven’t have still had other cancers, pre-cancers, and worrisome spots removed and are all regular guests at their local dermatologists. My siblings and I all have regular skin-mapping done because we’ve seen first hand how quickly a simple spot can turn bad.

[@PucaFlea]

I know two people, maybe a year or two older than me, so they’re 31/32. They use those nasal sprays and tanning beds. Crazy dangerous even without the nasal sprays. Those things are unregulated and they have no idea of the long terms effects

[@tc7909]

I think we need to link lab muffin science to that plastic surgeon. Also now toxic gym culture has come to skin care?! Challenge my skin?😂😂😂

[@julsdemers4740]

im so sorry for your entire family having to deal with that history of cancer, hopefully you dont fall prey to it either ❤

[@dripdrip08]

The plastic surgeon one annoyed me so much... he clearly has no clue what he's on about. Since when does over moisturising lead to thin skin...

[@sunflower_marie4808]

I fiel kinda weird when they giving advice on skincare, i get that they work with skin but their expertise is more towards the operations I think However they should be on the level with dermatologists and stop with bull like the guy in the video His speech about training has the same vibe with oily hair that doesn't work - there was a misconception that hair and skin can adapt if you wait and wash it rarer so it doesn't trigger oil production as much It doesn't work😂

[@tokyoyoongi5538]

Right? My face starts to look old/thin when I don't moisturise for one day. Moisturiser is key for plump and youthful skin. I think he's trying to get more clients for plastic surgery by spreading misinformation.

[@thebeaside]

Right and like talking about old ladies with thin skin, like he’s just describing aging, your skin thins as you age?!?! Their skin looks thin because they’re old not because of moistriser. Jesus let people age in peace.

[@justilou1]

@@dripdrip08 His comments about old women were just creepy/misogynistic and so devoid of empathy & reality you have to wonder who the hell his clients are! (*pictures alien-looking non-biodegradable people haunting eternal youth conferences)

[@tazmynjordan8375]

There’s been a couple of videos he’s done when I’ve thought surely that’s not correct 🫣

[@PucaFlea]

Irish people are some of the palest on the planet. I myself am translucent I’m so pale. Irish make up brands don’t even go pale enough for their own natural skin tones. Fake tan has ruined make up. Everything skews orange. Erin Parsons is much more knowledgeable than me and she says it too. All the old Mac favourites, such as 90’s spice lipliner were actually neutral or cool toned. I can’t buy drug store foundation going by online descriptions, got a Maybelline foundation that said Neutral. It’s so orange. I have to add so much blue mixer. For the love of all that is holy… make things actually cool toned and neutral please! I beg

[@themischief420]

i will say sooooo many Irish people in general don't seem to understand pink undertones in foundation. everyone goes for yellow undertones even when it literally doesn't and can't match their skin tone.

[@PucaFlea]

@@themischief420 Most Irish girls are orange with fake tan and our shops don’t carry light enough shades half the time. Plus people still believe yellow will minimise redness too

[@transuranicelements1335]

So opposite of Asians where they will use very light colored makeup (several shades lighter than their actual skin sometimes). Try buying Japanese or Korean (or Taiwanese) CC creams or better yet their "tone-up" sunscreens. They really are meant for pale, very pale people and great for redness.

[@PucaFlea]

@@transuranicelements1335 Yup and you'll get the make up counter girls doing two shades darker to "warm you up". I've already got Korean foundations and the Haus Labs foundation that was made in Korea. Just to add Korean contours, blushes and lipsticks to my collection next

[@xFolkmore]

10:11 Honestly as someone with very fair cool toned skin, there’s always been a big discrepancy in the fairer shades too, very similar to that of people with darker skin and even just people with olive undertones. For me, they’re all either too yellow or too dark. Some are even unnaturally pink. I’ve recently been searching for a new foundation that doesn’t look too beige on me with the finish I want and I’ve found next to none I’m satisfied with. Speaking on just the foundation issue, not accounting for anything else, there’s definitely a problem and she has a very valid point. This is not nearly my biggest problem in life but it’s definitely frustrating. Fenty is also not the best example imo, it has always run yellow in all their shades which is pretty well known.

[@onimendez7735]

Exactly! Spot on, she does have a valid point.

[@sazzlepopz1553]

Yeah fellow cool pale girl here 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 it is a problem. OK maybe not the worst thing in the world but it's costly and embarrassing and frustrating. Gutted Nicola didn't do well.

[@MrsWhateverrest]

As someone who lands somewhere between translucent-chalk and I-can't-believe-it's-not-albino I've found a very good match with bobbi brown, so if you're still searching (and have the money to spare..) I'd recommend giving that a shot. :)

[@xAlicia21]

I agree! Although I have found the concealers to be a good shade for me. But it's not a HUGE issue for us pale white skinned women to find our perfect shade, however it would be good for brands to not make everything orangey when we wear it.

[@eligreene2898]

As a pale olive toned girlie I agree, I also hate when people tell me to “just use neutral” I can’t I’m pale and it looks yellow on me. I just don’t get foundations that have a lot of coverage the best I get is maybe a medium if it claims to be olive undertoned.

[@jesse1001]

Most of us ghost people have a similar undertone so I just don’t know why every fair shade is so yellow.

[@irrelevancyiskey9992]

funnily enough, i'm one of the few people with an extremely yellow undertone and deathly pale look and theyre still not right for me, they they actually look orange on my skin rather than yellow. i genuinely do not know where they are getting their data from in terms of shades... these days i just use concealer and yellow powder to set it

[@dqverify6797]

Right? Who are these women they’re making these shades for? Marge Simpson? I tried one (I think it was Too Faced) that had such a strong yellow-y undertone that it literally looked like I’d been smearing peanut butter and banana mash all over my face.

[@roseduste80]

@@irrelevancyiskey9992 I am also very pale with yellow undertones and most palest shades look sickly beige on me. I have only found 2 that match; Nars Siberia and Cover FX G10. Cover FX are good because they have a pink, neutral and gold undertoned variant for every tone along their scale.

[@EmL-kg5gn]

Like the other person who replied, I’m ghostly with a yellow undertone and they don’t suit me either! Usually I can only find pink which is too cool or peach for warm undertones, both have too much red in them. The red in the makeup plus the yellow in my skin makes orange

[@ChristinePacinda]

When I first listened to "her" claims that Fenty wasn't inclusive of super pale people, I agreed with her, but then I listened to your position and you changed my mind. Your argument is purely logical and now I agree. Thank you for using calm, clear logic.

[@cherrytree2165]

Fenty was 1000% the wrong company to criticize for it. They specialize in deep shades. Someone like Tart not having the right shades? That's incredibly fair, Tart is like the whitest makeup brand I could think of.

[@Erin-xq3jb]

You put it so well about the Fenty sunscreen issue - took all of the words out of my mouth as a very very pale ginger. I really relate to her feelings and logic, but I think she heard “tinted sunscreen” and thought it was similar to BB cream with SPF when really the pigment is to hide the sunscreen, not even out her skin. It sounds like all they had to do is sell the original sunscreen in the same listing and mark it as for pale skin for her to have been happy.

[@EmpressInner-G936]

Right ! For HER to be happy 🤦🏾‍♀️😤😮‍💨👍🏾

[@Erin-xq3jb]

@@EmpressInner-G936right? Especially in combination with the what about me ism of it all

[@EmpressInner-G936]

@@Erin-xq3jb 😤 🤦🏾‍♀️ yeah sorry but those fake tears (theoretical) did not move me. Like you said “what about meee 👼🏻🤱🏻” aspect of it all. Girl , she had me rolling my eyes like are you serious right now?🤨🫤😤🙇🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️

[@dodgek5270]

Try korean, Japanese and chinese skincare or makeup. They love pale skin. You'll find your shade in their market.

[@emixze]

this makes sense, thank you for explaining it this way

[@adrianakoeneke2911]

I believe Lab Muffin concluded that there’s no way to really get the advertised SPF from sunscreen sticks. She also did a video on the sprays which basically concluded the same thing, unfortunately.

[@JamesWelsh]

I believe the outcome was 4 passes of a sunscreen stick no? Maybe I saw that in other content of hers! 🧐 and only for top ups! *edit - no I got this totally wrong! 9 passes but still a low SPF!

[@sophiehobley828]

​@JamesWelsh I've been watching her content out-of-order and in older videos she mentions sunscreen sticks and sprays especially for reapplication. So you easily could have seen something older saying something different

[@-Ghostess]

That's frustrating because I can only use the sunbum babies spray sunscreen because of a really nasty acrylate copolymer allergy (I've had my whole arm swell and bruise from a bandaid, and had to go to the hospital for a make up sealer that was too close to my throat mimicking anaphylaxis before)

[@messthetic7073]

​@@-Ghostessyou can probably spray it into your hand to get a good amount in there and then spread it around ur body like a cream

[@JP-ry7zx]

"her shade is zinc oxide" I'm dying 😂😂

[@JamesWelsh]

😭😭😭

[@minohki]

I used to also be zinc oxide with a cool/neutral undertone. lol. Asian foundations tend to match me best in winter.

[@onimendez7735]

Yes 😂 true. I don't wear foundation/skin tints. Mineral sunscreens 365 days a year. Skin cancer is no joke! BTW That, tanning app is horrid.

[@bossladykey2]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@melissacoviello2886]

I cackled 😂

[@zellynmermaid9326]

Fenty is actually the only liquid foundation I’ve ever been able to wear as a pale ginger person. I can wear their lightest shade in their medium coverage foundation (the full coverage one is still too dark). I have similar issues with finding brown mascaras, or ginger passing eyebrow products. I do wish that I could find more products that work with my coloring. But one thing that’s great is I can use zinc sunscreen and it just makes me glow a little brighter than usual.

[@tanyapoe5490]

That tanning app horrifies me. Given everything we know now about skin damage/skin cancer I'm actually appalled by what that thing is encouraging. I'm two shades darker than transparent and tanning isn't even an option.

[@candacebarlow9296]

My father in law died from melanoma. Too many people think skin cancer can just be "taken off" by a dermatologist and isn't a real danger

[@tanyapoe5490]

@@candacebarlow9296 all the proof we need that there are far too many idiots in the world.

[@BleachedBlackSocks]

I feel you there. I'm on phototoxic medication, plus I use ahas and retinol (not in the same routine) so the sun will not be fun. I once had a sunburn complication known as "hells itch" and it was so terrible that I had to take sleeping pills 24/7 until it healed.

[@BleachedBlackSocks]

luckily noone I know has had melanoma. other than my cat, who had diffuse iris melanoma and now only has one eye

[@raebradt]

Being super pale with acne to cover up was an absolute mess growing up. Getting matched at sephora for foundation: I literally asked for the lightest shade they had in the products I was trying. Even tried different undertones and it was always yellow, orange or just too dark on me aka umpa lumpa. Asian foundations is where it is at for us pale girlie's who don't fake tan.

[@RuthDeane]

As a super pale person it’s only been in the last few years I’ve been able to find foundations and concealers that are actually the right shade for me. But they are out there! However I do find that any sort of tinted serums, moisturiser, etc. are too dark and/or orange, so I just don’t use them. Nothing wrong with the non tinted versions 🙂 I’m pleased that brands like Fenty are catering to darker skin tones, as any good make up brand should. I’m old enough to remember my friends from school and college being endlessly frustrated at not being able to find anything for their brown or black skin, so we were kind of in the same boat lol, just at opposite ends of the shade range!

[@JamesWelsh]

Would you mind sharing some brands that you use that cater for your skin tone please? Just for future reference 😅

[@Cherrygirlfriend]

I know I wasn't the one being asked lol (but it prob doesn't do any harm to share the few brands I was able to find which cater to my very pale and cool toned skin) so I am just going to put it out here: Shiseido with their lightest shade 110 alabaster, the Maybelline matt foundation in their lightest shade 95 as well as the Dior foundations obviously (😭) also in their two lightest shades 00 & 00.5! so far these have been the best ones I was able to find and try!

[@RuthDeane]

@@JamesWelsh Of course I will 🙂 Maybelline is a good drugstore brand for this, the 4 in 1 glow perfector in shade 00 is perfect for my skin tone. I also like Laura Geller balance and brighten mineral powder foundation in porcelain. I recently bought the TirTir cushion foundation in the palest shade for when I want full coverage, and that with a very light dusting of the Laura Geller over the top looks great and makes my skin look amazing! I’m ridiculously flattered you asked my opinion lol, much love to you and Robert - between you, you’ve really improved my skin and makeup 💜💜💜

[@liz6367]

​@@CherrygirlfriendI'm adding YSL to the list :) although I'm currently a 0N Dior girlie

[@rubymcclain2124]

Also John Maclean used to do reviews on lightest shades from brands I still go back and check the reviews for new brands on occasion I don’t think he’s done any recent ones tho

[@jaqsre]

i think it’s totally okay to want to be included when talking about foundation etc despite being white, but i don’t like her tone. it feels very aggressive? idk what word to use. i’m also very fair and i notice not every brand have something for me and that’s just how it is. i am still able to find things with so many other brands. that is NOT the reality for black people. there are, from what i know, not any brands that aren’t focused on black skin that works for almost everyone with darker complexion, yet i will still be catered to by that brand as well. that is not how non black owned businesses work.

[@JamesWelsh]

Yeah I was going to say but I didn’t want to invalidate her point just because of her tone 😅

[@Boooo_39]

I have light skin with olive undertones Like, I wish that some brands catered to my undertone more, but I'm not going to target a Black owned brand and say, "Why isn't there anything for me, specifically." Especially when this brand grew because a lot of Black women finally had a shade that was within their coloring. And Fenty is huge, they don't need me defending them, but it feels like such a disingenuous argument.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

Her tone comes off as very fed up and tired to me. Like she is just beyond exasperated. But Im also an Afrikaner and our casual easy going tone comes off as very aggressive to non South Africans so- uh yea

[@SaraAshley116]

When that surgeon came on, I got violent, James. Violent. Lol 😂

[@EmpressInner-G936]

lol you can see it in his face when he thought the same thing 😅🩷

[@ckind2098]

I don't wear makeup, but I can understand being frustrated that many foundation lines don't match your skintone very well. But tinted sunscreen? You're really complaining that you can't find pale enough sunscreen? Girl what

[@lavendyrchi]

Sunscreen that FAMOUSLY is VERY WHITE 💀

[@minohki]

“A polite stranger” 😂 do we have those in Florida?

[@Floreatmajestus]

Excuse me

[@minohki]

@@Floreatmajestus are you a polite stranger in Florida? 😯

[@momonomay3011]

ask mr florida man i’m sure he’d be happy to help!

[@minohki]

@@momonomay3011 That’s what I’m afraid of! 😂😂😂😂

[@bayprkr526]

Absolutely not 😂 and if they seem nice there's a good chance they're a creep or you get stuck in a conversation that you don't really want to be apart of

[@Tanu-Chhabra-2S]

Add fresh fruits and greens into your diet to nourish your skin from the inside out. Apply sunscreen before stepping outside. The sunscreen that offers me the right protection is littlellextra rice berry sunscreen. It includes black rice water and vitamin C that helps keep skin moisturized and adds a nice glow. Also, be sure to always cleanse your face before sleeping to stop pore blockage and breakouts.

[@AnikaBloom34]

I recall a friend suggested riceberry sunscreen to me over the summer, and I got it right away. I’ve been applying it since then, and I’ve really loved it! I have combination skin. I’ve even had my mom start using it. It gives such a good finish. I’ve also tried the Requil one, but I’m not sure why I don’t like how it just sits on the top of my face. So, riceberry all the way.

[@thesunlightpearl8263]

From what I have heard the general consensus is that cream based sunscreens are a lot better for you that roll ons, especially for the face

[@JamesWelsh]

Yeahhhhh I’ll always just do cream tbh. Sticks for light touch ups if I’m not out too long!

[@thesunlightpearl8263]

@@JamesWelsh oh ofc totally makes sense! I personally don’t have a lot of experience with roll ons but totally get that

[@Abunchofnihondogs]

Ngl kinda happy someone called out that very pale girls also struggle with finding the right shade. Honestly, I just think that companies are trying to reach to the majority of the population which is a light to medium color. It has a lot to do with money, it cost a lot of money to produce a product and when a small percentage of the population is very dark or very light there is less attention there. They also take into account their customer demographics. Which is why you don’t see very many options for super pale or super dark.

[@onimendez7735]

These companies could care less about creating products that suit both very fair or darker skin tones.

[@JamesWelsh]

Yeah I agree that every skin tone should be catered for! It does make me wonder why the makeup brands that launched specifically for the lightest of skin tones, never last 🧐

[@Abunchofnihondogs]

@@JamesWelsh nevermind that i am melting that you responded to me 😭🙏 yes they dont! Friend of mine uses literally white foundation added to her current lightest shade and even the undertone is still off lol

[@Abunchofnihondogs]

@@onimendez7735 they do not! Its about profit and what sells the most

[@EmThatGoth]

As someone who's complexion is literally paper, I get her frustrations on finding out the lightest shade is too orange or dark but I know to keep my mouth shut and just try to find a different brand. I know it is not my place to complain about shades when I'm a part of the privelaged side of the industry. After doing some digging there will always be a brand that suits your tone if you're pale, I can imagine it's much harder if you're in the darker of skin tone range.

[@xg2513]

2:46 this is so upsetting 😭 why not just buy a few different self tanner shades and use that??? All sun damage is bad, all sun damage can be dangerous.

[@KarenBirney]

As a red haired pale almost transparent women I’m yet to find a foundation to match my skin tone either and iv honestly just given up and don’t wear foundation now as a result, more inclusion needed for every skin tone needed in cosmetics x

[@ti9372]

I'm really pale and I get her struggle with finding your shade, all the foundations I had managed to find got discontinued and even korean brands are too dark for me. But her whole argument falls apart for a product like that, I think she got a whole different idea from the marketing but should've still looked more into it before making that video. It's not that big of a deal to not have a good shade match with foundation, you can definitely find a concealer light enough

[@JamesWelsh]

Yeah this is exactly it. It irked me how she was suggesting her shade wasn’t included, like she was the after thought when in fact, with this particular product, she is the default. But I 100% agree with her that everyone shoukd be catered for

[@ti9372]

@@JamesWelsh yeah I always joke I have the privilege of using things that leave a white cast without problem, but in this situation she should've actually thought about that privilege

[@sarawhite812]

A stranger, touch me?? Woah woah woah, I don't even like my family touching me! I may need to invent a machine to do this effectively. I would make serious bank! 😂😂😂

[@JamesWelsh]

Looool maybe I’m a little too friendly

[@sarawhite812]

​@@JamesWelshyou definitely are... my face is very good at letting people know not to come too close 😂

[@dudie5403]

You need the Bondi Sands back applicator. No asking strangers, your mother or whatever anymore😆

[@elif6908]

There’s an applicator called Backslap and the maker is an Australian who lost a family member to skin cancer so takes the efficacy of the applicator very seriously.

[@lexaprofessional]

“challenge your skin?” my face isn’t an mma fight LOL

[@ciaraj1887]

So true about when you find a person that says no, they’re keepers. I was told no for more Botox and no to fillers 😅 I was annoyed at first and then became very thankful.

[@nicolabaker4391]

Get a stranger to appky your Sunscreen !, That sounds like the storyline for a lot of dodgy films.

[@M.Hissim]

I literally use Haus Lab foundation in shade 000 which is literally white and it matches me fairly well and I tone it out a bit with blush and bronzer but I was actually able to find a shade that matches me. Someone who is very very deep compared to me may never actually find a shade that matches regardless of the many many make up brands out there. Even though I am extremely pale and it took my years to find something that matches, it doesn’t compare to how the black community is severely undermined in the makeup community.

[@ellieisbusy]

I don’t think James got that lady’s point - she’s mad at the brand for claiming it’s for *every* skin tone under the sun (see what I did there?) and failing. And yes, I don’t get how darker skin tones can still be ignored in 2024, do your jobs, makeup companies!

[@mangostereo]

@@ellieisbusyBut fenty didn’t fail, as James pointed out they do make a sunscreen for her shade. The original mineral sunscreen that actually came out before the tinted sunscreen. She was literally catered to before the darker shades were even released

[@ellieisbusy]

@@mangostereo oh, maybe I missed that. Thanks!

[@dragonquestV]

My granddad has had an ear fully removed because of skin cancer (he was a farmer back when tractors had no roof) I cannot believe people STILL tan themselves it's ridiculous

[@adafihj6439]

The tinted sunscreen lady. Why is she calling out Fenty specifically and not everyone else. Yes Fenty talks about inclusion but the others caters for fairer complexions, so her gripe is with them first

[@omegasobsessions]

She covered that in first video, fenty is advertised as “all shades” and is nearly only brand that makes a shade light enough for her in foundation. So, saying everyone has a shade that works when she doesn’t is her issue.

[@jessdolle4479]

I think her thing against Fenty is that they say they’re all inclusive and really market to being diverse and other brands don’t claim to be “for everyone”

[@1917yee]

if you advertise yourself as inclusive then yeah it's disappointing to not be included

[@adafihj6439]

But it's impossible to include absolutely everyone. that's the thing like James said her shade given her complexion is the original. In this case she doesn't need the tinted option because she's already catered too. It's literally a false equivalence

[@jessdolle4479]

@@adafihj6439 You asked why she targeted Fenty first, that’s why. I’m not saying her argument is valid or not 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Pinky.Fuchsia]

I have gotten so serious about SPF. I used to not even give it a second thought, but now it’s a vital part of my routine.

[@kulotizta07]

LOVE all the knowledge and depth that went into this commentary. As always, your research and content on various beauty industry topics are informative, refreshing, and thought-provoking. I'm a silent follower and consumer of your videos but I started my skincare journey 2 years ago because of you and had better skin ever since! Content from you, especially your long forms, is always worth watching. Thank you, James! 🥰

[@kikijp6411]

7:26 I have the exact same issue with finding my paleness in a bottle, so I’ve never really been able to confidently wear any foundation.

[@darkydoom]

Yeah, foundation colours are still lacking in extremely dark, extremely pale, aaaaaand olive, specifically pale olive. It has been a struggle, almost impossible to find my skin tone because my undertone is green :-)

[@hexabellezarco]

I'm pale olive and I have this same problem!

[@strawberryinsomnia9188]

I’m light olive and still have this problem-if a brand has anything truly olive, they start at light medium or medium and even with a tan I just can’t pull them off. It’s genuinely frustrating!

[@darkydoom]

@@strawberryinsomnia9188 and then when I went to MAC which is meant to be BESTEST they offered me "golden". And I'm like bitch, I ain't yellow toned, I said olive, as in green. And also, there's different types of olive, the more yellow leaning one, or the blue leaning one, warm or cool. So I'm neutral to cool blue olive. In winter I'm LIGHT and summer I can light-medium possibly medium. So, I've found neutral peach foundations work and I can tweak with green correction fluid, or the bronzer I use, or get the lightest olive version and then mix with something else. Auric skin tint in pyrite is perfect, but I can only wear it alone in summer, otherwise mix. Haus Labs N14 is my go to and I can mix that with their white foundation to make it more pale at my most winter shade. Or mix the Auric with the white haus labs. Also the concealer in 11 because it has a touch of peach it neutralises bags under my eyes and then a nice setting powder to even it all out

[@pensivecircles]

I tan so easily - like one hour in the sun and I'm 2 shades darker 😭 But recently someone called me pale and i was so excited 😂 Like good! It means I've been on top of my sun protection

[@DiMagnolia]

I understand why the yt woman is upset about not finding her shade, I am a light to medium but struggle to find the right undertone. Why doesn’t she demand that from brands that historically cater to yt people and are yt owned?? That’s the majority of brands?? I understand Fenty’s whole thing is they try to cater to all skin tones but obviously as a black owned brand trying to fill a gap in the market for black people, they’re going to mainly cater to black people. I don’t see why any of us yt folks would be mad about that??

[@LiterallyJustAnActualPotato]

I’m half black, but I have a very pale and neutral skin tone. If a brand uses “inclusivity” for marketing/profit, it’s fair to criticize them if they’re not being inclusive.

[@sadiesmith2475]

I think it's the fact that they state on their website that all of their products cater to "all skin types and tones," and that is not necessarily true. That is false marketing. These products are then marketed at everyone, yet they don't offer a very light shade for people with pale skin, so then the brand is actually for medium to dark skin tones.

[@aliceinbetween9408]

I get your argument about these tinted sunscreens are made for people that aren’t her, because she can use a “normal” sunscreen, I don’t dispute that but I get her argument that the marketing says “ALL skin tones”, it’s basically a failing of their marketing. I think it would be great if they marketed more towards the skin tones that have been excluded and focused on that rather than saying “we’re inclusive for all, everyone can find a shade for them!” because then you will get people like this woman who can’t find her shade and then feels like this claim is untrue. I don’t disagree I just see her point of view with the marketing x

[@KindnessInChaos]

Isn’t that tanning app just asking for a class action lawsuit? 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@tokyoyoongi5538]

Definitely. I can already see the creator getting seriously sued because people are actually trusting that app to not get cancer. 😬

[@charlotte7268]

I’ll tell you right now as a very pale girl, I think I’ve found one tinted sunscreen that is light enough for me and zinc oxide sunscreens make me look like a ghost. Just because I don’t have darker skin doesn’t mean I shouldn’t get a shade of sunscreen to match me! wtf? How about we cater to ALL skin tones? Only catering to some is not being “inclusive”.

[@omegasobsessions]

As someone with light to medium olive undertone I have the eternal struggle finding complexion products that don’t look orange, yellow or pink on me. I gave up and bought a blue colorant that I add to things that are “close ish” but cannot use powder foundations or sticks because of that. Good times. I want to win lotto so I can start a brand called Olive Us or something and do all olive undertones as some are warm, some cool, some neutral and different “depths” of our olive flavoring. It shouldn’t be so damn difficult to do my base.

[@itscc2004]

As another olive toned girly, I absolutely love that idea! I’m pale but have olive undertones (I’m actually the palest in my family) and finding a foundation that isn’t orange or too yellow to where I look jaundiced is such a battle

[@alyssaburrell9866]

As someone who is very pale, the woman around 10:00 I do get the struggle. But one brand I do love that has my exact match is Haus labs, and another one surprisingly is the new elf satin foundation. But Haus labs has a bigger selection than elf but it’s still nice to see when everyone gets included. Yes like her I agree, black women have had way harder times trying to find makeup for them and I applaud anyone who’s able to come up with great shades for them to. But at the same time i see them use it, I wanna try the same brand to but everything’s to orange. I think both sides of color see the same issues just in different ways when it comes to foundation.

[@Perstephonie]

I stumbled upon your channel a few days ago and I've been obsessed! I love how you always tackle things with objectiveness and logic. That's pretty hard to come by nowadays. Thanks for making these videos! I watch them while I do my skincare at night or while working lol. Much love!

[@LauraLVTGW]

As a very pale olive woman of Italian decent, I agree. Finding foundation is extremely difficult, I have been mixing foundations for 40 years. Finally, I have found some foundations that work, mostly from Korean beauty brands. You would think Italian brands would work, but no, super light olive is very hard to find. Many blessings to all who struggle!!!💖💖💖

[@linda_cr]

May i ask which one you currently use? I still find some quite pink or yellow

[@LauraLVTGW]

@@linda_cr Misha BB cream is very good to mix with other foundations as it's more gray and in turn desaturates the yellow or pink and makes them more neutral. About Face came out with actual olive foundations. I mix two of them, I think its F2 and L1.

[@linda_cr]

@@LauraLVTGW thank you very much! 😊

[@aliciagjb4ev]

It's so wild that she CHOSE to go in on a BLACK WOMAN OWNED BRAND. It is inclusive yes, it was made to fill a deficit for darker skin tones. Rather than going after Fenty, she should focus her energy on the HUNDREDS, if not thousands, of other makeup brands that have been made with her audience in mind. There are products out there for her, she just needs to be willing to dig and SCOUR as those with darker skin tones have for decades. Carry the same energy for the brands that prioritize whiter skin tones.

[@TheBwil32]

Exactly!! I was rolling my eyes at this lady. She chose Fenty, but there are other brands who claim to be all inclusive that are white owned companies! Why didn’t she go in on them? Oh wait, we know why! Gtfoh

[@thriftstorepierrotdoll9851]

did you not hear the part where she said fenty is the only brand that makes foundation light enough for her? it’s inclusive both ways, so it makes sense she’d be disappointed when that pattern doesn’t continue. unsure as to why a brand being owned by a black woman should make it immune to criticism

[@queenbey6678]

Yeah that was clearly deliberate. She's pathetically transparent.

[@YukaAkemi]

I agree , u explained why she annoyed the hell outta me

[@LaurenYatesPonytailJournal]

Omg her sense of entitlement is suffocating. Just buy Japanese foundation.

[@nat9527]

There genuinely are reasons to have super light shades, asides from people being naturally pasty. I follow a girl on KZbin named Oceanne who has albinism and has a very difficult time finding complexion products that work for her. It's not even close to being the same thing as racism in the beauty industry but its still something that affects people. There really just needs to be a full spectrum of shades, why is this so difficult 😭

[@solabis]

There already is in this instance tho lol like james said, the untinted one 🤦

[@39piona]

@@solabisThe point of tinted sunscreen is to even out skin tone though, pale people often have redness peek through so I understand why they would want tinted sunscreen as an option too

[@aliciaaaaaaaa200]

@@39pionaThis were colour correction is more useful cause tinted sun creams are just meant to light layer of colour to even out whiteness of sunscreen. Colour correction is probably your best bet

[@nat9527]

@@solabis I'm talking more so about concealers and foundations. This lady was being kinda wild but it is an actual issue for certain people.

[@transuranicelements1335]

I use "tone-up" sunscreen fr Japan (Biore). Koreans and Taiwanese skincare has this too. It's color correction and is like a tint for my pale skin. Some have lavender or pink rings (very white still) it offset yellow (a lot of Asians apparently like the rosy/pink tone of skin) and green to help with redness. If you try watching K-drama, you'll notice that the actors/actresses have very paler and cool-toned faces compared to their (still very pale body skin).

[@Sparklez90]

You explained everything sooo well. You are so genuine and enjoyable!

[@Lanasmelodies]

I was so quick to believe the shitty doctor in his scrubs talking about skin. I have very bad eczema and I got really worried because I need to moisturise a lot and I just wanted to thank you for the reality check and reassurance ❤

[@JamesWelsh]

I don’t blame you for believing him! You’d think these Dr’s by default are correct because of their education. It’s just not always easy to know what their education covers when it comes to these things

[@AS333xo]

Hey fellow eczema girly! I’ve been using Garnier Hyaluronic Aloe Serum, Dior Prestige La Lotion Essence De Rose, topped with Charlotte Tilbury moisturiser mixed with Vieve Skin Nova - which has made my skin so much better since using and gives that healthy glow when eczema makes u look rather lifeless. I still have the odd outbreak with stress etc, but I can’t believe how much my skin has improved since using these. I hope some of these can help and wish u luck on your skin journey 🤍

[@hannahl1477]

I completely understand your argument about how the woman's sunscreen shade is the un-tinted OG version, but then at that point I think Fenty would do well to remove the lightest foundation shades from the Shade 1 lineup. I am very fair-skinned and the eaze drop shade 1 is my go-to foundation for everyday makeup, but I swatched the sunscreen that *should* fit my shade and it was far too yellow and warm. If shade 1 for the sunscreen was marketed as fitting eaze drop shades 2-4 instead of including 1 as well, then I think the argument of "her shade is un-tinted" would hold up better, in my opinion. Fenty does still hold the accountability for suggesting that the sunscreen shade 1 can fit the palest of the pale, when it cannot.

[@ellenkarlsson9490]

Lush had a DIY foundation where you bought a white base, an undertone (pink or yellow) and dark and light pigments to mix your own perfect shade. I don't understand why not more brands have done this. An idea would be to use an app to tell you your shade and generate a recipe for mixing your own personal foundation. It would be more environmentally friendly as the company doesn't have to make as many products.

[@seanmari]

Just finished your Glossier and Tatcha video - went back to your channel for more and I’M BLESSED WITH THIS NEW VIDEO POSTED FROM AN HOUR AGO?! You’re absolutely brilliant

[@sabrinaaubin2191]

Yes, as pale girlies, we want a tinted sunscreen. We might like a little coverage within a sunscreen formula too for acne or scars… Plus the paler the more risk of cancer. Doesn’t need to be a mineral formula, they are all too dark for me.

[@madelynnk9727]

I have a friend with albinism who struggles a lot with finding shades light enough for her skin.

[@DestroyAllWarnings]

I hate to disagree with your statement that simply being pale enough for non-tinted mineral sunscreen means tinted sun screens aren’t for fair skinned people. The more I think about it - it’s a bad argument. Non tinted Zinc sunscreens don’t work for multiple reasons - they are still visible over my pink cheeks AND in photos in direct light/flash. While they may not be AS visible in most lighting conditions when viewed with a naked eye, a close look will make it apparent that something is off because it tends to cast a bit grey/off-tone to a hue noy typically seen as particularly healthy-looking. Super pale does not equal paper white, after all - there are undertones and off-casting that you are either not accounting for, or intentionally overlooking. On the other hand, I no longer have patience for western brands, and luckily have the entirety of the Korean market available to me these days, so it’s not like I’m entirely lacking selection.

[@amyneal1000]

10:43 I get this woman’s point as a fellow very pale girl, I use a tinted moisturiser as I find I can blend it in a bit better but I also use Estée Lauder for my foundation if I’m going to wear it and I find they have lots of undertones and options! ❤

[@fridagertsdotter9194]

As a very pale woman myself, there ARE other brands that have very pale shades. Ofc I can't compare mine to hers exactly. But I do not tan, have never tanned and I just turn red basically lol. Idk what brands she's tested, but there are A LOT of brands with extremely pale shades, like almost white white. Isadora being one of them.

[@d.oooooo]

Love Isadora. Only brand I use lol.

[@aslibsra]

But that’s her point… why does Fenty market as for all women and skin tones if they are not going to include pink fair skin tones?

[@Hysteriette]

​​@@aslibsra fenty is not the place she should look, Fenty obviously has another proposal for inclusivity. She should simply look for another brand.

[@mariesikk]

IMO the issue with the fenty product is that the marketing depicts it working for the lightest part of Fentys foundation shade range, and that is demonstrably not true. You can still disagree with her on the basis that she has other options, but she is not wrong about the inaccurate marketing.

[@mariesikk]

I also felt it was not necessary to joke about her skin tone. She was taking the topic seriously, and James was too for a time, but then to say “her shade is zinc” was crass and took away from what was otherwise a conscientious discussion.

[@JamesWelsh]

It’s not that she has other options, it’s just that this example was a poor example and example where she was catered for as the default. But yeah, everyone should be able to find a shade match!

[@bobbiemc7875]

The girl talking about pale foundations, I get her point, as a pale girl is a struggle! HOWEVER we can pick our undertone and use white to lighten, people with dark skin cannot! You can't just add black to a light foundation, it doesn't really work like that! It'll make it grey and a strange colour, THATS why we need improvements in darker shades first over paler ones! And totally agree with your point James about not needing this particular product in "her shade" because she has options already!

[@SA-np5xo]

I agree with the pale lady 100%. The only match I’ve ever found is Lisa Eldridge in shade 1, even then I need a 50/50 mix of green corrector as I’m olive. A lot of progress still needs to be made for foundation brands to recognise all shades and all undertones across those shades. I don’t think there’s any harm in asking for that personally 🤷‍♀️

[@doxieowner2571]

I can relate to the pale woman who is struggling to find foundation products. I am also very pale, and I've wasted an alarming amount of money on a mountain of failed products! Too dark or too orange, it has been an aggravating issue. Actually, there's a subreddit called PaleMUA with 93,000 members who all struggle with this issue! This isn't the most important concern in my life right now, however it is something that I deal with daily and have for many years. Also, in the past 24 hours, this is the second doctor I've heard who dislikes hyaluronic acid. I'm a little shocked, tbh! As always, TFS James! 🙂

[@LokificentsLair]

John MacLaine the lightest shade series is great. They are all Mac nc10 or lighter

[@queenbey6678]

Yeah so like was mentioned a million times this isn't foundation. It's tinted mineral sunscreen and when you're as light as her you literally don't need a tint for your sunscreen

[@lynnleigha580]

That's why I gave up wearing foundation many years ago, I'm allergic to the sun so therefore I'm almost translucent and have yet to find a shade light enough

[@MrVinceMunro]

The girl with the fair skin is right, most foundations are either yellow or orange. But alot of us pale people have very cool, pinkish undertones. The white cast of a sunscreen can make you look even more pale btw, that's why we use them too, to add that pop of healthy glow back. The way I fix it is to buy a concealer or foundation closest to my skintone. So that's once rosy/cool toned one, which is still yellow compared to my skin. Then I mix it with a cool toned red/pink liqued blush on my hand to get a perfect colour match. It works perfectly! If the colour is still too warm you can add in a little bit of blue colour corrector (liquid). I know it sounds like alot of work, but once you know your personal mix a bit it's very easy. At the moment I use the NARS radiant creamy concealer in the color Vanilla (which is very greyish beige) and mix that with a spot of the NARS liquid blush Dolce Vita. I use these two because the textures mix very well.

[@millicentlopez3592]

Somebody tell Emily that humans don't come in the shade "black". I have never seen or met a "black skinned person" - we're all shades of *brown and beige* babe

[@cur1ouscatf1sh]

I’m super pale (made worse by being a little obsessive about sun protection because I have a family history of melanoma) so I have some of the same struggles, but you know what I do if a product doesn’t come in my shade? I go “aw, bummer” and look at a different product. Not every brand makes shades that look good on me, and that’s just how it goes. It sucks, but it’s not the same thing as brands not making darker shades, because there’s a difference between limiting the number of shades so you don’t have to produce as many versus cutting out an entire large group of potential customers by having your darkest shade be medium beige

[@strawberrysena]

the only concealer i've found that's light enough for me at sephora is huda beauty's in the shade WHIPPED CREAM 😭i wish that at least some brands would do some lighter shades but i agree with your take on fenty, not every brand has to cater to fair skinned people - the fenty foundation and concealers go super pale, not every product they release has to cater to super pale shades especially since it's an spf tint. i can slap on a mineral sunscreen with the most intense white cast and it will match me 💀

[@irengeere3274]

i agree with the woman as someone with pale skin with a cool undertone, almost all shades aren't light enough, too warm or oxidise to a yellow tone

[@ungoth]

I've been searching for over 10 years for a foundation shade that isn't too dark for me. The closest I've found is in estee lauder double wear, and also there's a judydoll cushion I have that is ALMOST light enough. I recommend both to those out there also searching.

[@cherylseagraves3884]

I feel like black owned brands are so much better at including all skin tones than any others because they actually account for undertones. I’m super pale and cool toned and Juvia’s place is still one of my best matches.

[@rosepond7178]

I get the lack of the lightest foundation/spf colour. Inclusivity is inclusivity both ways, not one way. The same issue I face in fashion. Brands accommodate to plus size, but not many include petite or size 0 or 4, even 6 is not very common.

[@Autumn567]

Her shade is zinc? Are you serious? So she’s supposed to look like a ghost in photos?

[@antisocialsocialite5046]

That girl came across a little annoying but the struggle to find a match for us very pale girlies is REAL

[@babaganouche9605]

I have to agree about the zinc oxide being the shade. I am very fair and I find tinted sunscreen is usually too orange or peach. White cast just isn't something that I struggle with (with a well formulated sunscreen).

[@Cassia_kamm]

Her point in that video is that the makeup was marketed to her as well. If you want to make a line of makeup that is exclusively catering to people of color, that's fine. But to say that Fenty is a brand that is inclusive to all is clearly not true here. I can remember never being able to find concealer that wasn't orange when I first started buying makeup (in my 20s). The only brand that has ever been an absolute color match is La Mer. It's expensive AF, but it is exactly my skin color.

[@raincandy3]

I really hope that there will be more cool yellow undertones. I have a fair cool olive undertone and there was just 1 shade that was the perfect match for me. And now it's discontinued. The thing is, this undertone isn't even rare. There are so many of us. I just want more olive undertones...

[@DanielaMiszezun]

In Argentina it's been a struggle to me to find a tinted anything light enough. Unfortunately, my country is not inclusive whatsoever, although some brands started to doing it, but it's not enough (there are some inconsistencies within the same brands for different launches). I wanted to create awareness in my country that pale and darker skin exist, but only get, as a reply, "we will consider that for future launches" (waiting for one since 2016, with some requesting afterwards, without any visible action). So I feel this girl.

[@MeggyPeggy5]

Another great line: "Challenge your skin... whatever the fuck that means" 🤣

[@JamesWelsh]

I meaaaannnn…what was he on about 😂

[@claireeyles7560]

OMG i can't believed I missed a video! Bad on me. LOL on the Zinc comments, because I do literally use a 'paint for the face' (that's what it's called) made with titanium dioxide as part of my foundation routine. The whole issue with foundations not catering for very fair skin is definitely one I can relate to, and yes it is very frustrating when companies do offer a wider range of 'fairer' shades and then they don't end up selling that well. My question then would be, "If the product is actually good, and works well for fairer skinned people, then why aren't they a beauty staple in ever pale skinned girl's makeup bag?" And for me I do think a lot of it is cultural and modern societal pressures/ideals around what is supposedly a 'desirable' skin tone. Especially having grown up in Australia with the whole mythologised BS of the 'bronzed aussie' look in the 70s and 80s especially, I've still noticed that even today when it's at least more acceptable to not look like a rotisserie chicken, there is still this limited skin shade range that is considered 'attractive'. If you go too dark on the spectrum then it's hello instituitionalised racism and all of the absolute wrongs that go with that; if you go too fair on the spectrum then people suddenly think they have the right to walk up to you and say things like, "OMG, you're so pale, that's gross, you should try and get some colour". That's the thing in some cultures, on the one hand people will give lip service to the idea that you should embrace your natural shade of skin tone, but if you're skin tone is pale then you're not supposed to actually seem like you're embracing your natural skin shade. Like whatever you do don't just boldly walk into a store and pick up a shade of foundation that is actually pale enough to match your skin tone; oh no, that would indicate you actually like being that pale. Instead what your meant to do is waste money on bronzers, and makeup shades that will give you that 'natural looking glow', even if your shade is glow in the dark white and bronzer anything makes you look like a clown, and maybe try a fake tan just to see how ridiculous that looks on you as well; and only then can you walk into a makeup store and discreetly mutter to a salesperson that you'd like to buy 'shade that actually matches my pale arse skin' foundation and then sneak out of the shop like you've just committed a cardinal skin of not being 'acceptable' to societies' beauty standards. Just personally I don't do that myself, and haven't since at least 1983, but I also know the amount of flack and insults I've gotten over the years for being 'le gasp' fairer skinned than is deemed "acceptable", and I know a lot of pale skin folks that do end up caving into societal pressures to try and make themselves look anything other than someone who is wholly and fully embracing of their actual shade of skin tone. It's a metric eff tonne of BS and until we finally stop trying to fit people into limited molds of beauty 'ideals' then unfortunately brands who release more fair skinned inclusive brands are going to end up not doing that well in the long run. Thanks for coming to Ted Talk.

[@Seiko__o-]

She absolutely has a right to complain and feel excluded when it comes to shades of makeup. I’m half Asian and even I can’t find foundation light enough for me, it makes me look orange. Recently everything seems to cater for a specific group of people and claims to be ‘inclusive’. It’s not inclusive if you’re still excluding a large group of people. I’m sick of the sensitivity in makeup when it comes to darker skinned people, they don’t need special treatment. We need shades for everyone, her disappointment is absolutely valid.

[@ChloeEIizabethPrice]

I'm my decades on this earth I have not ONCE found a shade that dosen’t turn me into a fucking oompa loompa

[@BATOOST]

With the Fenty Skin debacle, I 100% understand her struggle, but I don't appreciate her angle. I have incredibly pale skin (I would actually say I'm probably a bit lighter than her) and finding sheer products is especially hard. I would also push back on "her shade is zinc". Trust me: my shade is not zinc. I have a lot of redness in my face that is not on my body (thanks rosacea) and if I put a sunscreen that has a real white cast on my skin, I look RIDICULOUS. Like I just washed off face paint. Something with a light enough tint would help to counteract some of that redness would be nice in a sunscreen. I have yet to find this product light enough for myself. However, there are still A LOT of products that can and do work enough for me. Far more than what is given to people with darker skintones. I also believe there is an sort of a link between this kind of exclusion and the tanning industry. Pushing a certain form of beauty is to foster insecurity and sell more product (ie tanning). But all this said, I feel that what is darker skins face is actually a total dehumanisation and erasure within the industry. It told white people we have to be more tan, and told POC they have to be white... One of these things is not like the other... TLDR I understand her struggle, but I think this just further shows that people don't quite grasp WHERE this exclusions in the beauty industry come from, and how to respectfully talk about both.

[@Darkbillhook]

I’m very pale (too pale to wear foundation) and I can’t wear mineral sunscreen without adding bronzing drops to it because even on me it leaves a white cast - at least it does if you use the correct amount of sunscreen. No one is pure white - “zinc oxide coloured” …seriously wtf 🙄

[@Googlymoogly-m8i]

I did a lot of research online for years to get appropriate makeup shades for my see through skin. Was told korean make up so bought the palest shade and ... it was too dark. Ive just lived with the orange line around my neck and face. But! I can use those white heavy powders to try and even it out!

[@bethv.1104]

okay Im going to start to use the phrase: Your shade is Zinc. Cause that ish is so funny😂😂

[@mipsan]

I've had the same trouble finding a pale enough shade without it being too yellow. I'm the shade of a neutral ghost.

[@clarabear501]

18:12 my dad is currently working with an American based skin care company, so he was telling me about their formulas and said they have found that reducing retinol % in serums actually boosted the long term benefits. I had been using Neutrogena’s Retinol Regenerating Cream with a retinol percentage of 0.5% and after a week of clear skin I started to break out. He got me their retinol (0.2%) and niacinamide (5%) combo. After three days on the new serum I cleared up, and stayed that way. I use it daily now and the lower amount of retinol really is wonderful. Bigger isn’t better! Less is more!

[@LynnUX]

ohmygoodness. i am absolutely with this very eloquent lady. we have legit the same skin tone and shes not lying yall...i have yet to find a foundation that actually matches. I have a nars concealer thats pretty good but yeah, she aint lyin yall ive given up on finding a foudation T^T

[@JamesWelsh]

She’s absolutely right when it comes to complexion

[@aesinam]

She is right about foundation shades but why is she going on about the tinted sunscreen? That was made so those with melanin can also use the Fenty mineral sunscreen without the white caste

[@CreamyJalapeno]

excellent video. I've really been enjoying your takes and find that we agree on most things.

[@osteophagus]

I feel the pale girl, as someone with rosacea/acne prone skin I have spent most of my adult life having to choose between no makeup and feeling awful about my appearance or wearing makeup that's too dark and/or yellow and getting to feel awful for different reasons. I've been happy since Korean makeup came over, I've finally been able to find cooler toned pale makeup I can use, but that whole new market opening up is still only helping pale folks. Those brands don't generally make deep tones. We deserve inclusion too, and I agree a brand can't advertise as *fully* inclusive if they're not catering to the *whole* range of skin tones, so I get her frustration there and I don't think she should be dragged for voicing that frustration, but honestly I'm not bothered as the selection for dark shades is still Not Good. There's a lot of brands that technically have darker shades but the undertones are all wrong so while they're *technically* out there, people of those dark skin tones still can't use them without looking like an overcooked carrot or a week-old corpse. And I think that would make me feel worse than any slightly dark/yellow shade has ever made me feel. Those of us who are very pale can also do things like mixing white into foundations to help a bit. Heavily melanated people can't just mix in black.

[@SparklingRutabaga]

I’ve been challenging my skin my entire life…@ 42 I can confidently say, it has done NO favors for my skin!

[@JeanPaulBeaubier]

"Her shade is zinc, because she's white" made me laugh so unexpectedly