“Janet Jackson Album Was All Prince Grooves from Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis”

[@kcoolmuziq]

I would have actually liked to hear Janet(whom I worked with) sing “Nasty Girl”. It would have totally changed her image then. Although she later started exploring her sexuality more later.

[@chriscraven95]

Janet Jackson was still in her late teens, when that song came out. There's no way she was going to singing that, at that point in her life.

[@kcoolmuziq]

@@chriscraven95 I agree Janet(whom I’ve encountered) grew with each album she put out. She’s the rare artist that mirrored her actuality.

[@RJNumber45]

Prince would play "What Have You Done For Me Lately?" during some of his shows, and taunt the crowd, saying: "who wrote that?"..." i bet yall dont know who wrote that ".... now it all makes sense...that song DEFINITELY sounds like a Prince joint...even the way Janet sings the lyrics sounds like Prince

[@jsutigers8954]

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[@CharlesWarrenOnline]

Prince was bitter that they found success after working with him. He was petty and a shady queen. He didn’t actually write What Have You Done For Me Lately.

[@kcoolmuziq]

@@CharlesWarrenOnline I remember when I FIRST heard WHYDFML I thought right away it was a Prince song .

[@blkicestorm6981]

@@CharlesWarrenOnline Thank you that’s exactly what I said Prince, was being shady AF, If Prince actually wrote it there’s no way he would not have taken credit for it we all know he didn’t play about his money. He would’ve sued the shit out of Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis and Janet.

[@DanieleBrunengo]

@@CharlesWarrenOnline He was petty sometimes, and a wonderful guy other times, just like all of us humans. Still a total genius, though.

[@endokuken1678]

They all came from the same area and worked together, who's to say they weren't all influenced by each other. We all know Prince is was a musical genius, but so are Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, their track records speaks for itself.

[@HaileyJackson10]

Janet Jackson is a legend I wish people would stop trying to discredit everything she’s done she literally influenced generations of artists is the blueprint for all female artists she’s the reason for the creation of KZbin and Netflix she created genres made music videos what they are today for female artists made dancing what it is today along side her brother Michael she’s won more legend and icon awards than anyone else other than Michael Janet’s velvet rope album paved the way for pop and r&b albums and rhythm nation paved the way for social rights issues in songs and music videos and this is only a tiny portion of her achievements it’s goes on forever also keep in mind prince always covered Janet’s music and Whitney also covered Janet before but you never saw Janet covering them proving she inspires everyone including prince and Whitney who covered her music

[@PaulLoughrin]

Very cool. Just goes to show, that Prince was "the man"!

[@lolamann4705]

Except Nasty Girl came out in 1982. Maybe she was going to cover it, but Prince did not give it later to Vanity bc Vanity had already sang it.

[@minneapolissound]

You need to stop they had their own style

[@sampson3121]

Actually they didn't. They had the Minneapolis sound and Prince created it. The keys and overall writing style is all prince. He was their mentor.

[@minneapolissound]

You can’t discredit what jam n lewis has done for the industry

[@sampson3121]

@@minneapolissound I'm am not talking about their whole career. Even they would tell you that Prince created that sound. Sorry the truth hurts. Prince Even wrote What Have You Done For Me Lately for Jimmy and Lewis for their album and they changed the lyrics but kept the grove and put it on Janet's album cause she heard it and wanted to use it. Here kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJbSn3l3iKyrkJY

[@gfanarakos]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/roKwimqtd5xrfKc its the start for rythm nation album ...Listen this and its the stafrt of Miss you much or escapade beat or guitar solo of blck cat. If you dont you are simply deaf

[@johnyates7262]

I am a musician myself. On the song "When I Think of You" (released in 1986 Control album) the base line is very similar to the Prince song " Cream" ( released in 1991) on the Diamonds and Pearls album. Two things I could always hear the "Minneapolis sound" influence on that record. Second, Prince was known to stockpile songs for years before utilizing them. Who knows? A lot of very talented people. Thank you. John Yates

[@tonysmith9930]

I'm a musician too. Stop that.

[@johnyates7262]

@@tonysmith9930 Hello. Were you referring to me, when you said stop that? If so, please elaborate. John Yates

[@purplerainmylove]

Ima musician too, but “cream” and “when i think of you” is very different…maybe you’ll give some time code?

[@johnyates7262]

@@purplerainmylove Hello. I don't read. Self taught. Think of "Cream" bass line starting at the chorus. Now the bass line of "When I Think of You" . I am sorry l did not clarify this earlier. Going to fix breakfast, eat and go into the studio. Keep playing and enjoy. Thank you for corresponding with me. John Yates

[@purplerainmylove]

@@johnyates7262 thanks for answering 😊

[@terellgreen]

I’m confused as h*ll. “Nasty Girl” by Vanity 6 was released in 1982. How could that song had been for Janet Jackson’s “Control” when the Control album was released in 1986. The “Control” album wasn’t even a thought let alone a vision in 1982 when “Nasty Girl” was released. Also, in 1982 when Janet released her first album simply titled “Janet Jackson.” She was under the management of Joe Jackson. Janet had no musical ties to Prince. Joe Jackson didn’t even like Prince music. Do Peggy not realize that “Nasty Girl” was released in 1982. I don’t understand how Peggy is trying to make that story work. I believe Peggy is confusing herself. There was a article written a few years ago of songs that were originally written for artist, but was turned down and given to another and “Nasty Girl” was no where in that list lol!

[@tonysmith9930]

I heard the song was "meant" for Janet, but it might not have been for the Control album. This wasn't her first album; she had 2 others before Control.

[@TheFantasyClinic]

Notice Peggy only talks about meeting Janet but doesn't specify that it was during the Control era, what i'm understanding is she met her during the production of Janet's 1982 self titled album...

[@asage5801]

It seems that all engineers throw shade cause they didn’t get the recognition they think they deserve…they didn’t write nothing, they didn’t sweat through stage shows, they didnt make the money or run the business. They should just take their hourly paycheck and STFU

[@DaiyaanWinston]

David essentially confirmed what Prince himself, declared in his own shady way. Everyone mentions the Tokyo 1990 show when Prince infamously says, “who wrote that?!” going into what have you done for me lately. You don’t often hear mentioned the 1986 1st Avenue show, when Prince goes into the vamp for Christopher Tracy‘s parade and announces on the microphone “Jimmy jam, I don’t wanna hear this on your record.”

[@dcride36]

Okay, here's the truth (I respectfully disagree with David Z). Terry and Jimmy used to same LINN Drum machine Prince used on most of his albums to produce Janet Jackson's "Control" album. That does not mean they took his licks. Any similarity on grooves or sound is purely coincidental and due to Jimmy and Terry trying to keep the integrity of the Minneapolis sound in their music. Also, for those that do not know, Michael Jackson used the LINN drum on his "Thriller" album -- one year before Prince used it to produce "1999." Hence, their will always be similarity in sound if you use the same LINN drum programming and synthesizer. David Z suggesting that Jam and Lewis somehow ripped off Prince's tracks is totally false, since dozens of music artists, to include Michael Jackson, have used that same LINN drum and similar synthesizers to record their music.

[@_2LiveQ]

I call BS 1:when they met with Janet her father specifically told them one of the things they didnt want is for her to sound anything like Prince 2:the story I’ve always heard is when they finished Control Prince drove by and actually threw the album out the window and Nasty comes from a night out with Janet and guys were trying to aggressively come onto her and saying some really nasty things and she didn’t like it

[@jknorratl]

Not sure I can agree with the statement they stole licks from Prince. I have played keys since the Control album came out. Outside of using a square wave synth sound (common patch on most synths these days) there isn't a "lick" I would say is the same as Prince. In fact, most of the Control album was Mirage factory samples. Of course there is comparison because they come from the same camp, but to say they stole licks seems excessive

[@sampson3121]

They did. Prince even referenced control and other song live as his band played it and he would say "do you know who wrote this?" Look it up online, it's not hard to find. I also play music and can here the same licks lol

[@billyjohn7846]

they're not talking about Nasty. They got the timelines mixed up i think

[@jsutigers8954]

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[@blkicestorm6981]

@@sampson3121 That was prince ass being shady He said it sound like something he would’ve wrote. Best believe If prince wrote it he would’ve sued Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis so I called bullshit on Prince writing it..

[@sampson3121]

@@blkicestorm6981 He gave them the song to do with it what they wanted. Janet said she wanted to do it but wanted to change the lyrics. They didn't steal it. He has given many songs away without asking for credit. You would know this if you were a Prince fan. When he says do you know who wrote this? What do you think he's saying exactly? When a producer for both bands says the licks were Princes, I am guessing he knows more about it than you. Take care

[@seanclancy918]

Little revenge on Prince for firing them it seems. Love hearing these stories Sunset Sound

[@tonysmith9930]

I'm glad he fired them. Look at the SOS band.

[@ezekielmajor5511]

Jimmy and Terry are extremely talented on their own, and their discography proves it. If they did use a little Prince influence, so what. What artist hasn't used a little influence from someone else.

[@asage5801]

I don’t believe this. Jimmy J and Terry had a signature sound and attitude in the late 80s and this was it; from Sos band to Janet to the Human League, Cherelle and Alexander O’Neal. Go check it out for yourself … these people are lying.

[@tonysmith9930]

They are stretching it. Also, they seem to believe that the reverse could be true -- that Jimmy and Terry influenced Prince. LOL

[@Phoenix-616]

I agree. The first time I heard Janet’s control album I immediately thought of Alexander O’Neal and Cherelle even before I knew Jimmy and Terry worked with them. Prince, Jimmy, and Terry are from the same genre but they clearly have different takes on the Minneapolis sound.

[@MrEXtraRaw]

*Brown Mark, Jesse, Andre and others said Prince borrowed from them before also. They're all from that same camp, they've written and jammed together so, you can't say that's the case. If you take a song like Nasty, this doesn't sound like a Prince song at all so, somebody's throwing some hate and somebody needs to rethink the Nasty Girl story. 😆*

[@BoosterGoldEarth6]

Please dont mention BrownMark dude always lying. The other two are mich more legitimate

[@tisbonus]

Monte Moir is responsible for two of, IMO, the best songs on that record. Including the title track.

[@letmeadow4729]

titles?

[@tisbonus]

@@letmeadow4729 ...and I believe the Pleasure Principle.

[@chasemcdonald4073]

Pleasure Principle is the only song off the album that I still listen to still today, just an amazing synthesizer and arrangement

[@MrEXtraRaw]

Monte is only responsible for Pleasure Principle as the writer. Janet & S. Wiese co-produced it with him The title track was written by Jam, Lewis, & Janet. Produced by J&L. So now change what the best songs are IYO.

[@tisbonus]

@@MrEXtraRaw Anybody that can read is able to give the Wikipedia response. He may not have a credit on that song but Monte is responsible for a lot of success that Jam and Lewis garnered after being fired by Prince. Check him on that Wiki jr. and you'll see what I'm talking about. A lot of it is stated right there on his page, but it's not everything. Songs credits are a gangsters game.

[@jermainelandrum6768]

Control and Rhythm Nation is just the Minneapolis sound. Did Prince create, perfect it, perhaps, and influence others, but I believe that was just the style and flavor of all of the musicians that came out of there during that time. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis’ work with the SOS band is some of the most jamminest jams ever. Either it is the sound and era in time in music that cannot be matched by musicians from the same Hometown. The closest in modern times is Timbaland and The Neptunes. Just my imo

[@Twobarpsi]

Excellent music!

[@randyonbass1]

I think she meant "Nasty" (on the Control album) not "Nasty Girl". Janet sings.. "Do you think I'm a nasty girl".

[@zroy9263]

I believe Janet Jackson's first album was released in 1982 possibly. So I'm not sure where the Nasty Girl cover comes into play, since the VANITY 6 album came out the same year. Although, a remake of the song for the CONTROL album may have worked. But, I don't see it. Did Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis rip off PRINCE's sound for the CONTROL album in 1986? Hard to say. All of these cats were brilliant in their own right! Back in the day, I never thought of their work and sound as being a PRINCE bight. I thought that they were legitimately funky! There were plenty of excellent bands coming out of Minneapolis during the 1970s thru the 1980s. I highly recommend the compilation called PURPLE SNOW. It highlights the Minneapolis sound during that period. PRINCE wasn't the ONLY bad muthafucka to come out of that scene. He was THE baddest however!

[@avace917]

In terms of the sound, it's the chords they using more than anything. Listen to What Have You Done For Me Lately and then listen to Prince's Sexy Dancer. Just the chords, nothing else. Nasty, Janet's song, definitely borrows from DMSR.

[@letmeadow4729]

Amazing story!!! We forget most Pop stars don't even write songs

[@CharlesWarrenOnline]

You obviously don’t know shit, because Janet Jackson is a songwriter.

[@jsutigers8954]

@@CharlesWarrenOnline Prince invented the Beat....he gave it to Jam & Lewis....

[@steviodinero6096]

Nasty by Janet and Nasty Girl by Vanity 6 are two different sounding songs. Vanity 6 song came out years before Janet's Control album. Please check your facts before posting that prince gave Janet's song to Vanity 6. Vanity left the group well before Control was released.

[@blueser100]

Well no kidding. I heard somewhere that Jam and Lewis were associated with Prince. 😂

[@billyjohn7846]

they were because of The Time. Morris Day was a good friend of Prince

[@nicksimon7364]

It’s easy to say now bcz we are looking back from this period - no joke tho when radio started playing “what have you done for me lately”- I full stop thought it was Prince or Prince related

[@lsalas9502]

Nah this interview makes NO SENSE. Maybe their memory is shot BUT Nasty Girls was released in 1982. Janet had not even recorded her FIRST album, let alone her 3rd. Wasn’t even working w JJ & TL at that point. Was she going to cover it ?

[@paulswann7788]

Agreed. I saw Vanity 6 in Chapel Hill my junior year at UNC in 1982. In 1984 I was a deejay playing songs from Janet's first album on the radio...two full years after NASTY GIRL.

[@brucekentnyc]

You are correct. When i heard her say that i was like NO NO NO way. However i do know that Prince wrote Escapades but took no credit at all. It sounds almost like Manic Monday.

[@bravenstrong]

Two different songs. Janet's song was called Nasty. It was released in 1986.

[@tisbonus]

@@bravenstrong Correct!! That's "Miss Jackson if you're nasty".

[@honeyc]

Thanks L Salas for putting the common in the sense.

[@tonysmith9930]

Janet wasn't their first act, however. The SOS band doesn't sound anything like Prince. Maybe Take Your Time Do It Right - but those ballads (which are better in my opinion) are their own. Weekend Girl, etc., were the best songs. Also, you should hear what they said about Prince when they were recently inducted into the RR Hall of Fame. They said he told them to add some whack material to a song they were working on and that it would have tanked the song.

[@abriana3121]

Chill😂💜

[@beyourself2444]

Everyone kinda knows this, it’s the Minneapolis sound…

[@tysonb3568]

As well they should have after Prince fired them! Lol 🤣