Misinformation On Shotgun Ammo

[@Crangaso]

God Bless James & The Tactical Response family!!

[@davidpresson26]

Fighting Shotgun is one of the most useful classed I’ve taken. Thanks Tim

[@BStanks]

I was dispatched to a guy that took a load of birdshot to the chest once. At the hospital, he was so un-harmed that when the doctor told him he had a bb in his intestines that would have to be surgically removed, he asked if he could just wait and shit the bb out. Use buck or slugs my friends.

[@lukeycoight87]

Hilarious

[@kaptainkoffee5504]

Go watch Garand Thumb's shotgun tests. Birdshot will DESTROY a skull at 7 yards. getting shot with birdshot is no joke. That fellow either got lucky, or was lying his ass off.

[@ihcterra4625]

Range matters. Which is why some people suggest bird shot. It limits over penetration.

[@Isaac_5.56x45]

We all know that dragons breath is what the real pros use.

[@Rezolution01]

They alternate rounds... Dragons breath, bolo, flechettes.

[@Meatwad.Baggins]

I'm old school when it comes to home defense but I always use dragons breath for gas station defense

[@toddk1377]

I've shot those dragons breath rounds before. Same with the other exotic rounds. Trash and gimmick if you ask me, stick to what works, buckshot.

[@Isaac_5.56x45]

@@toddk1377 I know, it is a running joke on here.

[@toddk1377]

@@Isaac_5.56x45 Oh shit, lol, I guess I should pay more attention!🤷

[@unclegene5372]

Spot on about birdshot. It’s for birds. suspects coming into your home knowing you are there are bad bad guys and are probably under the influence of something. They deserve the proper greeting and that is 00

[@unclegene5372]

Adding I’ve seen footage of a subject guy shot with birdshot he was on the ground but totally conscious and more than able to fire a weapon and attack.

[@toddk1377]

@@unclegene5372 I agree. 00 or #4 buck both will make a threat take the room temperature challenge. Birdshot is always an excuse for fear of over penetration through walls and such. They need to realize if it can kill, it will go through a wall! Plus if they are under the influence, there's multiple videos online that show these people take numerous rounds center mass and keep going, that is until there's a shot that hits the nervous system or they bleed out and die.

[@unclegene5372]

@@toddk1377 totally agree. Anyone coming into my home will be met with unprecedented violence and savagery. I firmly believe inside of fifty yards and not being belt fed, a pump or auto shotgun is the best bad guy nitey nite device to be had.

[@toddk1377]

@@unclegene5372 Yup. I wouldn't feel undergunned with an AR either, but any home defense shotgun should be set up appropriately to keep those hungry beasts fed, lol.

[@ihcterra4625]

@@unclegene5372 Yes, range matters. Your comment is proof that if you want to limit the range your shot is deadly, birdshot can do that effectively. I have been hit by birdshot from long range and it does nothing. Didn't even leave a red mark on bare skin. However, if you are from home defense range, it is a completely different story. It also depends on what kind of birdshot. Target loads are not the same as an upland game load. The payload, shot size and wad design can change the range where birdshot is deadly. You also have several factors in the shotgun that effect the shot pattern and energy of a shot column. Like the forcing cone, choke and length. Changing the 1 inch per yard spread to far less. In the right gun, with the right load, and the right range, birdshot will also remove a chunk of shit from your opponent and throw it on the ground.

[@johnkruer7557]

Tim... Thanks for your shotgun wisdom.

[@jeffreylebeau8006]

Thank you Tim for your information about what to use for shot gun ammo. I’m planning on getting a shotgun for home defense and I wasn’t sure what to use.

[@firestorm8471]

As someone who has taken a shot of 12 ga Birdshot to my right side,, I can say that it hurts like hell. But it did not prevent me from shooting the guy who did it.. I personally prefer a 20 ga and it was loaded with #2 buck...But I must add,, Had that lod of birdshot been a Turkey Load, I would not be here typing this.

[@jordanrichards4199]

hope all is well, everyone have a wonderful Easter weekend 🇺🇸

[@ihcterra4625]

The effectiveness of birdshot depends on a lot of factors. From inside home defense range the shot will still be in the wad. Bird shot starts at really weak and goes up to fairly powerful. Most people talking about birdshot for defense use #8 target loads. 1 oz of #8 shot going barely 1000 ft/sec. For upland game or waterfowl, the ranges you are shooting at much longer ranges, so they are usually designed to have a tighter pattern. The 1in per yard is not accurate.

[@jaygibson5057]

Tim has been reading up on this.

[@anthonyramkissoon4629]

I personally use dragons breath for home defense, because if I miss the bad guy at least I'll burn down the house so he can't rob me.😂😂

[@pappamike6231]

Tim, Great commentary. You sound almost verbatim as my explanation of shotgun round use for self defense and harvesting game when I discuss it with family and friends.

[@ThePatriotParadox]

People are crazy, the only thing I would use no. 6-4 bird shot for is during turkey season here in Georgia... Like now.. lol but I got my bow and some razor sharp broad heads too!

[@STANDupPhilosopher73]

Good information, thank you!

[@ronaldwilson3503]

There's some good videos on bird shot penetration out there that show how bad it sucks. I like 00 and personally wouldn't use anything less than #4 buck for home defense. That's only based on what I've seen used on white tailed deer. I've personally never used less than #1 buck for deer.

[@ihcterra4625]

There are quite a few that also show the right birdshot from the right range will turn a head into a canoe rack. Most of the birdshot sucks videos use #8 target loads from a cylinder bore from 20 yards. The don't use flight control upland game plated #4 from 7 yards for a reason.

[@toddk1377]

This is some good info. I can concur with what he said as I've seen the same all over the internet. Most people use over penetration as their excuse for birdshot. My question is, when does over penetration become a bigger concern than lethality or stopping ability? It should be a concern, but imo, it should be further down the list below the lethality or stopping capabilities. That's why I use #4 buck. Less over penetration but still very lethal and is very capable of stopping a threat when placed center mass. I do agree that it's very important to pattern the shot. Substitute the pattern difference on that load with a choke if you cannot get another load to use. Otherwise, you want the cylinder or improved cylinder bore choke for pattern expansion on buckshot for defensive purposes. I have had a few loads that pattern well, such as Federal #4 buck 2.75" 27 pellet and Remington 2.75" 00 9 pellet loads, using the same shotgun, same barrel, same choke.

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

We have classes.

[@hammer9390]

Tim, great video. Good information.

[@BrewCityRider]

💯% There is a good reason we carry 00buck and slugs in our cruisers.

[@twiggybones7040]

Pattern every year and a half. Have some fun doing it. Paper pie plate sized pattern seems like what you want at roughly 10 yards or so.

[@FPSMurdock]

Thanks for the knowledge bomb! Fantastic vid 👍

[@mattshackelford6624]

Great info as always! Thank you!

[@juantwo3]

Great video and information! Thanks guys

[@joeprewitt2539]

Excellent video, thanks guys.

[@Hamish_Whitehaven]

#1 is also very effective imo but i would not use any higher number for SD

[@josephroach711]

I am saddened anyone would believe that bird shot is anything but for small birds.

[@TheFonzo420]

What about cut shells?? Would they be any good? Not asking if they're better but in a pinch of nothing else is on hand would they perform better then regular bird shot?

[@fatheroftheclyde]

Good luck getting them to cycle. Hint: they won’t.

[@TheFonzo420]

But will it work? Single shot.

[@toddk1377]

It's a one and done kinda thing, but in a pinch, it might work. However getting slugs or buckshot is not hard.

[@bpfinlay]

Solid info, thank you.

[@buckshotscott2616]

Kayla with the General Rule Salute, well played!

[@FeelingTactical]

Who knew Tim actually has some knowledge on something other than hookers!? Jk love ya Tim

[@williamrobbins5773]

Miss seeing James on the daily, however Kayla is doing very well.

[@josephroach711]

It is kind of cool how when you see a good person and their children are good people. It gives me hope for the future. I am personally trying to out breed the opposition.

[@modern-daypioneer2179]

What about something like a 4 shot or a turkey load? I'm just curious

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

Watch the video.

[@gordo608]

How much is Tim making off of that Dr. Pepper sponsorship?

[@homeydirt2278]

She was great!

[@akclay762]

How do you feel about #1 Buck?

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

Answered in the video.

[@akclay762]

@@TacticalResponseCrew Copy, I must have missed that part. I’ll go back and rewatch. Thanks for the response.

[@abigailnumber2]

Timmaayy!

[@luckykhouphongsy59]

My home defense 500 smith and wesson

[@Hamish_Whitehaven]

this i use after i shot 8 rounds of Shotgun...

[@jonnunez1697]

Algorithm buster

[@robertpickardjr9239]

I like to candycane #1 and #4 buck ( I have 6 people in the house with me)

[@Crow-cb6yx]

I’ve used 00 buckshot for 45years can’t beat it. Thinking of looking at the mini shotgun buckshot loads. 🙏🇺🇸🪖

[@TacticalResponseCrew]

Don't bother.

[@toddk1377]

Paul Harrell had a demonstration on those. They were not impressive by any means. Better off training to keep that shotty fed and accurate fire down range.